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August 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-183
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Henry IV waited three days barefoot in the snow — what’s the Putin equivalent of that? (The history is more complex too: Henry’s self-humiliation was a power play that forced the pope to revoke Henry’s excommunication.) Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 13:26 utc | 201 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2025 12:24 utc | 185 Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2025 13:29 utc | 202 RE: “Trump’s opposition to BRICS proves beyond all doubt that he has no business being named a Peace Prize Candidate and instead is a War Criminal Candidate.” Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 14 2025 13:30 utc | 203 Newbie | Aug 14 2025 12:24 utc | 185 Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 14 2025 13:31 utc | 204
You know how pub talks goes: “They’ll kill him!” And we had that here but I’m way too lazy to look it up 🙂
It’s a triviality that the chance of Putin (or Trump or actually anybody) getting murdered is >0. As trivial that the chances are higher for Vladimir and Donald than for Tel and Konami. Alright. Nobody here has been talking about probabilities, it was plain “if he goes, they’ll kill him”. Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 13:38 utc | 205 Why bother taking Odessa when Russia has total air supremacy to bomb any economic infrastructure into smithereens? Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 14 2025 13:38 utc | 206 “That they never made it off the boat is just glorious.” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 13:39 utc | 207 maybe a president swap would be a good idea.. Posted by: wishfulthinking | Aug 14 2025 13:40 utc | 208
What has Russia done to you, sir? You’re excused if you’re a midwestern chap who’s just longing for some solid leadership. Not enough Putins to go around! Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 13:41 utc | 209 @fanto | Thu, 14 Aug 2025 04:05:00 GMT | 134
Bob Marley’s football boot. A hidden copper wire stung his toe, then an aggressive cancer developed right there – the boot was a gift presented to him. A wild tale, but apparently common knowledge in the Carribean according to a great piece of longform reporting in a local newspaper which I can’t dig up again. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 14 2025 13:44 utc | 210 Just published, “Summit Preparation News From Russia”, all the info provided by Kremlin on the Summit that is mostly omitted by Russian media and you’ll never see in Western media. It seems like there is a hidden hand influencing western geo-politics and national politics at this time more than usual. Posted by: jared | Aug 14 2025 13:55 utc | 212 @persiflo | Aug 14 2025 13:44 utc | 210
Give Peace A Chance Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2025 13:56 utc | 213 Posted by: JamesBond | Aug 14 2025 13:19 utc | 200 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 14 2025 14:00 utc | 214
I believe that’s just a hope which never really works out. Societies are really good at capturing counter/sub/pop culture. Here are some random examples: Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 14:02 utc | 215 Clash Report nitter: Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 14 2025 14:03 utc | 216 @YetAnotherAnon | Thu, 14 Aug 2025 12:18:00 GMT | 182
That’s super interesting, thanks. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 14 2025 14:05 utc | 217 Trubind1 | Aug 14 2025 13:30 utc | 203–
Where I differ is key since IMO it’s not Europe that has a “monopoly on the rule of humanity,” but the Outlaw US Empire with its predatory policy of global domination its pursued for over 30 years, which some would argue is 80+. Also, just what is NATO? Who actually runs the shop? Which entity continues to contribute most to its existence? The answer to all three is the Outlaw US Empire. Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 13:38 utc | 205 Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 14 2025 14:15 utc | 219
Thank you for compiling this. (If you care: there’s duplication in “Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Lavrov Sergey Lavrov Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation” and following but perhaps that’s intended?) Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 14:18 utc | 220 VVP will attempt to give DJT some political cover, while not stopping the Summer Offensive now gaining huge amounts of space each and every day. Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 14 2025 14:18 utc | 221 karlof1 @ 211 Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 14 2025 14:19 utc | 222 LoveDonbass | Aug 14 2025 3:48 utc | 130 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2025 14:32 utc | 223 Posted by: Passerby | Aug 14 2025 9:17 utc | 159
that was already in July !!!
Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 14 2025 14:33 utc | 224 Posted by: WMG | Aug 14 2025 10:49 utc | 169
already awake ? Posted by: ghiwen | Aug 14 2025 14:35 utc | 225 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 14 2025 14:08 utc | 218 Posted by: snake | Aug 14 2025 14:36 utc | 226 @ karlof1 | Aug 14 2025 13:54 utc | 211 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 14 2025 14:37 utc | 227
Amen. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 14 2025 14:42 utc | 228 As someone here reported about the readiness of the Burevestnik Rocket, here the answer from Grok how the system works: Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Aug 14 2025 14:43 utc | 229 Thanks for the replies. What’s discussed at the working breakfast will depend on the results of the face-to-face talks that precede it. IMO, the topic will be arms control since the Empire is so woefully behind and outmatched. There might be some sort of commercial agreement for Russia to sell reactor fuel desperately required by the Empire that might also lead to discussion about the JCPOA. IMO, the hopes Putin expressed to his team are unlikely to bear fruit in any deeper sense given the Summit’s very rushed nature. We shall see and leave the spin to those paid to lie. *** I’m a Muslim, nothing happens without God’s remit.*** Posted by: Johann von Oberndorf | Aug 14 2025 14:59 utc | 231 I find it very hard to believe, that Duda DIDN’T know that Ukraine is a Neo-Nazi leaning state – before he accept many Ukrainians into Poland – I mean many streets and monuments in Ukraine are named in tribute – to WWII Nazi sympathisers. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 15:02 utc | 232 Trump has said he is just going to listen and not bring anything new to the table Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 14 2025 15:06 utc | 233 30,000 troops who is Starmer trying to kid – that was all pie-in-the-sky if you ask me, no after the Japanese -chased the cowardly Brits out of Singapore in WWII, the sleekit backstabbing Brits – have preferred to have – a duped proxy force to do their fighting for them, of course the British terrorist outfits the SAS and SBS still go into countries illegally to cause murder and mayhem, to try and pave the way for an illegal regime change. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 15:09 utc | 234 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 15:09 utc | 234 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 14 2025 15:11 utc | 235 persiflo | Aug 14 2025 13:44 utc | 210 Posted by: fanto | Aug 14 2025 15:14 utc | 236 Night Tripper @ 233
It’s always better to listen than to talk, maybe Trump’s evolving, an exercise in character development? Maybe the meeting was suggested by Trump’s analyst? Said with a Brooklyn Jewish accent, “Go, go, it will do you good”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 14 2025 15:14 utc | 237 snake | Aug 14 2025 14:36 utc | 226– Belarus – Russia ZAPAD – 2025 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 14 2025 15:15 utc | 239 persiflo | Aug 14 2025 14:05 utc | 217 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 15:21 utc | 240 Johann von Oberndorf | Aug 14 2025 14:59 utc | 231 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2025 15:23 utc | 241 The reality contradicts Putin’s statement: Posted by: Dagny Taggart | Aug 14 2025 15:24 utc | 242 Info from folks living near Ramstein says the new facilities at the Landstuhl Military Hospital run by the US are huge: 9 surgery wards and 4-6,000 beds was the count floated. Construction readies in 2027. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 14 2025 15:25 utc | 243 Persiflo 210 Posted by: NJH | Aug 14 2025 15:28 utc | 244
You make it sounds as if that’s a bad thing. And “criticising CCP” is a euphemism: Ma wanted microcredits to boost revenue but the party saw potential for social problems further down the road. So there was a conflict of interest between an important capitalist and the power structure. The truly important fact is that in “communist” China, the capitalist lost. This is impossible, even unthinkable, in the West. Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 15:29 utc | 245 @ Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 14:02 utc | 215 Posted by: fnord | Aug 14 2025 15:29 utc | 246 Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 14 2025 0:08 utc | 94 Posted by: scc | Aug 14 2025 15:30 utc | 247 Posted by: NJH | Aug 14 2025 15:28 utc | 244 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 14 2025 15:32 utc | 248 « Principle of nuclear propulsion: A small nuclear reactor onboard the missile generates heat through nuclear fission. » Posted by: scc | Aug 14 2025 15:39 utc | 249 You can damn well bet the CIA/MI6 has been working at ways to infect people with cancer for the last 80ys, if they mastered it there wouldn’t be a resistance leader, economic, political, military, cultural, high or low born left standing. That doesn’t mean they didn’t partially succeed and even if it works once in a bue moon that they wouldn’t be jabbing, spraying, smearing, their real or imagined enemies at every opportunity, and more than once, figuring that odds better than zero are still worth a try. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 14 2025 15:40 utc | 250 NJH (Aug 14 2025 15:28 utc | 244): a much more forceful reply to persiflo’s “pop culture is dangerous to the elites” than my timid reply at 215. I think you’re right. This forum is a place where dissenters (people with a somewhat non-mainstream opinion) meet. A lot of us will see a link between current political views and culture; I certainly do. But that’s just a correlation.
