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August 28, 2025
They Voted For Brexit To Stop Immigration Only To Get More Of It

What good are democracies when the outcome of elections bring the opposite of what voters wish?

In June 2016 the United Kingdom voted for Brexit:

The 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, commonly referred to as the EU referendum or the Brexit referendum, was a referendum that took place on 23 June 2016 in the United Kingdom (UK) and Gibraltar under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 to ask the electorate whether the country should continue to remain a member of, or leave, the European Union (EU). The result was a vote in favour of leaving the EU, triggering calls to begin the process of the country's withdrawal from the EU commonly termed "Brexit".

A main public issue in the run-up to the vote was immigration:

The Brexit vote will be debated for years to come. But the story is straightforward. Propagated by an unlikely pair of effective messengers, Leave's "Take Back Control" message harnessed the motive power of immigration, an emotionally charged issue that had been baked into British psychology long before the vote was called. These immigration fears, not abstract concerns about a "democratic deficit" that required rescuing UK sovereignty from Brussels bureaucrats, do much to explain why Britain voted for Brexit.

Demagogues like Nigel Farage played a key role in this:

The rise of Nigel Farage and the UK Independence Party (UKIP) also played an important role in cultivating this concern among economically left-behind voters. Between 2013 and 2015 UKIP began to mobilise these voters into politics, convincing them that the issues of immigration and the EU were deeply entwined. At the 2016 referendum the vote for Brexit was strongest in areas that had given UKIP strong support two years previously. Had these voters not been galvanised by UKIP then it is unlikely they would have turned out in the numbers that we saw on June 23rd, 2016. Indeed, we also find that if somebody felt anxious over the immigration issue, and economically left behind, they were significantly more likely to vote in the referendum.

It took three and a half years to finally executed the Brexit move. The results following it though were not what people had expected:



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As the Wall Street Journal writes (archived):

The Tories, despite repeatedly promising lower overall immigration levels, soon lost control of the system they designed, triggering the biggest influx of legal migration the country has ever seen. In just one job field, care aides who look after the infirm or elderly, one government forecast assumed some 6,000 migrants a year would come to work. In the space of four years, 679,900 carers and their families arrived, government figures show.

In total, 4.5 million people arrived in Britain between 2021 and 2024, primarily from India, Nigeria and China. One in every 25 people living in the U.K. today came during that four-year window.

In comparison, the U.S. typically averages about one million new lawful permanent residents, or green card holders, a year—to a country with a total population five times the size of Britain’s.

After Boris Johnson, who had campaigned for Brexit, had become Prime Minister he implemented an industry friendly,  extremely liberal immigration policy. Workers from Europe were shunned but everybody else was welcome:

Employers no longer had to try to hire workers from Britain before recruiting from abroad. To acquire a skilled-worker visa, foreign workers weren’t required to have a college degree, they just had to be offered a job with a minimum salary of £25,600, which at the time was 23% below the full-time U.K. median salary.

There were also carve-outs. Firms could sponsor visas in certain sectors, such as construction, where there was an acute shortage of workers, paying them as little as £20,400 a year. And students could come with their families for a one-year master’s course, and stay on for two years after completing their studies. Net migration from the EU went into reverse, and arrivals from elsewhere surged. In 2021, 93,000 people arrived from India. By 2024, that number was 240,000. The number of Nigerian migrants increased fivefold in the same period.

Many arrived with families in tow. In the 12 months ending March 2024, nearly half of all visas were issued to dependents, not workers.

It is thereby not astonishing to find that Farage is back:

This sudden demographic shift, which has come at a time of economic stagnation and piled pressure on Britain’s stretched public services, is roiling the country’s politics. Immigration is now voters’ top concern. Reform UK, which says it would freeze most migration and deport those who arrive illegally, got the most votes of any party in recent municipal elections. The Tories, having lost power last year to the Labour Party, are now a distant third in the polls.

The 61-year-old Farage, long dismissed in Westminster as influential but unelectable, is now being taken seriously as a possible prime minister, though national elections are unlikely before 2029.

I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.

Comments

Goood morning from a multi ethnic multicultural London U.K.
a largely very happy place because of it.
Last long bank holiday weekend it was the Notting Hill strret carnival in west London now over 50 years and going strong.
A festival founded by the afrocarribean migrants brought over to post war Britain as additional workers needed to run public and local services.
They were all BRITISH, had been British empires subjects.
Fought for Britain.
Everyone in that empire had a BRITISH passport.
Read that again.
Now let’s move forward to the C21st.
The England team that won the football cup back in 1966 against West Germany had NOT a single ‘black British’ player – but there’s IS a history of such players in the local games throughout the C20th.
Now- such a monochrome ‘white British’ team would get nowhere in any international competition.
Nor would any local team – the giants, Utd,City et al, which just a couple of decades ago were still supported by the racist chanting hooligan ‘fans’ such as Chelsea !
That generation now middle aged into retirement are like the dinosaurs soon to be extinct.
The mindset of the current generation of under 50’s is totally different.
The easy pushable button has faded (like the epic hairstyles😉) now.
There is no easy petty knee jerk patriotic dog whistle racism – the establishment has long fostered and relied upon to make endless wars and colonialism.
They need to fan the embers to keep such instincts alive – especially in the canon fodder , terrorist soldier recruits class garrison communities. The ones fed upon by the fake ‘Tommy’ – the agit prop mi5 and English and Jewish Defence League – operative.
That’s the high profile few hundreds hotelled in such places. The dumb St George cross flags illegally placed on street lampposts, the mass media placed stories. It’s a project that’s been underway since HerrKyivStarmztrooper took the baton.
As is the stinking poo fake English man in tweeds The Fart Rage – his job to keep the middle aged easily button pushed.
Remember the BrexShit head party that he ‘founded and led’ ukip?
Most people won’t or what the ip stands for.
They were not even a party with grassroots members it was a complete creation of the ziofascist deepstate as part of destroying the good thing about the EU – which would inevitably logically moved to EurAsian wide single market.
These ukip target supporters self referenced as ‘Kippers’ – a stinky fish beloved in some parts of U.K. ‘cuisine’ as much as corned beef (…another topic 😉 )
Is it any wonder the easily button pushed jingo Brit brain dead are attracted to the stinky Mordoorrrk mass media creature and his FartRage ?
The Kippers never translated into a populist breakdown of old party loyal voting – the ‘Red wall’ was brought down by internal blirite NuLabInc treachery and external crown state postal vote fraud run by Cummings. As was BrexShit and Scottish Independence referendums.
It is just another attempt at fascist Red-Brown bridging to align the population against the rising multipolar world. They really mean to send our kids to our fight to the last for the mythological gammon superiority Collective Waster empire – the 5+1 Eyed ziofascist shapeshifter dynastic snakes that poison our world and minds.
Fuck. Them.
¡No Pasaran!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 29 2025 6:28 utc | 201

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 6:20 utc | 199
I’m sorry to say that he copied our opportunist-populist-xenophobic politicians here in Australia by milking the anti-refugee, anti-immigrant, anti- ‘foreigner’ sentiment or ‘boat people’ as they were called here. In our case many of those refugees were a direct result of Western wars we had taken part in like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 6:31 utc | 202

Immigration from India, Nigeria and China surprised me to be honest. At least i had other nations in mind, if it was about immigration to the UK. The immigrants from those 3 country’s are entering legal in to the UK and make up what percentage?
20,000£ per year salary? Well seems that is the reason why the numbers of EU immigrants decline and non EU surge.
From the top of my head i remember Poland as the main origion of UK immigrants within the EU. I could be wrong though. Nontherless, for 20.000£ working on construction, even temporarily sounds like a bad deal. So the industry seems to be the driving force behind this.
At least here in Iceland, Polish people are the biggest group of immigrants and make up a big part of the manual labour force. A wild guess would be 50% on each construction side i worked at. From shitshovler to high end electrichian, so across the spectrum. 60-70% of them were without family here (wild guess again but…). But what i wanted to say is, at least were i worked the average sallery for 9-5 construction in the lowest shitshovler category was not und er 3000€ after taxes. Union membership was mendatory and warm lunch was provided. The guys litterly had fights over getting overtime gigs or weekend work which is very lucrative. The shitshovler brigades were usually younger and without family here but not exclusive.
Yes, Iceland coast of living if brutal but i been to the UK and to compared to all the rest of EU it was pretty compareable pricewise.

