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August 7, 2025
Ukraine – Trump And Putin To Hold Peace Talks – OT 2025-177

The outcome of yesterday's three hours meeting between President Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff and President Putin of Russia was surprising.

The presidents seem to have agreed on a meeting, the first in four years between the two head of states.

As Yury Ushakov, an aide to President Putin, commented after Witkoff's visit:

This meeting took place in a business-like atmosphere and was quite constructive. Both sides can be satisfied with the outcomes of this conversation. The discussion focused on matters dealing with future efforts to work together in the context of resolving the Ukraine crisis. Once again, it was noted that Russia-US relations could be placed on a totally different, mutually beneficial footing, which would be in stark contrast with the way these relations have evolved in recent years.

Regarding the Ukraine agenda, at the proposal of the United States, there was a principled agreement to hold a top-level bilateral meeting in the coming days, which means a meeting between presidents Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump.

Together with our American colleagues, we are about to start working on the specific parameters of this meeting and its venue. Basically, the venue has also been coordinated, and we will communicate on this point a little later.

Next week was suggested as a possible time frame [for holding the meeting], but since the effort to prepare for this important event is only just beginning for both parties, it is hard to say how long the preparations will take. That said, the option of holding this meeting sometime next week was on the table, and we hold quite a positive view in this regard.

This U.S. side has confirmed the news of a summit which may potentially already take place next week.

The urgency with which the U.S. side requested the summit tells us that the Ukrainian army is near to a breakdown and total defeat.

It seems that President Putin has offered Trump a big deal – one that goes far beyond the rather annoying side issue of Ukraine.

This could could include offers of new agreements on nuclear arms restrictions and other questions of global interest. But Trump's interests are mostly driven by their economic impact. A Russian offer to allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds might have been the real winner. Additionally sanctions could be lifted and air-traffic between the countries could resume. Both sides could profit from these points.

But before these big things can happen the Ukraine issue must be put aside.

Russia's demands in this regard have been named for some time. A simple ceasefire at the line of contact is not sufficient. Russia wants full control of the four oblast (Donetzk, Luhansk, Kherson, Zaparoizhia) which were already included into the Russian constitution. It wants a guarantee that Ukraine will not join NATO and that it will lose the military support it currently has from the West.

Trump might be willing to concede those points. A majority of Ukrainians wants to end the war:

In Gallup’s most recent poll of Ukraine — conducted in early July — 69% say they favor a negotiated end to the war as soon as possible, compared with 24% who support continuing to fight until victory.

Even Zelenski now seems to agree with them (machine translation):

"Yesterday, various potential formats of meetings for peace at the level of leaders in the near future were discussed: two bilateral formats, one trilateral. Ukraine is not afraid of meetings and expects the same bold approach from the Russian side. It's time to end the war, " the Ukrainian president wrote.

But warmongers in Washington, in Europe and in Ukraine will try to sabotage anything that may lead to peace.

There are also smaller steps that could be sold as the success of a summit. A pause of long range drone attacks would be a noticeable though minimal concession that could be beneficial for both sides.

But overall I am not optimistic about an outcome.

It will be difficult to even establish an agenda for the meeting. Secretary of State Rubio and Foreign Minister Lavrov will need some time to haggle over the details. If the summit proceeds it might well end without results.

The whole thing could be a ploy. Trump may tell Putin to surrender and, as Putin will certainly not do so, use the summit to declare that Russia is guilty and must be punished by more sanction and other means. U.S. support for Ukraine would then resume.

It would not change the inevitable outcome but prolong the war for probably more than a year.

Comments

For the umpteenth time,
The US will make far more money working with Russia than Against.
Only the Neocolonial-Neocon can’t do the arithmetic, it cost hundreds times more to steal than to just pay for the stuff outright..particularly when you print money.
Morons….effing morons.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 15:21 utc | 1

I’m not optimistic either b. Somebody had to make major concessions…or…this is another social media stunt for dopey domestic consumption that will be reneged on or denied.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 7 2025 15:23 utc | 2

putin is throwing trump a bone… and he would like to see the usa come back to reality with regard to nuclear weapons too, i am sure..
i agree with you – the warmongers will try to sabotage it and the media will align with the warmongers – they always do..
i suspect nothing good will come out of this either and the war will continue.. i would be happy to be wrong… thanks b..

Posted by: james | Aug 7 2025 15:24 utc | 3

The ploy is simple.
Ukraine has to give up unconditionally. It has no choice and no one in US or Euronato could or would want to prevent that anymore.
Trump wants to spin this as a Trump victory – at least to Maga if not to people with commonsense (not many of those vote anyway).
Hence 1. The brilliant soundbite of US weapons that Europe will pay for (clearly none of that would ever happen but Trump avoids criticism of both not defending Ukraine and of paying for UKraine.)
and 2. Threats to Russia that suggest that Russia has done a deal because US pushed them into it even though this is a deal that Russia has been asking for for 3 years now.
and 3. The much larger deal of Russian security and USA backing right off the nato creeping border (that has always also been part of Russia demands) will not be mentioned by anyone.
Of course Trump may not achieve that in Washington – and I think this remains a big sticking point.
There is no other solution, and the best Trump can do is try to claim victory for a defeat.
This requires bravery on his part though, demanding US backs off Russia is the kind of thing that leads to assassination.

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 7 2025 15:27 utc | 4

“allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds”
This gang of world leaders, all of them and their cliques, nothing about them can surprise anymore.

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Aug 7 2025 15:29 utc | 5

THE HAGUE — Raising eyebrows on the final day of the NATO summit, Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that if he is not awarded the Nobel Peace Prize he will bomb Norway.
Warning Norway against “treating me very unfairly,” Trump argued that he deserved the Peace Prize for “dropping a million bombs on Iran.”
He demanded that Norway “hand over the Peace Prize or be obliterated,” adding, “If you Norwegian fuckers fuck with me, you will be fucking fucked.”

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 7 2025 15:32 utc | 6

After the hundreds of deals, treaties, accords and mutual regimens Russians signed that their Western “partners” had no intention of observing and tore up as soon as they ceased to be useful? Fat chance. Russian society ain’t blind or deluded, it’s been hearing all about this for years now, from the Western media itself often enough. It would balk at any attempt by government figures to “reconcile” or “make a deal that will definitely hold and be worth the paper it’s signed on this time for sure, trust”. Especially with the ongoing campaign of terrorist-style covert attacks and assassination attempts that never ceased for a moment. And remember what happened with even the most innocent “let’s undo the destruction of diplomatic ties and return diplomatic property” agreements made in Spring? All declared null and void already, as if to make the point stick.
Bridges are burned for good. Trump just wants a 3-day-shelf-life media event to pump himself up and present it as a landmark achievement. Putin might humour him for that, if only because he finds it amusing. I sure do. But anything more than a token media gesture is impossible. Russians finally got the message that the West wants them dead and will say any kind of lie but never waver from that goal no matter what.
I thank the deranged American government and powers-that-be for making all attemtps at pretending otherwise a laughable farce. Honesty’s better than false friendliness.

