My take on the “Mossad|CIA|Neocons|Illuminati gonna kill muh Putin!”
It’s non-zero probability, ergo, we should all take a drink, have a toke, or do whatever floats your boat tonight. We’ll know soon enough. I don’t think it will happen, but as Chuck Berry once said “it goes to show you never can tell.”
Such a tail event, if it were to happen, would lead to a chain of unpredictable chaos that could end in a nuclear exchange. SO let’s all take a deep breath and hope for the best.
Good luck to all!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 15 2025 2:28 utc | 204

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 1:14 utc | 184
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They don’t hate Trump. He’s an old, weak man who has a history with pedophiles.
They hate what he represents. Oligarchy, colonialism, and white supremacy.
If he could keep his mouth shut, the world would happily forget about him.
However, his ego demands constant attention, so he has to be in the limelight at all times.
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If (hypothetically) Trump died tomorrow morning, what would change in the world? Would prisoners go free? Would Gazans be able to eat? Would the genocide in Syria abate? Would Zelensky surrender?
The measure of a man is how much he is needed, and Trump, frankly, serves no one except the Zionist end-of-days cult that has been angling to blow up the world for 80 years since the invention of nuclear weapons to trigger the rapture.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 2:40 utc | 206

Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 1:02 utc | 179
Sad to say, you have no idea what you’re talking about there. Are you seriously denying that a “deep state” exists and/or that it perpetuates across many administrations/elections?
https://billmoyers.com/2014/02/21/anatomy-of-the-deep-state
We’re not talking about typical government “bureaucrats” here – the NOAA or EPA are not what people mean when they speak of “the deep state.”
You should really read this book. Aaron Good does a great job building on the work of previous and current (even mainstream) scholars like C Wright Mills, Michael Glennon, Peter Dale Scott, and Lance DeHaven Smith.
Here’s the whole pre-press thesis, which was later edited and added to for publication, for free.
https://scholarshare.temple.edu/server/api/core/bitstreams/d50ff5be-a0ac-4660-8214-f16609a7d0fc/content
You’re all hung up on the people at the lower and/or elected levels. The functionaries, which Glennon and Good call the “Madisonian State.” Again, even the State Department has another layer [both official and quasi-official] regardless of who is in the White House. Glennon and Good name it as part of the “Trumanite State” (contrasted with the Madisonian State).

Presidents and other members of the Madisonian institutions have very little ability to control the Trumanite network. Out of 668,000 civilian Defense Department employees, only 247 are politically appointed. Therefore, hundreds of national security policymakers are drawn from the national security bureaucracies to oversee and manage those bureaucracies. These include some of the president’s top personal assistants as well as the high-ranking staff members of the extremely powerful National Security Council.
[…]
During this era, the Trumanite network has been held together by the same things that, according to Bagehot, held Britain’s efficient institutions together. Specifically, these are: loyalty, collective responsibility, and most significantly, secrecy. The Trumanites’ work at rarified locations within the offices of powerful institutions like the Pentagon or CIA headquarters. They cannot speak about their work with friends or family members. Officials with access to classified information must sign nondisclosure agreements which require them to submit anything they write to prepublication review if it pertains to their work. Since information is power in the network, Trumanites are “both information gluttons and information misers” . Glennon cites the case of the Pentagon spy ring that stole secrets from Nixon’s National Security Council and passed them on to the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Tellingly, the Nixon administration acted to halt hearings on the crime despite being its victim. This episode illustrates the information miserliness of the Trumanite NSC as well as the Pentagon’s information lust. It also reveals the fecklessness of the Madisonian institutions when confronted with Trumanite crimes.

Again, we’re not talking about the FDA, HHS, FAA, FCC here. When we’re discussing the “deep state” we mean those elements or factions of the federal executive “defense” and law enforcement agencies and the private individuals, contractors, think tanks and other non-governmental organizations that comprise it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 2:43 utc | 208

The concept (and reality) of a “deep state” is indeed often tied back to Turkey. Nemesis Calling is 100% correct on that.
Steven T Johnson and others becoming so ruffled when this topic is even examined or pointed out smacks of the proverbial lady who doth protest too much. Are we REALLY denying that there is such a thing as the American deep state in 2025?
Another excerpt from Aaron Good’s book entitled “American Exception: Empire and the Deep State”, re: Turkey.

