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August 24, 2025
Palestine Open Thread 2025-193

News & views related to the war in Palestine …

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Reposted from 8/20:
AIPAC darling, Missouri rep Wesley Bell returned from Israel to be greeted with chants “Liar Liar Genocide Denier!” Booed off stage. Sent in goons to assault his “constituents.” Vid at link.
https://x.com/TrackAIPAC/status/1959024757254524942
Posted by: Mary | Aug 24 2025 10:44 utc | 110

Posted by: Mary | Aug 24 2025 12:59 utc | 1

Address the scum’s conscience (and subconscious) whenever possible.
“Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide.”
“Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide.”
“Your conscience will always remember that you supported genocide.”

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 24 2025 12:59 utc | 2

Starved to death:

Gaza Strip Hospitals | Over the past 24 hours, eight new deaths were recorded due to starvation and malnutrition, including one child.
This brings the total number of deaths to 289, including 115 children
“>https://t-me.translate.goog/s/youseffares19?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en

Killed while seeking aid:

[…] These deaths bring the total number of Palestinians killed by Israeli fire while seeking food through Israel and the US-backed GHF distribution system established at the end of May, to 2,076, with more than 15,308 wounded.
“>https://www.middleeasteye.net/live-blog/live-blog-update/evening-recap-507?nid=427184&topic=Israel%2527s%2520genocide%2520in%2520Gaza&fid=547426

History of Gaza City; I assume this fairly brief article is correct. Apologies if someone knows of historical errors – if so, please correct. This is the city that the Israelis are currently obliterating with vengeance. This article reads that Gaza City is older than Rome and Athens. Israel wants to erase the entire history of this place and these people. [This is not the full article. I cut some for length.]

Gaza is one of the world’s oldest cities. It carries more than 4,000 years of history and stands at the heart of Palestine’s Mediterranean coast. Yet in today’s headlines, Israel’s attempt to wipe it from the map is treated as routine.
A City of Deep Roots
Gaza dates back to the Canaanite era around the 15th century BCE. Archaeological sites such as Tell es-Sakan show continuous human settlement since 3300 BCE. The pharaohs called it “Ghazzatu.” The Assyrians knew it as “Azati.” Crusaders named it “Gadres,” and Arabs settled on the name “Gaza.” Some scholars link the word to strength, while others say it means “the distinguished.”
Arab historian Yaqut al-Hamawi wrote that to “ghazza” someone was to honor them above others. Gaza’s very name carries meaning tied to resilience. […]
Modern Gaza and Resistance
Gaza has long stood at the center of Palestinian resistance. During the British Mandate, it was a hub of protest. Later, it became a frontline against Israeli occupation. Former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin, a Nobel Peace Prize laureate, once said he wished “the sea would swallow Gaza,” a remark that reflected Israel’s deep-rooted hostility toward the city.
Israel first occupied Gaza in 1967. The city became a focal point of the First Intifada in 1987, when neighborhoods like Shujaiya erupted in clashes. After the Oslo Accords, Israel pulled out of Gaza’s center but built settlements around it. In 2005, Israel withdrew its settlers but imposed a land, air, and sea blockade that continues today.
The Genocide
On October 7, 2023, Palestinian resistance launched Operation Al-Aqsa Flood in an attempt to break a 7-year-old Israeli siege. Israel responded with its most destructive campaign yet, announcing its intention to ethnically cleanse Gaza.
Entire neighborhoods were flattened. Shujaiya, al-Rimal, al-Tuffah, and al-Zaytoun were reduced to rubble. The Baptist Hospital massacre on October 17 killed more than 500 civilians, mostly women and children. Al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest medical complex, was stormed twice, leaving hundreds dead and its wards destroyed.
Markets, mosques, churches, schools, and even historic sites were targeted. The Church of Saint Porphyrius and the ancient Hammam al-Samra were both struck. No corner of the city was spared.
Daily Life Under Siege
Before the blockade, Gaza thrived as an economic center. It exported citrus, olives, strawberries, and flowers. Its factories produced textiles, furniture, soap, and glass. Tourism along the Mediterranean provided jobs. Fishermen supplied Gaza’s markets with fresh catches.
But since 2007, Israel’s siege has strangled the city. Industries collapsed. Farmlands were bulldozed. Exports stopped. By 2024, unemployment and poverty reached record levels. Families relied on aid to survive, while students studied by candlelight.
Still, Gaza’s culture survived. Its mosques and churches, its embroidery and poetry, and its neighborhoods like al-Shati refugee camp remained symbols of resilience.
Cultural Landmarks
Gaza is rich in heritage. The Great Omari Mosque is one of Palestine’s oldest mosques. The al-Sayyid Hashim Mosque contains the tomb of the Prophet Muhammad’s great-grandfather. Al-Shifa Hospital, built in 1946, became the city’s main lifeline in wars.
Even under bombardment, these landmarks remind Palestinians that Gaza is more than rubble. It is history carved in stone.
A City That Refuses to Die
As Israel repeatedly announced its plan to erase Gaza City and force its more than one million residents to move south or face death, the city’s destruction is reported as if it were ordinary daily news.
To Palestinians, this framing is unbearable. How can the destruction of one of the world’s oldest cities, a place older than Rome or Athens, become routine?
Gaza is not only a battleground of the present. It is a living link to 5,000 years of human history. Destroying it would not just erase Palestinian life. It would rob humanity of one of its oldest cities.
“>https://qudsnen.co/a-city-rabin-dreamed-the-sea-would-swallow-how-attempts-to-wipe-out-4000-year-old-gaza-became-ordinary-news/

Posted by: teri | Aug 24 2025 13:32 utc | 3

How is hrt possiible that so called academic community, universities in the US and EU are totslly indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians.
But not only them, also the Arab street and elites.
Is this lack of emphaty and solidarity niy s clear sign of the moral degradation if mankind?
But why has that happened?

Posted by: vargas | Aug 24 2025 13:43 utc | 4

Those that support Netanyahu are supporters of a betrayer, they are betrayers themselves.
Netanyahu betrayed his own on Oct 7th. He set his own up **intentionally** to be overrun and captured by Hamas and then murdered them with the Hannibal Doctrine.
Those that support Netanyahu are supporters of a betrayer, they are BETRAYERS themselves.

Posted by: Otto Penn | Aug 24 2025 13:51 utc | 5

Blind Rage Atrocities are the hallmark of defeated militaries. See Rape of Manila or the US Army in SE Asia for exanple.
Imagine the frustration of poorly Trained IDF conscripts and weekend warriors being forced to go in yet again, only to be attacked by „ghosts“. That the IDF has suffered ~150,000 WIA and ~15,000 KIA might be kept hidden from the news media, but the IDF ground pounders know the score.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 13:52 utc | 6

How is hrt possiible that so called academic community, universities in the US and EU are totslly indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians.
But not only them, also the Arab street and elites.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 24 2025 13:43 utc | 4
How is it that the hasbara bots are still repeating this nonsense non-stop? On MoA, I mean (the MSM are in with the propaganda meme). It was all disproved years ago, even decades ago. You’d have thought that b would have banned them by now.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 24 2025 14:10 utc | 7

If you have the app delete it now, f*ck TikTok, and f*ck the Zionists.
“TikTok updated its content guidelines to prohibit labeling Israeli forces as “terrorists,” shortly after appointing a former Israeli soldier and self-described “proud Zionist” to oversee its so-called “anti-Semitism” policies.
TikTok appointed Erica Mindel as its new Public Policy Manager for Hate Speech 15 days before the ban was announced, according to users on X.
They also pointed out that the guidelines previously prohibited “all racial supremacy” but have now been narrowed to exclusively address “White supremacy.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 24 2025 14:13 utc | 8

How is hrt possiible that so called academic community, universities in the US and EU are totslly indifferent to the suffering of the Palestinians.
But not only them, also the Arab street and elites.
Posted by: vargas | Aug 24 2025 13:43 utc | 4
How is it you missed the global protests, even riots globally, including on university campuses?
Do you just emerge from a rock every few days to recite the same lines from a scrap of paper?.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Aug 24 2025 14:18 utc | 9

