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July 19, 2025
Ukraine – The Battle Over Zelenski’s Fate Is Still in Balance

An intense information operation has been launched to remove Ukraine's (former) President Vladimir Zelenski from office. Behind it are a cabal of Ukrainian opposition figures in coordination which western media and parts of the Trump administration.

The current campaign follows a earlier one which was directed against Zelenski's main advisor and head of the office of the president Andrei Yermak.

Vladimir Zelenski, Andrei Yermak

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Politico.eu introduced Yermak:

The game plan of Zelenskyy's powerful chief of staffPolitico.eu, Jun 3 2025

The once little-known lawyer and B-movie producer — now in the thick of triangular peace diplomacy with the Americans and Russians — is always reverently loyal to his boss. In an interview with POLITICO last year, he referred to him glowingly as the “president of the people.” What else could he say? Yermak has ridden Zelenskyy’s coattails to become the second-most-powerful figure in Ukraine — even a co-equal.

Then the U.S. version Politico.com set out to destroy him:

The Ukrainian official Washington loves to hatePolitico.com, Jun 19 2025

Speaking to allies in private, Yermak has accused Trump administration officials of being Russian assets, according to the first person familiar with the visit, including Trump’s Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff, who has met with Putin four times as Trump seeks to cajole Moscow to the negotiating table.

People familiar with the U.S.-Ukraine relationship and Kyiv’s backers in Washington fear that the friction wrought by Yermak could quickly spread to undermine his country’s standing with its most vital partner.

But Yermak survived the public relations onslaught and even managed to increase his control in Ukraine.

Ukraine’s political infighting gets nasty (archived) – Economist, Jul 6 2025
As Trump starves it of arms, there is turmoil inside the government

Three developments in June set the tone. On June 23rd, a deputy prime minister, Oleksiy Chernyshov—once tipped as a future prime minister—became the most senior Ukrainian politician ever charged with corruption. On government business in Europe, he initially delayed returning, creating the absurd image of a minister for repatriating Ukrainians planning his own self-exile.

At around the same time, the cabinet was warned of an imminent reshuffle, and the probable appointment of a new prime minister, the 39-year-old Yulia Svyrydenko. And a renewed attempt was made to remove Ukraine’s fiercely independent spy chief, Kyrylo Budanov—though it ended in failure, at least for now.

Multiple sources identify the shadowy hand of Andriy Yermak, who runs the presidential office but in reality is an unelected chief minister in all but name, as instrumental in all three plays.

Yermak survived and fought back successfully. But now the fight has turned directly against his boss or sidekick Vladimir Zelenski to whom he is bound by money and fate.

Within hours of each other the British outlets Financial Times and Spectator fired a full broadside against him.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused of authoritarian slide after anti-corruption raids (archived) – Financial Times, Jul 18 2025
Politicians, activists and diplomats accuse Ukraine’s leader of favouring loyalists and using wartime powers against critics

Ukrainians have lost faith in Zelensky (archived) – The Spectator, Jul 18 2025

In recent weeks, Ukraine has been engulfed in corruption scandals. Two deputy prime ministers, minister for national unity Oleksiy Chernyshov and minister for reconstruction Oleksandr Kubrakov, have been investigated for embezzlement and treason. Zelensky has also repeatedly tried to sack Major General Kyrylo Budanov, the head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, allegedly because of his growing popularity. Only pressure from the US embassy in Kyiv prevented the sacking of one of Ukraine’s most popular generals, a serving senior European diplomat with knowledge of the case tells me.

‘Ukraine has two enemies, two Vladimirs: Zelensky and Putin,’ says a former Ukrainian cabinet minister, once a strong Zelensky supporter. ‘Putin is destroying Ukraine from [the] outside, but Zelensky is destroying it from within by destroying its will to fight and its morale. Human rights are being trampled on, there is pressure against political opponents, rich and influential people who could support opposition are being expropriated and opposition media is silenced. And the irony is that this Putinification of Ukraine is being funded by the West.’