Posted by: Red Outsider | Aug 7 2025 15:34 utc | 7

Nothing will come of this.
The US is currently working to subvert Armenia and it’s not like America has suddenly become agreement capable.
On the surface, this looks like Putin buying time for BRICS and the Axis.
I expect nothing meaningful or tangible to occur.
Reminds me of last year when Trump the peacemaker was elected and then collaborated in the slaughter of 400,000 civilians, still ongoing.
Simple logic, the guy who promotes starvation and genocide, for any reason, is not the peacemaker.
These are all steps in euthanizing the Empire without reaching nuclear conflict. Like the long slow process of de-nazifying Europe, again.
And I know Trump is deluded and misinformed, but whose fault is that? Is he forced to golf with Lindsey Graham?
A man’s peers say a lot about who he is. He went from Epstein to Lindsey Graham. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 15:40 utc | 8

Michael Droy 4,
Vermont Senator George Aiken said: “Let’s declare victory and get out.” back in 1966. It would behoove Trump to follow suit. But as I said above the neocolonial-neocons can’t do basic arithmetic..so the risk of Trump being assassinated by a combination of USG-Foriegn-3LAs is very real.
So far the 3LA’s-media-minions are sticking to their Russia-RUSSIA-RUSSIA hoax which is telling. The problem with a combination of USG-Foriegn-3LAs killing Trump is…then you get Vance who is more of the same. Now if you see, dirt/disease [real/created] come out on/upon Vance then you know the game is afoot because Rubio is one of those neocolonial-neocons who can’t do basic arithmetic.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 15:40 utc | 9

Natalya Volkova | Aug 7 2025 15:29 utc | 5–
My thoughts when I read that were similar–Russians will NOT like Americans returning to exploit their nation. Get the new Eurasian Security Structure organized and implemented for several years to establish the basic level of trust between the ever-lying West and Russia. Here’s part of the RT report on what Zelensky said b omitted from his report:

In a post on Telegram on Thursday, the Ukrainian leader said he had spoken with German Chancellor Friedrich Merz to discuss ending the conflict in what he described as “a dignified peace” that would “determine the security conditions for Europe for decades.”
He also reported a discussion the previous day which focused on “potential formats for meetings for peace at the level of leaders in the near future,” including two bilateral and one trilateral framework.
“Ukraine is not afraid of meetings and expects the same bold approach from the Russian side. It is time to end the war,” he said. [My Emphasis]

As always, we shall see what the results are as Trump desperately needs to save face.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 15:44 utc | 10

I heard NBC reported that the meeting is conditional on Zelensky being present as well (according to US sources)
Therefore the chances of it actually taking place are essentially none.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 7 2025 15:47 utc | 11

B “I am not optimistic about an outcome.”
Of course you’re not, Eeyore.
By simply betting the contrary side 100%, you and your fellow travelers have managed to be right exactly once, the defeat of NATO in Ukraine.
Other than that, global events seem to constantly surprise. That’s because while you’re lost in self imposed delusions of some future utopia, down here in the real world Maslow still rules.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 7 2025 15:47 utc | 12

The only way to guarantee no NATO on Russian borders and no aggression from the West, is Russian missiles used in copious amounts. At the first sign of an infraction.

Posted by: Leroy | Aug 7 2025 15:51 utc | 13

Bridges are burned for good. Trump just wants a 3-day-shelf-life media event
Red Outsider | Aug 7 2025 15:34 utc | 7
Cry harder you fucking freak.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 7 2025 15:51 utc | 14

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 15:21 utc | 1
Most everyone will do better if there is peace but those currently in power in the West will lose their gravy train. Washington makes Byzantium seem honest and straightforward. Washington consists of competing gangs who will stop at nothing to get what they want including mass killings, assassinations, coups and so on. Trump’s job is to somehow create a new balance of power where the neocon gangsters will start pulling back their stranglehold on power. To do that Trump must convince the finance oligarchs to help in creating a new balance. Part of that strategy has always been to get the Zionists on his side hence his neo-criminal support of Israel. Even my description is making it sound too simple–things are, as they have been since the end of the Cold War, exponentially more complicated.
If Trump can get something from Putin that slightly changes the alignment of forces in his favor in Washington he’ll be happy and this war may gradually wind down. I don’t see a “stop” to it since the Euro-gangs, at the moment, are becoming like Washington under Biden–using war to produce bribes and profits for the main actors.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Aug 7 2025 15:57 utc | 15

I can’t see the Russians making any concessions. Z and the eurocucks would have to cave completely on Ukraine, plus restore full economic and diplomatic relations. Trump would go for all that, but the Blob won’t.
China and India might pressure the Blob though.

Posted by: seer | Aug 7 2025 15:58 utc | 16

1000ua.ru lists 1,000 Ukrainians Prisoners of War (POW).
This is the histogram of their year of birth. (Thanks, S.)
Military age is 18 to 35. This is the age profile of the Wehrmacht in 1945.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 7 2025 15:58 utc | 17

Posted by: Red Outsider | Aug 7 2025 15:34 utc | 7
######
Good post. Many Westerners want to believe that peace is possible,which is ironic because the West started and continues to fund the conflict.
The inevitable NATO/Nazi defeat looms.
They will fight like hell to avoid acknowledging it.
In the end, gravity always wins.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 15:58 utc | 18

Alexander Mercouris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m1Ky2IcuPo
“US blinks, withdraws deadline, offers Trump-Putin meeting, Putin says yes but no to meeting Zelensky.”
Recommended also for an excellent discussion of US tariffs on India.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 7 2025 16:00 utc | 19

Reposting from omnibus thread:
Putin Names Possible Venue For Talks With Trump
https://www.rt.com/news/622621-putin-names-venue-trump-talks/
“An in person meeting between the two presidents will take place as early as next week, according to the Kremlin…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 7 2025 16:04 utc | 20

A man’s peers say a lot about who he is. He went from Epstein to Lindsey Graham. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 15:40 utc | 8
Well said, LoveDonbass. Trump is a disgrace of a President! 🤡

Posted by: Dingleberry | Aug 7 2025 16:06 utc | 21

The whole thing could be a ploy.
Posted by b on August 7, 2025 at 15:19 UTC | Permalink

I surely suspect that it is. All the pieces are in place for a nuanced rug pull.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 7 2025 16:08 utc | 22

@S Brennan #1
Not true – a US/Russia rapprochement means less profits for the MIC.
Less bonuses and job security for the war agitators of the Deep State.
Less budget and mandate for the intel agencies and what not.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 7 2025 16:12 utc | 23

karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 15:44 utc | 10
“Russians will NOT like Americans returning to exploit their nation”
We do not have choices, you do not have choices. It seems to me that no real person has choices. This gang of liars and thieves are saying what they believe we want to listen to, here, there and everywhere.
My husband and son changed, with them I never knew silence, now I know it. They are both fine, more than fine, but they changed. Some days ago I understood why. Well they are loved, by me, I cannot even use words to describe everything that I feel. Therefore I also changed, and not only a small amount. Nothing is the same as we believe, and everything is different to what we are meant to believe.
Anyway there is good, in a lot of places, and there is a lot of good people, but not enough, and even a majority will never be enough, the evil and evil ones are really in control everywhere and everywhere. Humanity lost, those beasts and monsters always win.
I hope everything is well with your dear one and she is comfortable and recovering fast.
May you live under peaceful skies, you and all of yours, always.

