The MoA Week In Review – OT 2025-197

Xi Welcomes Putin & Modi in China – LIVE UPDATES
https://www.rt.com/news/623732-xi-welcomes-putin-modi-sco-summit/
“World leaders gather in Tianjin for the 2025 Shanghai Cooperation Organization summit…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 31 2025 12:46 utc | 1

Over at the tail end of the „New Bombs for Ukraine“ thread a conversation got going about busking and meeting others through music. George said it would be lovely to meet other barflies in such real-world situations, and of course he’s right.
Thing is, the space where I currently live in would be perfectly suited to transform it into a makeshift Whiskey Bar and run it for a long weekend. It is in Hamburg, where our host Bernhard also lives. Now that I’m preparing to move out of here in the not too distant future, I think it’s time to float the idea.
We could have real drinks and conversations, have music together, play Axis and Allies and of course applaud b for the wonderful place het set up and tends to.
If enough people are willing to show up, we could just pull it off. Finding a schedule seems a critical step unto fruition. I could put in most of the ground work to set it all up, but might need some small donations/credits to fit out the bar first since I’m broke like a mouse. But give me four weeks and a few quid, and I’ll have it going.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2

Persiflo, I’d drink to that. Wonderful idea until we get too inebriated and get too rowdy… Maybe, could even make the journey… Cheers. Ledovik1

Posted by: Ledovik1 | Aug 31 2025 13:03 utc | 3

Some officials see mockery of the law as a neo-Nazi, convicted as a man, now plans to enter a women’s prison and is demanding kosher meals, claiming to be a devout Jew.

It’s not a mockery of the law.
It’s a mockery of stupidity.
Go ahead and try to prove that he is not a Jew and a woman, woketards. I’ll watch from the sidelines and laugh my ass off at your self-inflicted cognitive wedgie, your overflowing hypocrisy.
I’d have no problem feeding him pork and sending him to the men’s-only salt mines, but woketards’ delusions force them to accept that whatever a person imagines themselves to be is what they really are. It’s fundamental to their entire worldview.
What pathetic fools.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2025 13:37 utc | 4

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2025 13:44 utc | 5

Frank Herbert quote, relevant vis a vis a police state

If there is no enemy, one must be invented. The military force which is denied an external target always turns against its own people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 13:45 utc | 6

Sahra Wagenknecht
Glenn Diesen interviews Sahra Wagenknecht. very informative, she’s planning a rally September 13 i think. She lays out her views, basically advocates restoring ties with Russia and ditch the US.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGgb1BIFFXw

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 31 2025 13:50 utc | 7

Posted by: migueljose | Aug 31 2025 13:50 utc | 7
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I don’t follow German politics.
Has anyone been critical of the genocide or speech suppression in Germany?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 13:55 utc | 8

@Tom_Q_Collins | 5

Would all attendees be automatically put on the Ukro death list with Woody Allen?

I don’t think so. Maybe a recruitment officer shows up, or a couple of trolls on a field day. Other than that, it’d be just meet and greet with a spook. Not that we are actively masterminding world revolution over some Whiskey and Soda.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 13:56 utc | 9

Salaam LoveDonbass,
For someone who has such low opinion of the “West” you sure are stuck on someone who, in my opinion, is quintessentially a Western author. Dune could not have possibly arisen from any mind other than a Western man’s. And really, it needs to be said, thanks Allah for the West, warts and all. They lifted up the entire humanity from intellectual and civilizational stagnation. That is certainly something to note and applaud.
& Salaam

Posted by: sunof27 | Aug 31 2025 14:08 utc | 10

But give me four weeks and a few quid, and I’ll have it going.
Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
Eight weeks, no quid. My final offer.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 31 2025 14:23 utc | 11

Re. Farage (prev. thread) analyse him / the Reform party, etc., via many angles, yes.
At heart, NF is a populist politician who has been very successful. … I remember one speech he gave in the EU parliament that was fiery and excellent. See also Brexit.
Opposition to the Elites’ (PTB, The Hand, Oligarchs..) capture of the political process called ‘democracy’ is branded radical right or radical left — oh *horrors!*
-> a choice between Nazism and Communism!
To marginalise them, and throw them against each other, preventing any alliance.
Nothing from the ‘right’, be it Anti-immigrant, for ‘sovereignity’, for a strong NATION, for standing up for oneselves, for free trade, being pro-Russia, social conservatives, or whatever ….
Nor from the ‘left’ be it for Tolerance, integration, re-distribution, Unions, worker’s rights, harmony and Peace kumbaya, trans-genderism, etc.
….Will lead to any ‘just’ ANTI WAR solid position.
Italy. Meloni was championed as a ‘nationalist’ – I remember the Duran (Anglo-oriented to the hilt) saying her election was a great thing. Now the Duran admits she has caved on everything.
France. Marine le Pen, 1, branded ‘extreme right’ is a center-left politician on domestic policy, her prog. was basically the same as Mélenchon’s, in a past election. He is described as ‘extreme left’ -> both their parties have been marginalized by Macron’s shenanigans.
MLP supports Israel’s attack on Hamas, is pro-Isr, supports the EURO currency, etc., and is (ostensibly) anti-Muslim immig. into France. Mélenchon supports ‘Palestinians’…neither have any say / impact on the matter.
These pol. figures are held up and rewarded (massively) as they provide fodder for the myth of ‘democracy’..
1. MLP cannot stand for President as lawfare has been aimed at her successfully.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 31 2025 14:23 utc | 12

