Ukraine – Trump Continues To Humiliate Europe

August 19, 2025

Nothing changed due to yesterday's meetings.

Ukraine offers $100bn weapons deal to Trump to win security guarantees (archived) – Financial Times, Aug 19 2025

Ukraine will promise to buy $100bn of American weapons financed by Europe in a bid to obtain US guarantees for its security after a peace settlement with Russia, according to a document seen by the Financial Times.

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Alexander G. Rubio @AlexanderGRubi2 – 2:22 UTC · Aug 19, 2025

The plan is for the US to sell weapons to the Europeans, who will then provide them to Kiev. However, the US doesn’t have the weapons to sell, the Europeans don’t have the money to buy, and Kiev doesn’t have the soldiers to use them. Other than that it's a foolproof plan.

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[Putin] noted that these individuals have “happily carried out any order from the president in Washington under Biden,” but “got confused when Trump suddenly won” the November election.

“They just don’t like Trump, they actively fought him, interfered in political life, in the US election… Trump has different ideas about what is good and what is bad, including in gender policy, in some other issues, and they don’t like it,” Putin said. […]

“I assure you, Trump, with his character and persistence, will restore order quite quickly. And all of them, you’ll see, soon all of them will stand at the master’s feet and gently wag their tails,” Putin argued.

European leaders will ‘wag tails’ for Trump – Putin – RT, Feb 2 2025

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Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand – 7:48 UTC · Aug 19, 2025

This is beyond parody: not only is the EU doing virtually nothing to escape the protection racket it's under with the US, it's now supposed to pay for Ukraine's…

All the more absurd when one considers that NATO expansion – the institutionalization of this protection racket – was the primary catalyst for this conflict.

Posted by b on August 19, 2025 at 08:40 UTC | Permalink

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The butt hurt is strong here.
Trump brought VVP back in from the cold, demolishing the Western narrative than VVP was isolated.
Treated him like a real statesman, red carpet, premium US fighter flyover, a ride in the Beast and even bodyguard fighter escort when leaving.
Team b, ushered in the service entrance.
Team c, not even greeted by POTUS, VP or Sec of State. Made to wait in a corridor on chairs. Humored with lunch and sent on their way.
Von Lying: “The children…
Trump: “Well, that’s not the issue here….
Coalition of cocaine cowards : “Cease fire….
Trump: “in all the wars I’ve help stop, there was no cease fire, 1 side might not want to…
Conclusion?
Trump gets to back out of his ‘Sanctions from hell threat’ and pull out of funding the Ukraine war. US dollar is not directly threatened.
Russia eases pressure on its economic BRICS partners.
Team b and c? What did they get out of their meeting?

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 19:44 utc | 201

@150
“his outward appearance of apparent normalcy”
Jeez S, Jake Sullivan looks like the poster child for inbred evangelicals.

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 19 2025 19:44 utc | 202

I believe that if one tells a lie enough times, it becomes that person’s (the liar’s) truth.
Biden was like this. He repeated lies about himself from the 60s and ended up believing them as fact.
Elites are deluded and have fragile egos. Their sense of self is a construct that has no beginning and no substance.
Without it, they don’t know who they are. They have no moral, ethical, or spiritual center.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 19:44 utc | 203

@ Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 19:39 utc | 196
But once again there is no evidence, just conjecture, innuendo and antagonistic bias.
You haven’t actually got anything really though, have you? Nothing that would pass a test of reasonableness in a civil court. Just filling up these threads with junk postings.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 19:50 utc | 204

I feel that it is the objective of the European leaders to be really incredibly annoying.
And Putin’s incredibly pedantic approach is promoting this behavior.
Yes, in theory there should be a resolution and “indivisible security” (what is that?), but that is not going to happen – not in this lifetime.
I am filled will a sense of ennui.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 19:50 utc | 205

The butt hurt is strong here.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 19:44 utc | 198
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It’s not butthurt, it’s sober, mature, adult analysis.
Trump has done nothing substantial towards peace.
Some, like myself, believe that he cannot and will not.
I can make a case based upon facts and the record.
I told the bar last year that Trump would be unable to negotiate this even if he wanted to.
And here we are…
Many conveniently forget that Trump started the war in his first term; he sent weapons to the Nazis. Anti-tank weapons, when the Donbass militia didn’t exactly have much armor in the first place.
He continued to build biolabs and CIA outposts in Ukraine. He withdrew from the INF missile treaty.
He never audited Hunter Biden’s (and Pelosi’s son, and Romney’s) graft in Ukraine.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 19:56 utc | 206

Meanwhile, there’s a “bear in the air”, “Ten-four”:

There are reports of rocket strike on enemy targets in Odessa. A major fire as a result of the landings is recorded on the territory of the “Gidroport” airfield. A significant number of fire brigades are reported to be heading to the site of the fires.
According to the latest information, tanks with fuel used to refuel vehicles were destroyed there. aviation.
However, it was not only the fuel in this area that became the target of the strike. There are reports that – after the missile arrived – several zigzag “torches” soared into the air, which may indicate the detonation of the ammunition of the anti-aircraft missile system that was covering the military aircraft at this airfield.
There is currently no information on whether the aircraft itself was damaged.
According to the latest information, a military facility in the Odessa region was hit by missiles from the Iskander operational-tactical complex. There were no interceptions from the Ukrainian side. This is confirmed by local residents.
At the same time, strikes are being carried out on enemy facilities and positions in the Slavyansk area. Let us recall that at the moment the topic of a possible withdrawal of Ukrainian troops from there is being actively discussed. In fact, there are no hints yet of the Ukrainian Armed Forces preparing to withdraw from the Slavyansk-Kramatorsk agglomeration. Therefore, the enemy is being smoked out using “traditional” methods – “geranization”.

https://en.topwar.ru/269858-nanesen-raketnyj-udar-po-obektu-protivnika-v-odesse.html
Surely attacking fuel supplies (especially if they are connected to the Israel-supplying SOCAR) is anti-semitic, and not at all the behaviour expected from a “Jewish Trojan Horse”?
I’m sure others here know better though…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 20:00 utc | 207

What is your opinion regarding this:
WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014.
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine.
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.
WHAT IF THIS HAD HAPPENED IN 2014?
In 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine (to replace the Yanukovich government which was considered too pro-Europe).
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
Of course, to be consistent, the media claimed, and would still claim, that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they would champion a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.

