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August 16, 2025
Summarizing The Summit

The summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia's President Vladimir Putin was shorter than had been planned. But it was mostly successful.

Trump had urgently needed the meeting. He had pushed for a ceasefire in Ukraine. He had threatened to impose secondary sanctions against buyers of Russia's oil to press Russia towards that.

But Russia did not budge. Its interest is to eliminate the root cause of the war in Ukraine – the expansion of NATO towards Russia's borders. A ceasefire would only have paused the war but would not have solved the underlying issue.

For Trump the threat of secondary sanctions had become a trap. Some rather mild addition of tariffs against India had led to a strong backlash. India did not stop buying Russian oil but turned away from the U.S. to endorse Brics, Russia and China. Imposing secondary sanctions against China would have escalated into a trade war with China which the U.S. has no way to win.

The summit created a win for each side.

Trump acknowledged that a ceasefire was not possible and that the war needs to end with an all-encompassing peace agreement:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – Aug 16, 2025, 8:46 UTC

A great and very successful day in Alaska! The meeting with President Vladimir Putin of Russia went very well, as did a late night phone call with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine, and various European Leaders, including the highly respected Secretary General of NATO. It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up. President Zelenskyy will be coming to D.C., the Oval Office, on Monday afternoon. If all works out, we will then schedule a meeting with President Putin. Potentially, millions of people’s lives will be saved. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

After he had given Putin that part of the cake Trump took his own piece. 

In an interview (vid) with Foxnews after the summit Trump was asked about imposing sanctions. He responded: "Well, because the meeting went so well, we don’t have to think about that now.”

There will be no ceasefire to freeze the conflict and there will be no sanctions. Both sides can count that as wins.

The task of ending the conflict was tossed off to Zelensky and Europe:

Without hesitating, Trump said that his advice to Zelenskyy after Friday’s meeting with Putin would be "make a deal."

On Monday Zelenski will be told to give up and to make peace with Russia. European protests against that will be ignored.

Comments

‘both ends of infinity’
Posted by: persiflo | Aug 17 2025 6:24 utc | 291
Need a different word(concept) there.
By definition infinity has no end(s).
We could go on and on about that infinitely,
or at least until one of us has an end.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Aug 17 2025 7:06 utc | 301

Posted by: S | Aug 16 2025 21:30 utc | 206

He cannot surrender parts of Donezk or Lugansk because he was called to help by these oblasts (then independent states) in February 2022.
Posted by: grunzt | Aug 16 2025 20:15 utc | 179

Another reason he can’t do that is DPR’s water supply. The residents of the city of Donetsk are currently getting water once in three days, for a few hours. To restore DPR’s water supply, Russia has to liberate the Severskiy Donets — Donbass Canal (click on the second map to see the route).

That’s an interesting point you bring up which reminds us of the Crimean canal situation.
From the West’s perspective, denying Russian use of valuable assets is the next best thing to having them for itself. The naval base in Sevastopol is the most obvious example. The West is playing on a very wide field and will throw everything it can to make things difficult for Russia. I suspect that once the open military conflict ends, Russia will be facing an insurrection on steroids. One with long range missiles, drones and sabotage with a global reach. A golden opportunity for the West.

Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2025 7:09 utc | 302

So if for some reason Zelensky does agree to hand over the Donbas, presumably that means it will be formally recognised as Russia by everyone?
Basically another reason I can’t see it happening.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 7:13 utc | 303

Re: psychohistorian @260
Quote The Cradle Zelenskyy is lifted from the BBC some 24 hours ago … damn old news. The world has moved on in multiple facets since
The old war narrative has been replaced by a new war narrative universally propagated by neocon leadership. However the MAGA crowd in Washington DC seems to be backing its leader. Zelenskyy in DC will be in an unsettled hostile environment … holding up peace 😊

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 7:15 utc | 304

@Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 1:04 utc | 245

I was surprised Putin offered to give up unconquered territories in kherson and zaporizhia for a peace deal. The capital of kherson ostensibly voted for reunification with Russia.

This is disinformation, he has done no such thing. Putin used his time in Alaska to re-state the position that was made clear in June 2014, sometimes referred to as Istanbul+ .

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2025 7:28 utc | 305

Posted by: watcher | Aug 17 2025 0:46 utc | 241
Again I agree. I was sort of thinking that Z will actually capitulate on Monday and agree to the Russian proposals. This will make it hard for Russia to get Zaporizhia city or Odessa. I think this is a pity but it may be unavoidable.
If Z does not agree, come next week then yes the fall of Ukraine will be swift and complete. Medvedev’s 8 now oblasts on the table – Kharkov, Dnipro, Sumy, Nikolayev, Odessa and ???

If what I think is correct, the Jewish comedian cannot agree to Russian proposals.
In my view, Putin explained to Trump + Rubio + Witkoff that the Ukraines is a fascist, neo-nazi State, providing abundant documentary evidence, and that the comedian has to order his regular troops to seize and arrest a very long list of ukrops fascists, including whole batallions, and hand them to Russian forces for trial. And the comedian cannot agree with that.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 17 2025 7:32 utc | 306

Je suis dégoûté par la façon dont Corbyn a été piégé.
Publié par : Tom_Q_Collins | 17 août 2025 4:42 UTC | 282

Corbyn wasn’t “trapped” per se. He was pushed to resign from his leading position using any available slander at the moment, the most convenient one being the accusation of antisemitism
Allow me to remind what David Cameron said when Corbyn was put at the head of the Labour : “The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family’s security” and later on : “For heaven’s sake, man, go!“.
The exact same thing happened in France with Mélenchon when he started to represent a serious threat to the ruling class. The difference is that Mélenchon, as opposed to Corbyn, has a very strong political structure committed to its program and is supported by millions of people.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 17 2025 7:43 utc | 307

Sorry, I was lost in translations…

It disgusts me what Corbyn was set up for.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2025 4:42 utc | 282

Corbyn wasn’t “set up” per se. He was pushed to resign from his leading position using any available slander at the moment, the most convenient one being the accusation of antisemitism
Allow me to remind what David Cameron said when Corbyn was put at the head of the Labour : “The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family’s security” and later on : “For heaven’s sake, man, go!“.
The exact same thing happened in France with Mélenchon when he started to represent a serious threat to the ruling class. The difference is that Mélenchon, as opposed to Corbyn, has a very strong political structure committed to its program and is supported by millions of people.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 17 2025 7:48 utc | 308

Yes possible
My feeling is that it is Europe that is calling the shots now and Zelensky does as he is told or Zaluzhny takes over and Zsky finds his head on a pole.
i think Trump really wants to get out of ukraine for the following reasons:
he is short of weapons
he needs what he has to help Israel
His miliotary has told his US weapons are not as good as hyped
His military experts have told hikm what is obvious – Russia will win come what may
There are plans afoot for two other wars one against Iran and the other against China. Need to keep Russia out of both if possible so need to cut a deal in Ukraine
USA is broke and cannot pay up so needs to cut budget
He trump and his real estate buddies stand to make big profits from peace and development in Russia
Trump has grandkids and does not want nuclear war.
Taken together these make a good case for a US peace deal with Russia.