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Aug 29 2025 6:33 utc | 203

Two more points i wanted to mentione. Of course Iceland is statisticly insignificant in the wider bigger picture but immigration wise i think it seems like a good example how it can be done.
Yes, the immigration goes two ways, the (mainly) building industry needs workers (there is a building frenzy atm) and there is plenty of them willing to immigrate here, live in a dorm or single room with shared kitchen etc. but at least a the jobsite and their sallery they get are good wrap.
I know plenty of examples of young guys bringing their girlfriend after 1-2 years and now 3-4 years later you meet them at the kindergarden, swimmingpool supermarket. Even as shitshovlers they are able to still have a resembelence of a middleclass life.
Sometimes i think the most of the building activity happening, at least in suburbs, is housing were exactly those guys settle down. They build theire own neighbour hoods so to say.

Posted by: El Lissitzky | Aug 29 2025 6:54 utc | 204

“I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.”
Dead right!
Rulling finance and associated geopolicy wants workers, cheap ones.
A shread of democracy or worse, free will, is to evacuate from society realm.
Paradoxally, non democracies us China and others are the only hope left standing for those items!

Posted by: Nguyen | Aug 29 2025 7:35 utc | 205

If you look at northern Europe and its economic success, the bourgeois model of having a 2nd house in a more sunny country in the south of Europe and a way of life that involves a lot of subordinary tasks, you see very clearly why the UK always need slaves. By the way it is a class society and they have more difficulties exploiting their own white trash.
They coined hedofascism to describe the ideal model of wealthy VIP which the anglosaxons media have been promoting for decades.

Posted by: Minaa | Aug 29 2025 8:27 utc | 206

People seem to have forgotten that…
Brexit happened because the EU threatened to remove the secrecy about ownership of wealth from Britains precious Trusts!
Cameron who may well have acted like controlled opposition was the son of Trust-manager.
All those with Off-shore money were at risk of being exposed and more. Because that secrecy may concern many more than Britains elites…

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 29 2025 8:39 utc | 207

No time to read all the posts – I got past the first 100, and it seems there is a school of thought that posits racism is to blame for the supposed hatred of immigrants.
I have a thought experiment: imagine some unspecified disaster overtakes Scandinavia, and 10 million blond(e), blue-eyed, fluent English speaking refugees descend upon the British Isles, woefully in need. By some quirk of survival, only the young, tall and beautiful make it to Blighty. No thieves, no rapists, no one old or ugly, no useless eaters – only the polite, well-spoken and gorgeous arrive.
What happens to house prices when an extra 10 million need housing? What happens to wages when an extra 10 million need work? Who will be most affected by this influx? The middle class? The super-rich? Those who will have to compete for housing and work will feel it most directly. If they object to being swamped by beautiful white people, are they racist?
I am working on the assumption that immigration is the direct response to looming deflation, which is the kryptonite of the banking system. An unbelievably short-sighted policy given that it just postpones the inevitable, but adds millions of people with little investment in the system, who will not tug their forelocks and politely accept their impoverishment. These immigrants are the few, the ones with vision, with appetite to improve their lot – in other words they are doers, not whingers. Come the fall, they will definitely do something, but it may not be what TPTB had in mind.
All I hear from Brits currently is how dreadful the boat-people are, when their numbers are a trivial rounding error of the million per year legal immigration. It seems the media are forcing the hatred, but it is not simple racism – it is a fight for survival by the indigenous population (which includes all the previous generations of immigrants now fighting to keep their precarious position secure).
I recommend the consciousnessofsheep.co.uk for a good insight into the state of the precariat and the energy driven economy, or lack thereof.
As an aside, where I live has suffered 4 or 5 generations of continual emigration, and the remnant population shows what happens when the cream of the crop leave, every year, year after year for generations. No doers left here. Its an interesting breeding experiment, should anyone be brave enough to study it.

Posted by: Occasional poster | Aug 29 2025 8:47 utc | 208

@ chedolf | Aug 28 2025 19:06 utc | 79
I missed that and now understand your complaint a little better, though I remain unfamiliar with the specifics.
FWIW, B was all-in on the mrna and I overlook that.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 29 2025 9:57 utc | 209

@ All Under Heaven
I haven’t read everything from Roger Boyd. But if you’re correct that he would prioritize building housing for the poor in USA and oppose mass immigration until we raise living standards of native USA residents, i agree with him. Other countries can develop themselves without us. They’ll probably be better off.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 29 2025 10:17 utc | 210

Vote for Farage
As they say in England- we like to ‘stick it up ’em’ to the political ruling class

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 10:18 utc | 211

George | Aug 29 2025 3:52 utc | 181
I also sold my house at a bargain price to our neighbour’s daughter and her young family. No estate agent involved. It does happen. Sorry to be OT.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 29 2025 10:28 utc | 212

petergrfstrm | Aug 29 2025 8:39 utc | 206
People seem to have forgotten that… Brexit happened because the EU threatened to remove the secrecy about ownership of wealth from Britains precious Trusts! Cameron who may well have acted like controlled opposition
For God’s sake. Brexit happened because of Blair’s opening the borders at A6 accession. No one who was anyone expected it*. Not everything is controlled by “them” i.e. whoever one happens to dislike.
* Domimic Lawson’s EU friends told him after the vote “it won’t happen. A fudge will be arranged”. Lawson had to say that it would now happen.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 29 2025 10:34 utc | 213

@Red Star #108
You are presuming that having some money and historical connections means Farage cannot be anything but establishment.
The same could be said of Theodore Roosevelt and well as Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
There is also hard evidence of what I say: Farage was debanked – his accounts at Coutts bank were closed for no apparent reason in June 2023, prompting a lawsuit.
This lawsuit was settled in March 2025.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 22:38 utc | 129

I presume nothing – Farage IS part of the Esthablishment . Even the fact that he even had an account at Coutts (the ‘top peoples’ bank) in the first place screams “Esthablishment !”

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 29 2025 11:22 utc | 214

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 29 2025 10:28 utc | 211
I would say you are part of the exception not the rule and another example of more kind hearted person. Part of a smaller demographic that writes on here perhaps because you are also concerned about the world and some the inhuman things that take place. But mathematics alone would suggest that if everyone did like you and – General Factotum | Aug 29 2025 3:35 utc | 180 – then house prices would generally lower significantly if (1) the majority did not did not expect to sell for a higher price than they bought (even if they discounted a bit at the sale) while (2) others still expect to maximize the price they get at the sale.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 11:36 utc | 215

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 29 2025 8:39 utc | 206
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Pretty much this. The City cannot tolerate a eurocrat audit. They saw what happened to the Vatican. Never mind that the auditors are equally degenerate. All the above despise any sunlight. They despise anybody who’s not them.
Farage attacked the eurocrats, yes, but beyond that he’s suspect, obviously.

Posted by: seer | Aug 29 2025 11:40 utc | 216

Farage supported Brexit in order to “liberate the people” from the EU.
Now he wants to “liberate the people” from migrants taking jobs.
In reality, he has only ever been interested in the neoliberal looting of the national economy.
Posted by: Damien | Aug 29 2025 2:17 utc | 171

Exactly – ultimately Farage is in it for Farage. Official income declarations show that in his first six months as an MP Farage raked in over £500,000 from nine ‘outside jobs’ – that’s over and above the £91,000 (plus expenses) he draws for his ‘official job’ as MP. You might wonder how anyone with nine extra jobs can find any time to represent he people who elected him.
As for Brexit, I suspect Farage was secretly appalled at the result. He had a good thing going, milking the EU funds as an MEP, despite having a very poor attendence record.
He would have prefered to have had a Brexit defeat and been able to continue his pose as a ‘man of the people’, while continuing to build a fortune on the back of the EU he claimed to despise.
I say ‘claimed to despise’, because the day after Brexit he tried to claim German citizenship, as detailed here :
https://skwawkbox.org/2016/12/30/proof-farage-applied-for-german-citizenship-and-hes-under-police-investigation-for-it/
Of course, he lied on his application, and got refused as a result. But that shows the depth of his committment to the UK and indeed Brexit. If he’d been granted German citizenship, what odds he’d now be an MEP for AfD ?

