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August 4, 2025
China Does Not Want To Be Hit By Missiles Produced With Its Parts

China's long term planning has allowed it to acquire some serious advantages which it now uses to counter economic and other attacks on it.

The refining of rare earth metals and the production of magnets from them is only one of several advantages it gained. These metals are not really rare. They are usually byproducts of large extractions of other minerals. But their refinement was considered to be environmentally dirty. It is only profitable at a large scale. Over the last two decades China has managed to create a near monopoly in it.

Rare earth magnets, while small in size, end up in a myriad of products. They are cheap but essential and difficult to replace.

As soon as the Trump administration tried to put high tariffs on China the country hit back. The export of rare earth products were stopped until a licensing process had been put into place.

The products are now considered to be dual-use items. China will allow the export of them for civilian purposes but it denies their use for the production of weapons. It wants to prevent to be hit by U.S. missiles which have 'Made in China' labeled parts in them. It is difficult to blame it for that.

Today's Wall Street Journal has nice write up on the issue:

China Is Choking Supply of Critical Minerals to Western Defense CompaniesWSJ via MSN

Earlier this year, as U.S.-China trade tensions soared, Beijing tightened the controls it places on the export of rare earths. While Beijing allowed them to start flowing after the Trump administration agreed in June to a series of trade concessions, China has maintained a lock on critical minerals for defense purposes. China supplies around 90% of the world’s rare earths and dominates the production of many other critical minerals.

While companies have tried to find alternative sources of these minerals in recent years, some of the elements are so niche that they can’t be economically produced in the West, say industry executives.

In addition to the more recent export controls on rare earths, China has since December banned sales to the U.S. of germanium, gallium and antimony—which are used for things like hardening lead bullets and projectiles, and to allow soldiers to see at night.

It is astonishing how many military products use these metals:

More than 80,000 parts that are used in Defense Department weapons systems are made with critical minerals now subject to Chinese export controls, according to data from defense software firm Govini. Nearly all of the supply chains for key critical minerals used by the Pentagon rely on at least one Chinese supplier, Govini said, meaning restrictions from Beijing can cause widespread disruptions.

Since stepping up export controls earlier this year, China has begun requiring companies to provide extensive documentation of how they will use the rare earths and magnets they import. Chinese regulators often demand sensitive information, such as product images and even photos of production lines, to ensure none of the materials go to military use, say Western buyers.

One Western company that supplies Chinese-made rare-earth magnets to both civilian and defense companies says its requests for imported magnets have recently been approved for many civilian purposes—but rejected or delayed for defense and aerospace.

Especially hit are drone makers who provide for the war in Ukraine. Light weigh drone motors need rare earth magnets to run.

There is little the U.S. can do to argue against China's licensing process. At least as long as magnets for civilian purposes continue to be sold:

China exported 352.8 metric tons of rare earth magnets to the US in June, according to data released by the GAC. Reuters reported that China's exports of rare earth magnets to the US in June soared to more than seven times their May level.

The corresponding value of rare earth magnets exports to the US was $16.08 million in June, compared with $2.42 million in May, data from the GAC showed.

In general, China's exports of rare earths to foreign countries expanded in June, maintaining a growth momentum from the previous month.

In June, China exported 7,742.2 metric tons of rare earths, according to the GAC, up 32 percent from the previous month and 60.3 percent from June 2024.

China's exports of rare earths in June climbed to the highest volume since 2009, Bloomberg reported on Monday, citing official data.

The U.S. weapon industry is now in a bit of a panic. China is hunting down smugglers who try to circumvent its prohibitions. Alternative sources are simply not there.

The Pentagon is countering China's move by financing new production lines in the U.S.:

The Department of Defense has awarded grants to expand production of niche materials, including $14 million in funding last year to a Canadian company to produce germanium substrates used in solar cells for defense satellites. In July, the Pentagon took an even bigger step when it agreed to pay $400 million for a stake in MP Materials, the operator of the largest rare-earths mine in the Americas, which is rapidly scaling up its magnet manufacturing capacity.

In the first quarter of 2025 MP Materials had a revenue of $61 million while incurring losses of $23 million.

As China has already captured the global civilian market for magnets it can produce at scale and with profits. The U.S. company will likely only have a very limited range of customers who will have to pay very high prices.

One wonders what other potential high impact intermediate products China has managed to silently monopolize.

Comments

that would be a real shame if the usa military industrial complex was in a bit of a panic, lol… frankly i wish they would just die and suffer the same consequences of all their ill gotten profit over the years, which all the politicians including trump, are only to happy to indulge…
thanks for the post b… china is wise and i wish them every success in all of this..

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2025 15:33 utc | 1

I have been posting about this for months.
The Chinese play “Go” where the opponent is herded and corralled into defeat. It’s not a game that favors overt aggression.
China’s control of supply chains extends to pretty much every good, not just military ones.
Regardless of ideology, tangible reality always gets the final word.
Any armed conflict against China is over before it could begin.
I read this morning that China intercepted an Antimony shipment coming out of Australia and forced it to go back as the power of the one who processes is absolute.
The minerals embargo is being taken very seriously.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 15:33 utc | 2

oh and i guess this is a most important re shoring event that tariffs is going to create!! “The Pentagon is countering China’s move by financing new production lines in the U.S.”

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 3

From my perspective I’d be far more sympathetic to China’s pleadings if it would simply accept Taiwan as an independent country…you know like England now accepts Ireland as an independent country. I mean if the English can pull their horns in why not China?

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4
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Do you even know the history of Taiwan?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 15:39 utc | 5

DW: Pepe Escobar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F63VbumBzaA
“China checkmates…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 4 2025 15:44 utc | 6

As I posted yesterday, in 2024 alone, China produced more tonnage of commercial ships than America has since WW2.
Like the Chinese or not, today they are the boot and America is the ant.
Watch the YouTube channel “Inside China Business”. It’s a Christian American businessman reporting from China.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 15:45 utc | 7

For China to have made this move they must have calculated that the probability of kinetic war with the Empire in the near term has increased significantly. The only alternative is that they intend to reduce the Empire’s weapons supplies to the Ukraine. Of course, the latter will lead to the former in this case.
I’m guessing festivities may begin within the next two years if this is the case. Longer than that will give the Empire time to develop its own production of some of the more critical RE minerals.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 4 2025 15:49 utc | 8

S Brennan 4.
I guess if England could really pull their horns in, and USA too it would be interesting to see if China would too. If US and European horns were pulled in, no doubt Russia would too. I suspect whatever Palestine does Israel will need to be polled.

