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August 25, 2025
Ukraine – Zelenski Rejects Giving Land As Fascists Promise To Kill Him

The (former) President Zelenski of Ukraine is refusing any compromise in negotiations with Russia. He would be killed and replaced by a more right wing figure if he would consider otherwise.

In a speech on Sunday marking Ukraine's independence Zelenski insisted of recapturing all of Ukraine including Crimea.

As the Washington Post summarizes (archived):

In Kyiv on Sunday, Ukraine’s Independence Day, Zelensky addressed the nation and vowed to restore its territorial integrity.

“Ukraine will never again be forced in history to endure the shame that the Russians call a ‘compromise,’” he said. “We need a just peace.”

He listed some of the regions occupied by Russia — including Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea — and said “no temporary occupation” could change the fact that the land belongs to Ukraine.

Zelenski thus rejects calls by U.S. President Trump to give up Ukrainian territory in exchange for peace.

One reason why he does so may be the personal danger he is in. Any compromise about territory may well cost his life.

The London Times continues to make propaganda for Nazis. After a recent whitewashing interview with Azov Nazi leader Biletsky (archived) it yesterday published an interview with the former leader of the fascist Right Sector in Odessa Serhii Sterneneko.

‘Russia has repeatedly tried to kill me — I must be doing something right’ (archived)

Sterneneko had a leading role in the 2014 massacres in Maidan Square and at the Trade Union's House in Odessa. The Times is whitewashing his participation in those events. It does not mind to publish his threats against Zelenski:

[A]mong Ukraine’s younger generation of soldiers and civilians, Sternenko’s brand of truth to power has wide popularity. “I say what I think, and people like what I say.”

His views on President Putin’s demand for Ukraine to cede the territory it defends in the eastern Donbas region as a precondition for possible peace are typically direct. “If [President] Zelensky were to give any unconquered land away, he would be a corpse — politically, and then for real,” Sternenko said. “It would be a bomb under our sovereignty. People would never accept it.”

Sternenko, who himself has avoided the draft, wants the war to go on forever:

Indeed, as he discussed Russian intransigence and President Trump’s efforts to end the war, Sternenko’s thoughts on the possibility of peace appeared to be absent of any compromise over Ukrainian soil.

“At the end there will only be one victor, Russia or Ukraine,” he said. “If the Russian empire continues to exist in this present form then it will always want to expand. Compromise is impossible. The struggle will be eternal until the moment Russia leaves Ukrainian land.”

Other British media continue to promote the rise of Nazi affiliated figures in Ukraine. The Guardian adds by promoting the presidential campaign of the former Ukrainian general and now ambassador to the UK Valeri Zaluzhny:

In private conversations, Zaluzhnyi has not confirmed he plans to go into politics, but he has allowed himself to speculate on what kind of platform he could propose if he does make the decision. Those close to him say he sees Israel as a model, despite its current bloody actions in Gaza, viewing it as a small country surrounded by enemies and fully focused on defence.

He would style himself as a tough, wartime leader who would promise “blood, sweat and tears” to the Ukrainian people in return for saving the nation, channelling Winston Churchill. In one private conversation, he said: “I don’t know if the Ukrainian people will be ready for that, ready for these tough policies.”

A day before being fired as the commander of the Ukrainian army Zaluzhny took a selfie with the leader of the fascist Right Sector and commander of Right Sector brigade of Ukrainian military in front of a portrait of Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera and the fascist OUN flag.


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The picture was already part of his campaign to become the leader of a Bandera-ized Ukraine.

It seems that the British deep-state does its best to support him in that.

Comments

Posted by: Spiridon | Aug 26 2025 11:44 utc | 200
Best post I have read today-thanks

Posted by: canuk | Aug 26 2025 11:57 utc | 201

after all:
Z must go. If he refuse to go, someone will kill him. May be by one of those Banderista, or by a drone/rocket, hitting his “Wolfsschanze”.
The Urps are doomed in nearly any way. Any attempt to prolounge the war will fail and if they try with dirty tricks, they will suffer the defeat much stronger because NOBODY in the world is at Urps`s side. No one will help. No white knight – nothing but totally defeat what means that the WEF / EU / 4.Reich / and of course Soros will be erased. That`s good news. Go on…

Posted by: ableman | Aug 26 2025 12:03 utc | 202

after all:
Z must go. If he refuse to go, someone will kill him. May be by one of those Banderista, or by a drone/rocket, hitting his “Wolfsschanze”.
The Urps are doomed in nearly any way. Any attempt to prolounge the war will fail and if they try with dirty tricks, they will suffer the defeat much stronger because NOBODY in the world is at Urps`s side. No one will help. No white knight – nothing but totally defeat what means that the WEF / EU / 4.Reich / and of course Soros will be erased. That`s good news. Go on…

Posted by: ableman | Aug 26 2025 12:04 utc | 203

Funniest news item I’ve seen in a long time time;
Putin paid $250,000 in US cash in a fkn suitcase for fuel to fill up his 3 planes on turnaround in Alaska. LMAO. This was necessary due to all the US sanctions upon all Russian banks, transfer methods, credit cards.
https://youtu.be/KEoo6wohux0

Posted by: Maxwell Smart | Aug 26 2025 12:06 utc | 204

Funniest news item I’ve seen in a long time time;
Putin paid $250,000 in US cash in a fkn suitcase for fuel to fill up his 3 planes on turnaround in Alaska. LMAO. This was necessary due to all the US sanctions upon all Russian banks, transfer methods, credit cards.
https://youtu.be/KEoo6wohux0