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 29 2025 11:44 utc | 217

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You drag up all the old trops about Farage. You cannot see a genuine patriot when he is in front of your eyes.He could see the way the country was becoming a third worlder (deindustralised), full of rapists, drug pushers and welfare gougers and the political establishment (tory and labour ) was encouraging it. Whatever his background he decided to DO something about it while others sat on their backsides and moaned

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 12:06 utc | 218

Very important with a Glasgow example from a different century.
PRODUCTIVTY is key now we understand nothing is an affordability issue. If you are a full monetary sovereign nation state and issue your own currency via keystrokes.
We shouldn’t even have been thinking about joining EFTA. It has free movement of people as a core principle.
A skills based immigration policy is what improves our productivity. Not open borders – it is about doing more with less.
The free market tooth fairy believes that people are mutable between professions at the snap of a finger. That bakers can become engineers and Marks and Spencer cleaners can become train drivers the next day.
That people can be moved around like ignots of steel. They have found out the hard way this is never the case.
When people are unemployed there is never a list of private sector employers sat there with cheque books at the ready. When a down turn happens unemployment spreads through communities like a virus. Regardless what the free market tooth fairy says.
Why we need a job guarentee – A transistion job that allows human beings to move from the public sector to the private sector easily.
As soon as UK workers get some pricing power these companies run to Nanny and scream for cheap Labour from abroad. Exactly like they did after brexit.

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:13 utc | 219

Why does the UK import Labour ? What with x unemployed, y inactive but want a job, and z part timers wanting full time work, why do we need any more?
It’s relatively straightforward. The British Labour market suffers from the ‘British disease’ — a vestige of Imperialism. We find it easier to steal resources from other countries than to create our own.
There is about 10% of the working population unutilised in the workforce one way or another. And that’s before we get onto people over 65, who are automatically excluded despite the state pension age creeping ever higher.
None of these match the vacancies on offer.They don’t match for several reasons:
a) The job role demands a skill set that is not available at the price offered.
b) The job is in the wrong geographical location from the people who could do it
c) The job has physical requirements that are not available at the price offered
So the process of filling a job goes something like this:
1. Business advertises for a person to work very long hours for a pittance, often somewhere ridiculous like London.
2. Nobody appropriate applies for it.
3. Business goes running to nanny shouting ‘skill shortage’ and demands visas.
4. Government gives in to business because businesses are treated like pets, not cattle.
5. The job is advertised abroad.
6. Foreign nations, exporting their people like cargo, welcome the visas and encourage people to leave rather than sort the social problems out at home.
So the elite class in both countries get what they want.The poor country gets rid of their peasants that are competing for what little resources there are and who may send some foreign currency back which the elites can appropriate through taxes, financial discounting or even occasionally producing goods for people.
The rich country gets cheap labour that will stack high in tenement blocks and work all hours for a lower wage. The elite cream off the surplus and socialise the losses onto the school system, the health system and the social services who then advertise for people to expand and find that there aren’t any skilled staff to work in those areas. The public sector then asks for visas, advertises abroad…
What you get, in effect, is the same process at a country level that we had initially in the industrial revolution at a city level. 1840’s Manchester followed the same process, but with the surrounding rural areas rather than areas thousands of miles away in a different country. Birmingham, Glasgow and others followed the same process.
It will end up in the same way it always does — the rich living in gated wonderlands while the poor live in slums squashed in like sardines. Shanty towns are what happen when you allow market forces free rein. The UK had the first shanty towns, and the way it is run at the moment it will be the first shanty country.
It’s not just at the low level this process happens. Agriculture is notorious for it, but it also happens in IT. The larger firms put pressure on the government to let them import ‘skilled staff’ just as soon as the British workers develop any pricing power.
In reality they just want to pay less, and the prevailing economic orthodoxy uses a ‘reserve army of the unemployed’ to keep wages under control. In their belief system, inflation control has to be done on the labour side of the equation, never on the capital side. That why we have concepts like NAIRU, but never a NAIRC (non-accelerating inflation rate of competition).
When you look at a country with a different approach — Japan — you find, that even with a declining population and GDP relatively static overall, the GDP per capita is rising. That’s because they are automating and treating their elderly with respect. Fast food places are closing because they can’t get the staff. People get their cars washed by machines and their coffee from machines. All that drives forward productivity which then maintains and improves the standard of living — because they have to.
It’s not all perfect. The Japanese elite are gripped with neoliberalism like everywhere else. There is unnecessary unemployment and unhappiness. There are strong pushes for more ‘guest workers’. But the language, writing barrier and general culture stops them throwing open the doors. They have developed a different way for an island nation to bumble along relatively happily but with a net migration rate of about zero.
When you read any of the immigration literature put out by economists have a look and see if you can find Japan mentioned. You won’t find them in there — because it doesn’t fit the prevailing narrative.
So there is another way to improve standard of living rather than going around nicking resources from other nations. But it means treating business like cattle rather than pets. It means elites having to address local problems and innovate rather than sweeping them under the carpet.
But to do that you have to dump the neo-liberal economic attitude and the bizarre focus on people overseas ahead of people here who actually may vote for YOU.
Leaving the EU. We have been freed from the straitjacket. Asking for it to be put back on, because the new movement in your arms and legs is scary, looks a bit bonkers to anybody outside the echo chamber.
The growth strategy of the UK has been for many years “import cheap labour to keep the middle classes in their delusions of grandeur”. It’s actually called The British Growth Model. But we didn’t reject New Labour to have it replaced by Cheap Labour.
Our future must lie in improving productivity and increasing investment so that we can do more things with a stable population and a sustainable ecology. And a constraint on the labour supply is one of the ways that gets done. Employees should always be reassuringly expensive to force the capitalists to invest and innovate.
Our international strategy must be to encourage other nations to follow our lead in pushing productivity and increasing investment, and solve their unemployment problem at home rather than exporting it. That means that activity needs to move to where the people live.
Bizarrely we appear to be focussed upon national GDP figures and international people, when, in a nation, the focus should be the other way around — international growth figures and the local people who actually vote for you. It shouldn’t matter where the work gets done as long as it is more productive and less resource intensive than before.

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:16 utc | 220

Finally…
You you have to have an immigration system that works. Here’s a precis of one that will (but remember that the devil is in the detail):
An immigration system that excludes immigrants that wouldn’t otherwise get a work visa instantly removes all those people who come here and compete with the UK working-class sub-median wage earners. These were the people who voted in the largest numbers for Brexit. These people have paid the heaviest price for EU membership.
Reintroducing a work visa system that is on same lines as every other civilised advanced nation outside the EU, solves that problem.
Then only higher waged, higher skilled individuals come into the country from all over the world, but they compete with a different class of people in the UK and compete less because they are in areas with GENUINE skill shortages.
From the point of view of the UK sub-median wage earner, immigration has ended. So they are happy.
And importantly you need to send out higher skilled individuals from the UK to the rest of the world to balance those you take in. Otherwise you are stealing skills from other nations which they need to develop internally. That is a ‘beggar-thy-neighbour’ attitude and morally unacceptable. Immigration should be more of an informal exchange process than a capitalist ‘free market’.
This is a civilised solution that addresses all the concerns. Eminently reasonable and fair to all who believe in sovereign nations and borders. A win-win all round.
Free movement of people a core principle of EFTA has given life back to the far right across Europe with immigration being their number one agenda. With a skills based immigration policy to improve our productivity this would never have happened.
VERY IMPORTANT !!!!
The scam of right wing populists will not fix this. Trickle down art laffer scam will just make it worse.
Farage is as right wing as you can get. Thus will treat business like pets instead of cattle.
Farage believes human beings can be moved around like ignots of steel.
Farage wants to give business and banks first dibs on both skills and real resources. Loves cheap Labour for business.
Farage won’t fix the root causes of the problem.

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:23 utc | 221

LOL – It’s OK if the populace gets infiltrated by a non white Brit, but look at the Fit , the Monarchy had when it happened to them . Plus the Prince looks just like his real Dad – heavens forbid !