Posted by: Phil Espin | Aug 4 2025 15:50 utc | 9

I was working at Molycorp Mountain Pass CA when they went bankrupt. MP Materials bought it two years later. As most miners who lurk and comment here know, the process is dirty nasty deadly. I have a love/hate relationship with mining, it was my livelihood for 25 years, compliance. I’ll be watching this with curiosity.

Posted by: Bella | Aug 4 2025 15:50 utc | 10

@b
Doomberg talks about China rare earths and MP Materials in particular:
Youtube video
Doomberg notes the pollution aspect of China rare earth refining from concentrate as well as China’s coal usage.
He also talks about MP Minerals being a great deal because the DoD gets a guaranteed supply of the MP Materials rare earths, ensures that the company stays in business and therefore is a good deal from a national security viewpoint.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 15:51 utc | 11

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 15:51 utc | 11
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China offers university degrees in materials refining.
America offers degrees in sports facility management.
😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 15:59 utc | 12

S Brennan @4: ”I mean if the English can pull their horns in why not China?”
Ireland has no intention of destroying Britain. Perhaps the British wouldn’t be so sanguine about Irish independence if Ireland were a Chinese satrapy and China had a demonstrated history of aggression and an expressed intention of subjugating Britain. Imagine hundreds of $billions in weapons being shipped to Ireland, and Ireland instituting mandatory military service and training.
Including the rest of the circumstances with Taiwan kinda changes the color of the comparison, doesn’t it?

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 4 2025 15:59 utc | 13

@4
Anybody anywhere can separate from whatever political master they or their Chiangist cliche prefer.
I encourage everyone with one of 800 U S. occupation base to send them packing.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 4 2025 16:00 utc | 14

Supply chains take decades to build, and materially cannot be built without Chinese inputs.
When I say that America or the West is finished, that has many angles but the West no longer leads the world in any consequential domain.
And there doesn’t seem to be a plan or a path back to the top.
Mining is essential but it is a small part of the process of obtaining necessary materials.
Just because there is Gallium rich earth, owning that land doesn’t put Gallium into microchips.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 16:06 utc | 15

like England now accepts Ireland as an independent country. I mean if the English can pull their horns in why not China?
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4
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I think you’re forgetting a half dozen Ulster counties?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2025 16:09 utc | 16

As most miners who lurk and comment here know, the process is dirty nasty deadly.

It would be wrong to assume that china is using the same processes today as the US might have developed fifty or more years ago and moved on to convert that into profit.
During the 80s and 90s, China’s development was a prime directive, but they realise that their environment matters and have an army of STEM graduates more than capable of cleaning up their act.
Not having hungry shareholders to reward every quarter heps with such long term projects.
Let us not forget that it is the US military that gifted the world forever chemicals.
It will be interesting indeed to see if in combination with the military whether the US can redevelop these mines at anything close to profit without polluting vast swathes of its own territory with toxic waste.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 16:13 utc | 17

Heaven forbid the U.S MIC reduced to scavenging parts from Russian washing machines.

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 4 2025 16:22 utc | 18

Malenkov 16,
I did not but, it’s a good point. For brevity’s sake I skipped that paragraph.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:23 utc | 19

#4 S Brennan
The brits haven’t left Ireland, 6 counties out of 32 are still under their rule. They also have their man controlling the Irish police force ffs. With your Irish surname I’d expect you kmow this as you would surely know the history of Taiwan and China. You’re obviously a bot then or an absolute gobshite.

Posted by: Ogre | Aug 4 2025 16:24 utc | 20

@ChatNPC #17
You are literally full of shit.
It is not hard at all to verify that China is NOT using some magical new methods of refining rare earths:
Just look up the Baogang Tailings Dam on wiki

A massive complex known as Baogang Steel and Rare Earth mines and manufactures the minerals, but that creates millions of tons of waste per year, and that sludge is dumped nearby in an area that used to be a river, according to the BBC.

Nor is Baogang the only one – here is another in Jiangxi province

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 16:27 utc | 21

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:20 utc | 18
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Denial of what is tangibly and physically happening in the world is unlikely to change what comes next.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 16:31 utc | 22

Ahhh, this is nothing. America is protected by an impenetrable shield of fake news.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 4 2025 16:31 utc | 23

So while Russia rips chips out of washing machines (snort, chuckle) the USA will be busy ripping magnets out of MRI machines . . . oh, wait, they’re doing (the moral equivalent of) that already.

Posted by: pasha | Aug 4 2025 16:32 utc | 24

The only advantage China has is the ability to produce rare earths profitably. If push comes to shove, western powers will simply pay the premium (both, in money and in pollution) to ensure its defense industries have the materials needed. Like the article says, there’s nothing “rare” about them.

Posted by: Spiridon | Aug 4 2025 16:36 utc | 25

Welp, Trump has finally got the chinese to engage. All along, for decades, they’ve mostly eschewed negotiation over trade. They plan their economy and basically plan yours too. They smile and serve tea. Good strategy, but Trump has finally poked them to speak up. Quite an achievement.
I’d expect they’ll use their strengths to cut a good deal, as will the US. REE is one, some others. Healthy negotiation is good.

Posted by: seer | Aug 4 2025 16:46 utc | 26

I have a promsing IPO I need funding for. This product is now subject to big tarriffs and for some reason not produced in the USA. Please invest in my Bananna Factory. Thank YOU

Posted by: steve | Aug 4 2025 16:47 utc | 27

William Gruff 13
Phil Espin 9
And all others, Taiwan’s military has atrophied to the point where it poses no threat to the mainland. Taiwan doesn’t have the population to support such an invasion. Then there is that 100 mile stretch of sea, not 18 miles. Such an invasion force would have to be, at least, 10-times greater than that of 6 JUN 1944. That would be pretty hard to hide on Taiwan for the 3-4 years required to put such assets in place.
All those conditions apply equally to the USA. As Dumbass correctly points out every day, just like a broken 24:00 clock, Chinese maritime forces dwarf that of the US to say nothing of Taiwan. For all it’s evils, the English didn’t bomb Dublin for the work of the IRA, nor did Republic of Ireland invade Northern Ireland for the work of the UDL. And China doesn’t even have that as an excuse for it’s imperial behavior.
No, China doesn’t recognize Taiwan for the same set of reasons that Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine. I apply the same standards to all nations what happened prior to 1949 is long past an is no justification for a war of aggression now that China has risen through the insatiable greed of the US/Euro elitist-class and their sycophantic minions.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 28

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 16:27 utc | 22
According to the BBC LOL, on Wikipedia LOLOL.
Your second link is more interesting.
Several things become apparent (if only you had read it):
i) the mine in question is closed
ii) China is indeed seriously trying to clean up the mess
iii) improved processing is more costly and should be added in a premium to the cost of the rare earths
Which is kinda what I said.

