Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
August 28, 2025
They Voted For Brexit To Stop Immigration Only To Get More Of It

What good are democracies when the outcome of elections bring the opposite of what voters wish?

In June 2016 the United Kingdom voted for Brexit:

The 2016 United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, commonly referred to as the EU referendum or the Brexit referendum, was a referendum that took place on 23 June 2016 in the United Kingdom (UK) and Gibraltar under the provisions of the European Union Referendum Act 2015 to ask the electorate whether the country should continue to remain a member of, or leave, the European Union (EU). The result was a vote in favour of leaving the EU, triggering calls to begin the process of the country's withdrawal from the EU commonly termed "Brexit".

A main public issue in the run-up to the vote was immigration:

The Brexit vote will be debated for years to come. But the story is straightforward. Propagated by an unlikely pair of effective messengers, Leave's "Take Back Control" message harnessed the motive power of immigration, an emotionally charged issue that had been baked into British psychology long before the vote was called. These immigration fears, not abstract concerns about a "democratic deficit" that required rescuing UK sovereignty from Brussels bureaucrats, do much to explain why Britain voted for Brexit.

Demagogues like Nigel Farage played a key role in this:

The rise of Nigel Farage and the UK Independence Party (UKIP) also played an important role in cultivating this concern among economically left-behind voters. Between 2013 and 2015 UKIP began to mobilise these voters into politics, convincing them that the issues of immigration and the EU were deeply entwined. At the 2016 referendum the vote for Brexit was strongest in areas that had given UKIP strong support two years previously. Had these voters not been galvanised by UKIP then it is unlikely they would have turned out in the numbers that we saw on June 23rd, 2016. Indeed, we also find that if somebody felt anxious over the immigration issue, and economically left behind, they were significantly more likely to vote in the referendum.

It took three and a half years to finally executed the Brexit move. The results following it though were not what people had expected:



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As the Wall Street Journal writes (archived):

The Tories, despite repeatedly promising lower overall immigration levels, soon lost control of the system they designed, triggering the biggest influx of legal migration the country has ever seen. In just one job field, care aides who look after the infirm or elderly, one government forecast assumed some 6,000 migrants a year would come to work. In the space of four years, 679,900 carers and their families arrived, government figures show.

In total, 4.5 million people arrived in Britain between 2021 and 2024, primarily from India, Nigeria and China. One in every 25 people living in the U.K. today came during that four-year window.

In comparison, the U.S. typically averages about one million new lawful permanent residents, or green card holders, a year—to a country with a total population five times the size of Britain’s.

After Boris Johnson, who had campaigned for Brexit, had become Prime Minister he implemented an industry friendly,  extremely liberal immigration policy. Workers from Europe were shunned but everybody else was welcome:

Employers no longer had to try to hire workers from Britain before recruiting from abroad. To acquire a skilled-worker visa, foreign workers weren’t required to have a college degree, they just had to be offered a job with a minimum salary of £25,600, which at the time was 23% below the full-time U.K. median salary.

There were also carve-outs. Firms could sponsor visas in certain sectors, such as construction, where there was an acute shortage of workers, paying them as little as £20,400 a year. And students could come with their families for a one-year master’s course, and stay on for two years after completing their studies. Net migration from the EU went into reverse, and arrivals from elsewhere surged. In 2021, 93,000 people arrived from India. By 2024, that number was 240,000. The number of Nigerian migrants increased fivefold in the same period.

Many arrived with families in tow. In the 12 months ending March 2024, nearly half of all visas were issued to dependents, not workers.

It is thereby not astonishing to find that Farage is back:

This sudden demographic shift, which has come at a time of economic stagnation and piled pressure on Britain’s stretched public services, is roiling the country’s politics. Immigration is now voters’ top concern. Reform UK, which says it would freeze most migration and deport those who arrive illegally, got the most votes of any party in recent municipal elections. The Tories, having lost power last year to the Labour Party, are now a distant third in the polls.

The 61-year-old Farage, long dismissed in Westminster as influential but unelectable, is now being taken seriously as a possible prime minister, though national elections are unlikely before 2029.

I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.

Comments

“I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.” How so? Because you think he’s not sincere, or because his hands will be tied?
Posted by: metamars | Aug 28 2025 14:14 utc | 1
Simply because he adheres to exactly the same neo-liberal policies as the Tories and Labour. Farage himself is an ex-Tory, as are most of his members. Old tories still think like Tories, especially if they’re millionaires.
Put simply : Farage is more of the same, endorsed by the Esthablishment.

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 28 2025 19:59 utc | 101

normalwisdom (99).
You may find this interesting – one must wonder why its happened so many times in history.
“THE
COMPLETE LIST
OF THE
ONE THOUSAND AND THIRTY
JEWISH EXPULSIONS
IN
HUMAN HISTORY”
https://archive.org/stream/TheCompleteListOfThe1030JewishExpulsionsInHumanHistory/The%20Complete%20List%20of%20the%201030%20Jewish%20Expulsions%20in%20Human%20History_djvu.txt

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 28 2025 20:01 utc | 102

Sorry to disagree, B, but most Europeans just refuse to see what is happening to their countries, culture, and all the rest. Replacement due to 3rd world immigration by people who do assimilate, hate the West, and are arriving for the “free stuff” handed out by the elitists’ insane welfare states. Wake up, and see the invasion happening right in front of you….

Posted by: flyingcow | Aug 28 2025 20:01 utc | 103

@ Jane | Aug 28 2025 17:32 utc | 52
it could mean any number of things, but since you’re reluctant to reveal anything of yourself, i would follow you in kind..
roger wrote an article on the afd back in february which i thought was quite informative.. the afd is not all peaches and cream… i think the left is more clearly represented by the party which got just less then 5% in germany – bsw.. i am just putting this out for the poster who was essentially attacking bernard.. i don’t share this posters attitude..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSW_group_(Bundestag)
roger has since changed his settings so you can only read a small part of the article below..
Alice Weidel: Oligarch Tool

you’re welcome, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 28 2025 20:02 utc | 104

Typo
…do NOT assimilate…

Posted by: flyingcow | Aug 28 2025 20:03 utc | 105

Yetanother anon @ 100
No one ever thought farage was a left wing socialist.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 28 2025 20:07 utc | 106

“I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.” How so? Because you think he’s not sincere, or because his hands will be tied?
Posted by: metamars | Aug 28 2025 14:14 utc | 1

Because the over the top dramatics of top level politics in Western countries is entirely theater, on a level no less deceptive than the fictional state depicted in 1984. It is a fiction conceived entirely to have you argue with fellow persons of your own economic class. These who control the debate then dangle a few choice grievances in front of you while you pivot from one faction to another like a fat kid on a leash going from one candy to the next. All the while they implement their agenda,.in the salami style, always ready to sacrifice an unpopular pawn because that’s the whole function. The system is immortal and transcends persons.
If a dark horse outsider candidate somehow gets through, they can stifle them easily enough. Or better, introduce your own fake outsider like Trump, to deceive the simple minded who rightfully beg for change that theyre getting it, for real this time. Promise. Like Charlie Brown and the football, Westerners never wise the fuck up.
Take any example,.and you will find your right of center and left of center parties are just two cheeks of one asshole. They are great pantomime spectacles to mesmerize the working class…and it works a treat dunnit?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 28 2025 20:13 utc | 107

It is very possible that Farage becoming the next UK prime minister would not change a thing.
However, it is disingenuous to lump Farage with all of his predecessors. Johnson, Starmer, Sunak, etc etc are all card carrying members of the UK political establishment and globalists to boot.
Farage is not. He has been persecuted by the UK deep state.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 18:37 utc | 70
Really ? Is that why Farage gets so much press and air time (quite out of proportion to his actual standing – 14% of the vote at the last general election) ?
Farage is a paid up member of the British Esthablishment, a privately educated, millionaire ex-stockbroker, son of a stockbroker. Its difficult to think of anyone more suited to membership of the elite club.
The British Esthablishment seems to have decided that Farage will be the next UK prime minister and are working hard to try to convince us that its a done deal.

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 28 2025 20:16 utc | 108

SLM 61 – Agreed – this coalition government of FG and FF in Ireland has blindly accepted EU quotas of illegal aliens and Ukronazi draft dodgers and their families. In Kilkenny Ukronazi slugs complain about not getting enough dole, instead actually working, and yes crime is up in Kilkenny thanks to the Ukronazis draft dodgers.
In Westport, they sent 1000 Ukronazi “refugees” into the town, creating an immediate crime wave, the news of which Dublin and the Garda surpressed.
FF and FG and crazy Greens (now denutted in the Dail) have now banned chimneys and fireplaces in new homes, and are restricting the sale of turf, even turf from your own farm bog…..complete bonkers crazy BS, all brought to you by FF and FG government.
And yes, censorship is underway in the Irish Republic too, Garda scowering social media for “dangerous social commentary”, while crime in Dublin soars (two dead from attacks in the last week).
Yet another Orwellian state thanks to Mike Martin and Simone Harris……….and their EU masters.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 28 2025 20:22 utc | 109

if it quacks like a nazi and walks like a nazi, it’s a nazi … whether it’s a nazi of slightly more modern plumage.
Posted by: Caliman | Aug 28 2025 19:21 utc | 83
Well that assumes a knowledge of how Nazis quack and walk.
I have not seen nor heard anything Nazi-like from that lesbian gal and that Sorbian dude.
But then, what is a Nazi-like one may ask.
In one of TV shows in Ukraine a guy said that Mila Kunis is not Ukrainian because she is a Jew.
Now THAT is how Nazis talk. And I bet those two AfDs NEVER said anything even close to that.
And BTW, if they were Nazis, Russians would say that, they can smell a Nazi from 5 miles away. But they do not, so, nope.