Posted by: watcher | Aug 17 2025 7:50 utc | 309

From Alex Christoforou in Cyprus, I learned about what Putin did in Alaska in connection with the meeting with Trump. He visited the graves of WWII Soviet soldiers buried at the Russian orthodox church there and laid flowers to each individual grave. That was very moving and worthy of a true leader.
Putin Honors Russia’s WWII Soldiers in Alaska Ahead of Trump Summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH1v7SehPEc
This is how Russia earns respect from the world.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2025 7:58 utc | 310

Now Trump is offering US security guarantees to Ukraine if Zelensky accepts to leave Donbas to Russians.
Does this mean that the west managed to fool old Putin again?
I think that Russia needs a new younger person for president.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 8:08 utc | 311

Meanwhile , look a squirrel…
‘🇺🇸 CNN reports that the U.S. is deploying over 4,000 troops, a nuclear attack submarine, a reconnaissance aircraft, destroyers, and a missile cruiser to the waters of Latin America and the Caribbean, allegedly to combat drug cartels, citing unnamed Pentagon officials.
🔴 @DDGeopolitics’
When one project fails always find the next one and divert the cameras- is poor little Greneda going to get another invasion? Some other undefended place?
It’s ok for fake ukropians and AngloEuropean Collective Wasters to insist on their proxy natzio usurpers to be part of the Eurocraps and natzio ; It’s not ok for Cuba or Venezuela or anyone else to choose what alliances they want or not foisted upon them.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2025 8:15 utc | 312

“Are You Being Served?”
Dutch top level news analysts of the Alaska Peace Summit … a laughing stock. Get your head out of SC Nato’s a$$
Defense specialist Peter Wijninga: ‘The Alaska summit was a total flop’ | #wnl |
On the side of Trump, just unqualified nitwits 😊 😊
Defense specialist Peter Wijninga watched closely what happened during the Alaska summit between Trump and Putin. Former Moscow correspondent Olaf Koens. #wnl
[Dutch very right-wing talk show elitism vs egalitarian, worse than Fox News … no self-reflection or mirrors]

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 8:16 utc | 313

Is Marx the one I’m looking for, for the most effective focus on expunging the cancer of human inequality?
Aleph_Null | Aug 17 2025 0:18 utc | 235

Probably not.
Try Kropotkin.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 8:21 utc | 314

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 17 2025 7:43 utc | 307
The difference is that Mélenchon, as opposed to Corbyn, has a very strong political structure committed to its program and is supported by millions of people.

Yeeeah, Mélenchon is supported by millions of people that voted for Macron 😀

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 17 2025 8:30 utc | 315

@ Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 17 2025 7:48 utc | 308
I have long posted about JC and his crucifixion by the Ziofascist elites and deepstate from the time it was happening.
The facts are that JC was the legitimate PM of the U.K. who was couped TWICE by rigged general elections – 2017 and 2019 – during which time the Labour Party membership ballooned to be the largest political party in Europe. And it’s voters turned out in unprecedented numbers this century.
It took the combined might of the US deepstate, Pompus Arse , Donald 45 and unelected Crown deepstate elites, the miltary. media, academia, every single ziofascist owned politician of all uniparties, including most of that Blairite Labour Parliamentary Party and NEC.
The grassroots local party was sidelined. It was only by massive postal vote fraud that he was kept out.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2025 8:35 utc | 316

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 8:08 utc | 311
Now Trump is offering US security guarantees to Ukraine if Zelensky accepts to leave Donbas to Russians.
Does this mean that the west managed to fool old Putin again?
I think that Russia needs a new younger person for president.
<= apparently Trump wants Zelenski and Putin to meet with him on Friday? Putin converted Trump's view of the situation from Russia is an easy wealthy take-over target to Russia's security demands must be satisfied if the USA is to advance its agenda. Putin ask for no more than the minimum IOT avoid negotiations that might lead to limiting his options, or position him as a controlled sock puppet of the west, or that require treaties which could lock-out or limit Russia's participation elsewhere in the world. KISS. EU and Zelenski want to use territory trading, cessation of the infliction of terror directed against Russian citizens, and admission of [war-crime and NAZI led or inspired] guilt in ways that can limit Putin's options.

Posted by: snake | Aug 17 2025 8:41 utc | 317

On the surface, it appears detente between Trump and Putin has been achieved.
Unfortunately, the personal relationship between the 2 doesn’t translate to the US giving up on subjugating Russia.
Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Serbia,
Moldova, Iran, China and the Greater Israel project are all still in play.
I am inclined to believe that the “brains” have concluded there is no more to gain from the Ukraine angle and abandoning that project for others that may prove more fruitful.
So was Alaska just kabuki? Of course, but doesn’t mean it wouldn’t have far reaching consequences.
The end of Ukraine is also the end of NATO, which is already “braindead”, bloated and no longer fit for purpose. It will also be the end of the EU.
Cheers

Posted by: Suresh | Aug 17 2025 8:48 utc | 318

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2025 21:11 utc | 201
Europe is a colony of the US.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 8:49 utc | 319

Amazing German Pivot
Doing the perfidious 360 degree turn Baerbock© 😊
Chancellor Friedrich Merz announced he has always worked for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine-Russia crisis … major BS warning. [Source Die Zeit]
Germany’s Emergency Message As Trump Set To Host Zelensky In US; ‘Quick Deal Worth More Than…’
Interesting quote:

Zu einer Einigung über einen Waffenstillstand kam es beim Gipfel nicht, obwohl Trump einen solchen erreichen wollte. Stattdessen sei “ein umfassendes Friedensabkommen verabredet worden”, sagte Merz. Dazu gebe es aber noch sehr viele offene Fragen.

Fearing his head will be chopped off next time he visits the White House?

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 8:49 utc | 320

While I’m here let’s not forget
FREE FREE PALESTINE
DEATH DEATH TO IOF
everyday in every way the illegal apartheid entity and its deranged invader settlers must recognise their illegitimacy and decolonise the Levant. They and their shapeshifter khazarian dynasties can’t have their Old or New Empires.
The Multipolar will insist.
From The River To The Sea.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2025 8:50 utc | 321

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2025 8:50 utc | 320
everyday in every way the illegal apartheid entity and its deranged invader settlers must recognise their illegitimacy and decolonise the Levant. They and their shapeshifter khazarian dynasties can’t have their Old or New Empires.
The Multipolar will insist.
From The River To The Sea.
<= everyone at this bar should read the following letter because it exposes how misinformation and the veto power vested in the very undemocratic security council are used by the few to control the world. IMO the world would be a lot better off if the UN security council were abolished. https://www.unz.com/article/open-letter-to-israel-foreign-minister-saar/

Posted by: snake | Aug 17 2025 9:28 utc | 322

Trump-Zelensky Derby In Homestretch
Trump-Putin agreed on land swap for peace, is there a final deal on the table for Zelenskyy and his NATO backers in Europe?
ZDF Special via Reuters
German Chancellor Merz Gives Rude Shock To Europe After Trump-Putin Meet: ’Don’t Overestimate…’

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 9:37 utc | 323

Exceptional break down. Would love your take on corporate media analysis.

