Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 28, 2025
They Voted For Brexit To Stop Immigration Only To Get More Of It

What good are democracies when the outcome of elections bring the opposite of what voters wish?

In June 2016 the United Kingdom voted for Brexit:

The 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, commonly referred to as the EU referendum or the Brexit referendum, was a referendum that took place on 23 June 2016 in the United Kingdom (UK) and Gibraltar under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 to ask the electorate whether the country should continue to remain a member of, or leave, the European Union (EU). The result was a vote in favour of leaving the EU, triggering calls to begin the process of the country's withdrawal from the EU commonly termed "Brexit".

A main public issue in the run-up to the vote was immigration:

The Brexit vote will be debated for years to come. But the story is straightforward. Propagated by an unlikely pair of effective messengers, Leave's "Take Back Control" message harnessed the motive power of immigration, an emotionally charged issue that had been baked into British psychology long before the vote was called. These immigration fears, not abstract concerns about a "democratic deficit" that required rescuing UK sovereignty from Brussels bureaucrats, do much to explain why Britain voted for Brexit.

Demagogues like Nigel Farage played a key role in this:

The rise of Nigel Farage and the UK Independence Party (UKIP) also played an important role in cultivating this concern among economically left-behind voters. Between 2013 and 2015 UKIP began to mobilise these voters into politics, convincing them that the issues of immigration and the EU were deeply entwined. At the 2016 referendum the vote for Brexit was strongest in areas that had given UKIP strong support two years previously. Had these voters not been galvanised by UKIP then it is unlikely they would have turned out in the numbers that we saw on June 23rd, 2016. Indeed, we also find that if somebody felt anxious over the immigration issue, and economically left behind, they were significantly more likely to vote in the referendum.

It took three and a half years to finally executed the Brexit move. The results following it though were not what people had expected:



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As the Wall Street Journal writes (archived):

The Tories, despite repeatedly promising lower overall immigration levels, soon lost control of the system they designed, triggering the biggest influx of legal migration the country has ever seen. In just one job field, care aides who look after the infirm or elderly, one government forecast assumed some 6,000 migrants a year would come to work. In the space of four years, 679,900 carers and their families arrived, government figures show.

In total, 4.5 million people arrived in Britain between 2021 and 2024, primarily from India, Nigeria and China. One in every 25 people living in the U.K. today came during that four-year window.

In comparison, the U.S. typically averages about one million new lawful permanent residents, or green card holders, a year—to a country with a total population five times the size of Britain’s.

After Boris Johnson, who had campaigned for Brexit, had become Prime Minister he implemented an industry friendly,  extremely liberal immigration policy. Workers from Europe were shunned but everybody else was welcome:

Employers no longer had to try to hire workers from Britain before recruiting from abroad. To acquire a skilled-worker visa, foreign workers weren’t required to have a college degree, they just had to be offered a job with a minimum salary of £25,600, which at the time was 23% below the full-time U.K. median salary.

There were also carve-outs. Firms could sponsor visas in certain sectors, such as construction, where there was an acute shortage of workers, paying them as little as £20,400 a year. And students could come with their families for a one-year master’s course, and stay on for two years after completing their studies. Net migration from the EU went into reverse, and arrivals from elsewhere surged. In 2021, 93,000 people arrived from India. By 2024, that number was 240,000. The number of Nigerian migrants increased fivefold in the same period.

Many arrived with families in tow. In the 12 months ending March 2024, nearly half of all visas were issued to dependents, not workers.

It is thereby not astonishing to find that Farage is back:

This sudden demographic shift, which has come at a time of economic stagnation and piled pressure on Britain’s stretched public services, is roiling the country’s politics. Immigration is now voters’ top concern. Reform UK, which says it would freeze most migration and deport those who arrive illegally, got the most votes of any party in recent municipal elections. The Tories, having lost power last year to the Labour Party, are now a distant third in the polls.

The 61-year-old Farage, long dismissed in Westminster as influential but unelectable, is now being taken seriously as a possible prime minister, though national elections are unlikely before 2029.

I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.

Comments

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:04 utc | 297
“satoshis’ invention?!”
I really have no interest in this, and I don’t remember ever expressing such. If you want my opinion this is a short term project, which will not survive the cliff that energy supplies are going to fall off within the next 50 or so years.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:13 utc | 301

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2025 19:08 utc | 299
Yeah, all to the good. But the reality is that the Wee Liar has put independence back by a decade. We can only hope that arrogant idiots like ‘Monty’ keep uttering condescending tripe which will annoy everyone in Scotland enough to set the clock forwards again.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:17 utc | 302

301
how much electric energy goes to waste presently?
How does the proof-of-work algorithm work ?
Also, the whole globe is all of sudden going to get together and sing kumbaya and agree on a common, unified digital ledger and transaction system after the western banking system froze $300 billion of Russia?
Would you like to buy my bridge?

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:23 utc | 303

Well, to be fair, some of us who voted for Brexit have no problem with immigrants coming into the UK

Posted by: John Mann | Aug 29 2025 19:27 utc | 304

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:23 utc | 303
Try reading some stuff at:
https://thehonestsorcerer.substack.com
Bridges will ‘soon’ be almost redundant, and no-one will be interested in your bridge. Likewise a “common, unified digital ledger and transaction system” You are a short-term thinker. US citizen?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:29 utc | 305

301 demographic cliff and multiple housing ponzi cliffs are way closer than any energy cliff! (besides the energy cliff issue being tied to muh climate change, which is a way more disturbing issue than a mere ponzi! For certainty, I don’t dispute average temperature rise… only dispute being personally in the crosshairs of “carbon allocated for burial”… this reminds me that satoshis invention is the only credible way to reduce carbon footprint in a voluntary, soft-landing and reasonably fair way.. yet, you won’t hear this from (any?) environmentalist because they are also beholden to the bankster hydra)

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:32 utc | 306

305 ha, when did money debasement start?