On top of those anti-Zelenski pieces the legendary reporter Seymour Hersh is writing that Washington is now ready to oust him.

THE END FOR ZELENSKY? (archived) – Seymour Hersh, Jul 18 2025
Washington wants the Ukrainian president to leave office—will it happen?

[Former General Valeri] Zaluzhnyi is now seen as the most credible successor to Zelensky. I have been told by knowledgeable officials in Washington that that job could be his within a few months. Zelensky is on a short list for exile, if President Donald Trump decides to make the call. If Zelensky refuses to leave his office, as is most likely, an involved US official told me: “He’s going to go by force. The ball is in his court.” There are many in Washington and in Ukraine who believe that the escalating air war with Russia must end soon, while there’s still a chance to make a settlement with its president, Vladimir Putin.

There are indications that Zelensky knows what is coming. He has just shifted or fired three officials: the minister of defense, the prime minister, and the ambassador to the United States. As the US official told me, Zelensky “is beginning to read the danger signs.”

Hersh however depends on his sources. There are some claims in his latest which let me doubt their veracity:

I have been provided with new Russian casualty numbers, from carefully evaluated US and British intelligence estimates, that show that Russia has suffered two million casualties—nearly double the current public numbers—since Putin started the war in early 2022.

Given the notorious lack of ammunition on the Ukrainian side of the war the claim of "two million [Russian] casualties", some 50,000 per month, is simply not plausible. Even Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense claims only 1 million. In December 2024 Zelensky claimed less. BBC/Mediazona have counted only 100,000+ Russian killed in action. Here are more reasons to disregard at least some of Hersh' sources.

The big question is of course who is behind the anti-Yermak and now anti-Zelenski campaign. It turns out that these are not just some figures in the Trump administration.

The Ukrainian outlet Strana, blacklisted in Ukraine and Russia, provided some insight.

Internal threat number one. How Poroshenko and Fiala go on the warpath with Zelensky (in Russian, machine translated) – Strana, Jul 17 2025

In Ukraine, an alliance of Petro Poroshenko and grant structures previously close to the US Democratic Party has formed against Volodymyr Zelensky.

'Grant structures' are the 'civil society' and 'anti-corruption' non-government organization in Ukraine which were, until recently, financed by U.S. funds and controlled by Democrats.

After the defeat of the Democrats in the US elections, both grant makers and Poroshenko realized that Zelensky could use the change of power in Washington to crack down on all his opponents inside the country, which Biden did not allow to do before. Therefore, it was decided to join forces to confront Bankova. A significant role is also played by the monetary factor – a sharp reduction in Western grant funding , which hit numerous activists and the media. Against this background, Poroshenko, who has a huge financial resource, looks like a very attractive patron of art for them. At the same time, grantees have their own resources – control over a number of media outlets, and most importantly – influence on the institute of international experts, who have a decisive voice in the selection of judges and heads of law enforcement agencies. And although the creators of this system from the US Democratic Party have already been removed from power in Washington, the system itself continues to function in Ukraine. [..]" the source said.

"… this alliance has connected all its broad connections in the West, conveying to European politicians the idea that Zelensky is turning into a dictator, a "new Putin", and therefore he needs to be hard pressed so that he does not touch opponents."

It is thus obvious that the recent anti-Zelenski pieces in the FT and Spectator are originating from the Poroshenko/NGO alliance in Ukraine. It may even have paid for them.

But it does not mean that these forces are winning.

If Trump believes that he can use Zelenski to further his aims he is likely going to stick to him, no matter whatever else Zelenski does.

