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August 5, 2025
The Secondary Sanctions Squeeze

U.S. President Donald Trump is now largely following his predecessors hostile policy towards Russia.

If the war in Ukraine continues on its current path Russia will end it with an outright victory. The U.S. and its European vassals are trying to impose a ceasefire to prevent that. It would give time to rebuild the Ukrainian army and to restart the war at a more convenient time. But Russia won't budge until its war aims are met.

A hoped for countermeasure is to pressure Russia's oil customers, to thereby decrease its income and prevent it from finishing the war in its favor.

When the war started in 2022 the European Union cut its own access to Russian oil and gas supplies. It started to buy more oil from Gulf countries and other producers. India and China were thus suddenly cut of from their traditional suppliers. They started to buy Russian oil. Then U.S. President Joe Biden encouraged that. He did not want global gas prices to rise. Global supplies continued on an unchanged level and the change in the routes of oil around the globe had only a minor effect on prices.

One side-effect though was noticeable in some European refineries. Several of them were specialized in processing heavy Ural oil. They eventually had to go idle. Their business were picked up by Indian refineries which processed Russian oil and exported the resulting diesel fuel to Europe.

But now the U.S., and its European vassals, are trying to impose sanctions and/or tariffs on China and India for their continued buying of Russian oil. This would disturb the new market balance and eventually lead to higher oil prices for everyone.

China has successfully rejected U.S. pressure. In response to tariff threads it withheld minerals the U.S. needs. Trump had to pull back.

India is Trump's new target:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – Aug 04, 2025, 14:50 UTC

India is not only buying massive amounts of Russian Oil, they are then, for much of the Oil purchased, selling it on the Open Market for big profits. They don’t care how many people in Ukraine are being killed by the Russian War Machine. Because of this, I will be substantially raising the Tariff paid by India to the USA. Thank you for your attention to this matter!!!

India's Ministry of External Affairs responded by pointing out the hypocrisy of demanding for it to end trade relations while continuing the U.S.'  own trade with Russia:

4. Europe-Russia trade includes not just energy, but also fertilizers, mining products, chemicals, iron and steel and machinery and transport equipment.

5. Where the United States is concerned, it continues to import from Russia uranium hexafluoride for its nuclear industry, palladium for its EV industry, fertilizers as well as chemicals.

6. In this background, the targeting of India is unjustified and unreasonable. Like any major economy, India will take all necessary measures to safeguard its national interests and economic security.

Seeing resistance Trump promptly upped his demands:

U.S. President Donald Trump said on Tuesday he would increase the tariff charged on imports from India from the current rate of 25% "very substantially" over the next 24 hours, in view of New Delhi's continued purchases of Russian oil.

He also said a "zero tariff" offer for imports of U.S. goods into India was not good enough, alleging that India was "fuelling the war" in Ukraine.

The latest comment followed a similar threat on Monday, which prompted India's Foreign Ministry to say the country was being unfairly singled out over its purchases of Russian oil.

India ia a very large and proud country. It is likely willing to fight back. Over the last 25 years the U.S. has tried to win the formally neutral India, which was friendly with Russia, as an ally. Trump is ruining this attempt.

There are Indian products, like pharmaceuticals, for which it has near monopolies and which the U.S. needs. If it is smart it will play the same game as China did with rare earth: Withhold what the U.S. needs and wait for Trump to capitulate.

To compensate for eventual damage it will, at the same time, have to seek better relations with China and even cheaper oil from Russia.

The European Union, meanwhile, continues to hurt itself. Last months it sanctioned an Indian refinery for buying Russian oil which promptly led to higher diesel prices in Europe:

The recent EU sanctions on India’s Niara Energy refinery have removed approximately fifteen percent of European diesel imports overnight, sending prices higher and creating significant market volatility.

With alternative supplies needed from the Middle East, Asia, and the US, diesel prices have jumped from $2.40 to $2.47 per gallon, and gas oil has climbed from $700 to $725 per metric ton. The shift comes amid already tight global supply, with Europe now required to pay a premium to attract new barrels.

It is also planning new sanctions on China even as China has proven to have escalation dominance in trade and is certain to hit back.

The attempt to fight Russia by secondary sanctions against its customers is likely to fail.

We can thus expect more attacks on Russia related shipping.

Comments

“There are Indian products, like pharmaceuticals, for which it has near monopolies and which the U.S. needs.”
Sometimes I think Germans might be completely brain dead about American culture. The US pharma companies (“Big Pharma”) absolutely hate Indian generic drugs and would love an opportunity to bar then from Western markets.
On the negative side for India would be its major exports to the United States, H-1Bs, Pakistani terrorism, and remittances. President Trump can turn up the heat on all of these at once, along with barring Indian pharmaceuticals.
India might just choose to rebalance its oil imports: a mild money loser, but much cheaper than a trade war. This is going to happen well ahead of total economic war.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 5 2025 15:54 utc | 1

And now with intermediate range missiles.
The west is needing Russia to take aggressive action, outside of Ukraine.
It seems Russia is determined to force the west to make the first move.
Meanwhile, progressing pretty well in Ukraine, itself.

Posted by: jared | Aug 5 2025 15:59 utc | 2

Trump is in the cuck chair. The longer he avoids admitting it, the worse it will get for him.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 5 2025 16:01 utc | 3

The ‘leadership’ in the ‘west’ are so riddled with utter insanity it is difficult to understand how they make it through a day in their own lives.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | Aug 5 2025 16:16 utc | 4

India’s trade with the US is miniscule: under $100B each in both imports to and exports from the US.
To put this in perspective: India’s refined petroleum exports are in the order of $90B a year.
Seems pretty obvious that India will tell the US to f-off.
Now if Europe joins the sanctions regime – that will be more interesting since a significant chunk of the above refined petroleum product exports, at least the growth from 2022 onward, is to the EU.
But either way: get ready for higher prices, West!

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2025 16:17 utc | 5

Sanctions on Russia’s Partners ‘Obvious Next Step’ – US NATO Envoy (& vid)
https://www.rt.com/news/622494-sanctions-russia-partners-next-step/
“Targeting Russia’s partners with sanctions and tariffs is the ‘obvious next step’ in US efforts to mediate the Ukraine conflict, Washington’s ambassador to NATO, Matthew Whitaker says.
‘Secondary sanctions and tariffs against those that are paying for this war, like China, India and Brazil, by buying the oil that Russia is producing, is an obvious next step to try to bring this war to an end. I think this is really going to hit them where it counts, and that is their main revenue source, which is the sale of oil to these countries,’ he said.
On Monday, Trump threatened New Delhi with new tariffs unless it halts Russian oil purchases. India has refused to take part in the sanctions on Russia, calling its energy trade a matter of national interest.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 5 2025 16:17 utc | 6

Russia’s state oil firm Rosneft and India’s private refiner Reliance Industries signed a 10 year agreement valid from January 2025 to supply 500,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil.
Rosneft will deliver 20-21 Aframax-sized cargoes (80,000 to 100,000 metric tons each) of various Russian crude grades and three cargoes of about 100,000 tons of fuel oil each month to Reliance’s Jamnagar refinery, the world’s largest refining complex.
The annual value of the deal is ca $13 billion.
Will Trump’s sanctions on Indian companies’ exports to the USA trump 😉 the fallout of Reliance defaulting on their contract with Rosneft? IDK, but we sure live in interesting times.