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:34 utc | 307

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:34 utc | 307
Goodbye. You are obviously devoid of both seriousness and interest

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:38 utc | 308

308 jam
You ignore multiple questions.. and then judge, “you are devoid of both seriousness and interest”
See ya later

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:46 utc | 309

@Red Star #214
Thank you for underscoring my point.
If you cannot separate the person from the idea, or even the behavior from the talk, then good luck continuing to live in fantasy land where the downtrodden working class rises up.
Note I have never said Farage is a savior or that he will accomplish even what he is now saying – but the reasons for this have nothing to do with his background or size of bank account.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:50 utc | 291

What exactly are you saying ? You seem to be desperate to deny what Farage is – a paid up member of the British Esthablishment. You really think a millionaire ex-stockbroker neo-liberal is some kind of working class hero.
As I, and others, have pointed out, the very fact that he had an account with Coutts marks him for what he is. Whatever their reasons for dropping him, you justr dont get to have an account there in the first place if you’re not one of the gang.

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 29 2025 19:47 utc | 310

As I understand it, the courts ruled that the termination was lawful under the lawful terms and conditions agreement Farage had with Coutts and Co.
At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 233
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Broken record here.
Evidence showed that Coutts closed Farage’s accounts because TPTB within the bank’s administration didn’t like his political positions.
It is easy to move assets among different accounts to maintain minimum balances.
TPTB took a dip in his minimum balance in this account as an opportunity to close the account.
Something must have been wrong with the picture because a high-level fellow at the bank stepped down as a result of the affair.
Bank accounts are closed and banking services denied all the time to punish groups and individuals who espouse unwelcome political views.
I don’t particularly see Farage as a victim, but many people and groups are genuine victims of this kind of action by financial actors.
Witness the difficulty of getting any donations to groups trying to feed people in Gaza.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 19:49 utc | 311

Jams
And why do ask if I am US citizen? You gonna SWAT me with civil asset forfeiture?! Another nice example to highlight the effective anti-totalitarian technology that is satoshis’ invention!

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:51 utc | 312

”1.The Highland Clearances (Scottish Gaelic: Fuadaichean nan Gàidheal [ˈfuət̪ɪçən nəŋ ˈɡɛː.əl̪ˠ], the “eviction of the Gaels”) were the evictions of a significant number of tenants in the Scottish Highlands and Islands, mostly in two phases from 1750 to 1860.
Posted by: canuk | Aug 29 2025 15:05 utc | 237

+++++
Most of the “landlords” enriched by the Enclosure were chiefs of the Highland Clans; yet another case of Scottish nobility screwing their people. They weren’t alone; the Welsh were sold into English slavery by their nobles.
This, BTW, is the same process one sees today as British elites cling desperately to the notion of Remaining in the EU.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 29 2025 19:51 utc | 313

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:51 utc | 312
Obviously reading-comprehension is not one of your strong points either. No more replies from me.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:54 utc | 314

311 Jane
Please pick one or the other:
“It is easy to move assets among different accounts”
“Witness the difficulty of getting any donations to groups trying to feed people in Gaza”
In this brave new digitized world (and ledgers) who has the authority to judge “genuine victims” ?
No, satoshis’ invention is enough for now… permissionless language

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:55 utc | 315

Oooh I’m trembling, no more replies from jams, whatever will I do?!

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:57 utc | 316

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 19:49 utc | 311
As Red Star at 310 indicates, Farage is just another right wing establishment figurehead, and the question of whether or not he was discriminated against by his bank is of very little importance. Criminals (legalised or otherwise) are prone to the occasional falling out and it indicates nothing of any particular note.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:59 utc | 317

My most recent conception of hell is being in a locked room where L and Derek Henry/Echo Chamber/Moon of Alabama (?!) jabber at each other for all eternity.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 29 2025 20:05 utc | 318

Welcome to the echo chamber!
Frozen Russian reserves
Frozen Russian reserves
Frozen Russian reserves
Frozen Russian reserves
Frozen Russian reserves
Frozen Russian reserves…

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 20:06 utc | 319

318 malenkov
Made my laugh

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 20:07 utc | 320

And to nail the point home, if Russias reserves can remain frozen, what chance does a little guy like Farage have without satoshis’ invention?!?

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 20:09 utc | 321

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2025 16:55 utc | 261
Marxist analysis isn’t any ultimate tool, just the best one so far. It will eventually be surpassed, but only by also incorporating parts of it.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 29 2025 20:46 utc | 322

Jams my man you love to the throw odd raspberry, so you would start your indepent Scotland by welshing on your debts that is a real clever way to start. I am sure that will improve your country’s credit rating.
Though even my discourses will not bring indepence with the wee liar’s crooked rule you have no money, no industry, no education system, no ferries , drugs and drug pushers aplenty, wokeness,net zero and the prods looking to Reform you stand no chance of winning a referendum. Cheers

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 20:50 utc | 323

Why would anyone to migrate there? I can live there 6 months every year legally and I have not even been there in 2 years.
As for the Nigerians, 2 gals I met (one of which was in the timeframe mentioned) and HIGHLY skilled (beautiful too ;)).
Also, who knew BJ did anything good? That was a surprise. Certainly more than that idiot Nigel.
Of course voting would change nothing. It’s all cosmetic change with token legacies to appease the fool’s who believe in voting. #BTFSTTG

Posted by: Sal | Aug 29 2025 20:55 utc | 324

Re 323
indepent is the closest Scotland will get to independance !!!!

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 20:59 utc | 325

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 19:49 utc | 311
As Red Star at 310 indicates, Farage is just another right wing establishment figurehead, and the question of whether or not he was discriminated against by his bank is of very little importance. Criminals (legalised or otherwise) are prone to the occasional falling out and it indicates nothing of any particular note.
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:59 utc | 317
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Yeah, I agree that facts are of little importance in connection with certain people. Thanks, Jams, for reminding is of what is important and what is not (is that spelled a-d h-o-m-i-n-e-m or h-o-m-i-n-a-m) !!
(sn/)

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 21:00 utc | 326

So while all these reform voters are here perhaps they’d like to give us a opinion on the israel palastine / Gaza situation, on topic, as an indicator of
mind set, maybe.
listen for the crickits.
I kmow what it is, in 3 words.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:10 utc | 327

311 Jane
Please pick one or the other:
“It is easy to move assets among different accounts”
“Witness the difficulty of getting any donations to groups trying to feed people in Gaza”
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Jane: What is to pick here? And why?
In this brave new digitized world (and ledgers) who has the authority to judge “genuine victims” ?
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Jane: “I don’t find” expresses an opinion and does not claim authority. I didn’t use the phrase “genuine victim.” Don’t put words in my mouth.
. . .
Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:55 utc | 315
. . .
Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:57 utc | 316

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 21:11 utc | 328

Why does fararge want to increase miltary and arms spending including uk arms manufacturing.
The thread was in a deliberate rut. Time to go on the attack. Lets point fingers at reform.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:21 utc | 329

DunGroanin 200 – WTF are you talking about anyway?
So open borders ala Senile Biden is ok? Unlimited illegal immigration is positive? Wow!