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Aug 7 2025 16:14 utc | 24

Putin set to sign another “Minsk 3” with the “Agreement Incapable West”.
No Odessa.
No Nikolaev.
No Black Sea Coast.
No Landbridge to Transnistria.
No Kherson City.
No Zaporizhia City.
No Sumy.
No Kharkiv.
No landbridge to Hungary (And you wonder why Orban doesn’t take Hungary out of NATO! Hello).
No Denazification of Ukraine.
No Demilitarization of Ukraine.
How exactly is this a suitable outcome for Russia?
It isn’t.
But clearly Putin set to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
No doubt Xi & Modi have been on the phone to Putin urging him to cut a deal – they don’t want the heat!
I will be back next, or in a few weeks, to tell you all “I told you so”.
Why?
The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.
A leopard named Putin DOES NOT change his spots.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25

For me it seems that Trump is willing to give Putin what he wants for a ceasefire in return, which will allow Zelensky’s forces a chance to recoup, rest and rebuild his forces – and to prepare for further conflict with Russia, this conflict is by no means over, its looks like it will be paused – as Ukraine’s forces could be near collapsing.
Surely the Kremlin must know this is some sore of stall, to rebuild Ukraine’s forces – one hope is that US side deals with Russia, might see the ceasefire extended so as not to impinge upon them.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2025 16:16 utc | 26

Putin seems quite chirpy at the thought of meeting Trump – at the venue he’d like to meet him in.
“Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the United Arab Emirates could be a “suitable” location for a meeting with his US counterpart, Donald Trump.
An in-person meeting between the two presidents could take place as early as next week, according to the Kremlin.
Putin made the remarks to journalists on Thursday, following his talks in Moscow with UAE leader Mohamed bin Zayed Al Nahyan.
Asked about the location for a summit with Trump, Putin said Russia has “many friends” who are ready to help, and pointed to the UAE as an option. “One of our friends is the president of the United Arab Emirates. I think we will decide, but this would be one of the quite suitable places,” he said.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2025 16:20 utc | 27

@S Brennan (#1):
It is not about money, it is about control. The US is convinced that Russia can never be friendly with the rest of Europe if it wants to retain control over Europe. For the same reason Ukraine must be put securely into the US sphere of control, as to lessen the amount of land in Europe that Russia controls/influences.
Brzezinski wrote about this in a book in 1997. The main difference being that he thought that bringing Ukraine into the US’ orbit would be achieved peacefully.
Then there is the Eurasian heartland theory (Mackinder, 1904), which Kissinger mentioned in 2016 when he stated that the US had made a mistake by trying to keep Russia away from the rest of Europe in such a way that it turned Russia and China from hostile to each other to partners.
Oh and to add insult to injury; Brzezinski warned against performing actions that would drive Russia, China and Iran into each others arms.

Posted by: Who Cares | Aug 7 2025 16:22 utc | 28

Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25
The US have confirmed the meeting WONT HAPPEN unless Green t shirt man is present in the room.
Which means no meeting is happening.
Which means your blabbering is completely irrelevant .

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 7 2025 16:24 utc | 29

“a dignified peace” that would “determine the security conditions for Europe for decades.”
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 15:44 utc | 10
Z man playing one of the few cards in his hand, the Ace of Life… “let me out alive and I will sign the dignified peace agreement and then immediately resign”.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Aug 7 2025 16:25 utc | 30

Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25
No doubt Xi & Modi have been on the phone to Putin urging him to cut a deal – they don’t want the heat!

Besides the supposedly pro-Russian (but in reality just pro-war) drivel you’ve used a lot of lines for, the quoted sentence is contradictory: Beijing knows that they’re next and a simmering European conflict with US participation delays the conflict US+vassals against China.

I will be back next, or in a few weeks, to tell you all “I told you so”.

We all bow to your prescience, dipshit.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 7 2025 16:25 utc | 31

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 7 2025 15:32 utc | 6
THE HAGUE — Raising eyebrows on the final day of the NATO summit, Donald J. Trump said on Wednesday that if he is not awarded the Nobel Peace Prize he will bomb Norway.
Warning Norway against “treating me very unfairly,” Trump argued that he deserved the Peace Prize for “dropping a million bombs on Iran.”
He demanded that Norway “hand over the Peace Prize or be obliterated,” adding, “If you Norwegian fuckers fuck with me, you will be fucking fucked.”
Great comment, thanks for the laugh, I needed one.

Posted by: Randy | Aug 7 2025 16:26 utc | 32

In take off of Rachel Maddow’s shtick“…the walls are closing in…”we have:
Trump desperately needs to save face“.- Karlof1 10
This 3LA-inspired narrative conveniently ignores what Jake Sullivan and Antony Blinkin did after Kamala Harris lost the election. Since many here appear clueless to the details, I’ll remind readers; after losing the election Jake Sullivan and Antony Blinkin openly accelerated payments and arms transfers. Funds/arms transfers that were supposed to take place over 2 & 1/2 years was shortened to ~2 & 1/2 months.
Unlike others here, I noted that occurrence and remarked that those actions would mean that the Galicians ruling ex-ukrainia would not have an interest in leaving or stopping the war until all those funds were pilfered and the arms sold to the black market. I predicted [rightly or wrongly] that wouldn’t happen until late fall. But still it’s:
Trump [who] desperately needs to save face“.- Karlof1 10
Rather than the villains who made this happen? Why is this?
If Trump/Putin brings this war to a conclusion by Armistice Day [11 NOV 2025] it’ll be a miracle. The little people of the world will celebrate it’s end while the world’s 3LAs, their media minions and commenters here will mourn the event with crocodile tears exspousing the DNC line: “It’s Trump’s-War it’s Trump’s-defeat
Stealing from Steely Dan; “Only a Fool Would Say That

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 16:26 utc | 33

1000ua.ru lists 1,000 Ukrainians Prisoners of War (POW).
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 7 2025 15:58 utc | 17

Note: these are the POWs that the Kiev regime refused to take. The stats for those it agreed to take could be different (younger, perhaps?).

Posted by: S | Aug 7 2025 16:30 utc | 34

If the announced meeting between Putin and Trump takes place, I am convinced that it will not end well for Russia.

Posted by: guest from franconia | Aug 7 2025 16:31 utc | 35

US diplomacy is modeled after Mars Attacks! E.g. “Stop! I come in peace” all the while vapourizing whoever stops running.
Trump administration has a track record of stabbing peacemakers in the back. Usually during negotiations.

Posted by: Martian | Aug 7 2025 16:33 utc | 36

Re: Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 7 2025 16:24 utc | 29

Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25
The US have confirmed the meeting WONT HAPPEN unless Green t shirt man is present in the room.
Which means no meeting is happening.
Which means your blabbering is completely irrelevant .