Posted by: egreigious | Aug 5 2025 16:29 utc | 7

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 5 2025 16:17 utc | 5
Trump/the cabal make no sense here-Trump should have given India preferential treatment , ally with them.
If he really wants to go after China having an ally on its Western flank -the most populous country in the world would be a necessity.
I don’t get it.
No ‘divide and conquer’?

Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 16:35 utc | 8

One side-effect though was noticeable in some European refineries. Several of them were specialized in processing heavy Ural oil. They eventually had to go idle.
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I don’t think Ural oil is heavy.
The only person I recall writing about the fact that a main German refinery complex (name started with S, I think) was tailored to refine the Urals oil it got via pipeline was a fellow name Jorge something, at the Saker blog.
Per Wiki, “Urals oil is a reference oil brand used as a basis for pricing of the Russian export oil mixture. It is a mix of heavy sour oil of the Urals and the Volga region with light oil of Western Siberia.”
At that time the talk was of bringing oil to this refinery via oil tankers. This Jorge fellow completely demolished this idea as ludicrous: 1, How to get the oil from the tankers to the refinery, and 2, wrong kind of oil.
I think it was Schwedt.
Per Google’s AI:
“The Schwedt refinery in Germany was originally designed to process Russian Ural crude oil, delivered via the Druzhba pipeline. However, due to shifts in geopolitical landscape and the cessation of Russian oil imports, the refinery has been forced to adapt and is now processing a blend of crude oil from various sources, including oil from the United States delivered via the port of Rostock. Poland has also committed to providing additional crude if necessary.
The PCK refinery is considered one of Germany’s largest crude oil processing sites and plays a vital role in providing fuels to the Berlin and Brandenburg region. . . . ”

Posted by: Jane | Aug 5 2025 16:43 utc | 9

Posted by: Jane | Aug 5 2025 16:43 utc | 9
No, Jane Ural Oil is a’ heavy oil’.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 16:47 utc | 10

Still don’t get why Russia doesn’t cut fertilizer to the US. If the Uke thing isn’t taken care of by then, if I were Russia I would stop fertilizer to the US right after the next harvest season in the US, or whenever it is they buy fertilizer. $25 for a loaf bread won’t go over well in the US, and maybe just in time for mid-terms.

Posted by: c matt | Aug 5 2025 16:49 utc | 11

Sanctions on Russian oil, whether primary or secondary, make no sense unless Russian oil can be replaced from another source, in lieu of which global oil prices will rise. OPEC is unlikely to increase production, while Iran and Venezuela also have sanctions against them.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 16:51 utc | 12

The intent is to provoke Russia to escalate in the same way that Japan was provoked by trade barriers into the attack on Pearl Harbour. That is the Trump regime plan.
Given that Trump and the US is the one fighting Russia, the solution is in Trump’s hands.
Given too, that Trump and the US are fully supporting and facilitating Israel in the the genocide of the Palestinians, `Trump’s declarations regarding the lives lost in the Ukraine war have to be seen as an act of flagrant and odious hypocrisy; the man is every bit as disgusting a human being as Netanyahu.

Posted by: CitizenSmith | Aug 5 2025 16:51 utc | 13

if financial sanctions don’t work, try tariffs, or bullying your supposed friends with the threat of high tariffs.. i am sure that will work, lol.. thanks b.. as you note – india is a proud country and i can’t see them putting up with these cheap tactics from trump..

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2025 16:58 utc | 14

Unlike rare earth minerals, imports of generic pharmaceuticals are easy to replace or move manufacturing to the U.S. Therefore, India does not have the leverage China does. In the short term drug prices would rise in the U.S., but if Trump wants to move manufacturing back to the U.S., this would do it.
According to Gemini, exports to the U.S. account for 18% of India’s total exports. Not small.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:01 utc | 15

Posted by: Jane | Aug 5 2025 16:43 utc | 9
No, Jane Ural Oil is a’ heavy oil’.
Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 16:47 utc | 10
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First of all, Canuck, I quoted a source. So you can drop the patronizing “Jane” and argue with the source.
“Ural Oil” (why did you u.c. “oil”? There is a company called Ural Oil & Gas. . . ) and “Urals oil” appear to be two different things.
I guess you just feel like arguing.
There might be refineries using pure Ural heavy crude. I have no idea, and I didn’t say anything about this. I wrote about what Jorge said about Schwedt, and their oil blend requirements.
Urals oil is a Russian export oil blend, primarily composed of heavy, high-sulfur oil from the Urals-Volga region and lighter Siberian oil. It’s a medium-sour crude oil, typically priced at a discount to Brent crude due to its quality characteristics. Urals is a key benchmark for Russian oil prices in international markets.
Here’s a more detailed breakdown:
Composition:
Urals is a blend, meaning it’s not a single type of crude oil but a mixture of different components. The main components are heavier, high-sulfur oil from the Urals and Volga regions, and lighter oil from Western Siberia.
Quality:
Urals is generally considered a medium-sour crude oil, meaning it has a moderate sulfur content and density. Its sulfur content can be around 1.3-1.4%, and its density is typically 31-32° API.
Pricing:
Due to its quality, Urals is usually priced at a discount to Brent crude, a widely used benchmark for global oil prices. This discount reflects the lower quality and heavier nature of Urals oil.
Usage:
Urals is a major export grade for Russia, with significant volumes transported via the Druzhba pipeline to Europe and via the Novorossiysk pipeline to the Black Sea. It also plays a crucial role in determining the prices of other Russian oil exports.
Recent Trends:
Recent reports indicate that Urals oil is being exported with a slightly lower sulfur content and higher gravity (density) than in previous years, potentially due to production changes in certain regions.
Price Cap Impact:
The European Union’s price cap on Russian oil, introduced in 2022, has impacted the trade of Urals, particularly in terms of shipping and insurance services.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 5 2025 17:04 utc | 16

According to Gemini, exports to the U.S. account for 18% of India’s total exports. Not small.
Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:01 utc | 14
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Many of India’s exports are financial services and low-cost telemarketing and call center services.
India isn’t mass-producing heavy equipment or specialized technology.
In the short run, there could be a lot of pain, but in the long term, India will be much better off if it restructures its economy for the modern era. One cannot stay indefinitely low on the value chain.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 5 2025 17:08 utc | 17

Trump/the cabal make no sense here-Trump should have given India preferential treatment , ally with them.
Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 16:35 utc | 8
At least you’re not a retard who thinks India is eager to jettison its top export market. But no, India historically has no interest in being an American ally, and even less now that they are in a stronger position within BRICS. They’re just going to reduce their oil exports to Europe, and either consume domestically or mildly reduce Russian imports which they can’t resell anymore. Then President Trump walks away claiming hugest victory.
For perspective, India exports maybe $4 billion to Russia. They’re not likely to separate from Russia and the BRICS, but then I don’t think anyone expects that either.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 5 2025 17:12 utc | 18

No more cheap Indian call centers would be a problem for Korporate AmeriKKA. But they’d probably just get rid of all human workers and replace them with shitstain AI. Meaning that no way you ever get a human again. Or move to lower cost markets like Haiti where agents would work for food and water.
In the long run, it’s better for Indian people to diversify away from low wage IT service sector, as LoveDonbass pointed out.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 5 2025 17:15 utc | 19

This will hit the eurocucks hardest. Trump’s trying to get them to raise the white flag in Ukraine. He doesn’t want to be seen doing it. So he’s making them pay for US munitions for Ukraine while burdening their economy with more costly energy.
Secondarily, he’d like to reshore some pharma, and some iron and steelmaking and other smelting ops.
Classic Trump. Brutally effective. The capital comes home, the US munitions get sold, the eurocucks ask to surrender, and Trump gets the Nobel.