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 21:22 utc | 330

Reform are raising children who are violent racist haters, who care for no one.
That is concerning. As it should be.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:25 utc | 331

Tobias cole @ 330
So trying to burn down refugee hotels is poative ?
Wow.
(See what i did there)

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:29 utc | 332

Typo …should be ‘positive’

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:31 utc | 333

Farage is actually Satoshi!
There we go, exclusively revealed on MoA…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 29 2025 21:35 utc | 334

Reform is what you get when your leaders victem blame Russia and the Palastinians. Lyeing for ten years to the british public.
Blame Putin and hamas. Projecting the wests hostile aggression on their victems.
Calling freedom fighters terrorists.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:38 utc | 335

Refugees are the victems not the problem, no one is ilegale.
Reform can fuck right off back to the sewer they crawled out of.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:42 utc | 336

Farage > murdoch > rothchild
Gene oil.
Thats only 2 degrees of seperation.
Farage is a classic wanna be zionist the same as zelensky.
A waist of time, a waist of life and money.
Make peace not war.

Posted by: Markw | Aug 29 2025 21:49 utc | 337

Typo,, mark2 not markw
Good night all be good.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 21:51 utc | 338

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 21:00 utc | 326
Hmmm. Well, you don’t seem to be saying anything to disprove what ‘red star’ at 310 said, but I retract my description – as far as I know Farage hasn’t been convicted of anything – yet. However, the history of Fascism shows a tendency to criminality, and I imagine proto fascists like Farage will get there sometime, especially if put in a position of power.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 22:03 utc | 339

Mark 2 – you have no clue, completely clueless. Farage and Connor are popular for very good reasons, because they are actually listening to the middle class who are outraged over the mass wave of illegal aliens being deliberately injected into Irish and British society.
So its ok for the Irish FF/FG government to completely over whelm place like Westport and Tipperary with thousands of Ukronazi draft dodgers without any County Council approval.
If you think this is ok then you need to get off your duff and speak with Irish citizens impacted by the EU insanity……..
Deport them all let God sort them out…….draft dodgers need to be home serving their Ukronazi masters……

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 22:03 utc | 340

Allthough the vote was for ‘Brexit’ it wasn’t predominated by concerns about ‘migration’ as b suggests. There were many other concerns regarding over reach of the EU into our lives. In any event ‘Brexit’ never really happend, as the elite were against it as de Piffle (Boris to those who do not know his background) was a 5th columnist. To get an insight to what happened with a twist of humour I would recommend watching this 11min vid. Funny in my book and it resulted in Alistair being cancelled by you may well guess. Enjoy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edGFTEbZCHQ

Posted by: Butties | Aug 29 2025 22:05 utc | 341

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 22:03 utc | 340
Yeah. The Fascism is going beyond ‘proto’ here.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 22:07 utc | 342

Reform’s rise is only a reflection of the governing classes inability to solve problems faced by normal people in the UK especially England and Wales. Objecting to 10-20 million immigrants (some white but mainly black) being dumped next to you over tne last 25 years is perfectly naturaly. When combined with a deteriorating economic and social country. Those that deny it and shout racist are no longer listen to and like Labour and Tory will disappear. If Reform was not around, it would be Tommy Robinson or Britain First who would take up the mantle. How about that?

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 22:08 utc | 343

Sir Keir and Rishi and Michael Martin and Simon Harris are all cut from the same cloth – globalist functionaires, who could care less about the citizenry. Social fascists par excellence……..

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 22:12 utc | 344

Tobias @ 340
Your doing it again…
Puting words into others mouths to reinforce your delusional thinking.
The difference is i blame the elite for the refugee situation.
Whilst you and your kind blame the victem.
Getit ?
Good night yet again.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 22:13 utc | 345

Ireland is in a worse state, with a smaller population the effects are dangerous. They also have guns so the reaction may be lethal. Just calling some fascist might give some give you a warm feeling but doesn’t solve the problem. The immigrants are not blameless, what did they expect – a tea party.
With our deep state carrying on with its agenda of mixing populations we can expect harsher reaction.

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 22:33 utc | 346

Monty @ 346
A million Irish imigrated from Ireland during the potato famine was that their fault ? Should amrica have sent them back.
Wants wrong with you man ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 22:41 utc | 347

Marxist analysis isn’t any ultimate tool, just the best one so far. It will eventually be surpassed, but only by also incorporating parts of it.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 29 2025 20:46 utc | 322
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My concern, such as it is, is that I hear people talk about Marxian analysis with reverence.
Its utility is time period and culture specific, and with the sun setting on the West, it may not be the most productive tool in the future.
I also think that about anti-colonialism. By the time I finish writing a book I am working on, colonialism may not be a “thing”.
I’m not writing for profit or fame. I don’t want to produce an owner’s manual for a discontinued “product”, rendering my work anachronistic when it would be published. I have zero interest in being a historian or hagiographer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2025 22:42 utc | 348