Now, local and federal officials have shut down illegal and small-scale rare earth mining operations and embarked on a cleanup of polluted sites. Part of wider efforts across China to begin addressing severe problems of water, air, and soil pollution, the cleanup here was highlighted in late May when Chinese President Xi Jinping visited Ganzhou, the major city in the rare earth mining region. Touring a rare earth processing facility that produces magnets for high-tech products, Xi discussed how to mine rare earths without causing the environmental damage now confronting Ganzhou, Longnan, and other areas in Jiangxi Province.

I wait with bated breath to see if the US does likewise or simply hides the damage behind the figleaf of Muh National Security.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 16:59 utc | 29

@ S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4
obviously you know very little of the history to make sure a remark… ignorance is bliss or in the case of some americans, much worse..

Posted by: james | Aug 4 2025 17:02 utc | 30

@S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 30
Okay you squeezed out another forced “China bad” post, Gramps.
Anything new under the sun?

Posted by: Roland | Aug 4 2025 17:02 utc | 31

Circumventing export controls or sanctions, now that’s a though one that no nation ever has done. Maybe India and China should choke the US economy. Trump is getting more ridiculous with each day. If India gives in to Trump’s tariffs what would stop him from demanding India buying F-35, Nvidia chips instead of Chinese, or anything else? We are not making trade deals but wielding economic warfare. The west is already paying a multiple for subpar weapons, surely extra costs from rare earth medal can come on top of it. Let them spend till they default. This might be the best method to defeat the west, do nothing and let them spend into bankruptcy.

Posted by: Ramon | Aug 4 2025 17:04 utc | 32

Very Funny! I recall seeing a massive pile of broken drones that could be harvested for their mini-magnets and am surprised such a “service” has yet to be initiated within Russia, which had possession of that drone pile.
As for the lack of production facilities within the Outlaw US Empire, Neoliberal doctrine can be cited as the reason for its absence, not the environmental issues since Trump would’ve eliminated them during his first term, just as he’s doing now. And I’ll wager there’s a small fortune at every car wrecking lot with all those mini-magnets inside them–there’s an opportunity for some entrepreneur.

Posted by: karlof1 | Aug 4 2025 17:04 utc | 33

– The timing of this is curious or perhaps NOT curious. Over a number of days the US will impose tariffs of 500% (???) on countries that trade with China & Russia. Coincedence ? Far from !!!

Posted by: WMG | Aug 4 2025 17:08 utc | 34

Like the article says, there’s nothing “rare” about them.
Posted by: Spiridon | Aug 4 2025 16:36 utc | 26

That is something of an urban myth, the real reason is more nuanced.
i) their crustal abundance is not that high. Depending on the metal,one or two are more abundant than some more familiar metals, most are lower to much lower. (For comparison, there is more gold dissolved/dispersed in sea water than has ever been mined on land, problem is it is so dispersed that processing sea water for its gold would be near impossible).
ii) few geological processes occur that concentrate them into higher grade ores which are commercially attractive
iii) extracting them is tricky, generates a lot of waste and produces a mixture of REEs, depending on the source
iv) separating them from each other is equally difficult and requires many steps
That is why they are described as rare.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 17:10 utc | 35

China is also a leader in “new materials” development.
Double-whammy.
Any kinetic action between China and America will be short and sweet. Expect the Americans to engage in British-style terrorism, but the Chinese will probably shrug that off.
IMO, Taiwan is the Asian Ukraine, a channel for graft and kickbacks. Taiwanese going to China are amazed at how nice China is, and they are pissed off when they get back home. Just like Ukraine, Taiwan’s government isn’t focused on developing the nation.
America should focus on fundamentals like the budget, education, etc. The West is nowhere near ready to compete with China, let alone confront it.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 17:19 utc | 36

There’s a country that demands China sell them the rare earths to build weapons to surround & coerce China with, while condemning the Chinese tailing ponds essenial to mine them. But it worse than that. The whole time this country proclaims both their environmentally-moral superiority and their plan to mine rare earths themselves .. I guess without tailing ponds, apparently by magic.

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Aug 4 2025 17:19 utc | 37

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Aug 4 2025 17:19 utc | 39
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Greenland is far away, and for these purposes, a fine location to poison the environment.
Colonizers always offload costs onto others, often at the point of a gun. The age of bullying native peoples is ending with the advent of cheap weapons and 3D printing. “Security” costs are to be avoided.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 17:22 utc | 38

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 30 ogre @21 is correct to point out how foolish it is to compare Taiwan to Ireland. The assertion that what happened before 1949 is more or less irrelevant ancient history is equally foolish. The democratic right of self-determination of nations means the right to national unity. Standing against the PRC’s right to national unity is antidemocratic. Nonsense about how ROC (aka Taiwan) has been around like a separate nation makes it one, therefore there is democratic right to self-determination for a part of a nation taken over by military force is nothing by a superficially principled excuse for siding with US imperialism. It’s like the English liberal politicians who supported the CSA. (John Stuart Mill was an honorable exception.)
The right to a national—and secular—government was the issue at stake that justified the Assad government against its enemies, despite its flaws.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 4 2025 17:23 utc | 39

This will only galvanise the growing movement in the US to make sure that essential components come from non-Chinese, or non Sino-influenced countries. Trump’s neatly side-stepped their influence in Congress and the Senate by having nearly a trillion dollar infrastructure investment fund, supplied by some countries during tariff negotiations, to spend on pretty much what he wants. Guess we know what one area of spending will now be.
China only has a transitory advantage, now that they have been forced to take this measure, and I doubt they can capitalise on it, given the current geo-political situation. Far from some posters suggesting China is waking up, the reality is the reverse, America is waking up and realising their inherent vulnerabilities. Imagine what happens when anti-Chinese sentiment at this, and similarly directed policies, is used to effectively reduce or remove their illicit access to Western technological know-how. Supply chains can be readjusted and reconfigured, but a knowledge gap is far harder to rectify, as it usually involves societal change at a fundamental level, and a relaxation of control mechanisms.