Posted by: seer | Aug 5 2025 17:19 utc | 20

@Jane | Aug 5 2025 16:43 utc | 9
@canuk | Aug 5 2025 16:47 utc | 10
Jane is right. European refineries are not going out of business for the sanctions on Russia and Russian oil, they are going out of business for the demented European green policy. Oil companies are not investing in European refineries, because the European policy is to phase out all combustion engines by 2035: no investments, no new refineries, minimal maintenance on old ones.

Posted by: SG | Aug 5 2025 17:23 utc | 21

The USA may not be as dependent on medicines from India, but Europe, especially Germany, France, Spain, and Portugal, is.
Almost 56% of all medicines come from India or are manufactured there on contract.
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How often do you think I, as a heart attack patient, hear “not available” or even “not available to order” in the pharmacy? You’d be surprised.
And as a patient, I’m always glad to have my quarterly rations together…I’ve even had to travel abroad for some of them. By the way, until recently, there was no cough syrup for children, and antibiotics were only available in adjusted dosages.

Posted by: Beobachter II | Aug 5 2025 17:24 utc | 22

LoveDonbass 16:
Most of the U.S.trade imbalance seems to be goods, with India exporting approximately $45.8 billion more than it imports.
Here are the figures rom Gemini:
Based on the most recent data available, here are the bilateral trade figures between the United States and India for 2024:
Total Trade (Goods and Services):
* Total bilateral trade was estimated at $212.3 billion.
Trade in Goods:
* Total goods trade (exports + imports) was approximately $128.9 billion.
* U.S. goods exports to India: $41.5 billion.
* U.S. goods imports from India: $87.3 billion.
* U.S. goods trade deficit with India: $45.8 billion.
Trade in Services:
* Total services trade (exports + imports) was estimated at $83.4 billion.
* U.S. services exports to India: $41.8 billion.
* U.S. services imports from India: $41.6 billion.
* U.S. services trade surplus with India: $102 million.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:28 utc | 23

India ia a very large and proud country.
Posted by b on August 5, 2025 at 15:47 UTC

With pictures ==> https://people.com/ivanka-trump-and-family-attend-anant-ambani-pre-wedding-bash-photos-8603521
Is the party over?

Posted by: too scents | Aug 5 2025 17:29 utc | 24

MTG is correct. DJT campaigned on a promise of no more endless foreign wars (almost Washingtonian in warning against entangling foreign alliances – how has that worked out anyway?).
Now suddenly we are actively involved in an inter Slavic dispute over EU/NATO expansion eastward into the Russia sphere of direct influence. And we threatening nations allied with RF with substantial secondary oil sanctions. That is hardly non involvement in foreign disputes. And we overtly threaten RF by “repositioning” ballistic nuclear subs closer to RF.
And DJT continues to supply and support the Genocidalists in Israel as they slaughter 20% of the Palestinian population.
DJT appears now to have captured by the Neo Cons……
Indeed the MAGA base is very alarmed and they should be.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 5 2025 17:34 utc | 25

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:01 utc | 14
It’s not the quantity itself but how it’s easy or difficult to find an alternative market for the product/products.
No export no tariffs.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 5 2025 17:34 utc | 26

It’s probably just pablum to feed to the neocolonialist/neocons who still dominate the DC power structure.
Will it have the stated [not necessarily the desired] effect? No. Does the administration know this? Well, everybody here thinks they know the Admin’s mind and they take them for fools. I don’t know but, I suspect that the administration is taking this action to deter critics knowing full well it will have no effect on the outcome of the war.
Regardless of what DC does or doesn’t do, the longer the Russians take the more complicated and intractable the aftermath will be. The most strident commenters here seem to think the longer the war goes on the better…but then they’re hoping for a societal collapse to soothe their embittered minds.
If the report is true that Russian Commandos landed twenty klicks east of Odessa on the Black Sea Coast and captured English Army Officers alongside an MI-6 spook then the “commonly accepted-truth” at MOA is wrong and what I have been saying has been born out in practice. The Russians can bring forces behind the front lines along the Black Sea Coast without suffering massive/unsustainable losses and shorten the war. The English/MI-6 are trying to inflict the Treaty of Paris 1856 upon the Russians, when the Russians take the coast, the war will end, not before.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 17:37 utc | 27

Beobachter 21
I’m not sure what the supply issue in Europe is, but generics are EASY to manufacture and many countries do this, including China, Indonesia, Thailand, Brazil, etc.
Big Pharma in the U.S. have a “pay-for-delay” tactics where they pay generic manufactures not to market cheap generic version of their drugs. No doubt, there is also influence exerted by Big Pharma on government regulators to protect them in America’s corporate kleptocracy.
The point is that if Trump and MAGA aim to bring manufacturing back to the U.S., this is an easy one. That’s why IMO, Trump’s bigger battles are at home and with Deep State than with Russia, Iran, or BRICS.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:39 utc | 28

S Brennan – 26 – completely agree, the big prize is not Kieve, but all the Black Sea ports including Odessa, and the land bridge to Transnistria………..

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 5 2025 17:40 utc | 29

Trump’s trying to get them to raise the white flag in Ukraine” – seer 19
Dunno but…I sure hope you are right.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 17:42 utc | 30

Mario 25
It’s not the quantity itself but how it’s easy or difficult to find an alternative market for the product/products
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In the short term, yes. But generic pharmaceuticals are a much easier problem to overcome in a much shorter time than with rare earth minerals. Anyone with a basic degree in chemistry can set this up, as India did several decades ago to the chagrin of multinational pharmaceutical companies. Not is scaling up difficult. It can be done in under five years.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:45 utc | 31

@cuck 8
Quote. “Trump/the cabal make no sense here-Trump should have given India preferential treatment , ally with them.
If he really wants to go after China having an ally on its Western flank -the most populous country in the world would be a necessity.
I don’t get it.
No ‘divide and conquer’?”
First you think India is that stupid to trust USA and west for that?then India will fight china on behalf of evil Anglos 5? Until now India has foolishly followed that line west controlled by England and USA never fight in their own,they dupe others to fight on their behalf untill victory is assured then coward Anglos enter actual flight .India thought west will help her against China when it really is foolish India helping the parasite west this trump threat to India has atlease jolted some elites of India to recognise Anglo-Saxon parasites machinations. Hopefully

Posted by: Sam | Aug 5 2025 17:54 utc | 32

Not too long ago, S Brennan was attacking China exclusively because China supposedly “exploited” Russia by buying Russian oil with nary a mention of India from him. I remember telling S Brennan that India buys an almost equal amount of oil from Russia, and if Trump deemed India to be a threat, S Brennan would loyally follow the narrative of India being a threat. I haven’t had the pleasure of witnessing S Brennan’s response to the news on India’s tariffs just yet, but I am curious to see what sort mental contortions he will perform. Perhaps he will just memory hole what he has said earlier and just fall in line with the rest of his numerous fascist friends who make the Ukraine thread their regular haunt like Paranaense and Milites.
Europe too has been hit by severe tariffs from Trump. A while back, while arguing with some MoA gold bugs, I listed a number of America’s designated “enemy nations” who tried to adopt the euro to circumvent the dollar and promptly had violent actions taken against them by America, which includes but isn’t limited to: Syria, North Korea, Libya, Iraq, Venezuela and Iran. And even earlier, I have mentioned on MoA that the 1990s Balkan (Yugoslav) war was started by America to keep the euro from challenging the dollar. I brought all that up not because I want to excuse Europe as a junior partner of American imperialism, but because I want to show the hierarchy in the relationship being enforced by America and how America brooks no competitors.
The sickness in this world is imperialism, which is the highest stage of capitalism. The heart of imperialism is in America, and America is willing to sacrifice nations that consider America an ally to preserve this decaying system. As Kissinger once remarked, “It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.” There is only one cure for this sickness:
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
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Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 5 2025 17:57 utc | 33