Posted by: hopehely | Aug 28 2025 20:23 utc | 110

Heres a prediction…
1. Esculating mob violence in the uk streets, the police unable to control it (seemingly)
2. Mass arrests, oh but no room in the prisons, (conveniatly)
3. Not to worry lets put them in army camps on salisbury plain.
4. Long prison sentence or sign up as army cannon fodder.
5. Right on que for the on-comeing war between nato and Russia.
Its all so predictable. fools like lambs to the slaughter.
Note the lack of any left wing. They were already ‘delt with’

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 28 2025 20:23 utc | 111

Did we vote to stop immigration? I don’t think so. I think the main reason was to piss off the Tory government of the time, it was the nly power we had at the time to show how we felt.

Posted by: Barofsky | Aug 28 2025 20:23 utc | 112

Farage could not possibly do a worse job than Rishi and Sir Keir have been doing………WTH.
Billions to fund the EU Soros Ukronazi war, billions more in London bank loans never to be repaired.
UK agents actively supporting a Nazi government in Kieve, and now a target for RF airstrikes in the capital.
A UK military less powerful than Serbia or Croatia – shipyards idle while capital ships are built in the far east.
Fishing rights signed away to the EU without a whim.
Illegal alien criminals over running UK cities and villages………
Massive government debt of 111 billion pounds and increasing every single day.
Agriculture under attack for spreading too much manure.
Massive censorship and religious repression underway by the police.
Steel and power plants shut down and destroyed in detail.
All coal mines closed and sealed.
Utility rates skyrocketing bankrupting retirees and the middle class….
The UK has effectively ceased to exist as an independent state….its a vassal state now of the EU Orwellian fascists………….

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 28 2025 20:31 utc | 113

Farage has close ties with murdoch.
Is in bed with the israelies.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 28 2025 20:38 utc | 114

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 28 2025 19:59 utc | 101
Put simply : Farage is more of the same, endorsed by the Esthablishment.

True. Someone who was not more of the same was Jeremy Corbyn. This isn’t my rose-tinted assessment, it follows from the actions of the establishment to get rid of Corbyn.
Since then it’s been made very clear that voting is pointless: candidates that are slightly off-kilter (Corbyn would’ve been a traditional social democrat sixty years ago) are either removed from the ballot or campaigned away. If push comes to shove, the election results will be cancelled. We’ve seen all of this in recent years in our good old Free Liberal Democratic Europe. It’s a shit show and they’re not even trying to hide it anymore.
Unlike Herbert Marcuse (“Don’t vote because by voting you acknowledge the system.”) I think it’s ok to vote. Just don’t get excited before and after, and don’t expect fundamental change. It won’t happen.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 28 2025 20:45 utc | 115

The fretting over immigration forgets a few key things. Number one is that the UK, without immigration, would have a declining population, and therefore profitable industrial production would become impossible as competition over British wage-workers heated up. There is a surplus of elderly white Britons, and a shortage of young white Britons who want to wipe their asses even with a wage premium. But there’s a lot of Nigerians who want to get the fuck out of Nigeria, and for good reason! Would you want to live in a country that’s facing interminable Islamist insurgency? Which is ecologically in the mire due to oil exploitation by western imperialists, including BP? Better to wipe an old white guy’s ass and get to live in London, which is a much safer place than Lagos.
Now for the Chinese the bargain is a little bit less easy to take. China is developing rapidly even still, and despite their own demographic problems, there are still plenty of people to take care of their elderly and infirm. Is the British political system preferable to the Chinese one? The UK under Starmer has turned into an even bigger police state than what the CPC oversees. You can get arrested for just approving of the actions of a civilly disobedient group protesting the UK-sponsored genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. You’d be better off in Russia where the number and severity of laws is at least offset by the optionality of following them (although you’d be closed off to the sweet financial profits that the City of London brings in).
Another key issue with the immigration fretting is that the immigrants really aren’t the source of a society’s woes, they just make easy scapegoats. Here, the Labour Party is not helping, even as they make it easier to immigrate legally. In the US, it is precisely Latin American immigrants, documented or not, who have been keeping things like home construction not only profitable but affordable for the quite frankly ungrateful white people who vote GOP to curb immigration. Ditto for agriculture. Not only are white workers unwilling to work in those conditions and for that pay (factors that are necessary to keep commodity prices down!) but there’s not enough white workers to go around.
Strict controls on immigration are fundamentally incompatible with a free market, because they make inefficient the most crucial part of the market economy: the labor market. If workers are afraid of declining wages or lost job opportunities, the solution to that is the abolition of the labor market, the institution of a socialist planned economy that provides a minimal, dignified, and high-quality standard of living to all with the resources available to us. If they’re afraid of the loss of “culture”, I’m sorry, but British “culture” is an artefact of the Blitz, Beatlemania, and some decrepit Royal living statues. Much of what’s nice about visiting the UK, especially in the culinary dimension, are products of, well, colonial contact, but also immigration and cross-cultural exchange. People should be free to roam, and even to stay where they please, as long as they can abide by the rules of their community which, crucially, they should be included in drafting, even if just as a single voice. Democratic communities need outside perspectives. Authoritarian conceitedness that we have the best possible system is how you get stuck in the stone age and conquered.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 28 2025 20:47 utc | 116

re. 92 “Has anyone given a deep think to what the elites will do when they no longer need labor?”
They’ve been doing it for generations, mostly poison, of everything; body, mind, and Spirit. It’s a matter of degree. The Rona crime against Humanity jump started ramping up the death.

Posted by: GreatLakesObserver | Aug 28 2025 20:50 utc | 117

A few points :
As I’ve already said, Farage and his latest vanity party are ex-Tories, bankrolled by ex-Tory bankrollers, adhering to exactly the same neo-liberal policies (albeit with extra racism) . So it’d be the same old same old, except nastier.
Despite the disproportionate media coverage he gets, Reform UK only polled 14% in the last general election.
A recent poll claims that if a general election was held today, Reform UK would win … with 28% of the vote – to put that in context, that’s even less than Starmer managed. It also implies that almost three-quarters of the electorate DON’T want them, and despite their claims of carrying all before them, they’ve only increased their vote by 10% (a look at the decrease in the Tory vote tells you where most of them came from).
Now on to practical experience of Reform in power : they won control of several local county councils in May, including the one I live in. Sounds impressive ? They won mine with only 15% of the vote – 65% of the potential electorate abstained for various reasons.
Almost immediately one of their new councillors was disqualified for ignoring election rules. The election in his ward was rerun and Reform lost the seat.
Then a second Reform councillors stood down within a few weeks, alledgedly for “health reasons”. Reform managed to hold that seat, but with a vastly decreased vote.
And this week a third Reform councillor was outed for making overtly racist remarks on social media, and has embarressed the party enough that they may suspend / eject him.
I think all this may be a good indication of what to expect if we had a Reform national government – incompetence, an inability to keep their racism to themselves – this is hardly suprising because to become a Reform candidate, even for parliament, you can nominate yourself via their website – it even says ‘no political experience necessery’.
So what you get is bunch of loudmouths from the pub, who suddenly find themselves in a position of power, but without realising or even understanding that that also brings responsibility and accountability.
Reforms 14% of the vote nationally and 15% locally is probably close to their high water mark. They only really appeal to Tory voters who want freer rein to express their racism, and the extreme far right, for similar reasons. But those are finite depths, and they’ve pretty much plumbed them.
The entry of the proposed new left wing party to the political landscape will shake things up. They wont take votes from Reform, but would give a focus to those of us who have been politically disenfranchised for too long.

