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August 19, 2025
Ukraine – Trump Continues To Humiliate Europe

Nothing changed due to yesterday's meetings.

Ukraine offers $100bn weapons deal to Trump to win security guarantees (archived) – Financial Times, Aug 19 2025

Ukraine will promise to buy $100bn of American weapons financed by Europe in a bid to obtain US guarantees for its security after a peace settlement with Russia, according to a document seen by the Financial Times.

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Alexander G. Rubio @AlexanderGRubi2 – 2:22 UTC · Aug 19, 2025

The plan is for the US to sell weapons to the Europeans, who will then provide them to Kiev. However, the US doesn’t have the weapons to sell, the Europeans don’t have the money to buy, and Kiev doesn’t have the soldiers to use them. Other than that it's a foolproof plan.

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[Putin] noted that these individuals have “happily carried out any order from the president in Washington under Biden,” but “got confused when Trump suddenly won” the November election.

“They just don’t like Trump, they actively fought him, interfered in political life, in the US election… Trump has different ideas about what is good and what is bad, including in gender policy, in some other issues, and they don’t like it,” Putin said. […]

“I assure you, Trump, with his character and persistence, will restore order quite quickly. And all of them, you’ll see, soon all of them will stand at the master’s feet and gently wag their tails,” Putin argued.

European leaders will ‘wag tails’ for Trump – Putin – RT, Feb 2 2025

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Arnaud Bertrand @RnaudBertrand – 7:48 UTC · Aug 19, 2025

This is beyond parody: not only is the EU doing virtually nothing to escape the protection racket it's under with the US, it's now supposed to pay for Ukraine's…

All the more absurd when one considers that NATO expansion – the institutionalization of this protection racket – was the primary catalyst for this conflict.

Posted by b on August 19, 2025 at 08:40 UTC | Permalink
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I wonder who is providing security for Z these days. The Brits?
Underneath all the fuss and diplomatic kabuki the only meaningful change is Ukraine’s deteriorating military situation. The conflict will continue.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 14:17 utc | 101

Putin continues to call every player in his lil black book (except Iran), to inform them of the “results” of the Alaskan meeting.
Yet, doesn’t bother to inform his own citizens.
What are the “results”?? Exactly?
Must be something… other than the usual. “We presented our case, and forged a perimeter”…”or we agreed upon” sorry, but even in Putin lingo, that’s not a “result” worth calling everyone (except Iran) up to tout about.
Honestly, most of these calls seem BRIC related (except Iran) so maybe in truth, they are moving ahead with some payment mechanism that will foolproof Russian oil market.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 14:17 utc | 102

@Apollyon | Aug 19 2025 12:49 utc | 67
Make it “I have the Trump card”

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2025 14:17 utc | 103

Many are happy because in their eyes “Europeans were humiliated yesterday” at the WH , I don’t see it this way.
In reality Donnie didn’t push back on anything.
When Mertz was pushing for a ceasefire , Donnie could have stopped him by saying there will be no ceasefire .
Instead of telling cokehead that Ukraine should hold an election, Donnie chose to make jokes about it .
The same as PR optics with the phone call to Putin , finish your meeting and then hold a phone call.
Did he stop European from coming, no but he could have easily said my invitation is only to Zelensky.
And today he is saying Russia will be good with European military forces ( NATO countries) as guarantors.
Yesterday was nothing more nothing less as a performance by really bad actors.

Posted by: Dagny Taggart | Aug 19 2025 14:19 utc | 104

“The meetings will continue until morale improves.”
Bad enough seeing the photo. How many barflies would projectile vomit if forced to attend?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 19 2025 14:24 utc | 105

RE: Yesterday was nothing more nothing less as a performance by really bad actors.
Posted by: Dagny Taggart | Aug 19 2025 14:19 utc | 103
Agreed.
The only thing accomplished was to call a ceasefire— a peace agreement— and do as they were planning to do with a ceasefire.
Oh the plots and schemes…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 14:25 utc | 106

I will agree with posters above suggesting Zelensky’s companion is a translator. The boy also looks a lot like a gay prostitute.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 19 2025 14:02 utc | 95
If so, Starmer might be underneath him! Hurr durr

Posted by: VtObserver | Aug 19 2025 14:28 utc | 107

“EU did not bad before the Ukraine affair.
It’s shure not perfect but it was after the sanctions against Russia and ban of China, probably required by USA that things started going south.
By the way UK that is no more EU is going the same path if not worst.”
Mario (69).
On the above – for me the “Ukraine Affair” exposed what was already lurking in the corridors of Brussels, corruption, authoritarianism and Atlanticism.
As for Britain, its Grima Wormtongue, meaning its full of lies and deceit – it practices colonialism, asset stealing – it kowtows to the USA and Israel, it has a deep hatred of Russia, its now an on the way down authoritarian regime, that needs broken up – Scotland has several bodies at the UN right now trying to get Scotland into the C-24 group of decolonistation.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 19 2025 14:28 utc | 108

From The Hill (newspaper, online):

Later in the day, Trump said he spoke to Putin about arranging a time for a meeting between Putin and Zelensky.
The president said a trilateral meeting, which he would join, would follow sometime after.
“After that meeting takes place, we will have a Trilat, which would be the two Presidents, plus myself,” he posted on Truth Social. “Again, this was a very good, early step for a War that has been going on for almost four years.”

I get the impression that initially, Trump is trying to get Putin to accept Zelensky as legitimate representative of Ukraine.
And Trump is dangling something in front of Putin which he finds very desirable.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 14:30 utc | 109

Did any of the European ‘leaders’ affirm assent to recognition of new borders? Did they mention releasing the stolen Russian funds? Did they agree that the Ukraine would be demilitarized, denazified and permanently neutral?
Did Trump get anything productive out of them?

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 19 2025 14:31 utc | 110

During the 1990s, Europe had more autonomy than it does now. This means it has gone backward – retrogression…
Posted by: USSA Empire Of Lies | Aug 19 2025 9:02 utc | 5

In politics, progression and retrogression are subjective terms. IMHO the regional and global oligarchies would prefer to see the erosion of the power of individual democratic nation states in favor of a technocratic government structure like the EU. Populist nationalist rebellion against the EU has not fared well recently. Romania, France, Germany, etc. have all seen measures to thwart the chances of populist candidates. Orban’s Hungary is now in their crosshairs.
The problem of democracy is frequently (mis)attributed to Churchill: “The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter.”
Would limiting who can vote based on passing a basic civics exam solve the problem?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 19 2025 14:33 utc | 111

Unless or when the deal is printed on paper, it’s all a nothingburger.
There is not a clear outcome from the Alaskan summit and nothing out of the Washington one just enough for anyone to say anything.
This whole thing will be memory holed in a few days until the next big ‘thing’.
Meanwhile business goes on as usual.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 14:40 utc | 112

