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August 6, 2025
By Punishing India Trump Is Creating More Tariff Damage For The U.S.

Today President Trump's envoy Steve Witkoff had a three hour meeting with President Putin of Russia. There is no announcement yet of the outcome of the talk.

But shortly after the meeting was over President Trump amended this Executive Order:

ADDRESSING THREATS TO THE UNITED STATES BY THE GOVERNMENT OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION

I have received additional information from various senior officials on, among other things, the actions of the Government of the Russian Federation with respect to the situation in Ukraine. After considering this additional information, among other things, I find that the national emergency described in Executive Order 14066 continues and that the actions and policies of the Government of the Russian Federation continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.

To deal with the national emergency described in Executive Order 14066, I determine that it is necessary and appropriate to impose an additional ad valorem duty on imports of articles of India, which is directly or indirectly importing Russian Federation oil. In my judgment, imposing tariffs, as described below, in addition to maintaining the other measures taken to address the national emergency described in Executive Order 14066, will more effectively deal with the national emergency described in Executive Order 14066.

Sec. 2. Imposition of Tariffs. (a) I find that the Government of India is currently directly or indirectly importing Russian Federation oil.

(b) Accordingly, and as consistent with applicable law, articles of India imported into the customs territory of the United States shall be subject to an additional ad valorem rate of duty of 25 percent.

How a total 50% tariff on products from India is supposed to counter alleged threats to the United States by the government of Russia is hard to explain.

The increased tariff on India will come into force in 21 days.

India's President Narneda Modi has not yet commented on it. He will however visit China at the end of this month:

According to the plan, Prime Minister Modi will embark on a visit to Japan around August 29 and after concluding the trip, he will travel to the northern Chinese city of Tianjin for the SCO summit to be held from August 31-September 1.

Modi's visit to China is being planned amid efforts by the two sides to repair their bilateral ties, which came under severe strain following the deadly clashes between Indian and Chinese troops in Galwan Valley in June 2020.

The grand U.S. plan of luring India deeper into the Quad alliance to fight China is likely dead. The leaders of the two biggest nations on this globe, plus Russia, will sit together and plan how to avoid further dealing with an unstable U.S. of A.

Baring any change the additional tariffs on India will hit U.S. consumers the most. The largest portion of goods coming from India to the U.S. are active pharma ingredients (API) used in generic medicines:

The US is India’s largest destination for pharma exports, accounting for over 31 per cent of the country’s total pharmaceutical exports. As much as 47 per cent of all generics consumed in the US are imported from India.

Imports from India are unlikely to stop. But it will be U.S. consumers who will have to pay the higher prices:

[T]he US will still be dependent on countries like India since the cost of manufacturing certain drugs in the US would be at least six times compared to that of manufacturing the same product in India, say industry sources.

The US market, which relies heavily on India for APIs and low-cost generics, would struggle to find alternatives, according to Namit Joshi, chairman of Pharmexcil (Pharmaceuticals Export Promotion Council of India). “Efforts to shift pharmaceutical manufacturing and API production to other countries or within the US will take at least 3-5 years to establish meaningful capacity,” he was quoted in media reports.

The price increase for medicines will contribute to an already stubborn inflation within the U.S., even while the president tries to bully pharma producers into reducing their prices.

There are other parts of the economy where Trump's policies collide with themselves.

Wired reports that the number of drill rigs for gas and oil exploration continues to shrink even while Trump loudly promises to 'Drill, baby drill':

There is one key indicator of drilling levels that the industry has watched closely for more than 80 years: a weekly census of active oil and gas rigs published by Baker Hughes. When Trump came into office on Janunary 20, the US rig count was 580. Last week, the most recent figure, it was down to 542—hovering just above a four-year low reached earlier in the month.

The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas’ quarterly survey of over 130 oil and gas producers based in Texas, Louisiana, and New Mexico, conducted in June, suggests the industry’s outlook is pessimistic. Nearly half of the 38 firms that responded to this question saw their firms drilling fewer wells this year than they had earlier expected.

Survey participants could also submit comments. One executive from an exploration and production (E&P) company said, “It’s hard to imagine how much worse policies and DC rhetoric could have been for US E&P companies.” Another executive said, “The Liberation Day chaos and tariff antics have harmed the domestic energy industry. ‘Drill, baby, drill’ will not happen with this level of volatility.”

Roughly one in three survey respondents chalked up the expectations for fewer wells to higher tariffs on steel imports. And three in four said tariffs raised the cost of drilling and completing new wells.

“They’re getting more places to drill and they’re getting some lower royalties, but they’re also getting these tariffs that they don’t want,” Rapier said. “And the bottom line is their profits are going to suffer.”

Inflation in the U.S. continues to be stubborn and is likely to rise. Unemployment is up while services and manufacturing activities are shrinking. The government is spending excessively.

These are all signs of stagflation which, once it sets in, has proven difficult to defeat.

Comments

“Guns over butter.” It’s (another) redirection of purchasing power from the citizens outside the MIC to those within, to continue waging their offensive wars.
Oceania is:
– likely* disproportionately taxing private citizens for spending on goods and services that they prefer
– to reduce the baseline rate of currency devaluation stemming from natostan regimes’ widening budget deficits
– to preserve the purchasing power of the currency Oceania regimes spend on war
* Has anyone checked whether the taxation is likely highest on consumer goods, due in part to “exemptions” being made for items deemed important to the war industry?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 15:54 utc | 1

“… the cost of manufacturing certain drugs in the US would be at least six times compared to that of manufacturing the same product in India, say industry sources.”

+++++
That begs the question why that might be. It can’t all be added labour costs. It likely includes quality control, safety, and, most likely, environmental and pollution control measures in place domestically that would not be in play in India. In that respect, these are externalised costs that should be borne by domestic consumers anyway.
As for inflation, tariffs are inflationary only when new credit is emitted to allow consumers to continue the same standard of living beyond their actual means. Just sayin’.

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 6 2025 15:59 utc | 2

LOL. #MIGA
#MAGA is dead

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 6 2025 16:10 utc | 3

Pounding Modi’s Hindutva stooges is unironically good.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 16:11 utc | 4

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Aug 6 2025 15:59 utc | 2
No. It’s a legal-economic system of maximum rent extraction domestically. Greed. Intellectual property, middle men, intentional lack of capacity, financialization.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Aug 6 2025 16:13 utc | 5

Does anyone in the US Administration have the balls to explain to Trump the simple supply/demand understanding taught in all Economics 101 courses.
Putting a tariff on an item reduces the quantity of that item sold in the market, and the cost of the tariff is partly borne by consumers, and partly by suppliers through receiving a lower price than before.
Thus, in the US the price of pharmaceuticals will rise (although not to the full percentage extent of the tariff) and demand for pharmaceutics will drop. This may be a good thing if the US is universally overmedicated, but my own expectation is that the poor in the US will take the brunt of the reduction in quantity of pharmaceuticals sold.

