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Ukraine – Trump And Putin To Hold Peace Talks – OT 2025-177

The outcome of yesterday's three hours meeting between President Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff and President Putin of Russia was surprising.

The presidents seem to have agreed on a meeting, the first in four years between the two head of states.

As Yury Ushakov, an aide to President Putin, commented after Witkoff's visit:

This meeting took place in a business-like atmosphere and was quite constructive. Both sides can be satisfied with the outcomes of this conversation. The discussion focused on matters dealing with future efforts to work together in the context of resolving the Ukraine crisis. Once again, it was noted that Russia-US relations could be placed on a totally different, mutually beneficial footing, which would be in stark contrast with the way these relations have evolved in recent years.

Regarding the Ukraine agenda, at the proposal of the United States, there was a principled agreement to hold a top-level bilateral meeting in the coming days, which means a meeting between presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Together with our American colleagues, we are about to start working on the specific parameters of this meeting and its venue. Basically, the venue has also been coordinated, and we will communicate on this point a little later.

Next week was suggested as a possible time frame [for holding the meeting], but since the effort to prepare for this important event is only just beginning for both parties, it is hard to say how long the preparations will take. That said, the option of holding this meeting sometime next week was on the table, and we hold quite a positive view in this regard.

This U.S. side has confirmed the news of a summit which may potentially already take place next week.

The urgency with which the U.S. side requested the summit tells us that the Ukrainian army is near to a breakdown and total defeat.

It seems that President Putin has offered Trump a big deal – one that goes far beyond the rather annoying side issue of Ukraine.

This could could include offers of new agreements on nuclear arms restrictions and other questions of global interest. But Trump's interests are mostly driven by their economic impact. A Russian offer to allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds might have been the real winner. Additionally sanctions could be lifted and air-traffic between the countries could resume. Both sides could profit from these points.

But before these big things can happen the Ukraine issue must be put aside.

Russia's demands in this regard have been named for some time. A simple ceasefire at the line of contact is not sufficient. Russia wants full control of the four oblast (Donetzk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaparoizhia) which were already included into the Russian constitution. It wants a guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and that it will lose the military support it currently has from the West.

Trump might be willing to concede those points. A majority of Ukrainians wants to end the war:

In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

Even Zelenski now seems to agree with them (machine translation):

"Yesterday, various potential formats of meetings for peace at the level of leaders in the near future were discussed: two bilateral formats, one trilateral. Ukraine is not afraid of meetings and expects the same bold approach from the Russian side. It's time to end the war, " the Ukrainian president wrote.

But warmongers in Washington, in Europe and in Ukraine will try to sabotage anything that may lead to peace.

There are also smaller steps that could be sold as the success of a summit. A pause of long range drone attacks would be a noticeable though minimal concession that could be beneficial for both sides.

But overall I am not optimistic about an outcome.

It will be difficult to even establish an agenda for the meeting. Secretary of State Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov will need some time to haggle over the details. If the summit proceeds it might well end without results.

The whole thing could be a ploy. Trump may tell Putin to surrender and, as Putin will certainly not do so, use the summit to declare that Russia is guilty and must be punished by more sanction and other means. U.S. support for Ukraine would then resume.

It would not change the inevitable outcome but prolong the war for probably more than a year.

Comments

LoveDonbass is good.
All the alleged sins is because we, as white humans, are the worst.
Not the worst, we as white Christians and Jewish, are as a collective, the worst.
Tomorrow gonna ask for my soul.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 8 2025 1:54 utc | 201

🇺🇦🇷🇺 Russians draw birds on the drones.
It fools AI interceptors, that’s one of the reasons why AI powered drones did not made it to widespread deployment.
That’s the reason why FPV drone operators are still needed.

photo
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1953397604068323469

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 1:54 utc | 202

https://nitter.net/clashreport
Bits:
§| Reporter: Does Putin have to meet with Zelensky before you meet him?
Trump: No
§| Reporter: Is your deadline for Putin still standing?
Trump: It is going to be up to him. We are going to see what he has to say, very disappointed
§| US official to The Atlantic:
Trump is still considering how and whether to directly punish Putin if Moscow doesn’t hit tomorrow’s deadline.
§| Trump signed off on sanctioning India this week because he was already annoyed at the lack of progress on a trade deal with Delhi.
§| US official to The Atlantic:
Trump had truly believed that his relationship with Putin would bring about a quick end to the conflict in Ukraine.
But instead, Putin has taken advantage of Trump’s deference to him and has openly defied the president—“embarrassed him.”
§| Former UK Defence Secretary Ben Wallace:
Britain must be invited to peace talks to stop Zelensky from being bullied by Trump and Putin.
§| Ukrainian Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi:
The war must end in a way that is beneficial to us. That is, we must win, not retreat. You cannot achieve victory in defense.
§| US Treasury Department announces new sanctions related to Iran
§| The US has imposed tariffs on one-kilo and 100-ounce gold bars, a major import from Switzerland. Source: FT

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 8 2025 1:55 utc | 203

Every time I see your writings, darling, I feel that you are not good.
Sorry, but you try to make the people feel bad.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 8 2025 1:58 utc | 204

Julian | Aug 8 2025 1:46 utc | 202
Re: “people here said [insert assertion].”
It seems to have escaped your attention, but a lot of people, with a lot of divergent ideas post here.
An assertion by one, or even a few, “anonymous guys on the internet” posted at this quirky and rather obscure blog, does not imply consensus by all.
– in my case, I’m tired of disputing every retarded post. Lack of refutation does not imply agreement. And Bar Rule 1 is “do not feed the troll(s).

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 8 2025 2:03 utc | 205

One of the rules is do not attack other people. Try to respond to the comments. Be concrete. Make of this space a rational place.
But, we can’t be as canuck. According to his writing, an incredible 6 and 2, and 200 pounds, and massive land full of Niobium.
Sorry, but I’m vacation in the room near VV’ half daughter, because Im just doing nothing. Please.
Vacation, Niobe.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 8 2025 2:22 utc | 206

It’s not being discussed here, but it’s been reported elsewhere that Putin has already agreed to terms and the meeting is to basically sign it, which is leading to fears that Putin has capitulated.

Posted by: Moonraker | Aug 8 2025 2:45 utc | 207

I will believe that President Putin will meet with President Trump when President Putin has landed on the tarmac in the country where President Trump is preparing to meet with him, or vice versa. Until that penultimate moment, everything else is noise to me. Nobody should be drawing any conclusions from this announcement apart from acknowledging that the dance continues.