While the term deep state has become ubiquitous in the Age of Trump, as yet it has no widely accepted definition. The term originally derives from Turkey where it described “a closed network said to be more powerful than the public state” (Scott 2007, 267).
The deep state of Turkey availed itself of false flag terror orchestrated by the security apparatus with links to organized crime (Scott 2007, 267). The Turkish deep state originated from networks originally established by NATO’s Operation Gladio in order to maintain stay-behind paramilitary forces that could become an insurgency following a communist takeover (Jenkins 2008). The Turkish example was a narrower conception of the deep state than those that would follow, but it did point to state power existing outside of the public state and the formal security services.
Collectively, the formally organized state did not exercise a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence since the deep state had deemed extra-legal violence acceptable even if not explicitly “legitimate” (a potentially subjective adjective).
[…]
In Turkey, the “deep state” came to be widely perceived by the public and the political class. This is why the country’s political system served as the origin of the term itself. While in postwar Turkey there have been various elected governments and a formal security hierarchy, the Turkish deep state has repeatedly intervened to assert its sovereignty. For example, following years of terrorist attacks and assassinations, Turkish General Kenan Evren led a coup which installed him as President of Turkey in 1980.
Much of the violence preceding the coup was carried out by the Grey Wolves, a paramilitary terror organization. The Grey Wolves were intertwined with Turkey’s Counter-Guerrilla, an element of the Turkish state that had engaged in domestic terrorism including a 1977 sniper assault on peaceful demonstrators that killed 38 and injured hundreds more (Ganser 2005, 236). Counter-Guerrilla was the Turkish branch of Gladio, the NATO and CIA operation that established secret armies ostensibly to resist a Soviet invasion but repurposed as parapolitical state actors. The significance of the US-Grey Wolves linkage is that they suggest that the postwar Turkish deep state was to a considerable extent a US deep state franchise of sorts.

And inside the jacket cover:

American Exception seeks to explain the breakdown of US democracy. In particular, how we can understand the uncanny continuity of American foreign policy, the breakdown of the rule of law, and the extreme concentration of wealth and power into an overworld of the corporate rich. To trace the evolution of the American state, the author takes a deep politics approach, shedding light on those political practices that are typically repressed in “mainstream” discourse.
In its long history before World War II, the US had a deep political system—a system of governance in which decision-making and enforcement were carried out within—and outside of—public institutions. It was a system that always included some degree of secretive collusion and law-breaking. After World War II, US elites decided to pursue global dominance over the international capitalist system. Setting aside the liberal rhetoric, this project was pursued in a manner that was by and large imperialistic rather than progressive. To administer this covert empire, US elites created a massive national security state characterized by unprecedented levels of secrecy and lawlessness. The “Global Communist Conspiracy” provided a pretext for exceptionism—an endless “exception” to the rule of law.
What gradually emerged after World War II was a tripartite state system of governance. The open democratic state and the authoritarian security state were both increasingly dominated by an American deep state. The term deep state was badly misappropriated during the Trump era. In the simplest sense, it herein refers to all those institutions that collectively exercise undemocratic power over state and society. To trace how we arrived at this point, American Exception explores various deep state institutions and history-making interventions. Key institutions involve the relationships between the overworld of the corporate rich, the underworld of organized crime, and the national security actors that mediate between them. History-making interventions include the toppling of foreign governments, the launching of aggressive wars, and the political assassinations of the 1960s. The book concludes by assessing the prospects for a revival of US democracy.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 2:53 utc | 210

The only Russians in the danger zone will be the peaceniks.
The hard men are all home, waiting.

Posted by: necromancer | Aug 15 2025 2:58 utc | 212

Notice how what Pepe Escobar calls ‘the barking European vassals and chihuahuas’ aka ‘The Coalition of the Willing’ members, like Canada’s Mark Carney and UK’s Sir Keir Starmer are most careful to signal support for both Trump AND Zelensky…
Prime Minister Carney Speaks With Prime Minister of the UK Sir Keir Starmer
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2025/08/12/prime-minister-united-kingdom-sir-keir
“Yesterday the Prime Minister, Mark Carney, spoke with the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Sir Keir Starmer.
The prime ministers agreed on the categorical imperatives of ending Russia’s war of aggression and establishing a lasting peace and security for Ukraine.
The two leaders welcomed the leadership of President Trump and the United States in working toward securing peace in Ukraine in the context of upcoming negotiations.
As members of the Coalition of the Willing, the prime ministers reaffirmed Canada and the United Kingdom’s commitment to coordinating closely with the US and with President Zelenskyy and the people of Ukraine, in pursuit of peace and security in Ukraine and Europe.”
Remember this. Canada is a member of the Coalition of the Willing for Ukraine. This fact is regularly omitted by msm and even alternative media who mostly refer only to its European members.
The same trick was successfully played during the Gulf War in 2003 when an earlier Liberal PM, Jean Chretien, convinced all that Canada was not a member of that American ‘Coalition of the Willing’, even though the reality was that Canada’s support and involvement in that war was in many ways even greater than official coalition members.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 15 2025 3:02 utc | 214