Posted by: Marduk | Aug 6 2025 16:15 utc | 6

My only explanation short of declaring Trump a lunatic is that he is actively trying to break the globalist system and US hegemony. Logically the only way to bring that about is to damage the economic and diplomatic relationships of the USA with the rest of the world. Of course he can never say so openly, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense to me. “Breaking the system” comes with a lot of bitterness and hardship especially for the Western countries (that’s you and me), but might be the only way to avoid the downfall of humanity as a whole.

Posted by: Matthias | Aug 6 2025 16:16 utc | 7

My only explanation short of declaring Trump a lunatic is that he is actively trying to break the globalist system and US hegemony.
Posted by: Matthias | Aug 6 2025 16:16 utc | 7

How about “A small time gangster makes it big without learning his limitations”?

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 16:21 utc | 8

“environmental and pollution control measures in place domestically that would not be in play in India”
Pollution in India has to be breathed to be believed, especially around November when they burn the stubble on the North Indian Plain. Flying from Amritsar to Bombay/Mumbai you are over a sea of grey, no ground to be seen. Delhi has big displays showing the pollution levels.
“he leaned on the rail of the Mall, watching that glorious view of the Plains spread out forty miles below”
Kipling’s view has gone, and the time to see the Himalayas from Shimla is early morning, before the air has warmed and the pollution rises up from the plains. By mid-afternoon they are indistinct.
(I did go at the worst time of year, probably a lot better in the wet season).

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Aug 6 2025 16:21 utc | 9

Come on! It is 3 weeks before the increased tariff on Indian goods come into effect — and as a former British Prime Minister once observed — A week in politics is a long time.
We can reasonably assume that every Indian who long ago bought off one of our corrupt CongressScum or SenatorCheats is on the phone to that “representative” demanding they do something to stop the tariffs coming into effect. Maybe this is all an indirect way for President Trump to persuade the war-mongers in Congress to stop demanding more aid for Zelensky? Or maybe this is setting the stage for ending the H1-B program?

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Aug 6 2025 16:25 utc | 10

but my own expectation is that the poor in the US will take the brunt of the reduction in quantity of pharmaceuticals sold.
Posted by: Marduk | Aug 6 2025 16:15 utc | 6
Pharmaceuticals are not hard to source. You just need a country with a large number of educated people. There’s a reason the United States has a giant pharma industry, and it will grow larger after Europe’s surrender. The generic market isn’t especially profitable, but volume ensures someone will fill the gap.
I suppose the Germans have to worry about “stagflation” considering their economy is about to undergo unprecedented austerity and mass repression, but it wouldn’t be the first time Germans dealt with that.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Aug 6 2025 16:29 utc | 11

This is Pavlovian.
Trump rings the troll bell and the dogs bark, the end of the world is nigh
Trump muffles the bell, cries false alarm, the dogs growl out cunt -> Taco
Trump rings the troll bell and the dogs bark, the end of the world is nigh
Trump muffles the bell, cries false alarm, the dogs growl out cunt -> Taco
Truthfully, I don’t enjoy Trump’s trolling of hapless TDS infected minds but, every time there’s been an alternative to the DNC candidate exactly the same crowd finds a flaw, real or DNC imagined to dismiss that person with. So, watching these dogs bay at Trump’s trolling has a certain level of schadenfreude.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 6 2025 16:35 utc | 12

One of the things that troubles me is that the shrill, thoughtless outbursts by America’s MIGA shock jock are chalked up as being for “domestic consumption”. He lowers the bar for everything. Lately I suspect he’s some sort of trojan dobby horse carried through the gates by his proud and impressionable MAGA peacocks. It’s just so weird.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 6 2025 16:36 utc | 13

lol – ” an unusual and extraordinary threat “… who writes this fairy tale bullshit?? oh wait! it is a threat to the unipolar world under the bullying leadership of the usa.. now, i get it!!
thanks b… clearly the usa is not changing course as it plows towards the titanic… trumpy dumpty continues to steer the ship in the same proverbial direction that the past administrations have for a very long time… so much for MAGA…

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2025 16:44 utc | 14

Stop
The “original punishment “ was 100 % China Et el
The focus solely on “India”… why?
Nothing to do with Russia or BRICS.
India will not “open their markets”… mainly… agriculture.
India is “over regulated” . India is being punished for not allowing US corporations and financiers to run in there and upend their domestic products ,run rough shod throughput the nation.
They have zero opportunity to stick it to China, though that again is what they want and are angry about.
The ex Indian Ambassador, a Western Liberal lover of US, stated clearly that any Indian government in power, that sold out the agricultural sector ( he stated 40% of Indian livelihood depended on Agriculture) the masses would overthrow the governance.
The U.S. wants a “cut” of the Russian Indian oil profits.
Trump has zero interest or care about American “jobs”… all these tariffs and crap is a tool and strong arming of having every nation “open up its markets” to US “interest” and a free reign to demolish them like they have the EU.
The guise of “Russian oil” BS when they see a potential population take over for US slave labor and consumers is simply a lowering of the bar from the goal of China, but they obviously feel “doable”…
It’s profit and greed for a few individuals, and big business including himself and his family, nothing more here.

Posted by: Trubind1 | Aug 6 2025 16:46 utc | 15

The tariffs are a sign of self-destructive weakness born out of desperation;
Trump is desperate to stave off the looming 2027 Federal Insolvency Crisis. One lever ( trump thinks ) is collecting $600 billion in 2026 tariffs, and more in 2027.

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2025 16:46 utc | 16

> My only explanation short of declaring Trump a lunatic
Trump is a showman. The showman changes every few years. Meanwhile, collections of strategists continually revise policy. Ignore the noise and observe that recent policy changes squeeze private spending while expanding war spending, while trying to decouple Oceania’s supply chain from Eastasia before they presumably follow through on their chatter and plans to attack it.
Seems so simple. Doesn’t it?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 16:47 utc | 17

One lever ( trump thinks ) is collecting $600 billion in 2026 tariffs
Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2025 16:46 utc | 16

Coincidentally household debt is growing at the same rate:

Total household debt outstanding rose by $185 billion in Q2 from Q1, or by 1.0%, to $18.4 trillion, according to the Household Debt and Credit Report from the New York Fed today.
Year-over-year, total household debt grew by $592 billion, or by 3.3%, the third-smallest growth rate since Q1 2021, behind only Q1 2025 (+2.9%) and Q4 2024 (+3.0%).
https://wolfstreet.com/2025/08/05/household-debts-debt-to-income-ratio-serious-delinquencies-collections-foreclosures-bankruptcies-our-drunken-sailors-debts-in-q2-2025/

Trump’s Tariff Follies are a sad zero sum game.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 16:53 utc | 18

Putting a tariff on an item reduces the quantity of that item sold in the market, and the cost of the tariff is partly borne by consumers, and partly by suppliers through receiving a lower price than before.
Posted by: Marduk | Aug 6 2025 16:15 utc | 6
From Econ 101, I believe that the question of who bears the cost of the tariff depends on the price elasticity of demand. If demand is perfectly inelastic relative to price – e.g., there are few substitute products that satisfy the demand, then the end-user pays the tax. If demand is perfectly elastic, then the producer pays the tax.
In the case of generic pharmaceuticals, I suspect that the demand is fairly inelastic, until the all-in-tariffed price approaches the patent-protected expensive alternatives domestically.
In other words, since most of these tariffs are to protect domestic corporate interests, I’d expect the end-user to bear the brunt of almost all of these tariffs. Thanks Mr. “Populist”.
As a patriotic American, death to the USA. The sooner, the better for our citizens as well as the world’s citizens (and the worse for the mafia gangsters that rule the planet).