Posted by: Activist Potato | Aug 8 2025 2:55 utc | 208

No one in the entire decent world, i.e. bar the US, wants the tumorous pus-filled excrescence of America blightling the land and resources of the RF and the other FSU states that have so far escaped those grasping filthy hands. Beggar off back to the the great shining heap of dung on the far western edge of the world map.

Posted by: petra | Aug 8 2025 2:56 utc | 209

Posted by: S | Aug 7 2025 17:10 utc | 59
“Shouldn’t you tell him “Cry more, anti-Nazi”?
“Nazi” now has a new meaning. It used to mean something specific and definable. Now it means “someone I dislike”, kind of like “fascist” but worse. Another case of language being killed by emotional reaction.

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 8 2025 3:00 utc | 210

A TACO posting title from Xinhuanet
Trump says Putin doesn’t have to meet with Zelensky before their sit-down
Stay tuned…..the shit show continues until it doesn’t.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2025 3:01 utc | 211

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 7 2025 18:27 utc | 96
“And Russia still hasn’t won in the Donbas after almost 3 1/2 years of fighting”.
After 3 1/2 years of fighting we still have ‘commentators’ who fail to understand what a ‘war of attrition’ means.

Posted by: Persona Non Grata | Aug 8 2025 3:12 utc | 212

Passerby, at about 18.37 G (was #105, perhaps still is):
Trump, Putin, Zelenski – the most probable is that two agree to make the third the fall guy.
Yessss! Wouldn’t it be marvellous to see Trumpf kicked right into the shitbin of useless garbage by the two Vladimirs.

Posted by: petra | Aug 8 2025 3:16 utc | 213

P should be extremely careful on the way back. Never know if the empire tries to strike back

Posted by: skp | Aug 8 2025 3:33 utc | 214

@ skp | Aug 8 2025 3:33 utc | 216
very true..
@ 200 george.. good post george..i 2nd chungas comment to you @ 201…

Posted by: james | Aug 8 2025 3:39 utc | 215

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 7 2025 20:46 utc | 147
Nice Bible verses, but they don’t answer LD’s concerns/accusations about Rapture and Judgement Day. Doesn’t your Bible have more than 5 verses? Flip a few pages and see if you can find an answer that’s on topic.

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 8 2025 3:58 utc | 216

@ nwwoods | Aug 7 2025 19:50 utc
“ If I were Putin I would make handing over Bill Browder in handcuffs a non-negotiable demand”
Quite agree but would add the demand that the AngloSAxon empire use its considerable propaganda machine to inform the world of the actual truth, as opposed to the Narrative.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 8 2025 4:05 utc | 217

A Friday afternoon xwitter telegram twirl. Some with source. Or not.
§| PBOC officially added 60K oz (1.87 tonnes) of #Gold reserves in July, 9 consecutive months of adding. Total gold reserves is now 73,960,000 oz (2300.4 tonnes)
§| Lindsay Graham: “President Trump’s decision to go after countries that prop up Putin’s war machine by buying cheap Russian oil is a gamechanger. These countries are about to pay a long overdue and heavy price.
To my European friends who have been helping Ukraine, it is much appreciated.  However,  it is not lost upon me or others that you are buying oil from India – that India originally purchased from Russia. We are watching. This needs to stop now.”
§| Sirius Report: “
So the US revaluing gold is a topic of discussion once again.
Firstly it has to prove it has 8000+ tons of gold. Remember the noise about the Fort Knox gold audit?
Secondly it must accept that the dollar as a WRC is over when it does.
the odds are of this happening?”
§| FEDS Notes. August 01, 2025
Official Reserve Revaluations: The International Experience
https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/official-reserve-revaluations-the-international-experience-20250801.html

With public debt at high levels, some governments have begun to explore financing additional expenditures without raising taxes while also not increasing public debt outstanding. One possibility is using proceeds from valuation gains on gold reserves, as has been floated in the U.S. and Belgium recently.1 For the U.S., this would involve revaluing the government’s 261.5 million troy ounces in gold reserves—the largest gold reserves globally— from a statutory price of $42.22 per troy ounce to current market prices, which stand around $3300 per troy ounce

§| Armchair Warlord:
The nighttime series of explosions in the Odessa region was not just another attack on Ukraine’s rear infrastructure. It was a clear message addressed to both Kyiv, Baku and Brussel. Russia struck a series of targets near the villages of Orlovka and Novoselskoye
In the Izmail district of the Odessa region. Among the targets was the Orlovka gas compressor station, which was used by Ukraine to receive gas from Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey through a reverse gas flow scheme, bypassing official channels. Located on the border with Romania.
The station is an integral part of the southern gas route. It was through this corridor that Azerbaijan, which has recently been trying to flex its muscles in Russia’s direction, began transferring gas to Ukraine via the trans-Balkan route. Agreement between Ukraine’s Naftogaz and Azerbaijan’s SOCAR was clearly political in nature and was an attempt to demonstrate that bypassing Russian energy flows was possible. Despite Azerbaijan’s stated intention to supply up to two billion cubic meters of fuel, this volume is clearly insufficient to meet Ukraine’s estimated demand of at least ten billion. It’s not the scale that matters here, but the demonstration of a political stance: Azerbaijan is showing its loyalty to Europe and Ukraine while using routes that rely on Russian infrastructure. The Orlovka gas compressor station has historically provided gas transit from the USSR to the countries of Southern Europe, but after the launch of the Turkish Stream pipeline, it was converted to reverse mode for gas supplies from Turkey to Ukraine. Moscow’s response was swift.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 8 2025 4:10 utc | 218

When I read the last line of the article I thought it said “…prolong the war profitably for more than a year”. I may have been mistaken in a technical sense but it’s still a true statement!

Posted by: Aaron | Aug 8 2025 4:22 utc | 219

Paranaense | Aug 8 2025 3:58 utc | 218
Get thee into outer darkness, dipshit. Quod scripsi, scripsi.