Sure NT. Get back to me in a month and we’ll see where we are – I bet I’ll be closer to what happens than any predictions you’ve made.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:33 utc | 37

It was Trump who insisted on the meeting. Therefore I would assume that it was Trump/Witcoff who brought something to the table.
Why would it be Putin making the concessions at a meeting initiated by Trump?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 7 2025 16:36 utc | 38

Posted by: Who Cares | Aug 7 2025 16:22 utc | 28
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Brzezinski was the originator of the violent Ring of Fire policy against Russia, so it’s odd that you’re claiming he wanted peaceful means. That guy was a swine, the original policy neocon. May he burn forever.

Posted by: seer | Aug 7 2025 16:36 utc | 39

Let’s see. The Usual Suspects are softening up the terrain — polls showing that most Ukrainians want an end to the proxy war; media reports about Zelensky’s corruption, and about potential replacements. Add in the fact that the US has a lot of carrots it can offer to Russia unilaterally (without any cooperation from EuroScum) and it is possible to see a deal — or at least a genuine ceasefire while elections take place in “democratic” Ukraine.
My bet is still on Russia seeking UN blessing for any deal, probably with a mandated Chinese Army of Occupation sent to Rump Ukraine with orders to keep both NATO and Russia out, and to deal with corruption in the heavy-handed Chinese way.
Of course, blind hatred of President Trump stops many people from looking at the situation rationally.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Aug 7 2025 16:36 utc | 40

“Anyway there is good, in a lot of places, and there is a lot of good people, but not enough, and even a majority will never be enough, the evil and evil ones are really in control everywhere and everywhere. Humanity lost, those beasts and monsters always win.”
Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Aug 7 2025 16:14 utc | 24
Nah, the Beast and his monsterz lost.
We are living through the process of making this reality known to all.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Aug 7 2025 16:42 utc | 41

Now we’ll just have to wait and see, but don’t deceive yourself into thinking that Putin might decide differently than you think.
He certainly hasn’t forgotten that Trump’s days are numbered, and whoever comes after him will have thrown away everything he has today regarding Russia within a few weeks.
Nevertheless, I think it’s possible that Putin will now be content with the four regions WITHOUT ODESSA, under the condition of a neutral Ukraine and NO large army…or something like that.
But by doing so, he’s creating enemies in his own ranks, that’s for sure…not only in the General Staff and the Duma, but also among the common people, questions would be raised: why all this if they didn’t at least try to eradicate the threat 100%, why so many Russians have died, but the Germans are still dreaming of “final victory.”
LET’S…say something:
Putin wants to prepare for something bigger that’s coming to Russia…without Ukraine in active warfare, his warehouses would fill up much faster. He could concentrate on the Baltic states, Poland, and Germany, and prepare for it. A Trump would ONLY make him promise to keep this war in Europe and NOT to involve the USA… because THAT IS THE USA’S WET DREAM: a Europe on the ground, which would equate to the global economy in ruins, supply routes destroyed… zero demand for oil and gas in Europe = empty coffers of suppliers like the Saudis, Qadr, Venezuela, Iraq, etc. There wouldn’t be enough buyers. But a lot of unrest and hunger! 2 to 3 billion deaths in about 5 years = reduced world population….
Tinfoil hat?
Well, time will tell. But Putin continues to think like a Trump…
But I bet… you’ll be disappointed with the outcome of this meeting.

Posted by: Beobachter II | Aug 7 2025 16:45 utc | 42

Does not look good to me, I can’t believe that Putin will go for Minsk III, but I can’t think of a rabbit in his hat that will appease the beasts and avoid a new scam. We’ll find out soon.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 7 2025 16:45 utc | 43

I assume that Trump by himself is too weak to come up with an agreement that survives and Putin is making a similar assumption. So why is Putin playing this game wigh Trump? Trump painted fhe US in a corner and he now needs the help of Putin to save face awaiting his next big blunder.
Did Putin really offer a ceasefire after the Ukrainian forces retreat out of the four oblasts claimed by Russia and after “guarantees” are offered that Ukraine won’t ever be part of NATO? As Zelensky puts it, the devil is in the details.

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 7 2025 16:46 utc | 44

a simmering European conflict with US participation delays the conflict against China” – Konami 31
Yeah, that and much more. It’s allowed China to get LONG-TERM energy-deals/Technology -transfers from Russia it would never have gotten without the War Against Russia [WAR]. Again, I note that the most ardent anti-Russ-neocolonialist-neocons are those who receive the lion’s share of China’s lobbying efforts. China is and has been the biggest beneficiary of the WAR. If we take Obama’s wars against Russia Libya/Syria/ex-ukrainia which start in the 2009-2010 time frame we see.
China’s GDP has shown significant growth from 2010 to 2025, increasing from approximately $6.1 trillion in 2010 to an estimated $19.23 trillion in 2025
https://gordcollins.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/china-gdp-growth-to-2025.jpg

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 16:49 utc | 45

Putin is laying down conditions that are minimal, basic, as compared to before.
But, let’s remember for what result > *a cease-fire.*
Not anything else, not more, and any agreement is built on the idea or hope that ‘nogotiations’ (sic! see my typo) will be activated pronto, will create a move forward, positive something or other, etc.
At present, from Russia, just 2 basic conditions are tabled. UKR withdraws from the 4 Oblasts (that are now R territory according to R) and that UKR / all Intl. agree that UKR will never join NATO.
— As compared to far wider and complicated demands, proposals, made previously. (For ex. for the restoring of normal diplomatic relations, by returning embassy properties in the US to R..)
Imho this shows that Putin and Co. have boiled things down to very ‘basic’ and ‘minimalist’ demands in an attempt to get DT to come on board, and agree to the proposal, as the avenue is open, he, DT, can save face, agree, and be seen as the Peacemaker, a Prez who is a great negotiator, deserves the Nobel, etc.
Killing in UKR stops (at least temporarily.)
If that is accomplished, there are ways to move on. Backtracking, rapidly or not, for R is always an open option, so in any case, nothing is forfeited, nothing is potentially lost.
Yes this a positive pov.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 7 2025 16:50 utc | 46

Seer 39,
Absolutely, may he burn in hell. I note his daughter now wears his horns.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 16:53 utc | 47

The Americans are trying to sucker the Russians with yet another version of the Minsk Agreement peace scam–in the hopes that Russia halts its military advance and thus allows America to salvage its Ukrainian military proxy to fight another day.
That is what the first Minsk “peace” agreement was really about, as German ruler Angela Merkel subsequently admitted: buying time to remilitarize Ukraine.
Former German Chancellor Merkel admits the Minsk agreement was merely to buy time for Ukraine’s arms build-up
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/12/22/ffci-d22.html
A decade later, the Trump Regime is attempting the same political deception.
Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, shame on me.
This time, if Putin sells out to the Americans yet again, he will not have any credible alibi that he was simply “misled”–and will face the consequences that inevitably follow.

Posted by: ak74 | Aug 7 2025 16:53 utc | 48

A leopard named Putin DOES NOT change his spots.
Posted by: Julian | Aug 7 2025 16:15 utc | 25
#########
Cry moar Nazi.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 16:55 utc | 49

To use a football analogy. Russia is 3 nil up with 20 minutes to go: why would you agree to abandon the game for it to be replayed in 3 months time at nil nil?