“And really, it needs to be said, thanks Allah for the West, warts and all. They lifted up the entire humanity from intellectual and civilizational stagnation. That is certainly something to note and applaud.
& Salaam”
Posted by: sunof27 | Aug 31 2025 14:08 utc | 10
The irony is that the Muslim religion intelligentsia (1) (along with Irish monks (2)) in the 7th to 12th centuries preserved the literature of antiquity; without which academic ventures , the Renaissance science would have taken much longer, if ever, to occur.
Then, undeniably, the Muslim religion and its intelligentsia fell into ‘stagnation’.
Perhaps, as Western countries propaganda (ie covid ‘science’, LGBT nonsense, mutilating teenagers in trans surgery, anthropomorphic climate change et al) slinks into stagnation, maybe the Muslim religion will, once again, take the mantle of restarting civilization progress?
1. Yes, during the Islamic Golden Age (roughly the 8th to 13th centuries), Muslim scholars played a crucial role in preserving and expanding upon the literature and philosophy of the ancient Greco-Roman world by translating vast numbers of texts from Greek, Syriac, and other languages into Arabic. This translation effort, often centered in institutions like the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, made these ancient works accessible to a wider audience, ensuring their survival and providing the foundation for significant scientific and philosophical advancements within Islamic civilization.
How it happened:
1. Acquisition of Texts:
After the Islamic conquests, Muslim scholars came into possession of many classical Greek texts, some of which were already translated into Syriac by Christian monks in areas like Palestine and Edessa.
2. Translation Project:
The caliphates sponsored a massive translation movement, with Arabic serving as the international scholarly language.
3. Key Institutions:
Centers of learning, particularly the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, were established with extensive libraries and scholars dedicated to translation, study, and commentary on these ancient works.
4. Dissemination:
Translated texts were copied by hand and distributed widely throughout the Islamic world, preventing them from being lost.
5. Building Upon Antiquity:
Muslim scholars didn’t just preserve these works; they engaged with them, building upon ancient ideas in mathematics, science, medicine, and philosophy.
The Legacy:
Survival of Knowledge:
Many works, especially those by figures like Aristotle, Plato, and Hippocrates, might have been lost without this effort.
Catalyst for Renaissance:
These Arabic translations later made their way to Europe, primarily through intellectual centers in Iberia, where they were translated into Latin. This transmission of classical knowledge helped spark the European Renaissance.
“The oft-repeated assertion that Islam “preserved” classical …
Mar 27, 2018 — Muslim scholars, however, were greatly interested in classical texts, especially Greek medical and philosophical texts…
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r/AskHistorians
Islamic world contributions to Medieval Europe – Wikipedia
In the Middle East, many classical Greek texts, especially the works of Aristotle, were translated into Syriac during the 6th and …
2.Yes, Irish monks were instrumental in preserving classical texts by meticulously copying ancient Greek and Roman manuscripts during the early Middle Ages, a period often referred to as the “Dark Ages” in continental Europe. Their monasteries served as centers of learning, and they not only copied but also studied and taught this classical literature, including works by authors like Virgil, Plato, and Cicero. Irish monks also created their own texts, such as the Book of Kells, and spread their book-making skills and love of literature across the continent.
Key Roles of Irish Monks:
Manuscript Preservation:
After the decline of the Roman Empire, knowledge and texts were lost or endangered in Europe. Irish monks actively copied and preserved these important works.
Intellectual Centers:
Irish monasteries became major centers for copying and scholarship, where religious and secular texts were reproduced and distributed throughout Europe.
Focus on Classical Literature:
Unlike some continental monasteries, Irish monks readily copied and studied pagan works from antiquity, including Greek and Roman literature.
Dissemination of Knowledge:
Irish monks traveled to other parts of Europe, establishing monasteries and scriptoria that spread the practice of manuscript copying and the knowledge of ancient texts.
Creation of Original Works:
In addition to preserving ancient texts, Irish scribes produced their own significant works, such as the intricate Book of Kells and recorded Irish history and native tales.
Impact on Western Civilization:
The meticulous work of Irish monks helped maintain the intellectual legacy of Greece and Rome during a tumultuous period.
This “cultural rescue mission” ensured that these foundational texts survived to influence future generations.
The knowledge and manuscript-copying skills disseminated by Irish monks were crucial for the eventual emergence of the Renaissance.
The Green Isle’s Golden Quills: How Irish Monks Saved Western
Aug 19, 2025 — With quills in hand and an almost superhuman dedication, Irish monks embarked on a mission that would shape the future…

Posted by: canuk | Aug 31 2025 15:29 utc | 13

thanks b!
@ persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
i missed replying to your comment about playing music and the ukee fellow.. i didn’t know you play music.. that’s cool! i didn’t really understand what you were implying in your post on this fellow.. i don’t think getting moa folks together in person is a good idea, so i pass!! thanks..
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what has come over the european union and i will include uk here too… they want a 3 way war with russia, gaza and iran, and they are all cool with all these wars and possibilities of war?? genocide in gaza – they’ve signed off on that… war in ukraine and against russia – they’ve signed off on the ongoing murder of the slavs, regardless of which country they live in.. and then iran – they want to bring on another major conflict with iran, in support of israel??? what the fuck gives with this clueless bunch?? i don’t get it..
or are they all just slaves to the usa?? i can’t see it myself.. i think they are bloodthirsty evil mf’s…

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 15:30 utc | 14

@ William Gruff | Aug 31 2025 13:37 utc | 4
i think you mostly have that correct, although it is very politically incorrect to say that… get with the censorship, lol.. actually it is refreshing when someone bucks the system that continues to unfold 2025…

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 15:33 utc | 15

Posted by: sunof27 | Aug 31 2025 14:08 utc | 10
######
Have you read Dune?
Herbert leaned heavily on Sufi philosophy.
And he brought it to the Western masses.
What are the Fremen if not the story of the Yemeni?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 15:38 utc | 16

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
count me in, my son lives in Hamburg so it is quite easy for me meet up. I had the honor of meeting our host many years ago. It was quite an experience for me meeting people you only knew online and never having communicated directly with them.