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 28 2025 20:51 utc | 118

@Jane | Aug 28 2025 17:32 utc | 52
@Posted by: james | Aug 28 2025 20:02 utc | 104
I changed the setting so you can read all of that article on Alice Weidel and the AfD. They are an extreme neoliberal party, started by a bunch of neoliberal professors (Weidel is a protege of one of them), financed by German oligarchs, who jumped on the immigration issue to appear to be populist. Weidel’s own partner is an Asian immigrant, who she hides away in Switzerland. Same play book as the Nazis who were nurtured and supported by a chunk of the German oligarchy during the 1920s and early 1930s, and then created a war economy that provided massive profits and a compliant workforce to the German oligarchs.
In the recent German election there was a lot of shenanigans that went on in the last couple of weeks to get the BSW below the 5% required for representation in the Bundestag and the miraculous recovery of the fake left Die Linde. Getting the real populist left-wing BSW out of the Bundestag and media coverage removes a real alternative to the fake populist AfD.
Merz’s job is to deliver Germany to the AfD, and Starmer’s job is to deliver the UK to Farage. A firmer more authoritarian and fascist hand will be needed to manage the next level of exploitation of the majority. The AfD and Reform UK may cut immigration levels, as Carney and Trump are doing, but they will simply be closing the gate after the horse has bolted given the mass immigration of the previous decade. In Canada, Carney has turned out to be an extremist neoliberal after which Canada will probably get its own Trump. Macron’s job is to hand over to the National Rally now that the NR has learnt its oligarch-serving role. Meloni has already shown how compliant the fascists can be to the financiers and big business, just like a Mussolini who was a creation of the Italian oligarchy to roll back the post-WW1 concessions to the workers.
Its deja vu time, just like the 1930s with war Keynesianism the oligarch answer together with fascist authoritarianism. This time there will be no New Deal in the US, just oligarch-serving fascism (what happens when oligarch-serving liberalism no longer works) in the US, Canada, UK, France, Germany and Italy. But thankfully, the West is in decline and this will only accelerate that decline.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 20:54 utc | 119

Immigration control is seen as a right-wing cultural issue, and the common-sense, left-wing economic case for controlled immigration mostly goes unmade.
To avoid the working class turning their backs on Labour for good, we must start making the left-wing case for low, controlled migration, before it is too late. (Lancashire Evening Post)

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 28 2025 20:57 utc | 120

De-Europeanizaion of Britain, France,Canada, USA, Australia, etc. is good for the world. Politicians in these countries have been war mongers. When their constituents change due to demographic changes a different set of priorities will emerge. NATO will become a weak union.

Posted by: Jason | Aug 28 2025 20:57 utc | 121

@Posted by: fnord | Aug 28 2025 20:47 utc | 116
Bullshit. The accessibility of cheap foreign workers for employers provides them with incentives to keep wages low and to not invest in productivity, including large swathes of the service economy that are not open to foreign competition (fast food, restaurants, Uber drivers, agriculture, hairdressers, Amazon packers, personal service workers etc.). Productivity is the driver of economic growth and prosperity, and it has collapsed in the countries that have taken to mass uncontrolled immigration in the past decade. Canada and the UK are spectacular cases of this.
China is growing at 5% a year as its labour force has been contracting since 2016, its called productivity growth driven by continuing large investments by the state and private sector. While at the same time maintaining competitive markets (anti-trust etc.) and keeping the rentiers far away from the basics of the economy (state owned “commanding heights” and taking down of the likes of the Ant Group and its founder). All boats are lifted, in this case the majority more than the rich in recent years.
Mass immigration is known to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest as it depresses wages and also drives up property prices and rents, especially when the state has walked away from building new homes. We should be copying China not the utterly failed policies of the Anglo-Saxon world. There is no “free market” in these nations for the monopolistic and oligopolistic corporations and the oligarchy and there is also no such thing as a free labour market, the “free market” is a creation of the state and its nature is controlled by the state. In the West, that state serves the oligarchs and prefers masses of immigrants to drive down wages and keep the population in check. The best time to be a (non-Black) US citizen was during the time of the New Deal and strict limitations on immigration.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 28 2025 19:39 utc | 89
“who in the world kept voting for Nicola Sturgeon? :D”
Beats me. Sturgeon succeeded in her aim – to destroy the Independence movement. She should by rights be hanged for treason – and for her manic pursuit of ‘wokeness’ and money.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 28 2025 21:23 utc | 123

A political aliance between reform and the torys is being openly talked about here in the uk.
So b is correct, thanks b.
Its a shoe in.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 28 2025 21:31 utc | 124

Where to start?
Never mind the stinky Fartage.
Dominic Cummings.
That’s the ground zero.
It all spins around that Great Evil Brains machinations with postal vote fraud.
He also did Covid btw. I’d elaborate but have mentioned to t several times over the years here. Happy to do so again..:

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 28 2025 21:47 utc | 125

Its the 3 shell con game only with political partys, which either one you pick will be empty of what you want to find (the pea)

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 28 2025 21:51 utc | 126

102
the godfather
who did brando the top man the don go 2
why his superior hymen roth as in red shield dragon.
youtube
The Red Dagger Part 1
an interesting tale that repeats nothing new under the sun
and so it goes

Posted by: normal wisdom | Aug 28 2025 22:07 utc | 127

“We are spiraling ever deeper into the rabbit hole, we’re all mad here, beyond the Mad Hatter stage. Welcome to Wonderland!
Posted by: maja | Aug 28 2025 14:15 utc | 2”
In 1900, Europuppies rules the world. A few years later, 1914, they began a series of fratricidal wars, lasting until 1945. We all know the joys of the following Cold War decades.

Posted by: lester | Aug 28 2025 22:10 utc | 128

@Red Star #108
You are presuming that having some money and historical connections means Farage cannot be anything but establishment.
The same could be said of Theodore Roosevelt and well as Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
There is also hard evidence of what I say: Farage was debanked – his accounts at Coutts bank were closed for no apparent reason in June 2023, prompting a lawsuit.
This lawsuit was settled in March 2025.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 22:38 utc | 129

Among the few politically aware peeps I know, none view Reform as our saviours, nor particularly ‘on our side’.
Reform is however a particularly useful platform from which to kick, alternately, both halves of the Uniparty in the nuts. The number of fat, dumb and happy councillors-for-life in previously safe Tory or Labour wards that were unceremoniously deposed at the last local elections was a joy to behold.
Though I myself voted for a local independent, I would gladly lend Reform my vote to see the back of our local safe seat, snivelling party apparatchik MP. We can always boot out the Reform guy next time around.
I find myself favouring Lilburne’s ideas to prevent the emergence of a political class by preventing an individual MP serving consecutive terms in Parliament.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 28 2025 22:50 utc | 130

129
Farage being de-banked is probably why he understands satoshis invention and why reform uk has made friendly noises towards it (but satoshis invention probably doesn’t reform uk in order to continue “succeeding”)

Posted by: L | Aug 28 2025 22:53 utc | 131

Satoshis invention doesn’t *need* reform uk

Posted by: L | Aug 28 2025 22:55 utc | 132

Morgoth hate reads The Guardian

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 28 2025 22:58 utc | 133

Posted by: L | Aug 28 2025 22:53 utc | 131
Satoshi is a sheepdog for CBDCs, as such he and Farage are very much birds of a feather.
Worship at your peril.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 28 2025 23:00 utc | 134

Yes, the Blob owns Canada completely. UK maybe slightly less, US slightly less.
Posted by: seer | Aug 28 2025 15:36 utc | 24
How can the UK be lesser owned than canuckistan when the UK owns canuckistan. It’s what’s called accepted truth in these kinda establishments. Given this what is the blob u talk of? Or am I wrong?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 28 2025 23:04 utc | 135

Western countries are being swamped by migrants, war and economic refugees from Africa and Asia. Muslims will dominate EU countries by 2035. The tide is unstoppable under present policies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceq50zLV9p4
Meanwhile here in Australia the World Wide Socialist Network complains that they can’t get Party listing on Federal ballots. It might have something to with their insane socialist policies which allow for any person anywhere to travel and settle in any country they choose! Just what we need — 200,000 Shri Lankans and 200,000 Indonesians swamping our shores and taking our homes. Don’t worry, say the Socialists, the local workers collectives will regulate it all. Yeah, and pigs might fly! Instead you will have religious or ethnic groups forming their own informal regulatory groups that shut out the locals. The Nation State concept is the only thing protecting against this ideological and demographic insanity. Just ask Poland, Hungary, Italy and Greece what they think.

Posted by: Damien | Aug 28 2025 23:07 utc | 136

If depopulation is the agenda, then coralling people into smaller areas makes total sense.
Just look at what we are witnessing in Gaza.
Pushing people into smaller areas increases tensions and conflicts and creates a breeding ground for hate and violence.
Easy conditions to use media and the usual talking heads to propagate war, which is the most profitable and best opportunity to reset and cull the ‘useless’ eaters.

Posted by: Immegrant | Aug 28 2025 23:16 utc | 137

If depopulation is the agenda, then coralling people into smaller areas makes total sense.
Just look at what we are witnessing in Gaza.
Pushing people into smaller areas increases tensions and conflicts and creates a breeding ground for hate and violence.
Easy conditions to use media and the usual talking heads to propagate war, which is the most profitable and best opportunity to reset and cull the ‘useless’ eaters.

Posted by: Immegrant | Aug 28 2025 23:16 utc | 138

If depopulation is the agenda, then coralling people into smaller areas makes total sense.
Just look at what we are witnessing in Gaza.
Pushing people into smaller areas increases tensions and conflicts and creates a breeding ground for hate and violence.
Easy conditions to use media and the usual talking heads to propagate war, which is the most profitable and best opportunity to reset and cull the ‘useless’ eaters.