Sakineh Bagoom | Aug 28 2025 16:31 utc | 41
*** Tell me, how are the candidates chosen in the said democracies? We know that in the U.S. it’s AIPAC allegiance that drives the show. Much of Europe is captured by the same horde.
You just can’t throw out the members of the uni-party. They are replaced by another uni-party member.***
Exactly.
And the cartel of (Establishment) mass-media’s manipulation of sufficient of the public’s perceptions, combined with very big Establishment-supporting money, makes extra sure that nothing can genuinely change.
There is frequently a claim that some sort of proportional voting would cure the problem.
It would not.
Look at continental Europe … or even Scotland. Different vopting systems only solved the Establishment’s presentational problem. General Elections are still as rigged — arguably even more so? — than before; the Establishment will always win.
It is NOT the voting system itself, but the mass-media coverage and the big money which directs where most of the votes go, even if the actual vote-counting and declared figures are “clean”.
And a reform of that is not something you will not find the Establishment franchisee Parties advocating.
Even paying political Parties, as is sometimes suggested, would actually rig elections hugely in favour of those already in power and on the gravy-train.
Incidentally, there is one thing b omits to mentikon … the UK public were lied to in the 1970s about joining the Common Market and subsequent developments leading to the present EU.
“No loss of sovereignty!” being a main lie … as was the denial of the Political Establishment’s ever even having the intent for Europe-wide progression into a Euroreich as per EU-Constitution / Lisbon Treaty.
But in some ways that made little difference. NATO “convergence” was always the real game. Whether in or out of the CM/EEC/EC or EU. Which means subservience to the US-empire and demands of transnational-corporate capitalism.
So the ‘Straussian’ nature of the Political Establishment (national and international) and its inherent corruption are key factors. In the UK, parliament is basically a feather-bed within which the mostly jobsworth politicains can spout, trough and rubber-stamp … Whitehall and the City of London are the UK’s real — and entirely unaccountable — controllers.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 29 2025 22:45 utc | 349

At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 233
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Broken record here.
Evidence showed that Coutts closed Farage’s accounts because TPTB within the bank’s administration didn’t like his political positions.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 19:49 utc | 311
I have never disagreed with anything you have said. How can anyone disagree? The meaning of the words you use is so watered down they don’t mean much of anything. You can’t argue against someone saying nothing.
What exactly do you think counts as a bank? Is a hedge fund a bank? How about your insurance company.
The word bank has been intentionally destroyed to the point where it means nothing at all.
As far as I can see, Coutts and Co. is not a bank its a hedge fund. It takes peoples money and invests it and pays them a return on those investments. A bank like you and I use is different a different animal; the legal definition for such a bank is “depository institution”. I call that a real bank A “real bank” provides checking , saving and other services and will loan you money if you qualify. Interest is paid on deposits, Coutts and Co. does not fit that definition.
I said “At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.”
You have never even come close to saying anything that refutes that claim.
You write:

Bank accounts are closed and banking services denied all the time to punish groups and individuals who espouse unwelcome political views.

I was born in Missouri so “Show me”. I know for certain my bank can’t do that because regulations implemented long ago won’t allow it. But if you are talking about a hedge fund, well sure they can dump you just because they think your an asshole or for any other reason. And as far as I’m concerned, who cares if a hedge fund dumps a customer?

Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 22:55 utc | 350

Vragtes | Aug 28 2025 18:01 utc | 57
*** All the UK political leaders apart from Corbin’s new party are quite happy with importing a working class, despite their duplicitous statements.***
Corbyn the Zionist would not even reduce immigration.
George Galloway and his Workers Party might, though.
But they don’t tend to get mass-media coverage … wonder why …

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 29 2025 23:07 utc | 351

Worried about immigrants taking your jobs?

One of the special features of imperialism connected with the facts I am describing, is the decline in emigration from imperialist countries and the increase in immigration into these countries from the more backward countries where lower wages are paid. In France, the workers employed in the mining industry are, “in great part,” foreigners: Poles, Italians and Spaniards.[11] In the United States, immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe are engaged in the most poorly paid jobs, while American workers provide the highest percentage of overseers or of the better-paid workers.[12]

Worried about de-industrialization and offshoring?

…all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa.
…great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy.

Do you fear the Chinese Negro overtaking you?

While the “merit” of imperialism is that it “trains the Negro to habits of industry” (you cannot manage without coercion … ), the “danger” of imperialism lies in that “Europe will shift the burden of physical toil—first agricultural and mining, then the rougher work in industry—on to the coloured races, and itself be content with the role of rentier, and in this way, perhaps, pave the way for the economic, and later, the political emancipation of the coloured races.”

Over 100 years ago, a man accurately described all these symptoms of the illness: capitalism. His prescribed cure was a communist revolution.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch08.htm

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 29 2025 23:13 utc | 352

Cynic, great reminder about Lisbon treaty… zooms the issues out beyond the latest focus on immigration… je me souviens when E.U. countries were “asking” their so-called citizens a second time because they gave them the “wrong” answer the first time (rejecting Lisbon treaty!)

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 23:49 utc | 353

Hmmm. Well, you don’t seem to be saying anything to disprove what ‘red star’ at 310 said, . . .
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 22:03 utc | 339
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I don’t have any obligation to disprove anything, or respond to a particular comment, esp. when it is unrelated to what I actually wrote.
I guess you do not understand the term “ad hominem” so you do not understand how it applies to what you wrote.
BTW, demands to “disprove” some statement or other are typical troll fare.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 0:12 utc | 354

When are the draft age Ukronazi slackers going to be sent packing from Ireland?

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 30 2025 0:25 utc | 355

I was born in Missouri so “Show me”. I know for certain my bank can’t do that because regulations implemented long ago won’t allow it. But if you are talking about a hedge fund, well sure they can dump you just because they think your an asshole or for any other reason. And as far as I’m concerned, who cares if a hedge fund dumps a customer?
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 22:55 utc | 350
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You highlight the difference between investment and retail banks.
However, in the recent past, the definitions of different types of financial institutions, and the fire wall that existed between them since the passage of the Glass-Steagall act in the thirties, have been removed. Which was one of the causes of the 2008 crisis. The destruction of this fire wall was one of Larry Summers’s goals when he was I think financial advisor to Bill Clinton. Remember that? The takedown of Glass-Steagall [sp?] by Summers and Phil Gramm? As for “Show me,” I was born in Massachusetts, so “Don’t Tread on Me!” ((:-))
It is no different in Missouri.
Per Google’s AI:

“In Missouri, retail and investment banking activities are not required to be conducted by separate companies
. The legal separation between the two was repealed at the federal level in 1999, allowing the same financial institution to operate both types of divisions.
This means you will find banks in Missouri that offer a full suite of services, from retail accounts for individual consumers to high-level investment banking services for large corporations.

