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August 9, 2025
Ukraine – Setting The Stage For U.S.-Russia Talks

(Sorry for light posting. I am traveling and busy with family things …)

A few headlines and pieces around the upcoming U.S.-Russia talks:

How backchannel talks via Belarus / Lukashenko led to those:

Zelenski in panic:

Warning from Russia:

European set conditions to sabotage talks:

Have at it.

Comments

The green t shirt isn’t in the coming conversations.
Neither are the Eu vassals or the Brits.
Whatever is decided will be presented as the decision.
Anyone who decides to hinder or upend will be on their own.
I wonder if the European vassals understand that?

Posted by: jpc | Aug 9 2025 17:23 utc | 1

Take care of the family and enjoy your mental health holiday. We eagerly await your posts but you need to take care of yourself before us.

Posted by: Somewhere Over China | Aug 9 2025 17:25 utc | 2

The vassals and the former governor of Kiev are puffery to make Trump’s new Minsk scam look appealing!

Posted by: paddy | Aug 9 2025 17:31 utc | 3

It will be a fun week.
The horror of beeing left out to dry. The euro press is going beserk and I am loving the show.
As for the Alaska summit. At first I thought it was a reckless move by the russian leadership.
But then I thought, what is the least safest place on the planet to have a meeting and still the most safe.
Cia, mi6, mossaad, sbu, wont even dare to disrupt this summit / meeting in Us soil. And the us security and burocratic services, the last thing they want is a grave incident on their watch.
So the americans are first and foremost interested in the safety of all this kabuki.
In a neutral ground, no one can have guarantees.
I would say. Smart play.
Putin is offering trump a last chance. No one is talking about epstein now…
This is his last offramp

Posted by: Hugo | Aug 9 2025 17:36 utc | 4

This is such a clown show that I wonder why some otherwise intelligent commentators are falling for the charade. If one reads the Russian media it seems like the Putin-Trump meeting is a Christmas on the horizon. I have read many statements from people in high places within the Russian government which seems to suggest that Trump is trustworthy, and that it is some mythical deep state who are not allowing him to make peace with Russia. Nonsense! Trump is a psychopath and a war criminal like the rest of the Western elites. If this meeting ever happens, it would be another ploy to buy time for a regroup. It is clear the West is playing good and bad cops. Trump says he wants a deal and the EU psychopaths are throwing tantrums. Both sides are playing their parts from the same script. I would be surprised if Russians fall for this gimmick one more time. Minsk-1, Minsk-2 and now Alaska (Minsk-3)?

Posted by: Steve | Aug 9 2025 17:38 utc | 5

Interesting the time article
Well within western narratives but makes you wonder.
Is it so hard to consider that Lukashenko, as Putin, and hopefully trump, just abhor needless deaths? What world where we doubt leaders should pass that acid test of human decency.
I can do little (who am I fooling, I can do nothing) for peace in Ukraine, but I can hope for it

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2025 17:39 utc | 6

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, August 8th, 2025: May be Useful to Some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-3fe

Posted by: The Busker | Aug 9 2025 17:39 utc | 7

The U.S. war pigs can not be trusted; Trump can not be trusted. They will kill Putin because they think Russia will fold, but it will be their last jewbastard trick ever.

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Aug 9 2025 17:47 utc | 8

My new favorite commentator on things Ukrainian-European-USAian is Sebastian Sas.
He is smart and he has a good sense of humor.
His main format is to pull up news stories and quotes and then to explain what is really going on, in the subtext and in the background.
Yesterday he did two videos on the meeting arrangements.
He commented on—among other things—the attempts, emanating from the White House, to scuttle the meeting. Trump needs to get his act together and clear out the cupboards hidey holes in his own house.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj-jpYlfYzI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zP97gqYRkc
Today’s video:
https://www.youtube.com/@Sebastian_Sas

Posted by: Jane | Aug 9 2025 17:52 utc | 9

On the alaska angle, there might bean angle, we both should choose giving each other instead of letting great Britain take it.
Thoughts?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2025 17:54 utc | 10

As a sidebar, Russia dominated the so-called “AI Olympics” in China. In light of that, it is hard to believe that the geopolitical game theory experts in Russia would be lagging their counterparts in the US or UK.
What do we know so far? This is far bigger than Ukraine. The US wants to place a wedge between China, Russia, Iran, India, Brazil (generally BRICS) to retain their hegemon status. Russia wants infighting between NATO members and EU members.
Based on perception so far, advantage Russia.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 9 2025 17:54 utc | 11

It is highly suspicious that Alaska is the setting for the meeting, to me that is indicative of the offer Trump’s people have made to Putin.. consider which of these would have made Putin jump.. ?
1. an undersea oil and gas pipeline from Russia to Alaska..
2. Military base in for Russia in Alaska, for USA in Odessa.
3. the 4 oblasts and Crimea for Russia..
4. joint sharing of the mineral deal.
5. reinstatement of the Nord stream II into Germany with USA investors and profit shareholders.
6. NATO to move its front Westward to 1990 agreed on line.
7. Europe to restore Ukraine.. and pay its war debts.
8. General elections in Ukraine. to decide Ukraine to be russian satellite nation state or remain independent and to elect a president.
9. Bio research in Ukraine to be joint Russia and USA.
10. War crimes court to be activated
11. Russia to get its 300 billion reserves back with interest.
12. Space to be jointly shared.
13.