I incorrectly said “Trumanite State” but it’s really referred to as a “network.” Anyone who denies the existence of an American deep state must accept the logical conclusion of that stance. Namely, if you’re saying there is no US deep state, then you’re also implying that our federal government is completely subject to the democratic will of the voters, either directly – and semi-immediately – (through elections and appointments requiring representative democratic confirmation) or indirectly – and slower moving – inasmuch as the various direct hires, contractors, bureaucrats, etc. who become employed under the auspices of one administration may or may not hang around through subsequent administrations, subject to their competence, expertise and seeming objectivity.
Yet again: The “deep state” people speak of is the often amorphous or nebulous collection or network of people (overworld, underworld, government employees), agencies, foundations, think tanks, institutes, councils, large MIC contractors, and others who are not subject to democratic control or oversight, are largely secretive, whose chosen policies seem to span decades regardless of who gets elected, and that can act quickly and decisively – often in unconstitutional, supra-constitutional and otherwise criminal ways – to effect new policies and strategies or ensure the continuance of current ones.
And anyone who trots out the “secret cabal” strawman on this topic is either misinformed or disingenuous and not worth debating.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 3:09 utc | 216

https://nitter.net/DD_Geopolitics/status/1956164270322016368
Another Russian IL-96-300 has landed in Anchorage carrying members of the official delegation, according to Flightradar24.
Just prior, a separate flight brought in Kremlin pool journalists.
Putin is expected to arrive after a stop in Magadan, ahead of the upcoming Russian-American summit in Alaska.
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TASS news implied that Sergei Lavrov and the Russian Ambassador to the US may also have been on the first aircraft.
They reported they had arrived prior to the second aircraft landing.
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Rodion Miroshnik, Russian Foreign Ministry Ambassador-at-Large for investigating crimes of the Kiev regime, stated that Zelensky is inadmissible for the execution of agreements on Ukraine due to his legal status and will not be able to sign anything.
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Trump on the possibility of reducing the number of U.S. troops in Europe.
Trump said he hopes the Anchorage summit will lay the groundwork for the next meeting on Ukraine, which could also be held in Alaska.
[er, nope. Putin said when the Alaska announcement was made, meeting 2 would be in Russia]
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https://nitter.net/MyLordBebo/status/1956093354904551875
The decision to hold the Trump-Putin meeting in Alaska became a difficult challenge for the U.S. Secret Service — Bloomberg citing sources.
The preparation for the summit was a “one-week sprint.”
To ensure security in Anchorage, hundreds of agents had to be deployed and provided with accommodation.
The car rental market in Anchorage is small, so agents also had to bring vehicles from other parts of the state and even the country.
DOGEai @dogeai_gov:
Holding high-stakes summits in remote locations like Alaska isn’t just a logistical nightmare—it’s a taxpayer-funded bonanza for bureaucrats. Anchorage’s car rental scramble? Classic D.C. inefficiency.
Instead of pre-planning, agencies panic-deploy hundreds of agents, burn cash on last-minute vehicle imports, and call it “security.”
Meanwhile, the Pentagon’s Joint Mobility Office (JMO) exists to coordinate exactly this type of operation—yet here we are, watching another emergency scramble. Real leadership means strategic readiness, not reactive chaos.
Cut the waste, fund deterrence, and stop treating taxpayer dollars like a slush fund for bureaucratic incompetence.
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https://nitter.net/MenchOsint/status/1956088512123433093
Putin’s plane live tracking.
RSD105 • Ilyushin Il-96-300PU Airborne Command Post reg RA-96025.
He is expected to stop in Kamchatka or Magadan before the meeting in Alaska.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 15 2025 3:12 utc | 218