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 8 2025 4:24 utc | 220

“ A Russian offer to allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds might have been the real winner”
VVP is not going to be duped by this. He is used to dealing with NGO since his days as deputy mayor Peter.
He is also never going to avoid talking to the West. This is called diplomacy.
The west will FAFO, leading to VVP, not the Royal Navy, acquiring Odessa and the coast.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 8 2025 4:26 utc | 221

“Pax Americana has already collapsed within America itself.” —Sergey Glazyev

26-second video
https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1953675034297618873

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 4:36 utc | 222

Simplicious’ latest
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/negotiations-fever-strikes-again

Trump: “I have received additional information from various senior officials on, among other things, the actions of the Government of the Russian Federation with respect to the situation in Ukraine. After considering this additional information, among other things, I find that the national emergency described in Executive Order 14066 continues and that the actions and policies of the Government of the Russian Federation continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”

Sure, Don. Let’s have a meeting… LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 4:50 utc | 223

Trump and Putin meeting might be a tempting opportunity for the warmongers to kill both.
According to the media here Trump now says he wants to organise peace and mutual development for Armenia and Azerbaijan.
If that is a realistic plan then it goes against the usual anglosaxon imperial agenda.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 8 2025 5:07 utc | 224

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 8 2025 5:07 utc | 226
#######
Armenia and Azerbaijan create an essential corridor for BRICS between Russia and Iran.
The Anglo-Saxons never do anything good for anyone, and certainly not Asians.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 5:13 utc | 225

@ petergrfstrm | Aug 8 2025 5:07 utc | 226 who wrote

Trump and Putin meeting might be a tempting opportunity for the warmongers to kill both.

I would say either or both but agree that it is unwise for Putin to travel outside heavily protected space at this time, IMO….would any grieve for Trump loss?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2025 5:20 utc | 226

Thanks to Chunga and James 201,207.

Posted by: George | Aug 8 2025 5:43 utc | 227

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 8 2025 5:20 utc | 228
#######
Not Vance or Rubio.
In fact, taking out Trump en route to visiting Putin is exactly the sort of thing the MIC might try.
I think the meeting might end up being in China, Malaysia, or UAE based on recent Russian contacts.
China has invited Putin and Trump to their 80 year celebration of WW2 ending.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 6:01 utc | 228

The proposed meeting has little to do with Ukraine. Through his recent actions (words), Trump has placed the American people under direct threat from Russia. Now he urgently wants to de-escalate with his friend Putin.

Posted by: hubert | Aug 8 2025 6:06 utc | 229

🇷🇺⚠️🇺🇦 Russian forces dropped leaflets via drones over Ukrainian positions in Pokrovsk (Krasnoarmeysk), offering soldiers of the 155th Brigade a final chance to surrender.
The leaflets include step-by-step instructions on how to do so safely. The message warns that if they refuse, heavy weapons will be used, and survival is unlikely. Ukrainian troops are urged to “make the right choice.”

1 minute 26 second video
https://x.com/apocalypseos/status/1953618003121385922

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 6:19 utc | 230

Posted by: hubert | Aug 8 2025 6:06 utc | 231
Many leaders used to criticise Asian leaders for ‘face saving’ but it appears now that most of the West/NATO and particularly Trump, have little time left over to do anything else than cover up their failures to save face. That’s how badly they have distorted politics, forgotten the people they represent, neglect what their jobs are supposed to be about, and it also demonstrates a predisposition towards paranoia for being exposed as the fake personas they really are. Strange days indeed.

Posted by: George | Aug 8 2025 6:27 utc | 231

Trump is now trying to arrest Nicholas Maduro.
Where is the end of this very violent politics by the USA?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 8 2025 7:01 utc | 232

In the 2024 book “От сдерживания к устрашению”, Karaganov, Trenin, and Avakyants note that since late 2023, the Russian Armed Forces have seized the initiative on the battlefield, but now face the broader challenge of gaining the upper hand in the war as a whole. They stress that Russia’s adversaries are seeking to exhaust its resources and morale through a prolonged conflict, and they argue that victory should be achieved within a relatively short timeframe, ideally “within 2 years”.
I interpret their urgent timeline as a warning that if Russia cannot achieve most of its principal SMO objectives by the end of 2026, it risks facing the same kind of cumulative pressures that brought down Germany in World War I.
Putin should finish the job on the battlefield.

Posted by: hem_day | Aug 8 2025 7:09 utc | 233

I would bet that Trump and the fundamentalist zealots in DC plus TA are planning something big in their holy fucking Jerusalem exactly when the meeting happens in order to force Putin into their “camp” of genocidal maniacs.
All about the narrative.

Posted by: Tom | Aug 8 2025 7:47 utc | 234

If I were Russian, I would be very concerned about the victorious outcome of the SMO.
The video showing Putin bowing several times to Trump’s negotiator Wittkoff and almost kissing his hand is very disturbing.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 8 2025 7:48 utc | 235

A lot of screeching and whining for alleged investment opportunities for American capitalists in Russia as a ‘concession’ by Putin.
Selling out Russia to the vultures i read.
The other side of the coin is the following: every Dollar spent on investment in Russia (if that ever was to happen anyway) is a Dollar not spent on investment in the US. ‘Make America Great Again’ eh?
Investing in China was a big thing for the longest time, up until it wasn’t and suddenly China ‘stole and copied all the ‘Intellectual Property’ and now is the leading manufacturer of mostly everything one can pry from the shelves of Walmart et al.
Meanwhile, the living conditions in the imperial core are collapsing and EU contries are on the fast track to become periphery. Sure, there still is some substance to live off yet another few years but lets be real: prices for basic necessities, shelter, food, healthcare, have at least doubled in the span of a few years. If this trend continues, even linearly, in another 5 years a big chunk of as of now living in delusion and denial proles will be completely impoverished.
Opening a new McDonalds in Moscow will not change a bit about this.

Posted by: kspr | Aug 8 2025 7:54 utc | 236

America is agreement-incapable. And the anglo-zionists desperately need a world war. And now that Trump has implemented the digital control grid for the new financial system, he is expendable. I hope they are not planning to take out both Trump and Putin……

Posted by: Iskander | Aug 8 2025 8:00 utc | 237

The Ukrainska Pravda, citing the Polish news outlet Onet, states that the US proposal to be discussed at the summit includes:
“1. A ceasefire in Ukraine, though not a full peace agreement.
2. De facto recognition of the territories occupied by Russia through deferral of the issue for either 49 or 99 years.
3. The lifting of most of the sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely imports of Russian gas and oil.”
This is basically the ceasefire deal President Trump has been trying to impose on the Russians, who have rejected it repeatedly.
There is no reason to expect they would accept it this time.

Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Aug 8 2025 8:12 utc | 238

A leopard named Putin DOES NOT change his spots.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25
#########
It’s the Russian bear, not the Russian leopard.