Posted by: snake | Aug 9 2025 17:57 utc | 12

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 9 2025 17:54 utc | 11
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Westerners don’t get news about how Russia and China dominate international intellectual competitions.
If a tree falls and no one hears it…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 17:57 utc | 13

Europe, Ukraine’s Desperate Move As Trump Confirms Putin Meet On US Soil, Hints At Favouring Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-ZrDpCexkA

As President Donald Trump prepares for a critical summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska on August 15, 2025, European and Ukrainian leaders have been left out of the negotiations—sparking alarm and an emergency meeting in Britain. According to reports, officials from the U.S., Ukraine, and key European NATO allies are convening over the weekend to develop a unified strategy ahead of the Trump-Putin summit.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2025 18:00 utc | 14

Everyone in the West should pray thusly: We thank thee oh God for most this amazing
day:for the leaping greenly spirits of trees
and a blue true dream of sky;and for everything
which is natural which is infinite which is yes
(i who have died am alive again today,
and this is the sun’s birthday;this is the birth
day of life and of love and wings:and of the gay
great happening illimitably earth)
how should tasting touching hearing seeing
breathing any—lifted from the no
of all nothing—human merely being
doubt unimaginable You?
(now the ears of my ears awake and
now the eyes of my eyes are opened)

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Aug 9 2025 18:00 utc | 15

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 9 2025 17:54 utc | 10
As Alex Christoforou points out, it is far, far away from the EU and Ukraine and it will be difficult for the eurocucks or Elensky to crash the meeting compared to, say, the UAE or Saudi or Turkey.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 9 2025 18:03 utc | 16

Epstein and polling are successfully out of the headlines.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 18:06 utc | 17

Despite people insisting that this is a Jewish trick to kill Putin, or that President Trump will just bluster ineffectively, the direction of ACTUAL Russian media is that VVP absolutely wants this meeting to go ahead. By contrast, Zelensky and the EU are in total panic.
It’s no surprise that the remaining credible parts of resistance media will be rather quiet until the summit actually happens. Droning on about how the meeting will definitely fail won’t win them any points with Russia.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 9 2025 18:07 utc | 18

You know, all of Trump’s blather and bad talking about Putin-Russia didn’t make any difference to the reality on the ground, which is that this meeting is happening. And all of his blather after the meeting won’t affect whatever is being discussed and decided here.
This is an excellent lesson: NOT to spend one moment on anything Trump says, but instead to watch only the material facts that happen on the ground.
I offer this advice to everyone, but all around I see surface reactions to surface noise from Trump – increasingly in fact. I don’t know what it will take for people to understand the smoke and mirrors in play here.
Most people in my circles are focused on global geopolitics, and it’s a shame they don’t see what’s happening internally in the USA, because if they could know how this administration is reshaping the nation – if they could see the scale of it – they might be inclined to step back and take a longer, broader and more high-altitude view of Trump.
Trump is the front man for a game that is most assuredly afoot. How much of the foreign policy is planned, I don’t know – I would guess very little, but I think there are general directions that are being aimed at, rapprochement and business relationships with Russia being one of them.
But the domestic policy is being rolled out like an extremely well coordinated campaign, and I think that goes for the Epstein material, despite the blunders and fumbles we’ve see around that case so far.
The Trump administration is overturning and resetting policy that has been in place for 50 years – love it or hate it, that’s the scale to understand about its actions. And all the while, Trump runs his mouth and everything seems like a total shit show. And yet, underneath all of that, domestic policy is being transformed in the most powerful and profound (and, I think, beneficial) way.
It’s possible some of that scale is being applied to global geopolitics too. But there’s a lot more resistance in that realm, more forces to appease, more sabotage to beware – and of course a vast river of Zionism that can sweep away any false step. All the more reason, I suggest, to take that step back and be more sanguine in one’s assessment.
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For an example of the scale of analysis that seems more appropriate here, take a look at this discussion between Alex Krainer and Harley Schlanger with Crypto Rich:
USA, Russia, China & the slow emergence of a multi-polar world
I don’t think they’re necessarily correct in some of their speculation and surmise, but they look at evidence, and they range broadly and from a high view. I think, because of this, they’re far more accurate than those who are simply throwing attitude at events, saying a thing is, or cannot be, because of its nature, or a person’s character, regardless of material facts.
One must beware of writing off possibilities, or of not waiting for facts to emerge, especially in these historic times, and with such flamboyance from one of the players.
There’s a lot of chaff and flare blinding a lot of guidance systems currently.
2 cents.

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 9 2025 18:09 utc | 19

@ Barstool | Aug 9 2025 18:08 utc | 19
Again with a zero-substance jab at LD…
I didn’t see him strike you physically. Did he fart on you? Change your name.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 9 2025 18:15 utc | 20

consider which of these would have made Putin jump.
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I don’t think anything is going to make Putin “jump.”

Posted by: Jane | Aug 9 2025 18:16 utc | 21

LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 18:06 utc | 17
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Depends on which “headlines” you read.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 9 2025 18:17 utc | 22

I’m taking a break ….
Layla Live – Eric Clapton *Best Performance Ever* Crazy Solo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BMT0L714S8 10 mins

Posted by: Don Firineach | Aug 9 2025 18:20 utc | 23

@ steve
>> I have read many statements from people in high places within the
>> Russian government which seems to suggest that Trump is trustworthy
Either naivety, a Russian oligarch pivot against China, or good deception. To sabotage talks, can the KGB send a certain Sergei Francis Powers to pilot an Oreshnik and get shot down over Kansas?
This is a dangerous week.
@ LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 18:06 utc | 17
The meeting also comes around the time of the NATO incursion into Armenia…

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 9 2025 18:24 utc | 24

This is giving western ukraine a very good deal, which is calculated to be as generous as possible while still being rejected by the Bandera of western ukraine
The Bandera will reject the offer, and Putin and Trump look like the good guys and that frees up their future moves.