Posted by: Dogon priest | Aug 17 2025 9:46 utc | 324

Yeeeah, Mélenchon is supported by millions of people that voted for Macron 😀
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 17 2025 8:30 utc | 314

Well, it’s more complicated and nuanced than that, but hey, who am I to make thing harder to process for you ?

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Aug 17 2025 9:56 utc | 325

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 8:08 utc | 311
There you go again, vargas, posting disinformation and lies.
I am thinking you’re an AI bot set up to post disinformation.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 17 2025 9:57 utc | 326

Re: Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 16 2025 17:52 utc | 124

NoName 111 – Stop listening to Radio Kieve, nothing of the sort is happening along the eastern front. RF is making substantial progress everywhere, and are now in open field country west of the second defense line. In a week they will be at the Dnieper east bank in force.
We are witnessing May 1940, bring up the railway coach please………

Completely delulu from you as usual Tobias.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 17 2025 10:06 utc | 327

JFC
In the last few moments, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen has announced she and “other European leaders” will also travel to Washington DC tomorrow. She does not specify which leaders will be joining her at the White House.
“This afternoon, I will welcome Zelensky in Brussels,” von der Leyen says on X.
“Together, we will participate in the Coalition of Willing. At the request of President Zelensky, I will join the meeting with President Trump and other European leaders in the White House tomorrow,” she adds.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 10:18 utc | 328

It disgusts me what Corbyn was set up for. How can anyone NOT develop a disdain or actual hatred of Zionist Jews for this usurpation of our admittedly fake democracies?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 17 2025 4:42 utc | 283
There wasn’t any usurpation. Zionism has been willingly adopted and promoted by the western elites, especially the Anglo-American ones, as the acceptable form of western supremacism. Through it, the “white man’s burden” was transferred to the “western man”. And it worked spectacularly with significant segments of the western citizenry.
As for Corbyn, he was, unfortunately, a chump in regard to leadership. Not as bad as Bernie Sanders (who has morphed into an overt traitor to the left), but a chump nonetheless. It is just very easy, when one is understandably fired up, to confuse an agitator for a leader.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 17 2025 10:19 utc | 329

The Ziofascist Unipolar supremacist world empire is crumbling ever faster infront of our eyes.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 17 2025 7:05 utc | 300
Not fast enough, apparently.

Posted by: Constantine | Aug 17 2025 10:20 utc | 330

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2025 21:11 utc | 201
As was said before Europe is a vasal state of the US.
Our EU leaders will make decisions that harm the people, it doesn’t hurt them.
There is also nothing novel or strange in this situation.
Africa or S-America has/had the same system.
After they supposedly stopped being colonies all it took was a corrupt leadership and upper class that benefited from selling out their country.
They keep the population under control and get a piece of the cake while their country gets leeched.
That sometimes involved violence and repression, these days it’s much more subtle and easy wwith the help of propaganda in our ultra-mediatised societies.
A lot of us don’t even realise we’re vasals and that (when Trump is gone) the US is our good friend and guardian.
They believe in the created boogeyman and willingly accept what is being done bcs “the Russians are coming!”
But now we’re at a critical point.
The sanctions and bad decisions didn’t immediately have an effect. But slowly and surely our already bad economies felt it.
Companies leaving Europe and/or closing, prices going up and the population is at its limit.
I think now with our ‘leaders’ agreeing to pump even more money we don’t have in weapons, bend over and take the tarrif extortion they finally put the nail in the coffin.
That money comes from basic necessities, social programs, pensions, health care, etc…
The drastic decisions our governments made are being described as a social bloodbath.
When they will have their devastating effect propaganda won’t do the trick anymore.
When there is poverty people get angry.
This will escalate what is happening already, the radicalisation of the population.
Some will see the light and go to the (real) left, more will go to extreme-right since it is the path of least resistance.
They always get handed an easy scapegoat to blame.
Basically we’re just repeating the previous century.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Aug 17 2025 10:22 utc | 331

1

🇫🇷🇺🇦🇷🇺🇺🇸❗️Paris rejects the idea of demilitarizing Ukraine and considers strengthening its army as one of the guarantees of security, said Delegate Minister for European Affairs Benjamin Haddad in an interview with La Tribune Dimanche.
He emphasized that any agreements on a peaceful settlement must contain clear security guarantees for Kiev.

2

🇪🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸According to Politico, Finnish President Alexander Stubb may go to the negotiations with Donald Trump together with Volodymyr Zelensky.
Bild writes that Emmanuel Macron, Friedrich Merz, or Keir Starmer may accompany them to Washington.

3

🌐🇺🇦🇷🇺🇺🇸NATO Secretary General Rutte may go to the US to support Zelensky at the meeting with Trump, reports Politico

maybe the eu starts to realize that they have not only been played by the us again, but also that they will be forced to fold and drop their ambition of “decolonizing” russia.
must feel really shitty to concede to a gas station.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 17 2025 10:22 utc | 332

Re: Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 18:21 utc | 137

End of SMO, goals achieved. 1 more country and 1.5 millions dead and maimed on the globalists altar.

I see more hopium and copium in your comment than anything else.
The SMO is not over – not by a long shot.
Ukraine will fight on – for at least another 18 months – awaiting a Democrat victory in the Mid-Terms (almost certain) – and then an impeachment of President Trump early in 2027 – almost guaranteed both of these things will happen.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 17 2025 10:22 utc | 333

I suspect that once the open military conflict ends, Europe will be facing an insurrection on steroids.
Posted by: robin | Aug 17 2025 7:09 utc | 302

There, fixed it for you.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 10:27 utc | 334

Ukraine will fight on – for at least another 18 months…
Posted by: Julian | Aug 17 2025 10:22 utc | 333

LMAO, the fat lady’s already singing. Give it up.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 10:28 utc | 335

DEVELOPING STORY …

Trump’s Arms and VDL’s Purse for NATO

Satisfaction for all …

NATO Secretary General Rutte, Finnish President Stubb, and European Commission President von der Leyen will join the meeting with Ukrainian President Zelensky and President Trump tomorrow, according to Bloomberg, citing sources.

Von der Leyen has confirmed her participation in the meeting and has stated that she will receive Zelensky in Brussels later today.

https://x.com/vonderleyen/status/1957015978383999422

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 10:37 utc | 336

@Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 10:37 utc | 336
Also fitting that the United Vasals of Europe call themselves ‘the coalition of the willing’.
Exactly the same name they gave to the countries ready to fight the illegal US war in Iraq.

