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August 18, 2025
Europe Demands ‘Security Guarantees’ For Ukraine … Russia Can Give Those

Later today U.S. President Donald Trump will meet the (former) Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski to talk about the results of last week's summit between Trump and Russia's President Vladimir Putin. As a result of that summit both sides declared that the war in Ukraine must be ended with an all-encompassing peace agreement. That again will require for Ukraine to give up on certain territories and to become a neutral country.

Zelenski will try to induce Trump to return to his previous position. Trump had earlier demanded an immediate ceasefire from Russia at the current frontline. But after trying he had found that he had no way to achieving that. Trump had to agree to Russia positions because there was no other way left to end the war in Ukraine.

Trump is notoriously prone to change his position from one talk to another. This time however I believe that he will stick to his agreement with Putin.

Zelenski will be told to file for peace with Russia under whatever condition Russia will demand from him.

After the talk with Zelenski Trump will have a meet and greet with a bunch of European premiers, chancellors and presidents. They want the war to continue which requires to keep the U.S. involved in it.

Their main talking point and request will be a 'security guarantee' for Ukraine which, they say, will require U.S. involvement and backing.

Being asked about it during an interview Trump's Russia envoy Stephen Witkoff gave a polite response:

“The United States is potentially prepared to be able to give Article 5 security guarantees, but not from NATO — directly from the United States and other European countries,” Witkoff said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview.

The meaning of "is … potentially … prepared … to be able … " in this context must be translated into "No way that's gonna happen!"

Two years ago I had already discussed the question of security guarantees for Ukraine:

The Ukraine is now obviously losing the war. It will soon need to sign a capitulation like ceasefire agreement with Russia.

But who or what can guarantee that any such agreement will be held up?

NATO membership is no longer an option.

A direct full security guarantee from Washington to Kiev is also impossible. It would create a high likelihood of a direct war between the U.S. and Russia which would soon become nuclear. The U.S. will not want to risk that.

Russia's might makes even an attempt of an Israel like security guarantee for Ukraine too costly for the U.S. and thereby simply impossible.

There is only one country in the world that can guarantee peace in Ukraine and the security of its borders. That country is Russia!

But any such guarantee will of course come with conditions attached to it. Either Ukraine will accept those or it will never be secure from outer interference.

That is simply a fact of life Ukraine has had to, and will have to live with.

Alastair Crooke suggests (video) that the peace agreement between Russia and Ukraine will follow the outline of the Istanbul Agreement negotiated in March 2022 between Ukraine and Russia. Ukraine, under pressure from the West, had at that time refrained from signing it.

The Istanbul Agreement did include security guarantees (emphasis added):

The agreement assumes:

2. Possible guarantor states: Great Britain, China, Russia, the United States, France, Turkey, Germany, Canada, Italy, Poland, Israel. The free accession of other states to the treaty is proposed, in particular the Russian Federation proposes Belarus.

4. Ukraine does not join any military alliances, does not deploy foreign military bases and contingents, and conducts international military exercises only with the consent of the guarantor states. For their part, the guarantor states confirm their intention to promote Ukraine’s membership in the European Union.

5. The guarantor states and Ukraine agree that in the event of aggression, any armed attack on Ukraine or any military operation against Ukraine, each of the Guarantor States, after urgent and immediate consultations between them (which shall be held within no more than three days), in the exercise of the right to individual or collective self-defense recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will provide (in response to and on the basis of an official request from Ukraine) assistance to Ukraine, as a permanently neutral state under attack, by immediately taking such individual or joint action as may be necessary, including closing airspace over Ukraine, providing necessary weapons, using armed force in order to restore and subsequently maintain the security of Ukraine as a permanently neutral state.

Any such armed attack (any military operation) and all measures taken as a result thereof shall be immediately reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall cease when the Security Council takes the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.

The mechanism for implementing security guarantees for Ukraine, based on the results of additional consultations between Ukraine and the Guarantor States, will be regulated in the Treaty, taking into account protection from possible provocations.

Again:

… such guarantee will of course come with conditions attached to it. Either Ukraine will accept those or it will never be secure from outer interference.

So yes, the Ukraine can have 'security guarantees'. But the conditions of those will be set by the main guarantor – which has to be Russia.

Trump seems to have understood that. How long will it take those European 'leaders' to get it?

Comments

What is meant by ” But the conditions of those will be set by the main guarantor – which has to be Russia.” I cannot see that in the Istanbul text that they are a main guarantor. Please elaborate.

Posted by: pozander | Aug 18 2025 15:57 utc | 1

@b.: “… They want the war to continue which requires to keep the U.S. involved in it ….”
Not necessarily. Trump wanted to end US involvement in Ukraine (at least in terms of money and public attention), saying that everything would then be up to Z and Europe. This does not automatically mean that the US would also be on board if the war were to be prolonged.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 15:58 utc | 2

b: “How long will it take those European ‘leaders’ to get it?”
never, Nothing is worse for a politician than having to admit that he has failed.
So there must first be elections in European countries, with a clear veto against this.
(The MSM will try to prevent this, so it will be a very long war.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:05 utc | 3

There are enough hardcore nazis to keep firing, even after an agreement. Will the Blob neutralize them, stop paying for and supporting them? They don’t elsewhere, why here?

Posted by: seer | Aug 18 2025 16:07 utc | 4

Lindsay Graham:
“My bill to make Russia state sponsored terrorism is based on the fact that Russia has kidnapped Ukrainian children taken from Ukrainian families and sent to Russia. They should be a state sponsor of terrorism, Russia, until they return their children. So any peace deal must include the return of the kidnapped children uh by Russia to Ukraine. If you don’t do that, that’s not a just end of the war. And if Putin doesn’t return these kids, he should be a state sponsor of terrorism designation under US law. And that makes Russia radioactive…Russia went and took Ukrainian children and put them in camps. Yes. Yes. Uh 19,000 children according to international organizations have been taken from Ukrainian families by Putin through force of arms and sent to Russia.”

Posted by: jayc | Aug 18 2025 16:09 utc | 5

What is meant by ” But the conditions of those will be set by the main guarantor – which has to be Russia.” I cannot see that in the Istanbul text that they are a main guarantor. Please elaborate.
Posted by: pozander | Aug 18 2025 15:57 utc | 1

That isn’t from the Istanbul Agreement. That is his opinion as expressed in his remarks reposted above from two years ago.

