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August 16, 2025
Summarizing The Summit

The summit between U.S. President Donald Trump and Russia's President Vladimir Putin was shorter than had been planned. But it was mostly successful.

Trump had urgently needed the meeting. He had pushed for a ceasefire in Ukraine. He had threatened to impose secondary sanctions against buyers of Russia's oil to press Russia towards that.

But Russia did not budge. Its interest is to eliminate the root cause of the war in Ukraine – the expansion of NATO towards Russia's borders. A ceasefire would only have paused the war but would not have solved the underlying issue.

For Trump the threat of secondary sanctions had become a trap. Some rather mild addition of tariffs against India had led to a strong backlash. India did not stop buying Russian oil but turned away from the U.S. to endorse Brics, Russia and China. Imposing secondary sanctions against China would have escalated into a trade war with China which the U.S. has no way to win.

The summit created a win for each side.

Trump acknowledged that a ceasefire was not possible and that the war needs to end with an all-encompassing peace agreement:

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump – Aug 16, 2025, 8:46 UTC

A great and very successful day in Alaska! The meeting with President Vladimir Putin of Russia went very well, as did a late night phone call with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine, and various European Leaders, including the highly respected Secretary General of NATO. It was determined by all that the best way to end the horrific war between Russia and Ukraine is to go directly to a Peace Agreement, which would end the war, and not a mere Ceasefire Agreement, which often times do not hold up. President Zelenskyy will be coming to D.C., the Oval Office, on Monday afternoon. If all works out, we will then schedule a meeting with President Putin. Potentially, millions of people’s lives will be saved. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

After he had given Putin that part of the cake Trump took his own piece. 

In an interview (vid) with Foxnews after the summit Trump was asked about imposing sanctions. He responded: "Well, because the meeting went so well, we don’t have to think about that now.”

There will be no ceasefire to freeze the conflict and there will be no sanctions. Both sides can count that as wins.

The task of ending the conflict was tossed off to Zelensky and Europe:

Without hesitating, Trump said that his advice to Zelenskyy after Friday’s meeting with Putin would be "make a deal."

On Monday Zelenski will be told to give up and to make peace with Russia. European protests against that will be ignored.

Comments

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Aug 16 2025 16:00 utc | 79
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Russia has been fighting the UK for centuries to avoid losing its resources and becoming a colony like Canada.
They aren’t going to give Trump sweetheart access.
I want to reiterate, Russia is winning handily on the battlefield, and has the greatest economic alliance (BRICS) in the world, while participating with China on a space program.
The West has no cards.
Russia almost needs to be begged to interact economically with the West. Putin is determined not to repeat his past mistakes of integrating too tightly with the West.
Russia’s future is in the East. All of humanity’s future is in the East.
It’s simple arithmetic. Trump and Europe have NOTHING that Russia absolutely needs.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:02 utc | 101

Reason2Resist: ‘Deal or No Deal?’ – With John Helmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDZyfKvYjCk
“Russian sources say Trump has accepted Russia’s territorial claims in Ukraine.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 16 2025 17:08 utc | 102

Most EU leaders remain faithful to the endsieg . They really want a good war.
Posted by: Exile | Aug 16 2025 15:46 utc | 71
Wouldn’t it be a fine idea to give them snd their advisers front line seats with all the experiences provided.

Posted by: jpc | Aug 16 2025 17:12 utc | 103

desperation sets in on the much valued eu or something.
note how even trump told them, no ceasefire, but a comprehensive end to the war, and yet these fascists and unelected autocratic regime pigs push and push and push for their ceasefire.
pathetic.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 16 2025 16:56 utc | 98
I suppose one reason behind EU opposition to a comprehensive settlement is that such an agreement needs a renewal of democratic legitimacy in Ukraine, i.e elections; I expect the Russian side have made it absolutely clear to DJT that Zelensky is not acceptable as a co-signatory, unless by chance he happens to get re-elected.
The EU is already having trouble ensuring “acceptable” election results in various countries, the last thing it needs is having to wrestle with the venomous snakes and greasy ladders of Ukrainian political factions.
Personally I think election campaigns in Ukraine will split the place asunder, guaranteed to bring about internal collapse.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 17:15 utc | 104

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 16:29 utc | 88
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Don’t look at YouTube videos of their (what they call) 3rd-tier cities.
It will make you cry.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:16 utc | 105

NPR is a known leftist lying sack of shit, which is why they are being defunded.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 16 2025 16:33 utc | 91
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NPR is of course not a leftist lying sack of shit but a liberal lying sack of shit. No leftist outlet would rely so heavily on “contributions” from corporations and Washington think tanks, or constantly sing the praises of capitalism.
Leftists have as little use for NPR as you do.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 16 2025 17:25 utc | 106

[Does] Trump [have] the room to maneuver now..an excuse to extract the US? It would be a waste of the narrative capital Trump has won to not take advantage of this opportunity” – William Gruff 7
It’s a good question…and will Trump follow his own instincts or…listen to DC’s clan of upward falling fools, frauds and grifters, the neocolonialist-neocons? If the aid can be cut-off or, reduced to the level of palliative care Russo-American relations could warm to the point that the world could see the promise of a new/better age.
I hope so, unlike those here, perhaps the majority, who pine for a societal-collapse [history is littered with such 300-1000 year periods of darkness] there many promising technological developments afoot. I hope to live long enough to see some of their implementation. And I am definitly not talking about the artifice of “artificial-imposture”, commonly referred to as AI
Stop the imperial/neocolonialist wars and all things are possible. Trump may be an imperfect vehicle but, he is the only leader in the “west” willing to challenge the orthodoxy of the neocolonialist/neocons. That’s a fact that drives the “liberals” and “lefties” of the “west”/here into a TDS induced frenzy.
Truthfully? I too wish it was otherwise, but unlike many here, I’ve had to play the cards life dealt me and it wasn’t a joyful time. I’d suggest the embittered posters here try working with what ->is<- rather than requiring the complete reordering of society as as the initial "first-step"...as the lads from Liverpool once said: You say you got a real solution, well, you know We’d all love to see the plan…

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 16 2025 17:27 utc | 107

Excellent roundup, b.
I particularly enjoyed your word-choice in this par:
The task of ending the conflict was tossed off to Zelensky and Europe.
A fitting fairwell to the tinpot tosspot, Zelenskyi?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 16 2025 17:27 utc | 108

Translated from Dutch state news media NOS:
“President Putin asked to give up Donetsk
President Putin said at the summit in Alaska that Ukraine should
withdraw from the Donetsk region. Then the rest of the front line could be frozen, provided Russia’s other demands are also met.
The Financial Times reports this, citing sources directly involved in the meeting between Putin and US President Trump.”
More spin from the warlocks or real offer from Putin. Time will tell. My guess is more spin.