Mario@111
Yup

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 14:41 utc | 113

Like I’ve said on several occasions countries in the EU, its citizens must rise up and remove their pro-Israel/US/Ukraine politicians – and just as important, they must help destroy the EU as a body, its now a authoritarian body, making decisions that are hurting its own people – and any notable persons or leaders that speaks out about this within the EU are slammed, and issued with veiled threats.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 19 2025 9:42 utc | 15
That goes for the entire west, but it won’t work without a class appeal and class conscious leadership. Protest in the west, as we’ve seen achieves nothing anymore. Only those with the power to shut down the economy have the power to bring these crack head political elites and their billionaire backers to heal.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 14:42 utc | 114

The attempts on the Crimean bridge have returned to car/truck bombs – trying to return to the early success with this, as missiles and drones have proved to be generally ineffective.
Terrorism and sabotage seem the only means of PR success these days.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 14:46 utc | 115

https://www.youtube.com/live/__g35vguwzw?si=SBFDRzIsYFsiMbgu
I don’t like Helmer at all, but here he is right once..

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 14:48 utc | 116

>>> “Meanwhile business goes on as usual.” <<< Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 14:40 utc | 111 . . Correct. The hohols die until they decide they want to stop dying. You've missed what Trump and Russia agreed upon.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 14:52 utc | 117

@Republicofscotland 15
That will never happen, at least not in this decade. Maybe in 20 or 30 years, when a new generation has grown up. Too many people in Europe are completely brainwashed by the media and their propaganda, conditioned by mind control and completely submissive to the elites. In addition, too many are dependent on the money of the states. An uprising needs proud, self confidence and courage. Neither of them I can see in Europe.
Posted by: Aarsupilani | Aug 19 2025 12:28 utc | 58
Let them eat cake, right. History has seen this flippant attitude before. But, you’re no royal, so it can’t be flippancy. You just hate your own class and identify with the oppressors. House slave!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 14:57 utc | 118

Trump is pushing an initial meeting between Putin and Zelensky – bilateral.
He says then there might be a trilateral meeting – to include himself.
But yesterday Russia announced an invitation to Trump to meet Putin in Moscow.
So there is something of a disconnect.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 14:57 utc | 119

YetAnotherAnon@71…..the New World Order is not “new” it’s the same fucking families the same bloodlines that rule and have since the mythical asshole broke the fake tablets……divide, conquer, rule…..and it will never ever change as noted; for some it will get better, for some it will get worse and for some good or bad it will be miserable…..happiness being an individual thing….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2025 13:23 utc | 81
Ok. So the term was coined by George Bush the elder. It was a reference to the then unipolar moment following the collapse of the Soviet Union. So, technically the term is dated, as the unipolar moment is long gone.
As for the composition of the ruling class, take another look. I don’t believe all these Israeli billionaires have been with us since time immemorial. Tech billionaires? This is just the sort of frozen in time perspective that is common to those who ignore the constant movement of reality. And it always produces an incorrect perspective.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 15:03 utc | 120

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 14:52 utc | 116
What they have agreed upon?
I’ve seen nothing but a lot of wording both sides.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 15:03 utc | 121

Ahenobarbus (113).
If I recall correctly a revolutions tend to fail – unless the likes of the bourgeoisie middle-classes rise up as well, once they begin to feel the effects of poor governmental decisions, and are economically hit quite hard, they tend to strike out.
Taking France for example I think there were several attempted revolutions in the past, but the 1789 was a successful – with the bourgeoisie middle-classes participating in it.
As you rightly say protest, is now met with beatings and arrests by the military styled police – and complicit judges will imprison you at the blink of an eye, sadly though, most people are far too apathetic to do what needs to be done – to take back their countries from those charlatans, ergo things will on get worse.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 19 2025 15:05 utc | 122

Top story on ZH now links back to MoA 😎

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2025 15:05 utc | 123

@ Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2025 15:05 utc | 122
Get ready.
It takes me back to Spassky/Fischer – so cool.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 15:15 utc | 124

sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2025 13:23 utc | 81
The same families have shifted from the City of London and Wall Street to Shanghai, have they? You can believe that if you wish. Far Eastern countries are very different, culturally and economically.
oldhippie – maybe Z’s translator was a treat for Starmer?

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 19 2025 15:17 utc | 125

Who cares B?
Talk to me after the EU/Euro is disbanded/abandoned, then, if needed, I’ll commiserate with you, until then, I look at Europe as a cautionary tale. Mass migration, most of whom go straight onto the public’s dole. European women being openly raped, while European men are taught that mustn’t stand up as it would be “culturally insensitive”. Entire cultures being subsumed into a cesspool of 8th century barbarism…not by conquest but by quisling intrigue. If “European-leaders” want these wars of aggression [Libya/Syria/ex-ukrainia], let their wealthy master house the refugees in their homes…hmmm? Oh no, none for me all for thee.
I mean Europe, with few exceptions*, is being humiliated by it’s “European-leaders”. From my perspective it would an absolute humiliation to be caught in the same room with these “European-leaders”. Trump is the one being humiliated here…having to be seen with these “leaders”. Pot.Kettle.Black…Cry me a river.
*Only one being there.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 19 2025 15:20 utc | 126

Guardian UK:

Slovak prime minister Robert Fico, who repeatedly clashed with Ukraine in the past and sought to block or delay some EU sanctions on Russia, also spoke in the last few minutes.
In a three-minute video posted on his social media channels, recorded after his participation in the European Council meeting on Ukraine, he insisted that “the first basic prerequisite for ending the conflict is the understanding that Ukraine cannot become a member state of Nato.”
He noted that he expressed this view before, and faced heavy criticism.
He also said:
“Equally important is the factual understanding that without a discussion about territorial changes in Ukraine, no progress can be made,” he said.
He added that he was disappointed that the EU “had to wait for Donald Trump to show us the path towards peace,” praising the US president’s initiative as “enormous personal success.”
Fico also rejected the suggestion that EU countries could take part in buying €100bn-worth of military equipment for Ukraine, saying it sounded “like a bad joke.”
He said he could not imagine a siutation in which Slovakia spends money on US weapons to send them to Ukraine for free.
Unsuprisingly, he’s also “sceptical” about the idea of further sanctions against Russia.
But he said he hoped for peace “as soon as possible” and was ready to support Ukraine’s ambitions to join the European Union instead.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 19 2025 15:21 utc | 127