Posted by: Peter | Aug 19 2025 20:00 utc | 208

What is your opinion regarding this:
Posted by: Peter | Aug 19 2025 20:00 utc | 205
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Is that your thing? Post the same thing every day, trying to solicit a response?
Or are you search engine marketing?
Either way, take the hint. Please stop.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 20:05 utc | 209

“Russia does not refuse any formats of negotiations on Ukraine: neither bilateral nor trilateral
Without respect for the security of Russia and the rights of Russians in Ukraine, there can be no talk of any long-term agreements” (c) Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 20:12 utc | 210

Please stop.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 20:05 utc | 206
Hear, hear to that. For one dreadful moment I thought that post was going to be the idiotically huge listing of Germanic surnames that periodically pops up here.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 20:13 utc | 211

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-s400-air-defences-blunt-ukraine-patriot
“Russian defence industry source speaking to state media has revealed that ground-based air defence systems, and in particular the S-400 long range system, have played a significant role in defending fighter aircraft on the frontlines from surface-to-air missile attacks by Ukraine’s own long range air defences. The Russian S-400 system launches missiles capable of intercepting targets at far higher speeds than the Patriot and S-200, allowing it to shoot down surface-to-air missiles launched by the two Ukrainian operated systems with its own surface-to-air missiles. . . . The surface to air missiles fired by the Patriot fly at only Mach 3.5 speeds, with some sources reporting maximum speeds of Mach 5, while missiles fired by the S-400 fly at speeds exceeding Mach 14.”
And similarly for most other Russian versus US weapons systems.
Yeah. The Ukrainians can buy as many ‘Patriots’ as they like, but they are practically useless. But it may be good for the EU to throw billions of dollars away on junk, if it encourages the buying of pitchforks and tumbrils.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 19 2025 20:16 utc | 212

I bring the last bullet point to your attention:

Trump is officially invited to Russia – Lavrov.
Other statements by Lavrov.
— Territorial changes are an integral component of reaching agreements with Ukraine;
— Without respect for Russia’s security and the rights of Russians in Ukraine, there can be no talk of peace;
— If Kyiv refuses neutrality and non-nuclear status, the grounds for recognizing Ukraine’s independence disappear.
“>https://t.me/CyberspecNews/89235

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2025 20:23 utc | 213

world politics is a telenovela.
remember usa and china working together in wuhan military lab to do gain of function.
|-o-| pew pew

Posted by: Hodes | Aug 19 2025 20:24 utc | 214

will moon @ 4

The body language in that picture is comedy gold and matches all the gold Good King Don has fitted the Oval Office with

If Trump really wanted to torture them he’d have made them all wear red MAGA hats for that picture, that would have been comedy gold for the ages, a lost historic opportunity. Only thing I ever liked about Trump was his sense of humor, the one he showed in the first primary, after he become POTUS he lost his sense of humor, somewhat understandably.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2025 20:34 utc | 215

Posted by: BlindSpot | Aug 19 2025 18:58 utc | 190
Hey, BS – take a look at – Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 19 2025 20:16 utc | 209
The US is now around 10 to 20 years behind Russia in hypersonic weapons – similarly, China is now test flying 6th Gen planes, while the US is cancelling new programs right, left and centre, and is thus falling even further and further behind. New US programs have a history of failure and poor performance, because they are not designed for use – they are designed for shareholder dividends. Even when the US ‘catches up’ to today’s standards, by then Russia and China will be another 10 to 20 years ahead. The Empire is decadent – in all respects.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 19 2025 20:36 utc | 216

And Putin’s incredibly pedantic approach is promoting this behavior.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 19:50 utc | 202
Just speculation, but this approach is being taken precisely because pedantically procrastinating actually drains the West, particularly the EU, of both financial and physical resources; we could consider that the Russian strategists and planners have gamed this out, to a greater or lesser extent, and have worked through various scenarios.
As far as I can see, there are no outright negatives for Russia at the moment. Could someone remind me who holds all the cards here?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 20:42 utc | 217

“I’ve settled 6 wars in 6 months, one of which is a potential nuclear catastrophe, and in doing so, I have to read and listen to the Wall Street Journal and many others who really have no idea, who point out to me all my mistakes in the Russian-Ukrainian MESS, which is Sleepy Joe Biden’s war, not mine. I’m only here to stop it, not to continue. This would NEVER have happened if I were president. I know exactly what I’m doing, and I don’t need the advice of people who have been working on all these conflicts for years and have never been able to do anything to stop them. They are “STUPID” people, without common sense, intelligence and understanding, and they only complicate the CORRECTION of the current catastrophe with Russia and Ukraine. Despite all my frivolous and very jealous critics, I will do it – I always do it!” (c) Trump

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 20:42 utc | 218

Many conveniently forget that Trump started the war in his first term;
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 19:56 utc | 203
Indeed. For example Lavrov keeps saying it was created by Biden. They also forget who broke all agreements. Now they’re reading a given script like their “brother” actor across the border.
Also this official data appeared: tass.com/politics/2004875
“over 1,800 foreigners have applied for temporary residence permits, and 1,300 relevant decisions have been made. Germany (369 people), Latvia (185), the US (163), France (136), Italy (133), Estonia (87), Great Britain (87), South Korea (78), Canada (78), Lithuania (64)”
So this was the big large mega movement the talking heads of yt kept talking about?

