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August 24, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-193

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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USraeli Genocide: Day 689
https://www.palestinechronicle.com/live-blog-israel-imposed-famine-kills-more-gazans-while-tel-aviv-bombs-yemen-day-689/
“Israel imposed famine kills more Gazams while Tel Aviv bombs Yemen.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 25 2025 4:30 utc | 101

Holy Shit!
I’ve just realised the Pagan Temple the Yanks want to build in Israel for the JAWS is in penance for their destruction of the indigenous Pagans of the US.
I don’t know which is the worser, your egos or your horrible psychoses.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 25 2025 4:42 utc | 102

More “collateral damage” from a U.S. protest over Gaza:
EGYPTIAN OFFICIALS IN NEW YORK BEAT TWO GAZA PROTESTERS ON VIDEO. THE NYPD ARRESTED THE PROTESTERS.
The protesters’ parents said the officials beat their sons with chains at Egypt’s U.N. mission. The NYPD arrested the brothers for assault.
link to Intercept.com article.

EGYPTIAN GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES wielding a chain and stick detained and assaulted a 22-year-old man and his 15-year-old brother at the Egyptian Mission to the United Nations during a pro-Palestine protest in New York on Wednesday, the brothers’ parents told The Intercept. The New York City Police Department then arrested the two brothers on assault charges, and strangulation for the younger one, according to their parents and an NYPD spokesperson.

God damn the fucking motherfucking Egyptians here.
I don’t know exactly why this happened. But my gut instinct tells me it’s the absolute corruption of these Arabs towards those protesting against the ongoing slaughter/genocide, which anyone with 1/10th a brain knows is happening.
God damn those fucking Muslim pigs, who won’t lift a finger to help their suffering brethren/sistren in Gaza!
God damn them! Enough of the blaming “white people” for what’s happening in Gaza!
If those god-damn Islamic nations had any balls—any courage—any humanity whatsoever, they’d be doing something to help their co-religionists. Something. Anything.
Instead they’re aliging themslelves with the Evil Empire, actively throwing their lot in with the stronger of the combatants.
Fuck them! Fuck their cowardly Islamic motherfucking souls!
If they won’t come to the aid of their natural compatriots, the Palestinians, who will?
This for me only reinforces the rapidly declining basis for the continuation of the human species. If this is the best we can come up with, then we—the entire human species—so richly deserve the ultimate doom that greets us …

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 5:00 utc | 103

God damn them! Enough of the blaming “white people” for what’s happening in Gaza!
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 5:00 utc | 103
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You are aware that the UK, France, and America are considered “white countries,” and they are the ones supplying the bombs and the money to conduct the genocide.
Also, the Nazis were white. The first people to use nukes were white.
The settlers in the Americas were white.
Africa was colonized by whites from Belgium, the Netherlands, the UK, and France, all “white countries”.
Notice a trend?
Ok, it may not be people who are genetically white, but colonialism, fascism, and genocide are white culture.
It’s not the Maori settling other nations. It’s not the Pinay or the Tibetans.
The Crusades, white people. The Inquisition? White people. The holocaust? White people.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104

“Iran will prevent the creation of an American corridor in the Caucasus region no matter whether Moscow will join Tehran or not”
Ali Akbar Velayati, a senior adviser to the Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyed Ali Khamenei, emphasized that the Caucasus has historically functioned as a strategic security buffer for Iran
In a post on his twitter, Velayati referred to Quranic references to Dhul-Qarnayn, noting that prominent scholars such as Allameh Tabatabaei have identified this figure with Cyrus the Great
According to the writings of Greek historian and geographer Herodotus, Cyrus established fortifications in the Caucasus region to shield Iran from the incursions of nomadic tribes, thereby reinforcing the area’s enduring role as a protective frontier
Velayati dismissed the idea of the so-called Zangezur corridor that is designed to link the Republic of Azerbaijan with Nakhchivan, warning that the implementation of the corridor plan will jeopardize the security of South Caucasus

Threads of prophecy begin to draw together.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 25 2025 5:52 utc | 105

Only the Shi’a Muslim Ummah from Yemen to Iran is left standing as the last bastion between Satanic Judeo-Christianity and the rest of the world.
Russia has been unmasked as merely another puppet of the Chabad, as clearly described in The Protocols.
China remains to be seen …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 25 2025 5:57 utc | 106

The Crusades, white people. The Inquisition? White people. The holocaust? White people.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104
What about the islamic invasion of Europe? Those people were not white. What about the arab slave trade? And so on…
But of course, you are just „jerry picking“.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 5:59 utc | 107

What about the islamic invasion of Europe? Those people were not white. What about the arab slave trade? And so on…
But of course, you are just „jerry picking“.
Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 5:59 utc | 107
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Do you mean when Muslims brought civilization (math, poetry, and handwashing) to Pagan serfs?
You’ll note that there were no organized tortures or ethnic cleansing.
Compare the Catholic Church to the “Islamic invasion” which left Spain with great architecture and tolerance for Jews (in retrospect, maybe not such a good idea).
And still whitey is mass murdering, raping, and mutilating people hundreds of years later. It’s pathological.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:18 utc | 108

So riddle us this, Dumbass:
Why has Islam, by and large in the aggregate (Egypt, Saudi Arabia (and no, they’re not “crypto-Jews!”), Syria, Lebanon, Yemen, Iran, Iraq, et al), not lifted one god-damned fucking finger to save the Palestinians?
I don’t know enough about their history to say this with certainty, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it’s not just oppression from outside, colonization, that’s the culprit here:
I think there’s an inherent corruption in Arabic cultures that’s responsible for this.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:27 utc | 109

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 5:59 utc | 107
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The Arab slave trade is a good one.
The Jews (Khazars) and some Christians sold Africans to the Americas and had a long history of slavery in Central Asia (the term “Slav” came from “slave”).
Islam, as a religion, has very firm rules on slavery. Slaves have rights and must be treated as family in some situations.
Freeing a slave is the only way to expiate some serious sins. People would buy slaves to free them to make themselves right with God.
No other religion did that.
Islam had rights for slaves and rights for women hundreds of years before Europeans. As I said, they brought civilization when Europeans were living in filth and were treated as cattle under feudalism.
Meanwhile, the Catholic Church (which defeated the “Islamic invasion”) would sell indulgences. The right to sin in return for money.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:28 utc | 110

see the 4:54 video at the first link
see the 2-second video at the second link. of the explosion in Sanaa, Yemen
https://x.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1959186830898688111
Sarah Wilkinson @swilkinsonbc
The israelis executed Palestinians at aid food lines, then ‘cleaned up’ the evidence, says a ‘Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’ whistleblower
https://x.com/Ahmed_hassan_za/status/1959704494993998046
Ahmed Hassan 🇾🇪 أحمد حسن زيد @Ahmed_hassan_za
Many have never experienced this, but we Yemenis have experienced it many times. We have witnessed fire, smoke, destruction, and blood. We have lived through many years of bombardment in order to defend ourselves. What happened today in my city, Sana’a, was not only to defend ourselves but also to defend our brothers, our sanctities, and our honor.
Today, we are being bombed for a cause that is both noble and great. We have not surrendered, nor have we submitted, when we were merely defending Yemen and our beliefs. For this reason, we will never surrender today while we are defending humanity, childhood, truth, noble morals, freedom, and sublime principles.
We will not let down everything beautiful, no matter what the criminals do.
https://x.com/The_Izzetbey/status/1959726564674871717
Izzet Bey @The_Izzetbey
It will be written in history that only Yemen stood up against genocide while other 190+ countries watched it livestreamed on their phones and did almost nothing (except Hezbollah and Iran).

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 6:40 utc | 111

Yes, the Yemenis are the only Arabs in the vicinity who have done a damn thing (and much more than that) to aid their Palestinian neighbors.
Where are the rest of them???

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:48 utc | 112

I think there’s an inherent corruption in Arabic cultures that’s responsible for this.
@ George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:27 utc | 109

“I think” you say — to preface a completely incoherent non-thought. This “inherent corruption in Arabic cultures” — the object of your accusation — is perfect nonsense in every word. Presumably you mean to imply a special level of “inherent corruption” over and above the dysfunction plaguing all societies — special to countries where Arabic is spoken, for some reason. At any rate, Islam isn’t the problem here (whew!), only the Arabic language…
Such infantile, ill-framed, ill-thought nonsense is impossible to refute, simply because there is no there there (as Gertrude said of my beloved Oakland).

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 6:54 utc | 113

So you don’t think there’s any variation among Earth cultures? That some don’t have different levels of corruption? You actually believe that all cultures are inherently equal?
Mind you, I completely understand what a slippery slope this puts one on. And I’m certainly not arguing that, say, European or American culture is in any way superior. (Not even Oakland culture, and I know that one as I lived there for 20 years). But to say that there are no qualitative differences between world cultures is … just exceedingly naive.
In any case, how would you you explain the lack of support for the Palestinians among any of their neighbors except the Yemenis?