Russia getting full control of the remainder of Donetsk (and the tiny sliver of Lugansk still in UAF hands) is actually a very good deal. Yes, they have to agree on the other regions “freeze” at the current LOC but it would take them a looong time and a lot of casualties to get the full meal deal.
Think about it. Barring a major strategic collapse on the part of the Ukrainians, it is likely that it will take the RF -at least- a full year or two to fully take all of Donetsk. Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, Konstantinovka, Pokrovsk, Seversk and a zillion villages, towns and industrial sites are all still in Ukrainian hands. That’s a lot of lives the RF will need to give to take all of that. Chasov Yar took almost a year to take.
RF has been on the doorstep of Pokrovsk for months, mostly slowed down not by hordes of Ukrainian infantry dying enmasse but rather almost exclusively drones and drone teams. Warfare has fundamentally changed and so all the old rules and expectations need to be thrown out and a new book written. Which again, no one wants to admit as that means all the smart career people in the room admitting “I don’t know” which is the kiss of death in any organization where perception and optics are more important than actual results.
Fact is, unless there’s a major paradigm shift in the war it will take the RF a lot of time, blood and treasure to fully re-take Donetsk. Never mind even talking about taking Zaporizha or Kherson or God forbid Odessa. Remember, in the last 3 years the biggest city RF was able to take was Mariupol at 400K people and that was with a massive advantage- full encirclement with their besieging forces comfortably safe from outside counter-attack.
“But the constitution says this is part of RF so they MUST continue the war no matter how long!!!” – laws and constitutions can be ammended or changed. There’s lots of possible ways this could be handled with a bit of creativity on both sides. One such option would be turning the remaining parts of Kherson and Zap not in RF hands into some kind of special administrative zone or neutral buffer area with UN peacekeepers for so many years, and a road map for full elections on their future within X number of years etc.
Point is, everyone knows RF can and will take Donetsk it’s just a matter of how long and how much they’ll pay for it. The other regions may cost everyone so much that it’s in the collective best interest of both sides to hash out a deal.
Just saying.

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 19 2025 15:24 utc | 128

I am a little surprised that the issue of the bombing of the druzhba pipeline was not raised at the collective meeting – seems a missed opportunity.

Posted by: jared | Aug 19 2025 15:25 utc | 129

Ahenobarbus (113).
If I recall correctly a revolutions tend to fail – unless the likes of the bourgeoisie middle-classes rise up as well, once they begin to feel the effects of poor governmental decisions, and are economically hit quite hard, they tend to strike out.
Taking France for example I think there were several attempted revolutions in the past, but the 1789 was a successful – with the bourgeoisie middle-classes participating in it.
As you rightly say protest, is now met with beatings and arrests by the military styled police – and complicit judges will imprison you at the blink of an eye, sadly though, most people are far too apathetic to do what needs to be done – to take back their countries from those charlatans, ergo things will on get worse.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 19 2025 15:05 utc | 121
Your recollection is formed by that same bourgeois. It’s their society so they create the default consciousness. China didn’t get to where it’s at via a bourgeois revolution. Russia also ended WWI and ousted fuedalism in its country via the working class. The small bourgeois, shop keepers etc, typically go whichever way the wind blows and if impressed by the workers will turn on the billionaires quickly.
It’s not so much apathy as shock we’re seeing. From COVID to present the world they knew has been turned upside down. There are no organized parties in the west to provide even an objective assessment of the situation either. Everyone responds differently to a political argument, but they all respond the same way to a hot poker in the ass. The situation is frankly, quietly radicalizing millions, perhaps billions globally. One revolutionary development in one country is all it would take.
And you’re right about the French revolution. It was indeed a bourgeois revolution despite Robespierre’s best efforts. The modern working class did not yet exist. Nonetheless, that revolution toppled fuedalism, the reigning socioeconomic system since the Roman empire, for all time. It illustrated the movement and development in all things.
The ruling class wants us to worship the accomplished fact, to become hopeless, to believe Capitalism has existed since the dawn of man without change and of course is the best possible situation in the best of all worlds. A perspective frozen in time to freeze a revolutionary class in a long gone time.
Nonetheless, only the working class can shut down the economic system and that is the power to rule the world.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 15:29 utc | 130

Bridgette Mohnhaupt@115
Yes, the commentariate would do well to listen to the Helmer interview you linked. Clearing the fog off the mirror. Long, but worthwhile

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 15:34 utc | 131

This should make everyone’s day:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/matt-gaetz-solution-ukraine-war-134643983.html
The Independent
“Matt Gaetz has the solution for the Ukraine War: Make Russia part of NATO”
“I’ve got an idea. Offer NATO membership to Russia,” said Gaetz during Monday’s edition of The Matt Gaetz Show. “Of course, for this carrot, Trump would need to get everything he wants out of [Russian President Vladimir] Putin regarding the end of hostilities, economic cooperation, and territorial disputes.”
“Before you suggest I’m crazy for thinking about NATO and Russia as partners, the idea has been floated by foreign policy thinkers on the right and left for some time,” he added. “In 1997, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on NATO expansion. President Clinton’s secretary of state, Madeleine Albright, reflected on groundbreaking cooperation between NATO and Russia.”
Yup. That would probably save NATO…
Then they could all point their guns at China…
Saving the best part for last:
“That fruit ( NATO entry for Russia) didn’t germinate because instead of **doubling down on cooperation with Russia, the thinking prevailed that we had to **expand NATO and **encircle Russia. ***We learned that an animal backed into a corner can lash out,” Gaetz argued. ****
“We chose encirclement over cooperation when people were saying cooperation could be **part of our **forward-looking path with Russia.”***
Lolz

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 15:36 utc | 132

Guess the Borgs “you will be assimilated” (by force) mantra hit a snag.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 15:41 utc | 133

Posted by: Clown Shoes | Aug 19 2025 15:24 utc | 127
Possibly, except that the price for that according to the EU/NATO is NATO troops in the rump backed up by US support.
Therefore making the deal impossible for Russia.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2025 15:43 utc | 134

I wonder why the EU vassals are insisting so much on VVP meeting with Gehlenskyi …
The guy has no mandate, no legitimacy, nothing to offer and is legally unable to sign something with VVP and he can’t revoke that said law.
He can play the piano but if Rachmaninoff 3rd piano concerto is asked … ahem …
You know the five dicks man ? His panty fits like a glove ^^.

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 19 2025 15:43 utc | 135

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 19 2025 15:43 utc | 134
As my post above, its kind of a poison pill designed to scupper any deal that Trump and Putin may cook up.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2025 15:45 utc | 136

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 14:46 utc | 114

The attempts on the Crimean bridge have returned to car/truck bombs – trying to return to the early success with this, as missiles and drones have proved to be generally ineffective.
Terrorism and sabotage seem the only means of PR success these days.

Has there been another attack? Where can we read about it?
In my opinion, terrorism and sabotage aimed at high end projects and critical infrastructure achieve much more than mere PR success. Unless you consider the bridge itself to be nothing more than a PR project?
With the ongoing conflict, deterrence has been unilaterally eroded, exposing Russia to attacks which would have been impossible a few years ago.