Posted by: GMC | Aug 29 2025 12:25 utc | 222

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 12:06 utc | 217
You are an idiot and fallen for right wing populists dog whistles.Your ears have been trained to listen to dog whistles.
The right caused this problem between 1980 right up until today because their backers scream for cheap labour.
They believe business confidence should decide the size of the unemployed.
Farage is no different.
I recognise a fraudster when I see them. Farage like Trump is one big fraud.
Art laffer trickle down is all he has got. Has failed everytime it has been implemented.
Anybody who wanted tax cuts during the pandemic. When the supply side constraints brought the supply of goods and services to a halt. Is a moron.
Farage said Liz Truss economic policy of art laffer trickle down ( tax cuts during a pandemic) was the best he had ever seen.
He is a right wing ideologue that loves racist dog whistles and gets to portray right wing Englishness as the whole of the UK. England isn’t the whole of the UK.
I hope Farage wins then Scottish independence becomes real. Scotland will finally leave right wing England. We are absolutely nothing like racist dog whistle England.

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:38 utc | 223

From the top of my head i remember Poland as the main origion of UK immigrants within the EU.
Posted by: El Lissitzky | Aug 29 2025 6:33 utc | 202
The UK wanted Poland in the European Union, to act as counterweight for France and Germany. The price to pay was being the only country that allowed Polish economic migrants in.
In general, UK civil servants are good at obtaining their goals, and very good at turning a blind eye to any side effects.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 29 2025 12:48 utc | 224

The worst thing about immigration is that you can’t even talk about it in Public: because in London almost everybody is an immigrant. It’s Friday afternoon here in London and I can hear Islamic prayers from an adjacent building. They got rid of white people ( Europeans to bring in Africans and Indians). I’m not against these people but they are a majority in security jobs,G.P. and even some hospitals.And they are here to stay.UK is finished.

Posted by: Herminio | Aug 29 2025 13:07 utc | 225

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You rabbit on about the need for cheap labour as being the only need of the capitalist, you do not see the whole pictue. On joining the Common Market in the 70’s England was full of Factories making goods sold all over the world. Towns like Coventry and Birmingham produce cars tractors, lorries, jet engines, electric and electronics and produced top of the range racing engines.
Where are they now the factories are now retail malls and souless housing estates, the only factories are ones supporting the Gig economy. The industry has been strip out sent to Europe India and lately China with only a token remaining and soon to be gone eg Steel and the Mini.
The largest employer is the NHS , full of pen pushers who would rather bring in third worlders than employ natives
No wonder the population is in revolt.
The EU used England to strip it of its wealth and was rightly voted out by the population. Let England rise again with the flags.

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 13:07 utc | 226

Fast tracking the Eastern Europeans into the EU was pushed by British Crown State to :
destabilise EU (BrexShit was long planned by hook or crook – it was for sure crook by postal vote fraud);
also for cheap trained labour (the London Olympics and endless new high rises would t have happened otherwise;
and to stop them working with Russia in an economic union.
Long planned and long controlled and delivered by a ge ziofascist establishment and media.
Just seeing more of the same. Especially the insane Russophobia. Mad support of the banderite proxy war and insane support of the ziofascist colonial expansion in the Levant by genocide of Palestinians.
Any more questions?

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 29 2025 13:20 utc | 227

Re. this Brexit discussion, 2 points:
1. The EU is one admin. layer on the European Continent.
There are many others – Schengen area for ex.
See for ex. this Venn diagram which may be out of date (wiki) -> I only mean to show the compexity.
(Plus the number of bureacrats drawing high salaries, ha ha)
The most imporant grouping is those who use Euros / not, imho. (Non-Euro users can adjust curency, interest rates, etc.)
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Supranational_European_Bodies-en.png
2. The NW part of the continent, Greenland, Iceland, Norway, and recently the UK (incl. Northern Ireland, Jersey, Guernsey, Isle of Man …) don’t belong.
The Republic of Ireland is the outlier, because of its horrific past with Brittania, its love of Europa, etc.
The South is slipping away, one sign is that Spain and Portugal have withdrawn from the EU electricity market, not reported in the MSM. Big move.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 29 2025 13:57 utc | 228

I’ll tell you why western governments love immigration.
It’s a simples economic syndrome: the more ppl you have, the more consumers you have, bigger economy.

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 29 2025 14:12 utc | 229

Scotland is a country the elder of the two nations (England – Scotland) held illegally in an illegal union and treated as a colony and asset stripped.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 28 2025 14:27 utc | 3

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He needs to study the History of Scotland. It was only after the nobility of Scotland bankrupted itself by trying to colonise part of Central America that they then sold out their countrymen to the Union.
As for asset stripping, Scotland has been a net beneficiary of the UK public fisc for years, and the has had more Scottish UK PMs than would be proportionate with its population.
If the English had any self-respect, they would have left Scotland in the EU just to revel in the whinging that would follow the undoubted mistreatment the EU would mete out.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 29 2025 14:17 utc | 230

222
‘We are absolutely nothing like racist dog whistle England’
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Scotland became a stong modern nation because of its union with England and made a major contribution to the wealth and prosperity of the United Kingdom. What is it today, a mere shadow of its former self, even self government is a total shambles, a once great education system that supplied the world with doctors, engineers scientist is now a shadow. Its natural coal, gas and oil is left underground because of ‘climate change’, and the priority of government is the ‘trans’ agenda.
This is before indepenance, what sort of mess would the Scots get into without England to bail you out I shudder to think.
The EU is not the answer it only your slave master

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 14:23 utc | 231

I’ll tell you why western governments love immigration.
It’s a simples economic syndrome: the more ppl you have, the more consumers you have, bigger economy.

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 29 2025 14:12 utc | 228
Yes. To elaborate a bit, and setting aside FIRE, illegit. monopolies, and MAFIA style, to make money, you need 3 things.
Workers, preferably young, disciplined, ‘educated’, consumers who have enough money to spend on XYZ, and some kind of external available resources (energy, land, water, forest, etc. expertise for ‘services’, say.) Then you position yourself as the middle man, organise, and become rich.
This was basically the Merkel idea re. welcoming all the Syrian refugees.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 29 2025 14:39 utc | 232

There is also hard evidence of what I say: Farage was debanked – his accounts at Coutts bank were closed
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 22:38 utc | 129
There is hard evidence that your story is a mythical fantasy created by the Western Media’s mythical fantasy story creation machine.
It is just like the mythical fantasy story that the 2008 financial crises was caused by banks when it was actually caused by Wall Street firms and Wall Street investors that entrust money to those firms for investment purposes…
Coutts and Co. is a wealth management service and Farage had his wealth management services terminated. His money was not confiscated it was given back.
To have an account at Coutts and Co. a person has to entrust a bare minimum of 1 million pounds to the company.
As I understand it, the courts ruled that the termination was lawful under the lawful terms and conditions agreement Farage had with Coutts and Co.
At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 233

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 29 2025 14:39 utc | 231

…to make money, you need 3 things.
Workers, preferably young, disciplined, ‘educated’, consumers who have enough money to spend on XYZ, and some kind of external available resources (energy, land, water, forest, etc. expertise for ‘services’, say.)
Then you position yourself as the middle man, organise, and become rich.
This was basically the Merkel idea re. welcoming all the Syrian refugees.

How did that work out for her? Did she become rich?

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 29 2025 14:49 utc | 234

Dog forbid that Nigel Farage might take control of the UK parliament after the useless Conservetives/Labor who have consistently failed to look after their populations. Both Labor and Conservatives are controlled by naked economists.
Or that Marine Lecron might be the next French President after the gob-smackingly unpopular Macron, the Rothchilds boy.
And Merz only just scraped in to become the Chancellor of Germany, trying to describe AfD as extremists (?!). What?
I’ve come to the conclusion there is such thing as democracy. It’s all about who can pump the most money into their campaigns and confuse the useful idiots.

Posted by: Ant, | Aug 29 2025 14:52 utc | 235

Posted by: Ant, | Aug 29 2025 14:52 utc | 234
Your post makes no sense. Forgot to (p)review before posting?