Posted by: Cavery | Aug 7 2025 16:56 utc | 50

BRICS nation are watching and so are the Russian people.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 7 2025 16:57 utc | 51

Basically, the Russians are not at the mopping up stage. They have won. The only thing I’m worried about is nato getting embroiled in some pretended imbroglio over the baltic states and we face armageddon because a Russian drone has entered Latvia or some other fairytale excuse.

Posted by: Cavery | Aug 7 2025 17:00 utc | 52

Natalya Volkova | Aug 7 2025 16:14 utc | 24–
Thanks for your reply. Yes, she’s recovering well. The time when most complications arise has passed, so we’re very happy about that.
Yes, war changes people–combatants and non-combatants, particularly the families of the former. In my report, “Post Putin-Witkoff Speculation Rife”, I included a small item TASS reported that other media and b missed–a comment by Rubio that a ceasefire still must come first.
As I recall, Defenders of the Fatherland offer counseling services to SMO participants and their families. I suggest the three of you see what is offered as the silence indicates internal PTSD. IMO, United Russia, Defenders of the Fatherland, and the many other support organizations need to be told in very direct terms that SMO participants blame the Outlaw US Empire and EU/NATO for what they experienced; that resuming diplomatic relations is one thing but inviting them back into Russia is seen as a violation of moral principles. If I were a Russian, I’d demand that for the USA to be invited back into Russia for business it must have ceased its existence as the Outlaw US Empire, which may take a very long time–many decades.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 17:00 utc | 53

Those galician bastards get nazism from their mothers’ milk. Russia would have to liquidate them all, to facilitate a true denazification. That won’t happen, so penning them in was always the only obtainable goal. Are they penned-in? Only if the Blob stops feeding them. Russia has to assess that likelihood.

Posted by: seer | Aug 7 2025 17:01 utc | 54

America no longer makes anything tangible that anyone else wants to buy.
Instead, the entire West produces narratives, fantasies, and delusions.
Instead of focusing on new ideas, they have trained the audience to think that freedom is slavery and that peace is war.
And they will argue that stuff to the death.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 17:01 utc | 55

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Aug 7 2025 16:36 utc | 40
So any criticism of Trump is caused by “blind hatred”. Well, that’s an easy way of nullifying criticism of your beloved Fuhrer. Unfortunately, no one will believe you, as the reasoning is idiotic. As is Trump.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 7 2025 17:02 utc | 56

The big question is who else is going to insist on being present. I assume Zelensky will insist and probably the usual gang of European idiots. If it is just Trump and Putin, something might get done – one good thing about Trump is that he is very transactional.

Posted by: ian | Aug 7 2025 17:02 utc | 57

Posted by: Beobachter II | Aug 7 2025 16:45 utc | 42
‘Tinfoil hat?’ Yes.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 7 2025 17:04 utc | 58

Cry moar Nazi.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 16:55 utc | 49

Seems strange to call Julian a “Nazi” given that he is disappointed that large Russian-speaking cities may stay under Ukrainian Nazi control. Shouldn’t you tell him “Cry more, anti-Nazi”?

Posted by: S | Aug 7 2025 17:10 utc | 59

Same skepticism as you – There’s a fine line between playing 4D chess and taking hard drugs, and so far I’m not buying the 4D chess. Even if Trump wanted peace (and he very well might), there are too many hard at work trying to sabotage everything. Then again, there has to be some reason Trump is quadrupling down on the Epstein “hoax” thing — getting along with the elites in the Epstein matter might make them decide their efforts are better wasted elsewhere.

Posted by: HarryBaggins | Aug 7 2025 17:16 utc | 60

Posted by: ian | Aug 7 2025 17:02 utc | 57
Who will be there is an interesting question. Putin has said this level of diplomacy should be conducted behind closed doors and that’s fine. To be fair to those prone to sensitivity to “blind hatred” I will say the Trump is NOT a diplomat and leave it there. I would recommend a signed, detailed document, made available immediately for all to see should something arise from this.
When it comes to deceitful dirty tricks Empire of lies has no peer. Also, an event such as this would require EXTREME security measures.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 7 2025 17:17 utc | 61

To freeze the conflict in order to strengthen Ukraine on the brink of defeat, USA, by the division of labor ( Vance), will be using NATO, EU as the attack dog.
Russian oligarch want a stop of the SMO, also the Atlanticists, general staff has no illusions whatsoever, but Russia needs a break as well.
USA will thus free itself for the aggression on China. Capitalists are down, reset by global war needed.
Re: B’s article on China suspending rare earth metals, the investment opportunities in Russia offered to us with preferential treatment are exactly about this, rare earths…
Yes, BRICS and Russian people are watching,after Syria this would be another catastrophe.
I find this excellent interview, few days old, before Witkoff, very useful to understand the global context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw84E8AM52Y&t=1886s
Putin SMASHES Trump’s Nuclear Sub Bluff, US War on China Looms w/ Brian Berletic & KJ Noh!
Helmer who decided to go into silence in these crucial days has archives, thus reading on negotiations from April, helps.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 7 2025 17:19 utc | 62

“The outcome of yesterday’s three hours meeting between President Trump’s envoy Steve Witkoff and President Putin of Russia was surprising.”
Only if you haven’t been paying any attention. Steve Witkoff spent a considerable amount of time in Russia when he first began working as President Trump’s diplomat, and it wasn’t to enjoy history lessons. But you don’t need special knowledge of private meetings to see the pattern of months: President Trump thunders furiously at VVP, and the ultimate action is something of negligible harm or actual benefit to Russia. The resistance types hoping that VVP is merely humoring the Americans are likely to be bitterly disappointed, as I have been saying all year.
By the way, only someone with zero understanding of America, Americans, and American wrestling culture would claim President Trump gives the slightest toss about “saving face.” America is not a culture which believes in face, and Americans will usually fight you for some other reason than internal shame. DJT has been Public Enemy #2 of the New York media for a decade, just behind VVP. He doesn’t care about the opinions of his globalist enemies, and actively delights in their tears. Awards like the Nobel Peace Prize have no value to him.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 7 2025 17:19 utc | 63

Nobody knows what TACO is thinking … including TACO

Posted by: Trisha | Aug 7 2025 17:20 utc | 64

Hellensky presence is already pushed in by the bri’ish and the eurotards … this “meeting” will end up in a nothing-burger.
You can’t have a talk with the Don anyway, this guy is constantly bragging and lying about anything, anytime, anywhere.
He will try to present himself as a “peacemaker” while arming and leaking intel for kokhols terrorists …
Just say yes and let him at the Moscow airport with a pedal tricycle in mid January Russian Winter. “Now go to Kremlin Donald , meeting in 15 minutes , Быстрее Быстрее ! ”

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 7 2025 17:22 utc | 65

“…air-traffic between the countries could resume. Both sides could profit from these points.”
Wonder what happens when Trump’s TSA/CBP detains the first Russian tourists and interrogates them about”antisemitizzzzm” or the puppy killer’s masked ICE agents in Tactical Old Navy deport them to CECOT or Djibouti.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 7 2025 17:28 utc | 66