Posted by: Hot Carl | Aug 9 2025 18:24 utc | 25

@ Barstool | Aug 9 2025 18:18 utc | 25
Did you see the clothespin on my nose? I have extra. Here…. 😉

Look, we’re all annoyed at times by some other people’s posts, either every time they post or just when they harp on certain topics. Just skip ‘em.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 9 2025 18:28 utc | 26

The shrieking fuehrina harridan of the EU is German, VonDerLyin- yet, yet…she makes the majority of her speeches in ENGLISH!
As do nutty kaja and tiggerish Rutty of natzio.
Years after Britain left the EU!
Why not French? The Old language of European monarchies until German came along.
The authors of the death of Ukrainians are the ziofascist Anglo European dynasties – that includes the USAsians- that are the Owners of the Collective Waste hegemony.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 9 2025 18:29 utc | 27

I guess it’s unsurprising, but some of the usual geopolitical analysts/wishcasters are telling that this Trump/Putin meetup is in fact all about BRICS… really??!

Posted by: Call it what u will | Aug 9 2025 18:32 utc | 28

“This is giving western ukraine a very good deal, which is calculated to be as generous as possible while still being rejected by the Bandera of western ukraine
The Bandera will reject the offer, and Putin and Trump look like the good guys and that frees up their future moves.”

Hot Carl | Aug 9 2025 18:24 utc | 28
Excellent way for Trump to leave the scene honorably, and Putin to finish off the SMO with possible repercussions for the suppliers of arms to Ukraine. (including UK and EU etc.)
The EU will have to “put their money where their mouth is” to use an Aussie phrase, and of course they are not able to, particularly as they ALSO continue to supply and aid the Zionists at the same time.

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 9 2025 18:38 utc | 29

Trump’s Ukraine routine and people for the gazillionth time buying it… that deserves a big fat Fell For It Again Award!

Posted by: xor | Aug 9 2025 18:48 utc | 30

Posted by: Grieved | Aug 9 2025 18:09 utc | 20
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Well put.
We can all remember negotiations with Iran not so long ago.
Unlikely that America has discovered integrity in a few weeks. They have centuries of Anglo perfidy (Perfidious Albion) as their established practice.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 18:52 utc | 31

Personally, given that Alaska used to belong to Russia, I think Putin is just trolling Trump by having the meeting there.

Posted by: forceOfHabit | Aug 9 2025 18:55 utc | 32

@ Barstool | Aug 9 2025 18:18 utc | 25
Correction. Since LD posts *a lot*, I admit it’s difficult to avoid and unfair to you to suggest “skip it” as a remedy. Instead, try to find that JavaScript plugin once discussed here.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 9 2025 19:01 utc | 33

Just on RT: Putin called Xi, Modi, Lukashenko, Tokayev (Kazakhstan), Mirziyoyev (Uzbekistan) on Friday, after his meeting with Trump envoy Witkoff. On the day before, Putin called Ramaphosa (South Africa).

Posted by: Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:03 utc | 34

Re: Grieved #20
Trump administration is overturning and resetting policy that has been in place for 50 years
The “Savior” is the fulfilment of right-wing fascist policy from McCarthyism – Goldwater – John Birch Society – Henry Jackson Society [Est. London 2005] – Tea Party w QAnon conspiracy – many years working undercover …
Joe Biden was pretty much the same as Trump 1.0 MAGA
“American Revival of the Barry Goldwater Era”

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2025 19:07 utc | 35

@ Hugo | Aug 9 2025 17:36 utc | 4
‘this is his last offramp’… yes, i share your balanced perspective.. thanks..
it is possible something good can come out of this, but given the inability of the usa and west to do anything honourable, it is hard to imagine.. i would like to be convinced otherwise though, so we’ll see how it unfolds..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2025 19:11 utc | 36

Anchorage, Alaska will provide a very different scene and atmosphere than the usual summit locations.
Only someone from the far north, can really know the feelings that comes from being that far north.
May the far north play it’s magic for peace.

Posted by: Blind Bridge Troll | Aug 9 2025 19:13 utc | 37

A raunchy twist to this is…Medvedev (allegedly) refers to copies of “past depravities” being in more than the hands of the beloved ones and the loudmouthed new yorker’s real estate crony pal is suddenly knocking on Russia’s door looking for a “deal”. It still isn’t exactly clear which side initiated this thing.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 9 2025 19:13 utc | 38

Oreshnik makes tripwire bases obsolete: see Ritter’s discussion.
https://youtu.be/zcKBF0wz5CI?si=8dtpw8-MT2_7BXp4
Calling Jeremy Rhymings-Lang.
Alaska talks happening now has little to do with anything happening on the battlefront, the Yalta+ architecture RF wants or what the Ukronazis want. These are all narrative distractions. Real Politic has finally gained some traction in the US blob. No US base or power accumulations in its suzeranties cant be protected.
If Ritter is right, the projectiles that hit Yuzmash were duds without explosive cores. If a oreshnik battalion hit lets say Ramstein it would be completely neutralized including for and especiaal a logistics hub. Everything underground gone.
The only logical path for Alaska is dispose of Ukraine and mover to arms control. The RF can afford to negotiate with steel balls. The narratives playing now are designed to poll well for Trump.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 9 2025 19:13 utc | 39

I didn’t see this discussed here: Azerbaijian began sending gas through the pipeline Baku-Kiev. Part of it goes via the formerly Russian pipeline. Last night, Russian drones attacked the gas condenser station in Ismail (this is near Odessa).
As has been discussed, a new geopolitical development is Armenia’s capitulation (to Azerbaijan and the USA), and Western plans for the Sangesur corridor. If successful, this would turn Azerbaijan, previously friendly/neutral to Russia, into a US asset, i.e. an enemy. Sending Azeri gas (the country is a major producer) to Ukraine is a big part of the plan; last night’s attack shows Russia’s intent and capability to spoil it.
Source: Anti-Spiegel (German)