Posted by: Cheney | Aug 18 2025 16:10 utc | 6

I think Berletic is right. Continuity of Agenda rules all. There will be no peace until Russia defeats Ukraine on the battlefield, and then the CIA will run guerilla warfare for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: WJ | Aug 18 2025 16:13 utc | 7

pozander | Aug 18 2025 15:57 utc | 1
Russia is THE power that determines what happens. If Russia does not agree, there is no guarantee, or only a completely worthless one.
Istanbul is only a point of reference, not to be taken literally and not complete.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:14 utc | 8

@ ayc | Aug 18 2025 16:09 utc | 5
Lindsay Graham parrots Ukrainian propaganda lies. These children do not exist.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:18 utc | 9

I found the Crooke-Judge Nap chat very much in-tune with the estimations I wrote last night, “Putting Words Into Mouths–Western Spin”, although Crooke added that for the Eurocrats to be defeated Russia will need to do that on the battlefield, which is what will happen since they want war not peace. Peace will need to be enforced via force in Ukraine just as it must in West Asia–the parallels are too similar to be ignored, although there wasn’t any discussion of West Asia in their chat.
As I’ve long emphasized, peace and security must be reengineered from the ground-up on a global basis, and there’s a very viable proposal waiting to be implemented–China’s Global Security Initiative. Unfortunately, Neocons/Neoliberals/Eurocrats and Ukrainian Nazis will resist any such attempt to make that Initiative reality. In Europe, it’s possible for Russia to write the music, but within the Outlaw US Empire the forces arrayed against peace and global security remain very strong and still have very deep belief in their Exceptionalism, and those same forces exist in Occupied Palestine.
IMO, the Global Majority need to put China’s Initiative into place, which will create the bifurcated world that’s already forming. Not all of Europe will remain in the Empire’s sphere as several nations will join the Majority, while more will change their allegiance as time moves forward. In other words, there’s no perfect solution that can currently be arrived at, or even within a few years–Neocons and EuroNazis will not give in and will die maintaining their hatred.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2025 16:19 utc | 10

Interesting read from Simplicius’s email this AM,
Looks like ex-ukrainia’s combined forces were able to force Russia back behind the former’s fortifications. Yes..yes..opens other opportunities…blah…blah…blah, lot’s of ways to say the slow march proceeds apace. Simply put, Russia did not commit enough forces to support a breakthrough that would encircle, one presumes that “the risk was too high” or as artifice-intel put’s it “Риск был слишком высок”. Brilliant operation blunted by an unwillingness to commit reserves…hard to run when your general staff has feet of clay.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 18 2025 16:19 utc | 11

S Brennan | Aug 18 2025 16:19 utc | 11
Where is that supposed to be? All I see on the maps are Russian successes in breaking through the defenses.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:25 utc | 12

Posted by: snake | Aug 18 2025 3:31 utc | 194
Putin established not only the terms required for an acceptable security agreement but also Putin established that until such an agreement is reached, negotiations with Russia over what to do with Ukraine are on hold.
<=But B, where are the security guarantees for Russia? Russia has not changed its position.. it will not negotiate about Ukraine, until it gets what amounts to global guarantees that its interest worldwide are secure against western encroachments, threats and activities.. I don't see anything about Russia participating in trade either. AFAICT no one in the west is even considering what Russia has put on the table?

Posted by: snake | Aug 18 2025 16:33 utc | 13

Southfromt: The most significant blow was inflicted in Usatovo. The assault completely destroyed all 17 storage tanks at the SOCAR oil terminal, which belongs to Azerbaijan’s state energy facility, sending towering flames into the night sky. The facility came under a series of consequent precision strikes. The attack also obliterated the terminal’s pumping station and technical buildings. These strikes on Azerbaijani-owned infrastructure marked a significant escalation in Russia’s economic warfare strategy. After years of tolerating Baku’s fuel shipments to Ukraine, Moscow lifted its restraint following recent anti-Russian rhetoric from Azerbaijan. The terminal’s destruction effectively severed a crucial link in Ukraine’s southern fuel supply network, delivering both a tactical blow and political signal.
https://southfront.press/the-hammer-falls-russias-combined-night-strikes-left-ukraine-reeling/

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:36 utc | 14

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 18 2025 16:19 utc | 11
Where was this that they forced Russia back? I saw posts that there was a slaughter of Russian forces that were trying to break through in Povrovsk. A picture showed they were on motorcycles and there were motorcycles and bodies strewn about the area. I counted at least 12 dead.

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 18 2025 16:40 utc | 15

Methinks that it is Europeans, including Ukrainians, who need security guarantees to protect them from the United States. After all, it is the US “protection service” that has a chokehold on the continent’s oil and gas supplies, even blowing up pipelines (NordStream) to enforce it. Without such security, Europe is destined to see its now uncompetitive industrial base wither away.
Unfortunately for Europeans, their quisling leadership has been bought into the “protection” racket.

Posted by: JohnH | Aug 18 2025 16:44 utc | 16

I don’t really understand the “security guarantees” business.
Who is going to attack the Ukraine?
Is the foreseen danger the possibility that Poland, Hungary, Romania, etc. will demand and find ways to get pieces of the Ukraine?
Or are “security guarantees” designed to give Europe/Brussels a route to continue to meddle in the Ukraine’s domestic politics and use it against Russia?
Or that the USA or the UK might try to trick the Ukraine into giving up sovereignty over its minerals and black soils? For instance, by plugging into the already existing infrastructure of corruption in the Ukraine/ That has already happened, looks like.
Or is the danger that a civil war might start in the Ukraine? Or that Someone might decide to ignore the constitution and not hold elections? That already happened. Russia put a stop to that!!
What is the point of these “security guarantees”?
How about Iran, Egypt, and China as the guarantors of the Ukraine’s “security”?

Posted by: Jane | Aug 18 2025 16:47 utc | 17

Russia will achieve all of its objectives. If the US and/or Europe want to go back to the stone age so be it. The US and Europe are not agreement capable and will be treated as such.