I think there is a Trump trade in the works – Ukraine for Iran! Or part of Ukraine, at least. But there really are minimal options. Putin is unlikely to break with China. So I think the best he can offer is US investment in Russia – especially oil and gas – and a complete lifting of sanctions and their money back (possibly with some damages to rebuild pipelines, etc). There are some other serious nagging issues, like a refueling port in Northern Syria that Putin needs. And the dynamic with Israel. A big ‘wholistic’ deal is unlikely – and too complicated for a summit meeting. Putin can’t lose face after all the losses in Ukraine. And Zelensky is already positioned as the fall guy. So there is some scope to get a favorable deal. Trump badly needs a deal because the situation with Russia is impacting every other relationship, notably India, and it’s beefing up China and Iran, too. But can Putin trust all this? A Minsk III – will he be fooled again? How can anyone ‘police’ a deal anyway? I think the tide will turn against Trump in the U.S. if it hasn’t already. Will Democrats keep the deal? Is America agreement capable? I think it has to be hard, immediately tradable items on the table, and nothing that has to be policed. i.e., real land gains, real immediate peace, real bank deposits returned, real access to minerals… very immediate stuff. Nothing that has to be policed long-term. And regime change in Iran to boot might be an ask, which might be a tall order from Trump to Putin, because Putin has less sway over what goes on in Iran, and Iran’s more strategic and more important for China anyway (for Putin to be able to deal it away). Bottom line – both sides want peace, but don’t have much to offer for it. And at this stage, it’s all about saving face.

Posted by: Ayatoilet KhKhKh | Aug 7 2025 17:30 utc | 67

To the notion that USA can ever be trusted I have to quote an old Soviet.
“Even if the spy, Allen Dulles, should arrive in heaven through somebody’s absentmindedness, he would begin to blow up the clouds, mine the stars, and slaughter the angels.”
—Ilya Ehrenburg

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 7 2025 17:34 utc | 68

The status quo from last year remains.
Trump has nothing to offer, and the Russians have no incentive to stop winning.
Trump could offer promises and guarantees.
Everyone knows that America will not abide by any agreements. Everyone knows what Trump did to Iran by way of negotiation.
We have a year+ of Putin not giving in to Trump or NATO. That’s evidence.
Anyone following Russian, Chinese, and Iranian domestic sentiment today knows that perceptions of America oscillate between a joke and an angry kid.
It is sad and a little funny to see MAGAs rejoicing that Trump announced a meeting.
The bar gets lower and lower.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 17:35 utc | 69

Posted by: ian | Aug 7 2025 17:02 utc | 57
The cuck doesn’t get to go on a date with the wife. Zelensky is the wife, and Putin and Trump are the bulls. In the eurocucks case, the best they might hope for is a text after the meeting from Zelensky on how good the sex was.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 7 2025 17:45 utc | 70

Nothing will come of this.
The US is currently working to subvert Armenia and it’s not like America has suddenly become agreement capable.
On the surface, this looks like Putin buying time for BRICS and the Axis.
I expect nothing meaningful or tangible to occur.
Reminds me of last year when Trump the peacemaker was elected and then collaborated in the slaughter of 400,000 civilians, still ongoing.
Simple logic, the guy who promotes starvation and genocide, for any reason, is not the peacemaker.
These are all steps in euthanizing the Empire without reaching nuclear conflict. Like the long slow process of de-nazifying Europe, again.
And I know Trump is deluded and misinformed, but whose fault is that? Is he forced to golf with Lindsey Graham?
A man’s peers say a lot about who he is. He went from Epstein to Lindsey Graham. 😂😂😂
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 15:40 utc | 8
Generally agree: Trump isn’t motivated by a desire for peace. He wouldn’t be the head Imperialist if that was the case.
But, there are other interests. An economic benefit and an opportunity to offload Ukraine, may be seen as an effective way of redirecting Imperialism’s military energy to Asia and the Middle East.
Still it will probably go nowhere because he’s a wimp who can’t assert himself against the unelected anti Russia obsessives in permanent Washington. He’s just an individual and not a very courageous or bright one at that. Plus, Israel definitely controls his every move. If they want the war to continue, it will. Judging from the number of highly placed dual citizens obsessed with “extending Russia” it seems likely Israel would too. I get the impression it’s seen as a second historic homeland for Jews.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 7 2025 17:51 utc | 71

Dumbass spitting bile again. For every 10 comments, there’s Dumbass. He is a compulsive-obsessive. He simply can’t control his reflexes. Unable to allow a thread to run without his incessant interjection
Being a bully, he is quick to target and abuse but cries for his mommy when he draws flack back.
Posted by: Barstool | Aug 7 2025 17:49 utc | 71
Pathetic!

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 7 2025 17:53 utc | 72

🇺🇸🇺🇦🇪🇺 The USA is pushing Zelensky to meet with Vladimir Putin, and he is pushing the Europeans
The head of the Kyiv regime stated:
“All decisions that will be made to end this war and ensure security truly concern all of Europe, not just one country.”
📝 From this, the outdated one concludes:
“Therefore, Europe’s voice should influence the processes.”
However, it was previously reported that Trump’s plans do not include EU participation in the negotiation process (and Russia does not need it either), but at the same time, a condition for his meeting with Vladimir Putin is allegedly a meeting between the Russian leader and the outdated one.
– Ostashko

https://x.com/Zlatti_71/status/1953514289337184463
Yeah, Putin is not going to legitimize Zelensky with a meeting.
Russians will talk to anyone but Putin isn’t going to walk into an assassination to talk to a Nazi.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 17:54 utc | 73

Are the two representatives of their respective industrial war complexes meeting to coordinate the drive to consolidate absolute capitalism to reframe the global class structure? If the reports allowing for Western capital to operate in Russia are true, that implies a capitulation by Russia to its sovereignty justifying the SMO. That would be a great victory for Western capital. The SMO must not have provided the returns on investment oil producers counted on. China and the rest of the Global South must be wary to any reconciliation between these two centers of capitalist authoritarianism. The inability of oil producers to rejuvenate profits from the SMO, the genocide in Gaza, and even the short war against Iran, may mean they have to accelerate war making elsewhere.
https://www.paecon.net/PAEReview/issue109/Bichler_Nitzan109.pdf

Posted by: Keme | Aug 7 2025 18:01 utc | 74

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuPRc-7WyM
Brian adds another verse to ‘I told You So’.