Posted by: rk | Aug 19 2025 20:43 utc | 219

There is no way that Putin is going to meet with Zelensky prior to the details of a peace deal being publicly agreed to by Ukraine.
Even then, he may not.

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Aug 19 2025 20:46 utc | 220

An Eyewitness to the US Coup d’état in Ukraine Tells the Truth

This is the text of a speech given by Bernard Casey, member of ROCOR, in 2017. It gives a fascinating, personal view of the events of the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine and the beginning of the crisis which still grips us today. Written by an insider to the tragic events, this article is a must-read for anyone seeking to understand the truth. Bernard also contributed a post on dealing with Russophobia and improving U.S.-Russian relations.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 19 2025 20:49 utc | 221

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 19 2025 11:41 utc | 47
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Feeding the mouth of the many in the Outlaw US of A could not, [cannot] come without strings attached, could it?

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 20:54 utc | 222

Posted by: BlindSpot | Aug 19 2025 18:58 utc | 190
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Eventually, I’m quite sure the US will succeed in designing a decent hypersonic interceptor but…at what cost(lol).
A single Patriot interceptor costs more than 1 million dollars, how much for an hypersonic? How many could be produced if we state that the US is lacking Patriot interceptors right now while Russia rains dozen of hypersonics a month and hundreds of of other missile types?

Posted by: scc | Aug 19 2025 20:56 utc | 223

>>> “there are no outright negatives for Russia at the moment.” <<< Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 20:42 utc | 214 . . Well, they are very sparsely populated to the East. And their large neighbor wants lots and lots of that sparsely populated land, and is in effect colonizing it slowly, like Canada, but more, and with a land bridge. Despite the propaganda today about friendship, these 2 have had some periods of sharp military clashes recently. And the one is enjoying the other hung up in Ukraine, for obvious reasons. The Blob is a threat, but Russia has others.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 20:57 utc | 224

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 12:50 utc | 69
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I think you’re missing the BIG picture here as to why the British empire left the EU CIA construct.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 21:03 utc | 225

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 13:30 utc | 83
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Completely agree. EU destiny is to turn East not West. For G sake, Russia is their nearest neighbor.
Best lesson in life – don’t fight your neighbor. You may need him one day.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 21:08 utc | 226

thanks b… i like the quotes you’ve highlighted, especially the one that ends with “Other than that it’s a foolproof plan.” lol.. very true.
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 19:50 utc | 201
she did like john helmers interview with nima earlier… i can’t understand why some are so ambivalent towards helmer. the guy is sharp.. that video is worth it to watch..
@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 20:13 utc | 208
the same poster does both of those.. they constantly change user names too.. i called them out on the moa week in review.. i suspect we will all have to get used to this shit being shared at moa, like a cheap advertisement from walmart or something..
@ Anton Gorbatow | Aug 19 2025 20:46 utc | 217
i agree.. i can’t see it myself either, other then putin getting into theatrics like trump, lol.. i just can’t see it..
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bottom line for me… a continuation of this war is fairly clear.. there is no escape hatch as i see it.. i know i am being pessimistic, but i just can’t see it, however much i would like to be positive.. short of a financial collapse, i think this madness continues..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 21:10 utc | 227

GAWD!!! Ukraine was invaded by the Obama led Outlaw US Empire and his NATO vassals in 2014 after a campaign of destabilization that began on 21 November 2013. It soon became clear the war was aimed at Russian speaking Ukrainians–those known long ago as Rusyns. The Outlaw US Empire was deeply involved in keeping Nazism alive and well in Eastern Europe after WW2 as proven by its own documents. The OUN is the main Nazi-Ukrainian group it kept going which is the core of today’s UkroNazis. Those are the very basic facts from which to procede.
Again, the war was started by Obama, but was long planned by his predecessors, all of whom were Americans. Yes, some aides came from UK and NATO, but the overall project was always American!!.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 21:14 utc | 228

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 17:38 utc | 173
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100% correct!

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 21:22 utc | 229

B: “I assure you, Trump, with his character and persistence, will restore order quite quickly. And all of them, you’ll see, soon all of them will stand at the master’s feet and gently wag their tails,” Putin argued.
How strange, the western merdias failed to report that sentence by Putin…
Instead they shout lie after lie. For examples:
– The Russian Army is suffering huge losses at the front. They never speak about the ukronazis losses.
– The Chechens themselves suffered huge losses, so that now they watch over “occupied” territories. Too bad, they are in Russia, in Briansk Oblast, if I am right.
– The sanctions on Russia begin to have a dramatic effect.
And of course they are dreaming about a ceasefire, ceasefire, ceasefire… And it is all about dreaming of security garanties for the ukronazis but never for Russia. Of course.
And of course Russia is a threat to the european countries.
IQ of those people are below 80 and I am kind.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 21:26 utc | 230

Most times, you have to wait for events, dear boy. Events.
In this case, even if the Blob knows they’ve lost, they still know they can bolster a military presence in Ukraine, with “security guarantees”. That’s what their eurocuck stooges are bleating right now.
That’ll wear off, when the Russians kill off some 10’s of thousands of hohols. Everybody’s giddy now, which is the risk of peace talk. They now have to hear the terms for that from Russia.
Security guarantees for the Blob, or stop the dead hohol production?

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 21:30 utc | 231

@217
Agreed, Putin will never meet with Zelensky. You may be being a bit generous about the possibility of a meeting.

Posted by: Thurl | Aug 19 2025 21:39 utc | 232

Other statements by Lavrov.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2025 20:23 utc | 210
Very well said!