Posted by: So | Aug 18 2025 16:47 utc | 18

thanks b..
even with a security agreement from russia, what is to prevent the west from sabotaging ukraine to continue in their meddlesome ways?? false flags, regime changes and etc. etc. – all tools of the west for getting it’s way.. and remember, russia always has to play the bad actor, next to these lilly white nations, lol..
ukraine would do well to make peace with russia.. but 75 years of cia indoctrination to hate russia, in combo with the fanatics in the west of ukraine, has polluted the minds of many ordinary people in ukraine, to think of russia as the bad actor.. these folks need to come to peace with russia and one of the best ways for this to happen is to make illegal all usa or west funded ngos with a presence in ukraine.. i wish both countries – russia and ukraine – success in this.. as for the west, they need to grow up and work in their own garden instead of messing others up as they’ve done here in ukraine.. this is a good step towards a less capitalist driven world as i see it.. find something more benevolent to incite..

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2025 16:47 utc | 19

@JohnH | Aug 18 2025 16:44 utc | 16
“Bingo” as they say. We have a winner.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2025 16:48 utc | 20

JohnH | Aug 18 2025 16:44 utc | 16
“… even blowing up pipelines …”
Thas was britsh hWork, not US

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:48 utc | 21

I watched Crooke on Nap. I think that Alastair doesn’t give the Russians credit for manipulating Trump.
I think he’s onto something about Trump trying to resolve Ukraine as a sop to MAGA.
The problem is, IMO, timing. This is 7 months too late.
Many are furious about Israel and Epstein. Ukraine isn’t the issue it was on the campaign trail.
He’s not going to be able to keep golfing with Graham and keep MAGA on his side. People are getting hip to the psyops of politicians.
Then Crooke was saying there will be a meeting in China for the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Japan.
Another lose-lose situation. Piss off Japan, or avoid BRICS.
If you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu. That will be a real pick-your-poison situation.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2025 16:48 utc | 22

I think Berletic is right. Continuity of Agenda rules all. There will be no peace until Russia defeats Ukraine on the battlefield, and then the CIA will run guerilla warfare for the foreseeable future.
Posted by: WJ | Aug 18 2025 16:13 utc | 7
Until proven wrong, I’m standing with Berletic’s analysis

Posted by: Chris N | Aug 18 2025 16:49 utc | 23

@ JohnH | Aug 18 2025 16:44 utc | 16
your first sentence – yes, i concur! but there is a huge amount of money to be made in the ”protection racket”.. lets hope the usa and friends fade into the sunset, sooner then later..

Posted by: james | Aug 18 2025 16:50 utc | 24

At this point, I think the real fear on the part of Zelinsky and Europe’s unpopular leaders is not Russia, but their own populations.
An end to this proxy war on Russia will be followed by serious political consequences for all of them. Without evil Russia to justify the systematic suppression of and theft from their working populations, all of these leaders stand to lose big time. Zelinsky and Co could well be killed or forced to flee.
These clowns begging Trump to keep the war going are their for their own personal interests today. They couldn’t care less about their wage slave populations. They’ve been lying for years and only see more war and bigger lies as a solution.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2025 16:50 utc | 25

In other news,
Ursula von der Lederhosen’s appears to have authorized the Waffen SS of ex-ukrainia to carry out another terrorist attack. This time against an EU member who wasn’t following her dictata.
…oil flows from Russia to Hungary and Slovakia via the Druzhba pipeline..a Ukrainian drone strike crippled a vital transformer station…ex-ukrainia’s Deputy Foreign Minister sarcastically and mockingly said that Hungary should direct any grievances with ex-ukrainia to Moscow rather than Kiev…Slovakia has meanwhile also confirmed the Monday stoppage of oil flow via the Druzhba pipeline
Currently, the Waffen SS of ex-ukrainia, occupy territories belonging to Hungary and Slovakia. Apparently, Ursula von der Lederhosen’s Nazi past is manifesting itself. Turn about is fair play. At war’s end Hungary & Slovakia should retake their land and an extension to Russian controlled Odessa Oblast

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 18 2025 16:52 utc | 26

According to Sebastian Sas (yesterday’s video), Russia will not sign any agreement with the Ukraine until there have been non-corrupt elections in Ukraine and thus a duly elected leader and legislature.
That is Russia’s “security” requirement. Russia will not sign with an illegitimate head of state and legislature.
This agreement has to be “the agreement to end all wars (and the need for SMOs)” between Russia and the Ukraine.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 18 2025 16:52 utc | 27

I’m curious how Z will dress today – serious attire or GI Joe wannabe?
I’d like to see Trump order Z to go get his “fuckin shine box”

Posted by: Chris N | Aug 18 2025 16:52 utc | 28

@Ahenobarbus | Aug 18 2025 16:50 utc | 25
I concur. These quislings are probably busy considering how the original ended up.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 18 2025 16:56 utc | 29

>>> “years–Neocons and EuroNazis will not give in and will die maintaining their hatred.” <<< Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2025 16:19 utc | 10 . . Will they choose to die though? The hohols are losing steam. The eurocucks never had any steam. The Blob needs both at full steam, or this could be the end of the Blob's NATO push.

Posted by: seer | Aug 18 2025 16:57 utc | 30

I’d like to see Trump order Z to go get his “fuckin shine box”..” – Chris N 28
Me too

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 18 2025 16:58 utc | 31

According to Sebastian Sas (yesterday’s video), Russia will not sign any agreement with the Ukraine until there have been non-corrupt elections in Ukraine and thus a duly elected leader and legislature.
That is Russia’s “security” requirement. Russia will not sign with an illegitimate head of state and legislature.
Posted by: Jane | Aug 18 2025 16:52 utc | 27
This is possibly the one contentious issue that Trump referred to.

Posted by: Rahul | Aug 18 2025 17:06 utc | 32

There will be peace when the banks say so.

