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August 16, 2025
Summarizing The Summit

The summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia's President Vladimir Putin was shorter than had been planned. But it was mostly successful.

Trump had urgently needed the meeting. He had pushed for a ceasefire in Ukraine. He had threatened to impose secondary sanctions against buyers of Russia's oil to press Russia towards that.

But Russia did not budge. Its interest is to eliminate the root cause of the war in Ukraine – the expansion of NATO towards Russia's borders. A ceasefire would only have paused the war but would not have solved the underlying issue.

For Trump the threat of secondary sanctions had become a trap. Some rather mild addition of tariffs against India had led to a strong backlash. India did not stop buying Russian oil but turned away from the U.S. to endorse Brics, Russia and China. Imposing secondary sanctions against China would have escalated into a trade war with China which the U.S. has no way to win.

The summit created a win for each side.

Trump acknowledged that a ceasefire was not possible and that the war needs to end with an all-encompassing peace agreement:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – Aug 16, 2025, 8:46 UTC

A great and very successful day in Alaska! The meeting with President Vladimir Putin of Russia went very well, as did a late night phone call with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine, and various European Leaders, including the highly respected Secretary General of NATO. It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up. President Zelenskyy will be coming to D.C., the Oval Office, on Monday afternoon. If all works out, we will then schedule a meeting with President Putin. Potentially, millions of people’s lives will be saved. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

After he had given Putin that part of the cake Trump took his own piece. 

In an interview (vid) with Foxnews after the summit Trump was asked about imposing sanctions. He responded: "Well, because the meeting went so well, we don’t have to think about that now.”

There will be no ceasefire to freeze the conflict and there will be no sanctions. Both sides can count that as wins.

The task of ending the conflict was tossed off to Zelensky and Europe:

Without hesitating, Trump said that his advice to Zelenskyy after Friday’s meeting with Putin would be "make a deal."

On Monday Zelenski will be told to give up and to make peace with Russia. European protests against that will be ignored.

Comments

Thank you again for literature & discussion, Avtonom!
Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 16:36 utc | 399

An honour.
I’m a great fan of you in here, your contributions are always good and thoughtful.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 16:41 utc | 401

@400 lovedonbass
Re: Putin can’t do that, it’s unconstitutional
I agree with your assessment of facts. Nonetheless I’m not 100% sure he can’t wiggle out of it if necessary. After all many people, especially the capital of zaporizhia, a city of over a million people never had the chance to vote. Large amouns of people in donetsk as well didnt vote. How official is a referendum when many can’t vote? Was zelensky the president for the people of donetsk city in 2019 when he was elected? No one could vote for him even if they wanted to.
No I don’t see this as black and white at all.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 16:48 utc | 402

will moon* | Aug 16 2025 14:45 utc | 34

It all looked rather jolly and collegiate to me but of course I’m just a punter not a laser focused geopolitical guru as many here are

LOL !
*That’ll get you arrested, mate !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Aug 17 2025 17:23 utc | 403

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 16:48 utc | 402
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Has Putin ever been the sort to wriggle out of the law?
That provision was put in under Putin, and he signed off on it.
Instead, I suggest you ask why it was put in. Was it a plan, or a contingency?
How official is a referendum? We’re back to the realities of power. The one with the guns wins the argument.
Putin has the guns and is winning all arguments.
Until some Doomer gathers enough social and military clout to do a regime change, the Siloviki will keep calling the tune.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 17:23 utc | 404

Re: Juliania #392
Fort Richardson National Cemetery:
Putin lays flowers at graves for Soviet WWII pilots during Alaska visit
Why Soviet pilots were buried in Alaska during World War II
https://www.fox7austin.com/news/soviet-pilots-graves-alaska-history

From 1942 to 1945, Soviet pilots trained alongside American crews in Fairbanks, Alaska, before flying the aircraft over Canada, into Alaska’s interior, and then across the Bering Strait to Siberia. The route, known as the Alaska-Siberia air road, was crucial for delivering planes to the Soviet front lines.
Some Soviet pilots died during training or in transit due to accidents or harsh weather conditions. Initially buried in Fairbanks and Nome, their remains were reinterred in 1946 at Fort Richardson by order of the U.S. administration of the Alaska National Cemetery.
For decades, the Soviet pilots’ resting place was undocumented in official Russian records. In 1990, a delegation from the Soviet Committee of War Veterans confirmed the site’s history.
In 2011, then-Russian President Dmitry Medvedev awarded Virginia Walker, the cemetery’s director, for her role in preserving the graves and ensuring their upkeep. The site remains in pristine condition, with each headstone inscribed in English and Russian.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 17:32 utc | 405