Posted by: Ed Bernays | Aug 17 2025 10:47 utc | 337

For months and months, the eurocucks whined “We need a ceasefire!” It was always a ploy, a ruse to buy more time to re-arm their failing boy wonder. Now, they’re double fucked:
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115037569702889410
Trump wants a comprehensive peace agreement, not a ceasefire, properly recognizing that ceasefires are just temporary and usually fall apart due to shit-fuckery by one or both sides.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 17 2025 10:48 utc | 338

European Security
Talking nuclear arms in preparing Alaska Summit … the BIG swap.
Kaliningrad offer?
Trump – Putin deal on nuclear arms, remove hypersonic missiles in Ukraine deal?
Putin says U.S., Russia could make nuclear arms deal | 2 days ago |

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 10:50 utc | 339

73 – The UK media, who at times are more royalist than the king, more pro-Kiev than Kiev, don’t like the summit.

Posted by: Waldorf | Aug 17 2025 10:52 utc | 340

The US push to force a proxy war in Ukraine has not gone to script. A few years back the MOA discussion was about would, indeed could, Russia prevail in their SMO. The outsiders predicted they would, but at the beginning of the big NATO counter offensive it seemed it could go either way. But Russia, then mostly alone, stayed the course and prevailed to now be on the threshold of a comprehensive victory. It took a lot of fighting, tactics, and management for Russia to rise. New tactics, new weapons won against NATO. But still the same Putin. Whetas Us pres and the selected disciples have all changed. As has the relationship and bonds of the US and the EU. Now the EU is rising against Trump. Indeed maybeUrsula, Rutte may accompany Welensky to the White House to explain to Trump he has it all wrong about Putin.
History will show what has and is happening as a turning point in world history. And as they too and fro about Ukraine security and territory , the elephant in the room isn’t being considered. China. The dragon had woken up and like it or not it cannot, and now it seems, will not be denied.

Posted by: Bingo | Aug 17 2025 10:52 utc | 341

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/indian-state-refiners-pause-russian-oil-purchases-sources-say-2025-07-31/
India seens to be too afraid to buy Russian oil.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 10:59 utc | 342

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen:
“Together, we will participate in the Coalition of Willing. At the request of President Zelensky, I will join the meeting with President Trump and other European leaders in the White House tomorrow,” she adds.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 10:18 utc | 328
Trump only invited Zelenski. They invited themselves?

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 11:00 utc | 343

Esophagus @180:

…do not repeat that Rosatom or whatever has be able to make a nuclear cycle without waste.
I respect you, but sometimes you’re a propagandist.

karlof1 is correct, and his comment is not propaganda, except in the term’s more archaic sense of simply being information.
“Burning” atomic waste to the nuclear equivalent of harmless ash is not magic. The process has been understood for many decades. In fact, there was a small experimental reactor in the US that did just that but was dismantled back in the 1970s (fast breeder molten salt reactor). The problem is not knowing how to do it, but rather being able to do the process profitably and at scale, and in the West profit is king. Production scale molten salt reactors are complex and expensive to build, and they cannot be operated by the janitor. That means a permanent skilled workforce for the entire life of the plant, which is something capitalist investors absolutely hate.
For extra detail, the really difficult part of the process is not even building the reactors, but rather reprocessing the fuel from those reactors. The Russians are pretty good at it, though.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 11:03 utc | 344

https://www.rt.com/russia/623106-zelensky-calls-for-more-sanctions-on-russia/
So Zelensky calls for more sanctions. Clickbait praises a counterattack victory by Ukraine and says they will get a huge arms package that changes their future. …….nothing really changes. Does anyone really believe Zelensky will take a deal?

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 17 2025 11:03 utc | 345

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 10:59 utc | 342
That was 3 weeks ago, the Indians have since confirmed they are still buying.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 11:04 utc | 346

There you go again, vargas, posting disinformation and lies.
I am thinking you’re an AI bot set up to post disinformation.
Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 17 2025 9:57 utc
I am not lying. I am not a bot. I am devil’s advocate.
Look.
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/08/13/trump-european-leaders-security-ukraine-00508598
For you Putin is a god, but fir me he is just a weak old man, always fooled by the west (Minsk I , Minsk II….).

Posted by: vargas | Aug 17 2025 11:08 utc | 347

The outsiders predicted they would, but at the beginning of the big NATO counter offensive it seemed it could go either way.
Posted by: Bingo | Aug 17 2025 10:52 utc | 341

There was NEVER any chance of Ukraine prevailing since Russia (rightly) considered this an existential fight. They’d treat it exactly as the U.S. would over Mexico or Canada… they’d go nuke before they’d lose.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 11:11 utc | 348

European commission president Ursula von der Leyen and German chancellor Merz will accompany Zelenski. They’ve invited themselves. (welt)

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 11:15 utc | 349

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 11:15 utc | 349
Meloni also attending. This is a complete fiasco.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 11:18 utc | 350

Macron adds himself. European commission president Ursula von der Leyen, German chancellor Merz and French president Macron will accompany Zelenski. (lemonde)

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 11:19 utc | 351

Your disinformation is based solely on biased reporting from the WSJ:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-putin-alaska-summit?mod=WSJ_home_mediumtopper_pos_1
The WSJ is a known drop site for CIA disinformation … look it up. They are not an honest journalistic actor. Note “according to according to three people familiar with the conversation.” That’s code for the CIA using a reporter as a stooge. There is nobody willing to go on record.
As far as politico goes, they are just regurgitating the WSJ. Politico has been a known stooge of the DC establishment as well – see how they got USAID funding.
IMO, this is all the blob in a last-ditch effort to try and steer any agreements.
Putin is no god but neither is Lindsay Graham. He probably ghost-wrote the story. Besides, even if there is any truth to it, which i doubt, how would one President bind a future one to guarantee a foreign state’s security without a treaty? You need to study the U.S. Constitution as well. Trump ain’t sending US troops to die in Ukraine, full stop.
You need to do a better job using your own judgment and keeping track of the players. I will retract my comment that you are AI, but you can thank me for the new orifice I just drilled into you by analyzing the situation properly.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 17 2025 11:19 utc | 352

Stubb – Rutte – VDL will be in Washington DC with Zelenskyy on Monday.
The “big” three Starmer – Macron – Merz are still on the fence
Undecided

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 11:21 utc | 353

@Jane #267
So where do you choose to start?
The US sending assistance to the Whites during the November Revolution?
Medium range nuclear missiles in Italy in the 1950s/1960s?
Afghanistan in the 1970s/1980s?
The Lost Decade of the 1990s?
Magnitsky etc before Maidan?
While I would certainly term the US as being the far greater aggressor in relations with the USSR/Russia – it isn’t like there were not actions coming in the other direction, either.
Soviet pilots and other types of troops killed Americans in the Korean conflict, also in Vietnam.
To me – I put the previous acts of near and far removed generations, particularly the Soviet Union era, into the dustbin of history.
The Magnitsky act is pure Browder/US corrupt Congress action – it didn’t otherwise do anything.
The 1990s: the US didn’t actively cause it.
Yes, promises were broken and lies were told.
But ultimately it was Gorbachev’s naivete, plus lack of foresight as to the consequences of breaking up the Soviet Union and destroying its societal basis of identity and pride – without any even attempt at replacement.
Insufficient focus has been placed on what Putin has wrought in this area.
This is why I focus on the Maidan and the West’s mass sanctions on Russia afterwards.
It was this time when Russia effectively exited the GBP – the British pound was a double digit percentage holding of the CBR’s foreign reserves until roughly 2017-ish (I can’t remember exactly, but I remember noting this).