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 21:41 utc | 233

When there is a bilateral in Moscow Zelenski will be seen by the Russians as chief negotiator not as president. But he is incapable and incompetent for negotiations. A bilateral will be a nothingburger…

Posted by: Teraspol | Aug 19 2025 21:44 utc | 234

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 21:14 utc | 225
> It soon became clear the war was aimed at Russian speaking Ukrainians–those known long ago as Rusyns.
No.
Rusyns are Rusyn speaking Eastern Slavs living in Ukraine, Slovakia, Poland and Serbia.
Rusyn language is a bit different from Russian. Like Spanish from Portuguese I guess.
Russian speaking Ukrainians are simply Russians. Some of them are Jews though. 😉

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 19 2025 21:50 utc | 235

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 20:57 utc | 221
Stupid chinophobic comments typical of the western propaganda.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 21:59 utc | 236

everyone in that main photo in that room is a war-monger & a war-criminal and
should be on trial at The Hague for all their
war crimes and crimes against humanity
they have all contributed to the deaths, starvation, disappearance and maiming/disability of perhaps at least 1 1/2 million in Ukraine and in Palestine/Gaza
fock them all!!

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 19 2025 22:01 utc | 237

i can’t understand why some are so ambivalent towards helmer. the guy is sharp.. that video is worth it to watch..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 21:10 utc | 224
Yes, fair enough, I find JH to be much sharper and more on point in his video interviews; some of his written work kind of shows he’s sharp, just pointing in the wrong direction sometimes, which is why personally I can’t give him a 100% pass.
As in all these things though, it’s “horses for courses”…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 238

I was very disturbed at Putin’s assessment of Trump as standing firm against the Europeans. He really hasn’t learned the pathology of Trump who will take every step to appear successful, including feigning and fawning where it suits his own interests. Trump was faced with an implacable Putin in Anchorage so adopted a passive mode, appearing to discard Zelensky and the Europeans. Now Trump is pulling the same stunt with them, playing both ends against the middle and adding US involvement features that Putin would reject such as possible US security air cover for Ukraine.
The key one here is a Trump request for Putin to meet Zelensky which apparently Putin is considering. This would be a disaster. I cannot state this clearly enough: THERE IS NO GOOD FAITH FROM ZZELENSKY, THE EUROPEANS OR TRUMP. They will take any Zelensky-Putin meeting as an affirmation of the political legitimacy of Zelensky. The Europeans and Western media will doubly down on every propaganda falsehood in order to undermine any peace agreement.
Putin should be insisting that Zelensky, as the author of multiple war crimes in the Eastern provinces, must resign and another Ukrainian leader meet Putin accompanied by a written undertaking for the conduct of independently supervised elections in Ukraine prior to the signing of any peace agreement. Further, Ukraine’s insistence on a return of all Ukrainian territories must be disavowed before any leadership meeting takes place otherwise what is the point. The propaganda war will continue.
Putin must not meet Zelensky. A fatal mistake.

Posted by: Damien | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 239

this talk of a meeting with z and putin is just so stupid.. z is irrelevant… it is constantly mentioned in the western press including rt news… what would a talk with z accomplish?? nothing.. the guy is a paid idiot..
or is the idea to humiliate putin and continue to suggest to the world the conflict is between russia/ukraine instead of russia/nato?? i suppose that works to maintain the narrative, but at some point the propaganda has to give way to reality.. we’re not their yet, obviously..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 240

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 19:50 utc | 201
You mean by documents? I have a few but that would not make the case in a court room…but one could easily held a circumstantial evidence trial against him and his bagage…And because you mentioned Helmer, you can read his books about the Trojan Horse…You will find plenty of evidence there as well…I don’t like Helmer because for what he was in the 90’s, but when it comes to The jewish-neoliberal clown, he is right for the most part.
To put it briefly: The rise of the Russian Federation over the past 25 years has occurred not BECAUSE OF, but DESPITE Putin… In almost every key sector of the economy, even the military, he has been the brake and obstructionist, not the accelerator…Again, read Helmer…
And the oil thing is just a tiny fight against Aliyev, his wife and the clan…

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 241

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 235
thanks.. no one i perfect, but he has many very clear insights and a unique position to comment on all this from.. i appreciate your posts..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:08 utc | 242

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 19:24 utc | 195
Thank you, karlof1! (I will read pepe’s article at the Cradle next.) The discussion was so much assisted by the presence of Marandi (even though I loved the Normandy backdrop for Pepe).
I had a question myself, the comparison being made between the photo in the Oval Office and what would be one of the members of the SCO where Marandi is — Tienjian? — could there be somehow a distinction made between the EU now and what had been before it, the European Common Market? I didn’t know anything about anything during the latter, but my memory is simply a positive one, it having been all about trade.
(No worries if that is a silly question.)

Posted by: juliania | Aug 19 2025 22:11 utc | 243

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 22:07 utc | 238
And one more fucking liar at the bar. These morons must be completely desperate.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 22:14 utc | 244

Blah blah blah. Look, the US is walking.
Putin told Trump Russia has invested in deep military, civilian and infrastructure projects, calculating a 10-20% survival rate.
The US cannot match that, therefore they would not be able to resist a Chinese or Indian invasion from the southern border. Game over, no more USA.
Alternatively, the USA can team up with Russia in joint Artic scientific and development projects, advancing the interests of both countries and humanity in general.
All that is required is to cut Europe loose, to allow them to close the chapter on their all too brief 500 years of dominance.
Even better, all the capital and brain power departs for the USA, leaving Europe to be ravaged by the invading armies already encamped within those countries.
This is the kind of hard ball, no nonsense types of conversations I would expect Trump would appreciate just to make sure everyone was on the same page.
At the end of the day, after all the preaching about kumbaya and fair play, it always comes down to might makes right. You wanna play in the bigs, then you better have game.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 19 2025 22:15 utc | 245

> “Stupid chinophobic comments typical of the western propaganda.” <<< Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 21:59 utc | 233 . . No, data isn't phobic. It's just data, immutable data, unlike your trash.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 22:18 utc | 246

Russian speaking Ukrainians are simply Russians…
Posted by: hopehely | Aug 19 2025 21:50 utc | 232
In Canadian media, in the lead-up to the start of the SMO, those Russian speakers in the east of Ukraine rejecting the 2014 coup regime were described as “pro-Russian” separatists – a curious use of language designed, one supposes, to de-humanize them (given the feverish Russophobia already pre-programmed over many years) as a way to justify bombing and killing them.
The same Canadian media never (idiotically) called the separatists in Quebec “pro-Quebecois” or “pro-French”. They were just “separatists” who for some churlish, inexplicable reason were dastardly, anti-Canadian villains.