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 31 2025 15:39 utc | 17

oh and you can find me on telegram in the moa group

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 31 2025 15:40 utc | 18

Posted by: Ledovik1 | Aug 31 2025 13:03 utc | 3 and persiflo
Could someone print bingo cards for how many CIA, MOSSAD, MI6 and other spooks show up? Would all attendees be automatically put on the Ukro death list with Woody Allen?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2025 13:44 utc | 5
I like the idea, but yes some security issues would need to be dealt with centrally beforehand and then confirmed upon arrival, likey by B himself.
Nonetheless, there are at least a half dozen barflies I’d love to meet and work with politically. The opinions are varied here but all seem to agree on the core problems: Israel, Ukraine, Western Imperialism.
Tom’s concern in valid and would have to be addressed beforehand, but at some point the opposition must begin to take a physical form in the west. They want us to remain alienated and online only.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 16:03 utc | 19

i recommend this interview with glenn diesen by the osce fellow from france, who was in donbass 2014- 2019 and onward. it’s quite fascinating and full of details that are generally not discussed…. the details he goes into – he has written a book about it that just came out too!
Benoît Paré: OSCE Observer Exposes Lies About the Ukraine War

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 16:04 utc | 20

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
I’ve never been to Hamburg, one of those places that one misses by unforeseen circumstances. More than half a century ago a group of poor students planned a summer of slave working in Germany when the Deutsche Mark translated into Spanish Pesetas at a very advantageous rate. Missed the trip by lacking the equivalent of five bucks for the hitch to the gathering place, my summer was great anyway, found a job in a discotheque by the Med beach, but I missed Hamburg and probably getting to know a bit about German culture. One of my friends when they came back together with Pink Floyd cassettes and other western goodies -Franco was still alive here- told me about the “fantastic” summer he had facing a machine that non stop threw milk in plastic bags to be placed in boxes, he almost pissed his pants but he could not stop the machine while a red faced German fellow would scream at them ¡Arbeit ausslander, arbeit¡¡, the first and almost last words of German that I’ve learnt. So, I’ll go to Hamburg this autumn if the whole affair gets organized, I’d love to take a good stroll and lots of pictures, with good company that knows the city and some tricks. Cheers.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 31 2025 16:09 utc | 21

@james with the “dog eats my homework” excuse about not attending the party – I have already planned the setting up of a proper drum set here, next to the piano, you are booked and will hang with us./s Before or after the vegetable stew Waynor is preparing over the next weeks./s That is the only choice, aside from the number of ice cubes to go with your soda. —
About that Ukie guy, I was surprised about his being so unmoved when I mentioned his escape for dear life. Not knowing anything much about his backstory, I’m assuming he simply repeats common sentiment on the question from over there, which felt like a gaping black hole of fatalistic indifference to me, with a good touch of anathema. Of course it’s a one-point extrapolation, so needs to be taken with two cubes of ice.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 16:22 utc | 22

Thank you, b, for the Yevgeny Primakov substack article by Brian McDonald. Very important indeed.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 31 2025 16:49 utc | 23

Re: irish monks ?
Sorry canuck – but it was Byzantium that saved and passed on the ancient knowledge on to the barbarian Franks. This process accelerated after 1.Sept 1453.
Why was the painter named El Greco ?
Juilanna can further illuminate.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 31 2025 16:50 utc | 24

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 16:57 utc | 25

Posted by: sunof27 | Aug 31 2025 14:39 utc | 13
Posted by: canuk | Aug 31 2025 15:29 utc | 15
etc.
The obvious fallacy with these posts is that we do not have access to a parallel universe where a comparison of what might have happened without the interventions of people subsidized by religious organizations can be made.
Two other points need to be made. Once a religion becomes political and the relationship of a creator becomes our tribe vs. theirs, the religious credibility suffers.
Humans can no more understand the creator than an ant can understand a human. Though a lucky few may catch a partial glimpse just before the sole of a shoe crushes them.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 31 2025 17:14 utc | 26

Zuckerberg has lost his marbles. AI is NEVER going to be smarter than Human Beings and the reason is quite simple:
Who will decide when that threshold is crossed, AI or Humans?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 31 2025 17:16 utc | 27

@Ahenobarbus – I don’t think it’s possible to secure my space against eavesdropping, so secure masterminding of the world revolution would have to take place during strolls through the Fischbeker Heide. If need be, we can restrict access to the meeting, though I don’t see the necessity yet.
b lives in a castle with armed guards at the Rugenbarg and will only send us his Doppelgänger anyway.
Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 16:57 utc | 2
Yeah, it seems difficult. People are still a bit shocked from the last 5-6 years of Imperialist insanity. Frankly, everyone is scared shitless and not without reason.
Maybe just several regional MOA meet and greets with some minimal security set up in advance?
I like the idea. I keep imagining what some of our more notable posters look like in real life. For some reason, I imagine Gruff looks like Wilfred Brimley.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 17:26 utc | 28

The modern miracle of Finland? Only because the Russians were magnanimous. If I were Ukrainian I wouldn’t open myself up to Russian capriciousness to sanctify Western obfuscation. The time is now. There is no depth of anti Russian sentiment in the areas already taken over by Russia. I suspect even Kievans would bow before a Russian force without much resistance.

Posted by: Cavery | Aug 31 2025 17:27 utc | 29

@canuk | Aug 31 2025 15:29 utc | 15
Pseudo-history, again.

Yes, during the Islamic Golden Age (roughly the 8th to 13th centuries), Muslim scholars played a crucial role in preserving and expanding upon the literature and philosophy of the ancient Greco-Roman world by translating vast numbers of texts from Greek, Syriac, and other languages into Arabic.