Posted by: HB Brian | Aug 6 2025 16:56 utc | 19

GAI reduces the need for all but the best STEM specialists and related H1-B’s applicants and foreign students. If Oceania is already turning away H1-B’s and foreign students, does it suggest stupidity or does it suggest what Oceania thinks of its chances to soon possess GAI ?
Even lowly LLM’s will kill most call centers, reducing the need to trade with labor-rich, material-poor regions of the globe, unless on terms to mold them into proxies.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 16:59 utc | 20

Why are Kokhols dying for an US war against Russia an Indian problem to begin with Donald ?
India buy Russian oil : Why ?
Why not in dollars ?
Who caused this whole situation to begin with ?
Who has no obligation to do business with the US ?
Who will have big a problem if all the H1-B go back to their country ?
Alright, Alright : Donald love being a tough guy … that remind me one short”>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30CKfFLfNh0&list=RD30CKfFLfNh0&start_radio=1>short song

Posted by: Savonarole | Aug 6 2025 17:01 utc | 21

The US security state has again overestimated the potential that may be derived from policy, in this case India. The US has looked at the population and output of India the same way a woman in a US divorce court would look at the earning potential of a husband.
One size does not fit all, unlike what are the lessons in postmodern education institutions. India does not fit how a country with nuclear family structure and modernist tendencies, say for example how people behave in Maryland, NY or Los Angeles, because India is organized differently.
India organizes itself based upon a collaboration between the government class and the religious class with the result being preservation of a caste system. For example, during the invasions of the 8th century, much attention was paid to whether the right prayers were being said. The end result is the government calss and business environment is more corrupt than and postmodernist could imagine.
What is not being discussed very much is the incentives all of these secondary boycotts that are in place. For Russia, it gives a clear path to continue and accelerate the SMO rather than end it. BRICS countries have the incentive to do as little as possible and lay low until this blows over as US power continues to wane.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 17:03 utc | 22

Trump wants more drilling but hasn’t grasped how steel tariffs will affect drilling rigs. Classic case of a man who never thinks past the end of his penis, which makes him shortsighted indeed.

Posted by: Space Cowboy | Aug 6 2025 17:04 utc | 23

GAI reduces the need for all but the best STEM specialists and related H1-B’s applicants and foreign students.
Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 16:59 utc | 20

How is making everything stoopider a good thing? At best AI is a Xerox with poor fidelity. Where are the new developments supposed to come from? Paste-ups of shitty Xerox copies?

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 17:04 utc | 24

@ James
> lol – ” an unusual and extraordinary threat“
It is, to Oceania oligarch profits, made by skimming off the RoW. The entirety of BRICS is a threat.
That’s what most of “national security” is. If every time we see the term we replace it with “oligarch profits”, the rest of the sentences, paragraphs, and articles make much more sense. Don’t they? 😉
(Not that a barfly like you needed me to tell you…)

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:06 utc | 25

“My only explanation short of declaring Trump a lunatic is that he is actively trying to break the globalist system and US hegemony. Logically the only way to bring that about is to damage the economic and diplomatic relationships of the US
Posted by: Matthias | Aug 6 2025 16:16 utc | 7”
Trump is a lunatic. It’s been obvious since the 1980s.

Posted by: lester | Aug 6 2025 17:06 utc | 26

One note: yes, the US imports a lot of pharmaceuticals from India (though often the active ingredients are made in China).
But: the markups are HUGE. So a bottle of pills that costs $1 to import wholesale from India, is sold by a big US pharma company for $100+. Adding even a 50% tariff to this will only be inflationary if the US pharma companies want to use this as an excuse to further boost their already obscene profits (which, I must admit, they likely will).

Posted by: TG | Aug 6 2025 17:10 utc | 27

“but my own expectation is that the poor in the US will take the brunt of the reduction in quantity of pharmaceuticals sold.
Posted by: Marduk | Aug 6 2025 16:15 utc | 6”
They’ll put their hands on their TVs when Benny Hinn shouts HEAL!

Posted by: lester | Aug 6 2025 17:12 utc | 28

Let’s wait and see. If India reduces Russian imports, that would suggest that US economic warfare on 3rd parties is successful.

Posted by: robin | Aug 6 2025 17:14 utc | 29

After “stagflation” now we have “Tariflation”.
***
I agree with Trubind1 | Aug 6 2025 16:46 utc | 15, that it is more about taking over the “Indian” markets and producers, for the benefit of the USZio corporations. There has already been a long history of attempts to force GMO on Indians (plus suicides of poorer farmers), and use of water for Coca cola in a dry area, or for a region where they can produce semi-lethal products without surveillance (Bophal. Wik; Considéré comme l’une des pires catastrophes industrielles de l’histoire, cet accident tue officiellement 3 828 personnes,)
***
Even before the problem of generics etc. One US citizen yesterday was facing the choice of keeping her house or her health assurance. (over $2600 per month for a single person)

Posted by: Stonebird | Aug 6 2025 17:14 utc | 30

@ too scents | Aug 6 2025 17:04 utc | 24
In a software company with a few product managers and larger numbers of dev and qa, the product managers will remain employed (longer) to recommend changes to the AI that implements and tests. Excellent coders and other thinkers might migrate to product management. But you’ll get the same or better output with fewer laborers and much less expense.
You can extend this to other industries, though the means of AI control over the product is easiest when the product itself comprises a set of files on a computer rather than a house, for example. But this too is coming.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:15 utc | 31

The grand U.S. plan of luring India deeper into the Quad alliance to fight China is likely dead. The leaders of the two biggest nations on this globe, plus Russia, will sit together and plan how to avoid further dealing with an unstable U.S. of A.
That’s what any rational person would expect, including myself.
https://nitter.poast.org/RnaudBertrand/status/1950917458228912493

If the world had been smart, they should have all joined together in solidarity at the beginning of Trump’s trade war.
Trump is taking countries or regions one by one: he’s just done with the EU and now he’s doing India. Individually they’re weak against the US but if they had acted collectively with joint leverage, there’s nothing Trump could have done.
Instead what you get is a pathetic spectacle of isolated countries trying to – and failing miserably – appease Trump one by one, looking at each others as rival supplicants waiting for their turn to be thrown scraps when they could have made Trump’s threats meaningless.
Complete failure of international statecraft.