Zio-Monster and minister Israel Katz, using Hamas as an excuse to commit war crimes and to carry out a scorched earth policy in Gaza city.
“Former Israeli minister of military affairs and ex-chief of staff Moshe Ya’alon has said that the current minister, Israel Katz, effectively admitted to committing a war crime when he threatened to turn Gaza City into rubble like Rafah and Beit Hanoun during the military’s planned takeover.
Katz said on Friday that “the gates of hell will soon open over” Hamas fighters in Gaza — “unless they agree to Israel’s conditions for ending the war,” primarily the release of all captives and “their disarmament.”
“If they do not agree, Gaza, the capital of Hamas, will become Rafah and Beit Hanoun,” he added.
Both cities have been reduced to ruins following Israeli military offensives.
Katz’s comments came after the Israeli cabinet approved plans for a massive assault on Gaza City, despite widespread international and domestic opposition.
On Sunday, Ya’alon asserted that Katz’s comments are “an admission to committing a war crime — the evacuation of the residents and the destruction of their homes.”
“The intention to carry this out in Gaza City is clearly an illegal order,” said the ex-military official, calling for Israeli authorities to intervene and prevent the Gaza City offensive from going ahead.
He highlighted that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s cabinet is “messianic,” “evasive,” and “corrupt” and “does not serve” the Israeli regime, but rather “its grip on power”, while “neglecting” the captives.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 24 2025 14:28 utc | 10

“Even those who decided to flee the city to the south of the valley live in a quadruple deficit. Only the richest of the rich have $4,000 in cash to secure transportation, rent a house or produce, or buy a tent, rent a plot of land, and equip it with a bathroom, a water tank, and a small kitchen. This time, people will be killed for their inability, not for the decision to stay and endure. Most people do not have the physical or financial ability to flee again. Most people are hungry, exhausted, and bankrupt. Most people will stay because they have no other way.
Journalist Youssef Fares – The stricken city of Gaza”
“While the occupation tanks impose a siege on the city from the north, south and east, Gaza is in a state of denial of what is coming. Some of the wealthy are opening projects and shops, taking advantage of the entry of some goods. Large malls have reopened their doors with crazy prices. In the streets, families are active in family visits and even weddings – despite the hardship – there are those who are trying to escape from the fangs of thinking and obsessions by skipping what tomorrow holds. “We live every day as it comes.. We do not want to die a thousand deaths before death.” Many are optimistic about God’s imminent relief, and most are living in a state of denial of the tragedy. They see that the city they love is greater than destruction and tougher than demolition..
O God, we have good expectations of you
and your awaited relief .
Journalist Youssef Fares – Gaza ”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 14:33 utc | 11

An analysis via Al-Akhbar [/arab/856060/]
“Gradual escalation towards Gaza: The enemy begins a campaign to evacuate the city.
The Israeli occupation army is paving the way for an invasion of Gaza City, with displacement operations and mass massacres, under the guise of “humanitarian zones,” while reality confirms an Israeli deception masked by an American green light.
Youssef Fares Palestine
Gaza | While the Israeli security establishment estimates that the first week of September will mark the actual start of the operation to occupy Gaza City, which Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has dubbed “Operation Iron Fist” instead of “Gideon 2,” the Israeli military has begun applying a new level of pressure on the ground to displace residents from the city.
Over the past two days, airstrikes and bombings using booby-trapped robots have intensified, particularly in the Sabra neighborhood southwest of the city and the Zeitoun neighborhood southeast. Field pressure also shifted yesterday to Jabalia al-Balad, Jabalia al-Nazla, and the Saftawi and Sheikh Radwan neighborhoods, while the enemy army shifted from sending leaflets and broadcasting audio messages urging residents to evacuate, to intensive artillery shelling and committing mass massacres against them.
One of these massacres was committed on Al-Ghabari Street in the Abu Iskandar area of ​​the Sheikh Radwan neighborhood, where artillery shells struck a school housing dozens of displaced families, killing 12 civilians and wounding dozens more. This resulted in the displacement of hundreds of families who preferred to leave for an unknown destination rather than remain in the area, which is being subjected to continuous bombardment. In the Al-Sabra neighborhood, warplanes raided the neighborhood school, which was housing hundreds of displaced people, and carried out dozens of raids targeting residential buildings and inhabited homes. In total, the Ministry of Health recorded the deaths of approximately 60 citizens in separate Israeli raids yesterday.
The occupation army is conducting a major deception operation, deluding the world into believing that it is fulfilling its role in taking care of the humanitarian situation.
The forced displacement, which is expected to take a violent turn over the next two weeks, is paralleled by an Israeli propaganda campaign that is not matched by the facts on the ground. The occupation army claims it has begun establishing humanitarian zones by bringing in quantities of tents and tarpaulins, and has begun rehabilitating the European Hospital south of Khan Yunis to replace hospitals in Gaza City. The Coordinator’s page also published a call between an Israeli officer and a director in the Ministry of Health in Gaza, asking him to prepare a plan to transport equipment from the city.
This massive propaganda campaign is identical to a similar one launched by the Israeli occupation army prior to the raid on Rafah. However, the facts, both previous and subsequent, confirm that all Israeli statements are baseless, and that the occupation army is waging a massive deception, deluding the world into believing it is fulfilling its role in addressing the humanitarian situation, when in reality it is abandoning the displaced to their fate in the streets and open air, without any international support or relief efforts.
As part of the same deception campaign, the occupation authorities have, in recent weeks, allowed the entry of goods to only three merchants from Gaza. These merchants supply limited quantities of secondary food and luxury items sold at exorbitant prices, a fraction of which only the wealthiest residents of the Strip can afford. The entry of these items, such as fruits, vegetables, and chocolate sold in dollars, serves the occupation’s propaganda about flooding Gaza with goods and commodities. In reality, a kilogram of tomatoes costs more than $30, a kilogram of mangoes costs $40, a box of chocolates costs $100, and luxury items such as Nescafé cost $120.
As a result, the occupying army is heading toward invading and destroying Gaza City, while perpetrating a humanitarian and political deception, using negotiations and ongoing, fruitless procrastination as a cover for destruction and devastation, especially since it has received an American green light to continue the war to the fullest extent without any restrictions.” Al-Akhbar

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 14:37 utc | 12

Re: Erica Mindel at TicTok
Given her age, she is still a IDF reservist. She spent 2 years in the IDF which exceeds the 1 year minimum normally required of foreign volunteers. Suggests she is a hard core fanatic.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 14:38 utc | 13

Note for those catching up, heavy strikes on Yemen over the past hour or so.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 14:40 utc | 15

Not lack of empathy but pressured to the core.
Arab street: hybrid economic war, covid, extreme poverty.
Academia: job cuts every year, only the most obedient and the narcissists in need of an audience can survive.
Why can’t the BRICS start doing some brain drain, that is the real question.

Posted by: Minaa | Aug 24 2025 14:52 utc | 16

forced displacement = ethnic cleansing

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 14:53 utc | 17

🇻🇪 🇮🇱 Venezuela President Maduro: “They want to completely exterminate the reproduction of new generations of Palestinian Arabs. They believe that this is possible.”

Video
https://x.com/MonitorX99800/status/1959510279831650372

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 14:57 utc | 18

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 22nd August 2025: May be Useful to Some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-639 Covers Gaza and Middle East

Posted by: The Busker | Aug 24 2025 14:58 utc | 19

Merz still sending military aid to the Zionists.
” Israeli MoD Boeing 747 Freighter (4X-ICK) leave for Cologne, Germany, where it will pick up to 128 tons of Military equipment.
German Chancellor Merz on August 8th: “We will not authorise any exports of military equipment that could be used in Gaza until further notice.””
https://nitter.poast.org/MenchOsint/status/1959562029733187640#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 24 2025 15:02 utc | 20

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 14:53 utc | 17
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The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.
That people can claim to picket for Gaza and at the same time endorse America’s founding genocide…
It’s like those Christians who pray for Bibi as he massacres the innocent and helpless.
The human mind is a messy place.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 21

Bernard has linked to articles by Caitlin Johnstone several times in the recent past, so I’d like to suggest he follow her lead by not calling the slaughter in Palestine a war.
(He has referred to it as a war from the beginning in describing this column as “News & views related to the war in Palestine”)
Here’s what Johnstone wrote on 29 April this year:

Calling the Gaza genocide a “war” is like seeing a man beating a toddler to death and calling it a “fight”.