Posted by: robin | Aug 19 2025 15:52 utc | 137

“Putin established not only the terms required for an acceptable security agreement but also Putin established that until such an agreement is reached, negotiations with Russia over what to do with Ukraine are on hold.”
Snake, on prev. thread.
Yes. That’s why Russia agreed to these meets. (Plus of course one can gather info. etc.)
Theatre and BS is barreling along. For ex. all the talk of security guarantees is obfuscatory, a side-show. If a Peace is achieved via a Treaty, no security ‘guarantees’ are needed, as they are inherent in the Treaty.
If a ‘solid’ agreed-on conditions for a cease-fire hold for some time while “negotiations take place” security guarantees are NOT up for discussion, they are implemented.
It looks like Trump-team are perpetually muddying issues, disagreeing amongst themselves, putting the cart before the horse purposely or because confusion, and striving for various (incompatible) ‘goals’ simultaneously.
One result…The USA washes its hands of this conflict and officially turns it over to European Vassals (GB, F, D) who will buy the weapons (from the US for billions) and continue it, achieving nothing except killing some more Slavs and their own impoverishment.
An alternative is that Trump imposes US conditions on Zel. (with whatever borders etc.) and so be it, Basta, Finito. In agreement with Putin. (Not likely.)

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 19 2025 15:56 utc | 138

Well, it’s still morning here, barely. Here’s Lavrov and more, “Lavrov’s Interview with the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company”. The Global South will enjoy what he said, while the Europeans will hate or ignore it as usual.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 15:58 utc | 139

Clown Shoes 127,
I can assure you that every “serious-thinker” here agrees, the longer Russia takes in this war, the better. The more time Russia gives it’s opponent to adapt the better. Big-arrow moves by Russia are to be discouraged and if executed correctly, left unsupported. Because ISR…Nukes…any excuse…will do.
And so when it comes to negotiations, the card Russia has to play is the “sudden-collapse-theory” but, that joker has been on the table for 2 years running…eventually it’ll come true but, that eventuality is a long way off when perfectly executed advances, ones that breaks a major fully maned defensive line, is left to rot on the vine.
Color me disgusted with the coaching staff but, don’t worry, some water-boy-cheerleader-type will be on the field to water us down with a concoction of copium laced commentary.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 19 2025 15:58 utc | 140

Too many here trying to assert ”Nothing has changed! All will go on as before!” but that would defeat the whole point of Trump (and the faction behind him) trying to extract the US from the proxy war in the Ukraine.
The US MUST shift its focus to China. This is not optional. The proxy war in the Ukraine is optional. The fight against China is not. And that fight will require missiles and bombers and tanks and warships… lots and lots of them.
The US cannot keep up with the resources being burned in the Ukraine as it is. That has to stop before the US can take the fight to China.
The US is cutting the Ukraine off. They will sell whatever the EU wants to buy, but deliveries will have to wait (forever, most likely). Any serious hardware and munitions going to the Ukraine will have to come from somewhere else.
The Ukraine would be best served by facing up to this reality.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2025 15:59 utc | 141

Lots of detritus flowing from BigLie media mouths often prompted by leaks having no basis in reality, several by Witkoff. I see Lavrov was interviewed by the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company whose first words were:
“It’s a pity that you’re not wearing a USSR sweatshirt today.”
I’ll have the 22-minute chat available at my substack later this morning. Putin’s comment that the EU will soon be “wagging their tails at their master’s feet” is due to the fact that they’ve been colonized by Biden and have no way to facilitate their escape by wanting more war. They’d have a much better chance if they pursued peace and renewed critical economic ties with Russia. But that’s outside their ideological view and thus won’t be pursued.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 13:30 utc | 83
Yes, but easy to spot which is which (as I mentioned @47)
Thanks, will take a look later.
P.S. Near the end of the first page at open thread, answering your fast reactor piece, I have something you might enjoy ( sorry I don’t login to substack, so answers only here)

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 19 2025 16:01 utc | 142

Robin@136
news-pravda.com posted some articles. A car bomb and truck bomb were discovered and disarmed before reaching the bridge. There have only been traffic delays from time to time for the last couple of years. No serious damage.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 16:01 utc | 143

We are being slow walked into global war. These theater plays put off annihilation, but it will come. Mutually assured kind.

Posted by: azeclecticdog | Aug 19 2025 16:04 utc | 144

(Re. Aheno and Sean, but I don’t quote as not time to take up discussion, so just thoughts..)
Most of what is called the working class have been outsourced to Asia or the likes, if not to technology. Those few left in the west are either in position of privilege (consider reduction of manpower in farming) or close to slave labour in the existing economic circumstance, due to lack of need for, due to replacement by outside workers, due to subsidy of alternative subsistence. Meaning they are a small minority now. The ‘service class’ are majority, they are not producers but just good at handing round the goods, and basically taking care of each other.
The NWO is reference to the elusive pinnacle of power, which has been around for a long time and maintains its position by rearrangement of all kinds, whether via claims to representation of a new order or via management of multipolar dispute. The moment anything is included in a single set, ‘multipolar’ ‘world order’ ‘global’ etc. it can be assumed to be referencing a single dominant and fixed position.
Previously the reference that people had was ‘nation’ or similar, and there were just ‘many other nations’ …somewhere else, doing whatever else they were about. In other words there was not an over-arching view being imposed or suggested on the outlook.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 19 2025 16:08 utc | 145

>>> “What they have agreed upon?
I’ve seen nothing but a lot of wording both sides.” <<< Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 15:03 utc | 120 . . You think Trump, Putin and anybody sentient trusts what's on paper? You think the Blob gives a fuck about paper? They write anything. The unwritten agreement in Alaska was "Hohols die until they ask to stop dying". No paper, but quite obvious, and yesterday even more so. The Blob is apparently accepting it, too. For now. The eurocucks work for them and they are all silent about it. If they were real humans, they'd rail at Putin and Trump for sentencing hohols to death. But the Blob don't really give a fuck, so...

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 16:10 utc | 146

Re. Aheno and Sean, but I don’t quote as not time to take up discussion, so just thoughts..)
Most of what is called the working class have been outsourced to Asia or the likes, if not to technology. Those few left in the west are either in position of privilege (consider reduction of manpower in farming) or close to slave labour in the existing economic circumstance, due to lack of need for, due to replacement by outside workers, due to subsidy of alternative subsistence. Meaning they are a small minority now. The ‘service class’ are majority, they are not producers but just good at handing round the goods, and basically taking care of each other.
The NWO is reference to the elusive pinnacle of power, which has been around for a long time and maintains its position by rearrangement of all kinds, whether via claims to representation of a new order or via management of multipolar dispute. The moment anything is included in a single set, ‘multipolar’ ‘world order’ ‘global’ etc. it can be assumed to be referencing a single dominant and fixed position.
Previously the reference that people had was ‘nation’ or similar, and there were just ‘many other nations’ …somewhere else, doing whatever else they were about. In other words there was not an over-arching view being imposed or suggested on the outlook.
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 19 2025 16:08 utc | 144
To be more explicit well use the term wage slave. Anyone here depend on s wage for their survival? You’re a worker, motherfucker!
Again we must struggle with the frozen perspective provided by our masters. Industrial workers are most critical but they do not comprise the entire working class.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 16:11 utc | 147

Re: Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 19 2025 15:05 utc | 122

Top story on ZH now links back to MoA 😎

Well, what are you waiting for – provide a link back to the article then.
Good luck!