Comments

Tiny Dancer, on his tippy toes….oh, no, say it ain’t so…..but but but, Tiny Dancer it can’t be time to go….
A shame if Tiny Dancer gets removed, he just makes a great arch villian….has all the right words, gets the best parts….and location shoots, global….the scenery, the wardrobe….. Academy performance….bravo, encore…..
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2025 12:30 utc | 1

Very helpful and timely this. Many thanks to our host.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 19 2025 12:41 utc | 2

Zelensky will eventually be Diem‘d
Happend to all of our Junkyard Dogs

Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2025 12:49 utc | 3

The little shite was never elected president because elections are democratic. US-Ukraine is not democratic, it’s run by a putsch regime installed by American Caesar.

Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 19 2025 12:49 utc | 4

Some day he will pay for his crimes

Posted by: Timurid | Jul 19 2025 12:50 utc | 5

There is no question that Poroshenko was an official operative for the US State Department under multiple Democrat Administrations. But I always had the impression that he was reluctant to become the President. Given the “health” track records of previous Presidents, who could blame him?
Our Ukraine Insider
Modern Ukraine (1922-91) was a 100% Soviet creation. The country should have been peacefully divided after the collapse of the Soviet Union. But when did “logic” ever influence geopolitics?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 19 2025 13:19 utc | 6

I have been provided with new Russian casualty numbers, from carefully evaluated US and British intelligence estimates, that show that Russia has suffered two million casualties—nearly double the current public numbers—since Putin started the war in early 2022.

If you ever thought Hersch was a source of information, there is your proof he is not.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 19 2025 13:22 utc | 7

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 18th July 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-564

Posted by: The Busker | Jul 19 2025 13:24 utc | 8

Which comes first…the loss of zelensky’s home town Krivoy Rog, or his own capitulation to the wrath, vengeance of Trump?
(Trump has an elephantine memory for slights and attacks, and will one day revel in revenge for Zelensky’s role in his impeachment. )

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 13:24 utc | 9

The loss of Zelenski will not change a thing. No matter how one spins it.
It might put a little hopium in some seeing him go, but in the end, it will still be business as usual. (Western need for a weak Russia.)

Posted by: heavymetal101 | Jul 19 2025 13:35 utc | 10

Norwegian@7…..using the “180 flip the story” propaganda…..would one conclude 404 has the 2 million casualties…..I don’t go to great lengths on the #s lots of mathematic statisticians on MOA…..for me it’s basic 10:1 kia, so if Ukie is short 2 million bodies, Russia will be on the higher side maybe 150-170 kia, that’s me being generous, que the FO trolls…….
Cheers M
… Newbie I’m sure has up to date #s……but there really is no need to mobilize as many people as Russia mobilizes (volunteers included) if you are not loosing bodies…..rotations aside. Its just a little SMO border skirmish….be different if it was a real war….that might motivate the Russians to finish the task….or, the Russian MIC is making so much money of the border skirmish it would be better to draw out the SMO for as long as possible…..not like a 20:1 kia isn’t profitable….from a shareholder perspective…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 19 2025 13:53 utc | 11

“If Trump believes that he can use Zelenski to further his aims he is likely going to stick to him, no matter whatever else Zelenski does.”
Agreed, but what are those aims? Many, the TDS sufferers in particular, think Trump and his oligarchic faction have the same aims as the old guard neolibcons who currently work primarily through the Empire’s Team Blue, but this is obviously not the case. The Trump faction wants, at minimum, to disentangle the US from the Ukraine fiasco and cut losses through NATO, leaving the mess for the chihuahua vassals to deal with. That would free the Imperial Core to turn its attention to China while there is still time to keep the Empire from being the one to die in the Thucydides Trap. The ideal for the Trump faction is, of course, to achieve full rapprochement with Russia and enlist them on the Empire’s side in the fight with China, but there is no time to wait for that possibility to mature. Still, the Trump faction wants to work towards rapprochement with Russia with the understanding the conflict with China will be long and difficult and the Russians will be needed before that conflict can be brought to a close. Towards this end it is vital that no more bridges to reconciliation be burned by the Empire and that Europe be set up to shoulder the full blame as the bad guys in the current war against Russia (not so difficult seeing as they are led by infantile loud-mouth idiots who make the heel character Trump plays in the US kayfabe seem like a statesman in comparison).
What does this mean in the context of Trump’s “support” for the Ukraine’s rubber fetish dictator? Trump will avoid ousting the coke head so long as he remains useful in peeling away domestic US support from the Ukraine. As long as the little green cock gobblin is seen as an ungrateful sniveling beggar mismanaging the Empire’s generous largess, making it difficult for the old neolibcons to work a personality cult around him like they did back when Biden was vegetating in the White House, then Z-boi retains some usefulness to the Trump faction and will likely stay. Keep in mind, though, that if Zalenskyyyiii were to be Diem-ed it would be the CIA/MI6/Mossad that would do the dirty work, and the Trump faction has not yet succeeded in bringing them to heel.
Long story short, if there is a potentially successful move in the Establishment towards making the Z-boi a sympathetic (instead of just a pathetic) character again, then the Trump faction will have to remove him.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 14:01 utc | 12