Posted by: xor | Aug 6 2025 17:16 utc | 32

***believe that the question of who bears the cost of the tariff depends on the price elasticity of demand. If demand is perfectly inelastic relative to price – e.g., there are few substitute products that satisfy the demand, then the end-user pays the tax. If demand is perfectly elastic, then the producer pays the tax. ***
Posted by: HB Brian | Aug 6 2025 16:56 utc | 19
Any model government types are using based upon these assumption are useless and will produce wrong results. None reflect that information technology has closed the opportunity to profit from friction to no time at all. So whoever has the benefit of incumbency has already captured the regulatory authority and probably made contingency plans to evade any jurisdiction based tax/tariff. This is why tariffs have had next to no impact on US producer prices yet.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 17:17 utc | 33

Posted by: Marduk | Aug 6 2025 16:15 utc | 6
It is not a given that the producer or the supply chain will absorb part of the tariff.
It depends on how elastic or anelastic the demand is.

Posted by: Mario | Aug 6 2025 17:19 utc | 34

***But: the markups are HUGE. So a bottle of pills that costs $1 to import wholesale from India, is sold by a big US pharma company for $100+. Adding even a 50% tariff to this will only be inflationary if the US pharma companies want to use this as an excuse to further boost their already obscene profits (which, I must admit, they likely will).
Posted by: TG | Aug 6 2025 17:10 utc | 27
I have a guy who can get the same thing as India is producing with a product origin certificate from [insert country here], no tariff …

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 17:22 utc | 35

too scents
Thanks for the household debt figures. Stunning debt slavery

Posted by: Exile | Aug 6 2025 17:25 utc | 36

You can extend this to other industries
Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:15 utc | 31

What you can extend to other industries is that companies without viable products will soon be out of business.
The weight of software protectionism is too much for Copyright and Digital Rights Management to bear.
Modernity will always come to pass and it has fuck all to do with AI.
The marginal cost of production is bound to fall because of the Capitalist’s demand for profits. Again, nothing to do with AI.
Marx formulated “The tendency of the rate of profits to fall” 150 years ago ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendency_of_the_rate_of_profit_to_fall

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 17:27 utc | 37

Posted by: xor | Aug 6 2025 17:16 utc | 32
India isn’t going to roll over like the eurocucks. Modi is traveling to China at the end of the month to meet with Xi.
There will be a coordinated response, mark my words.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 6 2025 17:32 utc | 38

I dont understand many barflies’ doubt about AI, when many of their comments express frustration at the stupidity of their rulers and the humans around them. No point mocking “artificial stupidity” when “natural stupidity” is all around you. Judging by recurring voting patterns by 95%, most humans appear no smarter than an LLM. Yes? Totally replaceable.
LLM’s barely existed a few decades ago and remained irrelevant until hardware ran them fast enough. Now people are arguing that something that didn’t exist 20 years ago can’t possibly replace easily hackable humans. Impatient, much?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:33 utc | 39

Meanwhile…
Berletic: Russian Gains Mount in Ukraine as Panic Grows in Washington
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FuPRc-7WyM

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 6 2025 17:35 utc | 40

It is pretty simple. Republicans in Congress are revolting against Trump and his policies and Trump tries to please some of them so that he is not a lame duck president. Some MAGA Congressmen want Epstein files disclosure and no more wars, libertanians want smaller government, neocons want to freeze Ukrainian war, Israel firsters want regime change in Iran or liquidation of Iranian nuclear program. Pushing Moscow has one advantage – neocons sit both among GOP and Democrats. He can also extort temporary truce from Democrats by playing Russiahoax investigation card (Obama, Clintons and some others) and by publishing Maxwell’s testimony (I am sure that most of bad guys there are Democrats or their donors, Maxwell is not stupid). India should withdraw from all agrements it has with the US like Quad, military co-operation, weapon purchases and stop buying Russian oil and stop buying US oil products. Russia will not go bankrupt because of that and Trump will be scolded by Pentagon insiders. China should somehow compensate for India because that would be a big win for Beijing in Indian Ocean. Is this what is going to happen during SCO meeting on 31th August? Can India step out of its own shadow and can China reciprocate?

Posted by: J_Schneider | Aug 6 2025 17:35 utc | 41

I dont understand many barflies’ doubt about AI
Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:33 utc | 39

It is as if you have never used a library with a large card catalog. LLMs are a fancy indexing system to a pre-existing archive and nothing more.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 17:39 utc | 42

Stagflation is easy to defeat.
Indeed it was whooped back in the 1980s good and proper.
At school studying Economics in the 1970s stagflation was the great beast that no one understood and contradicted the Phillips curve, traditional theory which said slow growth and unemployment should lead to low inflation.
The solution was easy. Thatcher, Friedman and co decided simply to cut taxes.
No more taxing the rich to provide services and benefits to the poor (and impressive reductions in wage inequality).
Instead austerity and tax cuts. Budget deficits were fine, so long as they went on tax cuts to the rich and not on those dreadful poor who would have course have spent it.
The rich didn’t spend it, they invested it.
So magically no inflation – well except for House Prices and Stock Markets – and the press liked that.
And we have had little inflation ever since which GDP growth has been very impressive.
Good Good Good!!!
The only slight hiccup is that inequality is back to the levels of the 1930s (riots,communism and fascism you may recall, hatred of the elites.) And median earnings are barely changed in 40 years.
But who cares about the bottom three quarters of the Economy?
[Stagflation now is exactly what we need. The balanced and real growth of China should be seen as quite exceptional compared to that of the west. Voters should demand a 75% of GPD measure (that part that falls to the bottom 75%), and use that as the KPI for governments to be measured by. Top 25% can look after themselves.]

Posted by: Michael Droy | Aug 6 2025 17:43 utc | 43

Alexander Mercouris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZegYLc9LEo
“Putin meets Witkoff no results; Russia demands Pokrovsk defenders surrender; Trump-India 50% tariffs.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Aug 6 2025 17:44 utc | 44

Trunp saying great progress was made today between Witkoff/Putin which is probably the only excuse he needs to postpone the sanctions due to take effect from Friday
Looks like VVP has done him a solid by meeting with Witkoff once again

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 6 2025 17:47 utc | 45

@ too scents
> What you can extend to other industries is that companies without viable
> products will soon be out of business.
And?
> The marginal cost of production is bound to fall because of the Capitalist’s demand for profits.
> Again, nothing to do with AI.
The latest, highly supercharged “how they’re doing it” magic isn’t related to their desire to do it?