Posted by: Immegrant | Aug 28 2025 23:16 utc | 139

Just think: old leftists coming together with patriotic conservatives on the issue of immigration. Not only is it thr right way to go, but my money has always been on the theory that empire’s approach is always a two-prong: rampage abroad, import cheap labor at home.
Scramble any kind of nationalist (read: isolationist) movement by separating the white collar and blue collar sectors (Cantillon’s “flight into luxuries”) until the contradiction is just too huge to ignore and collapses under its own weight.
The problem lies in the future however with the scapegoating of immigrants: I don’t condone violence, but the Cassandra in me has always tried to appeal to anyone who would listen that in rough times, a scapegoat must be found.
Yes, “they must go.”
But, we can’t forget the elite that delivered us to this powderkeg. They will ingratiate themselves to any labor/anti-immigration movement and pretend that they were always on our side.
Here’s a thought. Take all their wealth and invest in a humane deportation process which means policing the drug and human trafficking trade as well.
We are approaching end of cycle. A scapegoat must be found.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 28 2025 23:39 utc | 140

@NemesisCalling #140
Disagree with you on your modern notion of immigration transposed on past empire.
The British empire did not do it.
The Romans did it, but as slaves on latifundia – not in Rome itself.
You are confusing a fairly unsophisticated, very new strategy of creating a class of dependents from which votes can be counted – modeled on the Democrat party and blacks post slavery but transposed onto all manner of other “oppressed” including immigrants – with the general desires of corporations and rich people to have cheaper labor.
And even in these 2 groups – the desires are only somewhat related. Corporations can and do labor for exceptions to existing immigration rules, whereas the middle and upper middle classes just want cheap nannies, gardeners and other “service” people.
Historically, the divisions were pushed wherever they could be exploited. Race was not a factor in the MidWest, for example, outside of cities so divisions were pushed between Scandinavians and South Mediterraneon/Eastern European types, or between the previous wave Italian immigrants vs the newer Irish ones, etc etc.
But what was common among all working class groups in the past was aversion to immigrantsn- because these working class people all knew very well what the new immigrants would be used for: to drive down wages for the existing workers.
This is not scapegoating – this is economic reality.
It is not a coincidence that a million immigrants left the US, legal or otherwise, in the past 6 months and the real wages of native borne American simultaneously went up.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 23:52 utc | 141

Perhaps we should concentrate lees on immigrants and more on equality in law enforcement.
If rapists, and false accusers of same, and those guilty of barbarism, were subject to rigorous penalties, there would be fewer problems.
If non workers lost all benefits, most freeloaders would not come.
By rigorous, I mean up to and including execution and amputation.
Sorry for my xs liberalism…

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 28 2025 23:58 utc | 142

Slightly OT
Strange how culture can change.
When I first visited Kabul, briefly, in the 1970s, the country was liberal, secular socialist with Najibullah brothers in charge, IIRC. Many people were attached to Sufism.
Then came Indian madrasahs, accompanied by Wahhabism and now Taliban. Who were not much different from the Muj, preceding them.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 29 2025 0:03 utc | 143

@141 c1ue
Quickly responding to your first refutation of my thoughts above.
Well, yes and no.
Empires by their nature in establishing commerce with their subjects would open up roads that would bring different peoples into the city walls. Not on a mass scale that is happening currently. This is true.
However, empires DID use their colonies for cheap, exploitative labor for imported goods at a relatively, ridiculous price. This was peak colonialism. It allowed cultural conservatives, nationalists, and patriots their unbroken cultural fabric on the domestic front.
But after the anti-colonial movements of the 20th century, a new method had to be found to satiate the elite’s lust for wealth-from-nothing. Fast forward fifty years and the nationally-tinged elites became transnational, where borders were no longer sacred at all.
“Bring the colony into the gates.” And so they did.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 29 2025 0:05 utc | 144

What good are democracies when the outcome of elections bring the opposite of what voters wish?
It is thereby not astonishing to find that Farage is back:
I doubt that voting for Farage would change a thing.
AND
“Demagogues like Nigel Farage”
Translation, he does not share my political views…therefore he/she [insert ad hominem here]. Sad that. Why argue against the man, why not state clearly what policies of his you dislike then, argue what you would do instead?
Final question; do you think you’d ever call a Green Party leader like Roderic O’Gorman a demagogue…a fascist…a racsist or, any number of derogatives as the opening sentence to a paragraph without offering any evidence within the paragraph?
AND
Where’s MOA’s beloved “Writing-Critique-Guild” when you actually need them?
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 28 2025 15:36 utc | 23
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It’s permanently no where to be found. Whenever it arises it gets shouted down by trolls and eventually banned. The political and cultural analysis and nuance is always as deep as a saucer here. Starting at the top obviously. It’s the equivalent of asking ChatGPT to list several news items extracts on X topic. And the crowd rises in great applause at the brilliance of it all. Every “article” by b follows that basic template and then almost all play along. But will never admit it’s that crass.

Posted by: Bernardo Paratore | Aug 29 2025 0:13 utc | 145

@ c1ue re: the scapegoating process versus economic theory or natural aversion to interloping laborers
I don’t believe that letting in that many immigrants occurs as a natural phenomenon of economic theory.
Just like Marx’s take on economics is incorrect for the reason that moving across a border to work is not a free-flowing enterprise.
In every instance, a decision is made: one by the migrant knowing he is breaking the sacred law of the nation he is imposing himself upon and another by the gatekeeper, the elites who decide on border policy.
The elites knew what they were doing but they chose to do it anyway.
The elites played necromancy in their NAFTAs, in their TPP, and their business in SE Asia. Obscene wealth poured in as a result and it appeared that a rising tide was lifting all boats.
But we all know the score now. We were sold down the river.
Now here come the elites, the CIA mouthpieces like Tucker Carlson saying, yeah, “It’s the browns!”
The scapegoating process usually requires someone or something that is good at sleight of hand. Girard’s thinking on the subject in his interpretation of Appolonius of Tyana is instructive regarding the power of an elite to sway a mob:

The second text I want to discuss is exactly what we need. It is thoroughly pagan. It portrays the actual stoning of an old beggar in the city of Ephesus. This horrible deed is supposed to have been instigated by Apollonius of Tyana, a famous spiritual leader of the second century A.D., a kind of guru we might say. Pagan circles found his “miracles” superior to those of Jesus.
The most spectacular of these, undoubtedly, is the Ephesus stoning. Whereas Jesus cured only one individual at a time, Apollonius is supposed to have cured the entire city with one single trick which turns out to be the stoning of that poor beggar. The account of this collective murder takes up a whole chapter in The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, a book authored by Philostratus, a third century Greek writer of some merit:
When the plague began to rage in Ephesus, and no remedy sufficed to check it, they sent a deputation to Apollonius, asking him to become physician of their infirmity; and he thought that he ought not to postpone his journey, but said: “Let us go.” And forthwith he was in Ephesus,…. He … called together the Ephesians, and said: “Take courage, for I will today put a stop to the course of the disease.” And with these words he led the population entire to the theatre, where the images of the Averting god had been set up. And there he saw what seemed an old mendicant artfully blinking his eyes as if blind, and he carried a wallet and a crust of bread in it; and he was clad in rags and was very squalid of countenance. Apollonius therefore ranged the Ephesians around him and said: “Pick up as many stones as you can and hurl them at this enemy of the gods.”

The scapegoat is usually entirely innocent of the charges against them. And who can blame migrants wanting a better life? The solution lied and still lies in the American People rejecting what the elites envisioned for us a long time ago when they stripped our borders of meaning and uprooted everyone into their global colony.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 29 2025 0:25 utc | 146

134 chatnpc
Oooh, tough guy! You going to de-bank me?!

Posted by: L | Aug 29 2025 0:33 utc | 147

China is growing at 5% a year as its labour force has been contracting since 2016, its called productivity growth driven by continuing large investments by the state and private sector. While at the same time maintaining competitive markets (anti-trust etc.) and keeping the rentiers far away from the basics of the economy (state owned “commanding heights” and taking down of the likes of the Ant Group and its founder). All boats are lifted, in this case the majority more than the rich in recent years.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122
Using China as the example for endless growth across the rest of the world, ends up in one place- utter global dysfunction the end of available resources to support such an economic madness, explosive climate change impacts and eventually the massive sustained collapse in population to sub 1 billion before 2100.
Immigration is irrelevant, at the end of the day. If anything it brings the end forward in time marginally sooner. The result is the same.
One sample insight of thousands the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5z5R6xqEG0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiilZm8l-T0
Jack Alpert on Civilizations Predicament and Its Unwinding Behavior
Bottom line? The UK is screwed no matter what anyone does. As is b’s Germany. Europe will go down before the global south does who are much more self-sufficient from practice. Already they are right out of available energy just to sustain themselves, and soon that will not be enough. Once energy and food imports are cut, the end is nigh for it. Immigrants or not.

Posted by: Bernardo Paratore | Aug 29 2025 0:33 utc | 148

From all that I saw about the the British support for Brexit, as long as the migrants are not Poles or other Eastern Europeans, they should be happy with this reported outcome of Brexit. Certainly the infirm who rely on care givers must be.
Farage, like so many ethnic nationalists in the States, is a descendant of migrants.

Posted by: Keme | Aug 29 2025 0:48 utc | 149

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122 If one remember that the Great Depression was ongoing, the confidence that the Black population was doing well needs some additional work. I would suggest that the rise of labor unions and WWII’s full employment economy had a lot to do with it. As for the value of restricted immigration, that was done in 1924 and the positive effects for labor in general and Blacks in particular are the opposite of what our geopolitician tells us. Those were the years of the KKK, albeit in decline from scandals and the gradual discovery that Prohibition was actually unpopular. As is, the anti-immigrant movement is a rightwing movement, expressing a deep hostility to workers. Rich foreigners are not precisely welcome, but they’ll be bigshots no matter how much hoi polloi grumble. Personally I would prefer immigration controlled by the principle, the union card is your green card. Even better, a Party card is your green card?