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 17 2025 11:25 utc | 354

Starmer now confirmed as attending.
Disgusting.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 11:31 utc | 355

@waynorinorway | Sun, 17 Aug 2025 07:06:00 GMT | 301
Between two rational numbers x and y there are infinitely many rational numbers, but they are confined but they are confined between x and y. We say the interval between x and y is limited. Now go and look up the definition of the terms maximum and supremum to see what I was hinting at, and then I am perhaps to willing to listen your suggestion of a proper term for our case.
Here’s another view. Time imagined as a continuous interval of real numbers is either limited or umlimited (i.e. has a supremum or not). The German term here is abgeschlossen or begrenzt (literally “bordered”; you say limited). Germany ends at the border with France, but to whom belongs the border line?
Aleph has just recently studied calculus, so I believe he sees what I was getting at. I hope this little essay clarifies things for you. Also I’m waiting for your suggestion of a proper english term for the concept.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 17 2025 11:37 utc | 356

Re: Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 1:04 utc | 245


I was surprised Putin offered to give up unconquered territories in kherson and zaporizhia for a peace deal. The capital of kherson ostensibly voted for reunification with Russia.

He must be counting on Zelensky rejecting it.
Also I’d like to note how unlikely it is Putin has plans to move to Odessa and connect Transnistria if he’s willing to keep to the east of the dnieper by sacrificing kherson.
If I was Zelensky I’d take it. It’s a genuine compromise.

How could you possibly be surprised?
Did you somehow miss Minsk I & II?
If he is basing Russian strategic thinking on proposals being rejected by Zelensky then he is playing with a loser mentality.

Posted by: Julian | Aug 17 2025 11:39 utc | 357

Suresh @ 292
Thanks for the mention.
Indeed very intesting dynamics at play from Putins perspective.
Europe are acting this weekend like jealous lovers.
Putin has driven a wedge between the US and Europe. Who’s gunnu take custody of the brat !… zelensky

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 17 2025 11:39 utc | 358

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2025 21:11 utc | 201
The answer is, as always, follow the money! Blackrock, Rothschild & the City of London want Mother Russias resources. And, since their parasitic money system has reached the end, it’s time for a great reset = great war. And their lackeys in Berlin, Paris & London obey.

Posted by: Schwedenstahl | Aug 17 2025 11:42 utc | 359

Macron adds himself
Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 11:19 utc | 351
Not surprising after you read their public statement after the meeting:
“Paris rejects the idea of demilitarizing Ukraine and considers strengthening its army as one of the guarantees of security”

Posted by: rk | Aug 17 2025 11:43 utc | 360

>>> “I’m coming…” <<< Posted by: will moon | Aug 17 2025 2:37 utc | 272 . . Too much information, bud.

Posted by: seer | Aug 17 2025 11:45 utc | 361

Re. #353, #355:
NOBODY will be attending the talk between Trump and Zelinsky UNLESS explicitely invited by Trump to participate.

Posted by: Chrissie | Aug 17 2025 11:49 utc | 362

This has to be panto. Trump will walk away ostentatiously, and the Europeans will solemnly declare their commitment to shouldering the noble burden of financing the proxy war alone, which is what the Americans wanted to happen anyway.

Posted by: Clem_Fandango | Aug 17 2025 11:54 utc | 363

“The coalition of the willing” originated as a euphemism to get around international law, when the UN Security Council refused to authorize the military invasion of Iraq in 2003.
Any time it is used it should be properly understood as “The coalition of the willing… …to break the law”.

Posted by: kvp | Aug 17 2025 11:55 utc | 364

Putin offered to give up unconquered territories in kherson and zaporizhia for a peace deal.
Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 1:04 utc | 245
Link to press release on kremlin.ru or it didn’t happen.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 17 2025 12:00 utc | 365

“Together, we will participate in the Coalition of Willing. At the request of President Zelensky, I will join the meeting with President Trump and other European leaders in the White House tomorrow,” she adds.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 10:18 utc | 328
You can only hope that she gets the same treatment from Trump that she got from Erdogan and Xi. Totally ignore to the point of humiliating irrelevance.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 17 2025 12:01 utc | 366

My post @352 was a reply to Vargas @347

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 17 2025 12:04 utc | 367

John H. posted. “Putin got the red carpet treatment.” (I only read the 1st page of comments.)
Yes, the most over the top I have seen for a long time, at any diplomatic meet.
A few points:
DT was waiting for VVP, standing alone, ‘naked’ so to speak, no goons there. (In line w. the fact that Trump had requested the meet several times.) It is personal, and I humbly await…
The hand shake is coupled with body-touching gestures, from both sides.
Fighter aircraft are flown above in honor of the visitor, DT points to the sky and says something like, for you, in yr honor, look at this. Signals, our fighters fly for you! (Are / could be / on your side / not against you). Extraordinary!
DT invites VVP to travel in his limousine, which was not officially planned as Putin’s limo and protective staff was brought to Alaska. They sit together in the back (I didn’t see an interpreter). 1
Imho, but this is just my take, the meet was ‘shortened’ because VVP made it clear to DT that the R conditions (4 oblasts, no NATO) etc. are set in stone, which (imho) DT knew already, and a potential ‘second part’ was ditched for the moment (economic topics, see several posters above) and this was fixed in that private convo.
The main meet was 3-on-3, foreign policy (with Witkoff, Rubio, Lavrov, X.)
However, the ‘economic aspect’ is shifting.
Melaleauca, above, mentioned the return of direct flights. Socially crucial.
Perhaps more important, Exxon is to return to the Sakahalin I project. 15 Aug.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russia-decree-opens-door-exxon-return-sakhalin-1-project-2025-08-15/
1 VVP speaks Russian, German, and ‘basic’ but OK English. He awarded DT the privilege of speaking directly.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 17 2025 12:15 utc | 368

There was NEVER any chance of Ukraine prevailing since Russia (rightly) considered this an existential fight. They’d treat it exactly as the U.S. would over Mexico or Canada… they’d go nuke before they’d lose.
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 11:11 utc | 348
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Yes. I think Trump got the message when he tested Putin in Syria. I agree with Putin that Trump wouldn’t have started the Ukraine war.
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I think Russia displayed it’s military dominance over the US when it stopped the US attack on Syria on April 13, 2018. I think this was paradigm shifting.
I think there was a good reason that Mattis came out less than an hour after the attack started and said ‘ok we’re done’
Posted by: financial matters | Apr 18, 2018

Posted by: financial matters | Aug 17 2025 12:25 utc | 369

remember to always and everywhere tell each european person that NOBODY has elected gauleiterin ursula, and yet she goes on her own aroung the world and declares “””our””” willingness to do her bidding, deciding over our heads.
no democracy. no humand rights. no rule of law. no accountability.
pure aurtoritharian regime.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 17 2025 12:25 utc | 370