Posted by: Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:16 utc | 40

Posted by: forceOfHabit | Aug 9 2025 18:55 utc | 35
“Personally, given that Alaska used to belong to Russia, I think Putin is just trolling Trump by having the meeting there.”
The presence of Russia in today’s Alaska is not to be disdained, beyond Russian geographic names. An Orthodox Church in Unalaska, aka Dutch Harbor could be a good place, since there has been joint work USA-USSR from back in the late 70’s. It would be quite symbolic. Sitka could be another place, the Capital city of Russian Alaska. But those places are too small and the airport runway in Dutch Harbor is ridiculously short, so there are logistic problems, but the cultural impact and message would be huuuuuge.
Probably it will be Anchorage, but hopefully this time the US organizers will do a lot better, their previous act with the Chinese was pathetically sloppy and the results catastrophic since the Chinese sent the US delegation to collect wild berries in the tundra.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 9 2025 19:18 utc | 41

Zelenski and the Europeans will continue fighting no matter what the US agrees with Russia. Thus the Russians will go on fighting. End of Ukraine.

Posted by: Kaiama | Aug 9 2025 19:25 utc | 42

VVP would not be leaving Russisn soil unless he had something very substantial in his pocket. What the RF has and how does DJT be made the hero of the Gen Zs who put him into office and will keep the House (R) is the calculus the RF needs to play here. Project Ukraine is a speedbump.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 9 2025 19:32 utc | 43

Re: Konami #43
Syria was a Turkic victory, so is Azerbaijian … delivery of gas to the HTS led government in Damascus.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2025 19:34 utc | 44

Posted by: Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:03 utc | 37
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics/156910
Vladimir Putin had a phone conversation with Brazilian President Lula da Silva, the Kremlin reported
I guess it’s to make sure the allies stay on board while the US empire performs it ritual kabuki theater before another pending diplomatic attack on the RF.
Azerbaijan is hostile to Russia. The way RT journalists and technical staff were flogged and put on display like terrorist was a demonstration of that. The physical appearance of the Russian RT journalists and technical staff in Azeri detention even looked similar to the post “interrogation” of the 4 Krokus Hall terrorists in Russian detention.
One hopes that Iran and Russia find a way to clip Aliev’s wings who has been flying too close to the sun.

Posted by: xor | Aug 9 2025 19:35 utc | 45

Fact check.
chunga | 41
Nowhere on Medvedev’s official twitter or telegram does he make the claim or imply kompromat on Trump is held by others as well as Mossad.
I checked. If you find it (original source) post it.
Konami 43
You didn’t see here that Russia blew up the Baku Kiev /Azerbaijan/ gas pipeline.
But it was posted here. Last thread, or the one before.
The significance bears repeating, but it had been noted here.

Posted by: Fact Check | Aug 9 2025 19:35 utc | 46

Someone on Christoforou’s YT today had a funny comment about Trump agreeing to Minsk II and RF getting Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporizhzhia, and Kherson – “Putin: Throw in Alaska and you got yourself a deal!”

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2025 19:36 utc | 47

Paco: the 2021 Anchorage meeting was a fiasco but this time it’s a different US team with a different opponent and clearly different goals. I have no idea what Biden/Blinken expected from that meeting but I recall that the Chinese spoke unusually clearly (=not in veiled diplomatic language) and they have been much more forceful diplomatically since then.
My mental model is that Team Biden represented the US faction that wanted to “deal with” Russia before China whereas for Team Trump (especially Vance) it’s the other way around. This is certainly too simple but hopefully not entirely wrong. Even so, I don’t understand what Anchorage 2021 was supposed to achieve for the USA.
On the other hand, in a lost position the awkward move may incur greater loss (=you lose faster) than the standard move but also prolong the match if it complicates the situation sufficiently. In other words: I don’t see any path to a US victory, it all looks bleak. That said, cutting losses by passing the Ukraine desaster into UK/EU hands (and after having gained substantially from it already) looks like an excellent move. This is certainly something that’s thinkable for Team Trump, assuming the circumstances are reasonable:
– Headlines/pictures to sell to the US public.
– Treaties/trade for (part of) US capital.
– Parking the blame elsewhere (Selenksy!)
– Brussel’s tariff capitulation shows that EU can make noises but won’t resist
Thank you for the details on Alaska, those were interesting. I expect the US team to be better prepared than last time. The stakes are higher. And Donny craves a deal!

Posted by: Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:36 utc | 48

@ Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:16 utc | 43
i heard russia attacked this a few days ago…

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2025 19:38 utc | 49

Posted by: Fact Check | Aug 9 2025 19:35 utc | 49
You didn’t see here that Russia blew up the Baku Kiev /Azerbaijan/ gas pipeline.
But it was posted here. Last thread, or the one before.
The significance bears repeating, but it had been noted here.

Thank you for clarification; I apologise for not noting — it is hard to follow this forum.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 9 2025 19:34 utc | 47
Syria was a Turkic victory, so is Azerbaijian … delivery of gas to the HTS led government in Damascus.

Yes, the Pan-Turk plans extend in both directions. Erdogan (sort of) won on the South front and is scheming on the Caucasus front. And he got PKK’s Öcalan to resign. I imagine that there are many domestic problems… no idea what common people think of the old man’s geopolitical ambitions. (Domestic problems –> external aggression is a common recipe.)