Posted by: Governthemente | Aug 16 2025 17:31 utc | 109

@stranger #22
@snake #41
Marathon is an MIC think tank – unsurprising that they would continue to push for “Peace through Strength” via confrontation with one opponent after the other.
The question is not why such MIC sock puppets say what they say.
The question is: will the US government continue to be driven by these messages?
Trump’s platform across the last 12 years is “Peace through Strength” via building up American civilian capabilities via reshoring and minimizing illegal immigration and tariffs.
And no, this does not mean kumbaya across the world – no one should think or expect that the US will stop pursuing its interests around the world.
But there is a huge difference between openly confronting Russia via an Ukrainian proxy or confronting China via a Taiwan proxy vs. say, the unfolding Armenia/Azerbaijan situation.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 16 2025 17:31 utc | 110

Massive counterattack by the Ukrainians. They not only managed to stop the Russian breaktrough north of Novotorets’ke and west of Rodynske but were also able to recapture at least a third of the Russian gains. Also at Pokrowsk, the Russians lost recently gained territory.
I know, it is a back and forth and the main picture is that the Russians are gaining at the moment an average of +20km2 a day (according the calculations of Wyatt from DPA). But still… the calls, that the Ukrainian army is collapsing were premature IMHO.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:32 utc | 111

Re: JRL #104
.. renewal of democratic legitimacy in Ukraine, i.e. elections.
Who cares?? How to manage fair elections in a highly corrupt (rump) state of Western Ukraine. The Donbas region had been banned from participating since 2014 … lifting martial law would be a start.
The Russian speaking oblasts would have to be excluded … is territory of the Russian Federation now. Seal the deal Don.

Posted by: Oui | Aug 16 2025 17:34 utc | 112

@ NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:32 utc | 111
AFU loses more and faster than ever before. The acceleration is undeniable and there is nothing there that can even slow it down anymore. “But AFU is still in the fight” is the biggest delusion to cover for the disaster which unfolds exactly as many have predicted years ago. Stop wasting your time with it.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 16 2025 17:38 utc | 113

@Jane #90
I don’t fully agree with your statement

The EU was already trying to “fuck with Russia” before the Maidan.

In my view: Europe was trying to bring Russia to heel for defying European NATO and expansion plans via the sanctions regime that started in 2014.
These early sanctions were not trying to destroy Russia/break up Russia – they were intended to force Russia to not oppose said NATO/EU expansion.
The problem is that these sanctions did not work as the dumbfucks thought.
The EU view in 2014 was clearly that Russia was a “gas station with nukes”; it turns out that what Russia actually is, is a critical supplier of energy and customers for Europe.
As I have mentioned previously: Doomberg notes that the EU consumes 38 exajoules of fossil fuel energy today vs. production of 5 exajoules. This is after decades and literally hundreds of billions of euros of “alternative energy” subsidies.
What prosperity that was enjoyed by EU nations, is now unquestionaly clearly underwritten by cheap Russian energy fueling EU homes and businesses, and Russian consumers buying European products.
Well, the sanctions (and Nord Stream) have accomplished nothing except empoverish the EU via high energy prices – of ironically still a huge amount of Russian energy – and via replacement of European suppliers of consumer goods by Chinese and Russian and other suppliers.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 16 2025 17:39 utc | 114

@ Oui | Aug 16 2025 17:34 utc | 112
Personally I don’t care, however “the forms must be observed” if only to reassure the thoroughly propagandised MSM audiences that everything is above board, under control and going according to plan.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 17:39 utc | 115

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 16 2025 16:33 utc | 91
Anyone who thinks NPR or the Dems are ‘left’ is clueless. They are center-right tools of a ruling class tendency, as the Repups are right-extreme right tools of another ruling class tendency. Such labeling only serves the duopoly. ‘Left’ means expropriation of the ruling capitalist class, which is abhorrent to any Dem politician or fixer. I hope that’s clear now.

Posted by: Dave Mack | Aug 16 2025 17:44 utc | 116

AFU loses more and faster than ever before. The acceleration is undeniable and there is nothing there that can even slow it down anymore. “But AFU is still in the fight” is the biggest delusion to cover for the disaster which unfolds exactly as many have predicted years ago. Stop wasting your time with it.
Posted by: boneless | Aug 16 2025 17:38 utc | 113
“The acceleration is undeniable..”
True.
“”But AFU is still in the fight” is the biggest delusion””
Why is that a delusion? We both know that Ukraine is losing, but there were posters here who said, the Ukrainian army is breaking down. If that would be the case, they wouldn’t counterattack in the way, that they are doing at the moment.
“Stop wasting your time with it”
It’s none of your business, how I waste my time.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:46 utc | 117

@ NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:32 utc | 111
Dead cat bounce; any temporary push-back is just that, temporary. The AFU doesn’t have the resources to support permanent re-occupation of any point on the contact line, the Russians continue to target the rear supply lines.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 17:46 utc | 118

So NPR, Bernie Sanders, AOC, Hakeem and Momdani are right of center………….right, ok, yea…..I cant stop laughing……………

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 16 2025 17:48 utc | 120

Trump doesn’t tell Selensky what to do. He tells him that soon, he’ll be fighting on his own. And let him draw his own conclusions.
Same for the Europeans. They’ll be welcome to pay for Ukraine. But if that money doesn’t buy weapons, that won’t help Selensky all that much. Again, Trump is cutting them loose so they’ll come to the right conclusions all by themselves. If that takes too long, there may be a reminder or two, to speed up the implementation of the Deal they signed, on tariffs, and investments, and energy purchases.
To help them get their priorities straight.

Posted by: Marvin | Aug 16 2025 17:49 utc | 121

Verified?
Posted by: Oui | Aug 16 2025 17:48 utc | 119
Well also pro Russian Youtube channels like Weeb Union or neutral ones like DPA (Defense Politics Asia) are saying it so yes, it is probably verified.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:51 utc | 122

@ NoName | Aug 16 2025 17:46 utc | 117
Did you notice how they counter-attack? Were those reserves? No. They pulled active units from another front. What does that mean? It doesn’t matter if they can defend a village if they lose three cities at the same time. It’s a breakdown. You deny arguments which are right in front of you just to say “AFU is still in the fight”. None of that matters anymore.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 16 2025 17:52 utc | 123

NoName 111 – Stop listening to Radio Kieve, nothing of the sort is happening along the eastern front. RF is making substantial progress everywhere, and are now in open field country west of the second defense line. In a week they will be at the Dnieper east bank in force.
We are witnessing May 1940, bring up the railway coach please………

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 16 2025 17:52 utc | 124

“Next time in Moscow.”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 16 2025 13:53 utc | 8
Putin should put some temporary military accomodations for the Trump meeting where the Soviet Union detonated their 60 megaton hydrogen bomb.