TrumpTeamTrix impatience with Zelensky is they are salivating about starting the war with China…
What a clown show that will be:

Microsoft using engineers in China for tech support of US military
https://archive.is/Qis9p
Microsoft is using engineers in China to help maintain the Defense Department’s computer systems — with minimal supervision by U.S. personnel — leaving some of the nation’s most sensitive data vulnerable to hacking from its leading cyber adversary, a ProPublica investigation has found.
The arrangement, which was critical to Microsoft winning the federal government’s cloud computing business a decade ago, relies on US citizens with security clearances to oversee the work and serve as a barrier against espionage and sabotage.
But these workers, known as “digital escorts,” often lack the technical expertise to police foreign engineers with far more advanced skills, ProPublica found.
Some are former military personnel with little coding experience who are paid barely more than minimum wage for the work.
“We’re trusting that what they’re doing isn’t malicious, but we really can’t tell,” said one current escort who agreed to speak on condition of anonymity, fearing professional repercussions.
The system has been in place for nearly a decade, though its existence is being reported publicly here for the first time.
Microsoft told ProPublica that it has disclosed details about the escort model to the federal government. But former government officials said in interviews that they had never heard of digital escorts.
The program appears to be so low-profile that even the Defense Department’s IT agency had difficulty finding someone familiar with it.
“Literally no one seems to know anything about this, so I don’t know where to go from here,” said Deven King, spokesperson for the Defense Information Systems Agency.
National security and cybersecurity experts contacted by ProPublica were also surprised to learn that such an arrangement was in place, especially at a time when the U.S. intelligence community and leading members of Congress and the Trump administration view China’s digital prowess as a top threat to the country.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 14:01 utc | 13

Victor Orban:
The notion that Ukraine might defeat Russia and destabilise it has always been a delusional fantasy. They are outnumbered, outgunned, and facing a nuclear superpower; this is not strategy – it is madness. It’s time for peace and common sense to prevail
https://nitter.net/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1946240335283159224
First, we urgently need a ceasefire and peace❗️Then we must define Ukraine – its borders, its population. As of right now, we do not even know what or where Ukraine is ‼️ Finally, once peace and clarity have been restored, we can make lasting agreements with Russia and lay the foundations for a strategic partnership with Ukraine – one that protects our sovereignty, while securing Europe’s future. This is what we must achieve.
From Brussels to Budapest, discontent is spreading. While globalist bureaucrats plot to drain Europe’s money into Ukraine, our farmers are rising up to defend their future.
The EU Commission’s budget proposal isn’t just unfair, it’s not even fit to be negotiated. Hungary stands firm, we’ll always put our families first – Brussels must be stopped!
https://nitter.net/PM_ViktorOrban/status/1945526473277796470