Posted by: Konami | Aug 9 2025 19:42 utc | 50

Someone, IIRC Mark Sleboda on Dima, noted that choosing Alaska over say Turkiye, Emirates, KSA etc was adding insult to injury toward Europe by both Trump and Putin, I think Sleboda nailed it.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2025 19:51 utc | 51

Considering how many people in the Deep State hate both Putin and Trump, this summit could present an opportunity/target too good to miss.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 9 2025 20:07 utc | 52

Paco | Aug 9 2025 19:18 utc | 44–
As I opined, Putin will take the opportunity to travel East to follow up on his 2023 trip where master plans for city and regional development were discussed and made part of his critically important 2024 Leap Day Visionary Speech for Russia’s future. He may also visit Kamchatka to see the quake damage and the erupting volcanoes.
No one has yet to provide a credible answer to the question I posed: What was said that was deemed acceptable by Russia? IMO, there are a dozen possibilities some of which are related to Ukraine and what Russia deems the roots of the conflict. Maybe the December 2021 issues will finally be discussed which reside at the core of the problem. IMO, the inducement had to be something very significant with a high probability of resolution occurring.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:08 utc | 53

Alaska for the bi-lat is cute.
Security wise.. presumably while UAE, Rome, Turkiye were being placed in the media, Alaska had already been decided and an advance security team already landed and securing and locking down before anyone knew what was afoot.
Individually Trump and Putin are assassination targets. Together. Mossad could simply not resist.
Alaska reminds people Russia and USA share a border. It puts the Arctic and the Northern Sea Route back into focus.
Putin can fly over Russian airspace right until he enters protected USA airspace.
The Green Goblin can’t “just happen to be in the neighbourhood” the way he could gatecrash if it was in Rome or Turkiye or UAE.
Alaska was once Russian and this reminds people there was cooperation and transactions going back centuries.
Helsinki remembers it was once important enough to have hosting honours… but it’s now a NATO stooge and irrelevant.
Turkiye is contaminated by hosting the Green Goblin’s team too many times.
And Rome? Again, NATO. Some were thinking The Vatican. But Russia(Putin) is orthodox, and Trump is godless, and there’s an American pope.
Alaska ticks a lot of boxes.
The accommodations might be plain and pedestrian, but neither will be in town long enough to care.
Fly in, find out, fly away. The whole show will be likely less than 6 hours, from wheels down to wheels away.

Posted by: Jerry Cairns | Aug 9 2025 20:09 utc | 54

Westerners don’t get news about how Russia and China dominate international intellectual competitions.
If a tree falls and no one hears it…
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 17:57 utc | 13
No, westerners don’t get that sort of news. Some of us might realize the advantage China and Russia gave themselves. Teaching their children math and science is starting to bear good and honorable fruit.
A whole generation, or several, of the West wasted on…DEI, panic attacks, women who wanna be men and vice versa, what hole for sex, I could go on, but we’re at a bar. Don’t want to harsh anyone’s vibes, don’t want no one getting sick now.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 9 2025 20:10 utc | 55

karlof1
If Russia gets full recognition of Crimea (possession being 10/10ths of the case) and the 5 oblasts they have already inducted into the RF, without having to fight on through this summer, next winter and maybe next spring. That’s a good deal.

Posted by: Guest | Aug 9 2025 20:15 utc | 56

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2025 19:51 utc | 54
The true insult would have been Yalta.
Alaska is a big territory. Beware of drones… for instance launched from a truck…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 9 2025 20:16 utc | 57

The whole show will be likely less than 6 hours, from wheels down to wheels away.
Posted by: Jerry Cairns | Aug 9 2025 20:09 utc | 57
Your whole post is exactly what I was thinking.
Now the Green Goblin can’t run around “being important” to no one important.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 9 2025 20:18 utc | 58

Yes, Putin has been made an offer that is too good to resist. It is called ”bait”.
Odds of Putin leaving Alaska alive are minuscule. If he goes he’s a fool.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2025 20:31 utc | 59

Calling Jeremy Rhymings-Lang

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 9 2025 19:13 utc | 42
You rang? Returning your call, I will restrict my observations to what happened local to me during the evening (my time) when we watched the emerging video footage of those six mysterious “rods from God” light up the cloudbase.
Roughly 50km from me is the big (for Britain) military base at Warminster in the county of Wiltshire. Usually we see/hear a Chinook thudding across the sky about once a month; that evening, three flew past in less than an hour, the characteristic noise from the rotors is unmistakeable.
There hasn’t been a repeat occurrence of formation Chinook flying since then.
Someone’s regular routine was disturbed by something…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 9 2025 20:32 utc | 60

@ Barstool | Aug 9 2025 18:08 utc | 19
Again with a zero-substance jab at LD…
I didn’t see him strike you physically. Did he fart on you? Change your name.
Posted by: I forgot | Aug 9 2025 18:15 utc | 22
Must be love there, I forgot. Barstool is begging LD to sit on him. Actually, looking real desperate for attention, too. What a terrible thing it must be for poor barstool to realize he hasn’t matured enough to legally buy a drink.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 9 2025 20:33 utc | 61

I largely agree with that.
Trump wants the Nobel Prize, which is Putin’s “carrot” dangling in front of Trump.
A meeting with great media fanfare, a “peace proposal” that Z and Europe reject, so it doesn’t happen. But Trump then has the image of a peacemaker, the blame now lies with Z and Europe, and the US is off the hook, financially and in the media.
Putin can take that in stride, Russia continues as before, and sooner or later Ukraine and Europe will come begging for peace. (The war against Sweden lasted 25 years).