“A hoped for countermeasure is to pressure Russia’s oil customers, to thereby decrease its income and prevent it from finishing the war in its favor.”
Impossible !
As the amount of roubles that can be issued from thin air is not dependent on Russian oil revenues.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Aug 5 2025 18:06 utc | 34

Well, who would you give credence to?
At the beginning of July, Trump was asked, “What is the next campaign promise that you plan to fulfill to the American people?” He then rambled about meeting foreign leaders and removing regulations, adding:
“I got rid of – just one I got rid of the other night, you buy a house, they have a faucet in the house, Joe, and the faucet the water doesn’t come out. They have a restrictor. You can’t – in areas where you have so much water they don’t know what to do with it. Uh, you have a shower head the shower doesn’t uh, the shower doesn’t, you think it’s not working. It is working. The water’s dripping out and that’s no good for me. I like this hair lace and – I like that hair nice and wet. Takes you – you have to stand in the shower for 20 minutes before you get the soap out of your hair. And I put a, a thing – and it sounds funny but it’s really not. It’s horrible. And uh, when you wash your hands, you turn on the faucet, no water comes out. You’re washing whole – water barely comes out it’s ridi – this was done by crazy people. And I wor – wrote it all off and got it approved in Congress so that they can’t just change it.”
Vladimir Putin, in reply to a question:
“As a matter of principle, waiting is an option if the Ukrainian leadership believes that this is not the right time and that they must wait. Be my guests – we are ready to wait. This is my first point…As for the question of whether someone is disappointed, all the disappointment stems from heightened expectations. This is a general rule we all know. That said, to settle an issue by peaceful means, you need to hold detailed talks instead of creating publicity. The way forward is to ensure that the negotiating process is private and confidential. This is why Russia suggested creating three groups as you have mentioned. Overall, Ukraine’s response was quite positive. We agreed that we can hold these talks without cameras and without making all this political noise by working in a calm environment while searching for compromises. These groups have yet to get down to business. They have not started their work so far, but overall we believe that the initial reaction from Ukraine was rather positive. For this reason, we expect this process to get off the ground…”

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 5 2025 18:09 utc | 35

Trump is discovering he doesn’t have much in the way of power, that the Outlaw US Empire is now a Paper Tiger. Congress is slowly learning that too. The irony is the nation that started the war in Ukraine is the one being hurt the most by the sanctions’s blowback. Its economy’s been in recession for years with Moody’s finally admitting that reality–remember rents are not productive and thus must be omitted from genuine GDP. I see it all as another Tar Baby episode.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2025 18:26 utc | 36

Re the unconfirmed capture of three UK soldiers in Odessa Oblast:
RT and other outlets had articles on Monday postulating that Russia had evidence that the UK planned a tanker ‘incident’ to provide an excuse for stopping and impounding tankers carrying Russian oil. Perhaps this abduction (if it happened) is a Russian pre-emptive strike to stop such action. E.g. UK-made tanker false flag = ‘official UK Army mercenary’ widely publicised trial in Moscow plus execution or very long jail sentence and ‘third world’ PR triumph.
However, the ‘capture’ is not yet a proven fact, and if the ‘false-flag’ is aborted we may never hear anything more about this.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 5 2025 18:27 utc | 37

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2025 18:26 utc | 34
Yes, absolutely. It’s one of those ‘takes a heart of stone not to laugh’ moments. If Lenin was still around he would be emptying his ‘dustbin of history’ out to make more room for the latest trash input. (Or was that Khrushchev? I can’t remember.)

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Aug 5 2025 18:32 utc | 38

India’s ultimate weapon is to switch off all call centers and IT centers and coding centers which provide services to US customers. That would seriously damage everyday life of US companies and US consumers. The US outsourced vital part of its business infrastructure to India. There is no way to move it back to the US so its a very effective weapon.

Posted by: J_Schneider | Aug 5 2025 18:33 utc | 39

The Russians are becoming increasingly successful at breaking through the Ukrainians and are close to taking the critical towns of Kupyansk (cutting off Ukrainian troops on the east bank of the Oskol River, and Pokrovsk (the defensive pivot and supply hub of that part of the front), while advancing on Siversk/Yampil/Lyman and Kostyantynivka. The front will become much more fluid after that, especially with the Russians able to flank Kramatorsk/Slavyansk from the west by driving northwards from the Pokrovsk area. I cover these dynamics and other aspects in my recent Ukraine Update.
Simplicius also has a new piece out about the decline of the Ukrainian fortunes https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/western-analysts-find-little-hope
The inevitability of Ukrainian defeat is now becoming more and more obvious, and the drive of the Russians to keep changing the facts on the ground “war, war” while negotiations “jaw, jaw” do not provide it with acceptable outcomes, with the acceptable outcome becoming worse for the Ukrainians by the day.
Trump and VDL etc., are still living in some mythical 1990s of Western dominance, with actions that simply accelerate the imperial decline. India will be moved closer to Russia and China, just as the West’s previous actions pushed Russia, China and Iran together, and Russia and North Korea. And the rest of the world becomes more and more negative on the US, just look at the “great” outcomes of attempting to tariff blackmail Brazil!

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 5 2025 18:39 utc | 40

the more i listen to sleepy joe donald and his gay friend lady lindsey about other economies, how they all “stink” and whatever wordsalad this limp dick posts on his “truth” socials, the more i hope they all lose as much face as possible.
he, fond of lying, that ukroboitoy lover starmer, brigitte macrons wife, and all the rest need a humiliation of epic proportions for the sheer audacity of wanting to drag the whole world down because they utterly fail do defeat a “gas station”.
fuck em.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 5 2025 18:44 utc | 41

@Sam 30
@cuck 8
Quote. “Trump/the cabal make no sense here-Trump should have given India preferential treatment , ally with them.
If he really wants to go after China having an ally on its Western flank -the most populous country in the world would be a necessity.
I don’t get it.
***
There is an inherent contradiction between MAGA and Empire. America can have one, but not both. Trump, I believe is committed to the first and pays lip service to the second to keep the Deep State and Global Imperial Class / City of London bankers confused and off his back.
In this, he is more aligned with a multipolar world with America being one great pole rather than being a global hegemon fighting perpetual wars on behalf of bankers.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 18:45 utc | 42

>>> “he is more aligned with a multipolar world with America being one great pole rather than being a global hegemon fighting perpetual wars on behalf of bankers.” <<< Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 18:45 utc | 40 . . Yes, which the TDSers can't see, blinded by their seething rage as they are. I'm seeing the eurocucks paying for their glorious bankster war in Ukraine. Trump can't defeat the banksters, but he can make them pay for their fun, and enrich the US with jobs and capital in the process. Fuck the eurocucks. Get rid of the bankster puppets leading you, if you don't like it.