More by Johnstone in the same article:

So much evil hides behind calling this thing a war. If you accept that it’s a war then you have to take seriously arguments like “It’s a war, civilians die in war,” or “Hamas shouldn’t have started a war they can’t win.” If it’s a war then it has two sides who share comparable levels of responsibility for any bad things that happen during that time. If it’s a war then it’s taken as a given that Israel’s primary target is Hamas, and not the civilian population of Gaza in its entirety.
But it’s not a war, it’s a naked ethnic cleansing operation being carried out by a highly sophisticated military with the backing of the most powerful empire that has ever existed. It’s a globe-spanning power structure openly purging a Palestinian territory of Palestinian life using a full siege and the systematic destruction of all healthcare and civilian infrastructure, being resisted by a few thousand guys with homemade rockets and dwindling supplies. That’s not a “war”.

Posted by: Mark Mosby | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 22

https://x.com/i/status/1959630291716194698
DD Geopolitics
@DD_Geopolitics
🇾🇪 Ammunition and oil depots, along with the Presidential Palace, were targeted by Israeli airstrikes against Sana’a, Yemen.

Posted by: Mary | Aug 24 2025 16:04 utc | 23

Where is China ? Where is Russia ?

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 16:04 utc | 24

– How Israel Wages Game Theory Warfare –
https://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2009/08/28/how-israel-wages-game-theory-warfare/

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 16:19 utc | 25

Where is China ? Where is Russia ?
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 16:04 utc | 24
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https://maps.google.com/

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 16:26 utc | 26

Elijah J. Magnier 🇪🇺
@ejmalrai
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2h
The most recent Yemeni ballistic missile strike on Israel inflicted significant damage on multiple positions. The projectile was among Ansar Allah’s most advanced systems, equipped with twelve warheads that separated in flight above the target area. This technological leap left the Israeli military unsettled, underscoring both the sophistication Ansar Allah has achieved and the scale of destruction it could deliver in future confrontations. In effect, Yemen is using Israel as a testing ground for its evolving missile arsenal, signalling a capacity that extends beyond symbolic strikes to potentially strategic consequences.
As I mentioned before Western science is falling way behind that in the East (Yemen, Iran,PRNK,China and Russia). All of Israel is open to their missiles. Unless they accept a ceasefire it will never return to a ‘normal state’

Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 16:52 utc | 27

https://maps.google.com/
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 16:26 utc | 26 ”
Stop posting please.

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 17:00 utc | 28

“As I mentioned before Western science is falling way behind that in the East (Yemen, Iran,PRNK,China and Russia). All of Israel is open to their missiles. Unless they accept a ceasefire it will never return to a ‘normal state'”
Will ‘the east’ utilize its advanced weaponry to prevent what Israel is about to do to Gaza City?
‘Israelis’ should be told to evacuate and ‘Israel’ should be completely obliterated.
Period. End of story.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Aug 24 2025 17:19 utc | 29

– How Israel Wages Game Theory Warfare –
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 16:19 utc | 25
I see no sign in practice of Game theory being used. It may be being used, but I see no provable sign. all there is to see are the basic consequences of the policies of the early Zionists, e.g. Jabotinsky. If you commit to a policy of eternal war with the neighbours, then you have to choose certain paths, as Israel has done. No need for game theory. And there are certain consequences which will happen sooner or later, I can’t say when. Could be in a century. And that is the extinction of the state of Israel (not of the Jews who live there, of course). Expansion, over-expansion, and then defeat, inevitable as night follows day.

Posted by: laguerre | Aug 24 2025 17:25 utc | 30

” And that is the extinction of the state of Israel (not of the Jews who live there, of course).
Posted by: laguerre | Aug 24 2025 17:25 utc | 30 ”
Was it possible to cause the extinction of Nazism without the extinction of Nazis ?

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 17:37 utc | 31

Was it possible to cause the extinction of Nazism without the extinction of Nazis ?
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 17:37 utc | 31
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A question I have been dancing around for months.
Can a Nazi be rehabilitated? Can a pedophile be safe to privately care for children one day?
Does blood wash off, and things be “good as new”?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 17:47 utc | 32

https://x.com/mylordbebo/status/1959655043130327087/mediaviewer
US Sargeant w/20 years in army investigated as threat to national security for a post critical of Israel. Vid at link

Posted by: Mary | Aug 24 2025 17:58 utc | 33

” Can a Nazi be rehabilitated? Can a pedophile be safe to privately care for children one day?
Does blood wash off, and things be “good as new”?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 17:47 utc | 32 ”
” Historically, Jewish communities have been expelled from many places across Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa at different times over the last two millennia. Historians generally record over 100 documented expulsions between the Middle Ages and the early modern period. ”

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 18:01 utc | 34

RE: Where is China ? Where is Russia ?
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 16:04 utc | 24
It sure where China is, but Russia is busy helping the Central Bankers bring Syrian currency back into the fold…
https://www.rt.com/business/623471-syria-money-print-russia/
“Russia to print new Syrian banknotes – Reuters
Damascus plans to redesign and revalue its currency in a bid to restore confidence”
Printing new currency:
“Syria will **print the banknotes for its **redesigned and revalued currency in Russia, Reuters reported on Friday, citing sources. Damascus recently decided to give the severely devalued Syrian pound a makeover and remove two zeroes from the currency in order to ease transactions and restore confidence.“
Highlight (for me)
“Sources told Reuters one goal of the currency overhaul is to bring an estimated **40 trillion pounds circulating outside the formal financial system** under oversight. The new notes will also reportedly **no longer feature Assad or his father Hafez, **whose portraits appear on the 2,000- and 1,000-pound bills, respectively.”
“Husrieh said a time frame to introduce the new currency was still “under review,” but Reuters’ sources claimed the rollout is planned for ***December 8 – the*** first anniversary of Assad’s ouster.”**
About a year ago, I weighed the possibility that Russia was actually a NWO pawn, collaborator and that the Ukraine nonsense was a mechanisms used for all these supposedly 1000s of sanctions & the whole “tossing Russia out of the financial system” for Russia to run around and get all the outlier nations ( Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Malaysia) to open channels of trade/currency exchange, and loop them back into the Central Banking System, WHO trade via subjugation/contract.
Only because, their Banker, Navalina, couldn’t be more Western & WEF. In addition, the “resiliency” of Russia, even moving to 4th position, was a bit too fairytalish considering the “supposed” 32000 sanctions, 20% interest rate, just ridiculous reports of “domestic substitutions” in record time. Sure, Russia is capable of resiliency, but not the way and timing they have. All rather foolish.
Anyways, still do not know story of Russia’s Syrian report.
Differing accounts. I still hold that Assad is in fact dead.
Perhaps his wife and son are still alive. But regardless of all of that, obviously Russia has accepted HTS terror pact as official Syrian government (without an election) so as far as I’m concerned, they can never squeal/drone on about “Nazis” or Zelensky being “unlawful President of Ukraine.
Russia’s hypocrisy has risen to inexcusable levels anymore.
As for Russia WEF theory, not enough supportive evidence.
At the moment, they (Russia/Putin) are just following the Erdogan/Turkey model… doing what’s in their best interests and happy to double deal if it’s in their interest to do so.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:01 utc | 35

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 17:37 utc | 31
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And let’s ask ourselves a serious question, “Was Nazism ever extinguished”?
I don’t think a serious attempt was even made. The Japanese were wrecked, but many Nazis migrated to North America, and the first leader of NATO was a former Nazi.
Without getting too specific, I feel confident to broadly say that 90% of Western mythology is dishonesty.
No one likes being told that their self-image is a lie.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:04 utc | 36