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 9 2025 20:33 utc | 62

Naive 60
The drones have to be planned and placed. Those sort of ops take time, teams and a bit of bribery.
The Trump Putin meet caught everyone off guard.
Alaska doubled down on the surprise.
Anything and everything is possible. But drones in trucks or whatever needed to be placed before the meeting was announced.
Presumably USA presidential security is all over Alaska already.
That’s among the reasons it’s a cute choice. No one expected that.
The Goblins team was salivating about UAE or Turkiye.

Posted by: Jerry Cairns | Aug 9 2025 20:34 utc | 63

Seems to me there’s going to be a whole lot of fools on the 15th and none of them is going to be President Putin.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 9 2025 20:34 utc | 64

Trump knows he has to take a loss in Ukraine.
Has he gobsmacked the MSM into thinking he is NOT in Putin’s pocket now? Since the Russiagate news has been suppressed there still may be legs in the deception.
Meeting in Alaska does support Trump’ cred as a leader as this cut from a ZH posting shows

Donald Trump stays true to his line and asserts dominance over the geopolitical chessboard — symbolically as well. Following the announcement of a trade deal with the EU at his golf resort in Turnberry, Scotland, peace talks in the Ukraine conflict with Russian President Vladimir Putin are now scheduled in Alaska.
The venue of a negotiation often predefines the balance of power between opponents.

I think the timing of the meeting is such that Russia will have Ukraine down for the count when it happens….Trump will say it was Biden’s war and Thank You for your attention to this matter……the shit show continues until it doesn’t

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 9 2025 20:35 utc | 65

Posted by: Naive | Aug 9 2025 20:16 utc | 60
########
Play that out in your mind.
If Putin or Trump is killed, what happens next?
Russia or America could kill the other’s leader anytime.
I still do not believe anything substantial (in a positive direction) will happen.
Trump will frame a great deal, and the Russians will dissent, the Western media will hype Trump’s statement and ignore Russia’s.
America cannot give Putin what he wants, and Putin cannot give Trump what NATO wants.
Nothing has changed in 9 months except that America is in worse shape, and Russia has taken more territory.
Oh, and any blackmail material Israel had via Epstein may have found its way to Russia by way of the Mossad.
If I were Putin, I would play Trump some video from the Epstein archives after coffee is served.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 20:35 utc | 66

Guest | Aug 9 2025 20:15 utc | 59–
Thanks for your reply. The Outlaw US Empire cannot cede Ukrainian territory, although it destroyed Ukrainian sovereignty. Legally, the only entity that can agree to new borders is Ukraine. That issue and those related to it I’ve written on often.
Russia has political issues it needs to conform to given SMO goals and its causes, and the Russian public will clearly see any sort of Minsk 3 for what it is and reject it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:36 utc | 67

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:08 utc | 56
Salud Karl, interesting times indeed, a lot could happen, why not be good neighbors, its just a narrow strait in between, and there is experience of collaboration in that geographic area as I said, even during the hottest years of the Cold War. The presence of Dmitriev suggests me that.
Its going to be painful though, a lot of blood has been spilt and a lot of destruction too. Let us hope for the best, I see Alaska for a summit as a very powerful and positive start, something in common.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 9 2025 20:37 utc | 68

BILD: “WITKOFF MISUNDERSTOOD PUTIN”
According to the Russian version of the German news outlet Bild, Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff may have seriously misunderstood Putin in preliminary talks for a “peace summit” in Alaska on Ukraine:
Ukrainian sources consulted by BILD say Vladimir Putin still wants full control of the Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions. He has proposed only a partial ceasefire, a refusal to attack energy facilities and large cities in the rear. But not a complete ceasefire.
The United States, in contrast, offered to freeze the conflict along the current front line in exchange for a broad lifting of sanctions and new economic agreements with Russia. According to BILD, the Kremlin did not want to accept this proposal.
Moreover, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff misunderstood Putin’s statements and took them as a concession. He allegedly confused the “peaceful withdrawal” of Ukrainians from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia requested by Russia as a proposal for a “peaceful withdrawal” of Russians from these same regions.
“Witkoff does not know what he is talking about,” a Ukrainian government official told BILD. According to the editors, this assessment is shared by German government representatives.
On the evening of July 7, BILD learned that a teleconference had been held between the United States-namely Special Envoy Witkoff, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, and Vice President J.D. Vance-and European partners. The Europeans have the impression that the Americans themselves have not yet come to a common understanding of what is going on. This is mainly due to Witkoff, whose statements about his conversation with Putin in the Kremlin were perceived as confusing. To the Europeans he seemed overwhelmed and incompetent when talking about territorial issues.
Moreover, there seems to be a disagreement between Witkoff and Rubio on the role of Europe. The secretary of state stressed that Europeans should be involved in the negotiation process, while Vance and Witkoff only wanted to inform Europe about the results of Trump’s next steps.
This is so retarded that I’d actually believe it was real. At least it’d explain Trump’s bombast when he talked of “BIG Russian concessions!!!!”.

Posted by: Arvind | Aug 9 2025 20:37 utc | 69

They use English language and propaganda and PR through centuries of developing Britain as their ‘fortress island’ – the original pirates treasure island. The Lords of the circus rings.
Cultural hegemony through appearance of authority of words. English words. That’s why this blog is in English. It cuts both ways!
The stateless shapeshifters – because their empire was taken from them by their ancient victims and slave ‘herds’ they exploited for centuries before.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 9 2025 20:40 utc | 70

Naive @ 60
Deep State’s chance to take out both Trump and Putin. Sounds snarky but in today’s pre-apocalyptic world absolutely anything is possible. Remember ClownWorld has no limits otherwise it wouldn’t be ClownWorld.
Lots of brave Russian soldiers and citizens putting their live on the line everyday, Putin should do nothing less, so, it’s off to Alaska. It’s good press for Putin, and supposedly there will be a reciprocal meeting in Russia if this is successful. Functional countries send underlings to unprepared meetings, so this meeting isn’t as ad hoc and a break with protocol as it appears, it’s some sort of theater and important agreements have already been ironed out, this meeting is to finalize something, anything less would risk embarrassment for both and that’a never a basis for a meeting of heads of state, they only meet when success is rock solid.
Still, I’ll believe it when I see it, the USA isn’t abandoning the 34y/o juggernaut to reaffirm hegemony, it’s up to something.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2025 20:42 utc | 71

@ Arvind | Aug 9 2025 20:37 utc | 72
germany and ukraine blaming the messenger and saying he got it wrong..lol.. right.. more garbage from the msm..