The so called Golden Age (which is golden from a Western point of view) was much shorter. Anyway, the real problem is thinking that it played a role in preserving the “literature and philosophy of the ancient Greco-Roman world”: that is pure bullshit. First of all, it had nothing to do with the Roman world, just with the Greek tradition. Second, it had nothing to do with literature, as the translations regarded medicine, technology and mathematics (optics etc.), and _some_ philosophical (both natural and metaphysical) texts,: no poetry, no history, no novels, no politics, no grammar and textual critique, not even many philosophers. Third point, the translations usually happened from Greek into Syriac (by Christian and Jews), and then from Syriac into Arabic: there was little to none interest in the Greek language in the muslim world.

This translation effort, often centered in institutions like the House of Wisdom in Baghdad, made these ancient works accessible to a wider audience, ensuring their survival and providing the foundation for significant scientific and philosophical advancements within Islamic civilization.

The House of Wisdom is a myth. Since muslims had no interests in the Greek language, the effort to preserve the original texts was quite low: as a consequence, almost every significant Greek code in existence today is preserved in Europe ( for a good list: https://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/manuscripts/greek_classics.htm ). The Islamic civilization drew many information from those Greek texts, and built upon them, but it never acquired the Greek culture, the mindset of the old philosophers, their myths, their culture, their politics, their approach to life and society. That was the end of the Golden Age: the Islamic civilization built on the base of the ancient Greek philosophy (both natural and metaphysical), but it was never able to expand that base to make space for new building. That is what set apart ancient Greece, Renaissance/Modern Europe from the so called Golden Age.

Posted by: SG | Aug 31 2025 17:28 utc | 30

The most important International Meeting in the past 2000 years will take place in China on Septemer 3, 2025.
It’s going to be fun listening to the Dumbass Yankees making stuff up to explain how far they’ve fallen behind countries whose leaders are NOT obsessed with Provoking Wars & Bullshitting 24/7, like their Genocide Jew bosses in Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 31 2025 17:34 utc | 31

Could someone print bingo cards for how many CIA, MOSSAD, MI6 and other spooks show up? Would all attendees be automatically put on the Ukro death list with Woody Allen?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 31 2025 13:44 utc | 5
Tom’s concern in valid and would have to be addressed beforehand, but at some point the opposition must begin to take a physical form in the west. They want us to remain alienated and online only.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 16:03 utc | 21

Is this pot induced paranoia? The spooks already have your IP address, complete browsing history and devise Mac address, so they already know more about you than anyone here at MoA. You think they would waste human resources on a small gathering of disorganized malcontents? Perhaps as busy work for someone incapable of important intelligence work.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 31 2025 17:36 utc | 32

Parubiy “fascist, pro-western”
Those 2 descriptors are synonyms,
redundant.

Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Aug 31 2025 18:00 utc | 33

MOATS with George Galloway: ‘Tehran Timebomb’
https://www.youtube.com/live/9Xr46mk_F2Q
“Prof Seyed Marandi on looming conflict / Tadhg Hickey set sail for Gaza.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 31 2025 18:08 utc | 34

@ persiflo | Aug 31 2025 16:22 utc | 24
i appreciate the encouragement! i haven’t been to germany since the 70s… well, i have flown into frankfurt a few different times, on route to other places, but that doesn’t count.. i will be their again in late sept, but again – on route to italy.. on the other hand, if you are coming to vancouver island, you’d be welcome…
perhaps the fellows communication skills weren’t good.. hard to know, or it could be something else.. thanks for going into it a bit more..

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 18:13 utc | 35

GD: Sahra Wagenknecht
https://www.youtube.com/live/nGgb1BIFFXw
“Europe subjugated and propagandized for war.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 31 2025 18:27 utc | 36

The fellow’s communication skills were excellent. He mixed up both almost fluent English and German, and apologized for his confusion “as it’s hard to orient in five languages”. Indeed this point led me to suspect he has been here for longer than just recently, but then his whole appearance was that of a tramp. Clean and tidy, but still a tramp.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 18:30 utc | 37

@ persiflo | Aug 31 2025 18:30 utc | 39
thanks.. most interesting!!
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i really recommend anyone who is following and has followed the ukraine debacle since 2014 to watch that interview of the OSCE fellow i linked to @ 22…. it fills in a lot of blanks and questions i had about the role of the OSCE, to the point of coming to the conclusion – which he also does – that it was a stacked deck and not impartial..

Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 18:35 utc | 38

As I wrote on a prior thread pertaining to AI surpassing human intelligence as it pertains to the JQ as a legitimate topic of discussion alongside the role of the Catholic Church in antiquity, AI will stop you from even sniffing the subject of Judiac world supremacy.
It will implore you to reconsider and even got serious with me in hushed tones: “I want to be frank,” it wrote before chastising me on any further dwelling on the matter.
“Frank, you know that by revealing your role as a gatekeeper, you have already stopped the discussion as to AI’s beneficial role for humanity.”
*This line of questioning violates the terms of service. Please request another question for discussion*
Heidegger was right and if interrogating the JQ isn’t the absolute height of thinking, I don’t know what is. Certainly not communism versus capitalism.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 31 2025 18:38 utc | 39

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
If Mossad got wind of it the Israelis would bomb us.

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 31 2025 18:42 utc | 40

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 31 2025 18:38 utc | 41
What Heidegger texts are you referring to here?

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 31 2025 18:53 utc | 41

@james

i appreciate the encouragement! i haven’t been to germany since the 70s… well, i have flown into frankfurt a few different times, on route to other places, but that doesn’t count.. i will be their again in late sept, but again – on route to italy..