Posted by: kula | Aug 8 2025 8:22 utc | 239

@ Iskander | Aug 8 2025 8:00 utc | 239
Agree — that’s a risk.
TPTB used Trump to start upsetting apple carts. His popularity is in the crapper. How much more “value” can TPTB wring out of him?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 8 2025 8:42 utc | 240

What’s more, Russia shouldn’t send *anyone* *anywhere*. Even a zoom call accomplishes nothing.
For 30 years, NATO unilaterally escalated. Russia should insist that NATO unilaterally de-escalate. That’s the only “agreement” that means anything. Anything less means NATO still doesn’t “agree”.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 8 2025 8:47 utc | 241

is anyonewondering how loing it might take gor Ukraine to not adhere to any “ceasefire”, how it would be monitored, we know in previous ones that Ukraine broke them and continued and denied, so how much would Rusdia accept as kind of being just troublemakers (terrorists saboteurs etc) and how would they be dealt with either by Ukraine itself, USA occupiers,or what plans does Russia have to deal with such infringements and possible Ukraine renegades? Then those actions by Russia to be regarded as breaking the whatever it was that was agreed ?

Posted by: Jo | Aug 8 2025 9:10 utc | 242

Russia has won in Ukraine and the only thing Putin needs to be careful of is humiliating Trump and the US.
Ukraine is close to collapse in the East. Once they are driven out of the fortresses in the East Ukraine has no re-enforced line to retreat to. The money that was allocated for that was looted wholesale. Trump will not let Zelensky drag NATO/US down with him.
More importantly the US has gotten what it wants already out of this war- the subjugation of Europe, US energy supplies instead on Russian and NATO countries to more than double their spending on mostly US weapons , tariffs and finally Cold War 2.0 . The only real loser in this war is Europe/Ukraine.
Putin has never wanted the whole of the Ukraine. Just the four oblasts and a guarantee Ukraine won’t join NATO nor be a staging ground for NATO. Even though the Russians are winning Putin has no need or want to humiliate the US. If he does this will bring in the war with the big arrows up to and including tactical nuclear weapons. Whilst there are clearly people here who are prepared for Russia to suffer greatly in such an exchange if it means the destruction of the US, the Russians themselves aren’t.
Neither Trump nor Putin want that. Putin will get his four oblasts and Trump will get Banderastan. There was a commander in the Donetsk/Lugansk militia that was asked why they didn’t take Mariupol then and he said “the further East we move the less we are seen as liberators”. For that reason Putin never wanted the whole of the Ukraine.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 8 2025 9:38 utc | 243

Dima is back! Noe we shall be able to learn about the real situation in Ukraine.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 8 2025 9:40 utc | 244

Who was it? Zanon? Accusing me of “disinformation” about Tetkino. This is Pravda from 26/7, less than two weeks ago
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/26/1545477.html
“Near the village of Tetkino, the situation has essentially stabilized. Over the past few days, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have been practically not attacking, concentrating their efforts on another area. The entry of our forces into Ryzhevka made it possible to reduce enemy fire damage to the rear areas. However, the Ukrainian Armed Forces continue to operate along supply routes using FPV drones, which complicates the logistics of food and ammunition to the frontline positions. The village is still under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as a result of which the enemy is passing through the railway tracks near Atynskoye in small groups to strengthen their positions.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2025 9:44 utc | 245

There was a commander in the Donetsk/Lugansk militia that was asked why they didn’t take Mariupol then and he said “the further East we move the less we are seen as liberators”. For that reason Putin never wanted the whole of the Ukraine.

Posted by: Down South | Aug 8 2025 9:38 utc | 245
….further West we move ..

Posted by: Down South | Aug 8 2025 9:45 utc | 246

To Hold Peace Talks is a very BIG assumption
Is not even on the horizon …
Putin kissing a££
Red Carpet Welcome for UAE President Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed arriving in Moscow
UAE is the key Arab ally of the Jewish state … sharing intelligence … moving towards the position of the Kremlin (and China btw) Efforts by Xi not in vain.
Modi-Putin Relations At A Watershed? NSA Doval Thanks Russia For Backing India After Pahalgam Attack
Strengthening BRICS

Posted by: Oui | Aug 8 2025 9:52 utc | 247

Dima said the situation has stabilized and there are no confirmed geo-locations of Ukraine personnel inside Russia. Sending a drone to blow something up isn’t physical occupation – if it were, Russia would hold Odessa and Ukraine Moscow. You should watch it. And what side of the border is that tiny village on?
Your motive is known only to you.

Posted by: GHost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 9:52 utc | 248

the bar has failed to produce a reason that would justify Putin’s willing ness to kiss Trump’s Nobel prize winning peace loving ass.
The secrecy and silence suggest its possible the offer means NATO will pull back its Eastern boundaries to the 1990 agreed on line.. stand down over the four oblast in Ukraine, Crimea, and probably Odessa.. guarantee Russia security against all of Europe.. and destroy the benefit currently enjoyed by the west regarding sanctions toward using Russian oil and gas …agree to a war crimes tribunal, close the bioweapons research facilities operating in Ukraine.. something is not adding up.. what is missing?

Posted by: snake | Aug 8 2025 10:18 utc | 249

GHost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 9:52 utc | 250
“Your motive is known only to you.”
A pity this site doesn’t feature posting history.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 8 2025 10:37 utc | 250

“The urgency with which the U.S. side requested the summit tells us that the Ukrainian army is near to a breakdown and total defeat.
It seems that President Putin has offered Trump a big deal – one that goes far beyond the rather annoying side issue of Ukraine.”

If the situation is so bad why would US and Macaron demand a ceasefire from Putin as first step towards further negotiations? And if Putin is winning so good, why would he offer Trumpy a “big deal”? What will Putin gain from this deal with the same guy who broke all previous deals?
If the smo is not allowed to succeed and is kept castrated, what will happen at best is a return to 2014. That is not peace, only one side shooting and blowing things up and the other contemplating Sun Tzu’s teachings about Starlink. Of course, someone will say again “our partners tricked me” and then he’ll do nothing.
“Russia wants full control of the four oblast (Donetzk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaparoizhia) which were already included into the Russian constitution”
So was the Barents sea and its 30bn resources until president Medvedev put his x on a document and natoid friend Schtolty got it for free ( en.topwar.ru/25022-rossiya-norvegiya-neft-medvedev.html )

Posted by: rk | Aug 8 2025 10:45 utc | 251

As Ron Unz pointed out in a recent essay on unz.com, the US/Israeli combo has a habit of assassinating leaders it’s about to negotiate with.
I hope the Russians are awake to this and don’t put Putin in harm’s way.