@404 lovedonbass
Re: power
The power politics has a lot of nuances. Right now ukraine is on the back foot. Off hand though I could list many other states the west can use against Russia, and Russia can’t fight them all.
Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Poland, Moldova, Romania, the Baltics, Finland. All these states can be potentially be activated into a war with Russia with the full backing of Nato, and there albeit slowly, growing military industries.
The power is against Russia while Nato is united(mostly) against it. That’s why Russia is so anxious to have a permanent peace deal. They can’t do this indefinitely, at some point they’ll need the heat taken off.
At any rate that’s in the future so I guess we’ll see what happens.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 17:36 utc | 406

Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Poland, Moldova, Romania, the Baltics, Finland.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 17:36 utc | 406
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North Korea alone cancels all of those out.
Then there is the engineering of Iran and the production of China.
There are no nuances that matter to the current trend in power dynamics.
The West is weak and getting weaker. The Axis is ascendant.
NATO fans conveniently forget (or choose to ignore) that China has limited how the West can build material military capacity.
Until the West can bring mines and processing plants online, they are screwed.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 17:47 utc | 407

The power is against Russia while Nato is united(mostly) against it. That’s why Russia is so anxious to have a permanent peace deal. They can’t do this indefinitely, at some point they’ll need the heat taken off.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 17:36 utc | 406
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Russia can and will do this indefinitely. It is existential. Failure is not an option. And Russia has done it several times before.
The West has never had an existential fight, but it is here now, of its own making.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 18:09 utc | 408

@39
“don’t see the brits letting go of their agenda even if zelensky is removed.. they have to replace him with another similar cutout to continue with their agenda…”
That is why English parasites’ have to be immediately eliminated from the scene lest they keep making mischief.ten tools will sort that pirate English race out .

Posted by: Sam | Aug 17 2025 18:24 utc | 409

Russia can and will do this indefinitely. It is existential. Failure is not an option. And Russia has done it several times before.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 18:09 utc | 408

I’m with LD on this… the West has deindustrialized and financialized to a point where there’s simply no militarily catching up with Russia, let alone China. Anything the entire West can do they can do 5-10x and cheaper.
There’s a matter of resources, too. Russia’s got’em, most of the West does not, and the US will be hard-pressed to meet it’s own requirements going forward.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 18:47 utc | 410

I dunno guys LD and TJ.
I think your too complacent and over confident. Natos military and resource base can match Russia, China and Iran. That it doesn’t right now doesn’t mean it never will. Extrapolating the future linearly from an initial starting point is almost always wrong.
I also think your over estimating how closely the brics will align with each other under pressure.
My hope is that a balance will force the various states to try develop more to gain an advantage in hopes of domination but accidently just propel humanity ahead when they keep balancing. A victory of any side is bad for everyone in the long run.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 19:11 utc | 411

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 18:47 utc | 410
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The Chinese did a clever thing.
They gained capital to build industry at the expense of the West and then took it a step further by owning the resource supply chains.
America could 20x their industrial capacity tomorrow but without the resources, they ain’t making stuff that goes pew-pew.
China made the moves they did because, IMO, they aren’t worried about share prices or midterm elections. They can think generationally and reap the benefits of time’s economies of scale.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 19:13 utc | 412

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 19:11 utc | 411
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One is not making toast without bread, and one is not making toast without flour.
The West is screwed with every munition expended.
How do they get more resources?
Invade, conquer, and enslave China?
It is a serious question that needs an answer.
Don’t tell me what. Tell me how.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 19:18 utc | 413

I think your too complacent and over confident. Natos military and resource base can match Russia, China and Iran.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 19:11 utc | 411

You lost me right then and there with that ridiculous statement.
NATO’s a paper tiger and the SMO has already severely depleted their stores of old (and now proven mostly ineffective) weapons. And despite the SMO going on for years NATO’s been incapable of significantly ramping up even simply shell production let alone fielding any new weapons systems while Russia, China & Iran do so regularly.
Try and name a single widely deployed Western system that isn’t from the past century. They haven’t fully developed a single hypersonic weapon let alone fielded one. Most of what the West has are upgraded versions of 50+ year old designs, and the nukes themselves are even older.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 19:27 utc | 414

Don’t tell me what. Tell me how.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 19:18 utc | 413

The US has (most of) the resources but it’ll be decades before they could begin to fully leverage them. Not enough mines, virtually no processing facilities, etc.
I’m a resource investor and the forward supply/demand imbalance is ridiculous… the coming years are going to be unbelievably lucrative.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 19:38 utc | 415

Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Poland, Moldova, Romania, the Baltics, Finland.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 17:36 utc | 406
Well indeed that looks like a formidable line-up of military power, sure to have Russia quaking in her boots.
Azerbaijan: only exists by the forbearance of Russia and Iran; Russia is already taking measures, Iran might join in if it deems necessary.
Georgia: fair play to them, they have “seen the light” regarding the less than beneficial influence of Western NGOs, and understand their reality.
Kazakhstan: still in play, a tug-of-war between Western alignment and a truly nationalist understanding of interests lying with China and Russia.
Poland: a big player, that has unresolved grievances with Ukraine stemming from WW2, plus an influential agricultural lobby.
As for the rest, Moldova, Romania, the Baltics, Finland, useless drains on NATO finances and commitments.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 17 2025 19:49 utc | 416

It’s simple arithmetic. Trump and Europe have NOTHING that Russia absolutely needs.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:02 utc | 101
What about peace? Pretty sure Russia needs that. The balance of power has tilted to the east. The deals made for peace won’t be similar to previous deals as they will be on Russian terms. Not western. They brought financial people to alaska. Could be sanctions related maybe some type of investment prospectus was included. I think that boat was floated in Alaska. And I think it could be a win win for both countries and the world frankly. The rest of the world would much rather the west just played fairly with others. Investment in Russia could prove quite lucrative, some of the projects in Russia alone in the next 10-20 years….money talks. Then there’s China. Or any BRICS or other nation I do fear the west is to ZOG to accept these truths. As we see before our eyes, lots and lots of little steps.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2025 20:03 utc | 417

Poland: a big player, that has unresolved grievances with Ukraine stemming from WW2, plus an influential agricultural lobby.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 17 2025 19:49 utc | 416

Spent the last month in Poland; real up-and-comer these days. Sincerely hope they don’t end up the next Ukraine as I really like the place and the people.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 20:06 utc | 418

Have we learned nothing from Ukraine about nato fighting Russia with another countries hands?
The lesson: the hands are all expendable, if their nations are ruined, like ukraine, it still takes some out of Russia. It doesn’t matter if the country used survives.
The list of countries I gave cover many directions all over Russia. A devious military planner could find many ways to run Russia ragged plugging holes.
Heres another lesson from Russia under a sanctions blockade, and incessant sabotage and drone strikes has increased production greatly. Imagine a US forcing through mine and factory development, and subsidizing wages to the point where the workers will queue up to ensure their families financial security. Remember ww2 and it’s industrial growth. Under wartime things that takes decades can and are done in years.
But hey as much as I would like people to say I’m right ill have to agree to disagree with you all.
Take care.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 20:26 utc | 419

Sincerely hope they don’t end up the next Ukraine as I really like the place and the people.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 20:06 utc | 418
Agreed, and I don’t think they will fall for being the next Ukraine, despite the machinations of Tusk and his ilk.
Polish people I’ve met and worked with, whilst not entirely enamoured with Russia, are far-sighted enough to understand the wider “game” and don’t see a beneficial outcome for their nation if things heat up.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 17 2025 20:27 utc | 420

What about peace? Pretty sure Russia needs that. The balance of power has tilted to the east. The deals made for peace won’t be similar to previous deals as they will be on Russian terms. Not western. They brought financial people to alaska. Could be sanctions related maybe some type of investment prospectus was included. I think that boat was floated in Alaska. And I think it could be a win win for both countries and the world frankly. The rest of the world would much rather the west just played fairly with others. Investment in Russia could prove quite lucrative, some of the projects in Russia alone in the next 10-20 years….money talks. Then there’s China. Or any BRICS or other nation I do fear the west is to ZOG to accept these truths. As we see before our eyes, lots and lots of little steps.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2025 20:03 utc | 417
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Don’t take what I am going to say personally; it is all in the service of trying to expand our understanding.
Re: peace. Russia can get peace for itself. It doesn’t need Trump for that, if it were even possible for Trump to provide it.
When Akhmat Commandos are guarding the inside of the Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine will give Russia whatever it wants.
Russia wants to remove the tumors of NATO and Nazism, but they don’t want to be on the hook to administer the day-to-day and bear the economic costs of the Ukrainian state.
I agree with you on the desirability and benefits of win-win.
Does anyone in the Western leadership think the same?
I am not talking about the Euros. I am talking about Hegseth, Rubio, Speaker Johnson, etc.
I feel that Russia brought their financial guys to muddy the waters. Just my perception. Russia is playing for time for itself and all of BRICS. Every day that the current status quo endures is a day the West is falling behind in global competition.
Russia has ZERO desire to share the Arctic with America, just as the Chinese have zero desire to provide the means to make missiles that will be used against China. The Arctic is the golden goose for BRICS. Allows China and Russia to bypass the Suez Canal, making West Asia irrelevant to trade, regardless of who controls it.
Americans are not reliable partners, and any “deal” written now will not be ratified by the Senate, although the law is regularly ignored by the American state, even if something made it into law.
This dopey stuff about America and Russia becoming best friends to fight the Euros and “globalists” (mostly Jews) is like a moon-eyed boy pining over a girl in 3rd grade. It’s a thing in their minds. A complete projection. The Russian people aren’t hungry for Levi 501s and Coca-Cola. The world has moved past the American moment, and the Americans are the last to understand it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 20:31 utc | 421