Posted by: Maxwell Smart | Aug 26 2025 12:06 utc | 205

Funniest news item I’ve seen in a long time time;
Putin paid $250,000 in US cash in a fkn suitcase for fuel to fill up his 3 planes on turnaround in Alaska. LMAO. This was necessary due to all the US sanctions upon all Russian banks, transfer methods, credit cards.
https://youtu.be/KEoo6wohux0

Posted by: Maxwell Smart | Aug 26 2025 12:07 utc | 206

Shelenski and co are all Brit proxies.
They are just like the Nazis of Germany were back in the 30’s.
This time though 80 years later the Crown Elites – ziofascists for a thousand years – went One Step too Far!
They really expected the post Maidan ‘fuck the EU’ Natzos and ‘BrexShit Brittania’ as the leading occupier of Crimea – the Lost Old Khazar Empire to be retaken.
They not only put undeclared boots on the ground, they have trained tens of thousands of khokols and mercenaries from all over their ziofascIst world, supplied, paid and commanded them!
Shelenski like Thatcher is a ziofascist PR/Advertising creation sold as the New Churchill standing against an ‘unprovoked full invasion by the re-emerge Russian Empire under czar VVP’!
That fictional concoction – every word a lie – enabled the over reach – we (Britain) are now caught so far beyond where we should have been – driven into the Khazarian Pale even – find ourselves facing the Russia. Canons left right and centre – worse now, with endless ever more sophisticated drones BEHIND as well!
Not only are our elites and never ending great gamer g stale and spooks caught naked with no cloths on! Our admirals are caught in the Black Sea without any paddles!
All they have are ineffective boys own 007 /sas type terrorist commandos doing shit, deep in Russia and surrounding lands and a wallflower spare thug Zaluzny;Being dressed in suits and smouldering against the wall waiting to join the fray, the newer Churchillof Ukropia!
Mostof the smart ziofascist Ukrainians have escaped with their families to the ‘west’ secure in the knowledge that only the Slavic Russian speakers are being exterminated! Their lands stolen and sold off. Their resources equally so to the global ziofascist banking cartels and funds – the Finks with their fingers in every pie!
This time unlike Hitlers being left to die and Germany barely saved from the Red Army’s lightning advance after the failure of taking Moscow and Stalingrad and the further failure of the Kursk counter attack – the Brits can’t easily walk away and stab the banderite zionazi fascists in the back. like they did Germany and Hitler.
They are over invested and now are to be left holding the failure with the Old (Anglo European ziofascist) World.
However the ziofascist inheritor empire – the USA – has been tasked to ‘survive’ – to throw the EU under the bus; remove all its industrial brands to the US, buy expensive repackaged Russian hydrocarbons via the US and India. To trash Europe and U.K. trying to leave it like a post war wasteland full of unrestricted migrants to create chaos within their borders!
That’s the plan and like every single plan of theirs it will fail, with the first punch – most human beings get on with each other without outside enimity rabble rousers.
DJT 47, it is now clear was allowed to oversee the collapse of the Collective Wastes Empire, trashing Old Europe along the way – it’s what the next chosen one, Vance and their brylecream cabinet boys have said from day one – as their Potus Pilate washes his hands publicly of the debacle.
They will try again another generation. Maybe.
In the meantime back to Sykes-Picot as consolation neo apartheid imperilist colonisation expansion.
Next stop South and Latin America, for further conquistadoring there!
Now we find out whose side the Mexicans and Brazilians will be led to?
Are they Lula and co, fake like Modi and Erdogan?
Jusr more ziofascist fakes?
I expect quite a few million South and Latin Americans/Asians/Africans to volunteer to repel the ziofascIst USian invaders into Venezuela. Florida is the next retreat line of the ziofascIst collective wasters. Unless the USians balkanise themselves! In whic case it’ll be their ziofascist Midwest.
A classic karmic outcome of what they started out to do to Russia with Ukraine this time.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 26 2025 12:07 utc | 207

Posted by: Spiridon | Aug 26 2025 11:44 utc | 200
Excellent stream of thought and funny to boot!

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 26 2025 12:25 utc | 208

>>> “I think the nuclear bombings of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes which resulted in more deaths than the combined total of all deaths of US military combatants in all of the many US wars ever since, by far.” <<< Posted by: ThouShslt | Aug 26 2025 6:43 utc | 173 . . The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists gives a high figure of 210,000 for the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, about 1/2 the US combat deaths in WW2 alone, so your assertion is obviously false. If the war had continued into the Winter of 1945-46 and beyond, the famine in Japan would have dwarfed anything Stalin's forced collectives caused, or Mao's. The worst disaster in human history. I take no position other than the war need not have happened, sparing all lives, same as the Stalin/Mao nonsense.

Posted by: seer | Aug 26 2025 12:30 utc | 209

juliania | Aug 26 2025 3:41 utc | 156–
Thanks for your reply and the info you supplied. I thought as much. “Revelations” seems like FUD.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 26 2025 12:37 utc | 210

Posted by: will moon | Aug 26 2025 11:10 utc | 193
I agree absolutely with the general gist of your post. Certainty, the old European colonial powers, and by association that includes the USA held all Asiatic peoples in disdain which part way explains the universal lack of remorse for the unnecessary slaughter caused by the atomic bombs they dropped.
Nevertheless, I still stand by my remarks in my previous post @164.
In any case Russians and central Asians were (and still are) regarded as lesser beings by the Western elites, so by comment is not at all contradictory to your views.
Regards,-

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 26 2025 12:49 utc | 211

You get to a certain age or level of experience and you no longer see our political leaders as respectable wise heads, but of representatives of utter ignorance on many significant areas of perception., regardless of their skill in deception and treachery.
Look around our safe european and western homes, at the way we commune with others of our species in all walks of life, of issues of conformity, of the imperial escapades we are contrived to pay for, is this not a troubled alienated culture? It shouldn’t have surprised us that we support savagery here and there to preserve our cushy life at the expense of others, but it does.
Who doesn’t conceive of themselves of being above it?