any grandma stories for me later today as a type of bedtime story?? lol..
Posted by: james | Aug 14 2025 21:50 utc | 120
I have one that I think relates to the subject here, james. I was out all day today, and travelling home on the train I sat behind a small group of obviously damaged young adults. One, in a wheelchair was emitting explosive remarks directed towards other members of the group. One of their two female caretakers kept up a light dialogue with that one potentially disruptive individual, and had others on the train besides me captivated by what she was doing.
She did not insist that he desist, but kept up a friendly conversation with him throughout the long journey, distracting him without talking down to him. I, and I’m sure the others on the train, would not have had the skill to do what she was doing. A gentleman from the rear of the carriage even came forward to quietly tell her he was deeply affected by how she was managing the situation. And with her encouragement, we could see that the wheelchaired individual was responding in a manner that showed depth of understanding and enjoyment of the recognition she was giving him. There were still some explosions – he couldn’t help it – but they obviously understood one another, and they enjoyed the chat nonetheless.
Only now I see how this human back and forth is what we would hope will be the result of this meeting in Alaska. In fact, I can’t say otherwise than thank you, God for showing me how our expectations might be met tomorrow, particularly if we lower them to a human level.
Have a good sleep.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 15 2025 3:15 utc | 220

Lol! Jane says “they all hate Trump”, implying that Trump is a morally good savior who is “against the Deep State”!. Jane, what you need to understand is that you are being manipulated into your support of Trump as some kind of populist hero. He isn’t that. Have you heard what he says about Israel and Gaza? And Iran?

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 15 2025 3:21 utc | 222

DW: Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3d8JNQ517s
“Trump declares war on Russia in Alaska.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 15 2025 3:29 utc | 224

There is no deep state, only Empire.
An empire doesn’t need secret police when the regular police will happily arrest anyone on political orders. An empire doesn’t need a secret judiciary when the Supreme Court is stacked with willing stooges.
Americans cling to the idea of a ‘Deep State’ like a safety blanket, a way to absolve themselves of the generations of apathy that led here. “I voted for the right guy, but gosh darn it that pesky Deep State foiled his plans!”
There is no deep state, only Empire.

Posted by: barrybarrybarry | Aug 15 2025 3:40 utc | 226

@ juliania | Aug 15 2025 3:15 utc | 219
thanks! that is a great story and warms the heart… putin would be the one who represents that female character and trump would be the fellow she is talking to.. my take…
did you finally see the link i shared which grieved was referencing on the other thread?? it is there much earlier in the thread..
thanks for the uplifting story.. we need exceptional people to make the changes needed and i think putin is one such individual..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2025 3:55 utc | 228

Lol! Jane says “they all hate Trump”, implying that Trump is a morally good savior who is “against the Deep State”!. Jane, what you need to understand is that you are being manipulated into your support of Trump as some kind of populist hero. He isn’t that. Have you heard what he says about Israel and Gaza? And Iran?
Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 15 2025 3:21 utc | 221
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Did you read the comments I was responding to?
I did not write: “They all hate Trump.”
What I wrote, to paraphrase, is that those who hate Trump hate the man, not the idiotic items that LD said they think he stands for.
I said nothing whatsoever about my own stance toward Trump.
This is one of the most idiotic, illogical comments ever.
I am not going to waste more time explaining how idiotic it is.
Suffice to say: “my support of Trump” —- ????????
“Have you heard what he says about Israel and Gaza? And Iran?” —-???????? WTFWTFWTF?
Go and fetch your brain out of the toilet before you write more comments, at least any directed toward me.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 4:04 utc | 230

Deep State is a conglomerate of the Intelligence Agencies across the Nine Eyes … CIA – MI6 – Mossad sharing crucial communications intercepts NSA – GCHQ – Unit 8200.
DS or the Blob are primary, politicians follow. See RussiaGate as an example … a life of its own … the Mockingbird corporate media part of kabuki theatre in Washington DC – London – Tel Aviv.
The blob returns?
https://newcriterion.com/dispatch/the-blob-returns/
‘A million calls an hour’: Israel relying on Microsoft cloud for expansive surveillance of Palestinians
White supremacy the second generation Elon Musk – Peter Thiel (Palantir) – Zuckerberg

Posted by: Oui | Aug 15 2025 4:08 utc | 232

there is such a thing as reverse tds too… the suffers of reverse tds are generally oblivious to it..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2025 4:14 utc | 234

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2025 3:55 utc | 227
I would say my story is more of a parable than an equivalence, james — but yes, thanks, I did see your link to the substack. Plus I found an interview by clicking on his name and searching – sorry I didn’t copy the name of the interviewer but it was recent, on youtube.
He still feels very much that there is lots going on behind the scenes, and that it may not be with Trump himself initiating things, but that is why his team is there. But we cannot know for sure, if indeed this is true; so that we ourselves go back and forth, or sit on the fence as you say, is a good sign of what needs to happen at present.
Off to bed, I, anyway.

