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August 10, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-180
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 11 2025 2:22 utc | 189 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 3:29 utc | 201 Brian Berletic and Glenn Diesen: Is the U.S. Setting a Trap for Russia in Alaska? Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 3:29 utc | 202 Why is it so often hard to get this site to load and post comments? Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 3:31 utc | 203 Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 3:29 utc | 201 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2025 3:43 utc | 204 “Why is it so often hard to get this site to load and post comments?” Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 3:49 utc | 205 amid US and Israeli strikes on nuclear facilities in Fordo, Isfahan, and Natanz. Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 4:04 utc | 206 There were NO US strikes on Iran,… it was just theater, simply a media bomb, all bullshit. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 4:09 utc | 207 Posted by: dh-mtl | Aug 10 2025 15:07 utc | 29 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 11 2025 4:13 utc | 208 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 10 2025 15:11 utc | 31 Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 11 2025 4:19 utc | 209 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 3:22 utc | 199 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 11 2025 4:21 utc | 210 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 11 2025 4:21 utc | 209 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 4:31 utc | 211 Lol. Look at at all the bolded text. He is so certain that Trump didn’t bomb Iran! Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 4:41 utc | 212 How will Z be disposed of? Something tells me his options are very limited.. maybe the City of London? Posted by: snake | Aug 11 2025 4:44 utc | 213 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 4:31 utc | 210 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 11 2025 4:54 utc | 214 Posted by: snake | Aug 11 2025 4:44 utc | 212 Posted by: nobody | Aug 11 2025 4:58 utc | 215 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 11 2025 3:09 utc | 197 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 11 2025 5:03 utc | 216 Posted by: nobody | Aug 11 2025 4:58 utc | 214 Posted by: watcher | Aug 11 2025 5:04 utc | 217 Posted by: snake | Aug 11 2025 4:44 utc | 212
By smearing novichok on the piano keys. Posted by: Kukulkan | Aug 11 2025 5:13 utc | 218 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 3:29 utc | 200 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:18 utc | 219 How will Z be disposed of?…. Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 5:22 utc | 220 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:18 utc | 219 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 5:30 utc | 222 Posted by: Kukulkan | Aug 11 2025 5:13 utc | 218 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:32 utc | 223 Now we are talking about Kant? That’s ok I guess. Better than arguing some more about Covid or climate change or Macron’s wife. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 5:39 utc | 224 If we are talking about philophers now I think Ralph Waldo Emerson is more on-topic. That’s only because I have read things from him. I have never read Kant or Heidegger or Locke or Popper or those others. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 5:50 utc | 225 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 5:39 utc | 224 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 5:53 utc | 226 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 5:53 utc | 226 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:59 utc | 227 They can’t replace the piano player, he was turned into a Nato/West symbol. Like his version 1.0, the retard from Georgia who then moved to be governor of Odessa, he will be paraded like a hero regardless of what happens, but hopefully will also end in a mental asylum. Posted by: rk | Aug 11 2025 6:01 utc | 228 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 5:53 utc | 226 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 6:05 utc | 229 This is what I think the meeting in Alaska will be. Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 6:10 utc | 230 Lol George, Lex Talionis has accused you of “feeding the troll” (me). You are accused of that faux pas quite often, I have noticed. I wish b would provide a clear rules-based-order definition so the trolls were better defined, so one could be more certain of who they are and then never respond to them. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 6:14 utc | 231 @Johan Kaspar | Aug 10 2025 18:48 utc | 104 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 6:16 utc | 232 @Perimetr | Aug 10 2025 18:59 utc | 107
If we shall believe Martyanov, it isn’t:
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/08/to-people-who-still-get-manipulated.html Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 6:18 utc | 233 I agree there were no strikes on the nuclear facilities, and I believe I said so at the time. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2025 6:19 utc | 234 @Norwegian