I don’t know why you bother making such points, unless you feel some sense of frustration and really would like to make some other point. What is really bothering you about what I wrote?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:47 utc | 46

I submit for discussion the following:
“… the cost of manufacturing certain drugs in the US would be at least six times compared to that of manufacturing the same product in India, say industry sources.”
<=but this is not the whole story.. let make an example.. if the drug retails for $100/ unit.. before tariff and $200/unit after and cost to produce and transport to the USA $30/unit to make and $2 /unit to transport, and the tariff makes the Indian produced $200/unit.. $200 $30 ^ 6 = $180 /unit +$2.00/unit to transport - $182 less - $ 18 profit USA economy now gets $200 if drug is produced in America by an American company.. and that $200 dollars does not go into the export side of the balance of trade deficits. So the USA has inflated the price to Americans but has keep the entire amount within the boundary of the USA. And once the drug is produced in America the production company will begin to find ways to reduce the cost.. The cost to the medical insurance company has doubled, so everyone's medical insurance will go up .. and that contributes to inflation which makes it easier for the government to pay off the national debt.. guess who pays all that money going into the USA economy,, the taxpaying American? Like I often comment here, the whole cost associated with tariffs is coming from the pockets of taxpayers. Tax paying Americans are being made to make the USA well but the wealthy rich Oligarch and his multinational corporations making out like bandits,, they no longer have competition from India and they get government(taxpayer money) to help them build the plants to produce the overpriced pharmaceutical in America. It just does not make since.. Government needs to fund me to build a pharmaceutical plant in America and I will use automation to make the drugs cheaper..

Posted by: snake | Aug 6 2025 17:48 utc | 47

Here are just one set of options for the escalatory ladder:
1. India/Brazil/China put reciprocal tariffs on Boeing. The shitburger stock craters, taking out the Dow.
2. China to buy more from India, Brazil to replace lost exports (already happened with coffee.)
3. China ultimatum: no trade deal with TACO until Indian sanctions are lifted
4. China suspends rare earths (ultimate move, probably will be left for last.)

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 6 2025 17:49 utc | 48

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:47 utc | 46
What is bothering is that you derail the thread by sounding like a shady consultant lulling in clueless managers with promises of ‘AI’ to solve problems that stem from decades of neoliberal cannibalization of productive industry.
No, western economies will not rise like the phoenix from the ashes because bullshit jobs got automated away after productive jobs got outsourced.
Sorry for the rant. This thread is about Trump doing Trump stuff which ultimately makes the life of the average peasent harder while ensuring his cronies can make yet one more last buck before SHTF for good

Posted by: kspr | Aug 6 2025 17:52 utc | 49

President Trump is playing fast and lose with the US$, which he and his cohort believe to be invulnerable.
A speculative long-shot, brought on by the news that Mr. Modi is scheduled to visit China; what if, just a what if mind you, after that meeting both China and India issue co-ordinated announcements that the US$ is no longer directly convertible to yuan and rupee, transactions will have to use an intermediary factor, rubles are fully acceptable, as, of course, are gold and silver.
Will there be a loud bang, like a giant balloon being popped, or a prolonged soggy farting sound as the air escapes via the balloon’s nozzle?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 17:52 utc | 50

My only explanation short of declaring Trump a lunatic is that he is actively trying to break the globalist system and US hegemony. Logically the only way to bring that about is to damage the economic and diplomatic relationships of the USA with the rest of the world. Of course he can never say so openly, but it’s the only explanation that makes sense to me. “Breaking the system” comes with a lot of bitterness and hardship especially for the Western countries (that’s you and me), but might be the only way to avoid the downfall of humanity as a whole.
Posted by: Matthias | Aug 6 2025 16:16 utc | 7

Your explanation supposes that he is rational. Is he? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
With the plutocrats at his side, your explanation fails. Or they want to break the system to return to slave labour…

Posted by: Naive | Aug 6 2025 17:57 utc | 51

“lose” should have been “loose” of course. I need a new keyboard…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 17:58 utc | 52

Instead of Tariffs, how about we just stop importing people from India. We have plenty of people already here that know how to work on computers. We could also ban the use of call centers in India for companies doing business in the U.S. There would be much rejoicing.

Posted by: Matt | Aug 6 2025 17:59 utc | 53

What is really bothering you about what I wrote?
Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:47 utc | 46

Legacy software is a drag on the economy as a whole. Copyright reform would drive a stake through its heart, but what will happen first is a copyright reach-around fueled by “AI” content scraping.
I could tell you stories about how University Microfilms privatised the content of public libraries back in the day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProQuest I was there as it happened. I was a computer vision researcher doing post graduate study, involved.
AI isn’t going to be some sort of saviour. It is a new system of enclosures. Copyright on stilts.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 18:01 utc | 54

Trump on Friday on Truth Social:
‘we are progressing well with my good friend Vladimir! therefore I will postpone sanctions on Russia for a further 30 days while we seek a solution to this horrible war!’

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 6 2025 18:19 utc | 55

TACO lives!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Aug 6 2025 18:19 utc | 56

@ too scents
>> AI isn’t going to be some sort of saviour.
Depends on outcomes of some struggles, like between selfishness and sharing.
Events might meet your expectations.
>> It is a new system of enclosures. Copyright on stilts.
Agree that that seems to be their plan. Maybe they can even extend corporate copyrights another 75 years until Mickey turns 3500 in mouse years.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 18:19 utc | 57

There is no intelligence in “AI”; safety-critical output, such as engineering design, will still need a highly-qualified and highly-experienced (and therefore highly-expensive) human to provide a sanity check on said output; though the quarterly bonus-chasing C-suite will ignore this until the legal actions from the victims of flawed AI output start arriving.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 18:20 utc | 58

*** and the tariff makes the Indian produced $200/unit.. $200
$30 ^ 6 = $180 /unit +$2.00/unit to transport – $182
less –
$ 18 profit ***
Posted by: snake | Aug 6 2025 17:48 utc | 47
Back to School – Rodney Dangerfield
Mr. Melon: Oh, you left out a bunch of stuff.
Professor: Oh really? Like what, for instance?
Mr. Melon: First of all, you have to grease the local politicians…for the sudden zoning problems that always come up. Then there’s the kickbacks to the carpenters. And if you plan on using any cement in this building, I’m sure the teamsters would like to have a little chat with you, and that’ll cost you. Don’t forget a little something for the building inspectors. There’s the long-term costs, such as waste disposal. I don’t know if you’re familiar with who runs that business but I assure you it’s not the boy scouts.
Professor: That will be quite enough, Mr. Melon.

I guarantee you, the conversation happened long ago. The Indian manufacturer will ” white label” the product and do what is necessary to get a certificate of origin from another country. Sanctions and tariffs do not apply. Same people profit. US thinks it’s paying the same old price, just to a white label seller that gets a little markup that goes as a commission to the US government official’s daughter in law. Everybody wins.

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 18:22 utc | 59

What else to expect but chaotic nonsense coming from a illiterate and innumerate buffoon who gets all his information from Fox News and the neocon sycophants he has surrounded himself with?

Posted by: Perimetr | Aug 6 2025 18:25 utc | 60

How about “A small time gangster makes it big without learning his limitations”?
Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 16:21 utc | 8
Correct!