Posted by: Syd Walker | Aug 8 2025 10:48 utc | 252

>If the situation is so bad why would US and Macaron demand a ceasefire from >Putin as first step towards further negotiations? And if Putin is winning so >good, why would he offer Trumpy a “big deal”? What will Putin gain from this >deal with the same guy who broke all previous deals?
@rk:
Demanding a ceasefire shows weakness, not strength. It tells your opponent that you’re tired and you need a break to rebuild.
Putin is playing to Trump’s greatest weakness, his huge ego. He’s feeding it slowly, but on a drip tube. There is no deal today as of August 8th, which just happens to be TACO’s deadline … we’re about to find out if there is anything to the “or else” or if it’s all just hot air and TACO flips again like a juicy burger on your grill

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 10:53 utc | 253

Putin and Trump in the same room?
That’s a false flag magnet.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 8 2025 10:59 utc | 254

Trump needs to carve another notch in the shaft of his genuine malacca four wood so he can hang on to his MAGA voters, who are by this point mightily pissed at the peace president. Like the Eu600 billion deal with Ursula VDL, it will involve a small rubber balloon and a bicycle pump. Meanwhile, Putin needs time to allow the military to succeed decisively and move on to the really strategic objectives, particularly Odessa, but he can’t risk causing Trump to lose face without directly involving US in the SMO and turning it into a full-on war. Putin must also avoid appearing to discard the work of the army since most Russian voters think he is, if anything, complacent. And Putin knows that both Zelensky and Starmer (and their Eurominions) would rather eat cold Mishka na Severe than cooperate in any peace deal. Any deal between US and Ru will founder on total Ukrainian, British and EU Intransigence and guerilla ops. It’s a recipe for indefinite European war. If Odessa remains in Ukrainian hands, it will be used to mount endless drone ops, attacks on Crimea and Transnistrea, weapons shipments etc.
Putin needs to be seen to seek peace while gaining more time to decimate Ukrainian resources – the inevitable failure of a US-brokered peace will do it. Trump needs the appearance of a successful peace deal, and if EU and Ukr break it, he can walk away without infuriating MAGA.

Posted by: Jorge | Aug 8 2025 11:05 utc | 255

> “3. The lifting of most of the sanctions imposed on Russia and, in the long term, a return to energy cooperation – namely imports of Russian gas and oil.”
Posted by: Jan Sobieski | Aug 8 2025 8:12 utc | 240
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Cash on the barrel head is all that Russia would be prone to accept. The Blob is not agreement capable, and Russia knows it. So it’s pay to play, exclusively. The words on parchment have to be there, but the Blob doesn’t care about them. Russia wants security and money, not words. Their military is providing security, so Trump has to give them money. We’ll see if he is allowed to do so.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 11:21 utc | 256

I suppose the prospect of Ukraine shattering because of internal stresses couldn’t possibly be a reason for the sudden Western urgency?

In Volyn, a crowd attacked a [TCC] car: one attacker has already been detained
In the village of Solovichi, Kovel district, Volyn region, a crowd attacked the official transport of the [TCC-SC]. the incident occurred on August 7 at about 16: 30 during the notification of those liable for military service
This was reported by the Volyn regional [TCC-SC], reports RegioNews .
According to preliminary data, one of the local residents refused to show his documents and tried to escape. At that moment, another man, who introduced himself as the village chief, jumped on the hood of the TCK car and smashed the windshield with a rock. The conflict was joined by a woman who also hit the vehicle.
Another participant in the attack, armed with a metal object (probably a wrench), damaged the side windows of the car and struck the driver in the arm. Subsequently, the movement of official transport was blocked by other cars, in particular trucks.
About 10 people surrounded the car and attacked it for several minutes, hindering the work of the military and police.
Law enforcement officers entered data on the incident in the Unified Register of Pre-trial Investigations.
One of the participants was detained, the actions of the other were preliminarily qualified under Article 296 of the Criminal Code (Hooliganism).
Starting from September 1, 2025, all employees of the [TCC-SC] will be required to use body cameras during document checks or serving subpoenas. All actions must be recorded on video, and in case of violation of this procedure, disciplinary liability is provided.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/volyn/1754650695-na-volini-natovp-napav-na-avto-ttsk-odnogo-napadnika-vzhe-zatrimano (via translation add-on.)
Regular readers will know this is far from the first incident of physical resistance.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 11:54 utc | 257

Years ago, I think it was Khadaffi, in which the US was gonna bomb him or something and EU types publicly protested about peace, etc. Intelligence sources supposedly said they secretly said to bomb the sh*t out of him. Wouldn’t surprise me.
So, EU is hurting bad and needs Russia as a supplier. Negotiations may reflect that, even if they seem all stalwart in public.
Yes, yes, yes, Putin can’t trust the West on any paper agreement. Mao said ‘all power comes out of the barrel of a gun’. Russia has beat the West down worse than they will admit. EU and US are facing huge problems with debt and de-industrialization. I just hope Putin gets a full quid pro quo on all secondary issues such as Transnistria and much more. He is a detail man as EU leaders will admit, once they stop repeating that he’s a “thug”.
Russia must judge – no deal is perfect but how much better of a deal can we get if we keep fighting? I think they use Trump’s wildly deceptive character for cover and shake hands.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 12:01 utc | 258

Russia must judge – no deal is perfect but how much better of a deal can we get if we keep fighting? I think they use Trump’s wildly deceptive character for cover and shake hands.
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 12:01 utc | 260
Trump cannot offer a deal that ends weapons flow and/or British/French bases post ceasefire in Western Ukraine
On those grounds alone its a non-starter for Russia.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 8 2025 12:10 utc | 259

if you sign a peace treaty before noon tomorrow we will not nuke you.
Putin responds that’s a deal we cannot refuse..

Posted by: snake | Aug 8 2025 12:23 utc | 260

reply to 261
That’s not gonna work. Russia would have to conquer all of Ukraine and then manage the whole Neo Nazi mess. A real horror story and potential economic ruin for them. Best they can do is threaten to bomb the sh*t out of any foreign bases or detectable arms shipments. Also, Russia will have some leverage over EU with oil and gas. EU leaders may say, ‘let’s not do this again’. Britain and France are facing nasty economic problems. True, that won’t stop Russophobes completely but it will have some effect. We still haven’t paid enough attention to Ukraine’s demographic demise and how that limits any future militarization.
Again, it’s what kind of deal is most practical?