Posted by: NH | Aug 19 2025 22:23 utc | 247

LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2025 20:23 utc | 210
Thank you LYFH for citing the Lavrov conditions. Very reassuring that the Russians have their heads screwed on. One can only hope that they stand firm.

Posted by: Damien | Aug 19 2025 22:23 utc | 248

speaking of idiots… bbc quote –
“We’re going to find out about President Putin in the next couple of weeks,” he said on Tuesday. “It’s possible that he doesn’t want to make a deal.”
from the ”lets make a deal” president, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:25 utc | 249

@ NH | Aug 19 2025 22:23 utc | 244
canuck media = hopeless propaganda outlet essentially..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:26 utc | 250

if anyone wants to follow lavrov closely, i can’t recommend karls substack more strongly.. sign up and get karls articles.. extremely useful.

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:28 utc | 251

craig murray commenting on the picture b shared and more..
Ukraine 18
August 19, 2025 i

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:31 utc | 252

The hidden reason why Trump wants peace talks with Russia is the restart of intermediate range land based missiles deployment by Russia after 38 years. USA exited the INF Treaty in 2019. For whatever reason it took another 6 years for Russia to ditch it.
Now it’s game on. Russia will use intermediate range missiles to destroy Ukraine and also deploy them, coupled with nukes, against Europe. This releases Russian strategic nuclear warheads to be deployed solely against USA and Canada. It’s no secret that Russia had the largest stock of tactical nukes. They are perfect for intermediate range missiles. The threat level faced by USA suddenly went up.
But wait there’s more. China aims most of its nukes at USA and the numbers are rising rapidly. USA is under the worst nuclear threat it has been and the threat level keeps worsening.
This is what pushed Trump for peace. It’s about USA, not about Ukraine. And he is losing.
Putin doesn’t have to do much. USA and China are at a military equilibrium. Russia gets to decide the tipping point and in whose favor. What a plan!

Posted by: Jason | Aug 19 2025 22:33 utc | 253

You wanna play in the bigs, then you better have game.
@ Markw | Aug 19 2025 22:15 utc | 242
You’re right. Now USA, Emperor Orange in particular, faces the problem: How to maintain the pretense of unipolarity while totally running out of weapons?
USrael, like “Israel,” has little left aside from nukes (if our missiles can even get through anymore) to threaten the RoW with. By tomorrow, His Volatile Highness will be back to grave theatrical threats against Putin; no more Mr Buddy Buddy by the weekend at the latest, make my words.
He got no other game than bluster, and maybe nukes. Not good, imho.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 19 2025 22:35 utc | 254

Hilarious! A massive Ukrainian drone assault on Russia is occurring right now.
but…what about Trump’s peace? LOL
Trump called Orban to ask him why he is obstructing Ukraine from joining the EU.
This will be over when Russia is destroyed or NATO is destroyed. No sooner no economic deals will change the dynamics. This is two hungry and feral dogs locked in the same pen.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:36 utc | 255

Here’s one alternative to the proposed Putin-Zelensky meeting. The Russian government accepts a meeting with any other Ukraine official BUT NEVER ZELENSKY, citing his lack of elected political legitimacy, his endorsement of atrocities in the Eastern regions, his insistence on complete Russian abandonment of all acquired territories and his requests for missiles to attack inside Russia.
Russia insists “we will meet but never with Zelensky.”

Posted by: Damien | Aug 19 2025 22:37 utc | 256

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 22:18 utc | 243
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You lie constantly and then talk about data.
Would you perchance be Jewish?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:38 utc | 257

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 15:36 utc | 131
This should make everyone’s day:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/matt-gaetz-solution-ukraine-war-134643983.html
The Independent “Matt Gaetz has the solution for the Ukraine War: Make Russia part of NATO”
<= I like this solution.. get as many news outlets as possible into the information space.. and expose the atrocities being conducted by those who have been elected, appointed or placed in jobs to block people's access to accurate and full disclosure information. The USE of the awesome powers of the nation state to promote the wealth and social prominence of the few must be stopped.. The nation state system(the political system) must be contained and restrained by human rights. It is the duty of every living human to assist in maintaining that containment and enforcing that restraint. It is a crime against everyone when a leader of any government or a leader of any of its institutions [corporations, partnerships, NGOs, think tanks, military, etc.) seek to influence, order, demand or lead in ways that threaten or infringe human rights.
Life on this earth is decided at the interface between the un inalienable human rights and the rights of leaders to use their monopoly powers in ways that infringe the un inalienable human rights.
Over time man has wrenched himself free of despotic leadership (no Pope, no King, and courts with juries of our peers) and raised his expected quality of life by invention and discovery. All of that progress will be loss if we, the global humanity, fail to contain those in charge of the major institutions (governments and corporations and wealth vested in a few people). Mankind must deny everyone the use of monopoly power when that use threatens the un inalienable human rights.
The American Declaration of Independence addresses this progress.. ” whenever any form of government becomes destructive to the [ un-inalienable rights of mankind] .., it is the right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new..
The significant improvements mankind made up to 1776 when these words of defiance were written (French Revolution 1779 also) recognized the significant progress man-kind had made. It asserted that nothing on this earth should be allowed if that something does not protect all humans equally, if that something does not advance mankinds ability to better control his environment, if that something does not deliver the expectation of a better and continued life to each living person on this earth. We are all on this earth together. We need to work together to make our lives better and to continuously improve our prospects for a better life for ourselves AWA for those who we expect to follow.