In the USA, investment banks and brokerage houses and very likely hedge funds now are allowed to offer “retail” banking services such as checking accounts.
However, none of this bank trivia is relevant to my point.
On the Farage topic, my point was and is limited to this:
His account was closed because of his political positions.
End of story.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 0:35 utc | 356

In the USA, investment banks and brokerage houses and very likely hedge funds now are allowed to offer “retail” banking services such as checking accounts.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 0:35 utc | 356
No they are not. Investment firms are allowed to own depository institutions via bankholding companies. Bankholding companies were created by Congress in the 1950s and investment firms have been owning depository institutions since that time.
At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money or have checking account in a depository institution.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 2:38 utc | 357

It’s bad when Coutts closed Farage’s account on threadbare pretexts, but at least he got his money back and could deposit or invest it elsewhere. But compare that to what happened to the journalist Alina Lipp: her accounts were frozen, making her money inaccessible indefinitely; nor can she open new accounts.
Perspective, folks.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 30 2025 3:04 utc | 358

In the USA, investment banks and brokerage houses and very likely hedge funds now are allowed to offer “retail” banking services such as checking accounts.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 0:35 utc | 356
No they are not. . . .
At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money or have checking account in a depository institution.
Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 2:38 utc | 357
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Hey, BR, Farage’s ability to deposit money somewhere is not the point.
As I explained.
What is wrong with you?
Now,
YES, THEY ARE.
Your comment about banks in Missouri shows that you didn’t know this, but you are a Have-To-Be-Right type and are fastening on technicalities to make yourself right.

Yes, investment banks and brokerage houses in the USA are allowed to offer “retail” banking services, including checking accounts
. This is a result of deregulation in the financial industry that began with the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999.
How investment and brokerage firms offer banking services
The repeal of Glass-Steagall: For decades, the Glass-Steagall Act separated commercial banking (e.g., taking deposits) from investment banking (e.g., securities underwriting and dealing). The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 dismantled these barriers, allowing banks, securities firms, and insurance companies to affiliate with one another under a single parent entity, such as a financial holding company.
Financial holding companies (FHCs): Major financial institutions operate as FHCs, which enables them to offer a wide range of services. Large organizations like JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America function as holding companies with multiple subsidiaries, including both an investment bank and an FDIC-insured retail bank.
Brokerage cash management accounts: Many brokerage houses offer checking accounts through a cash management account (CMA). For the customer, a CMA functions like a traditional checking account, with a debit card, checks, and bill pay services.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 4:03 utc | 359

This could be “fake news”. Apparently, Turkey is undergoing silent mobilization of reservists. Ukraine, Syria or Iran if true?

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 30 2025 4:39 utc | 360

Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 0:35 utc | 356
> His account was closed because of his political positions.
> End of story.
If I understand properly, having account at that hedge fund is not a right but a privilege.
The house withdrew that privilege by canceling his account.
The reasons why they did it are interesting. Nevertheless, if they have the right of admission, that’s it, end of story. They did it because they could.
I once witnessed a guy being kicked out from a bar because he was a bit too flirty towards the waitress. How is that different from the Nigel’s case? In both cases you have a house that wants, and it has right, to disassociate itself from a problematic and embarrassing individual.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 30 2025 4:54 utc | 361

@Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 22:08 utc | 343
Things are going just as planned for the UK oligarchy, a decade of Austerity for the many and goodies for the rich, then followed by a fake Labour PM who is continuing with the same, then Farage fascism as the exploitation really ramps up. The fly in the ointment of Corbyn was destroyed with all the little helpers in the Labour Party, now to destroy Corbyns/Sultanas new party.
Farages happen when the socialist alternative is removed/not allowed as an option, or directly crushed by the ruling class. The increasing energy for real change is funnelled into a “populist” authoritarianism – Farage, AfD, National Rally, Meloni – that will continue to serve the ruling class.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 30 2025 5:51 utc | 362

Brexit was 64 million things for 64 million voters. Possibly the most accurate recording of this phenomenon is Blimey, it’s Brexit by Anthony Barnett. It won’t really be researched though as it would highlight many failings.
I was tempted to punch Dave “I am the heir to Blair” Cameron or simply follow the stupid question, stupid answer retorts. But I studied instead. The EU was created by a nazi document. And NATO was first ran by a former Wehrmacht officer.
Sam, does this sound like the British plan? Keep the Germans down by using them? That slogan is typical English behaviour. Blag. You think he’s the boss, he gets the ego boost but reality is ignored.
Dun Gronin. Any chance of some evidence for postal shenanigans with Brexit. I’m well aware of the indy ref irregularities. Many police reports etc. Didn’t see that for Brexit.
To finish, Farage works for the same team as Tommy Robinson. And just like in wrestling, he has to take the pain for the sake of realism

Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Aug 30 2025 7:23 utc | 363

Gibraltar is a small city on the Mediterranean, part of the United Kingdom, with Charles III as king. Browsing the “Gibraltar Immigration, Asylum and Refugee Act 2009” (gov.gi), one notes various mentions of “No appeal in court”. Here’s a summary:

All residency applications under the Gibraltar Immigration, Asylum, and Refugee Act require applicants to qualify as a “qualified person.” The practical implications of this Act are that you may only take up residency in Gibraltar if you are a:
– UK Pensioner
– Self Sufficient on an Employed or Self-Employed basis
– Category 2 Individual (estimated total net worth in excess of £2 million)
– High Executive Possessing Specialist Skills (HEPSS)

NGO ships registered in Gibraltar are stripped of the flag; arriving in small boat on the beach gets you prison, not hotel, as does attempting to assist illegal immigration (police.gi)

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 30 2025 8:31 utc | 364

Human rights anybody ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2025 8:54 utc | 365

Jams O’Donnell (302).
Sadly there are no independence parties at Holyrood anymore – even the SNP has been captured by Westminster, they are a colonial administration, paid or blackmailed to maintain the status quo -the likes of the Tories, Labour and the Lib/Dem parties at Holyrood are branch office’s of their London HQ’s – none are registered with the Electoral Commission as Scottish parties, they are in essence Fifth Column parties.
What’s required is what the Sri Lankans did a couple of years back, they stormed their parliament sick of corruption and deceit.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 30 2025 9:59 utc | 366