Posted by: Drapetomaniac | Aug 16 2025 17:55 utc | 125

@ Oui | Aug 16 2025 17:48 utc | 119
As per usual, when AFRF advances further than is comfortable to admit they say “dozens of russians”.
When AFU counters, it becomes “caused hundreds of casualties”.
Please.
They’ve got a village back, sure. They will milk that as much as they can like they always do.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 16 2025 17:56 utc | 126

“There will be no ceasefire to freeze the conflict and there will be no sanctions. Both sides can count that as wins.”
Russia is the only winner here. Russia opposed a temporary ceasefire and sanctions and prevailed. The U.S. supported a temporary ceasefire and secondary sanctions and lost.

Posted by: Mark Moore | Aug 16 2025 18:02 utc | 127

Drapetomaniac | Aug 16 2025 17:55 utc | 125
It’s a lake!!
LOL!

Posted by: Mann Friedmann | Aug 16 2025 18:02 utc | 128

So,
It seems the Jew Trojan Horse did not betray Russia?
Where are Vargas and Brigitt Monthaupt, we need some explanation about this failure.
Posted by: scc | Aug 16 2025 15:58 utc | 78
Well, I was wrlng abkut the durect betrayal, but Putin’s last offer related to the ceasefire is more then generous.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2025 18:03 utc | 129

>>> “the presstitution industry has become acutely aware of as of late is that they don’t have the narrative traction they used to have. They have to be very careful of spinning their wheels because each time they do they lose more eyeballs.
Of course, they will try to reestablish Russia as the Baddie du Jour, but for the time being Trump is immune to their bullshit. He needs to use this opportunity while it lasts.” <<< Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2025 15:16 utc | 54 . . The corporate media is a tool of their Blob owners(Same as most politicians). They are not "aware". They are paid to do as they are told. They do it. Monolithically. As is being bandied in above comments. Politics and media are monoliths. Russia is bad. Say it or find another job, bootlickers. Also, orange man bad. Also, eat the bugs. Now, a few might blow a bit of contrarian gas periodically, but they get dealt with eventually. In Trump's case, impeachment and murder are on the table, as we know. Russia will have to put down the Blob. We're too stupid and weak, so much so that some of us don't even see our slave masters for what they are.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 18:04 utc | 130

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 14:24 utc | 25
Thanks also for the Haiphong/Escobar link, karlof1. I had wondered about your Tass description of the press kafuffle, got that explained, much as I’d surmised it had been. Pepe is going to be so busy, not to mention everyone else. Thank goodness we have b and you to keep us on the straight and narrow!
Get plenty of rest next week.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 16 2025 18:05 utc | 131

And please, please don’t insult Dima. He works day and night to bring us the truth about this war.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2025 18:05 utc | 132

Don’t be fooled. Zelensky has no agency. On Monday, he will do whatever Trump tells him to do.
USA has suffered a humiliating defeat. Monday’s meeting with Zelensky is all about face saving.

Posted by: Anton Gorbatow | Aug 16 2025 18:09 utc | 133

Even the “Pax Americana” needs to alleviate the multiple fronts.
Fighting against everyone, even if mass media propaganda projects the superiority of the hegemon, is an inefficient waste of energy.
The United States, its “deep state,” its “administrators,” the President, or whatever you want to call him, has a basic problem to face in the coming years: how to get rid of the “burden” it carries and which weakens it even further in its decline.
Europe, the Middle East, and Russia are the first problems it must solve because it must focus its energy on the center that “threatens” global control of the routes of goods and services, and, more importantly, the mode, the power, in which these flows will be carried out in the next 5, 10, 20 years.
Those who think Trump is a simple narcissist, because of his arrogance-filled speech, ignore the facts that are taking place beneath his high-sounding declarations. Therefore, because he intends to emphasize his support for realistic, fact-based policies, Putin gives Trump a recognition that is directed at those who want to torpedo the resolution of a strategic conflict: “If you had been president of the United States, there wouldn’t have been this conflict.”
Paraphrasing:
“Make it happen and focus your efforts on your future conflict. With me, you don’t need to fight because you’ll lose focus. Concentrate on the inevitable conflict we will experience as a world.
But you always have the option to recognize where we all stand and reach agreements that benefit everyone.
You choose, America.”
Post Scriptum and in topic:
How is the case that LD writes between 14:00-15:00 UTC and the next day 6:00-7:00 utc, 24/7?.
And that is not the most important question. The robot can indeed be a human. The primordial thing is why the constant hatred poured against everything and everyone.
Simply, compare with factual guys like Karlof1 or always inoffensive gals like Juliania.
Good night.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 18:10 utc | 134

I know I’ve said it before, but I think vargas is Dima’s retarded little brother. And, sometimes he gives himself away pulling our collected leg, maybe some NAFO’s extracurricular project.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 16 2025 18:17 utc | 135

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 16:29 utc | 88
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Don’t look at YouTube videos of their (what they call) 3rd-tier cities.
It will make you cry.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:16 utc | 105
Oh, I read Karloff’s Substack. I know. It’s like future world. Meanwhile the US infrastructure circa the 1960s rots.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:18 utc | 136

So- Zelensky, Rutte, and various other European leaders all agreed that a ceasefire was unnecessary and we need to go straight to a peace agreement?
Cool story, bro. I hope Trump can force it on them.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 16 2025 15:39 utc | 65
I guess that’s why you labor on wages ? Rich people who lives on rent are used to read between the lines.
By agreeing on what is a known red line of the various warmongers and project Ukraine financiers, Trump actually greenlighted the final RF offensive.
That is what the coke jester will be told on Monday : “make a deal (=surrender) while you still have a country and some assets to sell out to your masters, or the russians will destroy what’s left of your zombie army and occupy any territory they want, leaving you whithout anything but your ass to sell to those who still expect some ROI from this failed venture…”
And that’s why, EU “leaders” are already hoisting the white flag by saying through their owned MSM that “a ceasefire may be acceptable if…”, trying to pretend to have heard “ceasefire” instead of “peace agreeement” and trying to swallow the world humiliation of being left aside, because without US support, there is no credible military EU contingent to enforce any of their “coalition of the flaccid willies” main goals. They are irrelevant and the whole world now knows it (if not already sure of it).
So of course, it is expected from Trump (& Putin) that the warmongers & planners will reject the ultimatum offered to Zelensky on Monday, hence enabling the final phase of the war : the UAF annihilation, the front lines crumbling to the Dnieper, the collapse of Zelensky regime and the unconditional surrender by someone holding the pretense of a Rada mandate. Then RF force will establish a security zone, which will be transferred to some neutral country, and will redeploy to the four russian oblasts, showing the world the russian good will and the stupidity of those who try to pretend that Putin wanted “all of Europe”. Ukraine will be reduced to a failed state under EU drip feed at EU taxpayers costs and will be demilitarized and neutralized for the 50 years to come.
End of SMO, goals achieved. 1 more country and 1.5 millions dead and maimed on the globalists altar.

Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 18:21 utc | 137

NPR is a known leftist lying sack of shit, which is why they are being defunded.
Posted by: Nooneuknow | Aug 16 2025 16:33 utc | 91
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NPR is of course not a leftist lying sack of shit but a liberal lying sack of shit. No leftist outlet would rely so heavily on “contributions” from corporations and Washington think tanks, or constantly sing the praises of capitalism.
Leftists have as little use for NPR as you do.
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 16 2025 17:25 utc | 106
You’re both wrong.
NPR is an organ of the Imperialist genocidal Democratic Party. Thus, it is a far right wing institution that seeks to convince chumps it is “leftist” by highlighting increasingly unhinged culture war politics while pushing for war and genocide across the globe to benefit the cretinous American billionaire.
Supporting Imperialist war, covering for genocide. These are as far right a politic as one can engage in. These are the crimes of Hitler for Christ sake!
In the mouths of the bourgeois press, the terms have no meaning. In objective reality, they do. Focus more on the latter if you want to correctly “put the bell on the cat” as they say down under.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:25 utc | 138

That weird long thin two fingered Russian salient is very weird, knowing nothing about the actual fighting there, what’s it’s heading towards, or the topography my totally off hand guess is it was either a fuck up, where the forward drgs got way out ahead of themselves, or the salient is bait. Earlier on in the SMO I would have a mistake but now the RUAF is very seasoned with robust communications and ISR, so, I’m leaning bait. Doomers might want to double up on the mood stabilizers and wait it out.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 16 2025 18:26 utc | 139

A tug on the leash and a shout of “Heel, boy” and the obedient mutt scampers back to its master:

Zelensky flies to US to discuss exit from Donbas in exchange for peace
Trump called Zelensky to discuss the exit from the Donbass in exchange for Putin’s guarantees
This is reported by RegioNews with reference to The New York Times.
According to the publication, in addition to Zelensky, Trump plans to win over Ukraine’s allies in Europe to the side of this comprehensive “peace agreement”. Ukraine will have to hand over the unoccupied territories of Donbass to the Russian Federation.
This is contrary to the strategy that Trump and European allies, as well as Zelensky, agreed on before the US-Russia summit in Alaska.
Recall that Zelensky will meet with Trump in Washington on Monday, August 18. The President of Ukraine announced this after a conversation with the American leader on August 16.

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/politics/1755356736-zelenskiy-letit-do-ssha-obgovoryuvati-vihid-iz-donbasu-v-obmin-na-mir (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 18:26 utc | 140

Meanwhile, somewhere in Ukraine, MI6 and Luftwaffe technicians prepare a Su-24 to launch two Taurus missiles at Moscow . . .

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 16 2025 18:27 utc | 141

Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 18:21 utc | 137
Your dig at those who’s survival depends on a wage (virtually the whole fucking world), undermined anything you has to say. Sad thing is, you’re probably not rich at all. False class consciousness is sad to watch.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:29 utc | 142

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 16 2025 18:27 utc | 141
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Dare to give a source for that?

Posted by: scc | Aug 16 2025 18:31 utc | 143

LightYearsFromHome | Aug 16 2025 18:17 utc | 135
Vargas is a bot. One, on purpose, idiotic bot.
The owner’s aim is to perfil the personalities and categorize the emotional responses in order to build a base data that test our rational answers.
No human is so liar, dishonest and idiot like Vargas. Wait a minute …

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 18:32 utc | 144

re: scc | Aug 16 2025 18:31 utc | 143
My twisted sense of humor and familiarity with Perfidious Albion.

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 16 2025 18:33 utc | 145

The BBC’s Radio 4 runs a show called Question Time. It really is a piss-poor bit of government propaganda. The panel is a group of establishment shills, usually made up of MPs of the parties, a right wing commentator and for alleged balance, someone with slightly less pro-establishment views. So however mildly contrary that last panel member may seem, they’re always outnumbered 5-1 on the panel. And then there’s the audience supposedly randomly chosee but its been demonstrated on many occasions to consist of plants placed to cue up questions for the panel.
Today’s softball lobs for the panel were “aren’t the panel shocked that war criminal Putin, shunned by the world, was given not only a platform but a red-carpeted one?”
This is typical of the shit fed to the public and why there is little hope that the UK public will stand up and throw out the genocide supporting grifters that comprise the ruling class. They really believe that the UK, US and its other vassals constitute ‘the World’.
I fear for any progressive change. Worth re-reading Marx’s and Engels’ ‘The German Ideology’.

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 16 2025 18:36 utc | 146

please note:
Moscow’s core goal is a roll back of NATO to the 1996 members plus a bunch of other security guarantees. The Ukrainian Civil War is a mere side show.
Also note – that re-joining SWIFT or getting “investment” from US banksters is no longer of interest to Moscow. That train left the station in 2014.

Posted by: exile | Aug 16 2025 18:36 utc | 147

I listened to NPR religiously for years, I finally figured it out with the Gulf War II, I’m still wearing a hair shirt and self flagellating, it’s been a long penitence, I could quit but I can’t forgive my own stupidity.
I feel better talking about it, maybe it’ll help someone.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 16 2025 18:38 utc | 148

No human is so liar, dishonest and idiot like Vargas. Wait a minute …
Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 18:32 utc | 144
My god.

Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2025 18:41 utc | 149

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 18:26 utc | 140
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If Trump is really saying this, then it is the equivalent of an offer that Z can’t refuse. I doubt Russia would want such an offer to be made right now. And I doubt that Trump is at that point yet, because it’d mean he’s cutting the hohols loose, which is not within his grasp right now.
Sounds like Blob media bullshit, basically.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 18:42 utc | 150

Its all just a sick distraction from the mass murder in Gaza.
Its not going anywhere.
While the pols are on vacation.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 16 2025 18:43 utc | 151

“the forms must be observed”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 17:39 utc | 115
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That is fundamental to understanding political theater.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 18:44 utc | 152

Esophagus @ 144
He’s too simple for a bot, still singing “Bicycle Built For Two” in this age of free AI. But, of course the “too stupid to be true” is the hook.
Cute bot though, must be some South Korean or Japanese NAFO contractor testing to see if what works on 12y/o girls works on the wonks of MoA.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 16 2025 18:47 utc | 153

Russia almost needs to be begged to interact economically with the West.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:02 utc | 101
Russia could take a look at what happens to China.
The US lifts an export ban, allowing sales of artificial intelligence chips to China. Next thing, the Chinese government summons Nvidia over backdoors in the chips sold.
Buy an American or European product and you set yourself up for blackmail.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 16 2025 18:48 utc | 154

LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 18:44 utc | 152
Yeah. And your behavior is fundamental to understand your theater.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 18:50 utc | 155

Sounds like Blob media bullshit, basically.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 18:42 utc | 150
Since the quote referenced the New York Times I took that as a given; just mildly intrigued as to why a Ukrainian outlet would choose to run with it and put this spin on it: “This is contrary to the strategy that Trump and European allies, as well as Zelensky, agreed on before the US-Russia summit in Alaska.”
The Alaskan summit has put further stress on an already strained alignment.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 18:57 utc | 156

Only fools think The US has nothing Russia needs.
Utterly wrong.
Russia needs peace for prosperity.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 16 2025 19:01 utc | 157

*** As for the root cause, IMO it’s the ongoing Cold War that never ceased against USSR/Russia in 1990 of which NATO expansion is a part.
***
It appears an initial step along the path to an ultimate global peace has commenced, but IMO it’s best not to hold one’s breath or get too overconfident because the Neoliberal/Neocon Parasites will fight the attempt so they can continue to reap their rents.
Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 14:24 utc |
I agree wholeheartedly with this observation. That the US went down this path has always been very diffucult for me to understand and accept (From my point of view as the product of a nuclear authoritarian family structure, and thus constitutionally convinced that governments will act unfairly as a feature and not a bug – an example being how Cromwell acted with respect to Ireland).
Communism always included an internationalst component, a fact unquestioningly accepted as true by any US product of the 50’s and 60’s. Internatinal export of Communism produced disaster, e.g. Cultural Revolution, Killing fields, etc. So to me, a muscular foregn policy was sensible, as was the consensus in the 80’s. This perception, unknown to just about the entire US public, resulted from a carefully curated narrative.
This narrative, however, was not the result of the conscious acts of any one person or group because the US just doesnt work that way. To the contrary, this “western” conception of reality came to exist because it supported profit making interests – small, medium, large and gigantic – of a neocolonialism with the added muscle of a domestic governmental capture. US government power incrementally became increasingly animated in the practice of capturing foreign governments using the tools developed to “fight communism”. This is where the momentum began.
To me, naive to all this, the fall of the Berlin wall and the ejectment of Communism from Russia presented the opportunity for expanding markets, increased trade and prosperity. What i completely missed, consistent with my media conditioned knowledge, was the extremely muscular and skilled beast that had already captured US government power and was georging itself in darkness upon extra-US profit sources – as a small example the offshore enterprises that turned the US Mid-Atlantic into the rust belt. After all, who would make that connection at the time?
To me, this backdrop explains why the US security state remained active in clandestine regime destabilization like continuing to support Banderistan. US policy never changed from the anti-communist policies aimed against the CCCP because enough nameless, faceless and voiceless actors thought of enough clever things to say to keep government things just as they were. Government inertia can be a funny thing like that.
As time went on, the secret toys would be brazenly taken out into the light by the “F the EU” Nuland types. I wrote a piece back in 2014 that Maidan would be seen by historians as the start of the next cold war. Silly me, thinking the darkness loving muscular and skilled beast would start a hot war.
So Mr. Karlof1, perhaps the post cold war peace dividend is upon us. I hope so, but I have my doubts. USAID has been paired, DJT survived assination and the EU is appearing to be nutile. Gen Z in the US, and hopefully in the RF and throughout Europe, seems to be seeing the ZUS charade for what it is. But the incentives for the muscular beast in the darkness to feed remain. The challenge for the ages, one that i pray for, is whether these incentives may be chilled by a Yalta+ architecture.
But who am I to really know why things like this happened? I am a nobody. But happened they did with nobody being responsible for millions of lost lives. Escape from responsibility is a feature of governments, not a bug.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 158

Spanish press:

Putin demands full control of Donbas region in exchange for freezing the frontline (elpais)

If everyone posts the headlines of your own countries’ press, we get a good overview.

Posted by: Passerby | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 159

That is fundamental to understanding political theater.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 18:44 utc | 152
Indeed, at a superficial level the narrative must be maintained, “democracy”, “freedom”, “legitimacy”, “unprovoked” and all the rest of the paraphernalia of manipulative language continues to pop up; as if an army of words can replace the long-lost army of infantry, artillery and logistics.
I see the West as being caught in a dilemma of its own making, on one hand it absolutely needs the narrative of “legitimacy” conferred by an electoral process in Ukraine, on the other hand they suspect (as I strongly do) this will collapse the whole fragile edifice via internal implosion.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 19:09 utc | 160

Tom Pfotzer | Aug 16 2025 16:00 utc | 79
you understand the tea-leaves well, it seems to me. Also – the investment aspects (of the Putin/Trump meeting) do not take away from the continued truth that the Russia and Asia are more powerful than the USA/NATO alliance.
NPR is of course not a leftist lying sack of shit but a liberal lying sack of shit. …
Posted by: malenkov | Aug 16 2025 17:25 utc | 106
Malenkov, you ought to amplify the description of NPR with the epithet “..liberal lying and dual citizen-infested sack of..”
Those are my fleeting observations of the commentariat today as of this time of day and time zone..

Posted by: fanto | Aug 16 2025 19:17 utc | 161

Russia wont let ukraine join NATO. That would be suicide.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 16 2025 19:25 utc | 162

>>> “The Alaskan summit has put further stress on an already strained alignment.” <<< Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 18:57 utc | 156 . . Yeah, Trump seems to have set it up to do that. His m.o. is to assign responsibility for issues, and the eurocucks are being assigned responsibility for their glorious ukie war. We'll see if he can make that stick.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 19:33 utc | 163

@ Passerby | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 159
honouring your request, here is the title and link to cbc’s ( canada public broadcaster ) input for you to add..
the article quotes usa stooges who can only see putin as an evil dictator, lol..
Did Putin blink in talks with Trump in Alaska? Some experts say it’s highly unlikely
U.S. president says 3-way summit with Ukraine and Russia will be among next steps

here is the important propaganda quote from the article –
“There was no mention of the term ceasefire,” said Michael Carpenter, a former U.S. ambassador and permanent representative to the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe.
“There was obviously no agreement. I wasn’t expecting there to be an agreement because, frankly, all along I’ve been saying that the fundamentals don’t align here — namely that Russia wants the subjugation of Ukraine, and President Zelenskyy is not going to allow for the capitulation of his country.”
i have spared you having to read the article, lol..