Posted by: Julian | Aug 19 2025 16:15 utc | 148

RE: “We are being slow walked into global war. These theater plays put off annihilation, but it will come. Mutually assured kind.”
Posted by: azeclecticdog | Aug 19 2025 16:04 utc | 143
Honestly, look around you. We’re already in a “global war”…
Kinetic, trade, economic, hot… it’s global.
All we’re all waiting for is the flash of blinding light as the last thing we see.
Which I’m in agreement, is coming.
However, unlike others here, I do not see it ending humanity unfortunately. The torture will continue.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 19 2025 16:19 utc | 149

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 19 2025 15:45 utc | 135
Lol. As if those morons ever cared about politics, war, peace or whatever. (they care about having “white angels”).
Anyway, a phone call was made and VVP accepted a meeting with Gehlenskyi in Moskow… for the show in any case. I wonder if he will came back in Kiev after that meeting.
The media’s beloved “404’s ultra-nationalist groups” will appreciate the gesture for sure. ^^

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 19 2025 16:37 utc | 150

William Gruff 140,
I respect your opinion but disagree with you on the “war-with-China-is-enevitable” bit. However, that war is inevitable if we continue our current trajectory, wasting resources fighting Russia. To that end, Jake Sullivan is, without a doubt, a traitor…tempered by the fact that his highly indoctrinated mind is of limited capability. Were I to defend Jake Sullivan at a war-crime-tribunal…I’d go with a diminished capacity defense, compounded by psychopathic personality, in spite his outward appearance of apparent normalcy in controlled settings. Indeed, knowing the disastrous role of Jake Sullivan in the Hillary/Obama/Team-Biden-Presidency made voting for Trump a necessity.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 19 2025 16:38 utc | 151

Too many here trying to assert ”Nothing has changed! All will go on as before!” but that would defeat the whole point of Trump (and the faction behind him) trying to extract the US from the proxy war in the Ukraine.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2025 15:59 utc | 140
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True, the human trafficking of children and the mass murder of civilians, which is the whole point of Trump (and the Jews behind him) continues.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 16:39 utc | 152

Folks like Martyanov are adamant that real US hypersonics and weapons comparable to the Russian side are a decade if not more away. But what if he’s wrong?
How would this game change if US gets something comparable to Oreshnik?
The West already controls global narratives (weakening, yes, but still by far the most powerful), and if it can stave off debt collapse, might very well outlast Russia and prevent a real rational security arrangement before Putin dies. If US gets hypersonics (or something better) not sure how Russia will have any conventional leverage.

Posted by: TG1 | Aug 19 2025 16:42 utc | 153

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 16:10 utc | 145
Paper means an official position, for what is worth, and there is no official position.
Ukrainians keeping die is a fact. No one cares about them, until the last of them, so no need for a meeting.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 16:45 utc | 154

To answer somebody’s question, Stammer is to the left of Meloni, as can be seen on this other picture other picture
In any case, these pictures are priceless. Made my day. Thank you B !

Posted by: Shahmaran | Aug 19 2025 16:52 utc | 155

Paper means an official position, for what is worth, and there is no official position.
Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 16:45 utc | 153
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The Trump administration leaves little paper trail. No legislation advanced (except tax cuts) and no hard reforms.
A lot of talk.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 16:56 utc | 156

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 15:58 utc | 138
Thanks very much, karlof1, for this post and your careful translations. I was particularly interested in the statements from Lavrov comparing Finland and Ukraine on the subject of neutrality. He mentioned the subject of territorial exchange. That deals directly with what happened to the monastery of Valaam, which became central in the underlying connection between the US and Russia in Alaska, and which as you know I have been most interested in following.
Of course, it is matters of state that are the most important subject under discussion, but I noted that central to the photograph b helpfully provided, Finland’s president’s gaze is focussed on the notes he is taking. That is a very good sign.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 19 2025 16:56 utc | 157

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guRVHV7ofrs
Belov says Zelensky rejected everything – politely. He appeared to support land swaps but is just creating obstacles to bide for time. So, nothing has really changed despite the headlines.
Meanwhile, Azov has failed after making a few initial gains and Russia is moving forward again.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 19 2025 16:57 utc | 158

>>> “Paper means…” <<< Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 16:45 utc | 153 . . Nothing, if you're sentient. And since all signatories of the eventual paper know this, they'll ensure they get what they want before signing your wonderful paper, if they can.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 17:00 utc | 159

Posted by: will moon | Aug 19 2025 12:30 utc | 60
“I don’t understand why you would see Trump as outside of “the blob”
The fact that they tried to assassinate him twice? Why would they do that to a member in good standing?

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 19 2025 17:00 utc | 160

Folks like Martyanov are adamant that real US hypersonics and weapons comparable to the Russian side are a decade if not more away. But what if he’s wrong?
Posted by: TG1 | Aug 19 2025 16:42 utc | 152
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But what if he is right?
Andrei is not shaping reality. He is drawing a conclusion based on his analysis. It can be wrong, but that won’t save the West from its impending bankruptcies or demographic problems.
Russia isn’t winning because it has hypersonics. It is winning because its entire tech tree is more advanced and affordable.
Russians fight harder than Americans ever have.
Russians pursue superior strategies and tactics.
The Yanks getting hypersonics tomorrow won’t change the balance of power.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 17:01 utc | 161

In Dec. 2021 Russia presented proposals for peace treaties with the US and NATO that would provide for mutual security.
Russia pointed out that unilateral security is not viable. Only mutual security will work.
If I were to set up a machine gun nest pointing at my neighbor’s house, he would have the right to complain and demand that I take them down, no matter if I protested “These make me feel secure.”
After 3 1/2 years of military-technical response from Russia, the US/NATO pretend to respond by saying “We’re going to put NATO troops in Ukraine, but we’re going to call them ‘peacekeepers’, so you can’t complain”.
Still not acceptable. And neither is freezing the line, especially in Zaporozhye, where the Ukies shell the NPP even with UN AEIA inspectors present. Russia has to take control of the entire oblast, for security reasons.
But there are people suggesting the UN peacekeepers are an acceptable substitute for NATO troops? I don’t think so.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 19 2025 17:02 utc | 162