Posted by: seer | Aug 5 2025 18:55 utc | 43

Elial22 @ 30
Five years sounds about right. Someone else could do it quicker, in US it would take that long. Pray tell what do pharmaceutical customers do in that 5 years?
Personal opinion is 90% to 99% of prescription medicine is harmful. Short term those dependent on cheap dope are going to create political screaming even the retards in Washington cannot ignore.
And it is not all simple generics.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 5 2025 19:00 utc | 44

They Call Me Mister | Aug 5 2025 15:54 utc | 1
“The US pharma companies (“Big Pharma”) absolutely hate Indian generic drugs and would love an opportunity to bar then from Western markets.”
Ever since the Ranbaxy scandal around 2013 I have tried to avoid Indian generic drugs.
https://fortune.com/2013/05/15/dirty-medicine/
“Thakur left Kumar’s office stunned. He returned home that evening to find his 3-year-old son playing on the front lawn. The previous year in India, the boy had developed a serious ear infection. A pediatrician prescribed Ranbaxy’s version of amoxiclav, a powerful antibiotic. For three scary days, his son’s 102° fever persisted, despite the medicine. Finally, the pediatrician changed the prescription to the brand-name antibiotic made by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK). Within a day, his fever disappeared. Thakur hadn’t thought about it much before. Now he took the boy in his arms and resolved not to give his family any more Ranbaxy drugs until he knew the truth. What Thakur unearthed over the next months would form some of the most devastating allegations ever made about the conduct of a drug company. His information would lead Ranbaxy into a multiyear regulatory battle with the FDA, and into the crosshairs of a Justice Department investigation that, almost nine years later, has finally come to a resolution. On May 13, Ranbaxy pleaded guilty to seven federal criminal counts of selling adulterated drugs with intent to defraud, failing to report that its drugs didn’t meet specifications, and making intentionally false statements to the government. Ranbaxy agreed to pay $500 million in fines, forfeitures, and penalties — the most ever levied against a generic-drug company. (No current or former Ranbaxy executives were charged with crimes.) Thakur’s confidential whistleblower complaint, which he filed in 2007 and which describes how the company fabricated and falsified data to win FDA approvals, was also unsealed. Under federal whistleblower law, Thakur will receive more than $48 million as part of the resolution of the case.”

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 19:18 utc | 45

YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 19:18 utc | 43
In India you can walk into a chemists and buy antibiotics without prescription. This can be useful, but it’s likely to end with more antibiotic resistant infections.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 19:27 utc | 46

I see it all as another Tar Baby episode” – karlof1 34
Agree, I’ve been using that phrase since Team-Biden’s post election phase where Sullivan & Blinken accelerated the funding and supply of arms. What ex-ukrainia was supposed to receive over 2+ years was turned over in the last ~3 mos of Team-Biden’s term. At that point, whatever Trump did/did-not do wouldn’t change the accelerant’s burn time; this is when the then-President-elect backed off the “end it in a day” braggadocio bs.
However as fall closes the Galicians ruling ex-ukrainia will have sucked all the funds dry and sold what equipment they can on the black market, at that point they’ll want to negotiate an exit. Sadly, Russia might allow an exit that does not close off the Black Sea coast and future generations will face another attempt at a Crimean-War 3.0 by the English/Anglo-American schoolboy crowd. If/when the Russ take back the Black Sea Coast [& environs] to Transnistria the war will truly end but, not until.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 19:30 utc | 47

Don’t forget that Narendra Modi was listed as a terrorist for a number of years by the US State Dept.

Posted by: Finius | Aug 5 2025 19:38 utc | 48

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 18:45 utc | 40
#######
Yeah, Trump is so clever. When he was pushing daughters of his employees to Ghislaine Maxwell to be groomed while running around NY with Epstein and Tom Barrack chasing girls in nightclubs, it wasn’t because he was a degenerate Democrat. It was because one day he would need Donald Barr’s son and Epstein’s connections to become a “populist” President, managing the worst modern atrocities in 70 years.
Trust.
The.
Plan.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 5 2025 19:38 utc | 49

There is a thought I cannot seem to get out of my head. You may say I have had a drink too many(I do not use any drugs, for the record) but my impression what tends to be overlooked in discussions surrounding tariffs, sanctions, and investment funding from the European Union, Korea, Japan, and other partners, is that, from the United States’ perspective, these developments reflect the affirmation, and the effective acceptance by former allies, of a global order structured around an imperial centre, with the United States in the role of empire, the president as the Emperor, and the others as vassal states.
Historically, the conduct of a vassal ruler when receiving a visit from the emperor was well defined. He would offer tributes, valuable goods, and rare commodities, and would reaffirm his loyalty, his readiness to comply with the emperor’s will, and his commitment to support the empire’s military endeavours.
This dynamic has been visible in recent months during Mr Trump’s international visits. We have seen substantial non-refundable pledges of investment into the United States made by allied nations, alongside clear expressions of willingness to support the empire’s strategic confrontations,with the European Union aligning against Russia, and in future, perhaps Japan and Korea positioned against China. Tariffs and duties, accepted without serious resistance, further reinforce the economic dominance of the imperial centre.
In return, the vassals are left with symbolic gestures and a degree of ceremonial prestige. One might recall the German Empire under the Kaiser, where true authority rested with the imperial centre in Berlin. Local monarchs (Ludwig of Bavaria is an example) were granted the means to construct castles and to preserve cultural pageantry, like the Oktoberfest, but little actual power.

Posted by: Mauro | Aug 5 2025 19:43 utc | 50

“On the negative side for India would be its major exports to the United States, H-1Bs,”
What would Debbie Wasserman, or any other so inclined official, do without some foreign IT folks doing the job?
“Given too, that Trump and the US are fully supporting and facilitating Israel in the the genocide of the Palestinians, `Trump’s declarations regarding the lives lost in the Ukraine war have to be seen as an act of flagrant and odious hypocrisy; the man is every bit as disgusting a human being as Netanyahu.”
not a sliver of daylight between the US Treasury and the Gazan holocaust.
“No more cheap Indian call centers would be a problem for Korporate AmeriKKA. But they’d probably just get rid of all human workers and replace them with shitstain AI. Meaning that no way you ever get a human again. Or move to lower cost markets like Haiti where agents would work for food and water.”
I suppose the absolutely huge in size supposedly tax related phone scams were not JUST the product of Indian call centers, but what a product. I would be happy to miss it.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 5 2025 19:43 utc | 51

No current or former Ranbaxy executives were charged with crimes.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 19:18 utc | 43
Problem thus definitely not solved.
It’s not just generics, what about Vioxx, or the Covid death jabs (yet to come)?
Decades long cases will result in pinprick fines, ‘shut-up’ money for the plaintiff and nobody who matters gets hurt.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2025 19:47 utc | 52

S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 19:30 utc | 45
“future generations will face another attempt at a Crimean-War 3.0 by the English/Anglo-American schoolboy crowd”
Do you live in Britain? The Royal Navy today would struggle to fill a municipal boating lake. I’m not sure people outside the UK can appreciate just how deep in the doo-doo the UK economy and UK society is… in stark contrast to the first c19 Crimean war where the UK was #1 both economically and militarily.
What the Brits do still have are some clever and resourceful people – hence the various painful and deniable Black Sea attacks.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 19:47 utc | 53

Posted by: Mauro | Aug 5 2025 19:43 utc | 48
It works until it doesn’t.
Look at the British Empire after WWI – Imperial Preference and the Sterling Area.
Or read the History of the Peloponnesian Wars to see how things went for the ‘hated’ (but democratic) Athenians.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2025 19:54 utc | 54

Posted by: Mauro | Aug 5 2025 19:43 utc | 48
########
What is your point?
Most of the vassals have leadership put in place by the Empire.
Of course, they are going to reflect well on the Imperial status quo.
Look at Vietnam, Pakistan, and India. How they treat the Empire tells us all what we need to know.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 5 2025 20:00 utc | 55

@Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2025 19:54 utc | 52
The Athens “democracy” was structured to represent only the wishes of a very small oligarchy, just like the oligarchies we have today. The idiot Athenians blew their national power on the vain glorious attempt to take Sicily. They also genocided the island of Melia. People had lots of reasons to hate them that had nothing to do with their oligarch-dominated “democracy”.
The actual history of the Peloponnesian Wars is highly debated among actual historians, with Thucydides being seen as a highly unreliable narrator.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 5 2025 20:12 utc | 56

@8
Trump, presuming with US military go after China…..
Most laughing I have done in moths!