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:10 utc | 114

Do you mean when Muslims brought civilization (math, poetry, and handwashing) to Pagan serfs?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:18 utc | 108
You mean like the Americans bring in our time democracy to arab countries?
Besides to that, has it ever occured to you that the whites did all that bad stuff because they had the means to do so? And it is not so much a „white“ thing to kill others but more likely a „human“ thing.
In Africa the whites were fighting with rifles (and they had the ships to travel across the ocean) and the blacks had just spears (and no ships to travel across the ocean).

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:13 utc | 115

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:13 utc | 115
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Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel? Examines that very question.
I find it entirely plausible that the evils of colonization, oppression and exploitation could just have easily have come from dark-skinned “races” as from palefaces. It was just a historical accident that favored the latter.
Unless you really believe that human “races” (a totally discredited concept, BTW) are somehow unequal …

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:18 utc | 116

israel is the most racist, lying, predatory, conniving, thieving nation-state on the face of the Earth. all their cities and especially their illegal settler-communities in the West Bank deserve to be bull-dozed and flattened
see the 30-second video at the first link
see the photos at the second link
https://x.com/ireallyhateyou/status/1958987942229348646
B.M. @ireallyhateyou
🧵”You sons of whores, don’t mess with me, next terror attack I’ll take down a house”
Last night, a female IDF terrorist posted a POV video, depicting herself bulldozing olive trees in Al-Mughayyir, in the West Bank, as part of the ongoing large-scale terrorist campaign against the village, following an “assault” on a settler that most likely did not even occur. She added some background music, of course.
Just today I wrote about how no distinction whatsoever could be made nowadays between the settler terrorists and the IDF terrorists in the West Bank. Here’s a perfect example – see next tweet.
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1958873514255045117
Quds News Network @QudsNen
Images show the plain of Al-Mughayyir village in Ramallah, in the occupied West Bank, before and after being leveled to the ground by Israeli occupation bulldozers, which uprooted over 8,000 olive trees until now.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 7:19 utc | 117

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 6:48 utc | 112
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You might want to slow down in this discussion if you don’t know who Hezbollah is or what Iran does.
Here is the thing. Arab people are not all Muslims. Many are Christians, Jews, Alawites, and Druze.
And there are more Muslims in South East Asia than in West Asia.
Around 242 million in Indonesia alone.
The British and the Americans were never going to let pious Arabs rule the Gulf States. Islam is the most (only?) anti-capitalist religion. Charity is mandatory every year, and it is poor form to hoard wealth.
Jordan, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, all ruled by friends of Epstein, and violate Islam’s tenets on usury and illegal (antisocial) sources of income.
If one wants to judge an Islamic state vis-à-vis Palestine, judge Iran, which is the big brother to Yemen.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 7:19 utc | 118

Islam had rights for slaves and rights for women hundreds of years before Europeans.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 6:28 utc |
Oh yes, and they are still to this day ahead in woman rights compared to the christians. /S
Here ends my discussion with you. You are either blinded by hate or a religious nutcase, maybe both.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:20 utc | 119

Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel? Examines that very question.
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:18 utc | 116
No, I have not. Thanks for the tip.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:23 utc | 120

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:18 utc | 116
Posted by: NoName | Aug 25 2025 7:13 utc | 115
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Some very Talmudic circumlocutions are going on here.
“Black people would have done the same, and whites only did it because they could”.
Wow.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 7:24 utc | 121

I’ll have to check my Qur’an (I do have a copy), but it seems to me that so far as women’s rights go, they’re honored mostly in the breach in most Islamic countries. One thing in theory, quite another in practice.
Just the same as goes for “Christians” here in the US, who Jesus would be disgusted by …

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:27 utc | 122

Dumbass:
Do you really believe that black folks are more angelic, holier than white folks?
Really?
Wow.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:28 utc | 123

I’ve confessed to fellow barflies my philosophically disorienting astonishment as I discover more about “Rabbinic” or “Talmudic” Judaism. In response, a couple of you shared references to the great scholar and activist Israel Shahak, including Ron Unz’s account of how Shahak’s little books changed his thinking:
https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-oddities-of-the-jewish-religion/
Near the conclusion of that essay, Unz mentions another Jewish historian whose name is even more emphatically shunned than Shahak’s. Because Ariel Toaff infamously questioned, in 2007, whether ye olde “blood libel” was ever actually libelous:

What Professor Toaff evidently did not know is that that there are certain types of “position A” that cannot be challenged by their antithesis, and, in particular, one “position A” that is beyond historical criticism is the axiom that medieval Jews were always and everywhere falsely accused of killing Christian children for their blood, and the Christian outrage that followed such false charges were thinly veiled spates of anti-Semitic violence. This “Blood Libel” then feeds an historical narrative that Jews were always victims and Christians were always aggressors and bigots. More to the point, the “Blood Libel” is a core tenant and narrative in the belief of universal Jewish victimology and universal European Christian culpability. Because of its foundational support for the claims of later Jewish victimhood, weakening or destroying the idea of the “Blood Libel”—or worse, actually assigning blame to Jews for the despicable actions of which they were accused—then threatens the entire thread of Jewish victimhood, which is the only contemporarily acceptable cultural narrative.

Review of “Passovers of Blood” by Ariel Toaff
https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2023/06/12/__trashed-3/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 7:31 utc | 124

In any case, how would you you explain…
@ George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:10 utc | 114

I’ve already explained that your fantasies, along with your irrational anti-Arabic antipathies, are a rattling empty lunchpail. No more explicable than subtle distinctions in flatulence. As it’s obviously pointless when Null meets Zero (our Hasbara C-3PO); I should apologize to barflies and promise to stop insult-contesting with other nonentities.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 25 2025 7:44 utc | 125

https://x.com/Swiftor/status/1959639094121693693
Swiftor @Swiftor
Use chemical weapons to force families inside their homes.
Then bomb the homes kiII them all.
Israeli terrorism.
https://x.com/bassem_youssef9/status/1959566420389269761
Bassem Youssef Commentary @bassem_youssef9
Since the first day of October 7, Israel has used chemical weapons to force people into buildings and houses, and then used tons of explosives to destroy those buildings. Entire families in Gaza have been wiped out. The genocide started from the first day and ended with siege and famine.
———
https://x.com/shadowed_news/status/1959688416284815467
Shadowed News 🗞️ @shadowed_news
Israel has no right to exist, If you think otherwise Fuck off

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 8:12 utc | 126

It’s not the Maori settling other nations
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104
The Māori were notorious slavers. Their destruction of the Motai people is well documented.

Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 10:31 utc | 127

Another Al Jazeera Journalist Among 14 Palestinians in Israel [Double-Tap] Strike on Southern Gaza Hospital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdSzx-s5BC8
“An Al Jazeera journalist is among 14 Palestinians killed in an Israeli strike on Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis in Southern Gaza. At least 2 other journalists, including one from the international news agency Reuters, were killed…”
Genocidal USraeli Monsters accorded impunity by our complicit political ‘representatives’.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 10:40 utc | 128

sorry for inadvertently bolded entire post above…More:
Israel is Systematically Targeting Journalists To Silence Gaza’s Human Stories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJI881bBQKY
“They want to kill the picture.”
Al Jazeera Journalist Among 19 Killed in Israeli Attack in Gaza
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2025/8/25/live-israel-intensifies-attacks-on-gaza-leaving-dozens-dead-in-a-day
“An Israeli explosive drone hit the rooftop of Nasser Hospital, killing 1 journalist, followed by an Israeli air strike. Witnesses said the second strike took place after rescue workers, journalists and other people had rushed to the site of the initial attack.
In total, the attacks killed at least 15 people, including 4 journalists and one rescue worker, according to Palestinian health officials.
Mohamed el Masry, media studies professor at the Doha Institute for Graduate Studies, says Israel has learned it can ‘pretty much do whatever it wants’ with no repercussions during the course of the Gaza war…”
Not a war – a genocidal project – and given the widespread and obvious complicity – clearly a collective project to privilege USrael to continue this project until its awful conclusion. It must not be!

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 11:16 utc | 129

Doctor at Nasser Medical Complex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXCb1c4NVhg
“Patients are now running away from the hospital in fear.”
As intended by the zio-genocidaires as per this international collective project of USrael and the political class of other settler-state allies.

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 11:39 utc | 130

@malenkov | Aug 25 2025 2:51 utc | 96
I may agree about your characterisation of AOC.
As an opportunist.
And that may well apply to all the zionists as well.
Opportunism is how the weak gain influence.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 25 2025 12:28 utc | 131

“israel is the most racist, lying, predatory, conniving, thieving nation-state on the face of the Earth.”
@michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 7:19 utc | 117
Probably and Israel was deliberately designed by the anglosaxon imperialists to be that way.
Ever heard of Orde Wingate?