Why would they do that to a member in good standing?
Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 19 2025 17:00 utc | 159
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Why would they sink the Lusitania? Why would they create a Gulf of Tonkin incident? Why would FDR ignore intelligence about Pearl Harbor and allow it to be attacked?
Are you really asking why something would be staged to galvanize mass opinion?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 17:04 utc | 163

Barflies,
Please read the Lavrov interview posted on Karl‘s substack. Lavrov restates the core demand that NATO be rolled back to 1997 members. He says that The Ukraine is not the main issue. A must read.
Thabk you Karl

Posted by: Exile | Aug 19 2025 17:06 utc | 164

The West already controls global narratives (weakening, yes, but still by far the most powerful)

The power of a system of organized deception always goes down as credibility is eroded. The expected result is a bankruptcy of the legitimacy of media and the state, and ultimately revolution. That the revolution is likely to be cryptofascists using killbots against a virtually defenseless civil society is irrelevant to the point.
What I dont understand is why elites believe telling organized lies serves their interests. Ultimately the suppression of information leads to all kinds of complex problems. Did anyone game out the results of America playing nicely with the world instead of trying to dominate it?
I suspect not. Hubris is what you can write on humanity’s tomb.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 19 2025 17:09 utc | 165

I will agree with posters above suggesting Zelensky’s companion is a translator. The boy also looks a lot like a gay prostitute.
Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 19 2025 14:02 utc | 95
And an earlier poster wondered about Starmer’s whereabouts given his absence from the photo. I suggest in the light of the above, he was enjoying a post-coital smoke in a broom cupboard…

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 19 2025 17:11 utc | 166

Posted by: Shahmaran | Aug 19 2025 16:52 utc | 154

To answer somebody’s question, Stammer is to the left of Meloni, as can be seen on this other picture other picture…

Oh no! 8 seats, 7 white house gifts waiting on the desk…Someone’s going home very disappointed. Maybe that’s why everyone is looking gloomy.

Posted by: robin | Aug 19 2025 17:12 utc | 167

What’s in those wooden boxes on the desk of the master of the universe?
Posted by: Vig | Aug 19 2025 12:36 utc | 63
Participation gifts and commemorative pens for all the world leaders present. My guess the gifts are “RUMP” watches he can no longer sell in the gift shop https://www.gq.com/story/donald-trump-watch-delivered-typo

Posted by: HB_Norica | Aug 19 2025 17:13 utc | 168

Maybe the president of Finland was taking notes so that he could brag about Finland joining up with Nazi Germany in 1944.
As Margarita Simonyan pointed out:
“Stubb: “We found a solution in 1944, I believe we can in 2025.”
Completely unprompted, Finland decides to remind world it fought against Russians alongside the Nazis.
In a war it lost, which resulted in Finland ceding its territory, paying reparations, and charging its own leader with war crimes.
Thanks for that contribution.”
https://x.com/M_Simonyan

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 19 2025 17:16 utc | 169

HB_Norica@166
The setting is unbelievably garnish, the office of a carnival huckster. Who could take such a person seriously? The clowns in the audience I guess.

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 17:18 utc | 170

The Blob might be cutting their losses in Ukraine, but in response they appear to be tightening their grip on Moldova, Romania and Hungary. Logical moves, the serfs could get uppity if they don’t.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 17:20 utc | 171

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 17:00 utc | 158
Paper means know to the public/audience, it may or may not be enforced.
No public declaration means that everyone can blow air from the mouth.
Your take on kokols has the same value of me saying that Trump, in Alaska, gave the green light to nuke one or more European city to RF.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 17:21 utc | 172

“who govern against the interests of the governed to enhance the power and wealth of the Globalists, Soros, Schwab, Gates and whoever else you want to add.”
Parararense@12.52
seer
How about the Koch family and everyone’s favourite Nazi E Musk. Let us not forget former Goldman Sachs insider Steve Bannon and wannabe Skynet Overlords Thiel and Karp, all these and many more deep state denizens ride in Good King Don’s merry caravan, most are committed neocons – who’s zooming who sisbro?
In both terms Trump passed massive tax cuts, benefitting the biggest corporations and the extremely wealthy more than any other groups In 2017 he reduced corporate tax rates from 35% to 21%, the rate it was in the era of Robber Barons before WW2 and finally explain why Trump’s Treasury guy Bessant, is a close confidant of GEORGE SOROS ?
I worry for both of you – what will become of the pair of you? so I’ll check again:
You think Trump is not a part of the blob/the deep state/the establishment/ the masters of human kind etc etc ad nauseum?
If no, I can only respect you for having an opinion. He logically speaking seems to be connected , intimately, to the blob!?

Posted by: will moon | Aug 19 2025 17:23 utc | 173

Newbie | Aug 19 2025 16:01 utc | 141–
Thanks for your reply and the FYI about your other comment. I’ll take a looksie.
juliania | Aug 19 2025 16:56 utc | 156–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, the issue of neutrality and the sanctity of both treaties and constitutions is very important to this entire sordid ongoing event, as well as the attempt to circumvent all of them by the “rules-based order” regime, which Lavrov and I both see being on its death bed.
Exile | Aug 19 2025 17:06 utc | 162–
Thanks for your reply and promo. It must be noted that Lavrov doesn’t come out and specifically state “that NATO be rolled back to 1997 members;” rather, that’s related to the OSCE treaties whose violation is mentioned.
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As I’ve written for years, all of this is related to the actions of one Outlaw nation since 1945 whose serial violation of International Law and its own domestic constitution has caused millions of deaths and trillions$$ in damages globally in a crime spree that continues even as Team Trump tries to convince the world it wants peace. As we see by its continual behavior, the Outlaw US Empire doesn’t want peace. That it is blind to the fact that its behavior gives away its intentions is helpful for the Global Majority who must continue to increase their defiance of the Outlaws and escalate their actions to corral and contain them.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 17:35 utc | 174

>>> “everyone can blow air from the mouth.” <<< Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 17:21 utc | 169 . . Yes, with or without paper, as we know. And they do, as paper means nothing. However, the hohols Trump and Putin agreed would keep dying? They're still dying, and nary a paper in sight.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 17:36 utc | 175

Posted by: will moon | Aug 19 2025 17:23 utc | 170
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In 2015, Peter Thiel (the man who has worked most of his life for the CIA and created JD Vance with Tucker Carlson’s help) was a speaker at the Republican convention as the party rallied around Trump.
Thiel is a well-known member of the Bilderberg group. Thiel is behind Facebook, Palantir, and previously PayPal with Musk. He helped form the Stanford Review (“independent” school paper), and Stanford is legendary for graduating people into the MIC.
The idea that Trump isn’t adjacent to Globalists is a common MAGA misconception. I’ll never forget Ivanka and Jared going on a yacht with the Soros family during Trump’s first term.
Musk and Thiel teamed up in this administration. Musk used DOGE to penetrate government agencies and Palantir to hoover up all of the data.
No one remembers that DOGE never actually discovered any fraud that was prosecuted (Trump never prosecutes anyone unless they are anti-Israel) or recovered substantial savings.
It was never about the swamp. It was about completing Palantir’s technological control grid of America.
Palantir is basically Israeli. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 19 2025 17:38 utc | 176

Posted by: the pessimist | Aug 19 2025 17:18 utc | 167

The setting is unbelievably garnish, the office of a carnival huckster. Who could take such a person seriously? The clowns in the audience I guess.