Posted by: snake | Aug 19 2025 22:38 utc | 258

canuck media = hopeless propaganda outlet essentially..
Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:26 utc | 247
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Another example:
When Nelson Mandela was released from Victor Verster prison in Cape Town after 28 years in jail, his speech was edited by the “paper of record” (Globe&Mail) from the following:
Mandela: (paraphrased)
“… thanks to the churches who spoke up when all others were silenced.”
to read this:
Mandela: “… thanks to the churches who spoke up when all others were silent.”
Change one word and the meaning is radically different. I knew then, as I do now, that the MSM cannot be trusted at all. They are a disgrace.

Posted by: NH | Aug 19 2025 22:40 utc | 259

@ snake | Aug 19 2025 22:38 utc | 255
good idea.. putin thought so too, which is why he asked to join a long time ago.. but then that would defeat the whole purpose of nato, wouldn’t it?? keep russia out, germany down and usa on top.. that remains the agenda and nothing has changed here.. too bad more people can’t see who and what the idea was being the nato design..
i essentially agree with @ 252 lovedonbass last paragraph.. it is either nato is over or russia is over.. that is putting it starkly..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:42 utc | 260

Speaking of crypto-Jews, here is Trump

🔊Netanyahu is a ‘WAR HERO…I guess I am too’ – Trump
Do you agree with the US president?

audio clip from RT
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1957935047979266124
Now I understand why MAGAs are so deluded. Their hero is insane.
Only an American could be a war hero by having never fought, but killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with starvation from thousands of miles away.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:43 utc | 261

@ NH | Aug 19 2025 22:40 utc | 256
i live in canada and have seen the same thing… cheers to you – keeping your eyes and ears awake and not being bamboozled by the media..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 22:44 utc | 262

M’kay, looks as if there might be some sock-puppets about, so I’m out. Any posts using my ID are fake news, until at least 1100 utc tomorrow.
Goodnight, sleep tight,and may your particular choice of god go with you.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 22:45 utc | 263

@ hopehely | Aug 19 2025 21:50 utc | 232
This corresponds with my admittedly limited experience:I once knew a family that referred to themselves as Rusyns or Ruthenians; the (grand)paterfamilias came from Khust.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 19 2025 22:47 utc | 264

YetAnotherAnon | Aug 19 2025 15:17 utc | 12
…families have shifted from the City of London and Wall Street to Shanghai, have they?…
Yes.
Interesting you chose Shanghai. Because it has long been a center for infiltrating China. And the Brits hated handing back Hong Kong.
Who was Mao’s main advisor?
Sidney Rittenberg.

The Chinese Believe That the Jews Control America. Is That a Good Thing?
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/nanjing-jewish-studies
Extracts:
………> Jews were not exactly strangers to China.
Jews likely first arrived in China via the Silk Road almost 1,000 years ago.
In the mid-19th century, following the Opium Wars, Iraqi Jews settled alongside British traders in Shanghai, where many made their fortunes.
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A Jew in Mao’s China
Laura Goldman 2012

Until I saw the documentary “The Revolutionary” at the Philadelphia Independent Film Festival, I mistakenly thought that China during the revolutionary period was one country that had not felt the Jewish embrace.
In fact, 85 to 90% of the foreigners helping the Chinese at the time of the Communist takeover were Jewish.
This included the daughter of the founder of the brokerage firm Goldman Sachs, who left the comfort of her Park Avenue home to assist the Chinese.
>…… The Mandarin-speaking Rittenberg, who was initially sent to China by the US Army at the time of Japan’s surrender at the end of World War II, became an influential advisor to Mao Zedong and to the first premier of the People’s Republic of China, Zhou Enlai.
His pivotal role at the Broadcast Authority, explaining the Communist Chinese point of view to America, earned him a higher salary than Chairman Mao.

https://forward.com/schmooze/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 19 2025 22:48 utc | 265

Putin in Alaska at the graves of Soviet soldiers, symbolism explained:

Right after the press conference with Trump: Putin laid flowers on the grave of Soviet pilots in Alaska who died during World War II.
To consider: a president of a non-communist country gratefully remembers the Soviet communist heroes, thereby emphasizing that history is not sold off or rejected, but must be treated with the utmost respect. At the same time, without shame, he shows that he is the leader of a great Christian Orthodox country; in fact, in front of each grave, following the Orthodox rite, he makes the sign of the cross and a bow, which Orthodox Christians do as a symbol of the union of destinies, “my cross is your cross, we are united in the love of Christ”—as taught by Patriarch Job. Also, observe how Putin places the flowers: he lowers himself to the grave bending only his right knee. An ancient gesture of Christian Orthodox warriors meaning “I express respect but not submission,” as even before God they did not fully kneel.
“>https://t.me/nicolaililin/10958

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 19 2025 22:51 utc | 266

No, data isn’t phobic. It’s just data, immutable data, unlike your trash.
Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 22:18 utc | 243
You have no data. So that trash is on your side.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 22:51 utc | 267

Now I understand why MAGAs are so deluded. Their hero is insane.
Only an American could be a war hero by having never fought, but killing hundreds of thousands of civilians with starvation from thousands of miles away.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:43 utc | 258
Great!
Now beware crazy Bill!