Posted by: Cycling Nut | Aug 18 2025 17:10 utc | 33

How long will it take for the EU leaders to get it?
Well, so long as Russia exists, of course, because NATO HAS NO JUSTIFICATION TO EXIST without the Russia bogeyman.
The clown car descended onto DC, including Jewlensky, will demand that the war continues. As will the MIC, CIA,MI6 etc.
Also this: “..as a permanently neutral state under attack…” Indeed. Unless the Ukronazis attack FIRST

Posted by: Kay | Aug 18 2025 17:11 utc | 34

The runt has arrived…JDV the Rottweiler is going to keep Z under control there going to be a “celebratory ” banquet at The White house after the meetings as Z is in a suit and may have a suitable tie(probably blue and yellow), or going to send out for pizzas, or the 7 (Ursula dressed in Ukraine colours as usual?)plus or minus a Z is going straight home or booked into a or several hotels, expecting a round of golf, going for therapy , going to have their own press conference, follow up meetings, head to NATO HQ in shell shock to discuss tactics and more sanctions??? A NATO press conference and news presentation circus?
Re security guarantees will this work for Ukraine and Russia????. Will there be any Deconfliction Procedures if eg Ukraine military sabotages, or does Russia immediately respond with Oreshnik?

Posted by: Jo | Aug 18 2025 17:17 utc | 35

Security guarantees, the main point is not from whom, but against whom, isn’t it?
As nobody believes the nasty romanians will do anything, the question is against EU/(eastern) nato or against RF
Option one gives ukraine the state of a russian protectorate, even being allowed in EU, they’d be safe from color me blind EU revolutions /that would be fun, and ukraine that could not be easily swayed even inside EU. Some caveats would have to be included, even in EU they’d be brexited like northern europe, neither nor.
Option two gives EU/(eastern) nato guarantees, but if not allowed to station troops there (RF won’t allow) and worse still not being able to pad with enough ukranian meat… only guarantee could only come from the sole holder of agency in the nuclear component in the EU, france. And it would be the type germany got for decades, “you’re all better off dead than red”.
This second scenario is because the us (trump since friday) knows that if push comes to shove it goes nuclear and the beauuutiful us of a will get warmer than mexico, before freezing. (the royal corgis were already advised to keep the f*** away from that shitstorm, the us will bail them but not be destroyed because they’re stupid)
Now… how will germany feel about french hegemony within EU (maybe with a side of revanchist poles)?

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 18 2025 17:24 utc | 36

Volo can not be at the table in any final talks with RF and VVP.
He has to go and DJT will deliver that message today. You are fired!
Notice how DJT split them up too, Volo first, then two hours later the Coalition of the Weak – Macron, Sir Keir and Ursula Von Der Liar and company. He does not want Volo mixing with the Weaklings before he delivers the bad news to Volo, and then he will threaten the EU arse clowns – go along with the deal or face even higher tariffs. They will do the elfoldo act just like the gutless creatures they really are. It will be fun to watch.
Time for Volo to leave Kieve and settle in Haifa (DJT does not want him in the US fomenting yet another impeachment effort with the infamous Vindman Brothers).
If Volo resists, the game is up, and the Big Arrow to Odessa begins…………

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 17:27 utc | 37

Who would trust Russia with Ukraine’s security? I mean, really? I can understand people favoring Russia as a patron over America but, really? Should Israel guarantee Palestine’s security? It makes as much sense.

Posted by: Mike Adamson | Aug 18 2025 17:28 utc | 38

See…This is exactly THE OPPOSITE to what was “achieved” in Alaska…The Jewish-Neoliberal Trojan Horse betrayed the Russian Federation as he usually did in the last 35 years…
Such a niche Meeting there in the “Dumb House”…

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 18 2025 17:28 utc | 39

Selenskiy in the White House: High as a kike.

Posted by: Apollyon | Aug 18 2025 17:31 utc | 40

Who would trust Russia with Ukraine’s security? I mean, really? I can understand people favoring Russia as a patron over America but, really? Should Israel guarantee Palestine’s security? It makes as much sense.
Posted by: Mike Adamson | Aug 18 2025 17:28 utc | 38
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I see no valid comparison here (aside from the technical points that any items, even exact opposites, can be compared, and both situations involve Zionists/Jews).

Posted by: Jane | Aug 18 2025 17:35 utc | 41

Trump has already backed down a bit: the penile pianist isn’t wearing a suit but Trump admitted him anyway.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 18 2025 17:36 utc | 42

If Volo resists, the game is up, and the Big Arrow to Odessa begins…………
Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 17:27 utc | 37
That would be the last move to make, why bother…
If the west bank is in play, cutting ukraine horizontally would be much more interesting.
South park, sorry, south part would fall by itself if no connection to the north and ports interdicted.

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 18 2025 17:39 utc | 43

Either Volo agrees that Ukronaziland becomes Switzerland or else……………

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 17:42 utc | 44

Posted by: MiniMO | Aug 18 2025 16:40 utc | 15
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What? Twelve dead Russian?!
My God! Russia is doooooomed !

Posted by: scc | Aug 18 2025 17:43 utc | 45

Even with a peace treaty, the Nazis will continue with false flag operations and drone strikes. That’s why all Nazis must be removed first.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 17:45 utc | 46

The war isn’t over and it won’t be over until Putin subdues Ukraine, and installs a puppet/pro-Russian friendly government – the West will never ever stop trying to break Russia, for it doesn’t matter what guarantees Trump or EU leader or even Zelensky gives Putin, they’ll never live up to them, the West when it comes to Russia cannot be trusted.
Putin MUST take Ukraine, and break it up if needs be – if not Zelensky or the next Western puppet Ukrainian president – will continue the war with Russia – and the USA and Europe will back Ukraine at every turn – Putin must play out his plans, he can nod in agreement with Trump or whomever, but he must take Ukraine, if not that mistake will come back to bite him big time.
The same can be said of Iran it should’ve continued its assault on Israel until victory – that agreement to have a ceasefire will cost Iran dearly in the not to distant future.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 18 2025 17:45 utc | 47

Please do lay the red tapestry for yet another Western failure.
Odessa is next and the SMO shall continue until its very end.
The Outlaw US of A may respond with secondary sanctions but the RUF has already drafted a viable dossier to fight back and harder.
Might makes right and strength through force, always; only.
Good day!