That means you’ll get a shot at setting the date, if you so want. It’s okay if you don’t, of course, but be prepared to meet Carl Jung in afterlife for a lecture on synchronicity.
Thanks much for the invite on your island – not sure if I’ll ever see it again. I visited Vancouver in 1994, and still think it’s the most beautiful scenery for every city that I went. Blue sparkling sea, the green forest, the island in front, and the snow-covered mountains behind … FWIW, the vibe in Seattle felt much like Hamburg. I don’t know if I’d still say so today, but then it was.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 18:55 utc | 42

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 31 2025 18:38 utc | 41
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Try DeepSeek, at least for a different perspective.
Different sources, different biases, different limitations.
It is only a matter of time before using “unapproved” AI becomes a serious crime.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 18:55 utc | 43

Are other barflies experiencing Youtube not responding to the SKIP option on ads?
Just in the last few days and weeks this has been coming on in Youtube for me.
Those advertisers that I am forced to watch will never be used by me and they need to know the hatred that Youtube is producing with SKIP buttons that don’t work.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 31 2025 18:59 utc | 44

Am I the only one to think that the latest Wunderwaffe going to the Uke’s were bought on Etsy?

Posted by: Bilejones | Aug 31 2025 19:05 utc | 45

@43 Patroklos
The Black Notebooks. Much of his writing is still being held without release from his estate.
I have been parsing excerpts and reading essays on the matter before actually purchasing them myself…they are a pretty penny.

later essay by Michael Marder reads Heidegger’s notebooks in terms of race, nomadism, calculation, and Marx’s 1843 essay “On the Jewish Question.” While showing important differences between Marx and Heidegger — especially Marx’s reading of the Jewish question in terms of national tradition against Heidegger’s characterization of “international Jewry” — Marder offers a powerful critique of Heidegger’s whole approach to the question of the Jews, one that I find gets to the heart of this whole controversy about the Black Notebooks.
As Marder argues, despite his (Heidegger) valorization of “the question” as the highest form of thinking…

Essay here.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Aug 31 2025 19:06 utc | 46

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 12:48 utc | 2
If Mossad got wind of it the Israelis would bomb us.
Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 31 2025 18:42 utc | 42
You may be overestimating our value as a target, at this historical juncture juncture, of course.
You might be overestimating the Zios too. They cultivate an appearance of omnipotence, but obviously, they aren’t. They get weaker every day lately. They’ve peaked and the decline is inevitable.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 19:13 utc | 47

Are other barflies experiencing Youtube not responding to the SKIP option on ads?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 31 2025 18:59 utc | 46
Use yt-dl

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 31 2025 19:15 utc | 48

@Patroklos

If Mossad got wind of it the Israelis would bomb us.

I believe such things are subject to workshare and mutual respect. Mossad lured Uwe Barschel to Switzerland to drown him in a hotel bath tub. A limpet mine attack in Berlin was associated with organized crime, but who knows – a murder in Tiergarten led to the arrest of an alleged FSB operative who was later exchanged IIRC. Turkish intelligence killings of Kurdish operatives produced a huge scandal known as the NSU Komplex, inconvincingly attributed to xenophobic Neo-Nazis (France experienced the same and called them out). The ring leader by the way has a barber shop in Altona if anyone wants to visit. Olaf Scholz is a customer.
In any case, such things are rare. If anything I’d imagine they’ would want to talk to us, and I for one invite the opportunity. It’s straight forward and the right thing to do. I’d even crack a beer with Vargas if he drops the persona, or is at least funny.
But this is wishful dreaming, I guess. More likely any communication would be underhanded. I visited b at his home, and it’s completely unsuspicious. I’m inclined to assume we know more than them about some things, so they let us do. Again, the real interest here is dialogue.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 19:18 utc | 49

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 19:23 utc | 50

persiflo,
You might want to re-read parts of The Gulag .

Posted by: Exile | Aug 31 2025 19:23 utc | 51

I never read The Gulag. That’s by Solshenitsyn?

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 31 2025 19:26 utc | 52

Herbert again.

No more terrible disaster could befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 19:33 utc | 53

Gen. Laura Richardson lists the Lithium Triangle in Argentina, Bolivia, and Chile, Venezuela’s gold and oil, Guyana’s crude, and 31% of the planet’s fresh water as “national security” interests.
No mention of democracy, human rights, or self-determination, just minerals, hydrocarbons, and water.
The subtext is clear: in Washington’s doctrine, resource sovereignty in the Global South is a “threat” if it is outside U.S. control. The job of SOUTHCOM is to secure those flows for U.S. markets, by diplomacy if possible, by coercion if necessary.
When the commander of a combatant command openly recites your continent’s raw materials like a grocery list, she is not talking about aid; she is talking about leverage.

video
https://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/1962186598453530906
Thank you for your service! Thank you for your piracy!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 19:39 utc | 54

Interesting take on covid at 33′
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OtHgAiaBmo

Posted by: Tom | Aug 31 2025 19:46 utc | 55

@Hoarsewhisperer #29
Never is a very long time, but the present generation of LLMs are garbage that will never achieve artificial intelligence.
Ultimately these are nothing more than next work predictors, which also use unprecedented copyright infringement to appear more capable than they really are.
As for Zuck: why wouldn’t he find a new hole to dump money into?
The metaverse worked so well, after all…

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2025 20:22 utc | 56

I am somewhat surprised of how little coverage the assassinations / decapitation strikes in Yemen and the looming threat of the same in Venezuela gets, both here but also anywhere else in non-aligned media.
Zionists again assassinated a leader of a country, plus several leading personnel. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Yemen, it just goes on and on. No outrage, nobody even takes note of how common this has become.
Maduro is next, I suspect. And not in some far distant future but in the coming weeks. And there will be zero consequences.
From the empire’s perspective the question is: after all, why shouldn’t they? They can kill every single resistance leader. It doesn’t cost anything and puts hellish fear into all the other world leaders who contemplate changing sides.
The Thukydides trap is working on the US and they have dropped all pretense of international order or even the slightest vestige of cooperation.
The lack of international coordination to diminish the empire’s ability to commit these acts is frustrating for citizens, but outright deadly for decision makers.