Human rights anybody ?
Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2025 8:54 utc | 365
human rights mean you have the right to marry, not that I should provide you a wife.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 30 2025 10:13 utc | 367

Passerby @ 367
Stupid boy.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2025 11:16 utc | 368

On the potato famine, it is always painted as a English genocide rather than an ecological disaster, but if look at the actions of the English in the years after it was a pretty poor genocide.
Irish peasants were given land,the population flourished large families 10 or more was common such that the surplus population was found all over world, US canada NZ Aus and UK and did they not prosper all having large families and doing well. A one sided view of history is always favoured by English haters

Posted by: Monty | Aug 30 2025 11:38 utc | 369

Monty @ 369
Your partly right, and thats the point.
Thank you.
Genicide dosent work so why do it ?
Thank you.
Someone should tell the western nations who are partisipating in genicide right now in..Gaza, in ukrane and many ovef countrys and dont forget the economic genicide too many countys to mention.
Thank you
Leading to refugees and economic migrants.
Karmer.
You broke it (the world) you fix it.
You made my point for me,thank you.
Bottem line stop winging about the cost of supporting (by any definition) migrants or refugees, look in the mirror and own them. Ther yours.
Stop war and economic exploitation, for your own personal greed and glutony

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 30 2025 12:02 utc | 370

The Blob uses unfettered immigration to have the plebs fighting with each other, a common tactic over millenia. Those resisting appropriate fetters help the Blob with their shrill shrieking of racism, human rights, nazism and all the rest.
The Blob easily slips into their desired role as interlocutor. Guess which way they tilt? Right.

Posted by: seer | Aug 30 2025 12:25 utc | 371

“On the potato famine, it is always painted as a English genocide rather than an ecological disaster…”
This is why I despise sLimeys.
Why, Mr. sLimey “humanitarian”, were the Irish so dependent upon potatoes? I’ll bet a piece of shit like you thinks it was because those stupid Irish just loved potatoes so much that they wouldn’t develop a more varied diet, right?
Scumbags like you claim that pushing drugs in China was a humanitarian service to the Chinese. What filthy, despicable, lowlife shit you sLimeys are.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 30 2025 13:09 utc | 372

Large organizations like JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America function as holding companies with multiple subsidiaries, including both an investment bank and an FDIC-insured retail bank.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 4:03 utc | 359
That statement above demonstrates there was no repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act in 1999. The Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 is what created Federal deposit insurance. FDIC is still alive and kicking.
So now you’re calling a real bank a retail bank. The current US statutes calls it a depository institution and I believe that is what they are called in the UK. Regardless of what you call it or who owns it a depository institution is a self-contained entity that is chartered by the govt and subject to laws that are unique to depository institutions.
You have yet to provide any evidence Farage was ever denied his right to deposit money or have checking account in a depository institution.
I have not seen anyone actually describe what happened to Farage but knowing how these things work this is what likely happened:
One day Coutts and Co. liquidated Farage’s entire investment portfolio and the total sum of that sell off of investments was deposited in Mr Farage’s checking account in the affiliated depository institution that is associated with Farage’s Coutts account. Then Coutts and Co. informed Farage his wealth management account was closed and that the money was sitting in his bank account and he can do whatever he wants with it. He can write checks or let it sit and collect little or no interest or he can transfer it wherever he wants.
You have provided no evidence anyone was denied retail banking services for their political views.
All you have been doing is a poor attempt to conflate the operations of a real bank with the operations of a wealth management firm. You are not the first to try to do this. Even your AI quotes make feeble attempts at this conflation. There are good reasons why the two are completely separate in the eyes of the law.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 13:14 utc | 373

@ Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 21:22 utc | 330.
“ DunGroanin 200 – WTF are you talking about anyway? “
We have a brave taker finally! Did you pick the short straw? Or is your sock ready for the bin of stink?
Ok let’s start slow and build up to the jolly rogering – you knob head.
Next I refer you to my later comment @ Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 29 2025 13:20 utc | 226
“ Any more questions? “.
No response to that? Hmmm??
Do you have any? Beside from strawman bs about ‘Biden open borders and illegal migration’. Neither of which I advocated any time anywhere.
That is trolling – you pathetic little plonker.
Now have a stomp.
GFY.
You and the English and Jewish Defence League rabble rousers that try and walk into our hoods (and this bar) attempting their worn out stinky holed old toerags jingoism.
In reality they run like rabbits, back to the only council estates in garrison towns that were allowed to remain – when they see our multiethnic British solidarity.
They are born and raised dumb, the reservoir dogs of forever imperilism ‘to do and die and not ask why’. Led by fake ‘Tommys’ – ziofascists Yaxley-Lenin and Fartrage.
The muppet ‘patriots’.
Now with added ‘Oirish’ cage fighter street thug.
An attempt to pull Eire back into the ZioFascist Crowns orbit.
– ‘No Surrender’ innit!
The dumb gammons blood and guts is on shit for brains like you and your fellow ZioFascist narrative pushing stinking socks in the media.
Have a Double GFY – with a PeterAU ringing endorsement in your eyeball.
Any more questions? Form an orderly queue troll c***s – let’s be binning you.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 30 2025 13:18 utc | 374

Folks – barflies! Lend me your eyes.
Regarding my comment to the shitstirrer, above.
Look 👀 at the step up in ziofascist troll bot socks that have snuck into this bar.
This is obviously a coordinated ii/77/HasbaRat neo-Narrative set lose by the PR supremos as their world sinks like the ‘unsinkableTitanic ‘.
The troll bot armies have been sent out to rearrange deckchairs, put up some jingoistic white flag with red cross bunting and go down with the ship.
Meanwhile their shapeshifter masters make an escape to the unstoppable multipolar – which takes its throne in Beijing next week.
The SCO comprehensive strategic security muscle meets immediately after the celebrating the 80th Anniversary of the Ziofascists defeat to take EurAsia then. No western ‘allies’ there but Britains only sailing aircraft carrier in Japan!
There’s many a changai and River Kwai rail line building Slave pows spinning in their graves and their families should be screaming murderer ar our State and King – Charles The Turd – who as the PoW one of the useless, pointless, carriers was named after!
Ziofacsists – old style Nazis, new style Zionists – can go fuck themselves.
They don’t get a free ride and a peaceful beer spreading their poison in this here bar.
¡No Pasaran!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 30 2025 13:34 utc | 375