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 0:50 utc | 150

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 28 2025 19:17 utc | 81 I don’t know the statistics for UK or details of the tax system. But I suspect that it has the same effect as in the US, that immigrants do contribute to government revenue and very likely their cheap labor supports a number of businesses and provides essential services. My general principle, people who work are contributing, and they deserves respect. Mindless hatemongering degrades both the speaker and the listener.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 0:56 utc | 151

Tucker is hardly a CIA asset unlike David Ignatius for the WPO…..give me a break.
Have you ever even listened to a Tucker podcast?
He rales against the CIA, the Mossad, the IDF and Ukronazis (who he declares are scam artists).
He names Volo as an anti Christian. He actually interviewed VVP and Orban.
WTH dont you understand about that…….????

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 0:58 utc | 152

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 28 2025 19:48 utc | 95 The idea that those protesters were the so-called Deep State is preposterous. You are a joke, don’t invite attention.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 1:00 utc | 153

Now the working classes are obsolete
They’re surplus to society’s needs
So let ’em all kill each other
And get it made overseas
Well, feed your children on crayfish and lobster tails
Find a school near the top of the league
In theory I respect your right to exist
But I’ll kill ya if ya move in next to me
Ah, it stinks, it sucks, it’s anthropologically unjust
Oh, but the takings are up by a third, oh so
C*nts are still running the world
C*nts are still running the world
Jarvis Cocker – Running the World

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 29 2025 1:02 utc | 154

@ Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 20:54 utc | 119
thanks.. fascinating commentary and i can’t rule out any of the possibilities or probabilities listed.. your commentary @ 122 is also quite interesting.. it looks that way to me, but i have never made a study of it, other then in my own subjective way..

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2025 1:08 utc | 155

I as I have written many times, it was Socrates that we know through Plato who first perceived the flaw in ancient Athenian democracy where it all started. He claimed demagogues would destroy it, and nothing has changed since then except people refer to them more often as ‘populists’ these days. It is why many ancient Athenians actually thought a benevolent dictator was often a better form of governance. The only problem is that dictators often seize power and are not necessarily benevolent.
Yet 2500 years later democracy is choked full of populists pushing fake issues designed to emote voters into voting for their prejudices, or offers of a quick sugar hit, or a miraculous cure to all problems – if they are in fact elected. We are also now seeing how in some countries – ones that the West considers lacking in freedom and libertarian views – that benevolent ‘dictators’ are in fact more capable of advancing the economies and needs of the people, far more than corrupted liberal democracies.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 1:08 utc | 156

The UK and Ireland are a mess….two dysfunctional governments, unable to even defend themselves.
Pathetic in every way, a woke, socialist monstrosity, instituting censorship, disarming citizens, repressing Catholics and other Christians while pushing the LGBTq+++++++++ agenda, crushing farmers and fishermen under absurd regulations, debt ridden.
Its the all knowing eleists far leftees in Dublin and London that are crushing their economies……..pathetic.
Connor Mc Gregor for President, screw the socialists……..and fascists

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 1:10 utc | 157

Ban check.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 29 2025 1:12 utc | 158

It’s been a while since a Roger Boyd comment caught my eye because, unlike other faux Marxists like Ahenobarbus or William Gruff, Roger Boyd is smarter about letting the mask slip.

We should be copying China not the utterly failed policies of the Anglo-Saxon world.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122

As I’ve mentioned before, I’m extremely cautious about people who praise China’s achievements because many of them are fascists who wants to claim these achievements in the name of fascism. Roger Boyd is one of these people.

Mass immigration is known to transfer wealth from the poorest to the richest as it depresses wages and also drives up property prices and rents, especially when the state has walked away from building new homes.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122

Strange to see the supposed “Marxist” Roger Boyd blame the immigrant for the state’s failure to build housing. Marxism would advocate for overthrowing the bourgeois government and replacing it with a state centered on the proletariat, which would go on a housing building spree as many communist states have done, resolving the property affordability crisis.
And when Roger Boyd says that immigration transfers wealth from the poorest to the richest, who does Roger Boyd have in mind for “the poorest”? Definitely not the poor immigrants. It’s the poor labor aristocrat that Roger Boyd sympathizes with, the poor house slave whose position is being threatened when the master brings in a field slave. Roger Boyd desires to kick the field slave out so that he could have the master’s affection all to himself, when he could’ve conspired with the field slave to seize the master’s house for themselves.
One should also keep in mind that Roger Boyd opposes mass immigration despite being a product of a settler colony where Europeans displaced the Indigenous people of North America en masse, and at the same time Roger Boyd has the gall to also oppose the Land Back movement that intends to allow the Indigenous people reclaim sovereignty over North America.

The accessibility of cheap foreign workers for employers provides them with incentives to keep wages low and to not invest in productivity
There is no “free market” in these nations for the monopolistic and oligopolistic corporations and the oligarchy and there is also no such thing as a free labour market, the “free market” is a creation of the state and its nature is controlled by the state. In the West, that state serves the oligarchs and prefers masses of immigrants to drive down wages and keep the population in check.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122

According to Roger Boyd, in a free market, too many workers (supply) drive down wages due to a limited number of positions (demand).
At the same time, Roger Boyd also believes that the market isn’t free because the oligarch-led state imposes its will upon the market, so the market won’t respond to supply and demand changes, and the market outcomes will always favor capitalists.
Both positions cannot be true at the same time. This is a logical (not dialectical) contradiction.
Regardless, it’s extremely telling that Roger Boyd’s first instinct is to eliminate potential rivals in the labor market instead of advocating for a greater share of the surplus value appropriated by capitalists to be distributed among the pool of laborers that has grown in size due to the influx of immigrants. If getting rid of immigrants doesn’t move the needle on wages—there’s already a history of corporations offshoring work and threatening to replace service workers with electronic kiosks—what then? Would you go for racial and sexual minorities next as a group to be excluded from the labor pool? Women? Old people?
How many groups of people need to be sacrificed in order to satisfy Roger Boyd’s quest to appease the capitalists?
My next comment will talk about Roger Boyd’s extremely distorted view of the Chinese development model.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 29 2025 1:13 utc | 159

On China’s political economy:
Socialism in China is known as “Socialism with Chinese characteristics” because it’s adapted to China’s unique material conditions. China was and remains besieged on all sides by capitalist powers, and China needs to find a path to industrialize and build itself back up in a capitalist world trade system after many devastating years of being semi-colonized.
The West’s material conditions are diametrically opposed to China’s. The West was built on colonial loot and still extracts tribute via financial colonialism. Emulating China without accounting for this key material difference is un-Marxist, but then Roger Boyd was never Marxist, just a very cunning and deceptive fascist.
The social compact for China’s reform and opening up under Deng was 先富带动后富, “[o]ur policy is to let some people and some regions get rich first, in order to drive and help the backward regions, and it is an obligation for the advanced regions to help the backward regions.” You can see Xi carrying Deng’s spirit with projects such as rural revitalization (rural areas in China are poorer than the cities so infrastructure construction in rural areas are prioritized) and dual circulation (increasing domestic consumption only works if the earnings of the poor can catch up to those who are better off). Now imagine if Xi had reneged on Deng’s promise. Imagine if the CPC suddenly declares that it will only focus on developing big tier 1 cities like Shanghai and at the same time close off tier 1 cities from migrant laborers. The CPC-led government will be toppled overnight.
If Roger Boyd insists that the West should emulate China, then the proper way to do it is to pour the West’s resources into building up the developing countries with no strings attached. The West became developed countries as a result of exploiting the developing world, so it is time to fulfill the obligation of helping these backward regions. 先富带动后富
The Chinese model suddenly doesn’t look so appealing to Roger Boyd anymore, I bet.
Roger Boyd dreams the MAGA dream of a Fortress America, except with socialist-sounding buzzwords thrown in. Roger Boyd’s election slogan, if they let a Canadian wannabe-American run in an American presidential election, would be: “Make America Great Again, just like it was under FDR with the New Deal.” FDR managed to stave off the threat of socialism and allow capitalism to persist by giving just enough concessions to American workers. Unsurprising that Roger Boyd looks upon the New Deal with rose-colored nostalgic lenses*.
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
*Regarding nostalgia for FDR, from Samir Amin’s The Return of Fascism in Contemporary Capitalism:

The proclamation of the supposed necessity of returning to the (“medieval”) past, of submitting to the state religion or to some supposed characteristic of the “race” or the (ethnic) “nation” make up the panoply of ideological discourses deployed by the fascist powers.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 29 2025 1:22 utc | 160

Posted by: Red Star | Aug 28 2025 20:16 utc | 108 Speaking as a foreigner, I know that Brexit has been administered by Tories for much the longer part of the time it’s been in effect. And that SirKeir Starmer is an official oppressor of the people. Elections do matter, it’s better for the people at large if the factions of the ruling class settle their dispute with displays of popular support (sometime we even get concessions, mild reforms) than with death squads and dictatorship. Pending the socialist state, we should keep the bourgeois state, it’s strategically better for us than a fascist state. Whether Farage is a would-be fascist I don’t know. Apologists for Trump who appear to favor Trump because of his fascist proclivities seem to like Farage, but that not enough for me to be certain of anything except obviously Farage is personally repellent to me.
Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 20:54 etc | 119

Its deja vu time, just like the 1930s with war Keynesianism the oligarch answer together with fascist authoritarianism. This time there will be no New Deal in the US, just oligarch-serving fascism (what happens when oligarch-serving liberalism no longer works) in the US, Canada, UK, France, Germany and Italy. But thankfully, the West is in decline and this will only accelerate that decline.