Posted by: paddy | Aug 5 2025 20:24 utc | 57

YetAnotherAnon 51,
Your point that Britain is a pathetic, self-imposed mess is correct, far be it for me to disagree with you on that point.
Nevertheless, the uppermost class of England is, at best, delusional and continues to talk and act as a nation of consequence. And to some degree England still is nation of consequence, particularly when it uses the US as it’s proxy. Post Woodrow-Wilson England’s control of DC’s political class has become ponderous.
Your point that English are running Black-Sea-terrorist-attack-operation* is also true. That you think such people “clever and resourceful” is telling. Were the Russians to reciprocate we would see England strike pose of indignation and outrage….how dare they…with the obligatory clutching of pearls. International terrorism is the art of nations incapable of honest industry.
The best thing a competent working class Englishman/woman can do with their ambition is leave the squalor of England behind. England’s uppermost-class still seeks prestige over prosperity. And please don’t blame others, the uppermost-class had a shot at reform with Albert. Had England focused on it’s strengths instead of meddling were it did not belong [see Crimean-War 1.0 for example] it would have known a peaceful and prosperous 20th Century…as would the world.
*England’s uppermost-class has a long and storied history of using terrorism as statecraft. [see Privateer/Buccaneer letters of mark]

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 20:27 utc | 58

@ Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 5 2025 17:08 utc | 16
Speaking of “call centers”,
I had to call my internet provider yesterday.
I wasnt sure at the time, but I feel certain that I was speaking to an AI-bot.
The communication was a bit stilted and overly-polite (“fawning”, maybe).
I feel so dirty.

Posted by: jared | Aug 5 2025 20:27 utc | 59

Can Trump destroy Indian economy with new AI stuff that can replace cheap Indian IT labour?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 5 2025 20:37 utc | 60

Posted by: Mauro | Aug 5 2025 19:43 utc | 48
A well written and thought out post, Mauro, without resorting to hyperbole and childish trolling. Politics, like people in power, changes little over vast periods of history, and eventually falls on its ass.

Posted by: madmarc | Aug 5 2025 20:38 utc | 61

Trumps america has got the rest of the world surounded, “come out with ya hands up”
Snigger.
What could possably go wrong ?
Gu-fuff.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 5 2025 20:44 utc | 62

S.Brennan – “clever and resourceful” is a description, not a value judgement. In case it’s not obvious, I disapprove, not only of our foreign policy but that of the hegemon we are following.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 5 2025 20:50 utc | 63

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 5 2025 20:12 utc | 54
Yes, I was being ironic about democracy.
We agree that they were hated by their vassals and as such they were only to happy to jump ship when Athenian power started to wane.
Eventually both Athens and Sparta faltered and gave way to the Macedonians but that’s another story.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2025 20:54 utc | 64

According to Gemini, exports to the U.S. account for 18% of India’s total exports. Not small.
Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 17:01 utc | 14
Not so big too.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 5 2025 20:59 utc | 65

The Indians should tell Trump to blow it out his ass. Any reasonable rational responses to his threats will be seen as a weakness.
The only response is capitulation or reciprocation. I don’t think the middle path will work this time, it’s now the path of capitulation.

Posted by: Joe | Aug 5 2025 21:30 utc | 66

“India might just choose to rebalance its oil imports: a mild money loser, but much cheaper than a trade war. This is going to happen well ahead of total economic war.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 5 2025 15:54 utc | 1”
Switch to alcohol fuel, like in Brazil? I’m always surprised more sugar-growing countries don’t do this.

Posted by: lester | Aug 5 2025 21:47 utc | 67

S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 19:30 utc | 45–
I’ve advocated a combined arms assault on Odessa since 2022, yet I agreed with the arguments against. I don’t see Russia “giving it away” whatsoever. With the ongoing Nazification of Moldova, Russia has a very good motive to seal the deal and link with Transnistria and thwart NATO’s Moldova ploy–the reasoning for intervening in Moldova is almost the same for Donbass–violation of Russian citizen human rights and political oppression of same. It’s possible we’ll see a reaction from the Duma as such an action will need a legal basis.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 5 2025 21:59 utc | 68

Both the primary US sanctions and the secondary US sanctions are illegal under international law and UN membership are they not? Then add in whatever the WTO says.
It is interesting to see a US that opposes free trade now after essentially the entire world has accepted it. Interesting, entertaining, and good comedy 🙂
· · ·
People perhaps like to imagine these US moves as an attempt at reproducing the positive effects of finding substitutes and replacements in Russia due to foreign sanctions there.
“We can do import substitution too” is such a great narrative after Russia, but entirely false 🙂
In Russia it was a relatively small part of the world they had to deal with and they had a lot of national resources available as well as close relations with the world’s largest producer China. Most of the stuff that “left” was foreign control over factories and assets within Russia which was easily bought or more or less nationalized, or simply financial investments even more easily replaced.
In the US self-sanctioning case the US is throwing sanctions and tariffs around at the entire world on a spray and pray basis while they lack most of the national capital required to replace any imports or foreign capital (primary human capital ie. knowledge and real experience) and they have an antagonistic relationship bordering on war with China.
The two are nothing alike.
Captain Obvious reporting for duty because some people need it like they need air (or a brain) 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 5 2025 22:02 utc | 69

Once again, I’d like to take the opportunity to point out that this “secondary sanctions” illegality could have been opposed and nipped in the bud when it was first attempted by the Obama admin on Iran back in the early 2010s but China, India, Russia, and the EU3 didn’t want to rock the boat.
They should have right then told the US that any fees charged any of their oil or other companies would be immediately and equivalently reciprocated on American companies trading with them.
But they did not and here we are, years later and much much higher stakes.