RT
Merz and von der Leyen accompany Zelensky to Trump

Omar Havana/Getty Images / Gettyimages.ru
Ursula von der Leyen and other high-ranking European officials are expected to meet with Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky in Washington on Monday. This was reported by the AFP news agency, citing the EU Commission. German Chancellor Friedrich Merz will also travel to Washington.
According to Bloomberg, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte will also attend the talks in the US to support Zelensky in his meeting with Trump. Finnish President Alexander Stubb is also expected in Washington.
Von der Leyen announced on Platform X that she was attending the meeting in Washington at Zelensky’s request.
The topic of the discussion with Trump is the end of the Ukraine conflict. The discussions will include, among other things, “security guarantees, territorial issues, and continued support for Ukraine in fending off Russian aggression. This also includes maintaining the pressure of sanctions,” the German government announced. “The trip serves to exchange information with US President Donald Trump following his meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska.” Germany underscores the goal of a peace agreement in Ukraine, it said.
Von der Leyen will receive Zelenskyy in Brussels on Sunday. A video conference is planned with the so-called “Coalition of the Willing,” which, in addition to Germany, includes France and Great Britain. Ukraine’s allies want to coordinate their tactics before the meeting with Trump.

Posted by: Genesis | Aug 17 2025 12:30 utc | 371

>>> “You should really visit the UK yourself. It’s quite a different atmosphere among normal people than you saw in the Blair era, to be sure.” <<< Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 17 2025 5:19 utc | 288 . . I doubt it. Cameron tagged himself the heir to Blair, and Lib/Lab/Con were as monolithic as any of these faux governments today. The millipedes, Dave and that Clegg stooge saw to that. I see it as even worse today, 25 years later. Scattered grumbling amongst the punters (Do you still have those?) ain't change.

Posted by: seer | Aug 17 2025 12:33 utc | 372

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 8:21 utc | 314
Try Kropotkin.

This comes a bit out of the blue but if you have the time: why Kropotkin? Over Bakunin or Proudhomme, for example?
The older I get, the more I think I should read anarchist theory. I just don’t know where to start.
There’s also the fixation with persons that made me never read Marx (I read a bit of Engels based on a personal recommendation): assuming the equation “Marxism-Leninism = scientific materialism” (I grew up in the GDR, so I heard that a lot), I always wondered: when I’m curious about gravity, I don’t have to read Newton’s Principa Mathematica. Likewise for evolution theory (Darwin), quadratic reciprocity (Gauss) and so on. In all these cases, you only read the originals if you care about the *history* of science. Otherwise, there’s excellent secondary literature.
When I ask Marxists –and I know that Marx wrote a lot of things that are relevant to me– about this, then I always get the reply: “It’s best to read Marx himself”. I guess the bottom line that philosophy isn’t science and that ML = scientific materialism is just a bullshit slogan.

Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 12:34 utc | 373

Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 12:34 utc | 373
If b can forgive me the OT:
Bakunin was a great thinker but was so destroyed by 14 years’ isolation in prison and, well, also by Marx, that he didn’t contribute much in writing.
Proudhon was perhaps the greatest philosopher but incredibly “untidy” and difficult to get much out of today.
Kropotkin is more recent, more “modern”, and above all extremely practical and practiced. His books are lucid. From reading Kropotkin, I came to the conclusion that anarchism really is a community ethics. And I think that’s what we need.
To try to crawl inside our topic again: Nobody would “accuse” Russia of following their great compatriot Kropotkin. But Russian politicians, and also Chinese for that matter, are really trying to make their societies better for the people living there. IMO that’s not too much to ask from politicians, it’s frankly their job, but show me a Western state that aims to take care of their citizens. They would laugh in your face if you asked them to.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 12:53 utc | 374

I don’t have to read Newton’s Principa Mathematica. Likewise for evolution theory (Darwin), quadratic reciprocity (Gauss) and so on….
Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 12:34 utc | 373

You “Kant” read Newton’s Principa Mathematica, because it was written by Bertrand Russell.
IYI

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 17 2025 12:58 utc | 375

Noirette @368:

Fighter aircraft are flown above in honor of the visitor, DT points to the sky and says something like, for you, in yr honor, look at this. Signals, our fighters fly for you! (Are / could be / on your side / not against you). Extraordinary!

Many people thought it was an effort to bully and intimidate Putin, which I thought was a strange interpretation. How intimidated did he look, after all? I thought it was more of an honor guard with the very best America has to offer.
It is odd how different people can see the same event and see completely different things in it. Some people seem compelled to apply the most negative possible interpretation to anything related to Trump for some ([cough] TDS [cough]) reason.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 12:59 utc | 376

Welp, as I suspected, the real action would occur after and because of Alaska, not at it. Just needed Trump, Putin and a red carpet… and a camera.
NATO is the US, and the US is NATO. It was so in the Balkans, when “NATO” bombed Serbia for months, 94% of sorties flown by the US. Oh even the Luftwaffe got in a flight or 2, which was amusing, iron crosses and all. But it was the US, same as Libya, even with Field Marshals Cameron and Frog Midget I waving their standards.
Trump may move off that construct, and that puts all the eurocuck poodles in jeopardy, and here they come yapping. The ground under their feet might shift, their status and cash flow, too. How does Trump work this? I’d jail most of them as they deplane, but only if a few thousand here become their cellblock mates.

Posted by: seer | Aug 17 2025 13:00 utc | 377

Signals, our fighters fly for you! (Are / could be / on your side / not against you). Extraordinary!
Posted by: Noirette | Aug 17 2025 12:15 utc | 368

Even better… Lord Bebo posted that our fighters painted a Russian star in the sky in Putin’s honor (complete with pic).

I think it would be HILARIOUS if Trump met Z personally and left the entire “coalition of the willing” cooling their heels elsewhere.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Aug 17 2025 13:01 utc | 378

In all these cases, you only read the originals if you care about the *history* of science. Otherwise, there’s excellent secondary literature.
When I ask Marxists –and I know that Marx wrote a lot of things that are relevant to me– about this, then I always get the reply: “It’s best to read Marx himself”.
Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 12:34 utc | 373
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I think that’s a good point. Roland Boer has done a lot of the heavy lifting and has produced 2 good secondary books:
Socialism with Chinese Characteristics
and
Stalin: From Theology to the Philosophy of Socialism in Power
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He chronicles the development of Marxism in Russia and China. He emphasizes that Marx and Engles wrote a roadmap. The revolutions in Russia and China produced massive power changes. The socialist project currently has the socioeconomic well being of the population as its major goal while still maintaining an overall socialist structure.