Posted by: Geoff | Aug 26 2025 13:00 utc | 212

@Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 19:31 utc | 74
I think you’re right, during Trump 1 it was obvious, now there have been some rather critical posts.
But that is not unlike the other Trump supported who feel dissapointed bcs he can’t deliver.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Aug 26 2025 13:06 utc | 213

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 25 2025 15:27 utc
Thank you very much for posting/linking to this transcript!

Posted by: spudski | Aug 26 2025 13:21 utc | 214

Veterans for peace on Facebook not sure if elsewhere have an article orinoccotribune dot com
Gaza to Donbass how Isr and Ukr built a fascist transitional war machine. Very interesting…lots parallels , maybe joined at the hip, symbiotic twins?
If USA and UK manipulated Syria to end up with aljulani(temporarily until fill take over by Isr???) ,then they can get this guy Senenko in.yes they have been promoting Zaluzhny…but…is he enough for their purposes? Thanks b for yet exposing another possibility.Tony Blair once proposed an alliance NATO Isr….horrific thought..suppose Isr actually gets to run NATO, what is their ultimate ambition?

Posted by: Jo | Aug 26 2025 13:25 utc | 215

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2025 7:20 utc | 180
########
We are of a similar mind on those things which matter.
If it is written, it will be done. Whatever “it” is.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 26 2025 13:37 utc | 216

DunGroanin 207
” the Brits can’t easily walk away and stab the banderite zionazi fascists in the back. like they did Germany and Hitler.”
Macron suggested aligning the French Economy with Russia, and Corbyn would join him. But you can’t have economic prosperity, rational foreign policy, and moral respectability in a Globalist dystopian Feudalism that is recreating 13th century BC slavery. Decisions. Decisions
One of them has to go. But which one?
It’s tougher at the top of the pyramid than for the poor, starved drones hauling monoliths at the bottom.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 26 2025 14:06 utc | 217

Watching all the insanity revolving around the end of this war, I am struck with an idea: The US has decided the best way to get back on top of the imperial shitheap is to allow the EU to attack Russia, and Russia to attack right back, destroying both Europe and Russia in the process. This whole ‘we won’t fight, but we’ll sell the weapons so other people can, while allowing Europe to offer Article 5-like security’ strikes me as these idiots thinking ‘let’s you and him fight.’
Will Russia allow the U.S. to equip armies trying to destroy Russia without hitting the U.S. in retaliation? I think the neo-con warmongers think it will work. Repeat with Taiwan/China using Japan/South Korea for ‘security’, all these people destroy each other, and the U.S., like at the end of WWII, is on top again. Scary line of thought here.

Posted by: Caveman | Aug 26 2025 14:08 utc | 218

@LoveDonbass | 216

If it is written, it will be done. Whatever “it” is.

What is “it”? This question is a good start for an epistemological critique of language in general, and scripture more particularly.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 26 2025 14:09 utc | 219

189 Rep Scotland
UK debt increases minimum 300m to 500 m perday
– In 2025-26, the UK is expected to spend £111.2 billion on debt interest payments, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). This amount represents a significant portion of public spending, at 8.3% of the total, and is equivalent to 3.7% of the national income. Monthly interest payments fluctuate, with £16.4 billion recorded in June 2025.

Posted by: Jo | Aug 26 2025 14:10 utc | 220

The people of Ukraine deserve what they’ll get; for doing nothing, they’ll get nothing. Are there any left in Ukraine, because I haven’t heard a peep out of them? Either they’re playing “nobody home, just us chickens” or… nah… I shudder to think.
Posted by: Spiridon | Aug 26 2025 11:44 utc | 200
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Great summary, Spiros.
The one peep worth noting, for what little it means, is there are ‘polls’ indicating that they (whoever they are) are war weary.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Aug 26 2025 14:31 utc | 221

“If you were searching for Hell, and found planet Earth, it surely would serve.” — L. Ron Hubbard

Posted by: alfwed | Aug 26 2025 14:34 utc | 222

@ Giyane | Aug 26 2025 6:54 utc | 176
iain mcgilchrist says the opposite of life is not death, but the machine.. it seems our thinking has become increasingly dominated by one hemisphere over the other, to the point we’ve given greater emphasis on the machine, as opposed to our ability to connect with others on a deeper level… well – might sound far-fetched, but that was what i was thinking this morning while reading your commentary.. cheers..
@ Johan Kaspar | Aug 26 2025 9:07 utc | 184
i think you underestimate the importance of the media in it’s use of propaganda to further a particular agenda of the elites which is the opposite of our own interests.. i think most people are too busy with life, to really study and know the dynamics with regard to many topics, but the ukraine war would be a good one to example.. how can a public have any idea of what is happening here when they only hear one side of the conflict, but not the other? so, i think you are wrong to underestimate the importance of the msm.. cheers….