It’s bad when Coutts closed Farage’s account on threadbare pretexts, but at least he got his money back and could deposit or invest it elsewhere. But compare that to what happened to the journalist Alina Lipp: her accounts were frozen, making her money inaccessible indefinitely; nor can she open new accounts.
Perspective, folks.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 30 2025 3:04 utc | 358
Yes absolutely. Germany has no freedom of speech. The govt has a warrant for her arrest and the seizure of her bank account is under the theory that the money is the proceeds from her criminal activity of reporting on what is going on in Ukraine.
Asset forfeiture is one of the main tools of the police state even in the US.
Even under Trump we saw him seizing Venezuela assets for the crime of locating their country on top of US oil.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 13:57 utc | 376

You have provided no evidence anyone was denied retail banking services for their political views.
. . .
Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 13:14 utc | 373
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Repeat: That is not the point.
Tiresome.
The continued existence of the FDIC proves nothing, as it is also well understood that the barriers between retail and other banking functions that were dismantled by G-S led directly to the financial crisis of 2008. You are naive, thinking that the idea that a holding company means nothing has changed.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 17:13 utc | 377

@Red Star #210
I am saying that your inability to distinguish between ideas/platform and the person espousing the same is foolish.
I have repeatedly said that there are many instances of “Establishment” figures, as you define it, who go against the “Establishment”.
All you are engaging in is ad hominem.
The questionability of whether Farage would enact positive change has nothing to do with his background.
It has to do with his demonstrated unwillingness, in the past, to go about executing on his platform.
Brexit is a great example: he talked about it a lot but he did not actually get into the weeds/grind the sausage to make it happen – which is how the Brexit agenda was hijacked and watered down out of existence by first Boris Johnson, then the Tory party in general.
Note Farage never changed his stance or did anything against his original Brexit view – he just did not fight hard to see that it actually happened.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 30 2025 17:37 utc | 378

@jinn #350
You said

I was born in Missouri so “Show me”. I know for certain my bank can’t do that because regulations implemented long ago won’t allow it. But if you are talking about a hedge fund, well sure they can dump you just because they think your an asshole or for any other reason. And as far as I’m concerned, who cares if a hedge fund dumps a customer?

Provide a link to these regulations you say you know exist.
Then provide some evidence that these regulations have actually been enforced.
Because in reality, you are full of shit as usual.
Banks in the US can close accounts for a wide variety of reasons ranging from inactivity to suspicious activity to “policy violations”. The latter is based on terms of service – which few people read and which provide wide scope of possible infringements – from which accounts can be closed.
That is the reality of what a bank can do, not the bullshit non-reality based theory that you constantly base your views on.
The question has never been whether a bank can close your account – they can.
The question is: why was the closure initiated?
And depending on the answer, that’s where a customer can potentially fight back.
The lawsuits over the Canadian trucker debankings are still ongoing, to give an idea of just how difficult this is in reality.
And I refer to actual debankings, not the crypto or crowfund platform shenanigans. Those aren’t banks and so anyone using those are completely unprotected in any way under even theory.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 30 2025 17:48 utc | 379

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 30 2025 17:37 utc | 378
You just confirmed b’s assertion that Nigel Farage is a demagogue. Well explained.
And btw separating ideas from a person espousing them is not always good, because a person could be a liar and a hypocrite and a cynical manipulator not worthy our trust. Which lots of so called ‘influencers’ are just that. Saying don’t eat beef, save the planet while gorging on steak and lobster.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 30 2025 18:04 utc | 380

@hopehely
I don’t think you actually understand what demagogue means.
Farage has historically neither been interested in taking power or been interested in implementing what he espouses.
This is nothing to do with demagoguery – demagogues say things precisely to get into power.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 30 2025 19:40 utc | 381

The continued existence of the FDIC proves nothing, as it is also well understood that the barriers between retail and other banking functions that were dismantled by G-S led directly to the financial crisis of 2008.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 30 2025 17:13 utc | 377
Barriers between retail and other banking functions or any lack of barriers had nothing to do with the financial crisis of 2008. The huge housing price bubble and subsequent collapse was entirely driven by funding from private investors.
The story that the banks made so many bad loans and thus they became insolvent and then Obama bailed them out is pure propaganda from Wall Street and other apologists for Capitalism trying to divert attention from a colossal failure of private markets.
The truth is that almost all banks were making good loans to people who had good jobs to buy houses they could afford. The handful of banks that made bad loans (like Washington Mutual) were not bailed out. They were put down immediately by the FDIC. The owners of those banks lost everything. The depositors lost not a penny.
It is true that many trillions of dollars in bad mortgages were made in the run up to 2008. But those mortgages were not funded by banks. The main source of the funding can be seen on this graph:
https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-DW279_RMBS_G_20140728130506.jpg
That’s a lot of money pumped into a mortgage market that grew in size from $3Tn to $11Tn from 1998-2008. House prices became inflated by 200%-500% more than they would have without the $6Tn in mortgages that no banker in their right mind would ever touch.
In the decade before the crash Private investors funded $5 trillion in loans via private label mortgage backed securities. Another $1Tn was funded by 100’s of private mortgage companies. The private mortgage companies originated the mortgages and sold most of them to the private label mortgage securities market. Deposit Institution’s share of mortgage lending dropped dramatically. And none of the non-bank lenders were bailed out after the crash. The whole scam just crashed and burned and was wiped out, which in part is why the liars can get away with blaming the banks because there is very little left of the actual culprits to point a finger at.
The typical private-investor-funded home mortgage was given to borrowers who were not required to document any income or assets or put any money down. And because the borrowers could not make payments, more money was loaned each month to keep the payment schedule current. Often the borrower paid nothing on the principal and only a small fraction of the interest due. Millions of borrowers lined up for those loans because it cost them little or nothing to buy houses far beyond their means.
Most of these loans were designed to flip houses that were fraudulently appraised at inflated prices. The terms of the loans gave the borrower between 1-2 years to sell the house (or refinance to a bigger loan). As long as house prices were sky rocketing upward the sale (or refinance) of the house paid off the previous loan with another bigger loan. Lots of money was made flipping houses until house prices could no longer be goosed upward and then the whole house of cards collapsed.
Honest well run depository institutions were of course enormously damaged by the housing crash. The collateral for their sound loans had dropped in value by 30%-50% and 8 million credit worthy customers lost their jobs in the crash and could not find new jobs which of course dramatically reduced deposits and loan payments to legitimate banks who had done nothing to cause the calamity. The same thing (only worse) would have happened in 2020 when 25 million lost their jobs. In 2020 households were bailed out by giving 1000s of dollars in free money and paid unemployment at rates that often meant the unemployed were making more money than when they has been working. Without the enormous bailout to bank borrowers in 2020 a housing crash much greater than the 2008 crash would have occurred.
If the same sort of effort had been made in 2008 the laid off workers would have been quickly back to work and the banks and many other businesses would not have been impaired. Instead the US went into a 10 year economic slump simply because what led to the 2008 financial crises was NOT well understood.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 30 2025 21:51 utc | 382