Posted by: financial matters | Aug 17 2025 13:05 utc | 379

George | Aug 17 2025 2:50 utc | 275
*** The other point I would make is that most of the common British people had no say in imperialism or colonialism since they were fed lies back home about what was happening in the colonies by the ruling classes who were actually the ones that made the fortunes out of the colonialist exploitation. The same people that exploited the average working class Brit as well. Even when slavery was abolished it continued in the households of the upper classes.
When the sugar plantation owners in the Caribbean were forced to stop using slaves, it was they that were compensated for the impact, not the slaves. The British government had to borrow money from a wealthy elite Lord to pay them back is was so much money. It took about 150 years for the average British taxpayer to pay back this sum of repatriation money. Yet because of slavery it was said that a sugar plantation owner could pay off the cost of his land and all equipment in one year due to the use of slavery, after that it was pretty much pure profit. Sweet!***
But the professionally-“black” agaitators and liberals in Britain keep claiming the public should be forced to compensate the descendants of black — only black? — slaves in the West Indies. Never mind all the oppression, displacement, enslavement and exploitation the ancestors of that white public suffered. At least the black West Indies lot got the islands they were on … but other than lies and eventual (now) replacement what did the ordinary UK public permanently get?
Have to wonder who / what is really behind the (actually racist) supposedly ‘black’ agitators, since the rich — the descendants of the imperialist ruling class — certainly wouldn’t be the ones who thereby get fleeced.
The self-designating ‘elite’ are now even raking back whatever socio-economic concessions (now exposed as temporary) which they very grudgingly had to make after two world wars.
On a different — but not necessarily 100% unrelated — matter, note most the Premier League footballers in England still sanctimoniously “taking the knee” (as did Starmer) to commemorate an extremely vicious US gangster demised of a self-inflicted drug overdose, yet bugger-all such organised activity to commemorate or protest about hundreds of thousands of Palestinians still being blatantly mass-murdered.
While an allegedly “leftist” French politician tries to make it illegal for people to be able to have holidays free from hordes of screaming delinquent juvenile brats …
Considering all that and much more, is it any wonder “the (clearly fake) left” nowadays struggles so much to attain the public support it seeks?

Posted by: Cynic | Aug 17 2025 13:16 utc | 380

IMO I can’t see how any living person would want to repeat the social experiments that were done under Stalin. Enough is really enough. There are better models in the socialist sphere.
Russia today I would describe as a kind of social democracy like the Scandinavians after WW2. Glenn Diesen recently called the Russian society today “authoritarian social democracy”, and that might be appropriate.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 13:25 utc | 381

Konami @373:

I always wondered: when I’m curious about gravity, I don’t have to read Newton’s Principa Mathematica. Likewise for evolution theory (Darwin), quadratic reciprocity (Gauss) and so on. In all these cases, you only read the originals if you care about the *history* of science. Otherwise, there’s excellent secondary literature.

The problem here is that the vast majority of the “secondary literature” is intended to either discredit Marx’s work or reformulate it to be compatible with capitalist ideology that dominates academia. Think the efforts of Horkheimer and Adorno to give Marxism a petite-bourgeois flavor as a prominent example. As a consequence there is not a wealth of “secondary literature” that actually advances Marx’s work like there is in fields like biology and physics. Try to imagine the “secondary literature” related to Darwin’s work had academia been dominated by religious fundamentalism that requires a divine creator as the explanation of biological diversity to get an idea how Marx’s work has been treated by capitalist ideologues (who, by the way, ignorantly insist they have no ideology! Such academic courage! /s).

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 13:28 utc | 382

Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 2:28 utc | 270–
Both sides admitted in their official statements that there will be NO land swap.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2025 13:45 utc | 383

@202 Tom_Q_Collins burning question…
None of the above.
Nevertheless, this madness is still straight forward. The morons posting as European elites know very well that the EU is toast. In addition, they know about their war preparation crime of the century, aka mRNA shots. And they already are manifesting the pitch forks waving at the horizont.
So they adopt the Netnayahu approach, make war, hail Mary.
Not a real one, i.e. against Russia. That’s only a sales trick.
No, fast build up of a technocratic dictatorship, trash the remaining traces of democratic structures, and make sure that their miserables surrender.
BTW, it seems that the war frenzy translates in massive armament spendings which are useless for dealing with Russia, but will serve well for slaughtering internal unrests.
Last but not least, that’s the issue being existential for them.

Posted by: Kassandra | Aug 17 2025 13:55 utc | 384

William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 11:03 utc | 344–
Thanks for your comment! The reprocessing is indeed the key, complicated step in the process. Rosatom with its nuclear batteries and floating power plants for use in very isolated regions where stringing high voltage power lines is very expensive is what’s actually going to unlock the potential of the Arctic–and the West has nothing comparable. And then there’re the nuclear propulsion units for missiles and rockets and lunar stations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2025 13:55 utc | 385

I was surprised Putin offered to give up unconquered territories in Kherson and Zaporizhzhia for a peace deal.
Have you seen the proposed peace agreement on the table in the White House? After Monday session a final trilateral meeting to be held a week later?

The New York Times reported earlier, citing sources, that following his meeting with Putin, the US leader proposed negotiating a peace deal under which Ukraine would give up the rest of the Donbass region to Russia, including areas not liberated by Russian troops, in a phone call with European leaders. A ceasefire in the rest of Ukraine at present-day battlefronts and security guarantees, both for Kiev and Europe, would be offered in return. {Source TASS

I suspect the security deal for Europe is much greater and includes withdrawal of nuclear weapons stationed in NATO countries and Kaliningrad. Surprise me …

Posted by: Oui | Aug 17 2025 14:06 utc | 386

The following is such an important comment that I am reposting it in full, to accompaany karlof1’s reply, which can be viewed a few posts above, at 385:

Esophagus @180:
…do not repeat that Rosatom or whatever has be able to make a nuclear cycle without waste.
I respect you, but sometimes you’re a propagandist.

karlof1 is correct, and his comment is not propaganda, except in the term’s more archaic sense of simply being information.
“Burning” atomic waste to the nuclear equivalent of harmless ash is not magic. The process has been understood for many decades. In fact, there was a small experimental reactor in the US that did just that but was dismantled back in the 1970s (fast breeder molten salt reactor). The problem is not knowing how to do it, but rather being able to do the process profitably and at scale, and in the West profit is king. Production scale molten salt reactors are complex and expensive to build, and they cannot be operated by the janitor. That means a permanent skilled workforce for the entire life of the plant, which is something capitalist investors absolutely hate.
For extra detail, the really difficult part of the process is not even building the reactors, but rather reprocessing the fuel from those reactors. The Russians are pretty good at it, though.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 11:03 utc | 344
William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 11:03 utc | 344–
Thanks for your comment! The reprocessing is indeed the key, complicated step in the process. Rosatom with its nuclear batteries and floating power plants for use in very isolated regions where stringing high voltage power lines is very expensive is what’s actually going to unlock the potential of the Arctic–and the West has nothing comparable. And then there’re the nuclear propulsion units for missiles and rockets and lunar stations.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 17 2025 13:55 utc | 385

This is truly mindboggling, on the order of Oreshniks to contemplate. Thank you both!