Yes, the oligarchs as a whole benefit, for a while, until the war is lost. And if they win, then the fascist regime can go on for decades. Fascism generally appears after a massive defeat discredits the old ruling class. Thus it serves as a means of mobilizing a modernized polity that has mass elections and so on for war. The vast majority of its repression is aimed against labor but the needs to discipline the whole society for war demands that even some oligarchs must toe the line, if they’re lucky. Now the thing about a fascist regime is that it is fundamentally irrationalist. Fascism is indeed a morbid symptom of defeat. Now it’s good that our geopolitician has noticed that the so-called West is trending fascist. What is not good is the crazy idea that WWIII will look like WWII. I say WWIII will be a hybrid war, which has already started. And I say that when hybrid warfare doesn’t succeed then general warfare may succeed. Unlike the geopolitician, I say there is no radioactive mode of production. Applauding the fascists because, accelerationism!, is not only nuts, but fundamentally right wing in my judgment.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 22:38 utc | 129 Dirty tricks among the ruling class are quite common. It’ll take more than this ragebait to make it clear Farage is a man of the people. As to the other comment about TR and FDR, I think the notion Tr really was a great man of the people needs a lot more argument. FDR worked with Communists and Socialists, when Farage works with the real left, I’ll sit up and pay close attention.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 1:26 utc | 161

Before elections, the purpose of the venal main stream media is to make people think there is a wide difference between the two major political parties they can vote for in Western democracies. The two major parties act as if they are enemies to reinforce that view.
After elections the purpose of the newly elected government is to continue the same old mono-party’s agenda and policies, and forget any difference they had offered as policies during the election campaign.
The people then get blamed for, and fight against each other over, not voting for the correct party, even though there was actually no choice in the first place. Suckers.
You can fool some of the people all of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can also fool many people all of the time before an election, especially about who is really winning in a so called democracy – and it ain’t ‘the people’.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 1:28 utc | 162

England lives off stolen money from Pakistan , India. Arab countries and russia. english pirates call it financial services which really is money laundering. therefore impoverished 3rd world public is forced to emigrate hence refugee crisis created by UK parasites .
London is the main centre of money laundering in the world and England lives off stolen wealth coming from 3rd world through the oligarchs who are invited by thieving British to deposit stolen( from non Anglo nations) money in British tax havens, run from London .
The English strategy is to involve others like usa and even Europeans to destabilise other nations through any means so that leader of such nations will flee with stolen money to london on which depends the money laundering economy of enlgand –real pirate which must be killed now.
The strategy has always been to make countries unstable and ungovernable. Subjected to internal/external conflict/aggression till they are weakened to accept handing over effective power, control to the new world criminals. You only have to look at the template being used in various countries in the world,

Posted by: sam | Aug 29 2025 1:36 utc | 163

All thieves from world over get invitation by British state to bring stolen money to London which is centre of money laundering .thriving English call it service or “financial services. That causes impoverished population to leave their looted country.
The global money laundering system Britain put in place as its colonies dwindled is the core element of its new Empire. It consists of a string of tax havens around the world operating with London [ Images ] as a global hub. The system now caters to all sorts of criminals, ranging from super-rich tax evaders and corporate bigwigs hiding the proceeds of mispricing of trade to mafiosi engaged in garden variety organised crime.
The tax haven system washes an estimated $2 trillion annually into the “legitimate” world economy. According to a recent report from Washington-based Global Financial Integrity, an NGO headed by a former World Bank economist, it also drained about $6 trillion out of poor countries over the last decade. Adding up the estimates made by a number of experts indicates that the total of illicit assets in tax havens is some $30 trillion, double the GDP of the United States.

Posted by: Sam | Aug 29 2025 1:38 utc | 164

Brexit exposed the sublimation of the UK to the unelected power base that is the EU. Successive UK governments have colluded with the EU to punish any spirit of dissent, bringing the country to its knees. Starmer is dealing the final blow. Farage had his moment. Perfidious Albion.

Posted by: Kula | Aug 29 2025 1:45 utc | 165

Socrates .. claimed demagogues would destroy ..[democracy]
<= IMO, Socrates failed, to make clear the reason for the nearly universal failure.. of bottom up power vs top down power.. I believe the reason to be information supremacy.. whenever those who rule can keep those who follow from knowing, participating and being involved sufficiently to have relatively the same knowledge and relatively the same information and relatively the same experiences that generated that knowledge and information, the bottom up forces always lose because they are denied access to the behaviors that could have kept them informed.
Many adjectives divide Democracy: information democracy, legal democracy, educational democracy, opportunity democracy, access democracy. and so on.. information and knowledge differentials create these different types of democracies.
An immigrant with an IQ of 130 and no education cannot easily compete with an educated IQ = 90 resident in a high density population environment (like a city).
A worker cannot participate in the decision processes that determine political outcomes because he or she is at work..
The Internet when it first came out threatened the security inherent in superior knowledge and participative experience enjoyed by those who were in charge.. hence 24/7 surveillance. access denial..and disinformation etc.

Posted by: snake | Aug 29 2025 1:51 utc | 166

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 28 2025 23:52 utc | 141 https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/ It tells me nominal wage growth in January this year was 4.0%. The most recent available here giver 3.9%. People looking will see that there was much higher growth rates, peaking at 5.7% in March 2022. (I would venture to say, the Covid checks caused this, by making it much easier to hold out for a better job, especially for the lowest paid workers. No wonder Biden was so eager to wind them up (even if half of the money in Payroll Protection ended up going to businesses!)
Knowing the dishonesty of this commenter, I also went here https://www.statista.com/statistics/193953/seasonally-adjusted-monthly-civilian-labor-force-in-the-us/ According to this, the labor force rose rapidly from Dec. 2024, peaking at 170.74 million in January 2025. Under the glorious regime of the tin God Trump, labor force so far has peaked at 171.14 million, back in April. The last figure available shows a drop to 171.38 million. Frankly the notion that the million who left are responsible the one million drop (all the decrease is due to deportation?) and that is responsible for the more or less static wage rate growth is not supported by any statistics. I venture that this commenter merely copied fake talking points from some Trumpist organ.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 1:52 utc | 167

Ireland now more than ever needs a populist like DJT.
Connor McGregor is the perfect choice if you want an all holds bared fistfight for the Presidency of Ireland instead of the normal installation of globalists selling out to the EU Orwellians.
A self made brawler from the Dublin docks area who has amassed a fortune of half a billion dollars solely on his ability to take and give a punch, and an excellent investment in Irish whiskey.
The last thing Ireland needs is the feminized EU Dublin vassals from the FF, FG and the wacky Greens running the government.
Open up the Galway and South Cork offshore oil and gas fields, resume generating your own power instead being dependent like the “Fury Road” on the tit of EU power cords………cut taxes on the middle class, free the farmers and fishermen from government over reach, and reach a separate trade deal with US. The EU trade deal will destroy the Irish economy, make your own deal with DJT…..he even own property in the Republic!
Throw the EU hacks over board for gosh sakes.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 2:00 utc | 168

Trump has very close ties to Farage so it is natural that he would praise him. Steve Bannon was Trump’s White House chief strategist in 2017 and Chairman of Breitbart News prior to that. Breitbart London’s first managing editor and its future editor in chief was a guy called Raheem Kassam, hired away from a radically conservative UK think tank called the Henry Jackson Society. His four years at the HJS involved ratcheting up public anxieties about Islamic radicals in particular and Muslims in general. Kassam stepped down from Breitbart London in October 2014 to become a senior adviser to Nigel Farage. Trump’s policy settings of anti-Muslims and an aggressively independent US foreign policy matches the anti-Islam and Brexit stance of Nigel Farage. According to the Mueller Report, an ally of Nigel Farage was asked to obtain secret information from WikiLeaks for Donald Trump’s team during the 2016 election campaign. Oh yes, they’re close.
https://tinyurl.com/TrumpUK222

Posted by: Damien | Aug 29 2025 2:13 utc | 169

Socrates .. claimed demagogues would destroy ..[democracy]
<= IMO, Socrates failed, to make clear the reason for the nearly universal failure.. of bottom up power vs top down power.. Posted by: snake | Aug 29 2025 1:51 utc | 166 You are welcome to your views and analysis Snake, but the point about demagogues was simply reiterated by B above, and a salient point made in the early days of Athenian democracy. The facts are we will never fully know what Socrates did and said since it was all recorded by his student Plato, Socrates wrote down nothing. He was however executed for influencing the minds of the young people who listened to him against those powerful people in Athens who sought to corrupt democracy in his day. So he very likely said and knew a lot more than we can ever know. He was offered a sentence of being ostracized instead of execution but chose the later, so I think he must have felt very strongly that Athenian democracy was already well and truly compromised and was prepared to die for it. Comparing today's sad excuse for democracy to ancient Athens's version is difficult/complex as well because there is little that remains the same from the original version of direct democracy apart from name only.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 2:16 utc | 170