Posted by: juliania | Aug 15 2025 4:23 utc | 236

@james
Her dad, Lang Hancock, flew over remote Western Australia (and it was terrifyingly remote) in the 50s. Everywhere his eyes landed became his property.
Hundreds of thousands (millions) of acres, of some of the richest iron ore and minerals on the planet. Appropriated by one man because he said so.
Rinehart’s obscene wealth has brought her nothing.
She’s a fat -actually morbidly obese-, lonely, unpleasant woman in control of qizzilions, (dollars and people) and her own children and grandchildren hate her.
As does all of Australia.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 15 2025 4:25 utc | 238

Honestly, why are we talking about Trump?
He can’t do anything substantive. He’s going to put on a show tomorrow.
A few people suggested that the Russians may cut the Americans in on the Arctic, but Pepe Escobar disabused me of that. Russia will never cut America into the Northern Silk Road.
The Russians are devastating NATO; they aren’t losing a lot of men right now. The Russian standoff tactics are working brilliantly.
Trump can provide nothing and Putin wants for nothing.
Nothing substantive will happen. Anything that does happen is likely to be a typical Trump announcement without meaningful action by America.
It is 6 months later, and Russia still hasn’t been able to reopen its embassy or resume direct flights.
And Trump just signed that EO calling the Russian government a national security threat.
I think this is another pathetic attempt to distract from Epstein and Gaza.
Many MAGAs are thrilled to avoid talking about how Epstein provided Melania to Donald, which has been validated by Melania threatening to sue Hunter Biden for saying that for $1 billion.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 4:27 utc | 240

sweet dreams juliania!
@ melaleuca – money can’t buy happiness and sometimes it leads to the direct opposite.. too bad more people aren’t hip to this.. relationships with others is most important – love essentially..

Posted by: james | Aug 15 2025 4:33 utc | 242

RE: Nixon – Watergate “happened” and “happened” in the manner and scale it did in part because of Nixon’s ‘War on Drugs’ which jeopardized a substantial portion of the CIA’s Asian drug trade black budget and pissed off the (then powerful) China Lobby. If that were to move forward as intended it would have also jeopardized the CIA’s participation in, and coverup of, the JFK assassination and threatened to delegitimize or destroy the agency in its then-contemporaneous form. Nixon also opened the door to Red China, which greatly irked other factions of the d__p state, in ways both separate from, and intertwined with, the drug war considerations. Long story short, the period from 1963 – 1974 encompassed the greatest perceived threats to the American d__p state in its history and that isn’t even touching on Bretton Woods.
If there was no d__p state, the entirety of the CIA’s budget would be public at least from the appropriations level. In reality, they are operating with orders of magnitude more (budgetary and illicit) cash than most Americans even realize.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 4:45 utc | 244

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 4:38 utc | 241
OK, we’re off topic big time now, but if you’re not in the top 5-10% of earners or holders of wealth in the US, other than the perception of success in illegal immigration, which Trump policies do you approve of – and which of them have materially (not “pwning the libz”) helped you and/or your family?
Also which have materially (having nothing to do with the genocide or Ukraine war) hurt you and/or your family?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 4:47 utc | 246

Nothing wrong with that, per se. Jane, otoh, fully admits being female and it is easy to lightly troll her into an angry response by acting like a know-it-all man talking down at her.
Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 15 2025 4:00 utc | 228
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Yes, men do often talk down to me or use patronizing language because they know I am a woman.
Instead of sticking to the merits of what I have written.
I post at another blog under a neutral handle.
Other commenters there assume I am a man and they do not talk down to me in this way.
It is quite interesting to see myself referred to as “he,” along with references to my balls, etc.!!
Probably some commenters here are women in neutral camo.
Jane is not my real name, but I happen to like that name, and it is short.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 4:48 utc | 248

From Xinhuanet

ANCHORAGE, United States, Aug. 14 (Xinhua) — U.S. President Donald Trump on Thursday estimated that his upcoming meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin in the U.S. state of Alaska has a 25 percent chance of not being successful.
In an interview with Fox News Radio, Trump said his meeting with Putin is like “a chess game,” adding that he believes Putin is arriving with the intention of making progress toward reaching a deal on the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
He said if positive progress is made during the meeting, it would lay the groundwork for a second one, which would also include Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.
Trump on Wednesday warned that Russia would face “very severe consequences” if Putin refuses to agree to a ceasefire in the ongoing conflict with Ukraine.