Posted by: pepe | Aug 18 2025 17:47 utc | 48

Believe what should be Russia’s terms:
Russia takes all of Ukraine
NATO is dissolved
All US presence removed from Europe, Asia, and Africa
Alaska returned to Russia
Southwest US returned to Mexico

Posted by: Thurl | Aug 18 2025 17:48 utc | 49

Republicofscotland @ 47
You’v said all that needs to be said in that one short comment.
So i’m going to sit this one out.
Kudos.

Posted by: Mark2 | Aug 18 2025 17:52 utc | 50

Either Volo agrees that Ukronaziland becomes Switzerland or else……………
Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 17:42 utc | 44
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I’d prefer that it become a neutral country.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 18 2025 17:56 utc | 51

re:Lindsay Graham concerned about kidnapped children ?
every accusation is a confession

Posted by: exile | Aug 18 2025 17:57 utc | 52

Aha, Z. Security guarantees for Ukraine before elections.
This means that Z has ruled out elections. He remains unelected in office, making an important Russian demand currently unfeasible.

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 17:57 utc | 53

Sigh … Minutes ago, I saw a CBS anchor claim that Russia has broken every possible agreement through world history, including Minsk I, II and whatever.
It’s incredible that major TV channels can go on like that. This is the reason why all the western populations are brainwashed (and willing to give up their wealth for Ukrainian corruption).
Sebastian Sas remarked today that you’re either a propagandist or a journalist and there is no doubt what most of them are.

Posted by: Avtonom | Aug 18 2025 17:58 utc | 54

Posted by: smartfox | Aug 18 2025 16:18 utc | 9
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Exactly. The Kremlin is still waiting to hear those who supposely died in Bucha.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 18 2025 18:00 utc | 55

RE; CBS news
TV news these days has the viewership of mid-tier Youtube bloggers. they have throughly discredited themselves over the years.

Posted by: exile | Aug 18 2025 18:06 utc | 56

Z gets in a zinger…
When the Ukraine leader eschewed a jacket and tie during his first visit to the White House in February, reporter Brian Glenn for the conservative network Real America’s Voice asked, “Why don’t you wear a suit?”
This time around, Zelenskyy appeared in the Oval wearing an all-black suit, and Glenn, in a callback, said he looked “fabulous.”
Zelenskyy shot back that Glenn was wearing the same suit again — prompting a big laugh from the room.

Posted by: Michael | Aug 18 2025 18:07 utc | 57

seer | Aug 18 2025 16:57 utc | 30–
Thanks for your reply. How deep has the 80 years of Outlaw US Empire/UK promotion of Nazism in Western Ukraine penetrated and added to the already preexisting hatred promoted by the Hapsburgs to form an ideological base that will be extremely difficult to completely uproot without direct occupation and several generations of reeducation? Those of us who knew of the history I just touched upon knew the SMO’s denazification goal would be very hard to attain. And that problem doesn’t just exist within Western Ukraine as Doctorow alluded to in his chat with Diesen yesterday. The genuine roots are far deeper than most are willing to admit and therein lies the big problem–Too many in and with power are unwilling to cede their Exceptionalism and the dominance they believe they merit–a belief very close to the Divine Right of Kings but more dangerous. This Bad Seed within Humanity has existed for millennia in the West, and we’re very fortunate it didn’t infect the entire world. I’ve been airing this issue since I first arrived at MoA many years ago, and we’re not much closer to a solution now than then, the difference being a greater solidarity within Humanity.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2025 18:07 utc | 58

I take umbrage with this article’s headline Europe Demands ‘Security Guarantees’ For Ukraine .
Who the hell is Europe exactly? Ursula VdL?
Plueeze! Ursula can fuck right off with her demands and she can take her Zionist heads of state collaborators with her.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 18 2025 18:10 utc | 59

@S Brennan #11
Unless the email is completely different than what Simplicius published – you likely read the email wrong.
What has happened is that maybe a dozen Ukrainian units, pulled from other fronts, attacked the tip of the “bunny ears” penetration that Russian forces achieved north of Pokrovsk – and pushed the tip down a bit.
The “bunny ears” type of penetration is always an anomaly; almost certainly a result of catastrophic Ukrainian defense failures resulting in Russian advances beyond all expectations, and more importantly, beyond logistic support. Which is what Simplicius notes.
And the outcome will be exactly what has been happening for the last several months: that area of Pokrovsk will stabilize even as the Russians now achieve breakthroughs in all of the areas from which these units were pulled.
The AFU is patching holes in their defense dam with too few corks, even as their corks reduce in number and size.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2025 18:18 utc | 60

he will threaten the EU arse clowns – go along with the deal or face even higher tariffs.
Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 17:27 utc | 37
Yes and no. First, some stuff was exploded and left Hungary and Slovakia without the energy from Russia. Who did that? The “independent” Ukr, off-brand terrorists or the guy who took credit for NS destruction?
And US amb. to Nato said now that Ukr will become a major supplier of weapons to EU, using the 5% they agreed to spend for weapons and that this way Ukr will get the money to rebuild and restore its army. That is the “deal”, those two countries will have to enter the game or live without Russian energy, Trumpy doesn’t like that they don’t give everything to Ukr project and to him.

Posted by: rk | Aug 18 2025 18:22 utc | 61

Russia has been asking for a security guarantee for almost twenty years. Putin requested a security guarantee from the West at the Munich Security Conference in 2007. Rapine of Russia was the goal of the US and Europe then, and still is. Peace guarantees are something capitalists will never provide, which is why the war pigs of the US and Europe have created an issue of a security guarantee for Ukraine. One that would not have been necessary if they had not backed the 2014 coup and installed a fascist government.

Posted by: Keme | Aug 18 2025 18:28 utc | 62

Zelensky looks dressed for a funeral. His own?

Posted by: Fred777 | Aug 18 2025 18:29 utc | 63

DJT likes Hungary and Slovakia…..he can not be pleased with this last minute Volo dark op……..not a good look !

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 18:30 utc | 64

Posted by: exile | Aug 18 2025 17:57 utc | 52
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First thing that came to my mind.
So many people can’t help themselves from advertising who they really are.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2025 18:33 utc | 65

If I am not mistaken Serbia will also be impacted by the pipeline disruption……….just as they are experiencing a NATO/MI6 sponsored color revolution in progress….!
How convenient..