Posted by: CeaClearly | Aug 6 2025 18:26 utc | 61

“Prime Minister Modi will embark on a visit to Japan around August 29 and after concluding the trip, he will travel to the northern Chinese city of Tianjin for the SCO summit to be held from August 31-September 1.”
Watch out Modi!
Tianjin was apparently attacked around 2015(?)
I recall what internet comments claimed back then.
One claim was about sabotage against important banking IT stuff whatever it was.
The explosion taking place, some comments claimed, had the signs of being a special type of mininuke where the characteristic radiation finger print was hidden behind a large opaque white cloud.
A large number of cars were destroyed by heat or by other forms of radiation, but one claim was about the insurance companies where those cars were insured and that those wouldnt have paid if it was established to be a nuclear explosion and not just an accident with “an overheated container of dry nitrocellulose”
The Beirut port explosion in 2020 was twice as strong and again the official narrative is about fertilizer-like explosives while a tactical nuke was suggested on the web.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Aug 6 2025 18:27 utc | 62

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 18:01 utc | 54
#####
AI and open source are the cures for intellectual monopoly.
AI is a gift to the ROW.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2025 18:30 utc | 63

@ kspr | Aug 6 2025 17:52 utc | 49
> No, western economies will not rise like the phoenix from the ashes because
> bullshit jobs got automated away after productive jobs got outsourced.
Oh, were you interpreting my remarks as optimistic?
I don’t know how it will all play out. I believe the range of outcomes is extreme.
> Sorry for the rant. This thread is about Trump doing Trump stuff which ultimately
> makes the life of the average peasent harder while ensuring his cronies can make
> yet one more last buck before SHTF for good
I’ll channel Gruff here and say that has little to do with this latest Criminal in Chief because it has been the trajectory of the last ~50 years since Nixon went to China, around the time a working class MoA barfly’s 1970’s rich ivy-league roommate told him: “We plan to outsource jobs to China and it will decimate the jobs of the people in areas like where you come from”.
The oligarchs and their hired hands do plan. When you can’t understand why one showman is being a “lunatic” or “doing Trump stuff”, then speculate about what’s missing from the picture that would explain what you’re seeing.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 18:35 utc | 64

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 18:20 utc | 58
> There is no intelligence in “AI”
Debatable, as it is for so-called human intelligence, which is often lacking.
But one grows exponentially while the other remains fixed. In 5 more years, what do you see?
> though the quarterly bonus-chasing C-suite will ignore this until the
> legal actions from the victims of flawed AI output start arriving.
Boeing, HMO’s, every offshoring company I ever worked for, and more have been “doing a fine job” /s of this for years, without AI.
The whole system was going to shit without AI. Whether it accelerates or reverses hard, the pace is accelerating.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 18:46 utc | 65

Exile @16: “The tariffs are a sign of self-destructive weakness born out of desperation”
To which too scents responded @18: “Trump’s Tariff Follies are a sad zero sum game.”
A futile Hail Mary play, to be sure. Global capitalism has once again entered the end game from which it only emerged partially rejuvenated in prior instances after world war. We’re still heading that way, but the Trump faction’s efforts to break the cycle have a kind of tragic nobility to them.
But while Trump’s efforts are destined for failure, as are all efforts within the constraints of capitalism, they have bought time for China to put more distance; economically, socially, and militarily speaking, between themselves and the Empire. The more obvious it is that the Empire cannot defeat China the less likely the Empire will take us all the way to catastrophically destructive global war.
That said I doubt the Empire will exit history’s stage without expending all of its weapons first. Like a drowning man, it will take everyone in is reach along with it. Trump is just delaying that end.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 6 2025 18:46 utc | 66

@petergrfstrm | Aug 6 2025 18:27 utc | 62
Photos
https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/tianjin-explosion-satellite-photos-reveal-toxic-wasteland-chinese-industrial-district-1515785
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/gallery/immense-power-tianjin-explosion-revealed-6263218
Interesting how most hits on Tianjin explosion are UK sites

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2025 18:51 utc | 67

I must repeat, first, that cries of TACO never notice that Trump never reverses policy. He may back down on 50% tariffs on India, but he is not backing down on raising tariffs significantly. Second, none of the economic impacts can be considered apart from political/military actions or environment. The CPEC is inseparable from India’s response to Trump’s move. The situation in Pakistan matters as much as the situation in Delhi, more than DC possibly. The moves in the Zangezur corridor or the Panamanian repression of popular dissent from Trump are reminders how much the situation can change. Or, be perceived to change. You may say, spin or self-delusion, and you may be right. But such self-delusion can determine what the deluded person does.
Some people, including Trump and his circle, could see themselves as winning steadily, using a decisive boldness. A truce in Gaza, allowing posturing as a peace president, to be quietly followed by renewed and intensified genocide. The presumed decapitation of Hezbollah and the turn of the Lebanese national government toward disarming Hezbollah. The punishment of the Houthis. The de facto breakup of Syria and the removal of Assad. The humiliation of Iran. Weakening Russia in the Caucasus. A steady continuation of the war against Russia in Ukraine (with the added perk of the Euros paying the bills!) The raising of Russian interest rates as the economic sanctions start cutting into the bone and marrow. The deflation in PRC presages an economic crisis, maybe even collapse of the CPC as it fails its middle class base and faces open hostility by the new big bourgeoisie, even mass hostility from workers.
The point is not that this interpretation of events is true, corresponding to fact. The point is that, it may well be what the highest governmnent circles tell themselves. And I suggest that the more deluded such interpretations are, the more dangerous the megalomaniacs doing this can be. Absurd adventures risking general war may seem acceptable risks.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2025 18:55 utc | 68

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 18:20 utc | 58
Computer did the auto-layoff thing

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 6 2025 18:56 utc | 69

Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2025 18:55 utc | 67
The problem with delusions is that sooner or later they collide with the brick wall of reality.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Aug 6 2025 19:02 utc | 70

US is a nation of drug addicts. Pharmaceutical products are consumed like candy. Or like we are all at a bar.
Yes, of course dope can be produced anywhere and there will always be a market for dope. Changing pushers entails many risks. Worst is the period before adjustment. Worst of all is the moment when there is no supply. Onshoring drugs sometime next year does an addict no good.
Ex[plain your economic theories to a junkie who has not had his fix.

Posted by: oldhippie | Aug 6 2025 19:07 utc | 71

The deflation in PRC presages an economic crisis, maybe even collapse of the CPC as it fails its middle class base and faces open hostility by the new big bourgeoisie
Posted by: steven t johnson | Aug 6 2025 18:55 utc | 67

Deflation is good. The harder it hits the elites the better.

Posted by: too scents | Aug 6 2025 19:11 utc | 72

“That the actions and policies of the Government of the Russian Federation continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”
After Obama’s 2014 Ukraine Regime Change-Coup.
Because Russia & China Turned Against War of Terror after Libya Destroyed & Gaddafi Assassinated (2011).!
CIA’s USAID – Media Propaganda – Coups – Color Revolutions – Regime Change – BioWeapons – War/Drug Profit$$$ (Pentagon MIC)
NATO – NORTH America Terrorist Organization Vs
BRICS – Global SOUTH (Red Horse)

Posted by: JohnF | Aug 6 2025 19:18 utc | 73

In 5 more years, what do you see?