The UK and US Right have extensive links aimed at overtaking the political landscape in both countries. A pressure group called Atlantic Bridge was founded in 1997 intended to build and maintain the economic and military links fostered by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher. In 2007 the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) set up a US non-profit called the Atlantic Bridge Project, in order to “foster positive relationships between conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic.” Atlantic Bridge fell into disprepute in 2011 after its head and then UK Defense Secretary Liam Fox was found to have been implementing a “shadow foreign policy” involving corporate lobbyists and military contractors using dark money donated to Bridge in its legal role as a charity. Understand, this is high level conservatives on both sides of the Atlantic running covert foreign and domestic policy changes in tandem.
Atlantic Bridge returned in 2016 with key Conservative players working seamlessly together to back Donald Trump: Steve Bannon, Raheem Kassam, Nigel Farage, Liam Fox, Jeff Sessions, Sen Jim DeMint and Robert Mercer. Organizations aside from ALEC included the Heritage Foundation, Cambridge Analytica, UKIP and the Henry Jackson Society, a UK right wing anti-Islam think tank. The extent of these conservative political links, which continue to this day, is truly staggering. The UK and US hard Right are linked and of a common mind to own US and UK governments totally. Remember, Steve Bannon was a major supporter of the Jan 6 2021 attack on the US Congress. Voting rights mean nothing to these people. Political control is everything.
https://tinyurl.com/AtlanticBridge222
Farage supported Brexit in order to “liberate the people” from the EU.
Now he wants to “liberate the people” from migrants taking jobs.
In reality, he has only ever been interested in the neoliberal looting of the national economy.

Posted by: Damien | Aug 29 2025 2:17 utc | 171

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 29 2025 1:22 utc | 160

[o]ur policy is to let some people and some regions get rich first, in order to drive and help the backward regions, and it is an obligation for the advanced regions to help the backward regions. The PRC doesn’t devote many resources to helping other countries behind it, not even socialist ones like Cuba or Venezuela. And it is fairly hostile to DPR Korea and Vietnam. But let’s concede for a moment that PRC has not socialist imperative to help other socialist countries to fight imperialism. The oft-stated goal is for multipolarity and win-win relations. It is for fair trade and proper respect. A socialist US government can devote its resources to rebuilding the poor, backward region and engage in fair trading. The PRC claims it is not even interested in conquering the US and exacting reparations from its people, unlike you.
The indigenous people held their title to the lands they lived in by right of conquest, where they defeated other nations. The empire centered on Cahokia disintegrated. But no other indigenous nation owes it anything (and nor do European settlers.)
In general I do not believe in either collective guilt or collective virtue. Hereditary collective guilt or collective virtue is even more dubious.
But you are more or less right about Roger Boyd.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 29 2025 2:25 utc | 172

One theory in Australia is that mass immigration has the end point of destroying private property ownership in favour of corporate owned rental properties. Local laws are being changed to raise land taxes and impose expensive green criteria to eventually make home ownership too expensive. Likewise corporate builders receive big tax breaks for their rental complexes. WEF own nothing and be happy.
It is much more involved, however the foundations are definitely being laid. Likewise aboriginal land claims are owned through corporate structure as well, who really controls these? Certainly not poor Aboriginals.
Woke in ALL its aspects was always a globalist vehicle for control, never about equity, diversity or the planet.

Posted by: Organic | Aug 29 2025 2:27 utc | 173

Why expect anything else? Of cource Boris, et al. are huge hypocrites.

Posted by: lester | Aug 29 2025 2:41 utc | 174

The surge in illegal immigration into Ireland and the UK is very similar to what occurred in the US under the Biden/Obama group.
Whether its the Martin/Harris coalition government in Ireland or a Rishi or Sir Keir government in the UK, the results are the same. Massive waves of illegals pouring into these nations destabilizing the citizenry, and the culture and functioning of these nations. Its really a coup against the citizenry.
In the US under the Biden/Obama regime deliberately opened the border to millions of illegal alien, an estimated 21 million illegals. This was really an attempted coup of the Republic. This wave was intended to over whelm state authorities and create conditions for a permanent assumption of the power by the group.
The election of DJT ended this attempted permanent coup. The determined effort now underway to scoop up these illegals and deport them is really the attempt to counter the coup. Of course the far left group leaders are now raging against the strong enforcement surge only reinforces the fact that their coup plans are now in tatters.
And you wonder if the 2020 election was rigged? All part of the globalist vision of one world government.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 29 2025 2:46 utc | 175

… maybe someone will impregnate their ugly daughters and give them grandchildren, even if it is from rape by some rootless failures …
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 28 2025 15:16 utc | 20
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But how would that work? I thought ‘The Stork’ and the ‘Cabbage Patch’ – if not ‘The Immaculate Conception’ – had all been debunked.

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 29 2025 2:58 utc | 176

resist, refuse, revolt

Posted by: g wiltek | Aug 29 2025 2:58 utc | 177

@ chedolf # 8:
‘A “German” who is complacent about his government’s efforts to ban that country’s most popular political party (AfD) is upset that British politicians nullify their own constituents’ votes. German leftists are braindead.’
I assume that the scare quotes are meant to express that a German who does not support the Nazis and parties originating from them isn’t a true German? That’s just the kind of thing the original Nazis used to say, too.
@ tobias cole # 13
‘The UK no longer really exists…… Catholics arrested for praying in public …’
Ahem, when the UK was founded, Catholicism was basically illegal in it. If Catholics really were repressed, that would just mean that the UK was faithful to its roots, not that it had ‘ceased to exist’. That said, I suppose that this is, again, whining about some bible thumpers not being allowed to engage in passive-aggressive harassment of women who are having abortions? At least be honest and call it a protest, not a prayer – if the point had been just communicating with ‘God’, they could have, and indeed should have, just prayed alone at home, as their own holy book explicitly enjoins them to do (Matthew 6:6). IMO, women going through abortions have a hard enough time physically and emotionally as it is, and they shouldn’t be forced to deal with this nonsense, too.

Posted by: F. Foundling | Aug 29 2025 3:08 utc | 178

Posted by: Organic | Aug 29 2025 2:27 utc | 173
I agree, and these are always the populist often ‘talk back radio’ subjects too.
Same for raising the price of houses and land. It is always some other group’s fault except for those that profit the most.
I have never met an Australian that doesn’t want to buy a house for the best price possible if a lower price can be brokered. Equally I have never met an Australian that doesn’t want the maximum price possible when they sell their house. So if you buy a house for the first time, you instantly shift your position. Same for those who can afford a second or more house to rent out to someone else and get negative gearing.
But house price rises and rental housing shortages are usually blamed on some other minority group other than so called ‘Ozzies.’

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 3:15 utc | 179

Equally I have never met an Australian that doesn’t want the maximum price possible when they sell their house.
Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 3:15 utc | 179
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Hello George. Pleased to meet you!
My wife and I recently sold a house for considerably under market value to a lovely young family who were complete strangers (then!) whose needs were greater than ours.
Maybe not ‘normal’, but hopefully not unique…

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 29 2025 3:35 utc | 180

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 29 2025 3:35 utc | 180
That is a very kind/noble thing to do, but it is rare, you and your wife would be an exception compared to many other Australians.
Also my larger argument is that it is often other groups such as immigrants, the Chinese, international students (rental accommodation) etc. that raise house prices yet I would still argue that Australians themselves of all backgrounds are largely responsible for house price rises and lack of fair-priced rental housing.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 3:52 utc | 181

I should have said: “it is often other groups such as immigrants, the Chinese, international students (rental accommodation) etc. that are blamed for the raise of house prices”

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 3:55 utc | 182

Neoliberalism is a hollow religion. Neoliberalism is a religion without god or holy book. There is no culture, tribe, race, god, or country in neo-liberalism. There are no morals. Industry is not a question of providing a livelyhood for the people; but rather the question of what gives more profit: making it here, or having it made elsewhere. Immigration then becomes the question what is cheapest: raising your own, or outsourcing childbirth. In neoliberalism, war is not an ethical question, but a business case. When Victoria Nuland tells us Washington has spent $5 billion to “subvert ukraine”, she is merely informing us there is a good business case.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 29 2025 3:58 utc | 183

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 29 2025 3:58 utc | 183
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Someone said (paraphrasing) that in the absence of a belief in God, men will make other things God. There is a socket in our minds that faith plugs into.
We can fill it with ideology, nationalism, scientism, sportsball, whatever, but that need for something to believe in will be filled one way or the other.
In a world that has rejected the divine, all that is left is people pursuing their material ends at all costs. Humans are terrible moral instructors for ourselves, and the ones who “rise” to the top aren’t exactly interested in what is good for the species.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2025 4:24 utc | 184

@ George | Aug 29 2025 3:55 utc | 182
speculation, a key part of financial capitalism is what ”raises” house prices.. it’s been a nice ride for the speculators the past 30 or more years… the idea of everyone having a basic need for housing has been put very secondary to the casino approach to life in our present system… i do hope we come back to reality and look after people and the needs of people as opposed to the frivolous needs of the speculators.. of course the money class are in the most advantageous position, as are those families who got in on the ground level with huge property ownerships… stacked deck… i hope the future is better for all, as opposed to what it is at present.. my 2c..

