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August 24, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-193
News & views related to the war in Palestine …
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USraeli Genocide: Day 689 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 25 2025 4:30 utc | 101 Holy Shit! Posted by: Giyane | Aug 25 2025 4:42 utc | 102 More “collateral damage” from a U.S. protest over Gaza:
God damn the fucking motherfucking Egyptians here. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 5:00 utc | 103 God damn them! Enough of the blaming “white people” for what’s happening in Gaza! Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104
Threads of prophecy begin to draw together. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 25 2025 5:52 utc | 105 Only the Shi’a Muslim Ummah from Yemen to Iran is left standing as the last bastion between Satanic Judeo-Christianity and the rest of the world. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 25 2025 5:57 utc | 106 The Crusades, white people. The Inquisition? White people. The holocaust? White people. Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 5:59 utc | 107 What about the islamic invasion of Europe? Those people were not white. What about the arab slave trade? And so on… Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:18 utc | 108 So riddle us this, Dumbass: Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:27 utc | 109 Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 5:59 utc | 107 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:28 utc | 110 see the 4:54 video at the first link Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 6:40 utc | 111 Yes, the Yemenis are the only Arabs in the vicinity who have done a damn thing (and much more than that) to aid their Palestinian neighbors. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:48 utc | 112 I think there’s an inherent corruption in Arabic cultures that’s responsible for this. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 6:54 utc | 113 So you don’t think there’s any variation among Earth cultures? That some don’t have different levels of corruption? You actually believe that all cultures are inherently equal? Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:10 utc | 114 Do you mean when Muslims brought civilization (math, poetry, and handwashing) to Pagan serfs? Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:13 utc | 115 Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:13 utc | 115 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:18 utc | 116 israel is the most racist, lying, predatory, conniving, thieving nation-state on the face of the Earth. all their cities and especially their illegal settler-communities in the West Bank deserve to be bull-dozed and flattened Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 7:19 utc | 117 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:48 utc | 112 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 7:19 utc | 118 Islam had rights for slaves and rights for women hundreds of years before Europeans. Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:20 utc | 119 Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel? Examines that very question. Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:23 utc | 120 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:18 utc | 116 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 7:24 utc | 121 I’ll have to check my Qur’an (I do have a copy), but it seems to me that so far as women’s rights go, they’re honored mostly in the breach in most Islamic countries. One thing in theory, quite another in practice. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:27 utc | 122 Dumbass: Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:28 utc | 123 I’ve confessed to fellow barflies my philosophically disorienting astonishment as I discover more about “Rabbinic” or “Talmudic” Judaism. In response, a couple of you shared references to the great scholar and activist Israel Shahak, including Ron Unz’s account of how Shahak’s little books changed his thinking:
Review of “Passovers of Blood” by Ariel Toaff Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 7:31 utc | 124 In any case, how would you you explain… Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 7:44 utc | 125 https://x.com/Swiftor/status/1959639094121693693 Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 8:12 utc | 126 It’s not the Maori settling other nations Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 10:31 utc | 127 Another Al Jazeera Journalist Among 14 Palestinians in Israel [Double-Tap] Strike on Southern Gaza Hospital> Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 10:40 utc | 128 sorry for inadvertently bolded entire post above…More: Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 11:16 utc | 129 Doctor at Nasser Medical Complex Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 11:39 utc | 130 @malenkov | Aug 25 2025 2:51 utc | 96 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 25 2025 12:28 utc | 131 “israel is the most racist, lying, predatory, conniving, thieving nation-state on the face of the Earth.” Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 25 2025 12:35 utc | 132 I”t’s not the Maori settling other nations” Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 12:37 utc | 133
When I saw the comment above, I was struck by how similar it sounded to what have been heard and recorded in Palestine.
This is how George the Zeroth thinks: If Zionists don’t eradicate the Palestinian people, someone else will. Do you think the Palestinians are more angelic, holier than Zionists? The Palestinians would have colonized, oppressed and exploited Zionists if a historical accident favored the Palestinians. Zionists are not racists because Zionists believe that everyone else is just as depraved as they are. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:53 utc | 134 Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 12:37 utc | 133 Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 135
Just peeked up and saw George the Zeroth’s fellow white supremacist, canuk, lending George a helping hand. This is MoA now: a hangout for fascists. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136 Quick note:Russians evacuating their diplomats from genocidal entity. Americans moving troops from El Anbar Iraq to Erbil, bordeing Iran ( yes Hala Jaber claims it is a scheduled retreat from Iraq, just moved earlier). Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 13:10 utc | 137 Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136 Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 13:20 utc | 138 Yet another IDF airstrike on Nasser Hospital, I have lost count on how IDF airstrikes have been targeted on Gaza Hospitals since October 7th. Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 25 2025 13:27 utc | 139 Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136 Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 13:33 utc | 140 Israel is going berserk in its latest killing spree. They must have taken Trump’s advice to “get it done quickly”. Someone mentioned above about the two brothers in NY who were beaten by Egyptian security at the Egyptian embassy. The BOYS were arrested for assault, despite the fact that the incident was filmed through the glass doors, and clearly the guards were chain-choking and beating the helpless boys.