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 18:46 utc | 64
In 5 more years I see the complete collapse of “AI”-oriented businesses; ‘model pollution’ caused by various “AI” entities absorbing and refining flawed output from other “AI” entities; without human sanity checking this process will escalate logarithmically if not exponentially. The filters will always let some contamination through, to poison the output.
“AI” is also extremely energy-hungry. Imagine being told you can no longer use an electric stove or heater because the nearby humongous data-centre is more deserving of the available electric supply…
So, perhaps, in 5 more years, we could also see fed-up locals carrying out “tourist” attacks on the energy-gulping installations, which therefore become militarised, because, y’know, “national security” and all that jazz…
…and the whole contrived edifice becomes unaffordable for the hegemonic elites…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 19:22 utc | 74

*** . US thinks it’s paying the same old price, just to a white label seller that gets a little markup that goes as a commission to the US government official’s daughter in law. Everybody wins.
Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 18:22 utc | 59
To continue the psychodrama:
Deep within the US State Department, Deputy Director Cassandra Munphy (Mother in law of Innocence Klingman – who receives commissions for White Label Pharmaceutical sales), speaking with Under Deputy Director Constance Wiener:
Cassandra: Do you have a report about the President’s drug price decrease initiative?
Constance: Yes, we have a report that White Label Company in Bangladesh can fill the same sized order for India Generic Pharmaceuticals. Our importer reports they are ready, especially after we fast tracked FDA review.
Cassandra: Perfect! This will dovetail nicely with our negotiations that Bangladesh gets Most Favored Nation and 0 Tariffs. Constance, you are a rock star!
Constance: Thank you. Glad to help! BTW, did you see Sydney Sweeney uploaded a short at the gun range?
Cassandra: Yes, and all the right people are aware of her and her patriarchal tits will get fixed soon I hear. (Grinning widely)
Constance: Nazi propaganda and malinformation if you ask me.
(Giggles from both).

Posted by: frithguild | Aug 6 2025 19:23 utc | 75

Трамп сообщил, что хочет лично встретиться с Путиным уже на следующей неделе.
Причины спешки Трамп не уточнил.
Trump said he wants to meet Putin in person as early as next week.
Trump did not specify the reasons for the haste.

Posted by: Realenti | Aug 6 2025 19:28 utc | 76

@ I forgot | Aug 6 2025 17:06 utc | 25
yes, i agree! brics is the threat while us$ dominance fades as we speak.. these are the ”unusual and extraordinary threats” to usa foreign policy and etc… it is more sad then funny, but i am sure the buffoon in charge is happy to have gotten that off his chest…
@ robin | Aug 6 2025 17:14 utc | 29
if india is unable to recognize what this game is and how they are as much a target as russia, then they can act like idiots and do as the european union has done under fuehrer von leyen.. i would like to think they are smarter then that..
@ William Gruff | Aug 6 2025 18:46 utc | 65
quote “Trump faction’s efforts to break the cycle have a kind of tragic nobility to them.” maybe, except trump is not a noble guy as i read him william..
2nd quote “I doubt the Empire will exit history’s stage without expending all of its weapons first. Like a drowning man, it will take everyone in is reach along with it. Trump is just delaying that end.”
here is what is missing… ”accountability”… there has been none from a long string of usa presidents… trump is no different.. that is my realistic assessment… it is almost like usa and many in the usa are unwilling to accept reality, which is far from how they imagine or see it… none of these leaders are held accountable for where the usa finds itself today… trump is very good at distraction, but like all the others – still no accountability for the role the usa has played on the world stage… instead crap like this from his mouth :” the Government of the Russian Federation continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.” pure crap signed off by the president of the usa… accountability for anything here??? missing in action as always..

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2025 19:31 utc | 77

OT reply on “AI”.
“I forgot” ( Aug 6 2025 17:33 utc | 39 ):
You in your own comment replace stupid (human) with stupid (machine) so what is there to not doubt? What is supposed to be so great about that?
OT so I cut the other 2524 characters of my reply lol XD

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2025 19:32 utc | 78

@Realenti | Aug 6 2025 19:28 utc | 75
https://www.rt.com/news/622579-trump-putin-meeting-nyt/
The US president also is reportedly planning to hold a trilateral meeting with Russia’s president and Ukrainian leader Vladimir Zelensky
That is not happening.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2025 19:32 utc | 79

>>> ” the additional tariffs on India will hit U.S. consumers the most.” <<< . . You continue to make this neoliberal assertion, but as we saw in the 2017-18 case study, your assertion was false, and so far it's false today. I'd be interested in seeing the hard data supporting your assertion, if you have any. And no, a 2.7% inflation rate doesn't provide that. You'd have to show the +10% inflation rate you neolibs produced 5 years ago. Good luck. Neoliberalism is a hell of a drug.

Posted by: seer | Aug 6 2025 19:39 utc | 80

Perhaps misguided faith in the ability of AI to approximate anything resembling intelligence is behind some of the insane justifications and intellectual contortions so many seem to employ to rationalize Trump / US actions. To me, these bully tactics stink of desperation and are always ultimately counterproductive.
AI as it is today can make fancy pictures and soon video. It can duplicate human voices and writing patterns. In short, it can make you question reality.
What it cannot do however is reason. Or create original thought not based on preexisting notions. Its essentially a pattern matching machine writ large. Garbage in, garbage out. Intelligence is not going to be found sniffing up larger and larger datasets..in fact, the output will grow even more unreliable. The AI evangelists in society mostly stem from the insatiable appetite of capital to reduce costs, even if attended by disproportionate risks.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 6 2025 19:40 utc | 81

Since there was such a concerted effort to derail the ‘Open Ukraine’ thread over the last couple of days I can at least try and reciprocate by derailing this thread, with the observation that g00gle’s version of “AI” happily produced images of North Korean soldiers which looked as if the “AI” “thought” that Bantu was a town in North Korea…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 19:46 utc | 82

@ Norwegian that meeting would surprise the heck out of me unless somebody made some serious (believable, trustworthy) concessions.
* extra emphasis on BELIEVABLE and TRUSTWORTHY.

Posted by: chunga | Aug 6 2025 19:46 utc | 83

@Doctor Eleven | Aug 6 2025 19:40 utc | 80
Correct. There is absolutely zero intelligence in “AI”. It cannot create anything. It gets far too much publicity.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2025 19:48 utc | 84

Here is the solution the DC neo con gang wont consider – stop supplying the Ukronazi’s with ammo and equipment, and get them to cede Odessa and the Black Sea ports to Russia (where they belong anyway)!
Problem solved!

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 6 2025 19:50 utc | 85

VVP is loving the SMO and the tariffs war imposed by DJT.