Posted by: james | Aug 26 2025 14:51 utc | 223

If anyone wishes to read…
Junge Welt: Ukrainian nationalists from “Azov” have adapted the ideology of the Third Reich to Ukrainian realities and are now ready to spread it to Europe.
In their book “What is Azov in Ukraine?”, the Kiev-based Rainshouse publishing house, led by Alexey Rains, sought to debunk the Kremlin’s “myths” and portray “Azov” militants as sincere patriots and loyal allies of a “democracy capable of defending itself.” However, this mission failed spectacularly.
Rains not only undermined nearly all narratives about the normalization of “Azov” but also likely unintentionally highlighted the very dangerous line of tradition he sought to conceal at all costs. The “insider” portrait traces the history of the formation of “Azov” groups, revealing that their militarized unit, also known as the “little black men,” did not emerge by chance.
Etc etc ukrainewatch

Posted by: Jo | Aug 26 2025 15:03 utc | 224

If anyone wishes to read…
Junge Welt: Ukrainian nationalists from “Azov” have adapted the ideology of the Third Reich to Ukrainian realities and are now ready to spread it to Europe.
In their book “What is Azov in Ukraine?”, the Kiev-based Rainshouse publishing house, led by Alexey Rains, sought to debunk the Kremlin’s “myths” and portray “Azov” militants as sincere patriots and loyal allies of a “democracy capable of defending itself.” However, this mission failed spectacularly.
Rains not only undermined nearly all narratives about the normalization of “Azov” but also likely unintentionally highlighted the very dangerous line of tradition he sought to conceal at all costs. The “insider” portrait traces the history of the formation of “Azov” groups, revealing that their militarized unit, also known as the “little black men,” did not emerge by chance.
Etc etc ukrainewatch

Posted by: Jo | Aug 26 2025 15:04 utc | 225

If Putin were serious, there would be no more AZOV Nazis.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 26 2025 15:09 utc | 226

Trump probably doesn’t want to be outdone by Obama, who was at war his entire tow-terms as POTUS, yet the farcical Nobel Society awarded him a Peace Prize in 2009.
I doubt the Yanks struck ISIS, its a Western backed terrorist outfit.
“Trump has shattered the annual record for US airstrikes in Somalia
AFRICOM told me this morning that it launched 9 airstrikes in an operation against Somalia’s ISIS affiliate, bringing the total number of airstrikes in Somalia this year to 68. The previous annual record was 63”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2025 15:12 utc | 227

Says it all really about the British establishment propaganda “news” outlet.
“Jeremy Corbyn has been on BBC Question Time once in 42 years
Zarah Sultana has never been on it
Farage has been on it 39 times”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2025 15:14 utc | 228

There’s a lot more pain in the pipeline for the German people, if this comes to pass.
“The Chancellor of Germany and CDU leader Friedrich Merz is considering the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen as a candidate for the post of Federal President of Germany in 2027, — reports Der Spiegel”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2025 15:19 utc | 229

@ Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2025 15:19 utc | 229
She’d be the perfect candidate for the job. Even better if her successor were that imbecilic tramp…olinist.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 26 2025 15:37 utc | 230

Meanwhile
Kiev loses 1,220 troops along engagement line in past day
https://tass.com/politics/2007599
And yesterday’s marat
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-august-25th

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 26 2025 15:43 utc | 231

@Republicofscotland | Tue, 26 Aug 2025 15:19:00 GMT | 229
The Bundespräsident, while formally the head of state, has mostly representative duties. I guess if Ursula gets the job, not much would happen, or perhaps her remarkable incompentence and penchant for corruption would cause some sort of scandal.
The establishment is wary of scandals in the position. When the Bundeswehr went into Afghanistan to “defend our freedom at the Hindu-Kush” (DefMin Peter Struck) and then-Bundespräsident Horst Köhler, who had been a Sparkasse executive before, publicly stated that this mission was also done for economic reasons (“we have to be honest”) a large outcry manifested, spanning parties and newspapers. Köhler immediately resigned in a legendary press conference in 2010.

Auf dem Rückflug von einem Besuch in Afghanistan hatte das Staatsoberhaupt ein Hörfunk-Interview gegeben und darin gesagt, im Notfall sei auch “militärischer Einsatz notwendig (…), um unsere Interessen zu wahren, zum Beispiel freie Handelswege”. Dies hatte zu diesem Zeitpunkt einen Sturm der Entrüstung in Berlin ausgelöst: Köhler habe Bundeswehreinsätze in Zusammenhang mit wirtschaftlichen Interessen gebracht, bemängelten Kritiker.

https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/horst-koehler-ueber-seine-ruecktrittsgruende-die-angriffe-auf-mich-waren-ungeheuerlich-1.1106466

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 26 2025 15:47 utc | 232

Mario | Aug 25 2025 19:04 utc | 67

Japan was defeated before nukes not by nukes.
Nukes were only a demo against the Soviets.

‘Kin right !
Right, I’m off to Grim Dawn it ! Hasta la vista brethren, sistren !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 26 2025 16:11 utc | 233

Posted by: Zionism is Nazism | Aug 25 2025 20:42 utc | 89
I am sick of your constant propaganda postings. Get lost.
Posted by: Marduk | Aug 26 2025 4:21 utc | 159
Have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magda_Goebbels
In 1908, her mother married Richard Friedländer, a wealthy Jewish merchant who lived in Brussels. He adopted Magda and gave her his surname.[9] In 2016, it was reported that Friedländer may have been Magda’s biological father, as stated in his residency card, found in the Berlin archives by writer and historian Oliver Hilmes.[10][11]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvXlZwwVWGk Hitler as best mann

Posted by: Paul from Norway | Aug 26 2025 16:26 utc | 234

There’s a lot more pain in the pipeline for the German people, if this comes to pass.
“The Chancellor of Germany and CDU leader Friedrich Merz is considering the head of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen as a candidate for the post of Federal President of Germany in 2027, — reports Der Spiegel”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 26 2025 15:19 utc | 229
If Carlsberg did failing upwardly!