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 25 2025 12:35 utc | 132

I”t’s not the Maori settling other nations”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104
The Māori were notorious slavers. Their destruction of the Motai people is well documented.
Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 10:31 utc | 127
LoveDumbass does not let history distort his crazy ideas

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 12:37 utc | 133

Dumbass:
Do you really believe that black folks are more angelic, holier than white folks?
Really?
Wow.
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 7:28 utc | 123

When I saw the comment above, I was struck by how similar it sounded to what have been heard and recorded in Palestine.
‘If I Don’t Steal [Your Home] Someone Else Will’ Israeli Settler Justifies Forcible Takeover

Half of the al-Kurd family home was taken over by Israeli settlers in 2009. Al-Kurd’s twin brother Mohammed previously told Al Jazeera that sharing their home with “squatters with Brooklyn accents” was “insufferable, intolerable [and] terrible”.
“>https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/4/if-i-dont-steal-your-home-someone-else-will-jewish-settler-says

This is how George the Zeroth thinks: If Zionists don’t eradicate the Palestinian people, someone else will. Do you think the Palestinians are more angelic, holier than Zionists? The Palestinians would have colonized, oppressed and exploited Zionists if a historical accident favored the Palestinians. Zionists are not racists because Zionists believe that everyone else is just as depraved as they are.
America, first established as a genocidal settler colonial state, undoubtedly has great kinship with a fellow genocidal settler colonial state, Israel. This is why former Oakland resident George the Zeroth, a genuine Mr. America, has an unrivaled ability to showcase the Zionist mentality with great clarity.
Thank you, George the Zeroth, for explaining why Americans in actuality support Israel, even if they loudly proclaim that they are on the side of the Palestinians.
Death to America
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ
Marg bar Âmrikâ

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:53 utc | 134

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 12:37 utc | 133
If it’s the real LoveDonbass.
But enough about distractions, cui bono the genocide of Palestine?

Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 135

I”t’s not the Maori settling other nations”
Posted by: LoveDumbass | Aug 25 2025 5:12 utc | 104
The Māori were notorious slavers. Their destruction of the Motai people is well documented.
Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 10:31 utc | 127
LoveDumbass does not let history distort his crazy ideas
Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 12:37 utc | 133

Just peeked up and saw George the Zeroth’s fellow white supremacist, canuk, lending George a helping hand. This is MoA now: a hangout for fascists.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136

Quick note:Russians evacuating their diplomats from genocidal entity. Americans moving troops from El Anbar Iraq to Erbil, bordeing Iran ( yes Hala Jaber claims it is a scheduled retreat from Iraq, just moved earlier).
We know about lying americans, and using negotiations as cover for war.
‘The end is near?
Since August 19-25, several flights have been operated from Moscow to Israel. Apparently, Russia is evacuating its embassy staff from Tel Aviv’
https://x.com/JackStr42679640/status/1959901639097417803
Iran is watching.I hope. Still, the China equipment they now have is not yet fully integrated.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 13:10 utc | 137

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136
I am my own individual and I’ve stated documented facts of Māori history.
Cui bono the genocide of Palestine?

Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 13:20 utc | 138

Yet another IDF airstrike on Nasser Hospital, I have lost count on how IDF airstrikes have been targeted on Gaza Hospitals since October 7th.
These are class one war crimes punishable by the death penalty for the perpetrators.
And yet the US and UK continue the supply line of ammo and munitions to the IDF war criminals used to kill doctors, nurses, emts, patients, journalists, cnas, ambulance drivers, firefighters, police officers, etc., etc.

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 25 2025 13:27 utc | 139

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:55 utc | 136
You call me a ‘white supremacist’ while you deny history; you are a joke.
“The Moriori genocide was the mass murder, enslavement, and cannibalism[1] of the Moriori people, the indigenous ethnic group of the Chatham Islands, by members of the mainland Māori New Zealand iwi Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama from 1835 to 1863. The invaders murdered around 300 Moriori and enslaved the remaining population.(1)
1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori_genocide

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 13:33 utc | 140

Israel is going berserk in its latest killing spree. They must have taken Trump’s advice to “get it done quickly”. Someone mentioned above about the two brothers in NY who were beaten by Egyptian security at the Egyptian embassy. The BOYS were arrested for assault, despite the fact that the incident was filmed through the glass doors, and clearly the guards were chain-choking and beating the helpless boys.
Link: https://theintercept.com/2025/08/22/gaza-egypt-protest-nyc-un/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=The%20Intercept%20Newsletter
There was a bombing at the Nassar Hospital in Khan Younis. The latest number of killed is 20. Info as follows, and note that some of the journalists worked for western media:

Press Release No. (945) issued by the Government Media Office:*
⛔*The number of martyred journalists has risen to 244 journalists after the announcement of the martyrdom of four journalists in the targeting of Nasser Hospital*
The number of martyred journalists has risen to (244 martyred journalists) since the beginning of the war of genocide on the Gaza Strip, after the announcement of the martyrdom of fellow journalists:
*Martyr journalist/ Hossam Al-Masry*
, who worked as a photojournalist with Reuters news agency.
🎙*Martyr journalist/Mohamed Salama*
, who worked as a photojournalist with Al Jazeera Channel
🎙*Martyr journalist/Maryam Abu Daqqa*
, who worked as a journalist with several media outlets, including Independent Arabia and AP.
🎙*Martyr journalist/ Moaz Abu Taha*
, who worked as a journalist for the American NBC network
. Fellow journalists were martyred when the “Israeli” occupation committed a horrific crime by bombing a group of journalists who were on a reporting assignment at Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis Governorate (southern Gaza Strip). This crime claimed the lives of many martyrs.
Update: Re: Above
15 martyrs and wounded, including civil defense personnel and 4 journalists, as a result of the occupation forces’ bombing of the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Yunis, south of the Gaza Strip.
Update: Re: Above
The fifth martyr of the press massacre at Nasser Hospital, fellow journalist Ahmed Aziz, is added to the long list of martyrs of truth, 245 colleagues.
Update: Re: Above: Number of dead has risen to 20.
The occupation targeted them live on air during the final moments of the martyred journalists, Mohammed Salama, Moaz Abu Taha, and Mariam Abu Daqqa, while they were covering the first bombing of the Nasser Medical Complex.
Follow-up | Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor :
– The Israeli occupation army killed this morning a doctor, five journalists, and a civil defense member in a double raid inside the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis.[ Double raid: they dropped a second bomb as people were trying to react to the first bomb. – Teri]
– This complex crime constitutes a calculated trap to target rescue teams and journalists, silence witnesses, and undermine the survival chances of Palestinians.
– Our field team monitored an Israeli drone flying at a very low altitude over the Nasser Medical Complex before targeting the site.
– The attack was not random, but rather deliberate and carried out with precise intelligence guidance that included detailed information about the nature of the targeted location and the identities of the victims.
– This pattern does not constitute an isolated incident, but rather a repeated and documented Israeli policy in multiple locations during the genocide.
– What happened is a multi-component crime, as the army targeted a protected medical facility, killed a doctor and journalists while carrying out their duties, targeted patients while trying to treat them, and killed and injured civil defense members while carrying out their rescue duties.
Follow-up | Reuters : We express our sorrow after the killing of a contracted journalist in the Gaza Strip.
[What???? They express sorrow? They are not going to go after the Israelis for killing their reporter? – Teri]
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
In a statement, the Israeli army spokesperson claimed :
“Earlier today (Monday), IDF forces launched an attack in the area of Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis.
The Chief of Staff ordered a preliminary investigation to be conducted as soon as possible.
The IDF regrets any casualties among civilians and non-members, and under no circumstances does it target attacks against journalists. It works as much as possible to minimize harm to them while maintaining the safety of our forces.”
[Seriously? They bombed them twice and had drones for picure ID of the scene they were bombing. – Teri]
“>https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

The Palestinians who “disappeared” from the aid sites were taken to prisons or killed. Testimony from teenagers abducted and taken to prison; this is not the entire article:

Palestinian teenagers kidnapped and imprisoned by Israeli occupation forces during the genocidal war on Gaza accused their jailers of torturing and sexually assaulting them in a report published Saturday by the Australian Broadcasting Corporation.
“They took me from the aid distribution site and transferred me to a hospital in Rafah, where I was interrogated for an hour,” one 16-year-old boy identified by his first name Sami, who was abducted on June 29, told ABC. “They stripped me and conducted a body search. Then, they loaded me into a jeep and transported me to a prison in Israel.”
“During the interrogations, they tortured us—handcuffing us, beating us with sticks, and using electric shocks,” the teen continued. “They did countless things to break us.”
“I was tortured for a week until I lost all sense of time and awareness,” Sami said. “They put me in a one-square-meter cell, where I spent the entire week. I never saw daylight, never stepped outside. They only came to deliver food.”
“They asked if I knew anyone from Hamas, and whether I had crossed over on October 7,” Sami recounted. “They kept pressing me about who I knew and who I had seen. I told them I was just walking down the street—I didn’t know anything.”
“They would beat me. Each person that talked to me would beat me,” the teen alleged. “I was handcuffed, blindfolded, and they put electricity in my legs.”
Mahmoud, age 17, said that his Israeli abductors “began hurling insults, cursing at us, and accusing us of being with Hamas.”
“They stripped us of our clothes and took us to Kerem Shalom, completely naked, with nothing,” he continued. “There, the beatings and torture began.”
“The Israeli women soldiers beat us. They stripped us and ‘played’ here, and here, and there,” Mahmoud said, indicating his genitals. “They beat us with sticks. Got on us while we were lying on the ground. We were handcuffed like that and naked.”
Mahmoud said his captors wanted to humiliate him and other teenage boys in custody, accusing the troops of taking nude photos of them and sending female soldiers to mock and touch his body—an especially shameful ordeal for Muslims. […]. “I was tortured, we are children,” he added. “What have we done?”
ABC published photographs showing signs of torture on the teens’ bodies, including from shackling.[…]
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) categorically rejected the teens’ accusations, saying that “this includes allegations of electric shocks during interrogations, strip-searching detainees for humiliation purposes, or sexual assaults.” […]
Survivors of Israeli abuse have also accused their jailers of bringing Israeli civilians into detention centers and allowing them to watch and record prisoners being tortured.
Gazan doctor Khaled al-Sir told ABC that Sami and Mahmoud’s accounts mirrored his own abuse at the hands of Israeli soldiers who imprisoned him for six months last year.
“I witnessed many prisoners who were sexually assaulted using batons in their buttholes and also using the pepper spray over their private parts,” al-Sir alleged, adding that there was an area of Sde Teiman that guards called the “hell section,” where abuse was particularly severe.
A pair of recent United Nations reports detailed sexual violence, including reproductive and gender-based crimes, perpetrated by Israeli soldiers against Palestinians. The UN has also reported rape and other sexual violence committed by Hamas militants against Israelis during the October 7, 2023 attack and against hostages kidnapped that day.
In January, Israel blocked a request from UN sex crimes experts to probe alleged sexual violence perpetrated by Hamas fighters during the October 7, 2023 attack, reportedly to avoid scrutiny of rapes and other abuses allegedly committed by Israeli forces against imprisoned Palestinians.
“>https://www.commondreams.org/news/palestinian-teens-sexually-abused-by-israeli-soldiers?utm_source=Common+Dreams&utm_campaign=f45b1f35a1-Weekend+Edition%3A+Sun.+8%2F24%2F25&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-c56d0ea580-600415947

Other news (sources under each quote):

11 more Gazans die of starvation, pushing famine-linked deaths to 300, including 117 children.
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/gaza-death-toll-passes-62-700-as-famine-takes-toll-on-israel-bombed-enclave/3668522
A senior Iranian official: Russia provided intelligence assistance to Israel during the 12-day war against Iran. “They exposed their air defense systems to them. The war proved that an alliance with Russia is unnecessary.”
https://t-me.translate.goog/s/gazanewsnow2021?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en
An Israeli military source said:
The orders we have at the start of the Gaza operation are to destroy everything from the air and then move on the ground.
An Israeli soldier, 20, committed suicide in his home in Ashkelon after returning from fighting in Gaza.
Netanyahu’s Office:
Israel appreciates the important step taken by the Lebanese government, headed by President Aoun and Prime Minister Salam.
The recent decision by the Lebanese cabinet to work toward the disarmament of Hezbollah by the end of 2025 was a fundamental decision.
This decision represents an opportunity for Lebanon to restore its sovereignty and rebuild its state, military, and governance institutions—without interference or influence from non-state actors.
If Lebanese security forces take steps to disarm Hezbollah, Israel will take reciprocal steps, including a gradual reduction of the IDF presence in coordination with the United States.
Now is the time for Israel and Lebanon to move forward in a spirit of cooperation, focused on the shared goal of disarming Hezbollah and promoting stability and prosperity in both countries.
“>https://t-me.translate.goog/s/Sohaibpress?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Posted by: teri | Aug 25 2025 13:39 utc | 141

Journalists assassinated/martyred
https://t.me/youseffares19/85809

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 13:45 utc | 142

“I am my own individual and I’ve stated documented facts of Māori history.”
Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 13:20 utc | 138
Lunatic Lefties like All Under Heaven are a religious cult whom do not recognize facts or recorded history if they don’t line up with their ersatz beliefs.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 13:49 utc | 143

“Plus ca change, plus c’est la meme chose.”
Blockade Forces Closure of U.N. Food Distribution Program in Gaza
14 nov. 2008.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/14/AR2008111401112.html?hpid=moreheadlines
“The United Nations has shut down a food distribution program that feeds 750,000 Palestinians in the Gaza Strip after U.N. officials said their warehouses were empty and could not be restocked because of an Israeli blockade.”

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 25 2025 13:52 utc | 144

The strike on the hospital
(Not graphic)
https://t.me/Sohaibpress/113394

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:02 utc | 145

Re expulsion of the Jews: I found a site that catalogued 1030 expulsions at the granular level from nations and districts and cities, most of them from Europe but also China and Peru. Catholic polities have a long history of conflict with the Jews. Zionism has no place in Catholicism.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 14:14 utc | 146

A 5th journalist assassinated/martyred
https://t.me/youseffares19/85823
“The occupation targeted them live on air during the final moments of the martyred journalists, Mohammed Salama, Moaz Abu Taha, and Mariam Abu Daqqa, while they were covering the first bombing of the Nasser Medical Complex.”
https://t.me/youseffares19/85817
Via Youssef Fares:
– “Follow-up | Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Monitor :
The Israeli occupation army killed this morning a doctor, five journalists, and a civil defense member in a double raid inside the Nasser Medical Complex in Khan Younis.
This complex crime constitutes a calculated trap to target rescue teams and journalists, silence witnesses, and undermine the survival chances of Palestinians.
Our field team monitored an Israeli drone flying at a very low altitude over the Nasser Medical Complex before targeting the site.
The attack was not random, but rather deliberate and carried out with precise intelligence guidance that included detailed information about the nature of the targeted location and the identities of the victims.
This pattern does not constitute an isolated incident, but rather a repeated and documented Israeli policy in multiple locations during the genocide.
What happened is a multi-component crime, as the army targeted a protected medical facility, killed a doctor and journalists while carrying out their duties, targeted patients while trying to treat them, and killed and injured civil defense members while carrying out their rescue duties.”
– “Follow-up | Names of the martyrs of the Nasser Medical Complex massacre in Khan Yunis, south of the Gaza Strip:
1- Ahmed Hazem Ahmed Shaheen
2- Ayman Mustafa Hamdan Fasifes
3- Mohammed Ahmed Salem Abu Hadaf
4- Jumaa Khaled Jumaa Al-Najjar
5- Journalist: Maryam Riyad Mohammed Abu Farhana
6- Salah Yousef Mohsen Barbakh
7- Tahrir Adel Abu Jamea
8- Journalist: Hossam Attia Abdel
Rahman Al-Masry 9- Mohammed Mahmoud Ismail Al-Habibi
10- Photojournalist: Mohammed Saber Ibrahim Salama
11- Hisham Tayseer Ibrahim Qwaider 12-
Mohammed Jalal Mohammed Abu Anza
13- Imad Abdel Hakim Ali Al-Shaer
14- Ahmed Mohammed Suleiman Abu Ishaq
15- Mohammed Mansour Jumaa Al-Ajili
16- Journalist Moaz Abu Taha
and a number of martyrs remain unidentified”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:16 utc | 147

The Duran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teLq3YTPReA
“Iran builds up [Russian] air defences for future conflict.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 14:16 utc | 148

“The enemy army offers ready-made justifications after every crime exposed by journalists’ cameras:
“There is a threat to our forces.”
This broken record could have been believed if 86% of the victims of the genocide hadn’t been civilians – according to an Israeli investigation – and if the number of martyred journalist colleagues hadn’t exceeded the total number of those killed in all modern wars, from World War I to World War II, to the wars on Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, Iran, Yemen, and Ukraine. Israel deliberately and intentionally killed 245 journalists in order to silence the voice of truth. The targeting of journalists in Nasser Hospital was also intentional, but God’s will prevails, that the assassination will cause a greater scandal that will push him to this false apology. I know that this crime will not change anything about the reality of the situation in this corrupt and complicit world, but the blood of truth will always triumph over the intentions of the shells of lies and the dreams of the murderer.
Journalist Youssef Fares – Occupied Palestine”
In Iraq there was once a long media focus when a journalists was killed ‘because his camera appeared to be an anti-tank weapon’ , and a lot of criticism ….and now …. they don’t even pretend to invent an excuse, only take assassinations as an opportunity to lie.
Thanks @teri for keeping the reports rolling from those sites (and all others for keeping other reports going), cannot be online constantly and often I miss some earlier in the day.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 14:29 utc | 149

CNN: Will Diplomatic Pressure Change Israel’s Plans in the West Bank?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnGPlSBIDEE
“Dr Mustafa Barghouti answers.”
‘Israel is completely reliant on the Trump administration and the American ambassador – who has the guts to even say there is no Palestinian people.’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 14:43 utc | 150