I saw a Scott Ritter presentation where he mentions a second missile which he thinks the Russians have rolled out, based on an older design like Oreshnik is[?] on the SS-26 Rubezh. This missile was planned to act against the Pershings stationed in Germany, and with new nuclear-capable missiles to be stationed there he thinks Russia absolutely needs those. The relevant part starts at 17:22. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 11 2025 6:25 utc | 235 Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:59 utc | 227 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 6:31 utc | 236 I never fully understood why the Iranians stopped a few weeks back. I guess the didn’t totally clean up Tel Aviv. Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 6:38 utc | 237 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 6:05 utc | 229 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 6:38 utc | 238 “He’s not a troll, I thought he was at first, but he’s ok in the end.” Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 6:40 utc | 239 Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 6:38 utc | 237 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 11 2025 6:46 utc | 240 Thank you, George. I often only remember sonar21 from links I find here. MoA is such a wealth of information. I learn so much here. I probably could learn to be more polite as well. Posted by: lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 6:51 utc | 241 George, Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 7:05 utc | 242 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 6:40 utc | 239 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 7:23 utc | 243 Brian Berletic on the Putin-Trump Summit in Alaska Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 7:34 utc | 244 steven t johnson@116 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Aug 11 2025 7:36 utc | 245 @ lex talionis | Aug 11 2025 5:24 utc | 221 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 7:40 utc | 246 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 7:05 utc | 242 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 7:46 utc | 247 Now we are talking about Kant? Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 11 2025 7:47 utc | 248 @LoveDonbass
Kant agrees. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 11 2025 7:47 utc | 249 Iran’s leadership should have anticipated such attacks during the talks, but for some reason, they did not. Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 7:48 utc | 250 @George | Aug 11 2025 7:23 utc | 243 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 7:56 utc | 251
For sure. Deliberate trolls, as I see it, are the ones who always say Putin is a weak traitor and Russia has lost because they don’t nuke everyone soon enough. And the ones who loudly and repeatedly say “Putin abandoned Syria”. And of course the ones who vociferously insist that “Putin is Jew!”. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 8:01 utc | 252 Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 7:34 utc | 244 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 8:03 utc | 253 related? Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 8:06 utc | 254 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 7:46 utc | 247 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 8:09 utc | 255 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 7:56 utc | 251 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 8:10 utc | 256 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 8:09 utc | 255 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 8:14 utc | 257 Sock puppets are yet another category, and that clearly identifies a deliberate troll. Posted by: Lindsay | Aug 11 2025 8:16 utc | 258
Yes, those are obvious. But behind them come others with more sophisticated approaches: Posted by: Konami | Aug 11 2025 8:17 utc | 259 Another problem the trolls create is the paranoia most of us develop because of them. Which is, I think, central to their purpose: to damage or at least disturb the site beyond well-being. When they manage to get us to not trust anyone they’ve won. Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 11 2025 8:35 utc | 260 When someone is trying derailing a thread , the best attitude is ignore and re-rail 🙂 Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 11 2025 8:38 utc | 261 While trolls invade the forum, including one who uses the handle of a known sodomite, Russia has apparently made a big breakthrough on the front:
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 11 2025 8:39 utc | 262 But as yesterday’s thread has shown: any piece of news has the ability to turn a forum like this into a henhouse of headless chickens. For a while, the most important topic was whether Friday, August 14 will see the demise of Vladimir Putin, of Donald Trump or both. Posted by: CeaClearly | Aug 11 2025 8:40 utc | 263 @George | Mon, 11 Aug 2025 07:46:00 GMT | 247
Good post. I wonder if you have a background in psychology as well? I don’t, but I find it all so fascinating that I sometimes feel like a practitioner of sorts. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 11 2025 8:44 utc | 264 I’m particularly disgusted to see Witkoff, the known liar, credited with setting this up. Putin better snap out of it. It wouldn’t be good for Russia or the world if he got himself killed. Posted by: Mr James | Aug 11 2025 8:47 utc | 265 Anyone who cares to read history will see that for the US there is precedence for deceit in peace talks. Posted by: CeaClearly | Aug 11 2025 8:52 utc | 266 Posted by: persiflo | Aug 11 2025 8:44 utc | 264 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 9:03 utc | 267 Today’s Going Underground has an interview of Afshin Rattansy with Prof. Jeffrey Sachs on the latest developments. To say that Sachs is highly critical of Trump would be an understatement. Posted by: grunzt | Aug 11 2025 9:14 utc | 268 Putin going to Alaska to meet Trump. Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 11 2025 9:14 utc | 269 Here is the opinion of an Ukrainian-American exchange student who, without speaking ingles, moved directly from Kyiyiv to Stanford, Harvard, Goldman Sachs, McKinsey, WEF, then to RF to manage billions and everything, all in around 10 years. Posted by: rk | Aug 11 2025 9:19 utc | 270 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 11 2025 5:03 utc | 216 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 11 2025 9:34 utc | 271