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 18 2025 18:33 utc | 66

The notion that Trump has acceded to Putin’s main demand is purely wishful thinking. Formally speaking, Trump doesn’t need to accede to Trump’s demand. We all know that the war against Russia began years ago, just as the fascists’ war against Russians/Russian speakers in Ukraine began years before the SMO. All that has to happen is that Trump cut off all US role in the war—not just direct supply of money and weapons, but the direction of the war. Trump had no problem with the war in his first term (all that Russiagate nonsense falsified his real hostility to Russia.) And he’s had months to act. He supposedly ran on a platform where Ukraine was Biden’s war. But Biden was beaten by leaks, and gone, and Trump hasn’t forthrightly declared, we’re out of Biden’s war. It was never just Biden’s war (as if a VP directed foreign policy, who takes this idiocy seriously?) Getting out of Ukraine means declaring defeat. Trump remembers how all factions of the MSM turned on Biden after Afghanistan. The ruling class doesn’t forgive its operatives for failure!
Trump getting serious about acceding to Putin would be, I’m sorry, multilateral talks between the warring parties. At a minimum that would be, Zelensky, Trump and Putin (and ideally Macron, Mertz and Starmer too, it’s a big coalition in the war against Russia.) You aren’t trying to make peace

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 18 2025 18:34 utc | 67

Hilarious, the whole CNN live mentions only Zelensky. So the other guys did the trip and are kept in the cafeteria waiting ?

Posted by: Tom | Aug 18 2025 18:36 utc | 68

You are not trying to make peace when you don’t even have the parties to the war meeting. And you aren’t mediating when you are one of the parties to the war either.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 18 2025 18:36 utc | 69

@james #19
You are giving the West far too much credit.
Ukraine – pre SMO – was really 2 areas: the West of Ukraine which was once part of the Polish empire, then the Austro-Hungarian empire, then Ukraine after WW1.
The far right in Ukraine gets is support overwhelmingly from this region, and it was these organizations that worked with the Germans in WW2 to purge Poles, Jews and all other ethno- and demo- groups to make that region “Ukrainian”.
So this has nothing to do with the “West” per se.
The East of Ukraine, however, does not have this history. It is Russian speaking and has been Russia pretty much forever.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 18 2025 18:38 utc | 70

Trump’s meeting with Zelensky has less to do with ending the war and more to do with handing it off to the EU. The US has no interest in ending the war; just the opposite. The US wants to continue the war, but a curtain between the US government and the arming and funding of Ukraine. Much of which might go through the CIA and/or slush funds of the Dept. of Defense. I am convinced that the war will continue, with arms and money funneled through the EU, until Russia achieves all of the original objectives of the SMO. At which time Ukraine will most likely have collapsed entirely and capitulated.
Why should Russia settle for less, when its requirements have been plain and clear since the beginning of the war?

Posted by: Clever Dog | Aug 18 2025 18:39 utc | 71

When Ukraine still had security guarantees from Russia:
Australian Tim Cope travelled in the footsteps of Genghis Khan between 2004 and 2007. A journey on horseback from Mongolia to Hungary.
He also travelled to Ukraine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S8Gx18U5wjU&pp=ygUcYXVmIGRlbiBzcHVyZW4gZGVyIG5vbWFkZW4gMw%3D%3D
I suggest starting at 36:00.
At 39:20 it’s the mayor of a village who exudes Soviet cordiality and naivety, but on his desk is the Bandera flag (black and red).
I wouldn’t be surprised if the history of Ukraine’s secession from the Soviet Union were to show signs of colour revolutions upon investigation.
In order to carry out a secession, you have to suppress similarities and reinforce or even invent differences.
This began on Day 1 of Ukraine’s “independence”.
Complete denazification would require access to Ukraine’s education system.
Without control over the whole of Ukraine, there can be no peace.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Aug 18 2025 18:42 utc | 72

Interesting:
TASS
https://tass.com/world/2004101
UKRAINE CRISIS
18 AUG, 09:37
“Trump says determined to end conflict in Ukraine to spite his critics”
“The US President noted that he doesn’t need the advice of people who have been working on all of these conflicts for years, and were never able to do a thing to stop them”.
“”It would have NEVER happened if I was President. I know exactly what I’m doing, and I don’t need the advice of people who have been working on all of these conflicts for years, and were never able to do a thing to stop them. They are “STUPID” people, with no common sense, intelligence, or understanding, and they only make the current R/U disaster more difficult to FIX,” he wrote on Truth Social.
“Despite all of my lightweight and very jealous critics, I’ll get it done — I always do!!!”
Zelensky still today …. Wants “ceasefire”… refuses the “message”:
“Elections in Ukraine possible after ceasefire” — Zelensky
“Vladimir Zelensky added that a ceasefire and other security measures must first be ensured”
WASHINGTON, August 18. /TASS/. “Vladimir Zelensky said that he is open to holding elections in Ukraine, but believes that safe conditions must first be ensured for their organization.”
“We are open to [the possibility of] elections,” he said, responding to a reporter’s question during a meeting with US President Donald Trump. However, he added that a ceasefire and other security measures must first be ensured.“

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 18:43 utc | 73

And you aren’t mediating when you are one of the parties to the war either.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 18 2025 18:36 utc | 69

Trump’s meeting today with the Euro Zionist leaders would be more favourable to settling Gaza than to settling Ukraine.
On Gaza they are already in agreement.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 18 2025 18:44 utc | 74

If there are to be European security guarantees in Ukraine, configure on the model of Berlin post WWII: say, 25 fixed posts across western Ukraine, each staffed with say 10 troops each from Germany, France, Britain, AND RUSSIA. The front line disappears. All patrols staffed with equal numbers from each guaranteeing country.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 18 2025 18:44 utc | 75

‘Two years ago I had already discussed the question of security guarantees for Ukraine:
The Ukraine is now obviously losing the war. It will soon need to sign a capitulation like ceasefire agreement with Russia.’