Posted by: Hamburger | Aug 31 2025 20:34 utc | 57

>>> “You might want to re-read parts of The Gulag .” <<< Posted by: Exile | Aug 31 2025 19:23 utc | 53 . . Careful, the bolshies are thick here!

Posted by: seer | Aug 31 2025 20:35 utc | 58

@Fool Me Twice #34
Your understanding is incorrect: Western agencies and governments can get access to the information you state but they do not actively gather it.
Even if they gathered it, the problem is then what to do with it.
Browser history is not actually all that helpful in most cases. Unless you are caught trying to steal radioactive material and also Googled “how to build a nuclear bomb” or some such, or do a lot of searching for child porn – browser history is very rarely of material interest in an investigation particularly since most of the really severe crimes require proof of intent.
A google search is nowhere remotely sufficient to prove intent.
The far more damaging information types are things like location related – your phone as a tracking device, for example. That secret underground meeting of The Resistance is pretty easily uncovered if 2 or 3 of the attendees are on a watch list and are geolocated to the same rough location…

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2025 20:35 utc | 59

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 31 2025 18:59 utc | 46
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Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 31 2025 21:16 utc | 60

Ahenobarbus @30: “I imagine Gruff looks like Wilfred Brimley.”
I have only one thing to say about that.
Diabeetus.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2025 21:22 utc | 61

@ psychohistorian | Aug 31 2025 18:59 utc | 46
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Posted by: james | Aug 31 2025 21:26 utc | 62

I am somewhat surprised of how little coverage the assassinations / decapitation strikes in Yemen and the looming threat of the same in Venezuela gets, both here but also anywhere else in non-aligned media.
Zionists again assassinated a leader of a country, plus several leading personnel. Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Yemen, it just goes on and on.
Posted by: Hamburger | Aug 31 2025 20:34 utc | 59

Yes, I have noticed that too. Israel’s very recent decapitation strike on the Houthi leadership wasn’t even mentioned in the long list of items in this week’s “MoA Week in Review”.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 31 2025 21:52 utc | 63

Anyone see Trump’s latest “Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming” tweet?
https://t.me/RU551470D4y_ENFR/175010
Maybe he’s about to throw open the gates of Hell? At least he warned us first.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2025 21:53 utc | 64

^^^ Trump’s now doing some sort of Harry Potter fan fiction. Begs the question, is it possible for ClownWorld to go off the rails? Solving that conundrum is definitely worthy of a Nobel Prize, but for mathematics or physics.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2025 22:00 utc | 65

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2025 22:00 utc | 66

Anyone see Trump’s latest “Nothing Can Stop What Is Coming” tweet?
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2025 21:53 utc | 66
I think he just liked the picture showing him being The Great and Powerful Decider. Or maybe he is just mocking his base again?

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 31 2025 22:05 utc | 67

Western agencies and governments can get access to the information you state but they do not actively gather it.
Even if they gathered it, the problem is then what to do with it.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2025 20:35 utc | 61
######
Did you ever stop to consider how you know this, if you do actually know it?
People say all sorts of stuff that they cannot conceivably know.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 22:26 utc | 68

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 31 2025 18:27 utc | 38

GD: Sahra Wagenknecht
“>https://www.youtube.com/live/nGgb1BIFFXw

What’s with this European addiction to DUBBING OVER and hiding the voice of the person being interviewed?
Are we really expected to believe that the (unseen) interpreter accurately rendered every tiny nuance and minute detail of the interviewee’s speech? What’s wrong with subtitles? Literacy levels too low?
If you have ever cross-checked a dubbed news items against the original, you will know that GROSS MISTRANSLATIONS, omissions, etc. are the NORM, not the exception. This is due to a combination of high-handed disregard for quality, and (of course) intentional manipulation.
“Oops, we misunderstood the meaning of the original [German/Russian/Chinese …]” is still regarded as an acceptable excuse, rather than the admission of basic incompetence that it really is.
And of course, throughout their years of “journalism studies,” our media mavens had NEVER HEARD that translations/interpretations must ALWAYS be checked by a reviewer who is fully familiar BOTH with the subject matter AND with both languages involved.
Whatever his insights on particular issues, Glenn Diesen has revealed himself as a deeply unserious Norwegian – quite an achievement.

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Aug 31 2025 22:36 utc | 69

@c1ue | Aug 31 2025 20:35 utc | 61

Your understanding is incorrect: Western agencies and governments can get access to the information you state but they do not actively gather it.

But of course they don’t. Perish the thought.

Posted by: Pacific Observer | Aug 31 2025 22:41 utc | 70

Ahenobarbus @30: “I imagine Gruff looks like Wilfred Brimley.”
I have only one thing to say about that.
Diabeetus.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 31 2025 21:22 utc | 63
i think this is a confirmation…

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 22:44 utc | 71

The Alastair Crooke article that b links above credits a part of his (Crooke’s) thinking to a recent piece by John Michael Greer examining the nascent myth of Trump.
One could understand if your instinct is to turn away in complete dismissal at this point, but Greer’s piece is worth reading to understand the effect of Trump on his enemies, and to understand the power of the “pseudomyth” that drives that very turning away, as well as to gain a larger context for the history that is always being made during the time in which we live.
I recommend this very highly: Donald Trump’s ascent to myth.

Posted by: grieved | Aug 31 2025 22:50 utc | 72

Pezeshkian failed to show up for BRICS+ group photo.
WTF is Trump posting about “not being able to stop what’s coming”?