Posted by: Squeeth | Aug 7 2025 18:01 utc | 75

Generally agree: Trump isn’t motivated by a desire for peace. He wouldn’t be the head Imperialist if that was the case.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 7 2025 17:51 utc | 72
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Yes, but what many choose to ignore is that Trump has no autonomy or authority. Even if Trump wanted peace, no one in the Administration would support such an endeavor.
This is all kabuki.
Many Americans (of a certain age, not to be named) are glued to their TVs and believe everything the screen says.
Trump is producing “content” for the American perception of itself, reinforcing ego, binding the true believers closer and tighter to their hero. He is the source of their pride and self-esteem; woe be to anyone who disagrees.
That is why footage and photos from Gaza are causing such a glitch in the Matrix. People cannot reconcile those images with what they have been programmed to believe about their leaders and country. Americans are behind a genocide, and people from the ROW only attack America because they are “jealous” of American freedoms. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 18:02 utc | 76

The Blob has granted Trump latitude on tarriffs and trade, and hardening the borders against the illegal alien invasion. The Blob controls all else.
Russia should look for concessions on trade and tarriffs which Trump is empowered to make. They may get back the seized cash. Reopening energy flows to the eurocucks may occur. The Blob hates this, but they also know they’ve lost, so…

Posted by: seer | Aug 7 2025 18:02 utc | 77

Putin is continuing the performative “jaw, jaw” while he focuses on “war, war”. He is the opposite of Trump, he is a calm calculating leader who will do what is necessary to gain his objectives while limiting the risk to the nation. Same as Xi, same as the Iranian Supreme Leader. They all understand that RIC (Russia, Iran, China) either stands together or falls apart, and that the Americans (and West) will never stop trying to destroy them. So they will manage Trump with nice words and performative gestures, while making hard decisions that have real impacts (such as the Chinese ban on the exports of critical minerals, Russia and China’s aid to Iran, China buying Russian oil, Russia’s slow destruction of the Ukrainian military etc.).

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 7 2025 18:05 utc | 78

Although it’s a well-guarded secret, I’ve been wrong before. /s.
Still, I bet Russia stringing NATO along.
Why:
– NATO rulers do not abide by their agreements, neither to other nations nor to voters.
– Russia knows this and therefore would require dramatic *action* by NATO prior to Russia compromising momentum.
– NATO is not yet willing to perform meaningful dramatic action that would satisfy Russia.
– NATO suspects Russia will string them along but uses these theatrics to continue gaslighting their serfs about being “peacemakers”.
– Russia knows NATO knows but hopes playing along forces NATO to briefly pause its next escalation for sale of optics.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 7 2025 18:11 utc | 79

Russia is a fool to stop long before a decisive win. Ukraine has huge amounts of weapons with more set to come in for years. Ukraine is planning more strikes on Russia.
https://en.parapolitika.gr/world/32940/ukraine-war-zelensky-plans-deep-strikes-on-russia-in-strategic-military-meeting/

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 7 2025 18:11 utc | 80

Saint Vladimir the Little needs to watch his back. As usual, he simply does not understand the Empire’s end goal, which is the dismemberment of Russia, starting with a decapitation strike. Sad but Putin always puts the tribe ahead of Russia. Always.

Posted by: Simpleton | Aug 7 2025 18:11 utc | 81

I said it in the last thread.
-Putin is either walking into a trap to help Donnie get his Peace Nobel while he shifts the narrative from it being Biden’s to Putin’s war..
or
-Putin is selling out his country as damage control for his failed Stupid Military Operation of ‘war / not war and we still don’t even control any of the 4 Oblasts we called our own while NATO is even bigger than before now’.
How can ‘A Russian offer to allow for huge investment opportunities in Russia for U.S. companies on preferential grounds’ in any way be viewed as a win for Russia??? I don’t think all those patriots that signed up to defend their country are that stupid, surely, despite believing a word Putin said.
Good luck selling that one at home. Get shot at for 3 years just so that Americans can get rich selling the resources your own Government can’t afford to extract or can’t sell to anyone anyway because.. oh wait, because it spent all its money fighting the Americans who declared war on you and they won. Again. Well at least you won’t die of alcoholism at 42 this time around i guess, yay.
So, after being surrounded by NATO military bases for 3 decades, losing Ukraine under your nose and watching your pipelines and oil tankers get blown up for 3 years by Americans, you then give the USA access to your resources and infrastructure??
Putin may as well hand his head on a plate to the Russian generals now, or am i the one who is missing something here?

Posted by: Rubiconned | Aug 7 2025 18:12 utc | 82

“Trump might be willing to concede those points [four oblast + no NATO joining].”
That’s not up to the US president, currently Trump, to decide and the Russian leadership knows that. It’s doubtful the “grey suits” could accept Russia’s terms in the Ukraine war theater and I think that both Ukraine ànd the EU can bleed a little further, which is very unfortunate obviously.

Posted by: xor | Aug 7 2025 18:13 utc | 83

@ Barstool | Aug 7 2025 17:49 utc | 71
Did LD name you for any criticism? Just skip his posts.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 7 2025 18:19 utc | 84

I’m trying to wrap my head around this. My thoughts are admittedly incoherent, but:
1. It maybe explains DJT’s strange insistence/”deal” that commits EU to buying US gas. Now that EU has committed, US doesn’t mind dropping sanctions on Russian gas. Now, nobody in the EU will actually buy US gas if they can get it from Russia, but then the US can just tariff or punish the EU (and claim “a great deal”).
Whether this part is true or not, the European countries are going to fight a deal (or at least try to, with limited leverage) tooth and nail–they basically abandoned all of their sovereignty and options to the US and are going to get discarded without any concessions whatsoever.
2. Putin, contrary to widespread media assumptions, does not have unlimited room to maneuver–he needs a deal that will keep his population at least relatively happy. This requires at an absolute bare minimum holding the four main territories, but also probably the “eight” that includes Odessa, etc. Given that Russia holds most (not all) of the cards, I imagine this will be part of the deal, stated or not. It’s also clear that the entire European continent (minus perhaps Turkey) will be dancing to Russia’s tune for the next generation or two, and that Russian security guarantees are going to be easy.
3. Trump wants cash, headlines, better odds of getting a Nobel Peace Prize, and to guarantee the interests of Israel. He likely also wants to distract from the Epstein mess.
I think this is an idiotic set of wants, but I don’t get to choose. In any case, if that’s all Trump wants, both sides should be able to come up with some agreement–Putin gets geopolitical benefits, and Trump gets to continue to be a carnival barker and save Netanyahu’s ass.
Deal or no deal, the only 100% clear thing to emerge from this is that Europe is completely, utterly, and irrevocably screwed.

Posted by: IncoherentThoughts | Aug 7 2025 18:20 utc | 85

Seems i am not alone, but Korybko also has a glass half full theory:
https://korybko.substack.com/p/whats-responsible-for-the-upcoming
‘Coming right before the expiry of Trump’s deadline to Putin, some observers believe that the latter is therefore capitulating, but it’s also possible that the “TACO” ‘

Posted by: Rubiconned | Aug 7 2025 18:22 utc | 86

Does not look good to me, I can’t believe that Putin will go for Minsk III, but I can’t think of a rabbit in his hat that will appease the beasts and avoid a new scam. We’ll find out soon.
Posted by: Paco | Aug 7 2025 16:45 utc | 43
Not to mention risking Soleimani II and/or Butler II.or III as the case may be.

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 7 2025 18:22 utc | 87

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 7 2025 16:20 utc | 27
Just a gut feeling… If Vlad is a smart man best to have the meeting in good ole Russia. Traveling into the middle east, yikes.. to much can go wrong.