But musical taste is just a consumer choice. This is why I wrote above that culture can be at best a first step towards actual dissent. Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 15:41 utc | 251 Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 14 2025 15:14 utc | 238 Posted by: Paco | Aug 14 2025 15:46 utc | 252 Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 15:09 utc | 234 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 15:49 utc | 253 @Night Tripper | Aug 14 2025 15:32 utc | 248
And in The End the lyrics include the following passage: Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2025 15:50 utc | 254 Kremlin Reveals Details of Putin-Trump Summit Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 14 2025 15:52 utc | 255 @NJH 244
That’s the second reply I’m getting with this direction. I might have gone lost in translation here – what I meant is that the elites perceive some kinds of counter-culture as dangerous, and they are good at subverting them. Mass movements with good mottos such as “give peace a chance” or “temporary self-governed zone”, potentially fueled by drugs like the hippie or rave scenes, must appear as threads to strategic security services, no? Another is example is cybersecurity: the German “Chaos Computer Club” is not exactly a pure Graswurzel movement … again, there’s the potential of sudden and unforeseen destabilizing innovations, hence the need to keep these scenes under control. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 14 2025 15:54 utc | 256 Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 15:09 utc | 234 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2025 15:56 utc | 257 Penetrating article by Professor Robinson, an English defence/Intel expert now based in Canada, on the Canadian site “Canadian Dimension”. Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 14 2025 16:05 utc | 258 Night Tripper, et al, not dismissing my claim outright, Posted by: NJH7 | Aug 14 2025 16:16 utc | 259 No Zelensky, No Brussels, No Problem: Here’s How Putin & Trump’s Alaska Power Move Will Play Out Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 14 2025 16:17 utc | 260 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2025 15:56 utc | 257 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 14 2025 16:34 utc | 261 Nuclear Main Propulsion:After the launch phase, the nuclear propulsion system is activated. This is likely based on a nuclear-thermal propulsion system or a ramjet engine powered by a nuclear energy source. Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 14 2025 16:39 utc | 262 Pop culture is dangerous to the elites, think LSD and the Vietnam war. In Germany we have the Fusion Festival with its Ferienkommunismus idea claiming a temporary self-governed zone, potentially uniting people by means of rave culture. The festival still exists, but one of its founders, the charismatic Eule, died with 25 … rather suspiciously, I hear from people who were close to him. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2025 16:40 utc | 263
t.me/llordofwar/478032 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 16:41 utc | 264 Before the meeting tomorrow, the Russians might want to take the time to review the infamous meeting between China (Wang Yi/Jiechi Yang) and the US (Blinken/Sullivan) in Anchorage March 2021 where Blinken was told he does not speak from a position of strength Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2025 16:43 utc | 265 @ Norwegian | Aug 14 2025 16:43 utc | 265 Posted by: maja | Aug 14 2025 16:53 utc | 266 Paco | Aug 14 2025 15:46 utc | 252– Alexander Mercouris Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 14 2025 17:22 utc | 268 entity continues to contribute most to its existence? The answer to all three is the Outlaw US Empire. Posted by: Newbie | Aug 14 2025 17:28 utc | 269 @maja | Aug 14 2025 16:53 utc | 266 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 14 2025 17:31 utc | 270 As an oldtimer on this site, reading all and sundry posts until the last few years of the Moon’s growing popularity and now magnetism like a candle’s flame to moths, I thank you karlof1 for sticking with us and teaching us, as we watch you grow and learn as well. There are others too with the same lucidity and patient concern, perhaps I’ll thank them next time 🙂
By the way, for anyone new to substack, you do not have to subscribe to read the article. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click “No thanks.” Posted by: jonku | Aug 14 2025 17:34 utc | 271 Posted by: Cynic | Aug 14 2025 14:32 utc | 223 Posted by: hopehely | Aug 14 2025 17:47 utc | 272 Cynic (257). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 18:09 utc | 273 English Outsider | Aug 14 2025 16:05 utc | 258 Posted by: fanto | Aug 14 2025 18:33 utc | 274 jonku | Aug 14 2025 17:34 utc | 271– fanto | Aug 14 2025 18:33 utc | 274