How much does it cost to destroy Gaza?
19 AWST 2025 Hagai Amit
The operation of hundreds of heavy vehicles at high rents that consume thousands of liters of diesel fuel per day, thousands of cubic meters of concrete poured into tunnels, and hundreds of thousands of tons of substrate that were pumped into the IDF for the purpose of paving roads: The destruction of the Gaza Strip is apparently the largest engineering project ever undertaken in Israel – and one of the most expensive of them ■ It is carried out without an orderly directive from above
In the week that passed between the time work on this article began and the time these lines were published, hundreds of heavy Israeli vehicles destroyed hundreds, if not thousands, of homes in the Gaza Strip. The Ministry of Defense spent millions of shekels on this activity.
Never before in the history of Israel have so many houses and buildings been demolished in a row. The excavators, shovels and D9s in Gaza do not stop working for a moment – in a process that is not expected to stop. The Cabinet’s approval of the occupation of Gaza City guarantees Israeli forces many more months to demolish thousands of homes and buildings, given the destruction that accompanies any IDF occupation of the Gaza Strip.
In fact, in the Cabinet meeting, the voices of ministers who did not understand why Gaza was not destroyed like the other cities in the Gaza Strip were explicitly voiced. The approval granted on Sunday by the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) to renew the entry of tents and shelter equipment into the Gaza Strip – for the first time since the closure was imposed on the Gaza Strip in March – also mentioned that hundreds of thousands of Gazans will have to replace their remaining homes with tents. This is an unprecedented engineering event, which is taking place despite the fact that there is no official military policy or a decision made by the political echelon to demolish all the houses in the Gaza Strip. The policy comes from the field, from the commanders of the companies and battalions, for whom the buildings that remain standing endanger the lives of their soldiers.
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Officers who were asked about this explained that “no one demolishes buildings for fun,” but in practice, in the Gaza Strip, any building that remains standing is a threat, since every building can be booby-trapped, and in every building there can be a sniper or a tunnel shaft from which a Hamas member will come up and fire on our forces. From the point of view of the forces on the ground, the safest thing to do is to leave any territory in which the IDF operates flattened to the ground.
The dominant infrastructure companies that lease their services to the Ministry of Defence are not many. Among them are Talor Karadi; Assia Company; Olenik; Ofer Farm Company, owned by Alon Algali; and the Eran 14 company, owned by Eran and David Yifrach.
Each of them rents dozens of heavy tools to the Ministry of Defence. The income per working day is significantly greater than the remuneration for the same activity within Israel. If for regular work of heavy equipment, not for the Ministry of Defense, within Israel’s borders, the industry pays 3,500 shekels a day for the owners of the vehicle, the Ministry of Defense currently pays 5,000 shekels for a day of heavy equipment work in Gaza. Of this sum, about 1,200 shekels a day is transferred tothe operator of the vehicle, who if he worked in Israel would earn only two-thirds or a half of that amount.
Alongside the large companies, there are smaller contractors in Gaza, who lease 2-3 vehicles directly to the Ministry of Defence, and hundreds of reservists who operate the heavy equipment owned by the IDF. That’s why we bring in special teams of companies like ours,” says Lior Karadi, owner of Talor Karadi. Each team has at least five heavy tools. “For example, we come in with 8-12 tools. Such a team demolishes close to 100 buildings a day. And they work all the time. We have an executive arm for Gaza, with foremen and skilled workers. All the teams enter with IDF guards.”
“The demand leads to the fact that there are currently no heavy tools in stock with the importers. If you order a heavy vehicle from a company like Volvo, you’ll have to wait six or seven months for it to be delivered. That’s why last week we were in China to examine a large import of equipment for the mouth,” says Karadi. “The teams that demolish the buildings in Gaza flatten them to a height of zero, so that there won’t be even a pillar left standing – so that terrorists can’t hide behind it. In this way, even if there is a tunnel under the building, it is sealed with the waste.” Despite all this, Karadi says, “We would have preferred to build the country rather than destroy Gaza.”
Payment for daily use of heavy equipment – NIS 5,000 (compared to NIS 3,500 in routine)
Yafit Algali, the wife of Alon Algali, owner of a dirt farm, says: “We have been working with the IDF since the beginning of the war, and the scope of activity has increased over time. They went down during the ceasefire, and after the end of the ceasefire, we returned to activity with force and strength. We are doing what is necessary.”
Algali says, “The army has no choice. It’s a workforce and tools of a size that the IDF doesn’t have, and the cost of wages is obviously higher, because of the level of risk. Several of our vehicles were disabled and out of operation because of mortar shells fired at them.”
S., who operates heavy vehicles in the Gaza Strip, adds: “You have to be not afraid of the gunfire and shelling, and be prepared to drive in a Leopard armored personnel carrier from the border to Khan Yunis. There, you get on the excavator, and you get an order on the radio: ‘You see the White House on the right, take it down.’ That’s how you take down three to five houses a day.” According to him, “The tool belongs to one company, another contractor rents it from it – and he pays me 1,200 shekels a day instead of the 600 shekels I would earn in a regular place.”
“You have to not be afraid of the shots and shells, and be prepared to drive in a Leopard APC from the border to Khan Yunis. There you have to get on the exger, get an order on the radio: ‘You see the White House on the right – take it down.’ That’s how you take down 3-5 houses a day.”
S., who operates heavy equipment in the Gaza Strip – IDF forces in the southern Gaza Strip. To date, the army has brought nearly 250,000 tons of bedding into Gaza, mainly for the purpose of laying roads Photo: David Bachar
Demand is increasing in other areas
Each vehicle held by the Ministry of Defense in Gaza brings in 150,000 shekels a month to its owner. The costs of diesel fuel are at the expense of the Ministry of Defense. The cost of operating 500 heavy vehicles, for example, is approaching NIS 100 million a month. But the demand for heavy tools doesn’t end there.
According to Karadi, “The need stems from what is happening in Gaza, and certainly from the fact that another market has opened because of the need to demolish the buildings that were damaged in the Iranian attack – and before it. The effects of the attacks on Israel were also reflected in the area of waste disposal and the renovation that needs to be carried out in buildings. There is currently talk of an additional million tons of construction waste as a result of the demolitions created by the attacks in Israel.
Lior Karadi. “Today, it is estimated that there are 60-70 million tons of rubble in Gaza. The assessment of professionals and myself is that it will take 8-12 years to treat this waste.”
“We are carrying out work in Holon, we have carried out work in the entire Gaza envelope. And next week we’ll work in Beersheba. To this we must add that work has been opened inside the country to expand the bases of the Ministry of Defense, and projects such as the creation of organizing areas. It can be said that today most of the activity in the industry in which we operate is for the Ministry of Defense.”
In addition to the heavy equipment work, the infrastructure work industry is in demand from the Ministry of Defense in other areas. “Our concrete factories work much more,” says Karadi. “Besides the fact that we build and sell armored vehicles and safe rooms, our trucks and mixers have been recruited to seal tunnels. The amount of concrete that the army needs is insane. We are talking about thousands of cubic meters of concrete.”
Karadi adds: “The impact of the war is also felt, for example, in the quarry industry. It’s an industry that shouldn’t have any apparent influence. However, to date, the army has brought close to 250,000 tons of bedding into Gaza, mainly for the purpose of laying roads. We are trying to promote a pilot with the Ministry of Defense so that this will be done with recycled material. At the moment, they don’t give us permission to do so – not to use recycled materials from the rubble in the Gaza Strip and not materials from the rubble here in Israel.
“If they had given permission for it, they would have saved dozens, if not hundreds of millions of shekels. While there is the use of recycled materials in large quantities inside Israel, Gaza does not approve of it. The day we have to return the Gaza Strip to them, a day that I hope will not come, they will use this platform for reconstruction.”
“Today, it is estimated that there are 60-70 million tons of rubble in Gaza, and that it will take 8-12 years to treat this waste. This is waste that requires surgical work to treat, because some of the destroyed buildings are still booby-trapped. It has a lot of iron. And transporting it on the sandy ground of Gaza is complicated.”
Lior Karadi, owner of Talor Karadi – 12 Years of Waste Disposal
The IDF Spokesperson said: “The IDF is in the midst of a complex and intense fight against terrorist organizations in the Gaza Strip, including the Hamas terrorist organization, which uses civilian buildings and exploits them in a cruel and cynical manner for terrorist purposes. In this context, IDF forces repeatedly encountered buildings, roads, and infrastructure that were booby-trapped with powerful explosives that led to the death and injury of IDF soldiers.
“The IDF is required to manoeuvre through these complex areas in order to locate and dismantle Hamas infrastructure in accordance with the objectives of the war, and it is required to demolish buildings based on a clear military need and threats to IDF forces in the area. According to military orders, the destruction of property is done only when there is an operational basis that requires it, and the IDF has never had a policy that allows the deliberate destruction of civilian property.” (REALLY!!!!!!!!!)