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Aug 7 2025 18:23 utc | 88

This:
‘The urgency with which the U.S. side requested the summit tells us that the Ukrainian army is near to a breakdown and total defeat.’
doesn’t exactly jibe with this:
‘U.S. support for Ukraine would then resume.
It would not change the inevitable outcome but prolong the war for probably more than a year.’
We continue to be subjected to the same old warmongering song and dance by both sides.
The Zionist-occupied US government has – allegedly – been running low on munitions for years now.
We are to believe that a small break in the action will allow the Israel-occupied US and its partners to suddenly ramp up production in order to allow it to fight for yet another year?
We are told that the US doesn’t make anything of consequence anymore including even armaments for its own security.
In fact, the US is almost wholly dependent upon China – a Russian ally – for most of the rare-earth processing for the stuff that goes into these weapons.
Yet b is saying that the US can still fight with at least enough vigor to last another year at minimum.
Something doesn’t ‘add up’ here at the most basic level of logic. It just doesn’t make any sense.
If the US is in such a precarious position and Russia and China are so far ahead in terms of both technological prowess in weaponry not to mention – and every bit as important – they aren’t low on munitions the way the US supposedly is…and allegedly has been for years now.
If these things be true to any significant degree then doesn’t that ultimately make Russia and China out to be weak-tea dweebs who are for some reason unable to strike the final blow to the evil empire?
It is possible that the US et al have more weapons than is known by even alleged insiders. The greatest trick the devil ever played is making people believe he doesn’t exist. It would be in that vein.
For their part Russia and China obviously love the wars. Their own respective elites and MIC’s make out like bandits.
What a sick world.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Aug 7 2025 18:24 utc | 89

69% of Ukrainians want negotiations as soon as possible to end the war, and only 24% want to continue fighting
– Ask European leaders the same question, and close to 100% would likely want to continue the war to “help” Ukraine

https://t.me/glenndiesen/1081

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 7 2025 18:24 utc | 90

Stages of grief.
Russia is a gas station with nukes.
The Russian economy will collapse under sanctions.
Russia is using washing machine parts to conduct war.
Putin is dying.
Russians will overthrow the Putin government.
Russians are fighting with shovels due to a lack of weapons.
Russia is running out of missiles.
Russia is a threat to NATO and the world.
Putin is dying again.
Russia is utilizing “shadow fleets” (not insured with London’s monopoly)
Russia deploys the next-level Oreshnik weapon which is unmatched in the world.
Trump: Putin is crazy and making me mad
According to Ukrainian officials, Putin has died and the guy we see is an actor <==== YOU ARE HERE Trump: Putin wants to meet with me so we can negotiate peace.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 18:24 utc | 91

By accepting this negotiations V Putin made a huge political mistake.
He still does understand the west or he is forced to negotiate by Russian oligarchs.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2025 18:26 utc | 92

They Call Me Mister | Aug 7 2025 17:19 utc | 63–
Trump is a certified narcissist and is always concerned about his image–his face. To say that the concept of face doesn’t matter within the Outlaw US Empire is to admit knowing very little about its internal workings and why those Imperial faces are in denial of the declining fate of their face and Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 7 2025 18:26 utc | 93

By the way, two other points:
1. People posting “warnings” to Russia to not fall into some nefarious US trap are being naive. Russia has been on the receiving end of duplicitous US policy for decades, and Putin and his administration have far, far better access to information than we do. It is possible (though unlikely) that Russia makes a bad move, but it wouldn’t be out of short-sightedness or an inability to see things as clearly as us random schmucks.
2. Before people start screaming about Minsk I and II, Russia was a relatively weaker state back then and had limited room to maneuver. Agreeing to those treaties was likely the best option available at the time. I think even most orangutans (and even some pro-Ukrainian shills) understand that the fundamental calculus has now completely changed.

Posted by: IncoherentThoughts | Aug 7 2025 18:27 utc | 94

By accepting this negotiations V Putin made a huge political mistake.
He still does understand the west or he is forced to negotiate by Russian oligarchs.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 7 2025 18:26 utc | 93
I agree. And Russia still hasn’t won in the Donbas after almost 3 1/2 years of fighting.

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 7 2025 18:27 utc | 95

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Aug 7 2025 18:24 utc | 90
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Russia and China do not have elites and an American-style MIC.
The system, and thus, the incentives are different.
Russia and China don’t suffer from the Capitalist retardation of the West.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 18:27 utc | 96

Russia still hasn’t won in the Donbas after almost 3 1/2 years of fighting.
Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 7 2025 18:27 utc | 96
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But they have gotten Trump to beg for talks.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 7 2025 18:29 utc | 97

What an interesting development. Perhaps US offered Russia an overly generous deal, just to see if they actually had real intentions to end the conflict. Once they confirmed the Russians were indeed willing to accept they now try to backtrack it by adding unreasonable conditions.

Posted by: Clown Fatigue | Aug 7 2025 18:30 utc | 98

I think of it this way: Putin and Trump might announce a ceasefire if Zelensky retreats from the 4 regions. Korean-style, this border is practical, not legal. Putin and Trump proclaim Ukraine as neutral. Putin warns he will end the ceasefire and bomb if UK/EU get any ideas about bases. Zelensky will refuse and get stuck pushing a worn out army to resist to the last man while Russia is winning and experts realize Ukraine can’t hold on. This sort of stubborn foolishness could collapse the UKR army by itself. Have Trump demand elections and Zelensky may be finished anyway.
The demilitarization is mostly accomplished, de facto. Putin can also encourage emigration from Ukraine for economic reasons and coupled with awful demographics, Ukraine may be mostly finished as a nation.. I think this gamble might be worth taking. Like the Chechens, Ukraine might even end up pro Russian somehow. Why has Budanov of all people, kept saying that the war needs to be over in a few months? Something is wrong…
Language and the Russian church can be paid lip service to or about. I can see Putin get a whole lot back in terms of reserves and business and sanctions. Sadly, he doesn’t get Odessa back but I think that was always a bridge too far. Really bad logistics and heavy casualties, if attempted.
Ok, nobody in the West can be trusted, no argument there. However, Putin has been skilled enough to deal with Chechnia and Erdogan (a total weasel). The West may soon find itself buried in history making economic trouble, not Russia.
Any solution to the Ukraine mess involves risks, as with the end of any war. However, I don’t see any huge risks for Russia – unlike the habitually delusional West. This would be different from past fake Minsk agreements because circumstances in the West and Ukraine have changed. They need this mess gone and Trump knows it. EU leaders may know it too but are lying as a habit.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 7 2025 18:32 utc | 99

xor 84,
Per the US-Constitution and as the only nationally elected official, only the US President makes foreign policy with the exception that if he wants war, he has to ask congress. Now, the congress[es] in Trump’s first term illegally tried to force Trump to continue the Obama wars in Syria & ex-ukrainia but, he could of told them where to stick it and the Supremes would’ve backed Trump because the US Constitution is EXPLICITLY clear on who controls foreign policy.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 7 2025 18:32 utc | 100