My point wasn’t that murder at Anchorage is out of the question. Assassination has always been an option: Caesar, Lincoln, Palme, Soulimani, among very many others. Posted by: Konami | Aug 11 2025 9:48 utc | 272 Putin is in absolutely no danger (while visiting the US). Posted by: Charlie Brown | Aug 11 2025 10:03 utc | 273 The best outcome scenario and the immediate goal for the US is RF tied in UA and the US free to move elsewhere. Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Aug 11 2025 10:57 utc | 274 Re: Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 10 2025 18:41 utc | 101
Well, maybe after 3.5 years the Russians should have prioritised taking more territory rather than pussy-footing around in Donbass for ALL 3.5 years – and still not being close to taking all of Donetsk – or Kherson or Zaporizhzhia! Posted by: Julian | Aug 11 2025 10:58 utc | 275 Russian forces taking large swathes of land near and above Pokrovske and have entered some central regions of the city. The tempo appears to be quickening. Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 11:00 utc | 276 George @253:
Perhaps that is what is believed by significant portions of the Empire’s oligarchy and the Establishment that serves its interests, but that ceased to be true a while back. Not only is China the undisputed champion of robotics now, they took the lead in AI recently and are busy snatching up the title belts in all other tech fields as we type. China’s trajectory is towards absolute domination in all tech fields, while America’s trajectory is similar to that of a Boeing 737 MAX that thinks it is stalling. Naturally, that metaphor is related in more ways than just the visuals. Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2025 11:01 utc | 277 Re: Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 10 2025 18:44 utc | 102
No, the Russian objectives in the SMO are most definitely NOT ACHIEVED. Posted by: Julian | Aug 11 2025 11:01 utc | 278 Posted by: Konami | Aug 11 2025 9:48 utc | 272
Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 11:08 utc | 279 Posted by: Julian | Aug 11 2025 11:01 utc | 278 Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 11 2025 11:12 utc | 280 Russia also like Ukraine has low birth rate, so every russian lost is a forever loss, War only makes population decline faster for Russia and Ukraine Posted by: wako pirate | Aug 11 2025 11:13 utc | 281 Sock puppets are yet another category, and that clearly identifies a deliberate troll. Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2025 11:13 utc | 282 Interesting statistic: Posted by: NoName | Aug 11 2025 11:20 utc | 283 Don’t know about high certainty, but I worry about VVP going to the States. Killing both VVP and Trump would be a twofer for some people. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 11 2025 11:21 utc | 284 @ NoName | Aug 11 2025 11:20 utc | 283 Posted by: malenkov | Aug 11 2025 11:24 utc | 285 Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 11 2025 11:01 utc | 277 Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 11:26 utc | 286 @wako pirate | Aug 11 2025 11:13 utc | 281 Posted by: NoName | Aug 11 2025 11:27 utc | 287 “Would that include sock puppets of previously banned users?” Posted by: George | Aug 11 2025 11:40 utc | 288 Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 11 2025 8:01 utc | 252 Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 11 2025 11:48 utc | 289 https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/foreign-exchange-reserves Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 11 2025 11:57 utc | 290 I took a look at Brian. Alaska is a trap. The probability that something will “happen” to Putin is really very high. Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 11 2025 11:59 utc | 291 While I understand the concern, treating the Russian President as a baby who can not take care of himself makes for a bizarre discussion on an otherwise mature forum. Posted by: boneless | Aug 11 2025 12:29 utc | 292 Trump already ditched 404 to the toilet of history (twice), he flushed it to EU and it still stinks … what will he ask in Al-Aska ? “Dear Vladimir, do you have some bleach ?” And Uncle Vova will answer : “OK, I can sell you some bleach. 50% on order, 50% on delivery.” Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 11 2025 12:40 utc | 293 >>> “The best outcome scenario and the immediate goal for the US is RF tied in UA and the US free to move elsewhere. Posted by: seer | Aug 11 2025 12:44 utc | 294 „Cold hard land, cold hard bargain: Putin and Trump head off to Alaska Posted by: NoName | Aug 11 2025 13:00 utc | 295
…and then what? Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 11 2025 13:49 utc | 296 @George | Aug 11 2025 8:10 utc | 256 Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 11 2025 13:54 utc | 297 Seer // 294 Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 11 2025 14:10 utc | 298 While the rest of the board bloviates about philosophical bullshit, here is a short summary from Dima’s latest video: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 11 2025 14:14 utc | 299 Here’s the possible, yet predictable, NATO provocation. This time towards Bryansk. Third time’s the charm, I’m sure.
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