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August 7, 2025
Ukraine – Trump And Putin To Hold Peace Talks – OT 2025-177

The outcome of yesterday's three hours meeting between President Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff and President Putin of Russia was surprising.

The presidents seem to have agreed on a meeting, the first in four years between the two head of states.

As Yury Ushakov, an aide to President Putin, commented after Witkoff's visit:

This meeting took place in a business-like atmosphere and was quite constructive. Both sides can be satisfied with the outcomes of this conversation. The discussion focused on matters dealing with future efforts to work together in the context of resolving the Ukraine crisis. Once again, it was noted that Russia-US relations could be placed on a totally different, mutually beneficial footing, which would be in stark contrast with the way these relations have evolved in recent years.

Regarding the Ukraine agenda, at the proposal of the United States, there was a principled agreement to hold a top-level bilateral meeting in the coming days, which means a meeting between presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Together with our American colleagues, we are about to start working on the specific parameters of this meeting and its venue. Basically, the venue has also been coordinated, and we will communicate on this point a little later.

Next week was suggested as a possible time frame [for holding the meeting], but since the effort to prepare for this important event is only just beginning for both parties, it is hard to say how long the preparations will take. That said, the option of holding this meeting sometime next week was on the table, and we hold quite a positive view in this regard.

This U.S. side has confirmed the news of a summit which may potentially already take place next week.

The urgency with which the U.S. side requested the summit tells us that the Ukrainian army is near to a breakdown and total defeat.

It seems that President Putin has offered Trump a big deal – one that goes far beyond the rather annoying side issue of Ukraine.

This could could include offers of new agreements on nuclear arms restrictions and other questions of global interest. But Trump's interests are mostly driven by their economic impact. A Russian offer to allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds might have been the real winner. Additionally sanctions could be lifted and air-traffic between the countries could resume. Both sides could profit from these points.

But before these big things can happen the Ukraine issue must be put aside.

Russia's demands in this regard have been named for some time. A simple ceasefire at the line of contact is not sufficient. Russia wants full control of the four oblast (Donetzk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaparoizhia) which were already included into the Russian constitution. It wants a guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and that it will lose the military support it currently has from the West.

Trump might be willing to concede those points. A majority of Ukrainians wants to end the war:

In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

Even Zelenski now seems to agree with them (machine translation):

"Yesterday, various potential formats of meetings for peace at the level of leaders in the near future were discussed: two bilateral formats, one trilateral. Ukraine is not afraid of meetings and expects the same bold approach from the Russian side. It's time to end the war, " the Ukrainian president wrote.

But warmongers in Washington, in Europe and in Ukraine will try to sabotage anything that may lead to peace.

There are also smaller steps that could be sold as the success of a summit. A pause of long range drone attacks would be a noticeable though minimal concession that could be beneficial for both sides.

But overall I am not optimistic about an outcome.

It will be difficult to even establish an agenda for the meeting. Secretary of State Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov will need some time to haggle over the details. If the summit proceeds it might well end without results.

The whole thing could be a ploy. Trump may tell Putin to surrender and, as Putin will certainly not do so, use the summit to declare that Russia is guilty and must be punished by more sanction and other means. U.S. support for Ukraine would then resume.

It would not change the inevitable outcome but prolong the war for probably more than a year.

Comments

An unlooked-for complication:

Nationalist Brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard are not ready to conclude any agreement with Russia
The Ukrainian army is tired both physically and morally, and does not have enough forces and resources to resist the Russian offensive. Against this background, the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers declare their readiness for a ceasefire within the framework of the agreements reached during the negotiations. This was reported by the New York Times, whose representatives spoke with the Ukrainian soldiers.
The bulk of the Ukrainian military is ready to cease fire even today, welcoming a possible peace agreement, even with the loss of some territories, including those that are not yet under the control of the Russian army. Some are in favor of peace along the front line, but achieved through dialogue. The whole point is that today almost no one in the Ukrainian Armed Forces believes that Ukraine will be able to withstand a war with Russia. Especially since the situation is getting worse every day against the backdrop of increasing losses.
In our situation, what should we do? There is only one way – negotiations.
— stated one of the servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
However, there are also Ukrainian nationalists, who for some reason no one takes into account in their plans. And in vain. In the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard, these are, as a rule, the most trained and well-equipped brigades compared to the “regular” ones. They also suffer losses, but they maintain their core with the help of a scheme involving mobilized and volunteers, who are sent to the front lines. Neither “Azov”* (a terrorist organization banned in Russia), nor similar units will ever agree to peace with Russia.
Therefore, to say today that the Ukrainian army is supposedly ready to lay down weapon and go home, there is no need. Even if some agreements are reached, the fighting will continue.

https://en.topwar.ru/269399-nacionalisticheskie-brigady-vsu-i-ngu-ne-gotovy-k-zakljucheniju-ljubogo-soglashenija-s-rossiej.html
All those “hyperventilating” (there’s a big word…) about what may or may not be “agreed” at some made-for-TV meeting need to remember the word denazification and the need for it to be achieved before any lasting settlement. I‘m sure “some hack” will raise this issue in any talks.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 16:44 utc | 301

Posted by: Fit Rice | Aug 8 2025 15:56 utc | 291
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NAFO is just a job, don’t go full retard.
Russia, for most of its history, has had the best land army in the world.
Ask Napoleon and Hitler about that.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 16:48 utc | 302

Butt-plug Graham seems awfully quiet. No “bone crushing sanctions” for you, it seems. TACO whipped up another psy-op on the neocons.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 16:52 utc | 303

Nationalist Brigades of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the National Guard are not ready to conclude any agreement with Russia” – JRL 303,
In my 299 comment I outline the reason why such a dichotomy exists and I note that in the latter part of your cite it’s author does too.
they [Nationalist Brigades and National Guard] maintained their core with the help of a scheme involving mobilized and volunteers, who are sent to the front lines
In spite of all the cheerleaders calling attrition-warfare the equivalent of 4-D-chess it’s proving to be, once again, the crudest form of warfare, it disproportionally killed Slovaks, ethnic/cultural-Russians and Hungarians and spared the Nazis.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 8 2025 16:57 utc | 304