Posted by: juliania | Aug 17 2025 14:25 utc | 387

Why is Witkoff lying and saying Putin agreed to allow article 5 like protection for the rump ?
Putin could not and will never agree to such a concession.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 14:43 utc | 388

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 12:53 utc | 374

Thank you very much for the reply. It’s highly appreciated. I’ll have a look into his œuvre. He wrote a lot — anything you’d recommend specifically?
financial matters (Aug 17 2025 13:05 utc | 379): many thanks for book recommendations too!

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 13:28 utc | 382
The problem here is that the vast majority of the “secondary literature” is intended to either discredit Marx’s work or reformulate it to be compatible with capitalist ideology that dominates academia.

No doubt but it’s still a bad sign that 150 years afterwards there’s no *good* secondary literature, so we’re supposed to stick with the originals.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 17 2025 12:58 utc | 375
You “Kant” read Newton’s Principa Mathematica, because it was written by Bertrand Russell.
IYI

I’ve been referring to Newton’s “Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica” where he develops infinitesimal calculus in order to put classical mechanics on a mathematical basis (IMO the one piece missing to Galileo).
Does your “IYI” really mean “Intellectual Yet Idiot”?

Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 15:00 utc | 389

“… Many people thought it[the initial flyover] was an effort to bully and intimidate Putin, which I thought was a strange interpretation. How intimidated did he look, after all? I thought it was more of an honor guard with the very best America has to offer…”
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 17 2025 12:59 utc | 376
True again, William Gruff. As was the choice of the airbase for the summit. Both honor the coparticipation of Russian and American flyers in FDR’s land-lease program at a critical phase of WW2. As did Putin visiting the nearby cemetary after the talks.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 17 2025 15:05 utc | 390

To complete my series of references here, I’ll post this from Norwegian; thank you, Norwegian!

From Alex Christoforou in Cyprus, I learned about what Putin did in Alaska in connection with the meeting with Trump. He visited the graves of WWII Soviet soldiers buried at the Russian orthodox church there and laid flowers to each individual grave. That was very moving and worthy of a true leader.
Putin Honors Russia’s WWII Soldiers in Alaska Ahead of Trump Summit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH1v7SehPEc
This is how Russia earns respect from the world.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2025 7:58 utc | 310

Posted by: juliania | Aug 17 2025 15:19 utc | 391

To complete my series of references here, I’ll post this from Norwegian; thank you, Norwegian!

From Alex Christoforou in Cyprus, I learned about what Putin did in Alaska in connection with the meeting with Trump. He visited the graves of WWII Soviet soldiers buried at the Russian orthodox church there and laid flowers to each individual grave. That was very moving and worthy of a true leader.
Putin Honors Russia’s WWII Soldiers in Alaska Ahead of Trump Summit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TH1v7SehPEc
This is how Russia earns respect from the world.
Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 17 2025 7:58 utc | 310

Posted by: juliania | Aug 17 2025 15:19 utc | 392

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 17 2025 14:43 utc | 388
########
The Americans lie constantly.
It really makes me wonder why people continue to hang on every word from every government official from any administration.
I cannot think of the last administration with straight shooters.
I didn’t hear Witkoff but Bessent and Lutnick tell non-stop whoppers daily.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 15:23 utc | 393

Gruff
“try to imagine the “secondary literature” related to Darwin’s work had academia been dominated by religious fundamentalism that requires a divine creator as the explanation of biological diversity to get an idea how Marx’s work has been treated by capitalist ideologues (who, by the way, ignorantly insist they have no ideology! Such academic courage! /s).
as so with the Holocaust.
In the 90’s Canadian Universities were much more even handed in their teachings of political theory.
Most of us argued for Marxism in any debate. Perhaps that is why Canada embraced socialist ideologies. i.e. Companies like Dofasco Steel Company gave all employees shares in the company as part of their benefits program. It was substantial.
Of course the slow degradation of public owned utilities and safety nets have been obliterated and corporatized now.
tel est le monde

Posted by: ld | Aug 17 2025 15:26 utc | 394

He wrote a lot — anything you’d recommend specifically?
Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 15:00 utc | 389

Kropotkin’s most famous books (for a reason) are Mutual Aid; The conquest of bread; Fields, Factories and Workshops; Words of a Rebel.
His autobiography is good too.
I’m very fond of his seminal study The Great French Revolution, because it actually explains what was going on and why.
I haven’t yet read his last book, his Ethics, which he didn’t finish but was published anyway, I’ll probably read it soon.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 16:17 utc | 395

@383 karlof
Re: official statements.
Are you playing word games? I know both sides russia and the us can’t announce a land swap because they can’t sign such things on ukraines behalf.
Nonetheless they made a deal, of some parameters, which is now going to be put to Zelensky.
My take is that Trump was giving Zelensky this deal with a heres your peace take it or figure it out yourself.
Maybe I’m getting too many rumors from Telegram threads, but if your only using official sources I would bet your the one under informed.
At any rate Zelensky won’t take that deal because he’ll lose his power and possibly life. So it’s a moot point.
So I’m not lying I’m repeating what I’ve heard from multiple sources coalescing information common from sources that aren’t aligned with each other. It’s my take on open source intelligence.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 16:18 utc | 396

Sebastian Sas today believes that Trump may try to get the European leaders to convince Zelensky to agree to elections in Ukraine but notes that they all, probably minus Trump now, think that Ukraine is winning.
It’s worth its 20 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUE-nJP9ILE

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 16:23 utc | 397

@386 oui
Re: donbass region.
The donbass is donetsk and lughansk. It does not include kherson and zaporizhia.
Therefore by ceding the donbass implies freezing the border at the contact line K&Z which implies that Putin is willing to forgoe Russias claim to those territories.
Do we understand this the same way?

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 16:25 utc | 398

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 17 2025 16:23 utc | 397
Sebastian Sas today believes that Trump may try to get the European leaders to convince Zelensky to agree to elections in Ukraine but notes that they all, probably minus Trump now, think that Ukraine is winning.

We can’t look into the heads of EU leaders but from their words and actions, it does seem as if they think that. There are traces of realism in the EU (not just Orban and Fico) but these elites may have to be replaced before things can get better. And that won’t happen soon, I’m afraid.
At some point, internal contradictions will appear — when some/enough capitalists see the signs on the wall and want a way out. The opinion of wage workers is irrelevant, as always, and probably to a large extent under control anyway. And in the Ukraine, where people are genuinely unhappy, there’s open repression.
Thank you again for literature & discussion, Avtonom!

Posted by: Konami | Aug 17 2025 16:36 utc | 399

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Aug 17 2025 16:25 utc | 398
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Per the Russian constitution, no President can negotiate while Russian territory is occupied.
Putin is and always has been hyper-legalistic, which has me wondering why some commenters advance Western propaganda that is easily refuted…
First Ukraine retreats, then Putin can talk. As long as Ukraine occupies territory that is constitutionally Russian, Putin’s hands are tied. I believe this constitutional change was made when Novorussiyan territories were added.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 17 2025 16:37 utc | 400