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 29 2025 15:02 utc | 236

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 29 2025 14:17 utc | 229
You are historically inaccurate-I guess you never heard of ‘Highland Enclosures’? Let me help with your education (1)
1.The Highland Clearances (Scottish Gaelic: Fuadaichean nan Gàidheal [ˈfuət̪ɪçən nəŋ ˈɡɛː.əl̪ˠ], the “eviction of the Gaels”) were the evictions of a significant number of tenants in the Scottish Highlands and Islands, mostly in two phases from 1750 to 1860.
The first phase resulted from agricultural improvement, driven by the need for landlords to increase their income – many had substantial debts, with actual or potential bankruptcy being a large part of the story of the clearances. This involved the enclosure of the open fields managed on the run rig system and shared grazing. These were usually replaced with large-scale pastoral farms on which much higher rents were paid. The displaced tenants were expected to be employed in industries such as fishing, quarrying, or kelp harvesting and processing. Their reduction in status from farmer to crofter was one of the causes of resentment.[1]: 212 
The second phase involved overcrowded crofting communities from the first phase that had lost the means to support themselves, through famine and/or collapse of industries that they had relied on. This is when “assisted passages” were common, when landowners paid the fares for their tenants to emigrate. Tenants who were selected for this had, in practical terms, little choice but to emigrate. The Highland Potato Famine struck towards the end of this period, giving greater urgency to the process.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 29 2025 15:05 utc | 237

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:38 utc | 222
Every state that has had proper communism has failed-Russia has done fine since they became capitalist.
China is not a Communist state-since 1978 they have had a hybrid Capitalist/Communist model which has worked well.
Unfortunately, since the end of the cold war the Western countries have had Fascist governments when they threw out.anti Trust -see Amazon, Google, Facebook et al.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 29 2025 15:09 utc | 238

Perhaps my dear refuses to understand how the world works,,, like there is no such thing as propaganda… in either directon.

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 29 2025 15:14 utc | 239

“At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.”
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 232
You are wrong (1)
1.Now an internal document from Coutts, obtained by Farage through a subject access request he made to the bank and published in full by the Daily Mail newspaper, shows it wanted to drop him as a client long before — and used his controversial public profile as justification.
A briefing presented to the bank’s “reputational risk committee” said Farage is considered by many to be a “disingenuous grifter” with “xenophobic, chauvinistic and racist views” and suggests it could dump him once he paid off his mortgage and dropped below its wealth criteria.
The document cites his comments on Brexit, his friendship with former U.S. President Donald Trump and controversial tennis star Novak Djokovic. It flags his views on the COVID vaccine and un-evidenced links to Russia.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 29 2025 15:17 utc | 240

@ petergrfstrm | Aug 29 2025 8:39 utc | 206
you make a lot of sense there… city of london under thread from the eurocrats essentially wanting to open up the details on who is who with regard ownership…city of london can’t have that..

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2025 15:18 utc | 241

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 28 2025 18:01 utc | 57
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I take your point, but I seem to recall that before Brexit it was an influx of Bulgarians and others from Eastern Europe EU countries that was the bigger issue.
That source was stopped legally, via Brexit.
Replaced by another source, the illegal one.
So there appears to be no obvious LEGAL action that Britons can take to stop this new, illegal, flow that is encouraged and supported by (currently) Labour.
So there appears to be no legal step Britons can take regain control of their demographics except the electoral one.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 15:39 utc | 242

you make a lot of sense there…
Posted by: james | Aug 29 2025 15:18 utc | 240
Are you serious? He makes no sense at all.
Brexit happen because England countryside voted for it.
London voted to remain in EU.
Here is the map

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 29 2025 15:40 utc | 243

@ Jane | Aug 28 2025 17:32 utc | 52
it could mean any number of things, but since you’re reluctant to reveal anything of yourself, i would follow you in kind… . .
Posted by: james | Aug 28 2025 20:02 utc | 104
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That is not true, James.
I wonder why you assert this.
If you have been following this blog for any period of time, you know perfectly well that I have been quite open about who I am, my ethnic background, my politics, and approximately where I live.
I have not named the actual community where I live.
I have a vague recollection of Roger’s post.
I think I might have responded to that post.
I believe I referred to the views of people I knew in the former East Germany, but that might have been a different thread.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 15:48 utc | 244

you’re welcome, lol..
Posted by: james | Aug 28 2025 20:02 utc | 104
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You seem to think that writing “lol” is a clever riposte.
It isn’t.
I have seen you do this in the past.
As for the origins of the AfD, it is nothing unusual for political parties to change their spots.
This does not make them “fake.”

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 15:52 utc | 245

bsw is legit.. afd is fake..
Posted by: james | Aug 28 2025 14:50 utc | 10
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I asked, “Meaning what?”
James did not answer the question and instead got his panties in a twist.
But Roger has provided the answer “fake populist.”
Which certainly is a valid answer.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 16:01 utc | 246

» In total, 4.5 million people arrived in Britain between 2021 and 2024, primarily from India, Nigeria and China. One in every 25 people living in the U.K. today came during that four-year window.
In comparison, the U.S. typically averages about one million new lawful permanent residents, or green card holders, a year—to a country with a total population five times the size of Britain’s. «
This WSJ statement cannot be allowed to stand uncorrected.
The influx of migrants in the UK is not legal, such as green card recipients.
The influx of illegal migrants into the USA dwarfs legal immigration and could total 20 million over Biden’s terms alone.

Posted by: Webej | Aug 29 2025 16:06 utc | 247

At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 232
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Weasely!!
That is not the same thing as being “debanked”—having one’s established bank accounts closed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Farage_Coutts_bank_scandal

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 16:10 utc | 248

“At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.”
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 14:43 utc | 232
You are wrong (1)
Posted by: canuk | Aug 29 2025 15:17 utc | 239
I’m sorry but I’m not wrong. Farages investments in a wealth management scheme were terminated.
The reason for the termination is irrelevant.
At no time was Farage ever denied his right to deposit money in a depository institution.
Nor was he ever denied the banking services that one may have access to when one deposit money in a depository institution.
If being denied an account at Coutts and Co = debanking then at least 99.9% of the worlds population is debanked.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 16:11 utc | 249

Voting Reform serves one very useful purpose whether local or central government: it damages the liblabcon by removing snouts from troughs and puts the ongoing careers of the mainstream political bourgeoisie into disarray.
Liblabcon MPs are usually candidates which have started out as councillors, been elected a few times, held senior positions after a while, filled in their CV, then got selected to be a parliamentary candidate in an unlikely constituency, then get picked to stand in a safe or promising seat for their respective party.
Being loyal to the Deep State is a must to get on. Net Zero, Ukraine, diversity lgbt, etc, all must be supported or at least not criticised.
Reform turfs them out or blocks these parasites from even getting on the first rung of the ladder.

Posted by: Truthsayer | Aug 29 2025 16:13 utc | 250

@ Jane | Aug 29 2025 15:52 utc
Most of AFD are former CDU. Merkel incorporated green and left positions into CDU at the expense of old positions.
Remember Kanter, secretary of interior or whatever, he would be called extreme right these days.
Not that I liked his positions on immigration any better.
In the end we get what the yankee wars have provoked. Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Ucraine,, now Palestine.