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 5 2025 22:17 utc | 70

If countries cave to USA sanctions, the demands will never stop.
Ignore them, reconfigure export destinations and supply chains.
It’s what BRICS is for.
USA citizens can enjoy higher inflation and shortages.
Europe is dying anyway, at least in the north, ex Norway.
Asia and its partners can prosper without the AngloSaxon scourge.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 5 2025 23:00 utc | 71

Sorry OT.
Re Moldova
I seem to recall Transnistria mentioned in Rand Report 2019…

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 5 2025 23:01 utc | 72

A quick and clumsy traverse around some India focussed media… there’s noise that the Biden admin actually encouraged India to take this oil intermediate role.
Remember Biden’s SanctionsFromHell™️. When they didn’t work within the 6 week timeframe as anticipated, Biden and the EU went for yet another and another and another sanctions “package”.
Team Biden realised removing Russian oil from the global market would increase gas prices at U$ pumps, so there was a nod and a wink that India (and China) would buy shadow Russian oil “under the cap”.
This would keep global oil stable, and still hurt Russia as it was selling oil to India at a 30% discount.
As ever in world of unintended consequences… the Indians have created a whole new oil market for themselves.
China and India are enjoying cheap Russian oil, while EU and the rest pay higher global prices.
OPEC doesn’t care about the Indian side trade. So they are not going to reduce prices to compete.
Now TrumpTeamTrix are in office, they see the juicy Indian trade..and the consequences to U$ oil conglomerates… and now of course they want to stomp the trade Biden encouraged.
Biden and the EU never imagined they’d still be trying to starve Russia via sanctions years after the magical SanctionsFromHell™️

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:07 utc | 73

Perfect time to have chaos in the middle east. That will sink EU economies with high petroleum prices that’ll make most industries unprofitable and bring about recession.
If any Russian ship is attacked Russia should pull out of the treaty banning floating sea mines. These can bring down NATO to its knees.

Posted by: Jason | Aug 5 2025 23:14 utc | 74

~~~~~~
Stolen from The Internet:
{pic of Trump on WH roof}
>>>>Diddler on the Roof
~~~~~~~

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:15 utc | 75

lester 65
Global Capital wastes fuel by transporting produce across vast distances, because oil is too cheap .
Oil needs to double in price before Gobal Capital starts to think green, instead of green wash. The glut in cheap oil is what deludes Global Capitalism that it can genocide humans at will, with no consequences.
Trump should look in the mirror and see how oil funds US warmongering, before criticising Russia .
But none of that is what I set off to say to you. What I wanted to say is that the world is intoxicated by cheap oil.
Wouldn’t cheap alcohol make it worse?

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 5 2025 23:17 utc | 76

@ oldhippie 42
Five years sounds about right. Someone else could do it quicker, in US it would take that long. Pray tell what do pharmaceutical customers do in that 5 years?
***
1. Synthesize chemical compound
2. Demonstrate its purity in the form to be administered
3. Perform bio-equivalence study with a reference drug – I.e., show in a human study that your generic drug achieves similar blood levels as the approved versions of the drug
4. Submit your data to regulators like the FDA for regulatory approval
5. Scale up production and distribute to pharmacies.

Posted by: Elial22 | Aug 5 2025 23:19 utc | 77

@ Caliman | Aug 5 2025 22:17 utc | 68
you’re suggesting you can nip a depraved, psychopathic, world power, hell bent on dominating the planet in the style of a bully by saying no to the sanctions on iran back in early 2010… that is like saying russia wanted to find peace with the usa over the usa’s nato war on russia and if only russia would go with a ceasefire, everything would work out.. it is whacked out concept caliman.. i can’t see it myself..

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2025 23:21 utc | 78

james- you may be right … in fact, you likely are … but the other powers didn’t even try. They surrendered the field to the hegemon and put a few more dollars in the till …
A bully has to be smacked sometime, otherwise the stakes keep growing. Look what happened after: we moved on from “rules-based” to complete rule by fiat. Maybe if the DC mandarins had been told to F off back then when the stakes were a few tens of billions, it might have had a salutary effect?

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 5 2025 23:32 utc | 79

When Americans decide they want a different USA they will create it. I think they tried a short cut in electing DJT..

Posted by: snake | Aug 5 2025 23:37 utc | 80

Eventually both Athens and Sparta faltered and gave way to the Macedonians but that’s another story.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 5 2025 20:54 utc | 62
You are describing Themistocles Trap-they fought each other and Macedon gained strength and eventually prevailed..
Boyd doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 23:41 utc | 81

I suspect that Trump has been told that Russia is only managing to pay back the interest on the loans which have funded their expansion of their military technology.
Trump knows that Jewish bankers fund the US MIC. which is how they control Congress. I suspect that the same goes for Russia and for everywhere else, which is why we have a genocide in Gaza.
Trump is projecting the imminent collapse of the US onto Russia. War only helps the Jewish Bankers, nobody else.
By contrast China’s State-financed banking helps everybody else.
Islam is a religion of Peace which forbids usury because interest debt gives leverage over your society to criminals like Ben Gvir and Smotrich.
Oh dear, I just said Socialism can save the world. The US barflies are going to scream like banshees all night in rage at what I said.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 5 2025 23:44 utc | 82

@Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 23:41 utc | 79
Stop, get help…

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Aug 5 2025 23:45 utc | 83

But now the U.S., and its European vassals, are trying to impose sanctions and/or tariffs on China and India for their continued buying of Russian oil. This would disturb the new market balance and eventually lead to higher oil prices for everyone.

This (a derivative of an originally stupid move) is what happens when we elect a simpleton for Prez and why we can’t have nice things. Or was that the point in the first place? One can only scratch one’s head and wonder these days.

Posted by: Disinfected | Aug 5 2025 23:48 utc | 84

Russia might allow an exit that does not close off the Black Sea coast and future generations will face another attempt at a Crimean-War 3.0 by the English/Anglo-American schoolboy crowd. ”
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 5 2025 19:30 utc | 45
I agree.
If the SMO does not take Odessa the SMO is a strategic failure.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 23:48 utc | 85

Carryover from last thread. Someone alerted Larry Johnson had a piece about the alleged capture of high value Brits by a Russia SpecOp team deep in Ukraine.
I noticed Larry had cropped the pic to remove the all too obvious AI glitches.
Q: -why would he do that?
A: He knew the pic is AI BS.
Someone in intel desperately desperately desperately *wants* this story to circulate in the twilight zone of alt-media minor mockingbirds.
=Notice it hasn’t had *any* MSM coverage (yet).
This isn’t the first time I’ve caught Johnson out… he’s CIA (former/retired/ex/)… LOL,OK…
He’s a late-comer version of Hal Turner that hasn’t quite become as discredited as Turner (yet).
My advice to the @bar: be very cautious and suspicious of Larry Johnson. = why didn’t he call out the obvious AI of that pic? And why did he crop it to hide the AI glitch?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:54 utc | 86

80
Banking for BlackRock is interest free.
Socialism for the rich elites, but while it is interest free between the criminal elites, it is obviously not free for the Sudanese and peoples of Sham in West Asia.
The reason why the Genocide is happening in Gaza is that while waiving the interest, the Genocidal Jewish Banksters do charge interest , but in the currency of diplomacy, not cash.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 5 2025 23:56 utc | 87

@ Caliman | Aug 5 2025 23:32 utc | 77
thanks.. you could be right as well…
i think the bully is in the process of being smacked as we speak… i think we are now seeing this.. better late then never..

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2025 23:58 utc | 88

@ Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:54 utc | 84
i don’t follow larry johnson closely.. i think he does good work, but he sure isn’t perfect.. i generally don’t rely on what anyone says..