Posted by: jpc | Aug 26 2025 17:07 utc | 235

Jo | Aug 26 2025 13:25 utc | 215
***.. suppose Isr actually gets to run NATO, what is their ultimate ambition?***
Schneersonia.
A worldwide Khazar owned slave-reich from which there could be no escape.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 26 2025 17:18 utc | 236

I associate Carlsberg with falling down, or at least stumbling.
That said, a french producer of blanc beer called 1664 currently does some promo in town, and a crate found its way to me. If you like the lighter stuff I can recommend it.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 26 2025 17:19 utc | 237

Jo | Aug 26 2025 14:10 utc | 220
*** UK debt increases minimum 300m to 500 m perday
– In 2025-26, the UK is expected to spend £111.2 billion on debt interest payments, according to the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR). This amount represents a significant portion of public spending, at 8.3% of the total, and is equivalent to 3.7% of the national income. Monthly interest payments fluctuate, with £16.4 billion recorded in June 2025.***
Establishment politicians, orthodox economists and bankers should be forced to pay that sum entirely from *their own* assets, with them all getting a damn good flogging each month they fail to do so.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 26 2025 18:11 utc | 238

persiflo | Aug 26 2025 17:19 utc | 237
***… a french producer of blanc beer called 1664 currently does some promo in town, and a crate found its way to me. If you like the lighter stuff I can recommend it.***
I remember that stuff as the only alcoholic drink to give a hangover even while it was still being consumed, though not particularly unpleasant tasting (unlike Stella and certain US allegedly “beer” drinks which are vile).
Very much prefer German beers, or Hoegaarden.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 26 2025 18:28 utc | 239

Its Dortmund Gold for me…many thanks for the purity of German beer……

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 26 2025 20:44 utc | 240

So the Brits are paying 111 million pounds a year in debt service, yet are sending billions of pounds in free ammo and arms to the Ukronazi government, and IDF war criminals too.
The UK is just a bankrupt, morally and financially Orwellian state now. The whole rotten regime needs to be replaced by a Farage government of national unity and quickly too. Where is King Charles III when you need him?

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 26 2025 20:48 utc | 241

Barrel Brown | Aug 26 2025 12:49
Fair enough Barrel Brown and thanks for your generous response – however I would ask you a question.
A year ago or so I did a lot of reading on FDR, several bio’s and much supplemental text. I found several passages which seem to indicate that FDR both expected “Uncle Joe” to hear about “the Bomb” and during the execution of the Manhattan Project hinted that Stalin would know in detail about the state of the project. I entered these passages into my notes, a file of paper that has become very, very dense over the last forty years lol. Periodically I go through this file, setting it in order. If I could find these passages, do you think you might be persuaded that Stalin was fully informed about “the Bomb”? If so this would undercut the notion of a demonstration to the Soviets. When reading about the 1948 Nabka, I became aware that the news of two atomic strikes had had a marked effect on Arab opinion
I seem to recall Stalin had a high opinion of his 1945 Tank Armies, based on the Soviet offensive performance in that year, particularly the destruction of the Kwangtung Army, the outcome of “August Storm” the Soviet invasion of Manchuria. Many sources claim it was the success of August Storm not the atomic strikes which forced the Japanese surrender

Posted by: will moon | Aug 26 2025 21:13 utc | 242

>>> “I think the nuclear bombings of civilians at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were war crimes which resulted in more deaths than the combined total of all deaths of US military combatants in all of the many US wars ever since, by far.” <<< Posted by: ThouShslt | Aug 26 2025 6:43 utc | 173 "The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists gives a high figure of 210,000 for the deaths at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, about 1/2 the US combat deaths in WW2 alone, so your assertion is obviously false." Posted by: seer | Aug 26 2025 12:30 utc | 209 You didn't comprehend what I wrote. Notice that I wrote "ever since", which obviously was in reference to the time of the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Thus, it does not include the US deaths in WWII prior to those nuclear bombings. My post which you quoted is correct. AI summary: "Since World War II, the US military has had deaths in several conflicts, including approximately 36,574 in the Korean War, 58,220 in the Vietnam War, 382 in the Persian Gulf War (1991), around 4,605 in Iraq-related operations, and approximately 2,459 in Afghanistan-related operations." Total: 102,240

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 26 2025 21:21 utc | 243

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 26 2025 20:48 utc | 241
“The whole rotten regime needs to be replaced by a Farage government of national unity and quickly too.”
Only if you have Fascist proclivities (although Starmer also has these).
“Where is King Charles III when you need him?”
We don’t need such useless parasites, and as for where he is, who gives a flying f***.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 26 2025 21:32 utc | 244

>>> “Total: 102,240” <<< Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 26 2025 21:21 utc | 243 . . And the Atomic Scientists say their low figure is 110,000 deaths at H and N, which basically equals your figure for US combat deaths since, meaning your assertion that it exceeded it "by far" is obviously false.