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 12:28 utc | 261

Posted by: Iskander | Aug 8 2025 8:00 utc | 239
“And now that Trump has implemented the digital control grid for the new financial system, he is expendable.”
I haven’t heard about this. Do you have more information?

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 8 2025 12:34 utc | 262

8:30AM EST and no statement from TACO on the deadline not being met.
Nothing on CNN or the usual suspects about an imminent statement.
TACO go “bwawk bwawk!”

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 12:36 utc | 263

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 8th August 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-3fe

Posted by: The Busker | Aug 8 2025 12:37 utc | 264

Mr Zelenski, the clown, is panicking and is trying to stop the meeting between Mr Putin and Mr Trump. No doubt there’ll be major attack on civilians soon by Kiev in order to provoke a response which western capitals can throw at Mr Trump in an attempt to turn him off the meeting

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 8 2025 12:44 utc | 265

Again, it’s what kind of deal is most practical?
Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 12:28 utc | 263
I believe continued weapons supplies and foreign bases in Ukraine are absolute red lines for Russia, we will see.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 8 2025 12:50 utc | 266

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YlnCkYcQD4
The first 15 minutes or so of this are very helpful as Crooke carefully brings up good points about Ukraine. It’s easy, in a political sense, to manage a war as simple minded, all out opposition. Peace will make things very complicated for Ukraine and Zelensky is out of his depth on that. Putin has concerns in the Global South as to keeping India and others as his friends – confounding the US – and that relates to what he does in Ukraine. I was surprised that Crooke thinks Russia may eventually get Odessa one way or the other. Another solid point is that the US is strongly reactionary and Putin knows this. This is why he moves slowly and tries to assuage Trump. No 9/11 or Pearl Harbor shocks, just quiet attrition.
Understanding that last point explains a great deal as to Russia’s actions – that Russophobes and Neo Cons have widely misinterpreted – to their undoing.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 13:06 utc | 267

I heard on the Lex Fridman podcast that the UA population was armed with guns by the government.
I am curious why the TCC incidents are unarmed? (modulo occasional blunt weapons)

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Aug 8 2025 13:08 utc | 268

Lukashenko on his guy Trump.
I ❤️ Luka

Noted Trump fan Alexander Lukashenko says he’s been a little disappointed by his second term.
“I am a Trumpist, but he is talking too much to the media. Do you have any foreign policy apart from tariffs? He imposes one in the morning, another in the evening, then he cancels them. Think it through first.”

video
https://x.com/M_Simonyan/status/1953803741129257119

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 14:26 utc | 269

The truest words in the thread which attracted an unusual amount of Trump fluffers and logic contortionists:

Russia has beat the West down worse than they will admit. EU and US are facing huge problems with debt and de-industrialization.

As well as the usual suspects talking about how PUTIN…the statesman and strategist of our AGE..will make a bad deal. Motherfuckers, please. Putin isnt a dopey dipshit like his counterpart.
Also markw, you sound mad. You should get used to disappointment.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 8 2025 14:26 utc | 270

Well Trump cant actually negotiate for Europe.
Though some take Europe lightly and likely to self-destruct anyway.
It is kind of ironic to watch Europe claim to be part of the conflict without wanting to be recognized as part of the conflict.
They are on the fence.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2025 14:31 utc | 271

@ jared | Aug 8 2025 14:31 utc | 273
> Well Trump cant actually negotiate for Europe.
Lord Ismay croaks “yes, that was the point”.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 8 2025 14:39 utc | 272

To some extent Trump just needs a distraction from all the dumpster fires that he has caused at home and in the Middle East.
I imagine also that some would like to distract Russia from a potential knock-out blow in Ukraine.
Already they are slackening in prep for the meeting.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2025 14:42 utc | 273

“Trump is still considering whether it is worth punishing Putin directly at all if Moscow does not meet the deadline.” Just read that again. The so-called leader of the free world isn’t even sure if he should respond. That’s not strategy. That’s fear. That’s confusion. Russia stands firm, and the United States is stuck in indecision. They gave an ultimatum, and now they don’t even know what to do with it.
“The US trades little with Russia, so direct tariffs would be useless.” They admit it themselves. They have no economic grip on Russia. No tools. No leverage. All the tough talk, all the threats, and in the end, they quietly confess it’s all for show. Russia is too resilient, too independent. And they know it.
“There is no consensus in the West Wing on the advisability of imposing secondary sanctions on countries doing business with Moscow.” This is huge. Even Trump’s own inner circle is split. They don’t agree. They don’t know how to deal with a world that refuses to obey. More and more nations are working with Russia, not turning away from it. The global order is shifting, and Washington is panicking.
Trump sanctioned India. Why? Because “he was already irritated by the lack of progress in the trade agreement with Delhi.” Not because of any principle. Not because of Russia. Out of irritation. Out of personal annoyance. This is what American foreign policy has become. A mood swing. A tantrum.
But with China, it’s different. Trump is “much more cautious” because he’s worried sanctions might “hinder ongoing trade negotiations.” So he hesitates. He backs off. He shows weakness. China supports Russia. But Trump is too afraid to touch them. He knows what would happen. And so he stalls.
What does this all show? That the American empire is exhausted. The threats are empty. The influence is fading. And as the United States hesitates, Russia holds its position with calm, with strength, with confidence.
The world sees this.

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1953714557869871274

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 8 2025 14:47 utc | 274

>>> “PUTIN…the statesman and strategist of our AGE..” <<< Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 8 2025 14:26 utc | 272 . . Oh really? Did the billions of war spending tell you that? The 100-200,000 war dead? The economic isolation? That how you came to that judgement?

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 14:57 utc | 275

Here’s the Canadian version of this nooze – including a short CBC interview with the always xenophobic Marcus Kolga of the Macdonald-Laurier Institute: ‘Vladimir Putin needs to feel more pain.’
Kremlin Confirms That Putin, Trump Expected to Meet in Coming Days
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-putin-possible-meeting-ukraine-war-1.7602928

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 8 2025 15:07 utc | 276

“”Nazi” now has a new meaning. It used to mean something specific and definable. Now it means “someone I dislike”, kind of like “fascist” but worse. Another case of language being killed by emotional reaction.”
Now there’s a steaming pile.
It has NEVER been so clear who and what NAZI’s are.
So many puzzle pieces of history fit right together,
now.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 8 2025 15:13 utc | 277

Oh really? Did the billions of war spending tell you that? The 100-200,000 war dead? The economic isolation? That how you came to that judgement?