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 22:53 utc | 268

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:38 utc | 254
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Why don’t you do us both a favor and leave my name out of the diarrhea streams you post, cretin.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 22:54 utc | 269

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 22:51 utc | 264
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Kid, if “no you” is the substance of your post, you should save yourself the trouble. It’s trash.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 22:57 utc | 270

Posted by: Jason | Aug 19 2025 22:33 utc | 250
Well, adding the nukes of Russia, China and Korea… here we are… and increasing…
What can the yankeeland do? Wait? Threaten? Useless.
If not already, China will be soon untouchable.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 23:05 utc | 271

In today’s episode, we delve into the historic Alaska Summit, exploring the origins of the war and identifying those accountable. We also dissect the intricate balance between reality and propaganda. Stay tuned for a deep dive into these critical topics.
https://armedforces.press/ukraine-sitrep-end-game-with-pete-blaber-8-19-25/

Posted by: Panther | Aug 19 2025 23:06 utc | 272

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 22:38 utc | 254
More likely french. Go figure, he makes himself a nuisance. And of course ad personam fallacies. The typical propaganda dreaming to split the Federation of Russia. Like that other woman troll.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 19 2025 23:10 utc | 273

I’ve been saying since the start of the conflict that this ends one of three ways:
1) Russia engages NATO directly and NATO gets scared and backs off
2) Russia engages NATO directly and all hell breaks loose
3) Russia surrenders or signs a Minsk-3
The hypothetical fourth option, where Russia finishes off the Ukraine and forces everyone to accept it, seems very unlikely. If the Russians get past the Dniepr, NATO would intervene directly, leading to 1) or 2).

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:15 utc | 274

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 19 2025 22:47 utc | 261
> I once knew a family that referred to themselves as Rusyns or Ruthenians; the (grand)paterfamilias came from Khust.
Ruthenia is actually Russia in Latin. For Latinos all Eastern Slavs are Russians of some sort…
OTOH, the official name of Russia came from Greek, Rossia.
The name of town Khust reminded me of a fun fact: Noam Chomsky should be pronounced as Khomsky.
That Ch is how Germans write Kh sound.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 19 2025 23:20 utc | 275

Well, they are very sparsely populated to the East. And their large neighbor wants lots and lots of that sparsely populated land, and is in effect colonizing it slowly, like Canada, but more, and with a land bridge. Despite the propaganda today about friendship, these 2 have had some periods of sharp military clashes recently. And the one is enjoying the other hung up in Ukraine, for obvious reasons.
The Blob is a threat, but Russia has others.
Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 20:57 utc | 221
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These lies (without supporting data) are pernicious among Americans online.
Which sharp military clashes have Russia and China had in 30 years?
China and Russia are integrated in a manner Americans cannot fathom.
Maria Zakharova speaks fluent Chinese and is referred to as “Auntie” on Chinese social media.
Lukashenko’s son studies in China, and Belarus has very close ties with Beijing.
America has no such ally as close as China and Russia. Between the two of them, they have no use for the West at all.
Americans are always trying to cope with British-style divide and rule, but that won’t work as long as Putin and Xi are alive and in office.
This “you fight him” stuff is very feminine and gay, but then so are many American online commentators.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:26 utc | 276

@ hopehely | Aug 19 2025 23:20 utc | 272
one of the big distinctions between orthodox and catholic, or roman church was the use of greek or latin language.. i will let you guess which one used which.. i am presently reading a book by graham fuller – a world without islam – where he discusses this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 23:28 utc | 277

RE: “no more Mr Buddy Buddy by the weekend at the latest, make my words.”
Agree.
I’ll still buy you a beer, even if it lasts till Tuesday. 🍻
“He got no other game than bluster, and maybe nukes. Not good, imho.”
I’ve always guessed the “tactical nuke” test will come via UK/USReal side of things. The U.S. has more to lose.
But either way, the envelope will get pushed by someone.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 19 2025 22:35 utc | 251

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 23:29 utc | 278

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:26 utc | 273
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More diarrhea flow to skip, troll.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 23:29 utc | 279

the christian bible was written in a type of greek, not latin.. forgot to mention that as well..

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 23:29 utc | 280

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:15 utc | 271
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What can NATO do?
Their weapons and tactics suck. Their armies are too small and their countries are bankrupt. Their stockpiles are depleted.
Ukraine is NATO-trained and regularly supplemented with NATO officers. NATO is like the IDF. Useless in a real fight.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:32 utc | 281

Nothing changed due to yesterday’s meetings.

But wasn’t Alaska supposed to signify Trump was now cutting Ukraine loose, now negotiating a general peace settlement for Russia? If that was actually the case, Trump has dodged the challenge of actually doing that despite this being an ideal opportunity to start. Dodging such an opportunity (as he has dodged actually withdrawing for his whole term) compels honest observers to ask, does he really want to end the war on Russia? As near as I can tell, his vision of peace with Russia includes, well, basically, submission on energy and MENA, at the very least.

The plan is for the US to sell weapons to the Europeans, who will then provide them to Kiev. However, the US doesn’t have the weapons to sell, the Europeans don’t have the money to buy, and Kiev doesn’t have the soldiers to use them. Other than that it’s a foolproof plan.

This seems to be a quote from Alexander G. Rubio, who is completely unknown to me. In one sense it is captivatingly concise and realistic. In another sense, it seems to forget that such a comedy can perfectly well serve as a cover. The military and three letter agencies continue directing the war, Europe ponies up enough to keep some fragments going and the Ukrainians drag things out for another year or two, and when the line totally collapses Russia may still not have enough troops in the SMO. We know what Trump care about, it’s Liberation Day (economic warfare at whim) and the Big Beautiful Bill (more tax cuts for the rich plus the bonus of long term cuts in Medicaid and Medicare too.) That’s Trump’s so-called character and persistence. (Putin’s remarks strike me as second rate, fixated on personalities but devoid of policies.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 19 2025 23:32 utc | 282

The new front will be Venezuela.
The US needs a country to throw against the wall.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 23:35 utc | 283

RE: Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:15 utc | 271
Agree.
All 3 options viable and in play.
Only disagree with NATO entering upon Dnieper being penetrated.
NATO could care a less if Russia goes to the Poland Border, they are already readying their next proxy nation to throw as cannon fodder against Russia. The goal is keep Russians dying and at war, tie them down for years if possible.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 23:38 utc | 284

What can NATO do?
A lot. I would not underestimate them. There is a reason why Russia is being so cautious with them.
For one, they can bring in direct air support to attack Russian forces in the Ukraine. If they want to escalate further, they can launch hundreds or thousands of missiles and drones at Russia proper from their territory.