If everyone posts the headlines of your own countries’ press, we get a good overview.
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 159
Fwiw. Not and actualnheadline i dont think. The bankster in canuckistan says alaska summit starts road towards peace

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2025 20:37 utc | 422

Is there still time for assassination?
Many here predicted some trouble for Putin and even Trump
It all looked rather jolly and collegiate to me but of course I’m just a punter not a laser focused geopolitical guru as many here are
Posted by: will moon | Aug 16 2025 14:45 utc | 34

What a smartass. I like it.

Posted by: freedom fritos | Aug 17 2025 20:46 utc | 423

Re: assassinations; the plane with the European Seven Dwarves (and copious amounts of “snow white”) has yet to successfully deploy its undercarriage to land in Washington…
Just sayin’, y’know…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 17 2025 20:56 utc | 424

Also I’m waiting for your suggestion of a proper english term for the concept.
Posted by: persiflo | Aug 17 2025 11:37 utc | 356
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Thanks persiflo.
The topic of infinity is often a very good place to start winnowing those who do know from those who haven’t yet quite understood the intricacies of the (any) topic.
Many naively think of infinity as a number – a major roadblock to understanding the range of types of infinity.
Those who may be interested could find it useful to look up the “Infinity Hotel” for an interesting discussion of the concept.

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 17 2025 21:05 utc | 425

Tannenhouser | Aug 17 2025 20:03 utc | 417
*** Investment in Russia could prove quite lucrative, some of the projects in Russia alone in the next 10-20 years….money talks. ***
Another way of describing submission to the NATO ‘protection racket’.

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 17 2025 21:18 utc | 426

Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 12:34 utc | 373
I always wondered: when I’m curious about gravity, I don’t have to read Newton’s Principa Mathematica.
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Thanks for the insight. I’m fascinated by the experience of those who lived in the GDR compared with what I was ‘taught’ growing up in the west.
PS If you’re really interested in gravity you may like reading Einstein’s General Relativity… 🙂

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 17 2025 21:20 utc | 427

You “Kant” read Newton’s Principa Mathematica, because it was written by Bertrand Russell.
IYI
Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 17 2025 12:58 utc | 375
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Ha ha… I think you may have fooled yourself once to often?
Philosophiae Naturalis Principia Mathematica, Latin for “Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy”, often referred to as simply the Principia, is a work in three books by Sir Isaac Newton, in Latin, first published 5 July 1687. The Principia states Newton’s laws of motion, forming the foundation of classical mechanics, also Newton’s law of universal gravitation, and a derivation of Kepler’s laws of planetary motion (which Kepler first obtained empirically). The Principia is justly regarded as one of the most important works in the history of science.
The book(s) is/are available free to download on Anna’s Archive.
Highly recommended – you will find it fascinating and informative!

Posted by: General Factotum | Aug 17 2025 21:26 utc | 428

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 16 2025 17:48 utc | 120
Yep. Bernie and AOC are nothing but sheepdogs keeping people who otherwise might go seriously left in the Dem corral. Bernie, given his longevity and having been robbed of the nomination TWICE by Dem Central is particularly pathetic the way he clings to the Good Cop like a suckfish. He ‘speaks truth to power’, BFD. They are as much an enemy of the people as the Republicans and more treacherous.

Posted by: Dave Mack | Aug 17 2025 22:19 utc | 429

Yes, I was a long time listener too. Doubt started with the coverage of the dismemberment of Yugoslavia. NPR is ruling class propaganda for people who think they are smart. Guilty as charged.

Posted by: Dave Mack | Aug 17 2025 22:30 utc | 430

Personally I don’t care, however “the forms must be observed” if only to reassure the thoroughly propagandised MSM audiences that everything is above board, under control and going according to plan.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 17:39 utc | 115
Yes, “the forms must be observed” and “the spice must flow”…well in 2025 Old Earth Time the oil and natural gas must flow.