Posted by: steiniplatte | Aug 29 2025 16:18 utc | 251

controversial tennis star Novak Djokovic
Its my inpression that Novak is very much a class act.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 29 2025 16:18 utc | 252

Monty (230).
“This is before indepenance, what sort of mess would the Scots get into without England to bail you out I shudder to think.”
Scotland’s natural resources such as oil and gas have been stolen by England for neigh on 50 years, prior to this Scotland contributed more to the illegal union that it got in return, and the figures on yearly contribution set against monies returned to Scotland, these figures were stopped being published in the 1950@s as Westminster realised the significance of publishing the figures – Scotland is the mess its in because its captured in this illegal union, its wealth is drained yearly via clever accounting tricks used by the English treasury, its estimated by Professor Alf Baird that around £200 billion quid is stolen from Scotland every year.
Its estimated that the British stole around £45 trillion in wealth from India in the hundred plus years it plundered it, Scotland can’t afford to remain tied to this illegal union.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2025 16:20 utc | 253

@Giyaan 31
Quote “The main thing we achieved through Brexit was not having to serve in Macron’s and Germany’s European Army.
It put a spanner in the wires if European unity.”
But you loser English who put fire into other nations never fight your own war but use others Europeans and non Anglos to fight your dirty war .
Nato”
There is a confusion among many that USA uses Nato exert her influence in Europe. In fact USA does not need nato . But that entity is needed by a third rate country which after second world war found herself without real power so nato was created by that country to keep Germans down and Russians out using American arms and money.. Since early 90s that same country manoeuvred to keep Nato alive and install her stooges in European commission like british spy barrasso and English pirate witch cathertine ashton and many more inside European beaurocracy to make Europe follow one and only one policy to be dictated by that same country.
Name of the evil country? Of course it is england the centre of money laundering and all spying in the world and most evil entity in the history of world.
For Russia the easiest way to tackle the problem is to support Scottish independence because that would good for scots and it would ruin england and her position in the world. Scots don’t like parasitical existence as English lead so once Russia discloses how england is sitting on black box and not saying anything(after all hue and cry within 24 hours of Malaysian plane crash) that will show to world and scots how low lifes these English are. Russia should disclose barrasso talk with Putin as well because that pest Barroso is an English spy who should be hanged for his war crimes just like war criminal blair must be publicly hanged AFTER BRUTAL BEATING after a fail trial for his war crimes.
Russia should hurry to annihilate the English empire of evil pirate pests

Posted by: sam | Aug 29 2025 16:20 utc | 254

West “ the meaning. ,or what white means for them.
Ever wondered what word “the west” really means? It is not Mediterranean civilisation of greece, Italy,spain or even France. it is not north western european civilisation of germany or scandinavia. In fact all these countries have been spied upon by the nations who call and self designate themselves “the west” -a nation otherwise known as 5 Eyes !- A combination of england, usa,canada ,newzealand and australia- disparate nations geographically and not even european but esssentially anglosaxon race nations. A race based concept really.West is euphemism for anglos- it does not include any of other white european nations not even the msot westerly european nation of Ireland! The word “west” is a fraud to distract from real actors behind the scene-the 5 eyes.
“Those with a sense of irony may recall that Benjamin Franklin, one of the leading figures of the Enlightenment, warned that the newly liberated colonies should be wary of allowing Germans to immigrate, because they were too swarthy; Swedes as well. Into the twentieth century, ludicrous myths of Anglo-Saxon purity were common in the U.S., including among presidents and other leading figures.”
Hence comes the myth of white-where white is a code word for English and English scumbag’s derived anglosaxon race who incidentally are much more swarthy than the Irish and Germans who were declared non-whites in usa according to their vocabulary.
In other words anglosaxons though in minority have been able to get hold of power only by myth of white which is to pit one against another while they really mean it for the benefit of not all white races but anglosaxon race only.
The anglos dictated west.
The anglos evil empire so called West is founded on theft and murder, and its ruling Elite remains as dearly infatuated with this behaviour as ever. pirate films are very popular amongst the anglo thieves. Forms a key part of this Elite’s very class consciousness, the more so since without the loot there’ll be no way for them to buy domestic social peace and chauvinistic cohesion.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:21 utc | 255

Posted by: Ant. | Aug 29 2025 14:12 utc | 228
Correction:
The more of an impoverished, partially illegal underclass you have, the more you can press salaries to the bottom and the better you can extort the working class.
If this makes the working class succumb to ethnic conflict, so much the better.
As governmental power is held by the same class as economical power – the high bourgeoisie, big business owners and rentiers – it’s a no-brainer to enact.
Marxist class analysis remains the best tool so far to understand history and economy – regardless of which political program you subscribe.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 29 2025 16:25 utc | 256

If being denied an account at Coutts and Co = debanking then at least 99.9% of the worlds population is debanked.
Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 16:11 utc | 248
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Farage was not “denied an account” at Coutts.
His existing accounts were CLOSED.
Truly a silly hill to choose to die on.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 16:36 utc | 257

Napoleon the great would have annihilated England had he not foolishly invaded Russia and fritted away his Great Army. England never had a great general but only cunning spies to create discord and plotting by which that pirate nation stole others’ land.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:46 utc | 258

Brits who are annoyed with trump because first time in 45 years is there an us president who has mind of his own and not forced by British agents in USA and in media to do what England wants USA to do for Brits’ interest

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:50 utc | 259

I’ll tell you why western governments love immigration.
It’s a simples economic syndrome: the more ppl you have, the more consumers you have, bigger economy.
Posted by: Ant. | Aug 29 2025 14:12 utc | 228
Except where, like everywhere in the west it results in more bodies chasing the same or less amount of consumables. The colonizers are being colonized by the same group they colonized FOR the same group that led them to be colonizers in the first place. Just my take. No judgements just what I see.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 29 2025 16:54 utc | 260

Marxist class analysis remains the best tool so far to understand history and economy – regardless of which political program you subscribe.
Posted by: Arganthonios | Aug 29 2025 16:25 utc | 256
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If one wants to understand only European history and societies.
Marxist analysis is less useful when talking about African and West Asian societies.
Different cultures, different values, different histories.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2025 16:55 utc | 261

Napoléon the Great was the greatest general of the western world in last 2000 years. He was a great man too. The only mistake he did was not to attack England and kill the english race(as English pirates did to so many nations after 1820 .)-instead he attacked Russia and destroyed 95% of his grand army. Napoléon should have attacked and burn england so that the world wouldn’t have to bear the curse of having english race on the earth. we can still do it by making Europe again fight against the english parasite shopkeepers.
Considering the extent of the disaster(at battle of Auterlitzs and of Ulm before that in 1805 instigated by england with money stolen from India), The Austrian Emperor said
“THE ENGLISH ARE DEALERS OF HUMAN FLESH, THEY PAY OTHERS TO FIGHT AT THEIR PLACE”.
The Emperor forgot to mention that the payment is from the victim or some other pople’s wealth.
And English are too coward to fight on their own-they have never won a single war on their own since boar war in 1899 and that too with all resources of loot from empire.
The English are at this game even now-they now use American arms to further htier agenda-nato was created by them for them.
Isn’t it interesting to watch how the English pirate nation contrives to manipulate by greed, deception and duplicity, the vulnerable in the world.
Russia would be foolish to take lightly the danger of england-sooner that country is destroyed better it is for the humanity it is a pestilence of the clone subhumans which we call English nation.,better it is elimninated sooner rather than late..
Josef Stalin during Great Patriotic war said “the Americans and British will fight the Nazi’s to the last drop of Russian blood”

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:55 utc | 262

An Anglophile to the core, ku kulx klan stooge Wilson didn’t care about the fate of the Russians. His concern was in keeping German forces split along two fronts. The payoff worked: Russia’s provisional prime minister Aleksandr Kerensky kept the Russians involved in the war.
In 1916, Woodrow Wilson was re-elected to the presidency chiefly on the strength of a slogan: “He kept us out of war.” By 1917, the peacenik prez was leading the charge against Germany, jailing antiwar activists, and exhorting Americans to fight a “war to end all wars.” In 1940, Franklin Delano Roosevelt told the voters: “I have said this before, but I shall say it again and again and again: your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars.” Behind the scenes, however, he was maneuvering to do just that – and by the end of 1941, we were fighting a two-front war, embracing “Uncle” Joe Stalin as a fellow “anti-fascist,” and planning the internment of the Japanese-American population.
“In the aftermath of President Abraham Lincoln’s defeat of the London-backed slave-holders’ Confederate insurrection, the London-linked New York faction of U.S. finance unleashed a predatory looting of the physical assets of the territory formerly ruled by the defeated Confederacy. That operation, which was described then as “carpet bagging,” is a term that pointed to the style of the personal baggage, in which the travelling, locust-like predators carried their personal effects.”
Col. House wrote to President Wilson from London on May 29, 1914, “Whenever England consents, France and Russia will close in on Germany and Austria.”
While preparing for war, Woodrow Wilson campaigned in 1916 on the slogan, “He kept us out of war”. H.C. Peterson notes in “Propaganda for War”, Univ. Oklahoma Press, 1939: “To a large extent, the 9 million people who voted for Wilson did so because of the phrase, ‘He kept us out of war’.” Col. House later told Viereck that Wilson had concluded an agreement with the British in 1916, long before his campaign, to involve us in the war. Roosevelt repeated the process in 1939 [prior to WW2].