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:39 utc | 285

To put it in other words, who cares if Trump (indistinguishable here from Putin) humiliates Europe? It doesn’t change a single square centimeter of land in Ukraine, for either side. It is I think a mistake to confuse symbolism with real victory. Praising Trump for ordering the Europeans to change their budgets to 5% military spending, but that’s OK since Trump (Putin) are embarrassing the leaders? Seriously, symbols matter more than material reality?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 19 2025 23:41 utc | 286

@ steven t johnson | Aug 19 2025 23:41 utc | 283
Can you point out where, in this discussion, anyone talks about Trump achieving victory?

Posted by: boneless | Aug 19 2025 23:46 utc | 287

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 23:35 utc | 280
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The tactics of the color revolution are dated. Everybody knows them. The State and NGO funding is getting squeezed at both ends recently. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen, but the Blob didn’t flip Venezuala years ago, and it’d be tougher now.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 23:47 utc | 288

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 19 2025 23:41 utc | 283
> Praising Trump for ordering the Europeans to change their budgets to 5% military spending
It is 5% of GDP, which makes about 50% of the budget. HALF of budget should go to a ‘protection’ racket.
The fact that media do not emphasize that is yet another evidence how corrupt lying sellouts they are.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 19 2025 23:49 utc | 289

For one, they can bring in direct air support to attack Russian forces in the Ukraine. If they want to escalate further, they can launch hundreds or thousands of missiles and drones at Russia proper from their territory.
Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:39 utc | 282
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Yes, do it! Test Russia’s integrated air defenses.
Launch those non-hypersonic missiles.
Russia is launching swarms of nearly 1,000 drones every day right now.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:50 utc | 290

Re: The new front will be Venezuela.
The US needs a country to throw against the wall.
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 23:35 utc | 280
Agree, but ME looking pretty bad.
Was reading some articles today. One was about how Russia agreed to secure Syrian Border where Kurds are, that allowed US Al Tanf Base to move up into Iraq (Turkey has other Border)
The U.S. calls this a “transition” force, which increased their Iraqi forces.
This pissed Iraq off as they have a commitment from 2020 that US was supposed to leave 4-5 bases in September of 2025.
But instead of leaving, they intend to increase forces in the other bases. They promised this “transition” force from Syria will only be there 4 weeks.
Which again, put it in September.
In other words… there are many reasons Israel will attack Iran again by September end.
And every movement of Iran tells me they are readying /mobilizing every resistance force in the Middle East, Iraq, Yemen, Hezbollah & a myriad of others I don’t know, to respond and hoist US troops out of ME.
Will be an ugly war. And Russia will either help US/USReal or stay neutral, but will be of no assistance to the resistance groups. However, China will.
So, Venezuela will prolly have to wait a bit..

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 23:50 utc | 291

Since America crapped the bed against Iran and Yemen this year, NATO is no threat to Russia.
They dream of fighting China one day LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:55 utc | 292

“GAWD!!! Ukraine was invaded by the Obama led Outlaw US Empire and his NATO vassals in 2014 after a campaign of destabilization that began on 21 November 2013.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 21:14 utc | 225
I feel the same frustration as you do when I see so many people arguing whether it was Trump or Biden who “started the war”. Ignoring Obama, Nuland, Pyatt, long-established CIA bases, all the rest. Excellent post.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 19 2025 23:56 utc | 293

Posted by: james | Aug 19 2025 23:29 utc | 277
> the christian bible was written in a type of greek
According to Nietzsche, in bad Greek.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 20 2025 0:01 utc | 294

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 19 2025 22:48 utc | 262
The “preview” option available before posting a new message to the forum is helpful to avoid things like that.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 20 2025 0:07 utc | 295

RT: “Since America crapped the bed against Iran and Yemen this year, “
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 23:55 utc | 289
So did Turkey & Russia.
Russia will toss NATO out of EU
Iran will toss US out of ME
Turkey will do what it does best.
Wait to see where the winning chips land…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 20 2025 0:07 utc | 296

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 19 2025 23:35 utc | 280
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I mentioned that recently.
It will be a huge mistake. Venezuela is armed and has substantial militias.
Someone told a story in a podcast (Garland Nixon, IIRC) about SEALs sent to take out Maduro, but local Venezuelan fishermen spotted them, grabbed their weapons, and killed all of the SEALs.
Russia has been flying regular transport flights to Venezuela lately.
Venezuela would be a disaster for Trump.
But hey, it’s Imperial decline, it’s time to be bold and creative!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 20 2025 0:07 utc | 297

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 19 2025 12:36 utc | 62
Jesus Christ. It’s like you read my mind.
Looking forward to a Nuremberg2.

Posted by: Original Newbie | Aug 20 2025 0:14 utc | 298

Posted by: Donbass Lives Matter | Aug 19 2025 23:39 utc | 282
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No, NATO can’t fire from outside Ukraine without Russia returning fire, and they know it. The Blob won’t trigger that, and I doubt the eurocucks would go for it. That could bring on revolution.

Posted by: seer | Aug 20 2025 0:15 utc | 299

EuroNATO and Zelensky are in the business of making waffles. They live increasingly in fantasy land.

Posted by: George | Aug 20 2025 0:24 utc | 300

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