Posted by: Milites | Aug 4 2025 17:24 utc | 40

S Brennan @30
Chill out with the off-the-wall hyperbole and nonsensical comparisons. China hasn’t bombed Taipei, nor is it going to. There are also no parallels whatsoever between occupied Palestine and Taiwan. Despite the shrill hysteria of ignorant and brainwashed bitches in the West, China has no interest in genocide. Indeed, compare the ”genocide” in Xinjiang which involved no bombings, tanks, or in fact anything deadly at all, and didn’t destroy any homes or infrastructure, and resulted in no hunger at all; not even slight peckishness, with what the zionist scum are up to. No comparison in there at all. The only criticism that could possibly apply against the Chinese here is ”cultural genocide”, but that only really applies if you consider bad hygiene and illiteracy as Uighur’s core cultural traits.
A better comparison would be the Ukraine, which was also atrophied from Soviet days and not just militarily, but economically, culturally and socially; nevertheless, look at the grief the Empire is causing Russia using the Ukraine as a blunt instrument.
Get a grip. You can do better.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 4 2025 17:31 utc | 41

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 4 2025 17:23 utc | 41
Indeed, self-determination and responsibility to protect are very moveable feasts in the Collective Waste with its deeply held but unspecified values.
On a historical note there was a long debate in 1944 in the US military as to whether to reoccupy the Phillipines or invade Formosa (it being much closer to the Japanese Home Islands). Formosa was eventually declared (rightly so) as unassailable.
In the end they went for the Phillipines and struggled with that, it was not fully liberated before VJ Day.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 17:32 utc | 42

“China doesn’t recognize Taiwan for the same set of reasons that Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine.”
That comment is totally at odds with the historical record and cultural interworking between China and Taiwan. Either bad faith or ignorance.

Posted by: Tom Paine | Aug 4 2025 17:47 utc | 43

Meh, a big nothingburger.
Russia has been doing fine by cannibalizing refrigerators and washing machines to support their war efforts. The US should have no difficulty doing the same.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Aug 4 2025 18:04 utc | 44

Another dumb aspect of this rare earth shortage? Where’s the scrap market? I take copper, brass and aluminum to the scrapyard – and sometimes, piles of chips (gold content) but my pile of rare earth magnets just sits there. Shipping would be prohibitive.

Posted by: Eighthman | Aug 4 2025 18:08 utc | 45

The ignorance here of Taiwan’s history is shocking:
First off, the indigenous people of Taiwan are not Han or any near Asiatic group. They are an Indo-Pacific people, in shorthand,Polynesian types. The indigenous people of Taiwan look distinctly different from Han or, any other nearby Asiatic group. The first contact with China comes in the in the late 13th Century and that’s “contact” not colonization. Taiwan was largely ignored by China, it was seen as a place of sickness and disease.
In the early 1500’s the first Portuguese settlements appeared as trading/replenishment stations. The Dutch and Spanish followed in the 1600’s. Still no Chinese presence to speak of, perhaps 1500 in total. Nope, it wasn’t until these European settlements were in place that Chinese peoples emigrated in significant numbers from the mainland. Then in the late 17th century China decided to “claim” Taiwan/Formosa. For comparison, the conquest of Ireland takes place in the late 13th century, hence my claim in comment 4. So, it the totality of history, China’s “claim” lasted only 300 years and most that is just that, claim. England held Ireland, through actual conquest for twice as long.
In the late 19th Century China ceded Taiwan to Japan after losing the Sino-Japanese war. Japan began a modernization program that lasted until the end of the war. The then in power Nationalist declared Taiwan theirs. It did so with no legal basis, as China had little to do with Japan’s defeat, quite the opposite, the US started the war against Japan to defend an incompetent and helpless China.
At this point, mainland China’s claim is really, at best, 200 years in total, it’s actual rule closer to 100-150 years, Japan’s rule is just over 50 years,the Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese have ~100 years of rule, the indigenous non-Han peoples some 4,000 years and Taiwan as an interdependent state is now 75 years.
So, in summary, Mainland China’s claim to Taiwan rests solely on the claims of the Nationalist who, the CCP has declared as illegitimate. Talk about trying to have your cake and eat it too. In any event, Taiwan has operated as an independent country, a vibrant society, with cutting edge technology for 75 years. The country of Taiwan is rank 15th in world economies. It has a lifestyle superior to that of the US. Mainland China’s claim to Taiwan is without, historical, moral or, legal standing.
It is shocking to me how effective the CCP’s rewriting of history has been, why is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what England did to the Irish, what France does to Françafrique morally repugnant and yet when China sets out to do the same thing people here fall all over themselves to support it?

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 18:11 utc | 46

Clueless is truly living up to his reputation as an alphabet troll specialising in anti China rhetorics.
He has never been in China to see the huge environmental changes the Chinese government has done to provide a cleaner environment for her people. China and India are leading the world in planting greenery.
Rare earth is not rare but the final metals must be processed by several steps to arrive at the useful metal ore stage. The process can be environmentally harmful if one just want to get the forest. That was the Chinese at the start. Today, China owns the most patents in the world on processing rare earth and moving towards ecologically sound processes. Legislation has been passe to clean up the thousands of small mining companies, many are illegal (gosh China has private companies!) since 1990 with the goal of consolidaing the supply chains and today the whole process is in the hands of 6 corporations, making state regulations effectively applied.
Here is DeepSeek to explain how China is working towards a safe ecology in processing:
“China has implemented a series of measures to avoid environmental pollution in rare earth processing, demonstrating its commitment to sustainable development and environmental protection. These measures include:
1. **Strict Environmental Regulations**: The Chinese government has enacted stringent environmental laws and standards for the rare earth industry, ensuring that all enterprises comply with pollution control requirements. This includes limits on emissions of harmful substances and proper disposal of waste.
2. **Advanced Processing Technologies**: China has invested heavily in research and development to adopt more environmentally friendly and efficient rare earth extraction and processing technologies. These technologies reduce the use of harmful chemicals and minimize waste generation.
3. **Closed-Loop Production Systems**: Many rare earth processing facilities in China have adopted closed-loop production systems, which recycle water and chemicals, significantly reducing the discharge of pollutants and conserving resources.
4. **Ecological Restoration**: China has initiated programs to restore ecosystems affected by rare earth mining and processing. This includes reforestation, soil remediation, and water treatment projects to rehabilitate degraded areas.
5. **Industry Consolidation**: The government has promoted the consolidation of the rare earth industry, shutting down small, inefficient, and polluting operations, and supporting larger, more technologically advanced enterprises that can better manage environmental impacts.
6. **International Cooperation**: China collaborates with other countries and international organizations to share best practices and technologies for sustainable rare earth processing, contributing to global environmental protection efforts.
Through these comprehensive measures, China is effectively balancing the development of its rare earth industry with the need to protect the environment, ensuring a green and sustainable future.”