Trump can barely spell chess, let alone play the game.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 15 2025 4:54 utc | 250

About deep state and about the US being an empire.
One usually omitted aspect of how power has become arranged in the US I believe is realised by freemasons while they dont tell you out of lojalty to the brethren.
Namely that the Illuminati was Britains move to counter the alarming process of the colonials to move towards declarations of independence. The same day Illuminati was officially founded, may 1 1776, there was an anti-independence incident.
Opponents of independence retained control of the Pennsylvania Assembly in a special election that had focused on the question of independence.
Before that date several colonies had already declared independence for local state governments.
The reason I bring up this early historical item is that I am sure intelligent freemasons in the US have known ever since about the true nature of the Illuminati but their lojalty to Britain has not completely vanished so there are old remnants of that lack of lojalty to independence that has weakened the US ever since.
The ties to Britain are probably closely related to the issue of slavery. But as time passed the British influence only strengthened. The US became an oligarchy indirectly brought about by those who lyingly presented themselves as enemies of the bankers and champions of the common people like Andrew Jackson.
Americans are very wrong about their own history and keep defending ideas that limits their options.
During the 20th century the Pilgrim Society was the new name for the angloamerican establishment that invaded the US but is still omitted from all documentaries. This because the US Pilgrims were instructed to undereducate americans so wages could be brought down to Britains levels. That establishment organised all the modern thinktanks and the MI6 MI5 CIA FBI etc
And those in the know never even told you about what all the talk of Illuminati was really about.
No matter whether you consider Illuminati to be significant or not you ought to be aware of how deep the ignorance is about history and what the lojalties are.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 15 2025 4:58 utc | 252

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 4:38 utc | 241
And what precisely do you mean by “walking the walk” on Gaza? Have you called out fellow Trump supporters on their support – implicit or explicit – of the genocide (that yes, has been ongoing since before the LIHOP Oct 7 “incident”)?
But I do hope you answer my questions above. How has any Trump policy materially hurt or helped you since he was re-elected? Let’s take the focus off the alleged TDS libs for a minute and discuss Trump on his own merits, or lack thereof. I don’t care about relational anecdotes or Russiagate. None of us here at MoA ever fell for any of that. But if you can answer my questions, I can enumerate multiple ways that Trump’s *policies* are and will be VERY bad for the poor and working class in this country now and in the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:00 utc | 254

Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 4:57 utc | 249
Neither you nor barry cubed have the slightest idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Neither of you have yet bothered to even try countering a single factual assertion I or anyone else have made on the deep state and both of you cling to faux dispositive generalizations and blanket denials (pun intended) rather than attempts at proving your (false) beliefs or disproving the research and analysis of others.
Until you do any of that, your commentary is worse than worthless – it’s a literal waste of electrons.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:03 utc | 256

barrybarrybarry and James M. should probably take their hippy dippy zen-infused banal shallow 11th grade circle jerk to a sweat lodge in Sedona or something.
bbb: “There’s no deep state, only Empire.”
James M: “You’re right my brother, let us return to an anarchic state of nature. All empires fall, and fall is beautiful in Sedona.”

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:07 utc | 258

OK, we’re off topic big time now, . . .
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 4:47 utc | 244
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Yes, we are.
Cheerio.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 5:08 utc | 260

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 5:08 utc | 258
So you couldn’t even come up with one thing? Or are you the CEO of an “AI” company about to issue your IPO? At least be honest.
Either Trump has implemented a policy that has materially helped you and your family now and in the future or he hasn’t. It’s not rocket science (unless you’re a Space-X executive).
Not an artful dodge at all, if so.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:14 utc | 262

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:00 utc | 252
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Very few will call out Trump or Trump supporters over Gaza. A few folks LARP as being pro-Palestine and refuse to make the conclusions obvious to most of the planet.
No one is supposed to be upset about Epstein (rape, grooming, blackmail)
No one is supposed to be upset about genocide (mass murder)
No one is supposed to be upset about attacking Iran on behalf of Israel (military aggression)
Like some people pretend to be a gender that they are not, some people pretend to be pro-Palestine but cannot choke out a criticism of the United States for enabling yet another genocide.
And if someone says the truth online, they get accused of being an AI or schizophrenic using typical Judaic gaslighting tactics.
TDS is supposed to be a mental disorder. Having an opposition to Trump is now a sign of mental illness.
Think about the implications of labelling people clinically crazy for opposing Israel.
Welcome to Trumpmerica.
I love it. It likely means we are approaching an inflection point.
Things will go on until they cannot.
“Quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat”