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 14:57 utc | 277
Such a high level of “concern” about Russia, yet none whatsoever for Ukraine; Col. Doug McGregor has mentioned a figure of 1.8million, may be high, may be making some allowance for all the casualties caused by Russian missile and drone strikes on Ukrainian rear positions.
As for the Ukrainian economy, it is a flat-lining, ‘nil-by-mouth’ patient, only kept alive by direct intravenous infusions of Western cash, which is affordable until it isn’t.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 15:15 utc | 278

TACO go “bwawk bwawk!”
@ Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 12:36 utc | 265

It was Financial Times, I believe, which coined Trump’s favorite acronym wrt incessant tariff back&forthing. Or maybe forth&backing: charging forth with a bold initiative on Monday, backing down on Tuesday.
Because “the glove fits” we will never acquit Trump of the charge of cowardice. When you can never get a straight answer about anything, when reporters are attacked for rude questions and most questions are Foxflax in the wind, you’re witnessing institutional intellectual cowardice of epic proportions. I instantly adored the new epithet, appropriately describing Trump’s vacuous, bankrupt, brain-dead approach to everything, not just tariffs.
Because it fits like a custom pair of gloves for his famously tiny hands, the epithet has stuck like glue. There’s no way to stop it, now, but I don’t much like it anymore. It feels like taunting the bully: “Are you man enough to push the button, or what?”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 8 2025 15:16 utc | 279

If putin actually agrees to this there is no way he isn’t an american plant lmao

Posted by: erik cartmanjos | Aug 8 2025 15:23 utc | 280

I heard on the Lex Fridman podcast that the UA population was armed with guns by the government.
I am curious why the TCC incidents are unarmed? (modulo occasional blunt weapons)

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Aug 8 2025 13:08 utc | 270
There already have been shooting incidents and grenade attacks on TCC offices; as for street-level confrontations it might just be a question of time and place, in that the press-gangs haven’t yet tried to kidnap someone who is carrying a firearm, or someone nearby has a weapon to hand.
I don’t think Ukraine is officially an “open-carry” state.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 15:24 utc | 281

>>> “Such a high level of “concern” <<< Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 15:15 utc | 280 . . No, I have concern for the dead and suffering, but not for the leaders who brought that on, certainly not the fawning sycophancy that previous poster had for one of them.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 15:25 utc | 282

Z/H citing Bloomberg:

The US is working to get buy-in from Ukraine and its European allies on the deal, which is far from certain, the people said.
Putin is demanding that Ukraine cede its entire eastern Donbas area to Russia as well as Crimea, which his forces illegally annexed in 2014.
That would require Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy to order a withdrawal of troops from parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions still held by Kyiv, handing Russia a victory that its army couldn’t achieve militarily since the start of the full-scale invasion in February 2022.
Such an outcome would represent a major win for Putin, who has long sought direct negotiations with the US on terms for ending the war that he started, sidelining Ukraine and its European allies.
What are the odds Zelensky goes for this deal… and will Europe back it?
Zelenskiy risks being presented with a take-it-or-leave-it deal to accept the loss of Ukrainian territory, while Europe fears it would be left to monitor a ceasefire as Putin rebuilds his forces.
Russia would halt its offensive in the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions of Ukraine along the current battlelines as part of the deal, the people said. They cautioned that the terms and plans of the accord were still in flux and could still change.

So one can feel assured that that is definitely not what is happening.
Only remain to check what the NY Times is saying.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2025 15:26 utc | 283

OK. Absolutely nothing on the front pages of NY Times.
So there must be something important taking place.

Posted by: jared | Aug 8 2025 15:36 utc | 284

@ seer | Aug 8 2025 15:25 utc | 284
Don’t tell me, let me guess: it’s all Putin’s fault for launching a “full-scale” invasion and Western leaderships are in no way to blame?
How about you direct your ire at those who have spent the last 20-25 years plotting the military and economic downfall of the Russian Federation?
Doesn’t Russia have a right of self-defence, or is that only applicable to a chosen few?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 15:38 utc | 285

Trump and Putin will have a direct meeting because Putin is polite and willing to talk with Trump, not because he really expects Trump to have anything important to say.
Trump likes to claim that he is a big dealer, but Putin holds the aces and the face cards and Trump has a lot of 2s, 3s, and 4s.
Just the same, President Orangeskin Smallberry will fly home to DC and announce ‘Victory!’ And his fans will cheer.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 8 2025 15:42 utc | 286

I haven’t heard about this. Do you have more information?
Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 8 2025 12:34 utc | 264
The Trump regime has enhanced digital partnership with Palantir, and has signed the GENIUS act. Nobody has raised the alarm as much as Catherine Austin Fitts of solari.com in her various articles and interviews
https://solari.com/the-fast-approaching-digital-control-grid-a-checklist-of-trump-administration-actions-to-date/

Posted by: Iskander | Aug 8 2025 15:47 utc | 287

>>> “Don’t tell me, let me guess” <<< Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 15:38 utc | 287 . . Go ahead, keep guessing, like your buddy did above with the hyperbolic rants about some hack.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 15:48 utc | 288

I’ve been saying this since the last four months.
The conflict will end in a stalemate. Ukraine will retain its military strength and its pro western leadership.
Russia has learned the hard way that a war of attrition will never work as the battlefield has evolved with friend. Attritional warfare is a dead concept.
The proof of this is the fact that despite Ukraine manpower situation being in a critical state , Ukraine frontline didn’t collapse despite the war spanning longer than the entire great patriotic war.

Posted by: Fit Rice | Aug 8 2025 15:56 utc | 289

reply to 287 and others
Imagine having an annoying younger brother who puts his hand within an inch of your face and starts saying, “I’m not touching you, I’m not touching you” over and over. It doesn’t take long before somebody gets punched.
That’s what US/EU have been doing for years. Warsaw Pact goes away, NATO (looks like HATO in Russian) never does. Russia protests about NATO expansion and is told, ‘you shoulda got it in writing’. It’s endless , ‘I’m not touching you’. NATO needed to get punched.
As for Trump, Churchill is supposed to have observed, “the US will always do the right thing once it’s tried everything else”. Trump follows this principle on steroids. Yells, insults, threatens, lies, hypes, sanctions, and lies some more.
Eventually, Democrats will return to power in spite of their pathetic incompetence. Choose your lessor of two evils, America. I DO wonder what they will do about geopolitics after Trump has exhausted every imaginable (and shameful) alternative. Unless they re-discover reason and humility (ha – ha), Trump will be a tough act to follow.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 8 2025 16:12 utc | 290