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 18:12 utc | 47

@ S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 30
>> For all it’s evils, the English didn’t bomb Dublin for the work of the IRA, nor did
>> Republic of Ireland invade Northern Ireland for the work of the UDL.
This isn’t analogous. Neither the IRA nor UDL stood any chance of acquiring containers of nuke-tipped autonomous weapons. It’s a different world.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 4 2025 18:20 utc | 48

It’s absolutely true what Putin said in the Tucker Carlson interview; the U.S. is the master of propaganda.
Taiwan is legally a part of China under INTERNATIONAL LAW (you know, what Westoids keep harping about [when it suits their imperialism])…but all the weasel-words (look up the Wikipedia entry if you don’t know what they are) such as “China claims” and “China invades” create the deliberate misimpression that there are two separate countries here.
China can no more “claim” or “invade” Taiwan any more than the 101st Airborne were invading Little Rock, Arkansas to escort six black kids to their local public school….

Posted by: AnonymousObserver | Aug 4 2025 18:28 utc | 49

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 18:12 utc | 47
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In Confucianism, balance is always a priority.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 18:29 utc | 50

Sorry for the off-topic comment… but I’d like B. to open a thread on Azerbaijan and
the 42km corridor in southern Armenia, which is receiving strong pressure from the West.
And also on the fact that there are rumors of a NATO base being opened in Azerbaijan.
Russia should stop playing 5D right now and take tough action on these issues.
And not wait for things to get worse.
Of course, playing on two or even three fronts right now is no joke.
Come on, B. Thanks.

Posted by: kammamuri | Aug 4 2025 18:31 utc | 51

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 18:11 utc | 46
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A Zionist History of the World. 😂😂😂

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 18:32 utc | 52

@ChatNPC #29
So you deny that these tailings ponds exist?
Otherwise, while I think the BBC is junk in general – it does not mean that what they report is always wrong.
Show me some of these modern, new rare earths plants that do not pollute.
Otherwise, just garbage from you.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 18:33 utc | 53

…”If India gives in to Trump’s tariffs what would stop him from demanding India buying F-35, Nvidia chips instead of Chinese, or anything else?” ..
Posted by: Ramon | Aug 4 2025 17:04 utc | 33
{from Palestine Open:]
US links $1.9bn in state disaster funds to Israel boycott stance
States and cities in the US will not receive funding from the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to prepare for natural disasters if they choose to boycott Israeli companies, according to a Department of Homeland Security memo.
States must certify that they will not cut off “commercial relations specifically with Israeli companies” to receive the grants from FEMA, the memo said.
The condition applies to at least $1.9bn that states rely on to pay for search and rescue equipment, emergency manager salaries, backup power systems and other expenses, according to 11 agency grant notices reviewed by the Reuters news agency.
Critics said the move is the latest by the Trump administration to use routine federal funding to advance its political message at the state level.
https://aje.io/6n5fcc?update=3872320.
Posted by: teri | Aug 4 2025 17:19 utc | 91
Next?

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 4 2025 18:36 utc | 54

RE: Indigenous Taiwanese
They are related by DNA to modern-day Chinese, being a much earlier migration by way of the Philippines (who are therefore also closely related to modern Chinese)…but no they are not culturally related.
And go look up the studies yourself; should keep you away from commenting here spewing ignorance and disinformation SMDH

Posted by: AnonymousObserver | Aug 4 2025 18:37 utc | 55

This is to burst the fake info from this alphabet troll Brennan. It’s from Britannicca.
Next Brennan will declare white master race brought civilisation to the rest of the apes in the garden.
Chinese didn’t go to Taiwan island only after European powers grabbed it. There have been Chinese settlements on the island for thousands of years.
“There are references to Taiwan in Chinese court records dating to the 3rd century bce. The first recorded contact between China and Taiwan occurred in 239 ce, when the Chinese emperor sent a 10,000-man mission to Taiwan to explore the island.
Meanwhile, perhaps as early as the 7th century, Chinese fishermen visited the P’eng-hu Islands, and probably some farmers settled there and on Taiwan itself. In any event, there were Chinese settlements on the island of Taiwan before the 12th century. ”
https://www.britannica.com/topic/history-of-Taiwan

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 18:37 utc | 56

@Surferket #47
LOL working towards means IS NOT HAPPENING NOW.
That’s right up there with China being a leader in fighting CO2 pollution and other forms of pollution even as it burns literally more coal than the entire rest of the world, put together.
Note that I personally don’t have any issues with coal or any other form of energy per se – but nobody is going to be able to argue that burning so much coal is “green”.
Anyway, your idiocy is on full display as usual, as is your pathetic attempts to try and insult.
All you display with such childish attempts is that you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
Nor do you pay attention to my long, long history on MoA: other dumbfucks have tried to insult me with the same lame name-twisting you attempt and fail for the same reason: my moniker has nothing to do with the word CLUE.
LOL dipshit.