‘It will soon need to…’
[TWO YEARS AGO]

‘Continuity of Agenda rules all. There will be no peace until Russia defeats Ukraine on the battlefield, and then the CIA will run guerilla warfare for the foreseeable future.’
‘There will be no peace until Russia defeats Ukraine on the battlefield’
[No worries. Russia has been winning for years now. Just hold on a little bit longer…]

‘Russia is THE power that determines what happens. If Russia does not agree, there is no guarantee, or only a completely worthless one.’
[Except that Russia has been winning the war handily seemingly since it began yet for some reason it’s still unable to dictate terms the way a truly powerful winner would be.
This means either we have been and continue to be lied to about its overall military competence (which Russophiles insist is unparalleled) and its military accomplishments OR it has always wanted the war to drag on just as much as ‘the west’ does.]
Which leads us back to this truism:
‘and then the CIA will run guerilla warfare for the foreseeable future.’
‘Guerilla warfare’ are acts of war, just like sanctions. The term itself is rather nebulous, but if you haven’t even put a dent in the ability of your ‘enemy’ to continue to wage ‘guerilla warfare’ against you…
There is a reason I put ‘enemy’ in quotes.

Posted by: Dan Kelly | Aug 18 2025 18:44 utc | 76

See The Thin Man by Orson Wells for my idea of Russia integrated into security troops.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 18 2025 18:47 utc | 77

Guessing two things regarding Zelensky.
UK has decided it’s time to slide Zaluzhny in, blame war loss on Zelensky and Zelensky get to go sunbathe in Italy.
Zelensky current objective is to stall, string out “peace agreement”, at minimum till Congress returns (Trump pushed Aug 15 & 22nd dates for a reason, seems that reason is Lindsay Graham)
Either way, after this week, handover complete.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 18:52 utc | 78

After the talk with Zelenski Trump will have a meet and greet with a bunch of European premiers, chancellors and presidents. They want the war to continue which requires to keep the U.S. involved in it.
The U$ authorities should put them in the basement of “Comet PingPong”, to remind them of their past childhood.

Posted by: Mann Friedman | Aug 18 2025 19:01 utc | 79

Oh, and I forgot put Linsday Graham in there with them.

Posted by: Mann Friedman | Aug 18 2025 19:03 utc | 80

The “security guarantees” to Lebanon ceasefire, as well as multiple others, never meant crap.
Russia will not have “trip wire ground forces” ever in Ukraine as “peacekeepers”… they’ll take the whole of Ukraine if necessary first.
Alstair Crooke isn’t considering the new ground realities, which are substantially different than 2022 Istanbul considerations of security agreements. They may be helpful, but Russia was always going to go thru UNSC on that part of agreement.
Not that the UNSC matters. As obviously, they don’t observe international law either, or “uphold world peace and security”. A body that should be dismantled, not expanded.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 19:04 utc | 81

Chris N @ 28

I’m curious how Z will dress today – serious attire or GI Joe wannabe? I’d like to see Trump order Z to go get his “fuckin shine box”

He’s wearing his pope funeral get up, Hollywood Prada gangster look. His handlers think this works to win over the 50-70y/o western professional managerial class that came up through the 1980s and 90s, same reason all the EU leaders are all so metrosexual cookie cutter in dress, grooming, comportment, though Meloni needed lessons in etiquette and a fashion makeover, she’s thrilled strutting the latter.
This also explains why Kallas despite her perilous brain function was chosen, it was for her Gwyneth Paltrow appeal to that successful gatekeeper bourgeoisie, Paltrow was the reigning queen of bourgeois enchantment during their formative era, and oddly enough, the entire EU ruling construct isn’t much different than the Wellness industry scam that Paltrow went on to front.
Capture the employers and cultural gatekeepers and you control the working class without much effort, at least that’s the theory.

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 18 2025 19:06 utc | 82

CIA is going to go for stay behinds and terror because it does that on automatic pilot. And is self-funding, needs no approval from Trump or anyone.
A guerrilla army is like fish in the sea. Fine. Ukraine is depopulated. The remaining population is old. Anyone young – like under 70 – and fit, mentally alert, is a standout and an automatic suspect for being a guerrilla. Means of surveillance are vast compared to what was used in past. There will be no anonymous guerrillas.
The depopulation is going to continue. When Russia gets physically closer and is perceived as lurking in every shadow, which they will be, the fish are all going to swim West. Russia won’t just monitor every phone call and every bank transaction. They will park a drone over your house if suspicious. Just to intimidate.
Azov is losers. Big losers. Losers can’t recruit and can’t hold.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 18 2025 19:08 utc | 83

Re Russia as part of security guarantees , the fixed posts should be across EASTERN Ukraine.

Posted by: Kansas | Aug 18 2025 19:09 utc | 84

>>> “How deep has the 80 years of Outlaw US Empire/UK promotion of Nazism in Western Ukraine penetrated and added to the already preexisting hatred promoted by the Hapsburgs to form an ideological base that will be extremely difficult to completely uproot without direct occupation and several generations of reeducation?” <<< Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 18 2025 18:07 utc | 58 . . It's deep in Galicia, no doubt. Mothers feed it to their babies in their milk. But it can dissipate if the Blob isn't funding them. My people were tribal, didn't trust outsiders, but nobody funded their tribalism so it never grew to armed and violent expression. It could have, and relocate us to the Balkans or Galicia and we'd show those pikers the real meaning of "atrocity". So, people can change. Russia's doing the bloody part of the change, if the rest of us would do our part of undercutting the Blob.

Posted by: seer | Aug 18 2025 19:10 utc | 85

RE: ‘Guerilla warfare’ are acts of war, just like sanctions. The term itself is rather nebulous, but if you haven’t even put a dent in the ability of your ‘enemy’ to continue to wage ‘guerilla warfare’ against you…
There is a reason I put ‘enemy’ in quotes.
Posted by: Dan Kelly | Aug 18 2025 18:44 utc | 76
In agreement with you, and will add 2 comments for consideration.
1) Guerrilla warfare destroys and doesn’t make money. It’s useful for a goal, but till hardly “wear Russia down”. It is a lie and trope that Soviet Union “fell” because of “Afghanistan”. Other than a goal, it’s just terrorism.
2) Russian “anti-terrorist” unit, is really a guerrilla warfare unit, and as demonstrated , will give as good as it gets.
You want to blow up an oil tanker, we can blow up an oil tanker. Azerbaijan is an example. But there are many places in the world with UK/EU interest, and Russia isn’t short of “guerrillas” themselves.
Nevertheless, guerrilla warfare, conventional expansion of war or nuclear warfare. Nothing is off the table currently.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 19:21 utc | 86