The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.. . .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 21
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I am waiting for you to document this statement.
Well?
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:10 utc | 85
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Failure to document is an acknowledgment that you are a liar.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:25 utc | 88
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That should of course be “my referring”—“referring” being a gerund, IOW a noun, hence preceded by a possessive.
Typical “Yank” grammatical error.
What a weasel. Now she says she doesn’t want to litigate my genocidal writings, and demands “take it to the open thread.” No, we’ll “take” it right here, where you recommenced your “Genocide Jane” shit flinging.
First, I do not see that I wrote, as BitchBass stated, “The natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.”
This sentence appears to be a product of BitchBass’s own imagination.
Second, here is what I wrote, in response to a line of questioning by Siddharta, on the thread now referenced by BitchBass:

“Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 0:30 utc | 230
What’s your view on the genocide of the indigenous inhabitants of north America?
Posted by: Siddhartha | Feb 22 2024 1:11 utc | 247
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That is a very broad question. The history of North America is huge and various.
I am neither a historian nor an expert on genocide.
Still, I’ll try for an answer stemming from my reading.
In the phrase “the genocide of the indigenous inhabitants of North America” (but why only North America?) the word “genocide” means something different from its meaning in the Nazi/European or the current Israeli contexts. (Of course there have been other genocides on planet Earth besides these.)
In the North American context “genocide” seems to refer to a result, and only in a limited sense to an intention.
Some chapters of the encounter between Europeans and Native Americans (also don’t forget Latin America) seem to be clearly genocidal: The aim was to eradicate Indians.
There were many local wars in which both Europeans and Native Americans committed massacres.
However, the encounter between Europeans and Americans was not a black-white affair. Within Native groups the response to Europeans was not monolithic and different Native factions developed. The relations were often complex. It was not a good/evil situation. See, e.g., John Ehle, Trail of Tears: The Rise and Fall of the Cherokee Nation (heavily documented with very interesting Cherokee documents quoted extensively); Ola Elizabeth Winslow, John Eliot: “Apostle to the Indians.” Many Native Americans were eager to learn from Europeans. Many were eager to get out from under the power of shamans and were strongly attracted to Christianity.
Native Americans of the South and West became entangled in the American Civil War, esp. after Removal from the Southeast to Arkansas and Missouri. This added a huge complication to their situation. See Trail of Tears and also Alvin M. Josephy, Jr., The Civil War in the American West.
The fact that many Native Americans died of disease and the consequences of displacement and the end effect was a reduction in the number of Native Americans (I don’t know any statistics on this) I think does not in itself meet the conditions to be called a genocide. Unless one adopts a different definition from the one that I think is current: a plan and execution of the plan to kill all members of a group.
To be sure, the phrase “trail of tears” has occurred to me in the Gaza context.
So, I think the general situation in North America might be characterized as ethnic cleansing and resultant deaths with some more specifically genocidal incidents and chapters. Personally I am not comfortable with the phrase “the genocide of the Native Americans”; people throw it around like a blunt instrument without stopping to think what they actually mean, or what it actually might mean.
As in Palestine, as in Eastern Europe, the ultimate driver in the treatment of Native Americans was lust for land. All attempts to draw lines (e.g., by the British) to prevent settlers from advancing into Native lands ultimately failed. The situation of the Native Americans was actually worse after the American Revolution than before, as all brakes on the land lust of new European settlers failed. The lust for land turned many Europeans into racists.
Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 2:20 utc | 266

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Do “take” your further “Genocide Jane” shit flinging to the Open Thread where you can enjoy it in masturbatory solitude.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151

“Do “take” your [LoveDumbass] further “Genocide Jane” shit flinging to the Open Thread where you can enjoy it in masturbatory solitude.”
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151
I second that motion.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 14:54 utc | 152

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151
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Why is it so difficult for you to admit that America was founded with ethnic cleansing?
It’s not a controversial take in 2025.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 14:56 utc | 153

The Māori were notorious slavers. Their destruction of the Motai people is well documented.
Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 10:31 utc | 127
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Who documented that?
Whitey came along to take out the bad guys, again with “democracy”. Yeah, sure.
Here is the thing.
I have worked and lived among many Maori. You can’t tell me what I have first hand experience with.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:05 utc | 154

osted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151
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Why is it so difficult for you to admit that America was founded with ethnic cleansing?
It’s not a controversial take in 2025.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 14:56 utc | 153
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Uh-huh.
Nice try to change the subject.
You ordered me to the Open Thread.
Go there yourself, birdbrain.
As for my views on the genocide of Native Americans, what I put down in writing dwarfs any wordsmithing by you on the subject. Furthermore I have the respect for readers to document the sources of the views I express.
You, not so much.
You are a ranting joke: a self-appointed Grand Inquisitor who is also a mental and intellectual midget.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 155

Trubind1 #35. Re Ruskies, Alistair Cooke in an interview w/ I think the Judge (can’t find the link right now, but will keep looking if anyone cares) noted that the Ruskie Minister of Finance who accompanied Putin to Alaska (Kiril somebody) is a former Goldman Sacks (or is it sucks?) fellah. Alistair is all happy because now the Ruskies and Trumpstein may be able to jointly plunder the Arctic.
abierno #69 I wish you were correct, but I don’t think you are. Ruskies taking over printing paper money for Syria
possibly in “exchange” for keeping their bases in Syria actually looks like Ruskies taking over the banking system to my eyes. Let us recall that according to some, up to one million of the Izzynazis currently exterminating Palestininans are dual Ruskie-Izzy “citizens.” Thus “greater Izzyhell” will have its corridor to Russia, but not in
the way any one thought of. I have no doubt that the Ruskies are much more interested in developments in Baku than the fate of Gazans.

Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 156

Via Journalist Ayman Hanideq
“Why are the workplaces of the other journalists killed in the bombing of Nasser Medical Complex not mentioned, while the focus is on the workplaces of those who work for Arab media outlets only, without mentioning the workplaces of the rest, all of whom work for foreign media outlets?
-The news is being spread in such a way that you only know where Mohamed Salama works as a photographer with Al Jazeera, while the rest of the colleagues are mentioned without their workplaces, in the following format:
-Journalists Hossam Al-Masry, Mariam Abu Daqqa, and Moaz Abu Taha were also martyred.
▪️The most important thing right now, people, is to mention that Hossam El-Masry is a photographer with Reuters. Please mention his place of work, because Reuters has sided with the Israeli narrative regarding the killing of journalists in Gaza, and there has been a protest within the agency.
▪️The most important thing is to mention that Mariam Abu Daqqa works with several international media outlets, including the Independent and AP. Mariam is not an anonymous journalist. Say she is with the Independent and AP.
▪️The most important thing is to mention that Moaz Abu Taha works with the American NBC network. They repeated the word American a thousand times.
-Using a news story that cites the martyrdom of the Al Jazeera cameraman alongside other journalists gives the impression that the Al Jazeera cameraman was the sole target. This is a formula that reassures other foreign media outlets whose journalists Israel is exterminating in Gaza. Most of these outlets do not like to see their names associated with the victims’ identities, in order to ease their biased consciences toward the perpetrator.
Journalist Ameed Shehadeh”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 157

Re expulsion of the native americans by settlers, there were some 30,000 natives in present day Kansas, an area of 80,000 square miles. Before the Europeans arrived they had no domesticated animal except the dog, no written language, no metallurgy, no compass, and so on. And no Gospel. The natives were a stone age people confronted by a more developed European in every way. The arrival of Europeans was beneficial. Kansas tribes were constantly at war with each other. Many willingly embraced the advanced culture of they settlers.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 15:10 utc | 158

Israel is going berserk in its latest killing spree.
Posted by: teri | Aug 25 2025 13:39 utc | 141
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I fear we haven’t seen the worst yet.
The worse things become, the crazier Israel will behave.
The baseline for Zionists is already completely insane.
These “people” want to destroy the world to bring forth the Messiah. Billions dying.
That’s their plan.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:14 utc | 159

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:05 utc | 154
Ah, a genocide denier. Nice.