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 18:40 utc | 57

@ChatNPC #29
So you deny that these tailings ponds exist?
Otherwise, while I think the BBC is junk in general – it does not mean that what they report is always wrong.
Show me some of these modern, new rare earths plants that do not pollute.
Otherwise, just garbage from you.
Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 18:33 utc | 53

Where I did I deny their existence?
I simply read the article to which you linked (as you embarrassingly did not), which explains their origin, what is being done to outlaw such operations and clean them up and how there are plans to improve processing to reduce the pollution in the future.
The article is dated 2019 and given the government impetus and the strides China has made in other areas of technology, we might suppose such improvements are underway.
But hey, you just keep chucking cheap insults, its so much easier than actually informing yourself.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 18:45 utc | 58

Disclaimer: I’m no expert – but from what I gathered, Taiwan was also spared the culture revolution with all that it entailed, including a new of spelling Chinese which makes it hard to access old texts unless you’re studying the alphabet. In some ways, Taiwan represents a window into ancient Chinese culture which is not preserved anywhere else. Of course this was not the intention of the US when they used internal differences to their own advantage. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2025 18:50 utc | 59

Not surprised in the slightest by this.
“Bloomberg journalist Jason Leopold reported this morning that the president’s name has been redacted from more than 100,000 documents the FBI has on child-sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2025 18:50 utc | 60

Posted by: c1ue | Aug 4 2025 18:40 utc | 57
You mean your reputation as a anti China alphabet troll on MOA?
I’ve been on MOA, Saker, Southfront since 2014 but I don’t claim bragging rights.
Clueless. Which country actually has effective clean rare earth processing in actual practice? Who owns the patents.
This is from CIA owned Wikipedia.
“New industrial scale electrokinetic mining techniques developed in China’s Guangzhou Institute of Geochemistry have shown large reductions in the use of bleaching agents and mining time, with environmental monitoring confirming 95% reduced emissions of NH3, while being 95% efficient in extracting the rare earth elements from a given mining site compared to the 40 to 60% efficiency of conventional mining techniques.”
These are the references cited by the article.
https://scitechdaily.com/revolutionizing-rare-earth-mining-electrokinetic-technology-achieves-95-recovery/
https://techxplore.com/news/2025-01-electrokinetic-rare-earth-technique-upscaled.html

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 18:52 utc | 61

Trump’s administration, has suspended disaster aid to US states – that have boycotted Israeli firms.
It appears Zionist businesses – are worth more than American lives.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 4 2025 18:54 utc | 62

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 17:32 utc | 42
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The US didn’t decline to invade Taiwan because it was unassailable. They chose to invade the Philippines instead because the still potent Jap Navy would have to transit through its island channels in order to engage, putting them at great risk as we saw. Taiwan would have offered the IJN many open vectors of approach. Militarily Taiwan made less sense, although USN gloryseekers wanted a great open sea battle, no matter the cost (think Okinawa times 5 or 10).

Posted by: seer | Aug 4 2025 18:57 utc | 63

It should surprise no one that the America Bros/MAGAs don’t know much about Chinese history, manufacturing, or scientific progress.
It doesn’t matter. Not being able to make missiles will likely matter.
That’s a very Confucian way to handle conflict. Nullify the other’s offensive capability bloodlessly.
Those who want peace, this is a good sign. Every bomb and missile deployed by Israel/Ukraine cannot be replaced at this time.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 19:03 utc | 64

Posted by: seer | Aug 4 2025 18:57 utc | 63
Of course, one of the reasons they didn’t invade was the presence of so much Japanese manpower and airpower on the Chinese mainland as well as the fortified nature of Taiwan itself which, as we saw on Iwo Jima and Okinawa would have made a contested amphibious assault very costly to the attackers. The US already knew this from the assault on Peleliu amongst others.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 19:04 utc | 65

US did invade and occupied Taiwan during the Korean War on the excuse of using it as a supply base.
US also plotted with Chiang to invade China mainland on 2 axis afer “winning the Korean War”. Chiang would storm from across Taiwan and US move into north China from Korea.
Well with the victory of the PLAV that plan ended.

Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 19:04 utc | 66

Thanks for the posting b
China plans strategically and the US plans for profit strategically and misses the bigger picture….on purpose, IMO
What China and Russia need to do now is force the West to use up its inventory of rare earth munitions/missiles more than already….and maintain the restrictions on export from China….global demilitarization has a nice ring to it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 4 2025 19:13 utc | 67

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 19:04 utc | 65
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Again, Taiwan made no military sense. Neither did Peliliu and Iwo Jima, for that matter.

Posted by: seer | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 68

What happens when US gets hypersonics?

Posted by: TG1 | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 69

TG1 @69
Boeing’s DEI hires are going to design those, right?
Anyway, that’ll coincide with the Second Coming, so maybe there will be more issues to fill the news cycles with then.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 4 2025 19:24 utc | 70

What happens when US gets hypersonics?

Posted by: TG1 | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 69
It will have to try to make them actually work properly…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2025 19:25 utc | 71

What happens when US gets hypersonics?
Posted by: TG1 | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 69
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Hypersonics aren’t the issue.
Effective AD is.
Hypersonics are fast, but they also maneuver while in flight; they are very difficult to target.
Then, if they have MIRVs, good luck trying to intercept them.
If anyone has a plan to stop them, it is likely the Russians or Chinese.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 19:30 utc | 72

I seem to remember that an embargo on scarce material (oil) tipped Japan’s hand in ’41. And China ain’t no stranger to gunboat diplomacy. Are these elements a potential casus belli?

Posted by: Patroklos | Aug 4 2025 19:31 utc | 73

Back to hypersonics, IIRC, at least with Oreshnik, Russia had to design new materials to make it work.
How will America do much military innovation without access to resources?
I have a very particular view of American dominance vis-à-vis colonialism vs. the ROW over the last 2 centuries.
The head start in maths, law, and commerce has mostly run out now. It is a relatively level playing field at this time.
Would the Apache, Mayans, or Zimbabweans have been subjugated if they had gunpowder firearms and a supply chain for ammunition?
Once the playing field levels, real competition begins.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 19:35 utc | 74

“The Department of Homeland Security, the agency that oversees FEMA, in April said, opens new tab that boycotting Israel is prohibited for states and cities receiving its grant funds.