The Palestinians who “disappeared” from the aid sites were taken to prisons or killed. Testimony from teenagers abducted and taken to prison; this is not the entire article:
Other news (sources under each quote):
Posted by: teri | Aug 25 2025 13:39 utc | 141 Journalists assassinated/martyred Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 13:45 utc | 142 “I am my own individual and I’ve stated documented facts of Māori history.” Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 13:49 utc | 143 “Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.” Posted by: Noirette | Aug 25 2025 13:52 utc | 144 The strike on the hospital Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:02 utc | 145 Re expulsion of the Jews: I found a site that catalogued 1030 expulsions at the granular level from nations and districts and cities, most of them from Europe but also China and Peru. Catholic polities have a long history of conflict with the Jews. Zionism has no place in Catholicism. Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 14:14 utc | 146 A 5th journalist assassinated/martyred Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:16 utc | 147 The Duran Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 14:16 utc | 148 “The enemy army offers ready-made justifications after every crime exposed by journalists’ cameras: Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:29 utc | 149 CNN: Will Diplomatic Pressure Change Israel’s Plans in the West Bank? Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 14:43 utc | 150 The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.. . .
============== Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151 “Do “take” your [LoveDumbass] further “Genocide Jane” shit flinging to the Open Thread where you can enjoy it in masturbatory solitude.” Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 14:54 utc | 152 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 14:56 utc | 153 The Māori were notorious slavers. Their destruction of the Motai people is well documented. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:05 utc | 154 osted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 155 Trubind1 #35. Re Ruskies, Alistair Cooke in an interview w/ I think the Judge (can’t find the link right now, but will keep looking if anyone cares) noted that the Ruskie Minister of Finance who accompanied Putin to Alaska (Kiril somebody) is a former Goldman Sacks (or is it sucks?) fellah. Alistair is all happy because now the Ruskies and Trumpstein may be able to jointly plunder the Arctic. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 156 Via Journalist Ayman Hanideq Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 157 Re expulsion of the native americans by settlers, there were some 30,000 natives in present day Kansas, an area of 80,000 square miles. Before the Europeans arrived they had no domesticated animal except the dog, no written language, no metallurgy, no compass, and so on. And no Gospel. The natives were a stone age people confronted by a more developed European in every way. The arrival of Europeans was beneficial. Kansas tribes were constantly at war with each other. Many willingly embraced the advanced culture of they settlers. Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 15:10 utc | 158 Israel is going berserk in its latest killing spree. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:14 utc | 159 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:05 utc | 154 Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 15:15 utc | 160 Let us recall that according to some, up to one million of the Izzynazis currently exterminating Palestininans are dual Ruskie-Izzy “citizens.” . . . Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:20 utc | 161 Voice of Gaza Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 15:24 utc | 162 LoveDonbass 153 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:33 utc | 163 Re expulsion of the Jews: I found a site that catalogued 1030 expulsions Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2025 15:40 utc | 164 R2R with Dimitri Lascaris Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 15:51 utc | 165 ” At least 2 other journalists, including one from the international news agency Reuters, were killed…” Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 25 2025 16:42 utc | 166 Re 164 and the 1030 expulsions of the Jews: the site was not a Jewish site. It was a compilation by historians. The 1030 expulsions catalogued the granular details about expulsions cited from historical works. Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 16:43 utc | 167 Whitey came along to take out the bad guys, again with “democracy”. Yeah, sure.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 16:54 utc | 168 “the site was not a Jewish site.” Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2025 16:55 utc | 169 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151 Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 17:10 utc | 170 Re 169. No, the list of 1,030 expulsions is written in such a way as to present the details of an enormous rap sheet. There is nothing exculpatory in it. Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 17:12 utc | 171 Let’s just wrap this up, hopefully for good: Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 17:41 utc | 172 This is how George the Zeroth thinks: If Zionists don’t eradicate the Palestinian people, someone else will. Do you think the Palestinians are more angelic, holier than Zionists? The Palestinians would have colonized, oppressed and exploited Zionists if a historical accident favored the Palestinians. Zionists are not racists because Zionists believe that everyone else is just as depraved as they are. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 18:54 utc | 173 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174 I do not understand the problem with conceding that the US was built by the conquest of the land, usually driving out the previous inhabitants, many of whom disappeared, either directly killed or from loss of habitat. The essence of bourgeois democracy is class collaboration, a compact where the propertied classes are guaranteed their property no matter what, while the lower classes are consulted in elections that choose which faction of the ruling class operates the state machinery for its term. The thing is, what is the project the classes collaborate on? First, the preservation of the state. Second, conquest. Bourgeois democracy pretends is “Us” vs. “Them.” Historically the more dire the need of the rulers for manpower, the more powerful the masses were. The very notion of a peaceful state is either an empire that wishes its empire to be preserved without threat of war from outsiders, or a superficial concession to the sentiments of the masses (especially socialist parties.) Unlike the bourgeoisie, the workers have no real, existential interest in conquest. Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 25 2025 19:14 utc | 175 The thing about the US expansion was that it was two different modes of production. The settler mode of production, agriculture etc. was superior in the only sense one society is superior to another, namely, more energy and matter appropriated from nature and turned to human uses. (By the way, some indigenous Americans did assimilate to US society on an individual basis, hence the many families claiming some fraction of Indian ancestry.) Technological superiority is the only superiority one culture can have over another. All peoples are basically equal in intelligence, complexity of culture, expressiveness of language, value as humans. Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 25 2025 19:27 utc | 176 Some more on the intentional murder of journalists and medical staff at Nasser Hospital this morning.