Posted by: seer | Aug 26 2025 22:40 utc | 245

Posted by: will moon | Aug 26 2025 21:13 utc | 242
Thank you for the response to my earlier post @211.
I don’t know how deeply Stalin and the leadership of the USSR in 1945 were aware of the US progress on the atom bomb. But they were certainly aware of the project and its potential for very powerful weapons, so I doubt that the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki came as a great surprise.
Nevertheless, as you stated the Japanese armies in North China and Manchuria had been well and truly defeated by the red army. Sure the US still wanted to invade Japan which could have been an expensive undertaking if Japan had not surrendered. It is argued that the atom bombing of the two cities-with the attendant massacres of civilians-were instrumental in forcing the surrender.
I do not buy that argument, since a demonstration on some sparsely populated area would have served the same purpose, and would also have informed Stalin etc. of the advantage the US had in the event of any “problems” that the USSR might cause in Europe.
Basically, the destruction of the two cities was completely unnecessary and callous. It was a very good example of how the collective west perceive Asian peoples in general, and had Japan been populated with European people, I doubt that the cities would have been obliterated -to use a current buzz word.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 27 2025 0:43 utc | 246

Numerous explosions at burning “warehouse” in Hamburg Germany.
I wonder what was kept there?

20-second video
https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1960021593750401395

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2025 1:41 utc | 247

Posted by: seer | Aug 26 2025 22:40 utc | 245
Your assertion that
110,000 = 102,240 is false, even with the qualifier “basically”. Might as well assert that “2+2=5, basically”.
The Bulletin of Atomic Scientist’s “low” estimate of 110,000 combined deaths from the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was the figure that the US government itself came up with for “immediate deaths” during and shortly after the two bombings. Probably not an unbiased source for that low tally.
I think the actual number, which shall forever remain undetermined, is closer to Wellerstein’s “high” estimate of 210,000 (which you quoted first in post #209). Furthermore, the 210,000 “high” estimate isn’t really the highest estimate. Wikipedia, for example, notes (with references) that:

The aerial bombings killed between 150,000 and 246,000 people, most of whom were civilians, and remain the only uses of nuclear weapons in an armed conflict.

An estimated 90,000 to 166,000 people in Hiroshima (between 26 and 49 percent of its population) and 60,000 to 80,000 people in Nagasaki (between 22 and 32 percent of its population) died in 1945, of which a majority in each case were killed on the days of the bombings, due to the force and heat of the blasts themselves. Nearly all of the remainder of victims died within two to four months, due to radiation exposure and resulting complications.[122][151]

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 27 2025 1:45 utc | 248

ThouShalt 248 – the IDF has already murdered more Palestinians, an estimated 400,000, than Japanese killed in the Hiroshima and Nagasaki atomic bombings in August 1945.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 27 2025 2:01 utc | 249

A year ago or so I did a lot of reading on FDR, several bio’s and much supplemental text. I found several passages which seem to indicate that FDR both expected “Uncle Joe” to hear about “the Bomb” and during the execution of the Manhattan Project hinted that Stalin would know in detail about the state of the project. I entered these passages into my notes, a file of paper that has become very, very dense over the last forty years lol. Periodically I go through this file, setting it in order. If I could find these passages, do you think you might be persuaded that Stalin was fully informed about “the Bomb”? If so this would undercut the notion of a demonstration to the Soviets. When reading about the 1948 Nabka, I became aware that the news of two atomic strikes had had a marked effect on Arab opinion
Posted by: will moon | Aug 26 2025 21:13 utc | 242
Thank you Will. It does not surprise me that FDR expected Stalin to have heard about ‘the bomb’. US spies kept him informed about happenings in the USSR and he would assume that Soviet spies did the same for Stalin. But that he knew about its development does not obviate the value of demonstrating its effectiveness. Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have served as a not-so-subtle threat to Stalin by Truman. “Do as we say or this could happen to you”.

Posted by: Samu | Aug 27 2025 2:10 utc | 250

@LoveDonbass | 247

Numerous explosions at burning “warehouse” in Hamburg Germany.
I wonder what was kept there?

Gas tanks with nitrous oxide, said the papers. Some flew onto the nearby motorway and injured a driver, the copper plant was threatened, while firefighters couldn’t get close and later had to deal with fires inside of shipping containers. The sprawling mega port is a dangerous place. Just last week 120 tons of liquid steel spilled in another plant.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 27 2025 2:56 utc | 251

The most interesting idea about why Japan was nuked in 1945 I heard from MoA’s own unimperator: after the Soviet offensive, the US feared that Tokyo would capitulate to Stalin; this prompted the attack.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 27 2025 3:01 utc | 252

@inVeritasX
“A Thread
Many so called Ukrainian NeoNazis are in fact jews who were trained by the Israeli Defence Force IDF
Azov Battalion is financed by the 4th richest jewish Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky.”
https://x.com/inveritasx/status/1959302017295245350
Full thread: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1959302017295245350.html