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:56 utc | 263

Posted by: Moon of Alabama | Aug 29 2025 12:16 utc | 219
“1840’s Manchester followed the same process, but with the surrounding rural areas rather than areas thousands of miles away in a different country. Birmingham, Glasgow and others followed the same process.”
Brilliant exposition of the entire process. Best compact account I’ve ever seen. Though I’ve seen plenty of conventional economists arguing differently. The evidence does not support their arguments.
From early on in the industrial revolution the emphasis was on keeping inputs low and profits maximised. Natural enough if you were one of the big early industrialists. Best way to keep cost of labour low was to have a surplus of it. And those engaged preferably not expecting more than mere survival.
Wasn’t all like that. A skilled technical class expanded and did well. But those at the bottom never got a fair deal. They still don’t!
……………………………
No reason why Scotland shouldn’t be independent. It has retained its national identity and character. It could feed and fuel itself. Were I a Scotsman I’d go for it like a shot. But then you’d join the EU. Please don’t. One land border with the EU is difficult enough. Two would be an absolute nightmare.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 29 2025 16:59 utc | 264

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 16:21 utc | 255
It’s true that the core of the ‘west’ is the nations you mention, but most of Europe, Japan and a few others are so slavish and compradorised that there is no point in excluding them.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:05 utc | 265

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 13:07 utc | 226
“Let England rise again with the flags.”
Telling little slip there, Monty, ‘old boy’. You’re just another English supremacist. I hope you keep it up though, as nothing gets up Scotlands collective nose more than arrogant English twattery, and given enough of that even the most ‘UK-patriotic’ Scot will eventually give up on the ‘U’K.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:10 utc | 266

Jane , jinn , chatNPC
Now do frozen Russian reserves!!
It is very reasonable to assume that coutts is a mere extension of the bankster hydra… assuming farage de-banking is accurate, it is also reasonable to assume it was done as representative of the entire incumbent BIS system and that farage (and many others) will continue to be denied by other extensions of the bankster hydra
Meanwhile, satoshis’ invention is technically separate… please name a separate (credible!) alternative in the digital realm (of course, there is also physical gold in the physical realm)

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:13 utc | 267

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 29 2025 16:59 utc | 264
Thanks for the boost, but you’ve provided one of the few good reasons to re-join the EU. 😉(However, not until the Neo-liberals are kicked out of power).

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:14 utc | 268

Posted by: Herminio | Aug 29 2025 13:07 utc | 225
“And they are here to stay. UK is finished.”
Well, I agree, the UK is on a steepening and sharply downwards slope, but I don’t see the connection with immigration. There are far more fundamental reasons for the ‘decline and fall’ than mere cultural dissonances.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:19 utc | 269

canuk (237).
British military cantonment camps in Scotland 1745-46.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=13xM8JJrtnks9ICtP2myODwrylfts8eDo&ll=56.9662220030592%2C-4.492507634374986&z=7

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2025 17:22 utc | 270

On a related note, Eva chipiuk, Canadian lawyer involved with representing truck protestors in Ottawa , recently publicly announced she had a big bank formally terminate banking relationship with her (just after she purchased some satoshis)

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:22 utc | 271

Hmmm. ‘Faragists’ has a plausible rhyme with ‘Falangists’. I think this is more than just co-incidence, and CG Jung would probably agree with me there.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:23 utc | 272

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 17:14 utc | 268
They’ll have the fish off you! Not that I’m trying to persuade you or anything.

Posted by: English Outsider | Aug 29 2025 17:26 utc | 273

Jams
I suppose you’re next going to tell us that Russia didn’t actually have $300 billion in reserves frozen by the western banking system…

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:27 utc | 274

The jock serfs watched their betters march on London 270 years ago and get annihilated. The rest is history, including my ancestors’ departure. No sense pettifogging about matters today. What’s done is done. I’d welcome a split, as with most such cases, but whimpering ain’t gonna get it done.

Posted by: seer | Aug 29 2025 17:27 utc | 275

This is a kind of karmic justice.
Britain like much of Europe benefited tremendously from the resources of colonies and enslaved people.
The U.S. as well of course as there are enough studies on the value of slavery to the U.S. economy.
To be now colonized in reverse form is wonderfully poetic.
The ultimate irony is that declining birth rates triggered by a plummeting sperm count in males, in particular white males, means that actually Governments NEED immigrants else their population s will die a slow demographic death akin to what the Japanese are experiencing.
The further irony is that the poorer the source countries the higher the sperm count and testosterone incoming.
The rape and pillage of most of the world is now being rewarded with the stark reality that even the racists in the UK will one day be looked after someone they would not let into their homes during the peak of empire.
Reform UK like MAGA will not change the reality. Why do you think the Uk went so big on Ukraine. They saw the prospect of white immigrants as a savior for their genetic demographics. Unfortunately those people too will settle into the same demographic realities complete with anti semitic sentiment.
What a mess you make when you try to play God.

Posted by: Shango | Aug 29 2025 17:29 utc | 276

Farage was not “denied an account” at Coutts.
His existing accounts were CLOSED.
Truly a silly hill to choose to die on.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 29 2025 16:36 utc | 257
Yes, it is pretty silly to contend that having an account closed against the will of the account holder is not the same as that person being denied an account. Its another obfuscation of reality.
Regardless of the wording you want to tell your version of story, Farage has always had the right to deposit his money in any of the many depository institutions in the UK that are chartered by the UK govt. to take deposits. He can, like anyone else, enjoy the banking services that come with making such deposits.
The whole story that farage was debanked because he was thrown out of an exclusive investment club that is restricted to the rich and famous is an enormous distortion of reality.
Its just like the story that banks were responsible because investors putting their $5 trillion in Wall Street investment schemes to fund residential mortgages is just the same as putting money in a depository institution (who also fund mortgages) and therefore the depository institutions can be blamed for the housing inflation and financial collapse that resulted from pumping $5 trillion into what was a $3 trillion market.

Posted by: jinn | Aug 29 2025 17:32 utc | 277

Jinn 277
Noice deflection there, Now do frozen Russian reserves

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:41 utc | 278

Republicofscotland 233
We can all throw figures about showing how terrible the English are, how about this one. If Scotland were to obtain independance they would be up for their share of the national debt 1.1 trillion pounds plus lots of hidden items, plus all the pensions, and Social Security benefits that are paid by majority english taxpayers. I think you’d be worse off.

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 17:41 utc | 279

Now R1a dna test means Aryan heritage.english have zero percentage of R1a1 in their y haplogroup
BTW . English and Anglos are neither Aryan nor Caucasian by the definition of Caucasians by the German scientist who first coined the word “Caucasian race.”
English are derived from a bog land of northern Holland where their trade was piracy.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 17:43 utc | 280

It is pretty silly to contend that the bankster hydra “keeps money safe” (let alone “clean”, but that is another matter )

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:44 utc | 281

To borrow a B’ism:
the bankster hydra “keeps money safe” and “clean”… But, at what cost?!

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:46 utc | 282

266 jams
I am just pointing out that the English have some good points, the Scots see to forget that they were the immigrants of yesterday and still to this day, millions of scots have found work careers housing and oppotunities in England that were not available up north, the people of Coventry sent a whole car plant to Scotland to build the Hillman Imp, (the product was so bad Rootes Group went bankrupt).
Raising the Flag is an insurance policy so that England is still here in the future for the Scots and Irish if needed.