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Aug 24 2025 18:13 utc | 38

Re: “American green light to continue the war to the fullest extent without any restrictions.” Al-Akhbar
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 14:37 utc | 12
Appears to be the green light of the world as well.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:17 utc | 39

Another OIC meeting and mores talks if that helps reassure anyone:
https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/08/24/753696/Iran-Saudi-Arabia-Araghchi-OIC-extraordinary-Gaza-
Iran FM in Saudi Arabia to attend OIC extraordinary meeting on Gaza
Sunday, 24 August 2025 5:53 PM [ Last Update: Sunday, 24 August 2025 5:53 PM ]
“During the two-day event, the participants will discuss the humanitarian disaster in the Gaza Strip, possible ways to put an end to Israel’s genocide against the people of Palestine, and bring the criminal Zionists to trial.
The OIC said the meeting will focus on the ongoing Israeli atrocities in Gaza and aims to coordinate member states’ positions and responses.”

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:25 utc | 40

Whilst the West still has a considerable arms industry and still backs the state of Israel unconditionally. The East must be careful in the use of its arms. It can only use it in a limited way, in the 12 day war they were used to great effect because Israel attacked first, and when a ceasefire was asked for they were obliged under Shi’sm to accept. We can only speculate on what support the East will give to the resistence in Gaza but Jon Elmer (electronic Intafarda) has shown that they are very effective urban guerilla fighters and will likely give the boy soldiers a bloody nose!

Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 18:26 utc | 41

The painter 31
Netanyahu is a Nazi. He has become his enemy, just as Trump has become Stalin.
Netanyahu now faces the collapse of Hitler’s dreams of world domination, and Trump faces the collapse of the US Empire.
Already I fear the next Hitler and the next Stalin. These Satanic energies won’t die with the humans they possessed. Palestine and the US will survive the possessed , Kashoggi mincing Gulf dictators and Armaggeddon Ukrainian Zionist Neocons.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 24 2025 18:26 utc | 42

Monty 41
More likely brains and intestines, inshallah.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 24 2025 18:31 utc | 43

Whilst the West still has a considerable arms industry
Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 18:26 utc | 41
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Does it really?
They “think” that they have a considerable industry, but the reality and statements surrounding arms transfers to Ukraine tell a different story.
Bombing Yemen right now. Every bomb for Yemen is one less bomb for Gaza or Iran.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:39 utc | 44

It is telling that the Yankees sent destroyers to Venezuela.
10 years ago, it would have been 2 aircraft carriers like they sent to Yemen.
All of the signs are there for those willing to notice them.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:43 utc | 45

Florida USA. Jimmy Door
Jimmy Dore and guest Ryan Cristián of the Last American Vagabond discuss Israel’s deepening economic crisis, noting a 3.5% GDP drop, collapsing investment, and reports of 46,000 business closures since October 7.*** They also highlight Florida legislation forcing local governments to buy unrated, high-risk Israel bonds after U.S. credit agencies downgraded them, with billions already purchased by Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties.”
NOTE: Bonds are “unrated” they are so bad.
“The conversation frames U.S. **guarantees of Israel’s debt as taxpayer-backed subsidies*** that mask financial instability, comparing it to disaster aid conditions tied to pro-Israel stances. The two suggest this may be part of a larger financial setup tied to a “technocratic transition” toward digital currencies, while criticizing bipartisan big-government spending that props up failing policies abroad.”
Not sure this accurate:
Dade: 200 Mil
Broward 5 Mil
Palm Beach 700 Mil
These are “local counties” purchasing.
Therefore, when they belly up, since Federally Subsidized,
ALL Taxpayers Pay.
Credit rating bad to unrated.
Private investors won’t touch.
So, dumped on taxpayers.
Good. Wake up time.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:45 utc | 46

RE: Netanyahu now faces the collapse of Hitler’s dreams of world domination, and Trump faces the collapse of the US Empire.
Posted by: Giyane | Aug 24 2025 18:26 utc | 42
Awaiting the arrival of the catalyst. The Jenga Blocks are built… a couple more pulls…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:53 utc | 47

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:45 utc | 46
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People who go on about “taxpayers” do not understand how Western governments work.
Taxes don’t matter to spending at all. They are (IMO) a social control mechanism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbHkXfEkQiw
That is why Russia has an attrition approach. The fighting ends when the enemy is dead, not when he “runs out of money”. One caveat, with what China is doing now and the lack of industrial base in America, the fighting ends when the enemy cannot make any more (metaphorical) bullets.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:57 utc | 48

Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:25 utc | 40
I am sure the Israelis are in great fear. The poodles are about to become unleashed.

Posted by: circumspect | Aug 24 2025 18:58 utc | 49

” It is telling that the Yankees sent destroyers to Venezuela.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:43 utc | 45 ”
One of them is an expandable asset, hence no carriers. Those will arrive later when “righteous vengeance” is needed.
” Venezuelan crude can be refined in several locations, PRIMARILY in the U.S. Gulf Coast. ”

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 19:03 utc | 50

RE: “The East must be careful in the use of its arms.”
Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 18:26 utc | 41
Did you mean “The West”?
If you meant the East, then I say:
“apply liberally and frequently” like the instructions of an infection you need to cure.
Manufacturing will keep up.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:04 utc | 51

Posted by: Geraint ap Iorwerth | Aug 24 2025 18:13 utc | 38
Thanks for posting thar most illuminating article on the nuts and bolts of Netanyhu‘s scorched esrth policy.
Note: article quotes an expert that 1 million tons of rubble needs to be cleared from Iran‘s 12 day strikes. Is a million tons a lot ? Asking for a friend…

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 19:09 utc | 52

RE: ” Venezuelan crude can be refined in several locations, PRIMARILY in the U.S. Gulf Coast. ”
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 19:03 utc | 50
As I understand it, China entered into joint adventure in 2024 to invest in building refinery in Venezuela.
Hence, the urgency of US to go screw it up.
They haven’t broken ground yet, but, Venezuela will refine its own crude and greater volumes in future.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:09 utc | 53

” It sure where China is, but Russia is busy helping the Central Bankers bring Syrian currency back into the fold…
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 18:01 utc | 35 ”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RAkErMYugo ??
” for Russia to run around and get all the outlier nations ( Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Malaysia) to open channels of trade/currency exchange, and loop them back into the Central Banking System, WHO trade via subjugation/contract. ”
Does anyone actually believe that Russia will attack the US if it were to go after North Korea ?
” The Treaty on Comprehensive Strategic Partnership says that if either country is invaded, the other one must provide military and other assistance.”

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 19:09 utc | 54

@39 Trubind
The rest of world forgot to switch off the lights before they left.
I cannot personally absorb that after two years we are still watching the same atrocity continue day in day out, it just does not register with my understanding of the world.
Since I can remember there has been war in or on the middle east almost continuously, but nothing like this, which is just a straight massacre of trapped civilians and destruction of their means and environment.
Seriously, it just does not register as occuring as it actually is.
Which is another reason I post about it, to make myself aware somehow.
And that is coming from someone who is no stranger to conflict, who has enough experience of society in the middle east to recognise exactly what people are being put through.
So what the rest of the world thinks, or doesn’t, or chooses to not consider more… I can understand that people cannot relate or comprehend to some degree… but the detail is so obvious it doesn’t need UN declaration or official presentation to figure it out…

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 19:11 utc | 55

RE: “I am sure the Israelis are in great fear. The poodles are about to become unleashed.”
Posted by: circumspect | Aug 24 2025 18:58 utc | 49
No, no fear at all. That’s what blinding hubris creates.
Fools.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:14 utc | 56

RE: “Does anyone actually believe that Russia will attack the US if it were to go after North Korea ?”
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 19:09 utc | 54
Pffff… Russia won’t attack the U.S. when it attacks Russia, let alone anyone else.
Cuz, you know, WW3, “nuclear” war… all that jazz.
So, impunity it is…
Although, they could ask Yemen to do it.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:20 utc | 57

” And let’s ask ourselves a serious question, “Was Nazism ever extinguished”?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 18:04 utc | 36 ”
Or can Nazism ever be “reformed” ? Supposedly in Ukraine it cant ,according to many here, and must be “eliminated”.
Yet, everyone is at a loss what needs to be done about the ” chosen tribe” after they’ve been kicked out of 195 empires, nations, countries, kingdoms …. through no fault of their own, of course.

Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 19:21 utc | 58

RE: So what the rest of the world thinks, or doesn’t, or chooses to not consider more… I can understand that people cannot relate or comprehend to some degree… but the detail is so obvious it doesn’t need UN declaration or official presentation to figure it out…
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 19:11 utc | 55
It’s the condition of humanity.
Or a “conditioned” humanity, however you want to view it.
“Because iniquity abounds
The love of many shall wax cold”
We’ve all hardened, and becoming (in my case, became) jaded.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:29 utc | 59

Now they are saying they plan to bomb the population into displacement. You would think it was said to try to force displacement without using arms, but after so far, it just looks like they are saying “your fault if you get in the way”, knowing much of the population either cannot or won’t, displace :
Journalist Sohaib Masalmeh
“An Israeli military source said:
The orders we have at the start of the Gaza operation are to destroy everything from the air and then move on the ground.”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 19:35 utc | 60

no fear at all. Fools.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:14 utc | 56
Fools? No, just the nwo. Look at trade statistics. China has a record trade in history right now, India is in top trade including weapons now, Russia in top energy suppliers now. Sorry to say, they have all unsc on their side, with all nukes on the planet and all the money. Yemen should pay attention. Today bombed only by Bibi and Tulsi, tomorrow the unanimous un sactions can easily become unanimous un bombs. Iran is out, eaten by the Brics trap, was too poor to avoid falling in it. Who is not genocidal in Brics? Only Brazil and Africa, but they still want to arrest Putin because US said so

Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2025 19:50 utc | 61

RE: “Taxes don’t matter to spending at all. They are (IMO) a social control mechanism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbHkXfEkQiw
That is why Russia has an attrition approach. The fighting ends when the enemy is dead, not when he “runs out of money”. “
All citizens of every nation understand when they have no money in their pocket.
Thus, the “social control mechanism” collapses.
Let those Florida County Supervisors tell their citizens that their pensions are gone now cuz they bought Israeli bonds with them.
And Russia will be “attriting” the next 200 years if the goal is to see their enemy dead.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:50 utc | 62

Let those Florida County Supervisors tell their citizens that their pensions are gone now cuz they bought Israeli bonds with them.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:50 utc | 62
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They will grumble and eat crap, as the hoi polloi usually do.
There will be no late-night visits to the country supervisors’ homes or chasing their extended family out of public places.
I am not seeing anyone in the West capable or willing to meaningfully push back on the government.
Palantir won, grab your ankles.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 20:01 utc | 63

RE: Posted by: rk | Aug 24 2025 19:50 utc | 61
You speak of governances. Of course no help will come from governing bodies.
The people will do it. The people will course correct the trajectory.
It’s always been the people. Regular citizens, as many now, willing to sacrifice.
It will come, USReal will be descended upon as locust upon a field.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 20:02 utc | 64

And Russia will be “attriting” the next 200 years if the goal is to see their enemy dead.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 19:50 utc | 62
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Russia doesn’t have to be faster than the ear; Russia just has to be faster than the West.
The West has poisoned itself with ideology, specifically Capitalism and secularism.
At the end of the day, the game is survival. All decisions made without survival in mind are losing moves.
I don’t mean survival today. I am talking about survival generationally.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 20:09 utc | 65

faster than the bear

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 20:10 utc | 66

RE: Palantir won, grab your ankles.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 20:01 utc | 63
Won what?
A corrupt to the core government contract?
The nation will fall on its own weight of corruption & delusions.
Not really anything for the people to do.
There’s nothing left worth salvaging or “pushing back” for.
It’s already in the dustbin of history.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 20:11 utc | 67

RE: “At the end of the day, the game is survival. All decisions made without survival in mind are losing moves.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 20:09 utc | 65
Laith speaks of “humiliation” (many have, he just cane to my mind first)
One could say the Palestinians (Hamas) are discounting survival therefore making a losing move.
I say they just don’t want to live a life of humiliation.
Don’t want to survive for generations as a humiliated person.
Yemen seems to demonstrate there are things beyond survival as well.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 20:23 utc | 68

First, thanks all those who have offered informative and helpful posts, albeit with different perspectives. My comment is that the collective West has little information on communication strategies among the Axis of Resistance, the BRICS, ASEAN, the Caucasian Cooperation Council. While all of the countries involved in these organizations may at time be at cross purposes, China, Russia and most probably Brazil and India keep all possible channels of communication open. US/UK/EU/IS strategies are predictable with IS seemingly in the lead on most matters – gives high probability to the one trick pony of power assertion – bombs, sanctions, threats. On the other hand, the probability of the larger, Global South et al taking consistent advantage of the many missteps of the Axis of Genocide is very high. For example, Russia prints Syrian currency to organize a solid basis for international transactions in the national currency, as opposed to the dollar (reserve currency). Also, that support assists in negotiations re Syrian bases, airfields and ports whose long term leases are under review. Also, Russia is given permission to intervene in carefully selected local conflicts. Think of the parable of the camel moving into the tent. Also very difficult to believe that OIC conference attendees did not discuss positions with Russia/China before moving forward. The collaboration of Sunni and Shia is unprecedented and not remarked on in western press. Slowly but surely the Axis of Genocide is being encircled – the end point won’t be nuclear warfare but Nuremberg trials, in full technicolor. The care of the aforementioned to preserve a rule based order in their resistence is all targeted to placing those who have actuated or enabled war crimes in the dock.

Posted by: abierno | Aug 24 2025 20:32 utc | 69

RE: “The orders we have at the start of the Gaza operation are to destroy everything from the air and then move on the ground.”
Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 19:35 utc | 60
They’re not bombing to destroy or displace people.
As Arch corrected me, they’re bombing to kill Palestinians. The rest is verbal diarrhea smokescreen.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 20:41 utc | 70

RE: Posted by: abierno | Aug 24 2025 20:32 utc | 69
“Russia prints Syrian currency to organize a solid basis for international transactions in the national currency, as opposed to the dollar (reserve currency). Also, that support assists in negotiations re Syrian bases, airfields and ports whose long term leases are under review. Also, Russia is given permission to intervene in carefully selected local conflicts. Think of the parable of the camel moving into the tent”
In other words, Russia got their pay off.
Good for them.
And a new assignment, keep the glorious Kurd squatters happy by “intervening”. Israel and Turkey can do the rest.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 20:47 utc | 71

RE: “Also very difficult to believe that OIC conference attendees did not discuss positions with Russia/China before moving forward…”
No need. All in same plan page.
“The collaboration of Sunni and Shia is unprecedented and not remarked on in western press. Slowly but surely the Axis of Genocide is being encircled – “
That’s because USREal keeps expanding into other nations, thus encircling themselves…
“end point won’t be nuclear warfare…
Questionable
“but Nuremberg trials, in full technicolor.”
Where is the entire Western continent going that this should/would happen? even if it is the “intent”?

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 24 2025 21:00 utc | 72

The West (usa and its minions)still has a considerable arsenal – nukes,tactical nukes, ICBM’s heavy bombs and air forces. At the moment only Russia and China can start a war at the moment to take on the West. That may change in the future. The rest have to fight their wars asymmetically.
The good news is the West is running out of weapons,manpower and the means to reproduce them (compare the armies that fought Iraq in the 90’s and 00’s with today) and the East with their scientific advances may soon have their chance

Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 21:12 utc | 73

abierno 69
“The collaboration of Sunni and Shia is unprecedented and not remarked on in western press. Slowly but surely the Axis of Genocide is being encircled – “
There is another Muslim collaboration taking place at the same time, between the British South Asians and the Daesh.
Much hand wringing and crocodile tears about the Palestinians, but at the end of the day, Daesh is USUKIS and the British South Asians are USUKIS.
Divide and Rule. With one hand Britain dishes out sweeties and salaries to the Daesh-supporting South Asians, and Israel/USUKIS attacks the Palestinans, Yemenis, Lebanese and Syrians.
Is there a single South Asian voice on MoA arguing the case against Israel?
In the Iraq War the South Asians told us that the West Asians brought these catastrophes on themselves, because they are bad Muslims.
Forget about Muslim Unity. It’s dog eat dog.
Slowly the Axis of Genocide is being assisted by the supporters of the USUKIS terrorists HTS.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 24 2025 21:31 utc | 74

Posted by: Exile | Aug 24 2025 14:38 utc | 13
>>>
She’s been trained to kill innocent women and children.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 24 2025 21:37 utc | 75

@Trubind
“We’ve all hardened, and becoming (in my case, became) jaded.”
I hadn’t high expectations of mankind, with people just being their best when at their simplest.
All the other illusions are just that, and fleeting. They only make sense while participating, and only last until they are found empty or deceptive.
Just have to be thankful for what we have, and gravitate towards what has proper sense and meaning.