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Aug 27 2025 4:11 utc | 253

Samu@2:10
The problem for me is the fact that no military targets were involved, just civilians. To demonstrate to the Soviets, surely dropping them on the Japanese Army, which in 1945 still had six million soldiers in the field or the gigantic and historic naval yard at Yokosuka, would have been the way to go?
The Soviet Union had sustained close to twenty million civilian casualties, a million more due to attacks from atomics would not make much difference. The Party controlled the media in the Soviet Union and any such atomic attacks could be masked to avoid a collapse in military and civilian morale. The Soviet military was a colossal organisation by the war’s end and could function without the huge logistical tail that Nazi and Western Allied forces needed to operate. It was battle-hardened and fielded many superlative commanders, proven in combat against the German General Staff. The allied field commanders were no match for men like Katukov, Rokossovsky and so many more, in terms of experience and achievements
I suggest that Stalin thought the six Tank Armies was far superior to any atomic threat in 1945, in terms of destructive power. The bombs were few in number and their destructive force was limited, relatively speaking eg Little Boy dropped on Hiroshima had a blast zone of five square miles I came across a military source that suggested that maybe four to six could be deployed in 1945 in the event of a capitalism/communism conflict.
If you wish to catch a flavour of how deadly these Tank Armies were in 45, check August Storm, the invasion of Manchuria, which was an incredible performance and destroyed the huge Japanese military presence in that country in just a week or so. The Soviets had developed Tukhachevsky’s theory of “deep battle” to a high degree, ushering in a new generation of warfare. I would suggest that August Storm was Stalin’s threat to Truman and the Allied forces in Europe and represented a greater threat than the handful of atomic weapons fielded by the Allies
This is why I suggested that the atomic bombs were aimed at the non-white countries. By detonating them in Japan the full media power of the West could be harnessed to spread the news around the globe and cow the masses – class warfare with a strong racial element

Posted by: will moon | Aug 27 2025 4:25 utc | 254

@ GreatLakesObserver | Aug 27 2025 4:11 utc | 253

Azov Battalion is financed by the 4th richest jewish Ukrainian oligarch Igor Kolomoisky.

Who’s now being convoyed around by his former pet nazis every time he takes a walk out. He tried to run away from 404 early on. He’s not getting out of this alive when SMO ends. A small bit of universal recompense, sure. But funny as hell.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2025 4:31 utc | 255

SE: Ukrainian Opposition Politician Maksim Nevenchanny
https://www.rt.com/shows/sanchez-effect/623476-nevenchanny-ukraine-anti-russia-project/
“The US pumped in billions to make a concentration camp of Ukraine.”
SE: Pepe Escobar
https://www.rt.com/sanchez-effect/623494-escobar-european-elites-russophobia-warmongering/
“European elites care more about prolonging conflict than the well-being of their own people.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 27 2025 4:35 utc | 256

SE: Pepe Escobar (corrected)
https://www.rt.com/shows/sanchez-effect/623494-escobar-european-elites-russophobia-warmongering/

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 27 2025 4:42 utc | 257

“The US pumped in billions to make a concentration camp of Ukraine.”
Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 27 2025 4:35 utc | 256
And you say it didn’t work well for them? Look at the news, energy is back, maybe some nuclear icebreakers and technology transfer. Best friends again thanks to 4 years of bombing and without even using ‘murican soldiers, just some losers next door.
– tankterminals.com/news/russia-decree-opens-door-for-exxon-return-to-sakhalin-1-project/
– eurasiabusinessnews.com/2025/08/26/exxon-had-secret-talks-with-rosneft-about-going-back-to-russia/
The only solution for a third world banana republic is sell or give to US, or everything will be blown up. Putin himself explained it a few months ago: they are so poor they can’t dig in the ground and asked for help from US. It does not matter if ‘murican “investors” also bomb them at the same time, Bibi needs his resources quickly ( en.interaffairs.ru/article/vladimir-putin-in-order-to-resolve-challenging-and-urgent-matters-including-on-the-ukrainian-trac/ )

Posted by: rk | Aug 27 2025 6:10 utc | 258

When they get progressively more rabidly upset about Russia not actually selling out nor giving up despite all the whining for years – it’s a good day.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 27 2025 6:14 utc | 259

Posted by: rk | Aug 27 2025 6:10 utc | 258
“And you say it didn’t work well for them [the US]?”
It didn’t work at all. Inflicting a military defeat on Russia, ruining her economy, isolating her on the world stage: none of this was achieved.
“Look at the news, energy is back, maybe some nuclear icebreakers and technology transfer.”
There is nothing wrong with that.
“Best friends again”
This is overstated. Russia and the US are on the way to start talking and trading with each other again. To repeat it: there is nothing wrong with that.
“a third world banana republic”
This is not even good polemic; just ridiculous.
“Putin himself explained it a few months ago: they are so poor they can’t dig in the ground and asked for help from US.”
He said nothing of the kind, and Russia is not asking for help from anybody.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Aug 27 2025 8:32 utc | 260

241 111 million pounds UK debt service???…
Nooooo 16.4 billion a month….next year is forecast 20 billion plus, each day UK debt increases by 300 to 500 million. UK 30 year guilts now 5.6%.Completely bonkers and unsustainable
As Alex Krainer says and Chris Bond UK could be first to fall then EU like dominoes.egFrance is facing a staggering £2.58trillion ‘debt explosion’ and could soon be forced into the humiliation of an International Monetary Fund (IMF) bailout as Emmanuel Macron’s government teeters on the edge of collapse.
Eric Lombard, the Minister of Economics and Finance, issued a stark warning that ‘a risk exists’ that the IMF will be forced to bail out Paris.
The revelation comes amid widespread predictions that the French Government may be toppled in a matter of weeks after Prime Minister Francois Bayrou, 74, said he would seek a vote of no confidence in Parliament.
Opposition parties from Jean-Luc Melenchon’s radical-Left France Unbowed to Marine Le Pen’s Right-wing National Rally have vowed to bring Bayrou down. Even members of his own camp branded the move reckless. Nicole Dubre-Chirat, one of Bayrou’s MPs, said his decision to seek a vote of confidence was ‘suicidal’.
If he falls, the country would be left rudderless and without a budget at a time when France is groaning under £2.85trillion of debt and facing a deficit of 5.4 per cent of GDP.
Olivier Blanchard, a former French chief economist of the IMF, said a ‘debt explosion’ would be ‘catastrophic’ for an economy that has not run a budget surplus since 1974.