Posted by: james | Aug 16 2025 19:37 utc | 164

@ Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:25 utc | 138
Nothing you wrote contradicts anything I wrote. By any meaningful standard, after all, liberals *are*, to use your term, “far right wing”. (Note how I don’t consider idpol a meaningful standard.)
@ fanto | Aug 16 2025 19:17 utc | 161
Duly noted!

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 16 2025 19:38 utc | 165

Passerby | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 159
“El País” is a the Spanish version of the New York Times.
Atlantic narrative with a touch of left. But, a mouthpiece of the Soros’ democracy.
NATO. That is. We have a fixed idea of what it must be done to protect the individuals from the problems they live. We call their lives, values.
Of course, no body give a fuck for their interests or imagination, because all of us build this fucking existence.
A society needs basic behavior in order to make food, energy and law.
We all have those. We don’t need any education nor any ministry to tell us who are.
We are humans. And, if the humans can’t be who they are, individuals who feel and will, our individuality, we are toast.
Why? Because, to be aware of ourselves, we must, as a law, be conscious of our individual self. Even, it is ficticious.
There’s no doubt that the unique mechanism to be conscious of the others, is to be aware of our self, ego, individual personality, to understand the other.
We are all selves, but we live in between desires.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 19:44 utc | 166

Jane | Aug 16 2025 16:33 utc | 90–
Thanks for your reply. You’re partially correct, although the Empire has always been against Europe getting any energy supplies from USSR/Russia. The problem at first was Europe needed that energy to reindustrialize so it could be a viable Cold War partner. When Neoliberalism took hold, the opposition to Russian/Soviet energy increased. Do recall the great resistance to Nord Stream One and even greater resistance to the second project.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 19:47 utc | 167

All this back & forth discussion. But no-one is addressing the important issue — Will Zelensky crawl into the DC Swamp wearing his well-laundered green t-shirt, or will he wear a suit & tie?
We could start a nice little gambling session on that topic.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Aug 16 2025 19:48 utc | 168

1. Zelenski will be offered an escorted ride to his Miami residence. There must be moments of clarity, even for this nasal queen.
2. Anyone who thinks NPR or the Dems are ‘left’ is clueless. They are center-right tools of a ruling class tendency, as the Repups are right-extreme right tools of another ruling class tendency. Such labeling only serves the duopoly. ‘Left’ means expropriation of the ruling capitalist class, which is abhorrent to any Dem politician or fixer. I hope that’s clear now.
Posted by: Dave Mack | Aug 16 2025 17:44 utc | 116
All of Marx’s disciples, including eager socialists, sold out long, long ago. Their Pension Funds depend on the Stock Markets which are controlled by their owners. WTF does it take for brains – that you’ve sold out your future to the skimmers and churners?

Posted by: kupkee | Aug 16 2025 19:53 utc | 169

The US has other wars to wage and other places to stir up trouble.
Let the Europeans buy US weapons and support the Kiev regime.
When Kiev collapses Trump and the US will sort of have already washed their hands of the affair.
The Don looks good and the US wasn’t involved.

Posted by: Frank | Aug 16 2025 19:54 utc | 170

A good bet would be whether the Blob will murder Z and blame Trump or Putin, or both. He’s outlived his usefulness alive, but may be useful as a martyr. And the Blob can confiscate his swag and give it to the next nazis in line.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 19:54 utc | 171

Zelensky Details Trump Phone Call, Confirms Washington Meeting
https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-trump-call-meeting-washington-2114419
“An agenda for Monday’s meeting has not been released, but Trump said he and Zelensky would discuss an agreement ‘which would end the war.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 16 2025 19:57 utc | 172

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 16 2025 18:36 utc | 146
Queation Time is the TV version, Any Questions the Radio 4 equivalent.
Both are execrable.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 16 2025 19:58 utc | 173

Zakharova always dispensing good advise, to the coalition of the willing, don’t forget the teaspoons and napkins.
“ElPaís” aka loPaís, that is to say something absolutely neutered, is a rag of the worst kind, something like a Bernie or AOC of journalism, getting its cues from the NYTimes and repeating like a good parrot the points distributed by the mighty wurlitzer, for the Alaska meeting the cue is “isolation has been broken for Putin” showing its absolute contempt for China, India, Brazil and a very long list of countries. A total rag, owned by the world owners, and part of a consortium of media companies that in the old days had a monopoly in text books down in Iberoamérica, that is Hispanoamérica plus Brazil. The term LatinAmerica is French bullshit, they wanna be in the sauce for its colonies in the Caribbean and their very short stay in Mexico. Since they lost that market in Venezuela their venom against that brotherly country is just shameful, a foreing agent to be brief.

Posted by: Paco | Aug 16 2025 20:07 utc | 174

Part of the peace deal will need to include disbanding NATO.
Or it will be tempory and worthless to Russia.

Posted by: mark2 | Aug 16 2025 20:08 utc | 175

Posted by: Vragtes | Aug 16 2025 15:13 utc | 52
Therefore I don’t understand how Trump’s assertion that the matter is now for Zelensky and the US’s poodles in Europe to settle, constitutes some sort of victory for Russia. It never was about Ukraine versus Russia; it was always the US’s war against Russia. Trump could have ended the war at any time
Yes, and this is the devastating fact of the matter…
it was always the US’s war against Russia.
And yes, Trump could have ended that slaughter just as he could end the slaughter in Palestine.