Jeremy Scahill is a great writer and American journalist. He has been covering Gaza on his (fairly) new website, Drop Site News. He has spoken out today about Israel and the killing of witnesses:
Trump is upset that the IDF has not finished the job, so now he is saying that the “war” will be over in 2 or 3 weeks. He says “people” are dying, but declines to mention who exactly is doing the killing and who is being killed. This morning, I heard some of Trump’s remarks on sending armed National Guards and other troops into Chicago as the next breaking of the posse comitatus law. He said, and I quote, “Everyone knows Chicago is the Killing Fields.” He is comparing an American city to the slaughter of millions of Cambodians under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, whom we, um, “inadvertently” helped. I can’t believe the shit that comes out of this fool’s mouth. He knows nothing about anything, but never shuts up.
Posted by: teri | Aug 25 2025 19:30 utc | 177 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:38 utc | 178 My earlier point—that it could as easily have been dark-skinned folks who oppressed the rest of the world—was simply an overarching observation about human history in general, from a man-from-Mars point of view; it does not apply to the present situation in Gaza/West Bank, etc. No equivocation there on my part. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:44 utc | 179 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:47 utc | 180 Arabs Posted by: pepe | Aug 25 2025 19:58 utc | 181 My earlier point—that it could as easily have been dark-skinned folks who oppressed the rest of the world—was simply an overarching observation about human history in general, from a man-from-Mars point of view; it does not apply to the present situation in Gaza/West Bank, etc. No equivocation there on my part. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182 In other words, in case you missed the underlying idea: people are people. Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:09 utc | 184 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 20:18 utc | 185 @182 George Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 20:20 utc | 186 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 21:07 utc | 187 Seems that Bahrain and UAE military bases are evacuated of personnel, all the weapons and AD sent to genocidals. Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 21:12 utc | 188 Look at the power of the bombs Israel is dropping on Yemen (in civilian areas no less) : Posted by: bored | Aug 25 2025 21:14 utc | 189 LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 20:18 utc | 185 Posted by: swiss | Aug 25 2025 21:15 utc | 190 Re 182: it is true that the line between good and evil runs through the center of every human heart – Solzhenitsyn Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 21:30 utc | 191 Zionists underground manufacturing weapons
image Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 21:51 utc | 192 Really have not so much time, thus appreciate Ornot, Michael, Arch, JB, Gilberts … Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:02 utc | 193 The Cradle: Ep 107 Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 194 Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:33 utc | 163 Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 195 Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 195 Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 22:30 utc | 196 @Ornot | Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:20:00 GMT | 186
Indeed. I posit that those two positions do not generally resolve, but represent two pure cases of a usually more complex and nuanced situation. FWIW, I’ve always thought that the association of these in the form of political ideologies of “left and right” is one of the more helpful attempts at illustration of the two cultures. Posted by: persiflo | Aug 25 2025 22:46 utc | 197 I did not write this, nor have I implied it in anything that I have written. Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 25 2025 23:04 utc | 198 JN: Scott Ritter Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 23:23 utc | 199 That said, you should let your good contributions speak for themselves, and consider not getting so wrapped up defending yourself against LD’s (and other’s) strawman attacks on your character. LD is successfully trolling you. I do appreciate your comebacks, but at some point one should just let the strawman attacks slide like “water off a duck’s back”. Easier said than done, I know. Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 23:35 utc | 200 |
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