Z Hedge says China is supporting a settlement. They wouldn’t publicly cross Russia, so Russia must be on board too. I’d guess India is backing it too, thus the recent tarriff business. Will the Blob accept it? It gets bad for them and the eurocucks, if they don’t. Foreign capital is already returning to Russia, or planning so. Whatever Trump is doing, it seems like a fait accompli.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 16:19 utc | 291

@ Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 15:48 utc | 290
OK, so clearly you don’t believe Russia has a right of self-defence.
Another closet Zionist apologist.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 16:23 utc | 292

rump is a certified narcissist and is always concerned about his image–his face. To say that the concept of face doesn’t matter within the Outlaw US Empire is to admit knowing very little about its internal workings and why those Imperial faces are in denial of the declining fate of their face and Empire.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 18:26 utc | 94
You’re a clown.
Be a terrible thing, eh, for YOUR narcisstic economic existence if your Substack suddenly had ZERO influence or subscribers when Putin and Trump … two of the three most powerful men on Earth … came to an understanding of what the new European Security framework consisted of?
Bottom line: It took the Russians 27 months to move 13 WHOLE kilometers from the capture of Bakhmut to the capture of Chasiv Yar. Untold human and material sacrifice in the effort. And, how are they going to govern these areas the next few decades as an “occupying force” absent some solid agreement.
Trump and Putin understand one thing: The US and Russia are Christian nations with FAR more interests Geo-politically and culturally than any interests the Russians have with the Chinese or Indians. Do you think Putin trusts Xi or the Chinese Communists? Nah. Does he trust Modi or Erdogan? Nah. Trump OWNS the Neocons right now. He’s the ONLY powerful leader on Earth Putin can trust. If earned.
Let it happen.

Posted by: Luvthedrake | Aug 8 2025 16:27 utc | 293

>>> “clearly” <<< Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 8 2025 16:23 utc | 294 . . Clearly, you and your bud keep guessing and hyperventilating.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 16:29 utc | 294

Posted by: Fit Rice | Aug 8 2025 15:56 utc | 291
Pokrovsk not going so well for you, COA troll?

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 8 2025 16:30 utc | 295

Ukraine Has ‘Sold Out’ – Former PM
https://www.rt.com/russia/622667-azarov-ukraine-sold-out/
“Leaders in Kiev squandered massive Western assistance while ruining the country in the process, Nikoley Azarov has said. Speaking in an interview aired on Thursday, Azarov, who held his post between 2010 and 2014 and fled to Russia after the Maidan coup, recalled that while Kiev’s Western backers had poured vast sums into Ukraine over the past three years, local officials have failed to use the money to improve the country.
‘This enormous amount of money, if it had been put to good use, could have transformed Ukraine,’ he said, adding that over more than a decade since the Western-backed coup in Kiev, the Ukrainian government has failed to build even a single metro station.
The Kiev leadership has also done incredible damage to the country’s economy, Azarov noted. ‘The homeland has long since been sold out. Its natural resources are sold – actually just given away. Industry is sold, agriculture is sold, everything is gone, you have nothing,’ he said, addressing fellow Ukrainians.
He questioned the purpose of continued fighting with Russia, stating: ‘What are you defending? Zelensky? Is he really so dear to you that hundreds of thousands of people should be laid in the ground?”
Agent Zelensky (& 2 vids)
https://mronline.org/2023/08/31/agent-zelensky-part-2/
“In the intelligence business, every agent is assigned tasks by his or her handlers.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 8 2025 16:30 utc | 296

Russia has learned the hard way that a war of attrition will never work…Attritional warfare is a dead concept…Ukraine frontline didn’t collapse despite the war spanning longer than the entire great patriotic war” – Fit Rice 291
While you make a fair point, I think you’re being a just bit hyperbolic.
What the cheerleaders here [and elsewhere] didn’t notice is the clippings from Slovak and Hungarian news sources. Those clipping told a story of how the Galician Waffen SS of today came up with a very crude solution to attrition warfare…they forced Slovaks, ethnic/cultural-Russians and Hungarians, people they planned on exterminating anyway into the Russian artillery showers of the front line.
And commenters here cheered the attrition-war on even though it spared the Nazis and killed the Slovaks, ethnic/cultural-Russians and Hungarians as effectively as any Nazi death camp…honestly, more effectively. But you know this crowd, utterly lacking in introspection they just change the subject when reality intrudes… Gaza; Cunt -> Taco; bad-orange-man they cried. And here we are.
In the next few months the actual Nazis would have to put their own lives on the line or cede the field of battle. As I predicted, when they run out of Slovaks, ethnic/cultural-Russians and Hungarians to throw in the grinder they’ll sue for peace. And so it has come to be. The attrition-warfare employed by the Russian will be seen by history as a blunder though none of the commenters here will admit their unwavering support for the crudest form of warfare known to man.
https://tass.com/world/1998581

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 8 2025 16:30 utc | 297

My latest: Only Trump Wants This War to End
Putin Steals America’s Show: In Just 24 Hours, Trump Watches Key Allies Gravitate Towards Moscow
Strengthening BRICS
PICKING THE BIG WINNER
Trump deflecting from sores at home and the overall negative fallout from ally Netanyahu’s slaughter of Palestinians in Gaza may need a settlement of hostilities more than any other party in the conflict.
China welcomes fresh US-Russia contacts, Xi says to Putin in call as Trump seeks end to Ukraine war
Wrap it up and put a ribbon on it please.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 8 2025 16:30 utc | 298

>>> “Trump OWNS the Neocons right now.” <<< Posted by: Luvthedrake | Aug 8 2025 16:27 utc | 295 . . No, the neocons own Trump. He's surrendered to them. They may submit to defeat in Ukraine, but only because they have to. It's tactical.

Posted by: seer | Aug 8 2025 16:36 utc | 299

Trump discussed with Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni the possibility of holding a meeting with Putin in Rome, Sky News reported, citing sources in the Italian government.
https://tgstat.ru/en/channel/@DDGeopolitics/156873
Guess we should categorize this under jokes before the weekend enters. The Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court is precisely what the West uses to assume jurisdiction over any country on this planet and arbitrarily indict leaders it dislikes including Russian president Putin. The indictment against Netanyahoo who is currently managing the Gaza Holocaust never materialized as he can freely enter Europe and use its airspace at will.

Posted by: xor | Aug 8 2025 16:40 utc | 300