Posted by: john | Aug 16 2025 20:10 utc | 176

Russia is a proper country with a genuine leader.
Shades of how comrade Xi operates.
Americans and Europeans cannot imagine it.
Bifurcated reality.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 15:02 utc | 42
Proper? Not to me. I could lay and endlees list of sins at the feet of authoritarian leaning governments, but it’s not my thing to play the in group out group game.
The observation that interests me is the thinking that groups Russia and China together under the “proper” category. Both places have a exogenous communitarian family structure, where the family organizes around a patriarch and wives are brought from outside the structure.
Your relationship with your father tends to mirror in your government – there, respect for authority and much energy establishing your standing withing the family hierarchy. So having a proper relationship with your father/government is salutary.
In my family structure, I should expect and probably get nothing. So I make my own way in the priesthood, military or business. Life’s a bi*** then you die. I want my government to f off permanently because their arbitrary power will screw me and they will never be responsible for the harm caused.
So bifurcation? Yes. If your choosing which is better, your ego will ruin you. You will do much better by making decisions that anticipate behavior based upon these realities. Those in the West were imaginative enough to understand this, and use it to capture many, many governments, i.e. Russia of the 1990’s.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 16 2025 20:13 utc | 177

Both are execrable.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 16 2025 19:58 utc | 173
These days even the Question Time theme tune raises my hackles. The panel, the audience and the questions are so obviously contrived it is impossible to take seriously. It’s not even any good as low-grade political satire.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 16 2025 20:13 utc | 178

Now that the summit is over, we are still not given anything newsworthy about the topics discussed and decisions made.
One thing of substance seems to be the land swaps mentioned by Trump before the summit. It is clear that Putin wants the Donezk and Lugansk oblasts in full size, including the parts he doesn’t yet control. In Sapporizhia and Kherson the suggested partiton may be mainly following the current frontline, with a few corrections here and there. No Russian claims in any other oblasts.
This is as far as Putin can make concessions. He cannot surrender parts of Donezk or Lugansk because he was called to help by these oblasts (then independent states) in February 2022. He cannot surrender any parts of Sapporizhia or Kherson that he once controlled, and leave their population at the merci of the Kiev regime, after he had held referenda in those places and promised to protect the population from retaliatory violence of Kiev.
So I think I’m pretty close to the solution that is being envisaged by Trump and Putin. It may well be that, as the only obstacle to its implementation, Zelenskyy will get in the way. Removing him might be the only solution. Lately, we’ve had many reports suggesting that his replacement is being underway, driven by forces inside Ukraine or in the EU.
I have to say I’m less than convinced by these reports. There is no legal way for the EU to organize Z’s removal. To do it, one must be as unscrupulous and skillful as the USA or Israel or the Brits. In Europe, nobody else is playing at this level. So it might well happen – although I hate the idea of it – that Z will be on the evening news of many more months to come.

Posted by: grunzt | Aug 16 2025 20:15 utc | 179

karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 19:47 utc | 167
Thanks a lot for your aim. You are a moral person who try to elevate all of us. Your purpose is clear: you try to bring out light and rational thoughts.
But, notwithstanding your teaching, dear guru, you repeat the same “outright” motive and you don’t evolve your thoughts. Are you clinking to the unique materials?
Do not be a unique guru. Let the people think by themselves.
And, for the sake of Peter, do not repeat that Rosatom or whatever has be able to make a nuclear cycle without waste.
I respect you, but sometimes you’re a propagandist.

Posted by: Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 20:15 utc | 180

>>> “Part of the peace deal will need to include disbanding NATO.” <<< Posted by: mark2 | Aug 16 2025 20:08 utc | 175 . . NATO is the US, and if the US doesn't fund Blob wars like Ukraine, NATO is dead.

Posted by: seer | Aug 16 2025 20:15 utc | 181

NoName 111 – Stop listening to Radio Kieve, nothing of the sort is happening along the eastern front.
Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 16 2025 17:52 utc | 124
I mentioned my sources:
Weeb Union (pro Russian)
DPA (Defence Politics Asia) (neutral)

Posted by: NoName | Aug 16 2025 20:18 utc | 182

Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 18:21 utc | 137
Your dig at those who’s survival depends on a wage (virtually the whole fucking world), undermined anything you has to say. Sad thing is, you’re probably not rich at all. False class consciousness is sad to watch.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:29 utc | 142
Why are sarcasm and irony so often lost on people nowadays ? Of course, I am a wage laborer myself and I have been anti-bourgeois all my life.
But you’re basically saying that if someone offends you, or your feelings, you can exclude yourself from reading/hearing what he has to say/write. Which is pecisely the “de rigueur” postmodern bourgeois behaviour : “no more mean tweets”, I want my safe space and the whole liberal cancel propaganda apparatus.
What the hell are you doing on MoA ? Are you lost ?

Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 20:18 utc | 183

And please, please don’t insult Dima. He works day and night to bring us the truth about this war.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 16 2025 18:05 utc | 132
Rhetorical question: Are you Dima?

Posted by: NoName | Aug 16 2025 20:24 utc | 184

*** Russia has been fighting the UK for centuries to avoid losing its resources and becoming a colony like Canada. ***
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 17:02 utc | 101
The UK Empire model is far older than that. The Normans were raiders by trade. When the Plantagenets ascended with Herry II, the model for organizing a conquered territory for stable profitably became a thing. So it is part of the Brittish DNA to take something, add your own flourish and claim it as your own.
The Brits are the same flesh eating zombies with regard to Russia as those who ended up colonizing Ireland after 500 years of attempts (Henry II,
for example).

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 16 2025 20:30 utc | 185

Gavin Longmuir @168: “Will Zelensky crawl into the DC Swamp wearing his well-laundered green t-shirt, or will he wear a suit & tie?”
My bet is on platform stiletto heels (the poor little guy needs all the help he can get in the height department) and rubber (We’ve all seen his video, right?).

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2025 20:32 utc | 186

Why are sarcasm and irony so often lost on people nowadays ?
Posted by: Pierrot | Aug 16 2025 20:18 utc | 183
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Sarcasm doesn’t translate well to text, where microexpressions and tonality are not conveyed.
It sucks. I can barely dig into my rhetorical toolkit online.
Also, people are getting dumber and more emotional.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 20:38 utc | 187

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 16 2025 20:13 utc | 177
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I hope you’re not expecting a conversation stemming from your posts.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 16 2025 20:42 utc | 188

But … but … can some barfly explain, or b,
Can Shelensky ‘legally’ (Ukropian legislation) enter into a negotiation with Russia?
A. given he legislated that he couldn’t (afaik)
B. His term expired well over a year ago.
?????