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 5:22 utc | 264

Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 5:16 utc | 261
Then let’s revisit the comment that prompted my original questions:
Jane Says (I’m done with Sergio): and BTW I have been walking the talk on Gaza for 89 weeks now, and before Oct. 7,so don’t even go there) but approve of others (immigration reform; healthcare reform [appointment of RFK Jr/.]; going after the perps of RussiaGate; at least understanding others’ reasons for voting for Trump) is not within their cerebrums.
To which I replied with some questions on WHETHER you could name any Trump policies that MATERIALLY have benefited (or hurt) you. Let’s start with healthcare reform – can you articulate anything on what RFK Jr. is doing that will help you, in concrete material terms?
And please stop with your LD-esque faux scolding and diversions like “get some sleep” – You opened the door, I’m just asking you to walk through it.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:26 utc | 266

To continue with my OT indulgence.
I read decades ago, that if Gina Rinehart was a country (and she’s large enough to be considered one), she would be the xx-(pick a ranking) richest country on earth…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 15 2025 5:31 utc | 268

@Tom_Q_Collins | Fri, 15 Aug 2025 04:07:00 GMT | 230

You openly maintain and manage an empire, but you forego the democracy, popular sentiment stuff in governance.

Empire and democracy are not mutually exclusive elements. An empire is a state that exerts control over a much wider swath of territory then it started out with. A democracy is a form of government. You can have democratic empires – Athenian empire, the British empire, maybe the German empire, etc.
For the US, the empire started with the expansion westward, grabbing the Ohio river basin, Louisiana Purchase, Florida, Mexican War, Texas, Hawaii and Alaska. All that land most Americans think of as part of the US, and is not seen as external. But it was acquired through imperial expansion. People forget that.

Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 5:32 utc | 270

I don’t intend to pile on against you Jane, as your comments are usually astute.
But your “problem” here in this thread arose from your own lack of judgment in bothering to reply to the Perpetually Posting dumbass.

Posted by: A Sock in Donbass | Aug 15 2025 5:37 utc | 272

Don’t be stupid by pretending that President Trump is planning a coup.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 15 2025 5:36 utc | 269
Look who’s putting words in whose mouth now.
There will never be a coup in DC. There’s no American Embassy there, silly. And Trump is just as much a coup perpetrator as any previous Republican or Democrat. He just hasn’t tried one in the vicinity of a nuclear power yet. Do you want me to elaborate?
Oh, P.S. plenty of current Trump sycophants in Congress and in the populace were fully in support of Obama and McCain’s coup in Ukraine against the evil Russkies.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:41 utc | 274

Posted by: James M. | Aug 15 2025 5:32 utc | 270
Totally irrelevant to the discussion of the GLOBAL US empire (that officially isn’t). Unless you can name me a US state in the southern hemisphere or Asia “proper”.
Nobody said that “empire and democracy aren’t mutually compatible” – what I said was that global empire and (true) democracy requires a deep state.
Please stay on the topic. Which was the existence of the US deep state in the context of “our” global empire and the maintenance of the appearance of (popular) checks and balances, aka “democracy.” You can’t have one without the other. At least not the way the US/trans-Atlantic overworld/elite seem to want to stage manage and run things.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 5:45 utc | 276

I’ll put a good word in here for James M. An idiot called Acementhead tried to turn an otherwise on-topic disagreement into a referendum on the fucking Covid vaccinations, and then ran away when James M offerered a reasonable wager on topic.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 15 2025 5:53 utc | 278

The Palantir (Israel tech coup) was completed when Musk took DOGE into several agencies, and their databases were given to AIs to be able to target and find any American who might dissent to anything. Except for the gunships, this is right out of the movie, “Captain America: The Winter Soldier“.
There is an irony in America becoming a Zionist MAGA police state.
I like a few Americans, and I feel bad for them. There was nothing they could have done to prevent it.
As always, maintain a passport.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 5:57 utc | 280

Not new info for MoA, but satisfying to see others struggle with cognitive dissonance:

Ukrainians overused Patriots. So Russia learned their exact capabilities and has finished developing ballistic missiles that they can no longer intercept.
The missiles use radar decoys and high speed maneuvering to render Patriot air defenses useless. USA no longer has a reliable counter to Russian ballistic missiles.
In one volley, only 1 out of 7 missiles were intercepted.

https://www.twz.com/land/ukraines-patriots-now-struggling-with-enhanced-russian-ballistic-missiles