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 21:44 utc | 76

Yemen deters a squadron of Israeli jets preventing most of its attack (al Mayadeen). Their air defence is a example of its scientific advances

Posted by: Monty | Aug 24 2025 22:28 utc | 77

“In the middle of this very dark night, where there has been no electricity or street lamps for two years, a bulldozer advances in the Saftawi neighborhood, dragging with it a robot rigged with four tons of highly explosive materials. Someone shouts: “Robot!” Families rush out into the street before the hell of the explosion devours their bodies and the horrific pressure tears through their blood vessels. Now, dozens of families are left in the street between the sky and the shockwave, and other families are confined within the walls, fearing that their escape will coincide with the expected explosion. Half of the families are in the street and the other half are lost in the darkness.
Journalist Youssef Fares – Gaza City”

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 22:33 utc | 78

see the 41-second video at the third link. the zionists in israel, and in the West are out-of-control
https://x.com/Yemenimilitary2/status/1959620804573876305
Yemen Military 🇾🇪 @Yemenimilitary2
America may have participated in the bombing of Yemen today.
Once we verify America’s involvement against us, we will retaliate by striking its interests.”
https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/-israel–renews-aggression-on-yemen–targets-civilian-infras
‘Israel’ renews aggression on Yemen, targets civilian infrastructure
The Israeli occupation has carried out a series of airstrikes on Yemen’s capital, Sanaa, targeting the Yemeni Oil Corporation and Haziz Power Station.
…..Our correspondent stated that the Israeli aggression targeted a petroleum product depot southeast of Sanaa belonging to the Yemeni Oil Corporation on Al-Sitteen Street, killing and injuring several as they were filling up their cars at the station……
…..In a statement on Sunday, it stated that the Israeli warplanes targeted key civilian infrastructure, including the vital Haziz power station, which supplies electricity to homes, hospitals, and critical services, causing widespread destruction and power outages across the city. The government also described the attack on a fuel station as an attempt to “paralyze daily life and create the illusion of victory amid rising plumes of smoke.”
The statement condemned the assault as a “flagrant violation of Yemen’s sovereignty” and “a new war crime added to Israel’s black record,” stressing that the aggression is part of “Israel’s” ongoing campaign against the Arab and Islamic world, supported directly by the United States……
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https://x.com/MenchOsint/status/1959670881061339156
MenchOsint @MenchOsint
Zionist youth broke into a bus and tried to attack the driver, shouting “Death to the Arabs” in Bnei Brak
One of the youths grabbed the bus’ emergency hammer and smashed windows, while women and children burst into tears.
The level of indoctrination at this young age is insane.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2025 23:00 utc | 79

Saba Issam Madi
https://t.me/madinat_khanyuns/18299

Posted by: Ornot | Aug 24 2025 23:27 utc | 80

Posted by: teri | Aug 24 2025 13:32 utc | 3
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Thanks for that reminder of Gaza’s ancient history.
This coast was an important ancient trading route between Asia Minor and the cities rimming the Black Sea and Egypt.
The world was horrified when the Taliban blew up ancient Buddhist monuments, the Bamiyan Buddhas, but yawns at the prospect of the barbaric Zionists’ project to destroy prehistoric and historic archaeological sites, churches, mosques, and all of the more recent cultural and social infrastructure.
These people are fanatical freaks.
Who thinks they will stop with Gaza City?
They destroy everything they touch—also in Syria—unless they figure out a way to steal it.
I hope Hamas makes it clear that the first attack on Gaza City will be a death sentence for the hostages.
Let them inform the hostages of this fact, make a video, and send it out to the world.
Make Netanyahu face a Hobson’s choice.
That is what HOSTAGES ARE FOR, FFS.
To be used as pawns in political negotiations and threats.
They are HELD HOSTAGE to the choices of other people—Hamas should use them to exert the maximum leverage.
While explaining to them why this is necessary.
Hostages’ lives are not more valuable than Palestinians’.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 24 2025 23:36 utc | 81

similar to the nazis
https://x.com/ZaidJilani/status/1958903958690320724
Zaid Jilani @ZaidJilani
NEW: The Israeli governments campaign of denial about the starvation in Gaza echoes some of the worst deceptions used to deny the Holocaust.
I reviewed the history, and there are eery similarities between the tactics of deception in both cases.
https://www.theamericansaga.com/p/israeli-denials-of-gazas-starvation
Israeli Denials of Gaza’s Starvation Echo Holocaust Denial Tactics
The starvation in Gaza isn’t equivalent to the Holocaust. But those defending both share a few traits.
….Once that blockade became politically unsustainable, the Israelis introduced the so-called Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, which set up a handful of checkpoints in the southern part of the region where residents could line up to receive aid. But those checkpoints both provided far too little aid to reach most Gazans and became a killing field where thousands of civilians were shot while lining up to ask for food by trigger-happy Israeli soldiers and American contractors…..
….“There is no policy of starvation in Gaza, and there is no starvation in Gaza,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in late July. This claim has been buttressed in a number of ways, including by inviting C-tier American social media influencers to stand in front of sacks of uneaten food at the Kerem Shalom crossing (inaccessible to most Gazans) in the south…..
….What is happening in Gaza today tests whether we live in a world that demands accountability for atrocities, as we saw after the Holocaust, or one that simply shrugs them off, as we saw during the mass murders in Indonesia.
In their attempt to deflect from responsibility, the Israeli leadership and their allies across the world are using arguments that have very dark roots — in fact, some of them sound so similar to apologia used before and after the Holocaust that they might make your skin crawl……
…..The Israeli state’s social media accounts, meanwhile, have been posting videos claiming that “Gaza City’s culinary scene was thriving this July,” featuring what appears to be a video of an operating Gazan restaurant. One popular Hasbara (Israeli propaganda) account is called Gazawood (like Hollywood, get it?) — it is dedicated to posting videos making similar claims.
In a population of two million people, it is not particularly surprising that there is, somewhere among the rubble, still a restaurant with whatever it can find and there are still people who appear overweight. Hunger, like any social malady, is not evenly distributed, even in a famine.
Even the Warsaw Ghetto still had restaurants…..

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 24 2025 23:39 utc | 82

The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.
That people can claim to picket for Gaza and at the same time endorse America’s founding genocide…
It’s like those Christians who pray for Bibi as he massacres the innocent and helpless.
The human mind is a messy place.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 21
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“The human mind is a messy place.”
Yours certainly is.
Per Dumbass, I wrote
“The natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.”
Quote or cite my actual comment, you horrid little slanderer.
You have been sitting on this same toilet for months now, pissing out “Genocide Jane” whenever you feel pressure in your mental bladder.
Squeeze your butt a little harder and produce the turd.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 24 2025 23:51 utc | 83

Posted by: Jane | August 24, 2025 at 23:51
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Dumbass is a female, for sure.
Of some kind.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 24 2025 23:59 utc | 84

The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.. . .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 21
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I am waiting for you to document this statement.
Well?

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:10 utc | 85

see the 8-second video at the third link
https://x.com/AliAbunimah/status/1959458344239796704
Ali Abunimah @AliAbunimah
Just a reminder that gun for hire @mehdirhasan fervently promoted the Oct 7 rape hoax atrocity propaganda, and has never retracted. That’s all you need to know. His priority is always to ingratiate himself and suck up to people in power. I couldn’t care less about American politicians and their parties but I appreciate anyone who speaks out against the Congress-funded holocaust in Gaza and no rep is doing it louder right now than @RepMTG. It’s unexpected and welcome. No one is stopping the others from outdoing her, including weasely, slippery @RepAOC
https://x.com/mehdirhasan/status/1959449711187734911
Mehdi Hasan @mehdirhasan
I’m sorry but the new love for @mtgreenee from some pro-Palestine folks, combined with hate for @AOC, is insane. Abunimah has spent the past 22 months attacking AOC, calling her a fraud, but now says “thank you” to MTG. Let’s just compare their Israel/Gaza records, shall we?
AOC called for a ceasefire shortly after Oct 7th. MTG didn’t and said “anyone that is pro-Palestinian is pro-Hamas” and filed a censure resolution against Rashida Tlaib calling her antisemitic and pro-terrorist……. blah blah blah………
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https://x.com/gazanotice/status/1959434329966194957
Gaza Notifications @gazanotice
🚨BREAKING: Gaza is under a massive Israeli attack right now. Local sources say Israel is using chemical agents, residents report severe burning sensations when they breathe.