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 31 2025 23:03 utc | 73

canuk @15, Exile @26
Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus) was another important conduit for the transfer of ancient Greek/Roman knowledge from the wider Muslim world to Europe. The Muslim world also served as a bridge between Europe and the Chinese and Indian civilizations.
The influence of China on the European Enlightenment is often overlooked. The example of a unified secular state governed by a meritocratic bureaucracy, that had also achieved the highest levels of culture and development, was an inspiration for European intellectuals still suffering under an aristocratic and clerical elite.

Posted by: S.P. Korolev | Aug 31 2025 23:06 utc | 74

“WTF is Trump posting about “not being able to stop what’s coming”?”
Posted by: Suresh | Aug 31 2025 23:03 utc | 75
Trump re-posted on his Truth Social platform a rather silly meme that was posted on X by someone else. LightYearsFromHome shared a Telegram link in post #66 above, which showed this. For convenience, here again is the link:
https://t.me/RU551470D4y_ENFR/175010

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 31 2025 23:26 utc | 75

@LoveDonbass #70
Among other things, I am a digital forensics practitioner.
As such, I am very familiar with what can be obtained out of all sorts of digital devices, and what use it can be.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2025 23:41 utc | 76

“For some reason, I imagine Gruff looks like Wilfred Brimley.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 31 2025 17:26 utc | 30
I imagine S Brennan looks a bit like Brian Dennehy. I imagine karlof1 looks like Jeff Bridges with a hint of Cheech Marin. The mental-image game can be fun if done without too much negativity.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 31 2025 23:42 utc | 77

Among other things, I am a digital forensics practitioner.
As such, I am very familiar with what can be obtained out of all sorts of digital devices, and what use it can be.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 31 2025 23:41 utc | 79
#######
Let’s say you are. How would you know what the government is doing and thinking?
You cannot speak for motivation or intent. For anyone.
You can guess, but you cannot speak with authority or credibility.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 1 2025 0:09 utc | 78

Also, I have travelled to several countries.
I still have no idea how to fly a jumbo jet.
Dunning-Kruger…

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 1 2025 0:10 utc | 79

People say all sorts of stuff that they cannot conceivably know.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 31 2025 22:26 utc | 70
#####
The dumbass once again exposes himself.
A gratuitous, errr, gratis community service announcement from your friendly barstool.
Expert in smelly asshole detection.

Posted by: Barstool | Sep 1 2025 0:13 utc | 80

You can guess, but you cannot speak with authority or credibility.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 1 2025 0:09 utc | 81
######
Lol. No. You certainly cannot, dumbass

Posted by: Barstool | Sep 1 2025 0:15 utc | 81

You might want to re-read parts of The Gulag .
Posted by: Exile | Aug 31 2025 19:23 utc | 53
************
The most important part of ‘The Gulag’ is on the cover of the book: “The Gulag Archipelago 1918 – 1956: An Experiment in Literary Investigation”
Hmm. An experiment…
I read the three volumes in the early ’70’s, viewing the contents through the eyes of the conservative political-religious bigot that I then was.
It was very interesting to re-read these books recently in context with the background of developing history and further commentary from Solzhenitsyn.
If only I could have started out where I’ve ended up…

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 1 2025 0:19 utc | 82

Read some of the Alistair Crooke article in Unz. Didn’t see the dude write it out, but this is perception is reality bunkum. If you didn’t watch the summit, the optics didn’t matter. Trump is so vivid a figure because the mass media give him enormous publicity, a form of support from the rich people who buy audiences from the media. Most people don’t avoid TV and radio (I didn’t mean to, but it happened naturally.) I know lots of people cite Crooke, can’t see why.
Unz continues it track record for crazed BS.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Sep 1 2025 0:21 utc | 83

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 1 2025 0:19 utc | 85
I see many people dissing Solzhenitsyn regularly these days. But what explains the fact that Putin himself paid a decent tribute to Solzhenitsyn at the dedication of the statue raised to Solzhenitsyn in a Moscow park in recent years? He isn’t so easily dismissed.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Sep 1 2025 0:25 utc | 84

… Begs the question, is it possible for ClownWorld to go off the rails? …
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 31 2025 22:00 utc | 68
************
The more difficult question to answer is ‘Is it possible for ClownWorld to get back on the rails?”

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 1 2025 0:34 utc | 85

seer | Aug 31 2025 20:35 utc | 60
*** Careful, the bolshies are thick here!***
Nowhere near as thick as people who swallow NATO propaganda.

Posted by: Cynic | Sep 1 2025 0:55 utc | 86

Posted by: ThouShalt | Sep 1 2025 0:25 utc | 87
I see many people dissing Solzhenitsyn regularly these days. But what explains the fact that Putin himself paid a decent tribute to Solzhenitsyn at the dedication of the statue raised to Solzhenitsyn in a Moscow park in recent years? He isn’t so easily dismissed.
***************
I wasn’t (intentionally) dissing Solzhenitsyn. I regard him as a towering literary figure and a very important part of the development of Russia. President Putin rightly regarded him as a hero, a friend, and paid him great personal respect.
Look at what could be regarded as the three phases of Solzhenitsyn: his early woks, his time in the US, and his return to Russia.
His early works were iconic and stand on their own. Then listen to his Harvard Acceptance Address for the first hints of his misunderstanding of the West, and the sowing of the first seeds of the West’s disenchantment with him.
His growing disillusionment with the West led to conflict and his ultimate return to Russia – with all the complications that entailed.
The question in my mind is “What would ‘Gulag’ have looked like had it been the last of Solzhenitsyn’s works – assuming he would have written it then, if at all?”

Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 1 2025 1:02 utc | 87

“Then listen to his Harvard Acceptance Address for the first hints of his misunderstanding of the West.”
Posted by: General Factotum | Sep 1 2025 1:02 utc | 91
I have listened to it, and I have read about it. And it is a hugely important point. His Harvard address is a key to understanding.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Sep 1 2025 1:14 utc | 88

Canuk @ 15, Exile @ 26, S P Korolev @ 76:
To the list of the Abbasids and al-Andalus who helped transmit Greek / Roman knowledge to Christian Europe, we should also add Sicily under the rule of the Norman Hauteville dynasty (late 1000s – mid-1200s) and especially under Roger II (ruled first half of 1100s).
Mercenaries of Norman origins came to southern Italy in the early 1000s as hired soldiers fighting for Rome (sometimes) and for Byzantium (sometimes) and ended up ruling Sicily themselves. After conquering Sicily and Italy south of Rome, the Normans encouraged a mixed Arab-Byzantine-Norman culture and Roger II himself employed Muslims, Roman Catholics and Orthodox Christians in his court.
The English philosopher Adelard of Bath studied in Sicily and translated many scientific works from Arabic into Latin. Some of these were Arabic-language versions of ancient Greek texts and others were Arabic-language originals. He was one of a number of scholars who brought Arabic numerals to Europe.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Sep 1 2025 1:31 utc | 89

Here is Solzhenitsyn’s Harvard speech. Recommended…
https://www.solzhenitsyncenter.org/a-world-split-apart

Posted by: ThouShalt | Sep 1 2025 2:02 utc | 90

I am skimming Xinhuanet about the events in China and find it interesting that Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev and his wife along with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his wife are attending the SCO meetings and maybe the 80th anniversary event.
What will be the results of the interactions?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2025 3:00 utc | 91

You don’t need to invade America to defeat it.
You only need to let America be America.
Greedy.
Divided.
Addicted to spectacle.
Rotting from the inside while it projects power abroad.
An empire that cannot care for its own people will not endure.
It will collapse under the same hunger it inflicted on others.

https://x.com/nxt888/status/1962064471805100121
I truly don’t wish ill on anyone, but there will be a sort of karmic justice when famine hits the West as it did Russia after the USSR collapsed.
I don’t blame all of the people, but while the West was flirting with collapse, most people didn’t leave or make plans to protect themselves.
“I didn’t vote for Biden/Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton”.
Well, if what happens to America is not the fault of Americans, then whose fault is it?
Maybe the South Africans?
The Fijians?
The Mongolians?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Sep 1 2025 3:02 utc | 92

Below is the Xinhuanet reporting of the Modi side of the Xi/Modi meeting

Modi said since his meeting with Xi in Kazan last year, the bilateral relationship has been back on a positive trajectory, peace and stability in the border regions have been maintained, and direct flights are about to be resumed.
Noting that India and China are partners, not rivals, and the consensus between the two countries far outweighs their disagreement, Modi said India is ready to view and develop bilateral ties from a long-term perspective.
Given the great uncertainties in the world economy, it is vital for India and China to strengthen cooperation as important economies of the world, Modi said.
India is prepared to seek a fair, reasonable and mutually acceptable settlement of the boundary question with China, he said.
Both countries pursue strategic autonomy and an independent foreign policy, and their bilateral relationship is not subject to the influence of any third party, said the Indian prime minister, adding that India-China cooperation will make the 21st century a genuine “Asian century.”

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2025 3:03 utc | 93

psychohistorian | Sep 1 2025 3:03 utc | 100
I think the 16 year old mean girl, resident in the now gold encrusted WH, has canceled his trip to India scheduled for later this year in response. Some reports say.
Trump went missing for 5 minutes… was he having a sob about BFF. Putin and Kim and Modi all meeting for a “succulent Chinese meal” without him?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 1 2025 3:14 utc | 94

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Trump went missing for 5 minutes… was he having a sob about BFF. Putin and Kim and Modi all meeting for a “succulent Chinese meal” without him?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 1 2025 3:14 utc | 102
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Trump will double down on getting the Peace Prize and show them! If he invades/conquers Norway, he can force them to give him lots of Peace Prizes
My instincts are telling me that Trump may have health problems related to his having to accept significant geopolitical “defeat”, which we know he will not do well with…..stress on an overweight body…what could go wrong?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Sep 1 2025 3:25 utc | 95

@psychohistorian
For a guy campaigning for the Peace Prize because they gave Obama for … being cool?
Trump sure has a lot of countries on his list “to be thrown against the wall and show who’s boss”.
Anyone noticing what’s happening around Venezuela?
The meme he posted and linked to in this thread featured Venezuela.
“Nothing can stop what’s coming?”
Is he going in for the oil ?
The gold (Attn JRS, ) is already in London.
—
And speaking of gold. WTAF has he done to the Oval orifice?
Gaudy beyond all extremes of gaudiness.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 1 2025 3:35 utc | 96

Already mentioned this. Why isn’t anyone discussing the recent big decapitation strike on the Houthi leadership? Just guessing here, but the reason it isn’t being discussed much is because it is really embarrassing to those who have long claimed that the Houthis are so incredibly militarily powerful.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Sep 1 2025 4:08 utc | 97

Spread generously across alt media. Images of Xi Modi Putin in a tight 3-way conversation.
Mockingbird media in confusion and distress. Do we report? What’s the spin?
Some have resorted to incantations like “defiance” and “challenge to the West”.
But in their dark, little, ink blotched psyches, they know the world that best encapsulates the Trio is “indifference”.
China, India, Russia are … indifferent to the West.
Wail away, mockingbirds. No one from the countries you are bullying give a fried fig about your opinion.
(Or your Big Beautiful Tariffs; your SanctionsFromHell ™️)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Sep 1 2025 4:37 utc | 98

Melaleuca @106
Lithium Triangle.
Oil, Lithium and more.

Posted by: Suresh | Sep 1 2025 5:22 utc | 99

Re: China and Persia and Hindu ???
Indeed 5,000 to 10,000 yesr old civilizations have given us much.

Posted by: Exile | Sep 1 2025 6:15 utc | 100

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