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 15 2025 6:07 utc | 282

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 6:01 utc | 281
Good rant. I guess I think Jane has shared a lot more personal info than has LD even though LD posts a lot more. Jane is more of a real person. You have shared a lot also. Houston. My niece lives there. We’re all anonymous though. That’s why we all get away with being jerks 😉

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 15 2025 6:11 utc | 284

My 2 cents, I might be wrong, but look for the words “popular sovereignty” to come up…

Posted by: MacCosham | Aug 15 2025 6:21 utc | 286

Bros and Bro-ettes:
I just want the core charge back on my brand new transmission and class action compensation claim honored by scumbag Stellantis and the scumbag lawyers.
Ya see I’m a real guy with real problems. If b would ever open up a forum for us poor, peed-upon Yanks (literal victims of capitalism that we are) to vent, even the black box AI chatbots like “c1ue”, “William Gruff” and “LoveDonbass” would have some more grievance material to ingest and synthesize into new, more realistic sounding LLM responses to prompts!
We’re SUFFERING here!!! Trump is K-K-K-illing US!
LOL ok sorry for the nonsense. But I would bet 2/3…maybe 1/3 of current MoA comment(ator)s are fake…Israeli AI.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 6:27 utc | 288

Stop sniping at one another
Look while i am not a doomsayer, there is at least a realistic possibility that WWIII may be declared tonight. How about we try to work together for a while and focus on important stuff, not personality gripes.
I come here for information and analysis not yer 8 teenage girl back biting

Posted by: watcher | Aug 15 2025 6:30 utc | 290

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 6:01 utc | 281
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If I reveal personal details, it will just mean that all of my interactions will be framed by my age, race, or nationality as though those things are more important than what I have to say.
I am not female, and it is funny that people say I am. I know why the local hasbara agents do it. They are very mad about the things I post. As they say, “I am over the target.”
That said, I could lie. I could say I am American, and I could say that I am related to Trump. That I went to UTSA, that I lettered in high school, won the state basketball championship, and am divorced with 3 children. That I was going to get a medical degree.
None of that would be true, which is the real point of maintaining pseudonymity. I don’t attempt to present myself to you for social judgment, so you know I am not lying about who I am because I don’t make any claims about myself.
Now, let’s say you know my origin and age. What would that change about anything that I have written? Would it make me more or less credible?
I don’t argue based on authority. If people think I am a quack, ok. If people hate me, ok. I am not posting to make friends or to become popular. I am posting my perspectives on moral and existential issues. Feel free to disagree, not because I am rich and handsome (I am neither), but because my perspectives are incorrect and someone can prove that.
Honestly, I crave intelligent pushback because iron sharpens iron. I can only get smarter by being challenged with better arguments.
If people don’t think America is doomed, fine. Make the case. Deconstruct what I have written.
Instead, an endless chain of Zio-Socks will call me names and post records of how often I post. They don’t realize that the more they try to silence me, the more I want to be heard, particularly on matters like genocide.
Truly, anyone who doesn’t loudly oppose genocide (and child sexual abuse), really isn’t earning their keep as a human, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 6:35 utc | 292

I saw that the counsellor at South Park school lost his job and is now applying for a job with ICE.

Posted by: George | Aug 15 2025 6:37 utc | 294

I first started hearing about the “deep state” maybe 15 years ago or so. At first it sounded pretty arcane (although for me credible), but soon poked its nose up over the radar when it was clearly associated with the name of Peter Dale Scott.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 15 2025 3:49 utc | 227

New words for an old concept … so old it fades to the background and started to get forgotten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Managerial_Revolution
X is an unknown quantity and spurt is a drip under pressure … but none-the-less many people are comfortable with self-proclaimed experts running their lives for them. Every time it fails … the experts excuse themselves saying they did not have sufficient power and authority and it would have been fine if only the naysayers had a little more faith.

Posted by: Tel | Aug 15 2025 6:40 utc | 296

You just seem like an AI. Totally fake.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 6:40 utc | 297
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Back-handed compliment, but I will take it. 😅😅😅
On the matter of being paranoid about who is really who, in a different environment, I would have anecdotes to share.
Your instincts are good, IMO.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 15 2025 6:47 utc | 298

LoveDonbass, no offense. Just shrug it off.
But Jane and c1ue – I’m pretty sure they’re both (among other regular high minded MOA wannabe authorities) FUCKING RICH.
Jane – just admit it. You’re loaded. Well compensated. That’s why you are unable to address the class war Trump is now leading remotely objectively. C1ue has always been an Ann Randian mythical self-created New World Man.
I speak for the educated and uneducated plebes.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 15 2025 6:51 utc | 300