Posted by: Joe Turner | Aug 18 2025 2:58 utc | 431

Bertrand Russell and Alfred Whitehead wrote a book called Principia Mathematica, on the foundations of mathematics. It was so far as I can tell deliberately meant to invoke comparison with Newton’s book. They were not short on ego, I believe.
On the issue of needing to read Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Mao, whomever, instead of good secondary literature, the way no one needs to read Newton directly? It’s the wikipedia problem, namely, if there is any supposed controversy, the secondary source (wikipedia) can’t be trusted, because people with an axe to grind are writing incomplete, tendentious, misleading or outright false things in favor of their position. Nobody’s ox is gored by the theory of gravity—well, almost nobody—so secondary sources are pretty reliable and easy to find. Politics gores a lot of oxen, so yeah, read Marx. I will add that it is quite common for people to cite the original Darwin (see, most of Stephen Jay Gould’s books for just one example) when trying to clarify science for creationists.
Re NPR, as I recall Michael Powell, Colin Powell’s son, was put in charge of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, to clean up the nest of lefties who infiltrated radio, where no one could see the long hair. The idea that public TV is a bunch of Marxists is of course BS. It was public TV that pioneered business journalism (aka propaganda) with Wall Street Week. And it made William F. Buckley, Jr. and the National Review. And for some reason I keep thinking it was a major home for the Lawrence Welk show. Nobody should ever believe political conservatives about anything, not the simplest fact.
As to the charge PRC is not the ideal socialist state? Correct, but this is a stupid objection, suitable only for justifying betraying socialism on the occasions it’s convenient to do so. Hating PRC for not being socialist is entirely compatible with admiring PRC for being a successful capitalist country, one that even inspires hope that capitalism has a rosy future, especially once the noxious Party is excised. (Jakarta Rules may apply!) It’s also convenient for those who want to pretend there’s an ideal so-called democracy. That way these wreckers can pretend to be working for the true democracy. The fact that there is a bourgeois democracy and the US for one historically (like England) has been about as good as bourgeois democracy gets. That way, no one gets the idea that bourgeois democracy is obsolete and needs to be replaced. Or for that matter, no one needs to defend the gains of bourgeois democracy, one gets to compromise with every demagogue or cryptofascist that seems convenient to the anti-Communist socialist project. (If anti-Communist socialism seems oxymoronic, it is. That’s why these wrecker cults tend to be so small, oxymorons are actually scarcer than you might think.)

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 18 2025 3:45 utc | 432

A devious military planner could find many ways to run Russia ragged plugging holes
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 20:26
I take your points of the transformational effects of a war economy on means of production. However the loyalty and war patriotism of American youth is markedly different — possibly with LATAM migrants and visa status upgrades — who knows? The elephant in the room is comparative US STEM education then and now most telling versus Russia and ally China side by sides especially technology. Compare for example Steel foundries West Vs East, well known but actual stats are worth the look to see the size of the gulf.
As the China FM recently was baited to say: “if Russia asked China to participate in Ukraine the war would be over in two weeks”
That said I’m horrified by the recent openskies and US direct flight status (in terms of covert/black ops potential) of Mongolia and can only assume the usual or more unusual shenanigans will follow.
In that regard, The Fat Lady isn’t even in makeup yet. If the scenarios you allude to play out, Russia will have to either call in China for the scale if logistical reasons you mention (or shift up to more destructive mass casualty weapons – Which doesn’t seem Putin’s preference direction). China FM has stated (with no correction since from Xi) that “China will not allow an existential threat to Russia to occur.” — with a likely effective loss/effective occupation of territory — the “game over” signal to west.
@William Gruff:
I was one of those who found the B2 flypast distasteful. This is an aircraft (statistically likely actual) that recently attacked a Russian ally, an attack that was preceded by a flyover of Israel – a country who aided drone attacks on Russian airbases. If the Alaska flyover was purely ceremonial it was a poor choice of birds — Blue Angels it wasn’t. It reminded me if the Mar-a-largo dinner with President Xi, when Trump carried out a missile attack on Syria during deserts. You’re correct in that we see what we want to see, I saw Trump “carrot Vs stick” mentality.
Telling to me was Xi’s Confusion response “every country eventually gets what it deserves” – which Trump and west MSM took to mean Xi’s tacid approval. Others saw a Zen kone that “the US’s violence to others would be it’s undoing.
We see through different eyes ~ and that’s a good thing.

Posted by: Mercury | Aug 18 2025 4:42 utc | 433

Flying B-2s over is indeed distasteful, thanks for the info. I went to see video of the event and Trump’s reaction seems a little weird as they walk down the carpet … is that a chocolate cake moment?! I don’t think so, but then I’m not good at nonverbal cues.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 18 2025 8:17 utc | 434