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2025 20:45 utc | 189

The narrative “Russia = enemy! Russia = threat to America!” has been at least temporarily neutralized. That gives Trump some room to move.
Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 16 2025 14:27 utc | 27

Really completely… naive.
Result of OCS I presume.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 16 2025 20:45 utc | 190

frithguild | Aug 16 2025 19:02 utc | 158–
Thanks for your entire reply. Attempting to find credible understanding is important if we are to live in reality instead of spin/fantasy world. IMO, what Marc Sleboda had to say about Western Exceptionalism was extremely important, which came toward the end of his chat with Danny Haiphong that was preceded by the chat with Pepe Escobar I linked on the first comment page. The two hours spent are worth the time, as points I missed were discussed as well as new assessments.
To understand the genesis of US Imperialism, one needs to know European history going back to its font in West Asia as Hudson and a few others have examined. The Exceptionalism Sleboda remarks upon began there/then. Besides Hudson’s works, there are two works I suggest that are very helpful along with a host of others I could cite: Empire as a Way of Life by William Appleman Williams and The Devil Theory of War by Charles Beard–both show how the average American participated and benefitted from US Imperialism well prior to our current historical period.
Another point that needs to be made is provided at the very end of the Sleboda/Haiphong chat by a short clip from a FOX Newscast that portrays the utter desperation of US Imperialists (and their European counterparts) to keep control of the narrative.
I should mention that Pepe brings up a few important under the radar points. And here’s that link again.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 20:46 utc | 191

WHAT IF THE RUSSIANS HAD CONDUCTED THE COUP IN 2014.
In 2014 the United States (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine.
Many in Eastern Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government sent in the military to deal with the eastern rebels.
The media claimed, and still claims, that the U.S. backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they champion (vigorously support) a march to the Russian border.

WHAT IF THIS HAD HAPPENED IN 2014?
In 2014 Russia (aligned with a faction in the Ukrainian government) conducted a coup in Ukraine (to replace the Yanukovich government which was considered too pro-European).
Many in Western Ukraine rebelled against this coup-government.
A civil war began.
The coup-government claimed authority over all of Ukraine.
The coup-government called in the Russian military to deal with the western rebels.
Of course, to be consistent, the media claimed, and would still claim, that the Russian backed coup-government had a “right” to all of Ukraine and they would champion a march of the Russian military to the Polish border.

Posted by: the coup | Aug 16 2025 20:46 utc | 192

So no big surprises yet. No ceasefire (which Trump had said he would demand), no new sanctions (which Trump had more than hinted at), and a cordial meeting of two nuclear powers (for a change). I think just the fact they met is a great step forward. The only other thing I’ll say about the meeting, particularly as it concerns Trump is to give it 36-48 hours. Who knows if Medvedev or some lower functionary successfully trolls Trump into a Truth Social outburst and more sanctions.
Because I want to make sure someone answers a burning question I have, I’ll post it under a separate comment…

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 16 2025 20:50 utc | 193

B: There will be no ceasefire to freeze the conflict and there will be no sanctions. Both sides can count that as wins.
There is only one winner on the Ukrainian theater/field: no ceasefire, no sanction.
The win for Trump is about his candidacy to the nobel peace prize, nothing else. Everyone could see the flag: pursuing peace…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 16 2025 20:50 utc | 194

Alex Krainer you sob…dammit…I listened to him talking with Nima I think taped before the “summit”. Man it’s hard to argue with the things he says.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 16 2025 20:51 utc | 195

Esophagus | Aug 16 2025 20:15 utc | 180–
Thanks for your reply. Long ago I learned that this venue has its drawbacks and that longer dissertations are usually passed over or at one time were deleted. That’s why in 2020 I went to writing my longer pieces at VK then in 2023 went to substack. As for Rosatom’s abilities and scientific achievements, they’ve been presented/linked here when they occurred back in 2022 when Rosatom made its announcement. When it comes to its accomplishments, I’m merely the messenger as I am about many things. My aim has always been to provide information that both informs and enlightens. And since I’m human, I do err at times.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 20:55 utc | 196

Posted by: DunGroanin | Aug 16 2025 20:45 utc | 189
Any concession and he is terminated by his bandera friends.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 16 2025 21:02 utc | 197

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 16 2025 20:55 utc | 196
Salud Karl, a couple of articles, one in Kommersant about the reactor functioning alredy in Seversk, Tomskaya Oblast, in 2029 the closed cicle will be declared, when the burnt fuel that the reactor is burning now is fed back into it. So the progress is ongoing.
https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/5679793
https://dzen.ru/a/Y_-ZUSYQZDCocQkb

Posted by: Paco | Aug 16 2025 21:04 utc | 198

NPR is an organ of the Imperialist genocidal Democratic Party. Thus, it is a far right wing institution that seeks to convince chumps it is “leftist” by highlighting increasingly unhinged culture war politics while pushing for war and genocide across the globe to benefit the cretinous American billionaire.
Supporting Imperialist war, covering for genocide. These are as far right a politic as one can engage in. These are the crimes of Hitler for Christ sake!
@ Ahenobarbus | Aug 16 2025 18:25 utc | 138

Well said. Once upon a time in philosophical history, the terms “left” and “right” signified something meaningful. Today, amidst a war on coherent expression in the English language, those labels are so arbitrarily plastered hither and yon, their only use is as you’ve done: demonstrating the shallowness of “leftist” claims such as NPR’s.
In particular, people can’t warn me away from sound reasoning anymore, with the caution this or that speaker is from the wrong side. I’ll listen to what they have to say, and make up my own mind, dammit.
Colonial privilege has culminated in the precipices before USrael, contra RoW, such that one and only one vector represents both the spearpoint of ghastly oppression, and the potential for Leviathan to finally crumble: namely the death-cult called Zionism. Decent humans are called to anti-Zionism, to defend Life on Earth. Anti-Zionists are my brothers and sisters, Zionists the scourge of humanity. Literally all other political or geopolitical concerns pale in significance.
I wish RF would wake up and fully realize that USrael is the irremediable enemy, so I’m annoyed by the Anchorage Summit. As if it has ever done anyone any good to negotiate with Zionists. There’s no meeting halfway with Eretz Israel. Sooner or later, it must be stamped out, like a spent cigar butt.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 16 2025 21:05 utc | 199

And nothing will change….
Zelensky will come begging and demanding. Blumenthal continues to demand more sanctions (as if they actually worked). EU will not compromise a single bit and they demand Ukraine be put in NATO. Schumer denounced all this as betraying Ukraine. You might even see a bipartisan bill in the Senate to waste another 50 billion or so on Ukraine. So, No Deal.
On a more positive note, it is wonderful to hear about Ukraine advances on Russian lines. Let Them Be Encouraged to send as many Azov Nazis as they can find ! We already have a large measure of demilitarization that’s inevitable, now denazification can be achieved as well.
The question I keep asking is can Russia endure the total sacrifice of Ukraine? No deal, no agreement, no nothing ever. The collapse is endlessly promised and not (so far) delivered. Ukrainians still fight and waste their lives, even if they thin out to a few guys per kilometer. Any credible map shows huge areas still to be taken….

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 16 2025 21:11 utc | 200