Posted by: pepe | Aug 6 2025 19:50 utc | 86

from 9 years ago, john mccain – russia is a gas station – 44 seconds..
the gas station // “Government of the Russian Federation continue to pose an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States.”
didn’t realize a gas station was so powerful, lol… i wonder if dostoevsky, tolstoy and etc. worked at a gas station??

Posted by: james | Aug 6 2025 19:51 utc | 87

‘Poppy’ Bush’s ‘New World Order’ 1991
USA – World’s Only Remaining Superpower
Wolfowitz Doctrine 1992 – Thwarted By BRICS

Posted by: JohnF | Aug 6 2025 19:53 utc | 88

Trump was going to hit India with tarriffs eventually, but this russia oil thing gives him a chance to merge it with the Blob’s ukie adventure.
It’ll bring capital back to the US, which is his real aim. You should know this. He does.

Posted by: seer | Aug 6 2025 19:53 utc | 89

Mmph…
For anyone who might not know there really is good “AI” but it’s simply not the stuff people are usually talking about (or ever using themselves).
Snipped from my self-redacted material:
I am very impressed by expensive but highly valuable custom “AI” successfully focused on very limited and very specific and extremely demanding tasks (such as protein folding, a huge success, or also the beginnings of mathematical proof-checkers) and which has large teams of extremely well educated, intelligent, and clever people refining it to eventual success over several years resulting in a new tool for a very specific use, by humans.
…starting to feel like a thread hi-jack but “it’s only Dump being Tronald” 🙂
I’ll go away now. Shouldn’t really be here 🙂

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2025 19:58 utc | 90

Okay, now that we’ve had today’s Pavlovian moment of:
Trump rings the troll bell and the dogs bark, baying the end of the world is nigh
Trump muffles the bell, cries false alarm, the dogs growl out cunt -> Taco
=================================================
I noticed TASS is keeping this incident on the front page:
There is no place for such a country in the European Union; it is not a civilized country”, Peter Szijjarto top Hungarian diplomat said.
Ukraine’s State Bureau of Investigation refused to look into the case of ethnic Hungarian Jozsef Sebestyen, the 45-year-old resident was killed while being forcibly conscripted in the Transcarpathia Region. “Brussels condones it, this is happening with its tacit approval and silent backing,” Szijjarto added….
https://tass.com/world/1998581
Again, what today’s Galicia’s Waffen SS troops are doing is feeding non-Galaician untermensch into the Russian artillery showers. Galicia’s Waffen SS troops have figured out how to play Russian tactics to their advantage. Will Russia prevail militarily? ‘Ya sure, you betcha! Problem is will they succeed in the SMO’s stated goals? Unless they change their tactics soon the answer will be no. All the minorities of ex-ukrainia will have been fed into the maws of war while the Galicia’s Waffen SS troops stayed in the rear. When the Russians run plebiscites they are in for a rude awakening.

Posted by: S Brennan | Aug 6 2025 20:01 utc | 91

Look the agents of Zionist neo con gang members, like Lindsay Turn Gaza into Melted Glass Graham and Marco Polo Rubio, and company, keep pushing and shoving the US toward another full blown war somewhere on the planet….shades of Dick Cheney.
Its all about retirement planning – the more war in Donbass and in Gaza the greater the sales of military gear and ammo by the military/industrial complex (we were warned by Ike!).
Graham/Rubio and neo cons need lucrative retirement jobs on the Boeing and Raytheon boards just like Lloyd Burger King Austin!!

Posted by: tobias cole | Aug 6 2025 20:09 utc | 92

@chunga | Aug 6 2025 19:46 utc | 82

@ Norwegian that meeting would surprise the heck out of me unless somebody made some serious (believable, trustworthy) concessions.

If previous patterns are anything to go by this is a prelude to an attack/false flag.

Posted by: Norwegian | Aug 6 2025 20:15 utc | 93

It Was All ‘Preplanned’ Long Before 911 False Flag Event Bringing About The ‘War of Terror’ – Which
Russia & China Turned Against After Libya Destroyed
& Gaddafi Assassinated (2011).!
In 1996, Benjamin Netanyahu wrote a book called ‘Fighting Terrorism’ where he listed 7 countries
that needed ‘Regime Change’ to ‘Secure Israel’.
Those countries were Iraq,Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran.
In 2001, This is a memo that describes how we’re
going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and – Finishing off, Iran.
Gen W. Clark
Finishing off Iran – Leads To WW3 With The BRICS.

Posted by: JohnF | Aug 6 2025 20:17 utc | 94

It’s not official until Trump says “thank you for your attention to this matter.”

Posted by: ebear | Aug 6 2025 20:21 utc | 95

I looked up the history of the US and sanctions. It started with the DPRK and Cuba last century, but really got crazy this century.
I wonder if the struggles that the DPRK and Cuba went through in the 90s, when the Soviet Union was destroyed and no longer able to help them, encouraged US overlords to use sanctions on everyone.
Nothing encourages the Empire like seeing people suffer due to their actions. Remember that Pentagon official bragging about how the US was occupying the 30% of Syria with the wheat fields, and how their sanctions were crippling the population?
Trump has introduced a new twist, sanctioning allies instead of adversaries, calling them “tariffs” instead of sanctions.
The goal is to take down the world in order to enrich the US. Maybe.
Maybe the goal is to take down Europe and the US, in order to get rid of the deep-seated belief by the golden billion that they deserve a decent life.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Aug 6 2025 20:23 utc | 96

@ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 6 2025 19:22 utc | 73
I see these possibilities too!
@ Sunny Runny Burger | Aug 6 2025 19:32 utc | 77
> OT so I cut the other 2524 characters of my reply lol XD
🙂
Seriously, i don’t think it’s off topic. But I’ve monopolized the thread. I’ll sit back down and listen for a while.

Posted by: I forgot | Aug 6 2025 20:26 utc | 97

Ah, the ever self mutilating Imperialist empire! Who needs enemies with “leadership” like this? Start practicing your mandarin, young people.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Aug 6 2025 20:34 utc | 98

The BRICS Know That The West Is Bankrupt And
What It Is Up To.
Going For The ‘Black’ Gold (Oil) In Middle
East – Because There Is No Gold In Ft Knox.
We’re Keeping the ‘Oil’ in Syria, Trump (2019)

Posted by: JohnF | Aug 6 2025 20:40 utc | 99

Apparently, Trump sent Witkoff to personally ask for the return of the British officers.
I had several (what I thought were) decent posts about AI that were swallowed by the ether.
Open source and AI will destroy intellectual monopoly for good. Rent seekers delenda est.
AI is a boon to the developing world. It’s a tool. The West wants to monopolize access to that tool to keep the browns poor and underdeveloped.
The Zionists want to employ AI everywhere to murder and enslave everyone.
Human ambition and inspiration cannot be replicated in machines. There is a supernatural element to existence that denies a Newtonian paradigm.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 6 2025 20:45 utc | 100