Posted by: james | Aug 9 2025 20:42 utc | 72

William Gruff | Aug 9 2025 20:31 utc | 62–
I gave the “bait” idea some thought but rejected it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:42 utc | 73

Arvind
How many 🤣🤡🥴 emojis does one post in applause.
It sounds so Monty Python / Yes Prime Minister it has to be real

Posted by: Clownshoes | Aug 9 2025 20:44 utc | 74

Zelenski’s fate ought to be studied by every head of state, as part of lessons learned.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 9 2025 20:44 utc | 75

I think Putin likes Trump. Trump is, in a way, predictable, and no one has done more for BRICS than Trump, bringing Brazil and India closer to Russia and China.
China loves Trump. Its economy is exploding under Trump’s rule. It has successfully shifted many of its exports to the ROW. It is winning the chip war and has assumed the AI lead.
Now, when Trump attacks Venezuela, we will see. Right now, Trump is good for de-dollarization and the development of the Global South.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 20:47 utc | 76

Paco | Aug 9 2025 20:37 utc | 71–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I too hope for something positive to emerge. But I’m still wary as LightYearsFromHome | Aug 9 2025 20:42 utc | 74 opines–it’s up to something.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:49 utc | 77

Passerby
There’s plenty of previous examples Zelensky should have studied.
Gaddafi being a good recent example.
Will Zelensky end up being sodomised by an Azov trident ?
Second thoughts, being a homo, he’s probably already partaken .and enjoyed it.

Posted by: OldSpice | Aug 9 2025 20:52 utc | 78

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:49 utc | 80
Anything is possible, but it is the safest place to meet since there is no need to cruise foreign airspaces for any of them. Remote, somehow isolated, the perfect place in spite of the storms and rough weather of the Bering Sea.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 9 2025 20:59 utc | 79

***Maybe the December 2021 issues will finally be discussed which reside at the core of the problem. IMO, the inducement had to be something very significant with a high probability of resolution occurring.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 9 2025 20:08 utc | 56
100%. By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 9 2025 21:00 utc | 80

@Jerry Cairns | Aug 9 2025 20:09 utc | 57

Security wise.. presumably while UAE, Rome, Turkiye were being placed in the media, Alaska had already been decided and an advance security team already landed and securing and locking down before anyone knew what was afoot.

One additional benefit of Alaska is that it is an exclave of the United States. Anyone entering Alaska this week would have to cross an international border or pass strict airport security checks. No pro-Ukrop saboteurs or protesters can enter Alaska without strict monitoring.

Alaska was once Russian and this reminds people there was cooperation and transactions going back centuries…
The accommodations might be plain and pedestrian, but neither will be in town long enough to care.
Fly in, find out, fly away. The whole show will be likely less than 6 hours, from wheels down to wheels away.

I predict that Putin will stay overnight. He will have to visit a church and meet members of the Russian Orthodox Church in America, many of them native Americans. Maybe the church can provide some guesthouse for Putin to stay. There are many Orthodox monasteries in Alaska, some on them on Spruce Island .

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 9 2025 21:00 utc | 81

Alaska is hugely significant as the meeting place. Where in Alaska?
Russia and the US did a deal here before, great deal for the yanks as it turned out, all that oil and much more.
Alaska is about as far away from London, Paris and Berlin as you can get.
Trump and Putin have been working towards this since day 1 of Trump’s presidency. The private bankers won’t like this, been left out in the icy cold and sweating.
The end of globalism taking place where the sun doesn’t go down is apt.

Posted by: Ogre | Aug 9 2025 21:04 utc | 82

https://geopolitiq.substack.com/p/israel-to-occupy-gaza-city-germany
My latest article focussing on the developments of the last 48 hours around the world and trying to connect the dots:
– Putin’s meeting with Trump in Alaska next Friday, 15th August,
– the peace agreement between Armenia and Azerbaijan in Washington DC,
– Russian and Iranian reactions to the US-brokered peace deal between Armenia and Azerbaijan,
– the Israeli plan to occupy Gaza City,
– German suspension of all approvals for military exports to Israel,
– Iran’s and Yemen’s condemnation of the new Zionist plan,
– Hezbollah’s stance against its disarmament (ready to fight to death against it!).