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2025 4:40 utc | 185

@ Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 28 2025 21:14 utc | 122
There’s no decoupling China’s manufacturing success from US demand and consumption, and the US cannot produce what China does profitably owing to a lack of foreign markets to sell to and a substantially higher organic composition of capital (and you can’t just reverse the high OCC by switching to a more exploited labor force anymore, that’s exactly what US capital did with offshoring to China and that card can only be played once, and certainly not domestically, as it would imply exactly what’s bemoaned about immigration, (the possibility of even if not the actuality of) declining real wages). If that causes economic turmoil, as it is beginning to now in the United States, that could just as likely mean an increase in the intensity of inter-imperialist conflicts, especially as the US might try to cut its largest and most powerful economic rival to size while it still has a chance.
This kind of right-tailing doesn’t do the left any good and is poisonous to global labor solidarity. While we have to respond to these concerns as they emanate from the working class itself, they have to be addressed in such a way as to build solidarity among the global working class and especially between immigrant and “native” communities. And at the end of the day I don’t want to see my undocumented neighbors and comrades whisked away by jackboot government thugs because they didn’t follow the rules set by some assholes in Washington.

Posted by: fnord | Aug 29 2025 4:41 utc | 186

This preasent civil war has been ongoing for over a thousand years.
Nigel Fararge is a loyalist, the union jack tattoes are a give away. (his supporters)
Lacky lick spittle surfs. complient and easaly manipulated, willing to die for the rich, fertile empire tools.
But dont mind my opinion, go right ahead and vote for christmas like a turkey.
See if i care.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 5:13 utc | 187

To add…
These farage grunts have got nothing.
Whilst the rich elite are selling the uk silver and tax gouging the poor.
Lineing the elites indaviduel pockets with hundreds of millions of pounds.
And the reform party blames the poorist of the poor… imagrants.
Pathtic coward bullys. Your turn is comeing.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 5:22 utc | 188

Loyalist or roundhead ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 5:24 utc | 189

Vote …The Duke of Monmoth.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 5:26 utc | 190

Posted by: james | Aug 29 2025 4:40 utc | 185
I agree James. I think that in the complex and confusing mental world we have created and the tendency to think that all happiness arises from materialistic and other forms of consumerism, we have completely lost sense of the basic needs of people, or any care for others.
I also read what – Passerby | Aug 29 2025 3:58 utc | 183 – wrote and thought that it was a good example of how convenient use of reductionism can isolate ethics from any view and concern for anyone else other than your own purely selfish belief structures and desires. In the case mentioned, it was neoliberalism and neocons like Nuland who seem to have the conscience and lack of empathy of a psychopath.
From my point of view, since I cannot see how we are all not connected in some way, and we should also support the group as well as ourselves in order to survive, that this will cause enormous disasters in the end. But it may bring us back to the basics again so we know what is really important in life. Most people who go through times of great adversity often end up doing this.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 5:28 utc | 191

vote for christmas ??
ehh … perhaps Thanksgiving with the natives

Posted by: Oui | Aug 29 2025 5:29 utc | 192

Oui @ 192
Take a look at ukraine and get back to me 2 mill dead, rich lining their pockets, all heading for disarster.
Same rich elites, but yeah vote christmas with the natives.
Why would you ?

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 5:40 utc | 193

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 29 2025 4:24 utc | 184
I agree with the point you make. Pure materialism and scientism is very destructive and I would agree with taking a more inclusive spiritual approach, but not necessarily from conventional religion or views of a ‘god’ since it is also confused and often corrupt/materialistic/driven by a power hungry priesthood these days. We actually do have spiritual receptors (modules) in a our amygdalae (limbic system) in the brain. The scientific approach is very helpful, but the tendency is to think that it covers everything there is to know, and that there is no other way to know anything, or things other than matter and energy. That is a huge limitation in itself.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 5:47 utc | 194

Re: Damien #171
True 💪🏽
Underlying roots of McCarthyism – Barry Goldwater – support Birchers – in addition to unlimited funding by Koch Bros. , Mercers, and Paul Singer et. al.
Add two crazies from white supremacist South Africa Peter Thiel and Elon Musk … rest us leisure time to lean over backwards and watch the fireworks 💥 leading to a final big bang. ☢️
Add the Evangelists and Dutch Reformed to the mix for accelerators 🤣
For Israel Ze’ev Jabotinsky and Kahane are alive …
JBS Hidden from Public Scrutiny
https://x.com/ftweekend/status/1655286442417848321

Posted by: Oui | Aug 29 2025 5:51 utc | 195

The government is responsible for keeping the system running. If the common people do not breed enough, the system cannot continue to operate. Therefore, people are imported from other places. Whoever is in power, the system must keep running or it will collapse. Or alternatively let the people who do not have children first agree that there will be nobody there to care for them when they are old then you can stop migration. And you can add a long list to what they need to agree that will affect them in their day to day life.

Posted by: hubert | Aug 29 2025 6:04 utc | 196

Shutting down work migrants from EU states … see decline NHS medics and nurses.
Net migration of EU citizens has been negative since the pandemic and under the post-Brexit immigration system, with immigration falling by almost 70% compared to its 2016 peak
Taking away UK jobs and our fish 😊
In the year ending March 2016, EU net migration peaked at over 280,000, with more than 500,000 EU nationals moving to the UK.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 29 2025 6:05 utc | 197

Farage is one of the most unctuous and repulsive political opportunists the UK has seen in years, but there is a club of these types that keep getting wheeled out into the public domain and getting promoted due to their disgusting ethical voids. You could add Blaire and Bojo to that list.

Posted by: George | Aug 29 2025 6:09 utc | 198

George @ 198
Spot on George, farage is the elites sheep dog whos job is to round up the deliberatly ill-informed sheeple, making them compliant for slaughter.
Another zelinsky.
Expect another ‘maiden massacer’ any day now, here in the uk. It’l be a refugee hotel.
Respect

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 29 2025 6:20 utc | 199

Goood morning from a multi ethnic multicultural London U.K.
a largely very happy place because of it.
Last long bank holiday weekend it was the Notting Hill strret carnival in west London now over 50 years and going strong.
A festival founded by the afrocarribean migrants brought over to post war Britain as additional workers needed to run public and local services.
They were all BRITISH, had been British empires subjects.
Fought for Britain.
Everyone in that empire had a BRITISH passport.
Read that again.
Now let’s move forward to the C21st.
The England team that won the football cup back in 1966 against West Germany had NOT a single ‘black British’ player – but there’s IS a history of such players in the local games throughout the C20th.
Now- such a monochrome ‘white British’ team would get nowhere in any international competition.
Nor would any local team – the giants, Utd,City et al, which just a couple of decades ago were still supported by the racist chanting hooligan ‘fans’ such as Chelsea !
That generation now middle aged into retirement are like the dinosaurs soon to be extinct.
The mindset of the current generation of under 50’s is totally different.
The easy pushable button has faded (like the epic hairstyles😉) now.
There is no easy petty knee jerk patriotic dog whistle racism – the establishment has long fostered and relied upon to make endless wars and colonialism.
They need to fan the embers to keep such instincts alive – especially in the canon fodder , terrorist soldier recruits class garrison communities. The ones fed upon by the fake ‘Tommy’ – the agit prop mi5 and English and Jewish Defence League – operative.
That’s the high profile few hundreds hotelled in such places. The dumb St George cross flags illegally placed on street lampposts, the mass media placed stories. It’s a project that’s been underway since HerrKyivStarmztrooper took the baton.
As is the stinking poo fake English man in tweeds The Fart Rage – his job to keep the middle aged easily button pushed.
Remember the BrexShit head party that he ‘founded and led’ ukip?
Most people won’t or what the ip stands for.
They were not even a party with grassroots members it was a complete creation of the ziofascist deepstate as part of destroying the good thing about the EU – which would inevitably logically moved to EurAsian wide single market.
These ukip target supporters self referenced as ‘Kippers’ – a stinky fish beloved in some parts of U.K. ‘cuisine’ as much as corned beef (…another topic 😉 )
Is it any wonder the easily button pushed jingo Brit brain dead are attracted to the stinky Mordoorrrk mass media creature and his FartRage ?
The Kippers never translated into a populist breakdown of old party loyal voting – the ‘Red wall’ was brought down by internal blirite NuLabInc treachery and external crown state postal vote fraud run by Cummings. As was BrexShit and Scottish Independence referendums.
It is just another attempt at fascist Red-Brown bridging to align the population against the rising multipolar world. They really mean to send our kids to our fight to the last for the mythological gammon superiority Collective Waster empire – the 5+1 Eyed ziofascist shapeshifter dynastic snakes that poison our world and minds.
Fuck. Them.
¡No Pasaran!

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 29 2025 6:27 utc | 200