Unbelievable infantile theater at the Dumb House…Beyond believe…

Posted by: Brigitte Mohnhaupt | Aug 18 2025 19:26 utc | 87

The destruction of the Druzhba pipeline shows several things. First, that NATO’s strategic offensive against Russia’s sources of income continues successfully, once again reducing by a significant fraction the country’s capacity to export hydrocarbons. Second, that the so-called “best air defence system in the world”, as has already been widely demonstrated, is in fact not so effective. Third, it sends a powerful message to those who still “do business” with Russia, since the oil was destined for the Czech Republic, Hungary and Serbia, all countries which, if not exactly friendly towards Moscow, are at least critical of Europe’s overall positions. And the message is also aimed at those outside Europe who purchase anything from Russia “Be warned: we are able to destroy not only the goods themselves, but also the means of transport that carry them, as well as the ports and warehouses where they are stored,without remorse and without scruples. Think carefully”

Posted by: louis | Aug 18 2025 19:40 utc | 88

Ukraine is not going to give up land.
russia started this illegal war with its illegal invasion. Ukrainians and their allies will continue killing russians as long as necessary.
All of the pro-russian talking points here are laughably false.
Slava Ukrainii, and a good russian is a dead russian

Posted by: Sam Marley | Aug 18 2025 19:42 utc | 89

RE: “Meloni needed lessons in etiquette and a fashion makeover, she’s thrilled strutting the latter.”
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Aug 18 2025 19:06 utc | 82
Meloni only there because the Pope sent her to represent his will. He’s still miffed Russia blew his Host mediation site. Besides, he’s arm-in-arm with the triad of the olden days…UK/Israel/Germany…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 19:43 utc | 90

The idiots who mock the best air defense in the world (aside from not understanding what an effective AD is) always fail to realize what would happen to them once missiles start flying the other way around. The suicide cult is strong still.

Posted by: boneless | Aug 18 2025 19:44 utc | 91

Neutrality imposed by treaty is a 16 YO bimbo jaywalking naked in an all male prison with open cells … ask the Belgians.
First it have geographic conditions (being a ressources poor country at the end of a road with uneasy climate and/or terrain.)
Then it’s a state of mind mixing a fierce independence will from everyone and a great ability for negotiating compromises preserving that state of neutrality.
A neutral state can’t emerge without a combination of ALL those conditions.
It’s much more easy to explain in French : “La neutralité est le luxe des confins pauvres et culturellement prêts à tout pour la sauvegarder”.
I wonder what the guy from neutrality studies would think of this definition of mine, but you get it : it has a lot of conditions and is hard to maintain.
Partition would get you a much stable result in the 404 case… I hope it will be preferred.

Posted by: Hiro Masamune | Aug 18 2025 19:46 utc | 92

And what about security garanties for Russia?
All began because the euro-nazis never wanted to give them as they are looking for the desintegration of the Federation of Russia. And nothing changed until now and in the future.
The best garanties for Russia are its weapons.
And those euro-nazis still do not understand what denazification and demilitarisation mean.
Autism again and again.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 18 2025 19:46 utc | 93

Aha we have a true nazi at the bar. Laughable.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 18 2025 19:47 utc | 94

Posted by: boneless | Aug 18 2025 19:44 utc | 91
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They don’t face missiles. If war breaks out, they are heading out of the country or hiding in a bunker.
These “leaders” will never lead from the front.
And they are insane, war and millions dying don’t bother them. They care about civilian casualties like Trump cares about young girls being trafficked out of Mar-a-Lago.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 18 2025 19:48 utc | 95

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/trump-tariffs-india-acts-as-global-clearinghouse-for-russian-oil-trump-trade-advisor-peter-navarro-9105977
Navarro comes out with an opinion article on Monday saying India should stop buying Russian oil. It looks like the administration is going ahead with secondary tariffs for Russian but maybe only against India. The rationale he uses is that India refines the Russian crude oil and sells the oil products elsewhere.
“India acts as a global clearinghouse for Russian oil, converting embargoed crude into high-value exports while giving Moscow the dollars it needs,” Navarro said.

Posted by: fireship | Aug 18 2025 19:50 utc | 96

#galicia #holocaust #rumpukraine #terrorstate
Re: Sam
Centuries of hate, no place to he EU … have fun fighting #russia next 100 years

Posted by: Oui | Aug 18 2025 19:51 utc | 97

RE: Posted by: Sam Marley | Aug 18 2025 19:42 utc | 89
Legal or illegal hardly matters in these times, nor ever really.
And a dead Russian soldier simply means Ukraine will never set foot again on the land that a Russian soldier died.
So sure, SlavaUkrainia or whatever slogan suits your loss.
This war was never about “Ukraine”…

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 18 2025 19:53 utc | 98

Things are simple, the West complicates them.Having lied, they provoked war and elevated it to existential rank for the West and the American Empire it is hard to admit that they have lost, that they are weak, that the glory, the supremacy of the West has gone to hell.What to guarantee, what to fight against Russia? The US could not protect the “Israeli master” from the “barefoot Persians” and fled Afghanistan miserably.The West and America are in a bubble, stuck at the level of 1991: the collapse of the USSR.Why does a neutral state need guarantees? Which neutral countries attacked Russia or the USSR or the Russian Empire? Historically, Kiev was the cradle of the first Russian state. The territories fell under the Tatar-Mongols. Later they came into the possession of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania and then the Polish-Lithuanian Union. The Ukrainians revolted and demanded Union with Russia.So who could offer guarantees to the majority Ukrainian Orthodox population? The West undergoing Islamization with Catholic Poland, what persecuted them in history,or Orthodox Russia?What historical relations exist between the West and a predominantly Russian-speaking and Orthodox Christian state?

Posted by: Surena | Aug 18 2025 19:54 utc | 99

Re: Tom #68
So the other guys did the trip and are kept in the cafeteria waiting?
That’s correct … posse left behind as back-up 😊 enjoying the limelight in DC

Posted by: Oui | Aug 18 2025 19:56 utc | 100