Posted by: james | Aug 5 2025 23:59 utc | 89

As to the effect of secondary sanctions on India’s purchase of Russian oil, yes, given the relatively small share of US trade in the Indian economy, plus the de facto weight of Indian pharmaceuticals in retaliation, yes, it is entirely possible India will not submit, even if it announces some sort of deal, which has hidden caveats, carveout, exceptions, undefined goals, no timetable, etc.
But it’s like tariff war on Brazil…the attack is as much political as economic. Yes, the US doesn’t have such economic power. But given the current state of affairs for India vs. Pakistan. (India is one the powers most likely to initiate nuclear warfare in my opinion.) The China-Pakistan Economic Corridor matters as much as the US share of Indian trade. That I can’t predict. Pakistan seems to be growing closer to China. Does India grow closer to the US in reaction/anticipation? The people in India and Pakistan are agents of history, just as much as Trump.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2025 0:05 utc | 90

Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 23:41 utc | 79
Hum hum hum…
What has Themistocles to do here? He died well before the Peloponnese war…
And the Thucydides “trap” is a stupid idea by the yankee Allison which is not to be found in Thucydides.
The Peloponnese war ended in -401. The rise of the Macedonian Greeks is more than 50 years later (battle of Cheronee -338).
The Macedonian Greeks planned to free the Greek cities under the Persian rule.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2025 0:11 utc | 91

If the SMO does not take Odessa the SMO is a strategic failure.
Posted by: canuk | Aug 5 2025 23:48 utc | 83

The Russians do not care at all about your opinion.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2025 0:12 utc | 92

@SpencerHakimian
xwitter (with graph)

Exports have fallen right off a cliff since March.
Countries around the world are responding to the US trade war by boycotting American goods and services.
Another penalty that Americans are paying for Trump’s tariff crusade.

He cites this:
https://nitter.net/_Investinq/status/1952740023805034994
§| U.S. trade deficit eased to $60.2 billion in June
Good news? Not so fast.
What sounds like progress is actually a red flag for the economy.
§| Here’s why the deficit shrank
Imports fell by $15.4B
Exports also dropped by $3.9B
Translation: We didn’t sell more to the world, we just bought less from it.
That’s like your monthly spending going down, not because you got a raise but because you’re skipping takeout and gas is too expensive.
§| What did we stop buying? The biggest drops were
• Pharmaceuticals (down $3.6B)
• Crude oil (down $2.0B)
• Cellphones & electronics (down $1.1B)
• Passenger cars (down $0.9B)
This wasn’t the result of smart policy, it was a sign of weakening demand especially for expensive or industrial goods
§| And what about our exports? We also sold less abroad
Industrial materials & gold: down $1.3B
Capital goods (like equipment): down $0.7B
Cars & parts: down $0.3B
The only thing that increased? Travel services (up $0.2B) from people visiting the US
So no, the world isn’t buying more from us either.
§| Despite all the political talk, the U.S. still imported $38.9B from China in June.
We only exported $16.4B back. That’s a $22.5B trade gap basically unchanged.
India? $6.9B in, only $2.0B out. Another $4.9B deficit. So no, tariffs haven’t closed the gap.
§| So why did the trade gap fall in June? Not because we’re thriving. Because:
• Companies ordered less inventory
• People bought fewer imported goods
• Factories used less oil and materials
That’s not a sign of strength. It’s a sign of slowing momentum.
§| One massive red flag? Pharmaceutical imports fell by $3.6B. That could mean:
• Drug prices fell
• Pharmacies had too much inventory
• Consumers cut back
• Or the supply chain shifted
But either way, it was a major chunk of the drop in imports.
§| Oil imports also fell by $2.0B. That could be from lower oil prices or simply less oil being used.
U.S. energy demand has been flat or down, and if factories are slowing, that checks out.
Less oil = less activity = lower economic output.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 6 2025 0:38 utc | 93

Trump is doing everything he can (unconsciously) to bring China, Russia, and India together. What a great job he is doing. Keep it up Donny boy! Yippee!
Making BRICS and Global South Even Greater, and more allied, all those countries. He’s ended the ‘Great Game’ that has been going on for centuries. What a job. Even bringing China and India together. Nice work.
I wonder whatever happened to the QUAD btw? More like the the TRIAD now given Trump’s bullying of India.

Posted by: George | Aug 6 2025 0:39 utc | 94

ID2020.
The slow, planned, inevitable enactment of global digital, DNA based identification of everyone (including animals) continues unnoticed by almost everyone.

Mexico’s Congress last month approved reforms to existing laws that allow for the creation of an identity document that contains biometric data, including fingerprints and iris scans.
Supported by President Claudia Sheinbaum and the ruling Morena party, the reforms to the laws enabling the creation of a CURP biométrica (biometric CURP) took effect on July 17 after the publication of a decree in the federal government’s official gazette the previous day.

In before Muh “off topic”.
If every MoA thread can at some point wander off into the weeds of The Fall of the Roman Empire, or Athenian-Sparta war… then there’s a place for a post drawing attention to what is actually fucking happening right fucking now, in 2025, not in Year-who-gives-a-shit-BC …..
And a comment on The Internet re the Mexico situation:

The digital ID in Mexico didn’t happen overnight, it took them some time to develop.
You think a jewish woman from Lithuania, groomed by the WEF, can win an election in Mexico… just like that?
There were several steps and approaches, with tons of violence, bribes and spying
Mexico voted for it overnight, there was no chance to even react, one day you wake up, digital ID is in place.

Argentina is likely next. It’s got a strange person “chosen” for leadership there.
other countries with active digital id systems.
Austria-ID Austria
China-The National Online Identity Authentication Public Service
Denmark-mitID
Estonia-e-ID
Singapore-Singpass
South Korea-Mobile IDentification App
Spain-MiDNI
UAE-UAE pass
Headline: Starmer orders move towards digital ID system

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 6 2025 0:41 utc | 95

“PUTIN has removed all Restrictions on the use of ‘ORESHNIK’ IRBM against UKRAINE and NATO Countries”. (Now being mass produced).
https://www.youtube.com/@borzzikman
https://www.rt.com/russia/622370-putin-oreshnik-completion-production

Posted by: George | Aug 6 2025 0:49 utc | 96

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:54 utc | 84
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Borzikkman did a piece on the captured troops; they have several sources on the Russian side.
It is possible they got it wrong, but I am inclined to believe it based on the location and capture strategy.
I don’t trust McGregor, Ritter, Johnson, Wilkerson, Napolitano, or ANY American source.
I don’t listen to them for information. I listen to them for interpretation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2025 0:53 utc | 97

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 5 2025 23:54 utc | 84
I think is a bit of a band wagon jumper, recycling lots of rumours and using it as filler for his many appearances on alt-media. To be taken with a pinch of salt and the fact he may be a more or less willing dupe of darker forces.
As regards the alleged Brit captives – never believe a rumour until it has been officially denied.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 6 2025 0:57 utc | 98

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 6 2025 0:41 utc | 93
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Adults who intend to stay in the West will have to reconcile themselves with biometric ID and digital currency (with all of the tracking and control that implies).
Everyone sees what is coming, do as our ancestors did. Emigrate.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2025 0:58 utc | 99

That would seriously damage everyday life of US companies and US consumers. The US outsourced vital part of its business infrastructure to India. There is no way to move it back to the US so its a very effective weapon.
Posted by: J_Schneider | Aug 5 2025 18:33 utc | 37
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Not this consumer!
I rail at these call centers and their poor struggling employees with every call I can’t avoid making.
They are sweet individuals, but they need to find something else to do.
These call centers, handling calls from Americans, need to be in the USA. Period.
I don’t see why the call centers cannot be moved back to the USA.
This should be an easy one for Trump.
For starters, a lot of these are not “centers”—they are people using their “smart snooper phones” from who knows where.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 6 2025 1:25 utc | 100