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 18:12 utc | 283

@NemesisCalling #144
I recommend looking closer into what empires – even in the early sailing age – actually got from their subjects as opposed to what you think they got.
But to summarize: it wasn’t a whole lot. Low productivity, largely subsistence agriculture subjects simply don’t have a lot of surplus to give. This was true almost
Universally up until right before the Industrial age.
Rome, for example/ a huge empire but how much trade/outright looting actually occurred? If you exclude grains from Egypt – not a lot.
Spanish? They didn’t trade for diddly squat. They looted generations of silver and gold production.
The Dutch and Portuguese did trade but it was entirely luxury goods like spices, silk and what not – and this trade was not new. They were merely trading directly via sea as opposed to getting the sale goods via the ginormously long chain of middlemen from SE Asia, through the Middle East, onwards to Europe.
It was not until the British empire that you see some form of significant production, and even then it was to disintermediating China and stop the bleed of silver
From Brit coffers. It was British establishment of silk and tea plantations in India in the 1820s. Silk was established about 100 years earlier.
What we have today as far flung vassal states sending raw materials to the industrialized West is simply not very old – about the age of the US in fact.
And of course, the US South was a pioneer in using imported African slaves to clear land and grow cotton for British mills although that practice started earlier with golden rice in South Carolina.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:12 utc | 284

Posted by: fnord | Aug 29 2025 4:41 utc | 186 A good comment deserves repeating!

There’s no decoupling China’s manufacturing success from US demand and consumption, and the US cannot produce what China does profitably owing to a lack of foreign markets to sell to and a substantially higher organic composition of capital (and you can’t just reverse the high OCC by switching to a more exploited labor force anymore, that’s exactly what US capital did with offshoring to China and that card can only be played once, and certainly not domestically, as it would imply exactly what’s bemoaned about immigration, (the possibility of even if not the actuality of) declining real wages). If that causes economic turmoil, as it is beginning to now in the United States, that could just as likely mean an increase in the intensity of inter-imperialist conflicts, especially as the US might try to cut its largest and most powerful economic rival to size while it still has a chance.
This kind of right-tailing doesn’t do the left any good and is poisonous to global labor solidarity. While we have to respond to these concerns as they emanate from the working class itself, they have to be addressed in such a way as to build solidarity among the global working class and especially between immigrant and “native” communities. And at the end of the day I don’t want to see my undocumented neighbors and comrades whisked away by jackboot government thugs because they didn’t follow the rules set by some assholes in Washington.

I can only add that Roger Boyd is not a Marxist (so-called geopolitics I think is an alternative to Marxism,) so your point about the higher OCC of the US economy will likely sound like Martian to him. As for right-tailing? If you are basically a rightist, is it tailing to apologize for right-wing positions and policies with a handful of left phrases?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 18:20 utc | 285

@NemesisCalling #146
If you are trying to say that the illegals immigrants are not the only ones at fault for the troubles being created, I fully agree with that.
But it is nonsense to say that people who knowingly broke US laws to immigrate into the US are innocent, is just plain wrong.
So what if Biden and Mayorkas made it easier and/or tacitly encouraged it?
Nor is your assertion that this is purely ethno-blaming valid. The focus has always been on the word “illegal”.
If you cannot understand why conservatives don’t like law breaking, labor busting, hordes then you are no kind of actual conservative nor are you understanding why blue collar American workers are hurt by these people.
Again: the point is not personal but the big picture. Black and other minority unions in the past, including Hispanic ones, were against illegal immigration and even expanded legal immigration because they knew full well what the impact would be on their livelihoods.
So again: your attempt to focus this issue as a racial/ethnic one is wrong and is precisely what the “divide and conquer” 1% would argue.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:39 utc | 286

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 17:27 utc | 274
What are you referring to?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 18:39 utc | 287

@steven t Johnson
As usual, trust the dem-bot to obfuscate with a combination of failure to comprehend coupled with outright stupidity.
What I said was “real personal wages”.
Look this up and then come back, you moron.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:42 utc | 288

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 17:41 utc | 279
We would repudiate all assets and debits of the UK. England would be the successor state, and therefore the inheritor of these item. Plus there is the question of compensation for damage to the ecology caused by Faslane etc. – and much much more. And how could we be ‘worse off’ by getting rid of English twats like you?

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 18:44 utc | 289

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 18:12 utc | 283
“Raising the Flag is an insurance policy so that England is still here in the future for the Scots and Irish if needed.”
That’s the stuff! Give us more of the same, and we’ll be rid of you sooner. Any any case, you can keep the Butcher’s Apron, but you’ll need to lose the blue bits.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 18:47 utc | 290

@Red Star #214
Thank you for underscoring my point.
If you cannot separate the person from the idea, or even the behavior from the talk, then good luck continuing to live in fantasy land where the downtrodden working class rises up.
Note I have never said Farage is a savior or that he will accomplish even what he is now saying – but the reasons for this have nothing to do with his background or size of bank account.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:50 utc | 291

@jinn
And so? As usual, liberal fools focus on the person and not the ideas.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 29 2025 18:52 utc | 292

287 jam
Satoshis’ invention broke the violent bankster cartel in 2009… with voluntary code!
PS I make no comment to say how sincere reform uk is in embracing satoshi… as can be seen by trump et al pushing so-called “stable coins” on the back of satoshis’ success

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 18:57 utc | 293

When people hark to the low birthrate in the west they forget that this has been engineered by the powers that be (whoever they are). Britain has 750000 abortions a year together with the availability of the morning after pill, propaganda against marriage and not having children, together cost of housing and high taxation on families. A ban on abortion would change the birth rate overnight but the polical elite want a pliable mix race population not an awkard native one

Posted by: Monty | Aug 29 2025 18:57 utc | 294

This dishonest commenter avoids the issue of total employment, then quibbles. I looked here for data on real wages https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q What I see there is a median of 375 fourth quarter 2024, during the bacchanalia of illegal immigration.
And what I see for the last figures, under the salvation brought by Trump, is a media of…375. Seriously I couldn’t make this stuff up.
My guess is that this commenter got their talking points from the boss. Onlookers should notice there are no links from this person. This is not an accident I think.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 18:59 utc | 295

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 18:57 utc | 293
Well, I don’t disagree with that, but I don’t see any connection to anything I said. But in any case, I don’t think it’s worth further exchanges

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:02 utc | 296

Jams et al
Which other UK political party, even if ostensibly, is making friendly noises about the anti-totalitarian technology that is satoshis’ invention?!

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:04 utc | 297

https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/08/29/kiev-budapest-warsaw-a-balance-destined-to-worsen/
“This is the blatant failure of Zelensky’s foreign policy. By continuing with his reckless agenda, he is finding himself increasingly alone and isolated. European leaders have no reasonable grounds to support a country that is finished and in ruins, especially now that the U.S. has abandoned the European bloc and Russia is preparing to celebrate victory.”
Another brick in the wall . . .

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 29 2025 19:06 utc | 298

Monty (279).
On the national debt, its more than likely that the rest of Britain would be the successor state and ergo the national debt would reside with it – as for pensions they would continue to be paid for, even though at present Britain has one of the worst state pensions in Western Europe, and the current English government has raised the age limit on receiving a state pension, of course the pension pot was raided by the then PM Gordon Brown, so there is no ringfenced state pension pot, there’s roughly 5 million people in Scotland and 50 million in the rest of Britain, it will be much easier to finance a hopefully better state pension in Scotland with a smaller population, as for welfare, retaining our own assets, and not sending taxes South of the border along with keeping the billions syphoned off from Scotland via smart accounting tricks, would take care of that.
I should add on the dissolution of the illegal union, that Scots make up around 8% of Britain, so around 8% of assets probably immovable assets, should go to Scotland, as Scots have contributed to them.
Also we could rent out Faslane to the English MoD until the find anther suitable docking port for their nukes, or should I say the USA’s nukes, then we have the taking back f the 6,000 sq miles of North sea tranferred to England by the then PM and signed off by the English Queen Elizabeth, in 1999, basically they moved the sea borders to put several oil and gas platforms in English waters, now when you look out at he North sea at Carnoustie Golf Course (well inside Scotland border with England, you are looking at English waters.
https://www.oilofscotland.org/scottish_politics.html#Scotlands_marine_boundries

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 29 2025 19:08 utc | 299

Jams 296
Didn’t you imply reform UK is fascist/totalitarian??
Kinda weird for reform UK to support satoshi then … unless a goal is to malign satoshis good “name” (which seems kinda the case with trump, black rock “involvement “ and “cheerleading “) since satoshi disappeared

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 19:10 utc | 300