Yes. Very tremendous. Interestingly, the gold and glitter seems absent on older photos of the oval office.
And look at the two bronzes starring down the Euro partners. Is that Lincoln on Trump’s right? They should have propped him up higher.

Posted by: robin | Aug 19 2025 17:38 utc | 177

Ahenobarbus@119…..
“I don’t believe all these Israeli billionaires have been with us since time immemorial. Tech billionaires?”
Not sure why you picked Aparthied squatters for an example of someone who worked their way up, no one gets to be a billionaire by chance…..ever. It’s a game, play the game right Gates, Musk, Ma to name a few and you get to be a rich guy……rich guys are still poor compared to old world wealthy guys, dynasty wealth, you think some punk billionaires decided to have a go at Russia…….
Cheers M
…..many knee jerk, unable to believe there are groups and subgroups that are international fraternities, they are areligious, follow no ism, no flag, or country, they permeate all walks of life in every country, no one rises to power without their backing…..
To paraphrase Mr Putin, ‘you have your ideas, your plans, then the men in black show up’

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2025 17:43 utc | 178

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 17:36 utc | 172
Yes, I can see in a near future RF complaining, ‘Yeah but Trump told Putin that we could kill kokhols’.
Wash, rinse, repeat, without something official anyone can say anything on the ‘agreement’.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 17:51 utc | 179

>>> “…anyone can say anything on the ‘agreement’.” <<< Posted by: Mario | Aug 19 2025 17:51 utc | 176 . . Correct, paper means nothing. You may be getting it, finally.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 18:09 utc | 180

sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2025 17:43 utc | 175
Fuck dude, after all this time you finally posted something in a comprehensible, readable format that follows basic grammatical rules, and guess what? You actually have something interesting to say.
But this then raises a follow on question, which is, if you know the score, why waste your time here?
Seriously, there’s really only two viable camps, the players and their shadow punters (such as myself), or full throated revolutionaries like Ahenobarbus.
The A man gets it, he truly does – the only way forward is to defeat people like myself (ie those who don’t depend on wages, but rather capital assets), to which my reply is, rotsa ruck. Or in street venacular, bring it bitch.
Karlof1 falls in a murky 3rd category, which is, while he understands 100%, he’s still got a religious streak that places faith above logic.
Ultimately, and I post these missives infrequently, you cannot have infinite growth on a finite planet. The debt based money system is predicated on pulling forward demand with the expectation of future resources.
The EU countries got the jump on everyone around 500 years ago and successfully locked down most of earth’s energy and critical natural resources. But, like catching a tiger by the tail, what do you do next?
Well, in their case, they literally had no other choice other than to conquer Russia if they wanted the ponzi to continue. But need/desire does not necessarily equate to success.
So, rather than become emotionally engaged in an artificial good/bad construct, simply pull back focus to evaluate the whole: what happens when the EU states fail?
This is why I suggest people who have even a remote clue should be focused on preparing for that eventuality, which could occur fairly quickly once the truth about the situation in Ukraine becomes undeniable.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 19 2025 18:22 utc | 181

LOL
“Trump Continues To Humiliate Europe” is the new “Israel Stepped Onto A Trap” from October 2023. The same acumen is at work here.
Europeans offered to Trump an agreement which is basically Minsk III (a frozen conflict with the Ukraine armed again by NATO, and NATO personnel on the Ukrainian ground), that is something that Putin cannot accept, unless he wants to lose this war badly (back to square 1, after all the fuss). Europeans know well that their offer is just theater for prolonging the war, Europeans know well that Russians would like to prolong the war, the ball is now in clueless Trump’s hands.

Posted by: SG | Aug 19 2025 18:23 utc | 182

As everybody can see, the West has his own agenda and goes on like Russia does not even exist. The decisions are already taken, Zelly is not only inside but even standing same level as Meloni or Macron, so much for the fantasies about his fall that some deluded were speculating. Troops in Ukraine and also the no-fly zone will come, now they say “after the truce” but just wait few days and the “after the truce” will simply disappear from the story.
The Alaska meeting was only to humiliate Russia one more time in public, a real rag doll that anyone can beat now without fear of any answer.
That everything is planned and follow the same script was showed by the destruction of Druzhba pipeline, already arranged between USA and Ukraine back in 2023. This week was just the right moment for them to act. Again shame on Russia, the whole world could know it, the planning papers were even public!
And the story “Ukraine on the edge of collapse” that the misinformed keep feeding us for more than three years now, has been proved this week only as story. The so-called “ears” of Russian offensive were cut with ridiculous ease by Ukrainians as soon as they decided to fight a bit more than the minimum. It was just again what we already saw too many times to be explained with local conditions or “strategic decisions” (always too sophisticated for us ordinary people). The most simple explanation is always the right one: the STAVKA, or however is called now, is full of corrupted and incapable people, maybe even on the West payroll!

Posted by: Louis | Aug 19 2025 18:32 utc | 183

Or in street venacular, bring it bitch.
Posted by: Markw | Aug 19 2025 18:22 utc | 178
Mark, I generally enjoy you comments, but you are not bourgeois, you are a petty bourgeois at best. This is not your system. Imperialism crushes your historically doomed, vestigial class to dust. In street vernacular, they already brought it, bitch.
Peacey weese!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 18:37 utc | 184

It is difficult to take seriously a person who hops nicknames like his meds.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 19 2025 18:38 utc | 185

Louis @180:
Cool fiction, bro! You should pitch it to Hollywood. I’m sure there’s a movie in there somewhere.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 19 2025 18:39 utc | 186

Everyone’s worried about Trump being a dictator: What in the hell else did you all think he would be? One question is, is he the peoples’ dictator (in other words, an actual POTUS), or is he someone else’s? The other question is: does it even matter?
Because yes, the precedents he is setting (for good or for ill) are most likely bad (as if they weren’t before from the last several POTUS). I don’t think the future was ever going to change, honestly. Until folks stop being cowards and start living their lives with the spine God gave them, it can’t be anything good.
Anyway, if he pulls off a peace with Russia and Ukraine that lasts through his administration, I think that’s a win.