Posted by: Jo | Aug 27 2025 11:26 utc | 261

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 27 2025 1:45 utc | 248
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So you pick and choose the Bulletin data as it suits your bias? Shoddy.
Not to mention, the thousands of US (and Russian) casualties taken during the Cold War, listed as “training accidents”, which further exposes your “by far” assertion as false, obviously so.

Posted by: seer | Aug 27 2025 12:02 utc | 262

Posted by: rk | Aug 27 2025 6:10 utc | 258
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I looked at the link you posted, nowhere is VVP alluding “they are too poor to dig themselves”. As usual, you tell BS.

Posted by: scc | Aug 27 2025 12:05 utc | 263

I saw a von der lying presser where she states the Talmud represents EU values. She say anything when in tel another lie
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIK0ysioRwH/

Posted by: Hankster | Aug 27 2025 12:51 utc | 264

Ukraine bombs the pipeline from Russia to Hungary, and has the video published by a Ukrainian of Hungarian descent, with the callsign “Hungarian”:

Druzhba oil pipeline in Russia repeatedly hit by drones – Ukrainian commander
The video of the fire was published by the commander of the Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces, Robert Brovdi, an ethnic Hungarian from Uzhgorod with the call sign “Magyar.” (interfax)

The pipeline from Russia to Hungary is called “Friendship”. This is a press conference of Ukrainian president Zelenski this weekend:

“We have always supported friendship between Ukraine and Hungary, and now the existence of friendship depends on Hungary’s position,” Zelensky said during a press conference in Kyiv on Sunday.
However, the president did not specify whether he was referring to friendship or the “Friendship” oil pipeline. (interfax)

The foreign policy of Ukraine seems to consists of taunts, pissing off people, and trying to provoke them into impulsive actions. A country of trolls. If there is anyone left in Ukraine who can think – sooner or later this war ends, and then what?

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 27 2025 12:54 utc | 265

Hankster // 264
It’s hard to imagine there are people in our so called “enlightened” modern times who might be using their positions of power and wealth to bring about ancient religious prophecies. When the topic is brought up here from time to time, nearly everyone scoffs and mocks it. Then Ursula von der Leyen slips up and admits she thinks the Jewish Talmud is the basis for the EU. You assume she is telling a lie, or being ridiculous because, in your mind, you cannot believe anyone might use a religion as a basis for a continent-wide government. Why not take her at her word, then test the idea against what you see in the world?

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 27 2025 13:20 utc | 266

Russia and China…

🚨⚡️ STUNNING REVEAL: Putin’s Family Bombshell!
For the first time ever, Vladimir Putin has revealed he has a granddaughter.
The most striking detail? She speaks FLUENT Chinese with her governess from Beijing.
“Interest in Chinese is GROWING in Russia.” 🇷🇺🇨🇳

https://x.com/mog_russEN/status/1960685163513569522

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 27 2025 14:48 utc | 267

@252
Stalin grabbing some of the home islands demanded quick end of war.
Stalin attacking with 2 million plus Red Army in China, end war quick or he get much more.
Cow Stalin with bomb, and capacity to use them.
The bombs got Stalin out of Manchuria, and U.S. got half of Korea w/o sending a soldier or fighting in combat.
The Cold War started in Potsdam with Churchill leading Truman.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 27 2025 15:22 utc | 268

@paddy
Nonsense.You don’t know when the Americans bombed Japan with nuclear weapons and when the Soviets began their offensives.You have no idea that Mao Zendong’s China was an ally of the USSR and that the Soviets attacked Manchukuo,a puppet state under Japanese occupation,Korea and North China, that is, Japanese-occupied Inner Mongolia. Half of historical Manchuria was in… Russia since the end of the last Opium War. Stalin knew about the American nuclear tests and the intention to bomb Japan. He didn’t even blink when Truman informed him.

Posted by: surena | Aug 27 2025 15:42 utc | 269

Z. threatens because he knows that he is backed both by the EU and by the USA. Before the meeting in Washington between Trump, the EU representatives and Z., it seemed that he was destined to disappear from the stage, but now he is once again legitimised and supported. And therefore he allows himself to threaten and to act against the EU and NATO countries that do not support him in the war against Russia.
He probably knows that NATO is already working to replace Orbán with someone loyal to the line, and he is aware that a few days without petrol, and perhaps this winter without heating, will persuade the Hungarians that it is better for them to realign with the EU and NATO. Basically he is bombing hungarina pipeline on NATO orders.

Posted by: louis | Aug 27 2025 15:43 utc | 270

Armenia getting into bed with the British Devils – soon Armenia will fall victim to British duplicity.
“Russia’s CSTO ally Armenia has established a “strategic partnership” with the United Kingdom, a country Moscow views as hostile. Yerevan and London sealed the deal during an intergovernmental meeting on Monday, according to a joint communique.
The announcement comes as Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan faces domestic unrest over the arrests of two Armenian Apostolic Church bishops and a prominent businessman, who stand accused of plotting a coup.
Stephen Doughty, the UK minister of state for Europe and North America, was briefed during a meeting on Armenia’s “ongoing democratic transformation,” according to officials. The enhanced partnership is expected to expand security cooperation and attract British investment.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 27 2025 16:03 utc | 271

What is the latest news about all the Ukrainian children who were taken away from their homes and parents by the Russians and are now living in Russia with people who are not their parents or relatives?

Posted by: GeorgeJ | Aug 27 2025 23:11 utc | 272

GeorgeJ
They don’t exist.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 28 2025 1:11 utc | 273