Posted by: michaelj72 | Aug 25 2025 0:13 utc | 86

Michael72 @ 86
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AFAIK, MTG has been far more outspoken in clearly labeling what is going on in Gaza a genocide than any other member of Congress.
An online search with the question
“Has Marjorie Taylor Greene spoken out against the Gaza genocide?” get multiple recent hits of her statements. Try it.
AOC started out speaking up for Pal rights, but I think she also voted to send more arms to Israel.
https://www.washingtonjewishweek.com/aoc-faces-backlash-after-voting-against-cutting-us-aid-from-israels-iron-dome/
AOC appears to be quite a confused young woman.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:23 utc | 87

The origin of me referring to Jane as “Genocide Jane” stems from her writing that the natives (Indians) in America should have moved when the settlers came.. . .
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 24 2025 15:05 utc | 21
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I am waiting for you to document this statement.
Well?
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:10 utc | 85
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Failure to document is an acknowledgment that you are a liar.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:25 utc | 88

OIC is 57 countries spanning west, central and east Asia. Represents a very large swath of populace, now firmly allied to Russia, China and most of BRICS. Topic for emergency meeting is stopping Gaza genocide without escalating to nuclear conflict. The atrocious policies of USUKIS have spawned reactive alliances of countries whose geopolitical goals are at odds with one another. Inquiring minds would suggest strong diplomatic discussion at high levels with experienced diplomats and generals from china and Russia.

Posted by: Abierno | Aug 25 2025 0:43 utc | 89

Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:25 utc | 88
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I couldn’t find our precise discussion, but I can find you opining on and dissembling on the slaughter of the American natives.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/02/a-final-solution/comments/page/3/#comments
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Posted by: Jane | Feb 22 2024 2:20 utc | 266
I don’t want to sully this discussion with talking about you; narcissism isn’t helpful to the Palestine issue, IMO.
If you want to take it to the Open Thread, I would love to litigate your genocidal and hypocritical postings.
Or, you could take it all back and prove that you’re capable of moral evolution. Your call.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 25 2025 0:53 utc | 90

RE: “OIC is 57 countries spanning west, central and east Asia. Represents a very large swath of populace, now firmly allied to Russia, China and most of BRICS. “
Except that ALL of the 57 countries Sovereign Wealth Funds, Treasury Bonds, and payment structures are tied into UK/US Central Banking system, BIS, IMF & World Bank.
All plowed into Western Banks.
So, allied wholly to West. Nuggets get to go elsewhere..
Of course, they could bring the whole edifice down.
But they won’t .

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 25 2025 1:08 utc | 91

32 Geraint ap Iowerth — “there are currently no heavy tools in stock with the importers. If you order a heavy vehicle from a company like Volvo, you’ll have to wait six or seven months for it to be delivered. That’s why last week we were in China to examine a large import of equipment for the mouth,” says Karadi.
Thank you for this detailed information. Please clarify, is it ‘equipment FROM the mouth’ or ‘equipment for the MONTH’ or what?

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 25 2025 1:10 utc | 92

Correction — reference above to 38 not 32.

Posted by: Lavieja | Aug 25 2025 1:24 utc | 93

” Historically, Jewish communities have been expelled from many places across Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa at different times over the last two millennia. Historians generally record over 100 documented expulsions between the Middle Ages and the early modern period. ”
Posted by: The painter | Aug 24 2025 18:01 utc | 34
Yes and were supposed to believe they did nothing to deserve the treatment, every time, over a thousand years. It’s like someone with a rap sheet a mile long complaining he’s being picked on. Historical consciousness is the only antidote to Zionist propaganda.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 25 2025 1:29 utc | 94

More than 300,000 supporters joined rallies in almost 40 cities and towns for Palestine | 7NEWS
And what did the “report” choose to focus on:
A: The cost to NSW police to “enforce” crowd control. Narrated over vid of a petite women (est weight 50-60kg), being hauled away.
Reluctant outro: Crowd was mostly peaceful.
[having attended a rally protesting funding cuts to the govt broadcaster, abc.gov.au {I know I know} I witnessed first hand NSW police agitating individuals to provoke a response hoping to “necessitate” a response _ it didn’t work as most in the crowd were silver heads and for some, had been in rallies and protests since the 60s _ .
But yeah. The expense of crowd management is for sure the most important issue to be reported about a Stop the Genocide rally.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu3gT1r1Miw
§| Unhinged’: Pro-Palestinian marches throughout Australia slammed
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHlFGSq9glc
‘People don’t feel safe’: Calls for tougher laws amid Victoria’s protest crisis
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6rboPBKPlE
Israel hatred is being imported into Australia
Sky News Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndlouA4GtK8
👏 Australians for speaking up.
It’s barely enough, but it’s a start… I want to believe

Posted by: Melaleuca | Aug 25 2025 2:25 utc | 95

AOC appears to be quite a confused young woman.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 25 2025 0:23 utc | 87
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You say “confused”; I say “opportunistic”. Maybe “soulless” or “sociopathic” as well.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 25 2025 2:51 utc | 96

One man’s terrorist is another man’s patriot…………
Israel is at war with irregular troops of various groups – Hamas, PIJ, Fatah, PFLP and others.
You cant subjugate the Palestinian populace for at least 77 years and expect any different outcome.
The Brits subjugated the Irish for 800 years and were continuously surprised by multiple revolts over that period.
In the modern era the IRA and PIRA fought the Brits from 1916 to 1998, and were never defeated. These groups will never be eliminated from Gaza or the West Bank.
To think any different is delusional, the fight for Palestinian rights and land restoration will continue long after Bibi has left this world……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 25 2025 3:05 utc | 97

From The Cradle
Israeli army warns demolishing Gaza City could take ‘over a year’: Report

The army chief has doubled down on his concerns about the occupation plan, and is demanding that ceasefire negotiations be exhausted before the assault begins

https://thecradle.co/articles/israeli-army-warns-demolishing-gaza-city-could-take-over-a-year-report
Another posting at The Cradle reports about how Occupied Palestine expects to decapitate Yemen leadership at the same time…..how thin can the IDF be stretched before it breaks?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2025 3:42 utc | 98

As one would expect from the BBC description of the latest multiple warhead Yemen missile

The strikes come after Israel said the Houthis used cluster munitions in a missile fired at Israel.

Cluster munitions, eh? Bend, fold and staple our language to suit the meme.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 25 2025 3:48 utc | 99

Geraint ap Iorwerth 38
Thank you for submitting this report.
The European mind at work in the Holy Land has completely externalised the problem. By which I mean , obstinately refused to consider the human aspects of what they are trying to achieve.
The Middle East has been taken over by European , spiritually and socially dead , Zombies. Over whom Trump presides , who has just engaged in a three year , European mindset, Zombie Spectacular , brain-dead war in Ukraine. Where 20 years of US , concrete fortifications that Trump planned, have taken one million Ukrainian lives to defend.
The mind boggles at the scale of construction and destruction of the little Dalek occupying the Potus chair.
How could anything so pointless and futile as Western Civilisation waste much Sand, steel and cement on Civil Engineering and Civilisational Destruction?
When Netanyahu says that he understands America, is this what he means? That fearless extravagance of Hillary Clinton whose construction company Lafarge built countless, concrete bunkers for Al Qaida in Syria, each one to be blown to smithereens by Russian Cruise missiles.
I have worked in Construction for 30 years, but never encountered projects on the vastness of scale of US WAR.
The US are brainless maggots on the face of the planet, with ZERO comprehension of the spiritual energy of the locations they are operating in.
To the US, the inhabitants of West Asia abd Ukraine are of no more spritual significance than Aztecs, literally to be bulldozed and built over. Holy Shit! It is The Beast, that was prophecied of yore.

Posted by: Giyane | Aug 25 2025 4:26 utc | 100