Posted by: Meh | Aug 25 2025 15:15 utc | 160

Let us recall that according to some, up to one million of the Izzynazis currently exterminating Palestininans are dual Ruskie-Izzy “citizens.” . . .
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Aug 25 2025 15:06 utc | 156
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IMO this is an important point.
I have long speculated that the influx of Soviet Jews strongly influenced Israeli society and politics in a negative direction (not that there was much to approve of, but it still was possible to add a new negative load).
I have gone back and forth with my Moscow penpal (we have been corresponding since well before the events in the Ukraine in November 2013) on Putin/Russia’s stance toward the Gaza genocide and the role of a possible fifth column in Russia exerting pressures similar to the Israel Lobby in the USA .
What he wrote most recently seems to confirm this view: “It is not easy to understand the Putin’s attitude to Russian/Jewish people with no loyalty to Russia. . . . there are many supporters of these people [Russian Jewish Zionists] among West-oriented officials in Russia, and Putin does not want to destabilize the political situation at home by taking radical actions against this group, which is called sometimes in Russia “The Sixth column.”
In addition it is quite possible that Russia will throw the Pals under the bus to achieve security on another portion of their borders. But to me it seems extremely shortsighted to ignore the larger danger of empowering a rabid Greater Israel, a potential challenger many of whose “citizens” hate Russia and are all in with the long-term Western Goal of dismembering and neutralizing Russia in all sorts of ways.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:20 utc | 161

Voice of Gaza
– “Channel 12 reported that an Israeli security official claimed that there was a camera on the roof of Nasser Hospital that documented our forces and was being used by Hamas. The forces received permission to bomb the camera with a drone, but instead, they fired two tank shells—one at the camera and then one at the ambulance crews [and reporters] [who appeared] there.”
[Note the play by occupation of “Hamas camera” being the target.
]
– No comment:
https://t.me/Military_Security/7405
– Drone spotting, not sure if related:
https://t.me/gazanewsnow2021/210938
– “Journalist Hassan Dahhanas martyred as a result of gunfire from occupation vehicles in the vicinity of Al-Istabil Street in the Mawasi area of ​​Khan Yunis.” Madinatkhanyuns
“”The extent of the destruction is beyond description” as a result of the occupation’s aggression on the Ashqola area, southeast of Gaza.”
https://t.me/NewsPs0/217029
– Khan Yunis
https://t.me/NewsPs0/217030
– Gaza City (content warning)
https://t.me/NewsPs0/217022

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 15:24 utc | 162

LoveDonbass 153
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Can’t you read, birdbrain?
Or just can’t be bothered because you prefer to fling shit?
Or, perhaps you are on drugs.
I wrote in response to Siddharta’s question:
“So, I think the general situation in North America might be characterized as ethnic cleansing and resultant deaths with some more specifically genocidal incidents and chapters. ”
This twit LB will, unfortunately, continue to spurt out bird turds on a regular basis.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:33 utc | 163

Re expulsion of the Jews: I found a site that catalogued 1030 expulsions
Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 14:14 utc | 146
The point is that Jews catalogue every minor infraction in immense detail. If Muslims did that, there would be no end to the catalogue.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2025 15:40 utc | 164

R2R with Dimitri Lascaris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAKM9cst3pE
Genocidal Zionist ‘influencer’ Dahlia Kurtz sues Roger Waters and Yves Engler…

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 15:51 utc | 165

” At least 2 other journalists, including one from the international news agency Reuters, were killed…”
it seems undeniable that the locations of journalists are being used in targeting.
My only question is how that information is being obtained.
that entire process should be highlighted as the techwar crime it is.
beyond all previous practices.
without a nanoparticle of vestigial scruples.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Aug 25 2025 16:42 utc | 166

Re 164 and the 1030 expulsions of the Jews: the site was not a Jewish site. It was a compilation by historians. The 1030 expulsions catalogued the granular details about expulsions cited from historical works.
The point is that the Jews have had more than a thousand severe run-ins with their hosts, mostly European Catholics. The catalogue is a criticism of Jews, not hosts.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 16:43 utc | 167

Whitey came along to take out the bad guys, again with “democracy”. Yeah, sure.
Here is the thing.
I have worked and lived among many Maori. You can’t tell me what I have first hand experience with.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 15:05 utc | 154
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OK, LB is a person of color.
With humongous chip on shoulder.
That explains a lot (but does not excuse it).
“Living among Maori” and “firsthand experience” do not make one an expert on Maori history.
According to Google’s AI,

“Yes, Maori people practiced slavery, notably through the Moriori genocide of the 1830s, where invading Maori tribes enslaved the indigenous Moriori people of the Chatham Islands, though the term “slave” is complex and should be understood within its historical context, not as a direct parallel to the transatlantic slave trade.”
NB: The reason that Slav ==>> “slave” is most likely because many Slavs were taken as slaves. But it is A-OK with Birdbrain if the slaves are WHITE!! No compassion for any white person.
Per Google’s AI:

“The English word “slave” comes from Old French esclave, which derives from the Medieval Latin sclavus, meaning “Slav” or “slave”. This shift in meaning occurred because Slavs were frequently captured and enslaved in large numbers during the early Middle Ages, particularly by the Holy Roman Empire. The Latin sclavus itself comes from the Byzantine Greek sklabos, a term for “Slav,” which is related to the Slavs’ own name for themselves, the Slověnci.”

Anyone who is familiar with the work of Lewis Mumford will grasp that before there were machines there were slaves or humans in harness (metaphorical) by another name. Slaves were the “engines” of human progress, if progress is seen as a capacity to produce some kind of surplus to fuel other activities besides food gathering.
According to Google’s AI:
“Lewis Mumford argued that the first machines were not made of metal or wood, but of enslaved human beings. In his book The Myth of the Machine, he refers to this concept as the “megamachine,” which first emerged in ancient, authoritarian civilizations.”

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 16:54 utc | 168

“the site was not a Jewish site.”
Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 16:43 utc | 167
Maybe not, but only Jews are interested in documenting themselves in such meticulous detail (in order to prove how they’ve suffered, even if the why is not explicit).

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 25 2025 16:55 utc | 169

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151
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Why is it so difficult for you to admit that America was founded with ethnic cleansing?
It’s not a controversial take in 2025.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 14:56 utc | 153
Do you LD believe that the Aztecs killed 80,000 Indigenous captives in three days? So genocide was already in America before Whitey showed up…hmmmnn..
Genocides have been/are/and will be caused by humans of all colours; by you selecting Whitey ubiquitously as being the genocider THEN YOU ARE RACIST by definition
Fuck off.

Posted by: canuk | Aug 25 2025 17:10 utc | 170

Re 169. No, the list of 1,030 expulsions is written in such a way as to present the details of an enormous rap sheet. There is nothing exculpatory in it.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 17:12 utc | 171

Let’s just wrap this up, hopefully for good:
LoveDonbass has repeatedly looked for opportunities to shit-fling the “Genocide Jane” label at me on various MoA threads. Generally these are total non sequiturs. She grounds this behavior in her conviction that I wrote “The natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.”
I did not write this, nor have I implied it in anything that I have written.
The official final verdict on LB and her “Genocide Jane” shit flinging:
Birdbrain LoveDonbass just makes up shit.
When challenged, she turns into a weasel.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 17:41 utc | 172

This is how George the Zeroth thinks: If Zionists don’t eradicate the Palestinian people, someone else will. Do you think the Palestinians are more angelic, holier than Zionists? The Palestinians would have colonized, oppressed and exploited Zionists if a historical accident favored the Palestinians. Zionists are not racists because Zionists believe that everyone else is just as depraved as they are.
Posted by: All Under Heaven | Aug 25 2025 12:53 utc | 134
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Wrong, putting words in my mouth that never came out of it, making baseless assumptions, so let me set the record straight:
Do I think Palestinians are more angelic, holier than Zionists? (or anyone else?) No.
That’s not the point.
Are Zionists horrendously twisted, evil racist tribalists simply seeking total dominance over (or the extermination of) the Palestinians? Yes, of course the are!
Do I think “If Zionists don’t eradicate the Palestinian people, someone else will”? No, that would be massively missing the obvious, in-our-faces point, which is that right now the Zionists are the only ones who are actively trying to accomplish that (with the total connivance of the US, of course).
My earlier point—that it could as easily have been dark-skinned folks who oppressed the rest of the world—was simply an overarching observation about human history in general, from a man-from-Mars point of view; it does not apply to the present situation in Gaza/West Bank, etc. No equivocation there on my part.
Hope this clears things up.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 18:54 utc | 173

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 14:45 utc | 151
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Why is it so difficult for you to admit that America was founded with ethnic cleansing?
It’s not a controversial take in 2025.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 14:56 utc | 153
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While I think that you may have unfairly mischaracterized Jane’s statements to suit your own prejudices, I do think what we should be able to agree with your statement above without having to engage in Talmudic dissections of the term “ethnic cleansing”.
Only some kind of monster would argue that what was done to the original inhabitants of the Americas, particularly North America was not a tragedy and a travesty, and not at all an inadvertent one but one pursued with intent and purpose.
Works for me, anyhow.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174

I do not understand the problem with conceding that the US was built by the conquest of the land, usually driving out the previous inhabitants, many of whom disappeared, either directly killed or from loss of habitat. The essence of bourgeois democracy is class collaboration, a compact where the propertied classes are guaranteed their property no matter what, while the lower classes are consulted in elections that choose which faction of the ruling class operates the state machinery for its term. The thing is, what is the project the classes collaborate on? First, the preservation of the state. Second, conquest. Bourgeois democracy pretends is “Us” vs. “Them.” Historically the more dire the need of the rulers for manpower, the more powerful the masses were. The very notion of a peaceful state is either an empire that wishes its empire to be preserved without threat of war from outsiders, or a superficial concession to the sentiments of the masses (especially socialist parties.) Unlike the bourgeoisie, the workers have no real, existential interest in conquest.
Bourgeois democracy is a great advance on feudalism. And bourgeois democracy is much better than fascism, it’s evil twin (fascism is also a form of bourgeois state.) My feeling is that everyone should favor, even defend bourgeois democracy until it can be replaced by something better. And replacing it with something worse, fascism (or anarchy,) is reactionary, even when covered by left-sounding phrases.
So yes, the American Revolution was a great thing (and the Founders great men—but the Framers are not quite the same group, are they?) And the US conquered the Indians, leading to the deaths of most of them. It’s what bourgeois democracy does. It was great then, but it’s time to move on.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 25 2025 19:14 utc | 175