The requirement is largely symbolic. At least 34 states already have anti-BDS laws or policies, according to a University of Pennsylvania law journal. …”[ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-links-19-billion-state-disaster-funds-israel-boycott-stance-2025-08-04/ ]

Surprised there are any states not having such laws or policies. Sets the stage for litigation over any transaction for any product that Israel could have supplied. Cue the Choruz …

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 4 2025 19:36 utc | 75

One of China’s main tasks in the next decade is avoiding stepping into the Taiwan trap the west has set for them just like the Ukraine trap set for Russia … the task for the Taiwanese is to avoid becoming like Ukraine, trampled between the elephants.
Otherwise, things will take care of themselves … if Taiwan is indeed an integral and natural part of China, it will naturally grow closer over time to the point where integration will be a formality. If it’s instead naturally separate and independent, then it will continue to drift apart to the point where it will not be worth china’s time and considerable effort to force unify.
I think both these entities and people are too smart/wise to fall for the western trap and the warmongers will be disappointed.

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 4 2025 19:40 utc | 76

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Mon, 04 Aug 2025 19:25:00 GMT | 71

What happens when US gets hypersonics?
Posted by: TG1 | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 69
It will have to try to make them actually work properly…

Any takers on a bet how long this will take? I’m saying 10+ years and max 20, or a bit faster if spycraft does the trick. However, this extrapolation includes some assumptions, for one the dubious pool of industrial resources including materials and money, and then the quality of human resources to get it done. I don’t know about the DEI hires, but whoever is making Starship now does not convince me there’s an endless talent pool. In any case, the Chinese and others will be way ahead in the trajectory.

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2025 19:41 utc | 77

Again, Taiwan made no military sense. Neither did Peliliu and Iwo Jima, for that matter.
Posted by: seer | Aug 4 2025 19:14 utc | 68
The rationale was to obtain a suitable airstrip within range of the Home Islands from which the USAAF could bomb the bejeesus out of Japan.
In that sense, Taiwan made sense, as did Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Peleliu was an outlier nobody can explain.
In the end they flew a lot from Guam and Tinian.
US did invade and occupied Taiwan during the Korean War on the excuse of using it as a supply base.
Posted by: Surferket | Aug 4 2025 19:04 utc | 66
Not sure ‘invasion’ is the right term. They did sail a fleet round and round the island as a ‘deterrent’ and there’s no denying the paranoid incompetence of MacArthur which persists to this day and still keeps the US bogged down in East Asia.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 19:42 utc | 78

At this point, mainland China’s claim is really, at best, 200 years in total, it’s actual rule closer to 100-150 years, Japan’s rule is just over 50 years,the Dutch/Spanish/Portuguese have ~100 years of rule, the indigenous non-Han peoples some 4,000 years and Taiwan as an interdependent state is now 75 years.
So, in summary, Mainland China’s claim to Taiwan rests solely on the claims of the Nationalist who, the CCP has declared as illegitimate. Talk about trying to have your cake and eat it too. In any event, Taiwan has operated as an independent country, a vibrant society, with cutting edge technology for 75 years. The country of Taiwan is rank 15th in world economies. It has a lifestyle superior to that of the US. Mainland China’s claim to Taiwan is without, historical, moral or, legal standing.
It is shocking to me how effective the CCP’s rewriting of history has been, why is what Israel is doing to the Palestinians, what England did to the Irish, what France does to Françafrique morally repugnant and yet when China sets out to do the same thing people here fall all over themselves to support it?
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 18:11 utc | 46

It seems to me that if you want to compare the China/Taiwan situation to the Israel/Palestine situation, you have the analogy wrong, and the correct analogy runs counter to your argument.
You seem to imply in the paragraphs cited above that Taiwan belongs to Taiwan because of the meager number of years it was part of China as opposed to the centuries of habitation by indigenous peoples (which, as has been noted, include ethnically Chinese communities as well). In that case the analogous “Israelis” would not be the PRC, which isn’t occupying Taiwan anyway, but instead the Nationalists who fled to the island in 1949 and proceeded to make second-class citizens of the non-Han populations. So just as the Palestinians deserve to have their land back and determine which Jews should have a right to remain in Palestine — presumably those whose families had lived continuously in Palestine for centuries already? — so the pre-1949 Taiwanese should have the same rights with regard to the Nationalists and their descendants. So just as Jewish squatter settlers should be sent back to New York City or Galicia, so the Nationalists should be sent back to . . . where, exactly?

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2025 19:52 utc | 79

China mines 70% of the rare earths in the world but refines 90% of the world’s production because refining is an expensive and highly technological process that China has spent 40 years developing, according to Carl Zha appearing on the Rachel Blevins podcast a couple of days ago. Zha said that most Chinese universities offer classes on rare earth mining and refining while no such courses are taught at US universities; the U.S. lacks the human capital to do the training. Even after developing this capacity over a few years, the US would still lack the machines required for the refining process. They would have to get them from China, Zha says. 9He also mentioned that 80% of US antibiotics are imported from China.)
https://youtu.be/zaJEys-LhZw?si=WOxj1Ml6Jl5o44g3&t=116
NJ Noh yesterday on the Danny Haiphong podcast mentioned what he calls the Four Horsemen of Capitalism, three of which apply to Zha’s description of the U.S. situation re rare earth production. These are deindustrialization, extreme financialization, and general deskilling. These would appear to be impediments to the US being able to internally meet its rare eart needs in the near term.
https://www.youtube.com/live/aw84E8AM52Y?si=Jc37hCd7W7YxEwJ3&t=964

Posted by: mjh | Aug 4 2025 20:09 utc | 80

Ahah, sooooooo……. The yanks will have to disassemble their washing machines to build weapons…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:14 utc | 81

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 4 2025 19:40 utc | 76
There is no trap. If necessary a blockade will be enough. The Chinese island has no fossil fuel. And there is no way it could receive supplies from the outside.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:19 utc | 82

Once the playing field levels, real competition begins.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 19:35 utc | 74
And the west will lose.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:21 utc | 83

@Naive| 81

Ahah, sooooooo……. The yanks will have to disassemble their washing machines to build weapons…

Lol!

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2025 20:22 utc | 84

From my perspective I’d be far more sympathetic to China’s pleadings if it would simply accept Taiwan as an independent country…you know like England now accepts Ireland as an independent country. I mean if the English can pull their horns in why not China?
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4
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Because Taiwan is part of China, and the USA agreed that this was the case back in the 1970s.
Comparisons with Ireland are silly.
Ireland was a conquered and colonized island.
Taiwan, not.
Chiang lost the Chinese civil war, remember?
Next you will be saying that Hainan Island is a separate country.

Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2025 20:29 utc | 85

Ever notice how only Zionists use the term CCP?

Posted by: Meh | Aug 4 2025 20:31 utc | 86

And there doesn’t seem to be a plan or a path back to the top.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 16:06 utc | 15

Wait, wait, wait… Doesn’t the megalomaniac orange haired psychopath have a plan to do just that?!
Yes, I know both of us have TDS according to the gruff man.
Ooooh, but I understand now why we are suffering of TDS: the megalomaniac orange haired psychopath’s plan is to hasten the end of the yank empire. That’s clever, indeed.
What is sure is that some countries are falling at high speed…
Congratulations!
Now remember: on the 8th of August nothing will happen. Bluff man is bluffing. How funny!

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:34 utc | 87

Posted by: mjh | Aug 4 2025 20:09 utc | 80
Add to that the competency crisis in the West as a result of neo-liberal deindustrialisation.
Stem graduates numbers are declining, university faculties for science and engineering withering on the vine.
The best mathematicians and physicists get hired into finance to create money printing algorithms. Scientists, engineers and even It grads were merrily thrown on the scrap heap during the great offshoring boom of the nineties and naughties.
The skills and competency are gone and the pipeline for new ones reduced to a trickle.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 4 2025 20:34 utc | 88

Ever notice how only Zionists use the term CCP?
Posted by: Meh | Aug 4 2025 20:31 utc | 86
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I’d say Sinophobes and those with a communism-phobia myself, although there’s lots of overlap with the Zionists. I think that they use “CCP” because it’s supposed to remind us of eternal and unique archenemy CCCP.

Posted by: malenkov | Aug 4 2025 20:35 utc | 89

Ever notice how only Zionists use the term CCP?
Posted by: Meh | Aug 4 2025 20:31 utc | 86
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It’s petty and small. It denotes weakness, not strength.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 20:39 utc | 90

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 28
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Wow, first Taiwan = Ireland.
Then Taiwan = Palestine.
Where are we going next???
It is absurd to compare Israel to China.
And Taiwan to Palestine.
For starters, Israel is an illegal state occupying territory WITHIN Palestine.
Just for starters.
The two (three) situations have virtually nothing in common.
Hard to take anything Brennan says very seriously!!

Posted by: Jane | Aug 4 2025 20:40 utc | 91

From my perspective I’d be far more sympathetic to China’s pleadings if it would simply accept Taiwan as an independent country…you know like England now accepts Ireland as an independent country. I mean if the English can pull their horns in why not China?
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 15:35 utc | 4

Who is writing that?
A member of a country which invaded other continents, massacred its native populations, looted the as many ressources as possible, and became receivers of stolen lands?
Please advise.
Did England accept the Amerindians as an independant country? Does France accept French Guyana as an independant country? Does France accept Kanaky as an independant country? And so on…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:41 utc | 92

Made in China 2025.
Not silent, just not loud.

Posted by: Rae | Aug 4 2025 20:42 utc | 93

Any takers on a bet how long this will take? I’m saying 10+ years and max 20

Posted by: persiflo | Aug 4 2025 19:41 utc | 77
I know he is not to everyone’s taste, but Andrei M. reckons the US/West is two to three generations behind in the “arms race” and cannot catch up, it is too far behind now.
Who knows, one day, perhaps the F-35 will be fully debugged…?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2025 20:42 utc | 94

Naive #82: blockade of oil? Really? And what would China do against an American nuclear armada escorting “life saving” fuel to the “besieged” Taiwanese, attack them? Start WW3 over Taiwan? That is exactly the trap I’m talking about …
Remember, the key for China as the rising hegemon is to take over the economic lead with as few shots fired as possible, since time is on its side. Manage the adversary’s slow reduction, avoid collapse.

Posted by: Caliman | Aug 4 2025 20:50 utc | 95

S Brennan @ 4:
If the UK accepts Ireland as an independent nation as you claim, why then does the UK still hang onto Northern Ireland and not allow it to integrate with Ireland?
Your comments @ 4 and elsewhere display not just a biased view of Chinese history and possibly Irish history, they demonstrate bad faith as well. Chinese settlement in Taiwan over the past 400 years does not compare with English/British colonisation/settlement of Ireland. Did Taiwan ever suffer a major famine and mass starvation that resulted in most of its people emigrating, and all of this entirely avoidable, while under direct rule from Beijing during Ming or Manchu rule?
Arguably the one major period in which Taiwan’s history parallels that of Ireland is Taiwan’s immediate post-1949 period when the Nationalists, having lost the civil war in China, fled to the island and they and their followers established themselves as Taiwan’s political elites over Chinese already living there and the indigenous peoples. That’s one parallel between Chinese and Irish histories you “missed”.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Aug 4 2025 20:52 utc | 96

No, China doesn’t recognize Taiwan for the same set of reasons that Israel doesn’t recognize Palestine.
Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 4 2025 16:54 utc | 28

This comparison is despicable. China recognises the island has Chinese territory. Period. Like Hong-Kong was always Chinese, but once occupied by the roastbeefs.
China doesn’t want to ethnic cleanse the island, contrary to the will of the national-zionists against Palestinians. China will never target civilians.
A blockade will do it. As nicely as possible.

Posted by: Naive | Aug 4 2025 20:52 utc | 97

I wish for the USA what USA wishes for China.

Posted by: Klaus | Aug 4 2025 20:58 utc | 98

I know he is not to everyone’s taste, but Andrei M. reckons the US/West is two to three generations behind in the “arms race” and cannot catch up, it is too far behind now.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 4 2025 20:42 utc | 94
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Nassim Taleb wrote a lot about asymmetry.
Once one falls behind, it is difficult to catch up because, as one tries, the leader is often padding their advantage.
Many sports analogies.
China already had an educational advantage; now it has the supply chain advantage. Advantages compound if there is synergy. We see that in how the Russian military is making every platform as much netcentric as possible. The West is still fighting mostly with Vietnam-era armaments.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 4 2025 20:59 utc | 99

@ persiflo | Aug 4 2025 19:41 utc | 77
With some more iterations of AI, hypersonic will be easy. (2030.) Worse bioweapons will be easy.
The RoW must keep pushing itself to gain or extend its leads, because the monsters and their loyal but misguided minions will keep trying.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 4 2025 21:01 utc | 100