Posted by: dirtforker | Aug 19 2025 18:41 utc | 187

Trump making the EU leaders sit in the hallway and wait lit little bitches was peak. 😀

Posted by: MR | Aug 19 2025 18:44 utc | 188

Not sure why you picked Aparthied squatters for an example of someone who worked their way up, no one gets to be a billionaire by chance…..ever. It’s a game, play the game right Gates, Musk, Ma to name a few and you get to be a rich guy……rich guys are still poor compared to old world wealthy guys, dynasty wealth, you think some punk billionaires decided to have a go at Russia…….
Cheers M
…..many knee jerk, unable to believe there are groups and subgroups that are international fraternities, they are areligious, follow no ism, no flag, or country, they permeate all walks of life in every country, no one rises to power without their backing…..
To paraphrase Mr Putin, ‘you have your ideas, your plans, then the men in black show up’
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 19 2025 17:43 utc | 175
Yeah, I think you missed the point. Billionaires don’t “work their way up”. That’s just another symptom of having their default consciousness. It’s like you think it’s a fair game or something, which is just so sad at this present moment. Your very radical in a lot of your comments, but with that sorry old perspective your just impotent to do anything about it or even find the means of doing so.
Unlike a lot of folks here, raging on about the current state of Imperial decline, each new low, holds only a limited interest for me. What can be done about it, what comes next, is far more interesting.
The point was you have to adjust your perspective with the constant change in material reality. Your bourgeois might as well be the monopoly man it’s such a frozen in time stereotype. The class oppression has persisted from the late ancients on, but the ruling class has indeed changed, the form of oppression has changed and the means to smash them also must change.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 19 2025 18:46 utc | 189

louis (de funes) again with a banger comedy piece!

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 19 2025 18:47 utc | 190

Posted by: dirtforker | Aug 19 2025 18:41 utc | 184
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Trump is a black swan event. The Blob will either wait him out, or liquidate him. They often parry him rather easily, if you notice. In straight executive actions, he can mildly go against the Blob, but in most things he’s hamstrung. By the Blob.

Posted by: seer | Aug 19 2025 18:51 utc | 191

Posted by: USSA Empire Of Lies | Aug 19 2025 9:02 utc | 5
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Don’t underestimate the European barons.
The Kremlin knows that full well.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 18:57 utc | 192

Folks like Martyanov are adamant that real US hypersonics and weapons comparable to the Russian side are a decade if not more away. But what if he’s wrong?
Posted by: TG1 | Aug 19 2025 16:42 utc | 152
The philosophy of the USA is to fleece, not creation.
At the very least, they only create means of exploitation.
Weapons are part of these means.
Nobody should rule out the possibility that the USA could master hypersonic technologies sooner than expected.
The only certainty is that the USA cannot be expected to behave differently in the future. They would have to do things differently for at least 10 years to prove that they have changed. At the moment, sovereign states look ownerless to the US because no US citizen owns them. The takeover of North America has moulded and corrupted the American character.
I am very sure that the Russian side is aware of this. The Gazacaust is only possible because the US supports it, so much for the mindset. So you have to be prepared to at least defend yourself, even better would be to solve the problem for good.
The USA could do better, anyone who has worked productively in their life is qualified for the future. The same goes for Germany, the future is real democracy without career politicians and crime family parties.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Aug 19 2025 18:58 utc | 193

Posted by: Louis | Aug 19 2025 18:32 utc | 180
It is not THE STAVKA per se, but the leadership is of course…And they are afraid (still) of the Jewish-Neoliberal Trojan Horse and his Bagage…I told the sad truth here over and over again…People will not believe what will happen, they will say it just can’t be. But really, after the Debolzova cauldron, everyone who wanted to hear and could see knew what was going on…The high treason on the part of the Jewish-neoliberal clown was too obvious…I predict the downfall of the Russian Federation within ten years…The Jewish clown will have already evaded responsibility by dying by that time…Truly sad story!

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 19:00 utc | 194

What I dont understand is why elites believe telling organized lies serves their interests.
Ultimately the suppression of information leads to all kinds of complex problems.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 19 2025 17:09 utc | 163
The reason “elites believe telling organized lies serves their interests” is because – it does.
They do not think long term, and we live in an era of shortermism. Now, and speed, is the rule, all about who will earn more money on the stock market.
Organized lies serve the interests of the ruling class for generations, including today.
They serve them throughout their entire lives, spent free of any concerns and hardships faced by most people on the planet. They live on another plane(t), literally: in luxury, in privilege of every sort, they have high social status, influence and impunity.
The fact that the “suppression of information (facts and truth, JB) leads to all kinds of complex problems” doesn’t concern them because the consequences are a process of long duration which manifest after many tens or hundreds of years.
That is why they will stop at nothing, as we are witnessing, to preserve the system of lies that still serves their vital interests.

Posted by: JB | Aug 19 2025 19:15 utc | 195

in reply to

William Gruff | Aug 19 2025 18:39 utc | 183

Sorry to inform you that I was wrong in writing ‘wait few days and the “after the truce” will simply disappear from the story’, but just because it has already disappeared from the narrative, NATO troops are already readied to be put as a security force. Look at Martyanov for confirmation.

Posted by: Louis | Aug 19 2025 19:23 utc | 196

I predict the downfall of the Russian Federation within ten years…The Jewish clown will have already evaded responsibility by dying by that time…Truly sad story!

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 19:00 utc | 191
Well, we can all set arbitrary deadlines, though for some folks it seems to “concern” them greatly. After all, I could just as easily and glibly predict that if there is a downfall of the Russian Federation in 10 years it will still have outlasted the EU and likely the USA as well, let alone Ukraine.
More generally though, your posts seem to combine the worst traits of @SunOfAlabama and @shadowbanned, namely an obsession with a barmy theory mixed with an unremittingly doom-laden seasoning.
What happens to the EU/US when the money-printer runs out of brrrrrrrrrr… ?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 19:23 utc | 197

Just finished watching the three-way discussion with Escobar, Marandi, and Nima mostly about the Summit and yesterday’s circus that ended with info about the seven-way entanglement over Zangezuer Corridor that has Iran incensed. Well worth the 65 minutes. Also, Pepe has a new article up at The Cradle, “What really happened in Alaska”, most of which was discussed in the chat. The digs made during the chat at the “seven dwarfs” were rather funny and appropriate, which most barflies will enjoy.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 19 2025 19:24 utc | 198

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 19 2025 19:23 utc | 194
I followed the Jewish-Neoliberal Trojan horse since he left the Archives in Dresden…A lot of folks here do pretent they know Russian history since the biggest betrayel in Human history by G. …But in fact they don’t know anything. But to understand who owns the Clown you have to go deeeep down the rabbit hole. For starters listen to the last new years speech of Yelzin…You can easily find it on youtube…

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 19 2025 19:39 utc | 199

Posted by: VtObserver | Aug 19 2025 10:02 utc | 21
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Sir Keir Starmer is pulling the strings [with Peter Benjamin Mandelson (PBM) also known as BARON Mandelson] behind DJT.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 19 2025 19:44 utc | 200

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