The thing about the US expansion was that it was two different modes of production. The settler mode of production, agriculture etc. was superior in the only sense one society is superior to another, namely, more energy and matter appropriated from nature and turned to human uses. (By the way, some indigenous Americans did assimilate to US society on an individual basis, hence the many families claiming some fraction of Indian ancestry.) Technological superiority is the only superiority one culture can have over another. All peoples are basically equal in intelligence, complexity of culture, expressiveness of language, value as humans.
The thing about Zionist expansion is that the Palestinians are just as capable of industrial civilization or bourgeois democracy as the Zionists. Their lives are worth just as much. And unlike the past, there is no problem of a technological superiority, no clash of mode of production. There is no natural population growth of Zionist farmers whose children make their farms on seemingly empty hunting grounds, unrestrained by a weak central government whose gestures towards peace or worse, protections of indigenous lands, can’t be enforced. The Zionist government and its US paymaster could repress the settler movement, if it wanted. And only a handful of Zionists will ever benefit from the expansion into Gaza, most Zionist citizens will lose (not just money, but lives.) Most of all, there is something better than bourgeois democracies committed to eternal struggle, the hope of a socialist solution.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 25 2025 19:27 utc | 176

Some more on the intentional murder of journalists and medical staff at Nasser Hospital this morning.
A sixth journalist was killed in Khan Younis today, as well. The Israelis had just hit “publish” on their fake declaration of never killing journalists when an IDF stooge killed another.

A sixth journalist is now confirmed killed by Israel on Monday.
Prominent investigative journalist Hassan Douhan was the editor-in-chief of Gaza’s al-Hayat al-Jadida, and trained many rising journalists in the enclave. 
He was shot dead by Israeli soldiers in Khan Younis, according to the Gaza media office.
In addition to the five journalists killed earlier in the day in the bombing of Nasser Hospital, the total number of Palestinian journalists killed since 7 October 2023 now stands at 246. 
“>https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/sixth-journalist-confirmed-killed-israel-monday-gaza-media-office?nid=427184&topic=Israel%2527s%2520genocide%2520in%2520Gaza&fid=547447

Jeremy Scahill is a great writer and American journalist. He has been covering Gaza on his (fairly) new website, Drop Site News. He has spoken out today about Israel and the killing of witnesses:

Israel is systematically killing witnesses to genocide: Journalist
Jeremy Scahill, co-founder of Drop Site News, says Gaza is enduring a “war of annihilation and extermination”.
“Israel is trying to systematically murder the witnesses to its genocidal actions, to the burning of children alive in tents, to the forced starvation of people and massive bombing of whole cities, razing them to the ground,” he told Al Jazeera from Zadar in Croatia.
Scahill said the “double tap” strike used by Israel to kill the journalists at Nasser Hospital was pioneered by the US during the infamous “war on terror” – when an initial drone strike would be followed by another attack to kill those trying to help the victims.
He said Western news organisations also contributed to “systematically dehumanising” Palestinians from the start of the war, and “serving as conveyor belts for the lies of an Israeli regime intent on wiping Palestinians off the map”.
“>https://aje.io/ej259o?update=3907511

Trump is upset that the IDF has not finished the job, so now he is saying that the “war” will be over in 2 or 3 weeks. He says “people” are dying, but declines to mention who exactly is doing the killing and who is being killed. This morning, I heard some of Trump’s remarks on sending armed National Guards and other troops into Chicago as the next breaking of the posse comitatus law. He said, and I quote, “Everyone knows Chicago is the Killing Fields.” He is comparing an American city to the slaughter of millions of Cambodians under Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, whom we, um, “inadvertently” helped. I can’t believe the shit that comes out of this fool’s mouth. He knows nothing about anything, but never shuts up.

The US president says the war in Gaza should end.
“I think within the next two to three weeks, you’re going to have pretty good, conclusive ending,” Trump told reporters.
The US president has previously promised an end to the war, but his statements have not materialised.
The Trump administration has supplied Israel with billions of dollars in weapons and rejected international efforts to recognise a Palestinian state.
“It’s got to get over with because between the hunger and all of the other problems – worse than hunger, death, pure death – people [are] being killed,” he said.
Earlier this year, Trump suggested removing all Palestinians from Gaza – a plan that would amount to ethnic cleansing, a crime against humanity.
“>https://aje.io/ej259o?update=3907698

Posted by: teri | Aug 25 2025 19:30 utc | 177

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174
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Who are you?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:38 utc | 178

My earlier point—that it could as easily have been dark-skinned folks who oppressed the rest of the world—was simply an overarching observation about human history in general, from a man-from-Mars point of view; it does not apply to the present situation in Gaza/West Bank, etc. No equivocation there on my part.
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 18:54 utc | 173
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That idiotic and uninformed worldview is very favorable to the genociders.
Islam is not Buddhism.
The Talmud is not the King James Bible.
China is not the UK.
Moral equivalency is often the refuge of moral cowards and scoundrels.
How about stopping killing and stealing? Be better. Be human.
If Europeans want to live socially like parasites, don’t be surprised when the exterminators show up.
White European culture (degeneracy, empire, colonialism) is dying on its own because it is not fit for human progress or flourishing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:44 utc | 179

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:06 utc | 174
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Who are you?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:38 utc | 178
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Not sure how to answer that; I’m … me?
BTW: who are you?
You did notice, BTW, that I was agreeing with a statement of yours there, no?

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 19:47 utc | 180

Arabs
>> Ethno-linguistic Group: Arabs are people whose native language is Arabic.
>> Geographical Distribution: They primarily reside in 26 countries across North Africa and the Middle East, including Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Morocco.
>> Diversity: While most Arabs are Muslims, there are significant non-Muslim communities, such as Christians and Jews.
Islam
>> Religion: Islam is the faith that Muslims follow, centered on the belief in one God (Allah) and the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad.
>> Core Belief: The central tenet is the shahadah, the declaration of faith stating, “There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is His messenger.”
>> Practices: Islam includes five main practices, known as the Five Pillars, which guide the lives of Muslims.
Muslims
>> Followers of Islam: A Muslim is someone who practices Islam. The term means “one who submits” to Allah.
>> Global Population: Muslims are diverse and can be found worldwide, with less than 15% being Arabs. The largest Muslim populations are in countries like Indonesia, Pakistan, and India.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 25 2025 19:58 utc | 181

My earlier point—that it could as easily have been dark-skinned folks who oppressed the rest of the world—was simply an overarching observation about human history in general, from a man-from-Mars point of view; it does not apply to the present situation in Gaza/West Bank, etc. No equivocation there on my part.
Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 18:54 utc | 173
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That idiotic and uninformed worldview is very favorable to the genociders.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 19:44 utc | 179
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How so? That only shows that you seem to totally misunderstand what I’m getting at here, which I believe has some merit. So I’ll try to explain it once again.
What I’m saying is there is nothing inherent in any “race” (there’s that discredited concept again!) or culture on earth that would, in theory, prevent them from having become the dominators and exploiters of the rest of the world, had conditions allowed for that to happen.
As things turned out, it was mainly white people, broadly speaking, mainly Europeans, who took on this role and became the colonizers and expansionists and exterminators.
But it could have just as easily have been, say, black Africans, had events evolved differently. In other words, there are no inherent deficiencies in that group of people that would have prevented them from becoming the oppressors, had technology, climate and other conditions worked in their favor. Does that make sense?
All of which is pretty well the case made by that book I mentioned earlier, Guns, Germs and Steel.
None of which is in any way, shape or form an attempt to excuse or downplay or rationalize the actions of the current oppressors: specifically in the case of Israel/Palestine, the Zionists (with the total connivance of the Americans and to some extent Europeans). On that we agree.
Now if you’re trying to drive in wedges here to suit your prejudices, I suppose there’s really nothing I can say to defend myself against them. If that’s the case then I’ll just leave well enough alone here.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182

steven t. johnson 176 – yawn, snore, yawn………..