Posted by: Ismaele | Aug 9 2025 21:05 utc | 83

This whole situation is the most open example yet of the side-lining of Europe, including the UK. Witness the frantically hurried and breathless contacts going on between the various “leading players”.
Andrei Martyanov frequently makes the point that the US and Russia must maintain some kind of contact, channels of dialogue etc., because of their military weight, including nuclear; they need a modus vivendi, however uncomfortable. This dialogue was dangerously lacking under the Biden regime, so, like Trump or not, where we are now is vastly safer than two years ago.
There won’t be any assassination attempts; JD Vance is in Britain to tell them what is what, laying down the new rules-based order.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 9 2025 21:07 utc | 84

Today in German TV they interviewed a Ukrainian couple who had fled Ukraine and lives in Germany now. When asked about returning to their hometown – which is now under Russian control – they said they could never do that. The woman was wearing an amulet with a sun-wheel and a sig-rune…

Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 9 2025 21:12 utc | 85

Apollyon | Aug 9 2025 21:12 utc | 88
Another answer would not be publishable in Germany.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 9 2025 21:16 utc | 86

A reminder that since Trump was inaugurated this time, zero progress has been made on opening a Russian embassy, re-establishing direct flights, and frozen Russian funds inside America remain frozen. No sanctions have been lifted under Trump; instead, more sanctions have been applied.
Last week, Trump signed an EO stating that Russia presents a national security threat to America.
Temper your expectations, friends.
The signs do not point towards an amicable deal.
IMO, this may be successful stalling by Putin and/or lobbying for a Nobel by Trump, who has ridiculously inflated the casualties from the SMO to make any peace he can claim responsibility for “seem” that much of a bigger deal.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 9 2025 21:17 utc | 87

One possibility that could be tasty enough “bait” for Putin is the idea floated by others already that this is more Trumpian kayfabe theater. Both sides will make “Yuuuge!” concessions only for the Europeons and the kosher Nazi to flat out reject the deal. This will give Trump the maneuvering room to finally wash his hands of the whole mess, and Putin will get to continue the SMO, only now with much less US involvement.
I still maintain that the Deep State/Establishment will try their hardest to off both of them in one event, but the above scenario would satisfy both Trump’s and Putin’s needs. Both get to claim “Hey, we really tried! Look at the concessions we offered!” while the blame lands squarely on the eurofascists.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2025 21:19 utc | 88

Trump wants the Nobel Prize, which is Putin’s “carrot” dangling in front of Trump. Posted by: smartfox | Aug 9 2025 20:33 utc | 65
Nah. Trump wants to grift even more than he wants a Nobel Prize. Putin promised him 60% of royalties from the NFTs that get issued from this meeting, plus a couple of hotties who can’t write tell-all English books.

Posted by: You all got it wrong | Aug 9 2025 21:20 utc | 89

Yes, Putin has been made an offer that is too good to resist. It is called ”bait”.
Odds of Putin leaving Alaska alive are minuscule. If he goes he’s a fool.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2025 20:31 utc | 62
I totaly agree.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2025 21:20 utc | 90

Massive move by the Kissingerarians.
Last chance for the right wing nut jobs to pivot towards China.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Aug 9 2025 21:20 utc | 91

Zelenski’s fate ought to be studied by every head of state, as part of lessons learned.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 9 2025 20:44 utc | 78
Zelensky!
A mediocrity that rose to this position because an oligarch created and funded his ascent.
There something to be studied to be sure.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 9 2025 21:21 utc | 92

A Russian view of the upcoming talks by Lt Col Mikhail Popov, map illustrator for Marat’s updates on the Frontlines.
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/mikhail-popov-opinion?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=2099482&post_id=170536053&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=1pwvtt&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2025 21:26 utc | 93

Of course the neo libs in Europe will try and counter this Kissingerarian move.
They will both lose.
The Kissingerarians live in a fantasy world.
Europe is needed as a proxy as The US pivot towards China.
The neocons have always been in charge. Brian Berletic’s latest….
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuPRc-7WyM&pp=ygUYYnJpYW4gYmVybGV0aWMgbmV3IGF0bGFz
Brian will be right yet again.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Aug 9 2025 21:27 utc | 94

Most people would be surprised next week.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 9 2025 21:29 utc | 95

Presumably USA presidential security is all over Alaska already.
Posted by: Jerry Cairns | Aug 9 2025 20:34 utc | 66
The same security as in Pennsylvania?
The neocons are powerful enough to do it. One week is a lot of time.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 9 2025 21:32 utc | 96

Steve | 5 : “This is such a clown show that I wonder why some otherwise intelligent commentators are falling for the charade. If one reads the Russian media it seems like the Putin-Trump meeting is a Christmas on the horizon. I have read many statements from people in high places within the Russian government which seems to suggest that Trump is trustworthy, and that it is some mythical deep state who are not allowing him to make peace with Russia. Nonsense! Trump is a psychopath and a war criminal like the rest of the Western elites. If this meeting ever happens, it would be another ploy to buy time for a regroup. It is clear the West is playing good and bad cops. Trump says he wants a deal and the EU psychopaths are throwing tantrums. Both sides are playing their parts from the same script. I would be surprised if Russians fall for this gimmick one more time. Minsk-1, Minsk-2 and now Alaska (Minsk-3)?”
Agree!
Also: kudos to LoveDonbass for always great insights, and to many others, including Perimetr, etc.
Trump is a psychopath. The US is a psychopathic state. It needs to be defeated for any chance of peace.

Posted by: GT | Aug 9 2025 21:33 utc | 97

Most people would be surprised next week.
Posted by: pepe | Aug 9 2025 21:29 utc | 98
One way or the other, yes, surely!

Posted by: Naive | Aug 9 2025 21:34 utc | 98

Posted by: Arvind | Aug 9 2025 20:37 utc | 72
>>>
You are actually right! Americans do not understand the mind of a Russian.
That’s a big problem in diplomacy. And it always fail.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 9 2025 21:37 utc | 99

Yes, Putin has been made an offer that is too good to resist. It is called ”bait”.
Odds of Putin leaving Alaska alive are minuscule. If he goes he’s a fool.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 9 2025 20:31 utc | 62
I totaly agree.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 9 2025 21:20 utc | 93
Welcome!
This bar generously caters to halfwits, imbiciles and the intellectually challenged, so feel at home.

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 9 2025 21:37 utc | 100