167 Steven t Johnson — . “No wonder Biden was so eager to wind them up (even if half of the money in Payroll Protection ended up going to businesses!)”
Please tell me, what is the antecedent for ‘them,’ in this sentence? That accomodation to the (maybe slow) reader may save one from having to read and reread and still come away with a blank

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 30 2025 22:51 utc | 383

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 30 2025 22:51 utc | 383 My apologies, I am not a very good writer. Part of “them” was the Payroll Protection Program, another part was the checks directly paid to individuals, so-called stimulus checks, from the CARES and American Recovery Plan. Biden as I said was eager to declare the emergency over and terminate the programs. It was I think the programs—which were apparently largely attributed to Trump personally?_–termination too soon that was largely responsible for the perception that the economy got worse under Biden. (The relatively large rise in income for lower wage workers doesn’t count for much because socially low wage workers are valued, I think.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 30 2025 23:44 utc | 384

The way you have indented this post, (following the words, ‘Posted by All Under Heaven’), make it appear as if Heaven said it, when it is Deng’s words ( which also could have been yours as no quotation marks used). Then, much time spent wondering if All Under would have said, “The PRC doesn’t devote many resources to helping other countries behind it, not even socialist ones like Cuba or Venezuela. And it is fairly hostile to DPR Korea and Vietnam,” because of the confusion about whether these were yours or All Under’s words due to use of indent. Although I agree with this statement, I suspect All Under would not or would discount it.”
More steven t johnson words follow: “But let’s concede for a moment that PRC has not socialist imperative to help other socialist countries to fight imperialism. The oft-stated goal is for multipolarity and win-win relations. It is for fair trade and proper respect.” Probably Under Heaven would agree here.
Then, this: “The PRC claims it is not even interested in conquering the US and exacting reparations from its people, unlike you.” So it is revealed assuredly these words are yours, but it took reading to this point to confirm that they are, because of format. I would appreciate if you would keep readers in mind, communication of these ideas being important, (and I follow yours and Heaven’s and Boyd’s posts closely to learn from them — I think you and Heaven have reason in your assessment of Boyd’s position here — I remember speaking in past using rather dated? word, ‘adventurism,’ whereas more modern? ‘accelerationism’ is more precise). If you would use adequate punctuation (like quote marks) and standard formats which use indents for long quotes by others than yourself. — at lease use separation and quote marks of Deng’s and your words. Mainly to have avoided confusion of your words with All Under’s.
“The complete stranglehold that fascism has over American politics and the complete absence of leftists in America means that starting a war with China is inevitable despite Victor Gao insisting that peace between America and China is inevitable” (All Under Heaven, MOA Aug. 3, OT 2025-173).
That China will demand reparations from US, future allowing, you say is according to All Under Heaven, is a new one on me.

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 31 2025 1:09 utc | 385

384 Steven t Johnson. Just saw this helpful explanation. Thank you

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 31 2025 1:20 utc | 386

The best thing for many people to do imo is to replace the original word rather than using the replacement pronoun whenever a question might arise of what the pronoun refers to. It seems repetitious, but repetition can even be helpful for readers’ understanding.

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 31 2025 1:30 utc | 387

Cheap labor and bodies are required to drive up asset prices. Great for the baby boomers with capital, everyone else including their children can get F’ed over. Immigration is a symptom, not the root cause. 🥲

Posted by: Dingleberry | Aug 31 2025 6:02 utc | 388

La Vieja 385. Not much audience for this post probably but need to set the record straight anyway which is I can’t find the stj post # mine above is referencing.
So, would delete the above 385 if possible, having found later the imo clarifying post I would most recommend for leftists (and anyone) to read, which is not on this thread, but on Aug. 27 OT 194. The post is #241. This post by steven t johnson critiques some imo peculiar assertions — especially about China and it’s relations with specific countries, including the US — made by All Under Heaven, post #171. Also, johnson post 241 considers what is real Marxist thought? Can’t say MHO will successfully advertise, but there are some answers here.

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 31 2025 8:19 utc | 389

@ Posted by: Some Random Passerby | Aug 30 2025 7:23 utc | 363
“Dun Gronin. Any chance of some evidence for postal shenanigans with Brexit. I’m well aware of the indy ref irregularities. Many police reports etc. Didn’t see that for Brexit.”
Sorry just came across this. It’s difficult enough without being addressed directly in the opening sentence.
SRP – you want evidence of a conspiracy at deepstate level!
You’re kidding right?
When has evidence of criminal conspiracy actually been allowed to emerge in the public eye?
– JFK/MLK/RFK/Epstein .. to name a handful of recent baiting failures.
– With our Crown – shoot to kill / undeclared military ops / assassinations of African leaders / coups.
– with Zionist fascism and Nazism- the dynastic oligarchs direct involvement going back centuries.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 31 2025 10:32 utc | 390

Every European government fighting immigration is doomed to have more immigrant each year. Because they work and are needed there, and the more hostile you are the more unlikely they are to stay. So you need to attract more immigrant to replace the migrants you lost.

Posted by: Phocion | Sep 1 2025 1:09 utc | 391

This is the result of a ageing population. There are A LOT OF other countries who are in the same situation.

Posted by: WMG | Sep 2 2025 14:12 utc | 392