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 25 2025 20:08 utc | 183

In other words, in case you missed the underlying idea: people are people.
Human nature is essentially the same among cultures, populations and regions.
No culture has a monopoly on virtue, nor on evil.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:09 utc | 184

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182
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I am talking about how beliefs matter. If Rabbis say that it is ok to have sex with a 3-year-old girl, because her hymen will grow back (true story), that is not the same as any other culture that finds raping 3-year-olds abhorrent in any situation.
You say they are the same. Just people being people. Very Jewish, very progressive. LOL

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 20:18 utc | 185

@182 George
Differences of view maybe:
One says the person is ultimately responsible for their own actions, another says that circumstance shapes the actions of a person.
So it could be understood the second idea as being an excuse, or the first idea could be viewed as judgemental, idealist or hypocritical .
Not sure how to resolve that difference, but the debate is of interest.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 25 2025 20:20 utc | 186

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 20:02 utc | 182
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I am talking about how beliefs matter. If Rabbis say that it is ok to have sex with a 3-year-old girl, because her hymen will grow back (true story), that is not the same as any other culture that finds raping 3-year-olds abhorrent in any situation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 20:18 utc | 185
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OK, fair enough.
No, that is certainly not the same.
Let me clarify a bit further:
When I say “culture”, I’m taking a “man-from-Mars” view of a segment of the human population.
Let’s take Jews for an example: my use of “culture” here would encompass all of Judaism, which as we know has many variations, from liberal to conservative to off-the-wall Hasidism. So “culture” here would mean the overall, predominant culture, which even in the case of Jews certainly does not condone the rape of 3-year-olds. That belief you mentioned is what statistically would be called an “outlier” on the scatter plot of attitudes, which we can therefore discount for the sake of my thesis.
When I claim that black Africans could just as easily have become the oppressors, that’s taking black African culture in toto, with all its variants. The core of that culture, the statistical mean, has just as much competence as any other cultural core, and roughly the same distribution of human weaknesses (i.e., the urge to dominate and oppress) as any other culture. Can you see this as valid?
Every culture has its meshuggah elements, its outliers (like, say, the Mormon polygamists), so let’s not cherry-pick those as being representative of the overall culture. Just as some Muslims are accused of carrying on the Prophet’s child-molesting ways (true story as well): this is another unfair brush used to tar the entire group of adherents to Islam.
I admit it’s a messy, problematic argument, and I think we’re in a better place now to discuss it, if that’s what folks here want to do. There’s a lot of nuance, just as there is in human nature and in the world in general.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 21:07 utc | 187

Seems that Bahrain and UAE military bases are evacuated of personnel, all the weapons and AD sent to genocidals.
Russian role under question, and i suspect them to be traitors.
Thank you to Ornot, Michael, terri etc.
To a person Jane and similar, just shut up and stop polluting the threads with your stupidity.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 21:12 utc | 188

Look at the power of the bombs Israel is dropping on Yemen (in civilian areas no less) :
https://www.rt.com/news/623485-israel-strikes-yemens-presidential-compound/
Now compare this with the rinky-dink Shaheed drones and Iskander missiles Russia is using in Ukraine.

Posted by: bored | Aug 25 2025 21:14 utc | 189

LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 20:18 utc | 185
I hope you like this
“….. a large part of the …. knowledge that Giordano Bruno had acquired came from the ancient, forbidden books of the Church, to which he had access as a monk. His revolutionary ideas contradicted a world sunk in ignorance and contradicted those imposed by Catholic doctrine.
Bruno postulated that the sun was also a star, that the universe was infinite, and that there were an infinite number of worlds inhabited by animals and intelligent beings. He was convinced that Christianity was a lie and that the popes and high Christian officials were useless, fanatical, and dishonorable men inspired by evil geniuses and lacking imagination.
According to Bruno, humanity is disconnected from its divine side because a malignant doctrine makes communication with the divine impossible.
In theological terms, he also differed greatly from the Church, since for him both the universe and nature were God. He believed that the Earth and the universe were intelligent beings.
This philosopher defended the existence of an endless universe and infinite inhabited worlds against the idea of creation postulated by the Church. He thought that there is no reality in this world that does not have a spirit and intelligence. He believed that we are eternal, that we exist before and after this world, and that when a person dies, their soul passes into another body. He argued that the Earth was an intelligent being with feelings and a soul. For him, Christ was not the Son of God, but an exceptionally skilled magician.
It was his penchant for magic that brought him a long list of accusations. For the magician, imagination, or fantasy, was very powerful. He was convinced it was the key to reaching a living being. According to his writings, the magician can influence objects, individuals, and societies.
Most shocking, however, is the presence of invisible beings, heroes, and demons. The Gnostics called the latter archons. …..
Bruno claimed to communicate with the gods in a sacred language contained in Egyptian hieroglyphs, as these possessed great demiurgic power. He held the view that there was a technique in magic that could be used as an instrument of individual or mass manipulation—something unknown at the time. Today, the art of mass manipulation is used by advertising, politics, religion, and the powers behind the scenes.
As Bruno mentions in a teaching on magic, another important element that the magician had to consider was faith, for without it, nothing can happen. The magician or manipulator knows how to control the masses, but the rest of the mortals are subjugated, without realizing it, by other people or by invisible beings they don’t even know exist.
Bruno constantly warned about the dangers of magic, because if one isn’t careful, the magician can transform himself into an instrument controlled by spirits or invisible entities.
There are actions that are performed by humans themselves, but there are also many other actions that are induced by other humans who practice magic or by demons. This is why knowledge of the art of manipulation was so important to Bruno, so that no one controls our lives, and we ourselves are the ones who truly control them, not the demons or other evil sorcerers who try to direct and control humanity.”

Posted by: swiss | Aug 25 2025 21:15 utc | 190

Re 182: it is true that the line between good and evil runs through the center of every human heart – Solzhenitsyn
The West excelled materially in large part because of the pursuit of science, early prescribed by the bishops of Oxford and Paris in 1277 AD. And because of the Franciscan embrace of experiment.
And the exalted learning of the West owing to the Christian insight that the world and its Creator are ordered toward Reason.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 25 2025 21:30 utc | 191

Zionists underground manufacturing weapons

🇮🇷 There is a major purge of Israeli agents underway in Iran, during which something simply unreal is happening. Entire underground factories for manufacturing weapons, drones, etc. are being found there

image
https://x.com/SprinterExpres0/status/1960092347334586475
Those are machined metal parts. I have no idea what they would be for. It could be a generic picture.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 21:51 utc | 192

Really have not so much time, thus appreciate Ornot, Michael, Arch, JB, Gilberts …
Because you contribute.
Jane and Canuck are always garbaging the threads, one is an ugly american self serving fat housewife the other an ugly canadian, always rubishing, never contributing to the topic.Always destructing.
You two have to shut up as you are obvious destruction, who do you serve, cunts?
It is obvious.
Just shut up and let the adults take over.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:02 utc | 193

The Cradle: Ep 107
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gfL4sOor4o
“Israel unleashes hell on Palestine.”
‘Who’s providing the industrial equipment to demolish entire villages?. (AMERICA) and uprooting thousands of olive trees…this is collective punishment…deeply connected to the Palestinian people…’

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 194

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 15:33 utc | 163
Stop derailing the threads, no one cares about you stupid cow.
You have read few books, really?
We have more important things to care about here.

Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 195

Posted by: stranger | Aug 25 2025 22:21 utc | 195
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You don’t get to tell others to stop posting here.
That’s not how this works.

Posted by: George the Zeroth | Aug 25 2025 22:30 utc | 196

@Ornot | Mon, 25 Aug 2025 20:20:00 GMT | 186

One says the person is ultimately responsible for their own actions, another says that circumstance shapes the actions of a person.
So it could be understood the second idea as being an excuse, or the first idea could be viewed as judgemental, idealist or hypocritical .
Not sure how to resolve that difference, but the debate is of interest.

Indeed. I posit that those two positions do not generally resolve, but represent two pure cases of a usually more complex and nuanced situation. FWIW, I’ve always thought that the association of these in the form of political ideologies of “left and right” is one of the more helpful attempts at illustration of the two cultures.
Again to my point, rather than give an exhausting argument, I shall refer to Clausewitz (or was it Moltke?) on the practice of warfare. He claims that three distinct factors are at play for a commander: prudent planning, aggressive emotion, and sheer luck. We find that those factors do not readily reduce into each other; and so it is, or might be, with the original question above.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 25 2025 22:46 utc | 197

I did not write this, nor have I implied it in anything that I have written.
The official final verdict on LB and her “Genocide Jane” shit flinging:
Birdbrain LoveDonbass just makes up shit.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 17:41 utc | 172
Yes, you are right. And many have noticed LD’s numerous contradictions. I see you and Canuk are exclusively named by poster “stranger” above for derailing threads, but that blame is purely due to perceived ideological impurities. Many ideological posters will overlook “derailing a thread” if their side does it.
That said, you should let your good contributions speak for themselves, and consider not getting so wrapped up defending yourself against LD’s (and other’s) strawman attacks on your character. LD is successfully trolling you. I do appreciate your comebacks, but at some point one should just let the strawman attacks slide like “water off a duck’s back”. Easier said than done, I know.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 25 2025 23:04 utc | 198

JN: Scott Ritter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubtMjnidLsc
The complicity of USA in these crimes is absolute.”

Posted by: John Gilberts | Aug 25 2025 23:23 utc | 199

That said, you should let your good contributions speak for themselves, and consider not getting so wrapped up defending yourself against LD’s (and other’s) strawman attacks on your character. LD is successfully trolling you. I do appreciate your comebacks, but at some point one should just let the strawman attacks slide like “water off a duck’s back”. Easier said than done, I know.
Posted by: ThouShalt | Aug 25 2025 23:04 utc | 198
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Your “advice” is not only unasked-for (worst kind), but, obviously, superfluous.
I hope you can understand this basic fact.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 23:35 utc | 200