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 20:32 utc | 276 YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 20:32 utc | 276 Posted by: fanto | Aug 14 2025 20:55 utc | 277 I am still very curious, why is Russia not telling all that she knows about MH-!7. The same, why is US not telling all that they know about this provocation and tragedy in which hundreds of innocent people died needlessly. It happened – surprisingly – at the very same time that Israel started “mowing the lawn” in Gaza. Posted by: fanto | Aug 14 2025 20:59 utc | 278 I believe the principle works on heating from nuclear decay, not fission. Posted by: Satepestage | Aug 14 2025 21:03 utc | 279 I love that angle. How about collecting predictions of future excuses by MoA posters why an assassination didn’t happen? lol Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 14 2025 21:35 utc | 280 Old dogs don’t learn new tricks — he’ll be on repeat about how he was “naive” and “deceived” for the thousandth time. Posted by: Dlugaj July | Aug 14 2025 21:54 utc | 281 fanto & YetAnotherAnon: This is an extremely cynical statement but to me it looks as if the USA got as much out of Ukraine as possible. They used Russia’s weak decades to keep going where they left in the 1950s and they managed to brainwash a significant part of a large nation into war mode. That’s a massive achievement! Posted by: Konami | Aug 14 2025 22:05 utc | 282 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 14 2025 12:18 utc | 182 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 14 2025 22:24 utc | 283 What would the British and the EU lose if they buried the hatchet with Russia? Posted by: John Marks | Aug 14 2025 22:36 utc | 284 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 14 2025 12:58 utc | 195 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 14 2025 22:42 utc | 285 “the late 90s/early noughties US seemingly didn’t worry about China” Posted by: will moon | Aug 14 2025 23:14 utc | 286 FrankDrakeman – 98 – Notice that Mark Bank of England Carney was not invited to Anchorage. He is not in the room with the real world leaders. Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 15 2025 1:19 utc | 287 @seer | Thu, 14 Aug 2025 10:49:00 GMT | 168
Well I think general idiocy, and your name naturally came to mind. Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 1:33 utc | 288 @Sun Of Alabama | Thu, 14 Aug 2025 09:55:00 GMT | 162
You assume that BRICS is a monolithic bloc, but it isn’t. Putin’s main (only) concern is China and India. I agree, yes, that there might be some pressure from them on Russia. But India follows a multi-aligned foreign policy, so Delhi is not one hundred percent reliable. And China has nowhere else to go. They aren’t forming an alliance with the US against Russia. So I think Putin had/has some leeway with the SMO from them. Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 1:43 utc | 289 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 14 2025 15:32 utc | 248 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 15 2025 3:08 utc | 290 Posted by: John Marks | Aug 14 2025 22:36 utc | 284 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 15 2025 4:03 utc | 291 @ Paranaense, §291: Posted by: John Marks | Aug 15 2025 9:34 utc | 293 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 15th August 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-d42 Posted by: The Busker | Aug 15 2025 11:46 utc | 294 Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 1:43 utc | 289 Posted by: canuk | Aug 15 2025 12:01 utc | 295 “Basically the Canadians cheated for decades by grafting off American taxpayers for defense protection….that era is now over.” Posted by: canuk | Aug 15 2025 12:06 utc | 296 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 14 2025 18:09 utc | 273 Posted by: canuk | Aug 15 2025 12:10 utc | 297 >>> “Well I think…” <<< Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 1:33 utc | 288 . . Really? I've never seen that. You seem to reside in a bespittled, thoughtless rage. Posted by: seer | Aug 15 2025 12:54 utc | 298 canuk (297). Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 15 2025 15:42 utc | 299 No, the Jap equipment wasn’t noteworthy in their drive through Malaya. The bicycle was an important tool for them, but that wasn’t high tech. The rest was due to a determined attack, and longterm bong military incompetence. Posted by: seer | Aug 15 2025 21:00 utc | 300 |
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