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 14:16 utc | 14

a quote from https://www.southfront.press/donbass-on-the-brink-russias-summer-offensive-is-shattering-ukraines-defenses/
“Ukraine is hastily constructing a new defense line stretching from Sumy to Dnepropetrovsk, dubbed the “Syrsky Line” after Ukraine’s top general. This line relies on urgently reinforced fortifications, including anti-tank ditches, concrete bunkers, and urban strongpoints. Mass forced mobilization across the country and dreams about the renewed arms shipments from NATO to offset losses.”
an interesting comment appearing on the same article
“any non white (specially africans and asians) would be beaten to death by the white supremacists of the following organizations: ss aidar, ss kraken, wolfsangel (aka azov), waffen ss nachtigall (who were in kursk killing civilians), leibstandarte adolf hitler, right sektor – all of them hate africans and asians, and all of them are leading the ukrainian government and military. all of them funded by the us and eu tax payers ”
<=I am asking who are these organizations? How much truth is there in the comment? How does this commenter know these organizations are funded by the US and EU taxpayers? what mechanism are used by these nations to get the funds to these organizations in Ukraine? who and when were these organizations formed? Are these M16 or CIA or Mossad or what? I believe the information and clues provided in this comment could help to Id what is happening in Ukraine. can anyone provide more information, verify the problems expressed in the comment are real or add more to help explain this? I think B your article suggest understanding these various organizations operating in the background are important to understanding Ukraine..

Posted by: snake | Jul 19 2025 14:17 utc | 15

Russia is building large armies not because of casualty rates but because they are fighting NATO and expect one or more nations to be pushed into the bonfire by the Americans and their lackeys. But you knew that.
And any Western armies that do come to Russias doorstep will be annihilated. You know that too.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 19 2025 14:27 utc | 16

Hersh frequently writes bs. Alzheimer’s?

Posted by: nook | Jul 19 2025 14:34 utc | 17

I suppose – it depends on which is the most compliant for Trump, and maybe Starmer and Merz, Zelensky or Poroshenko/NGO alliance – it certainly gives Trump and Co and option, if Zelensky has a hissy fit.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 19 2025 14:38 utc | 18

Z should abdicate and flee to Belarus, seeking political asylum.

Posted by: Klaus | Jul 19 2025 14:40 utc | 19

Hersh frequently writes bs. Alzheimer’s?
@nook | Jul 19 2025 14:34 utc | 17
Or threatened and shows his throat, figuratively speaking, by making a fool of himself.
I think that is a common way for insiders to demonstrate lojalty after they previously have been bold.

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 19 2025 14:51 utc | 20

nook @17: “Hersh frequently writes bs. Alzheimer’s?”
Nope, he is an unwitting narrative backchannel for the misnamed “intelligence community” since the official Establishment mass media they normally use has lost so much credibility. He writes with complete credulity the nonsense the IC “leaks” to him. Of course, they are careful to “leak” partial truths to him to keep him from going the way of the Mockingbird mass media and losing all traction with readers.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 14:53 utc | 21

Consider for a moment whether you think the US is mostly controlled by a uni party where dem/rep labels don’t really matter that much.
If you do, as I do, then surely it would make sense for the PTB in the US to permanently silence Zelensky before he can spill the beans.
And blame Russia. Who would sell him life cover now ??

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 19 2025 15:05 utc | 22

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again Seymour Hersh, is just a another Washington insider shill, his “sources” say 2 million Russian causalities (an impossibly high number), so Hersh dutifully repeats the lie without commenting on how ridiculous it is or the reason that he was paid to repeat it, namely in the futile effort to prime the American public into thinking Russia is about to collapse and that if we keep on the pressure Russia will surrender. That is what the “legendary Seymour Hersh“ is all about

Posted by: Kadath | Jul 19 2025 15:12 utc | 23

Yes, it is quite plausible that The Spectator works with/for Poroshenko. I remember that, long time ago, The Spectatore made a valuable hit piece against Kolomoisky, who was the arch ennemy of Poroshenko.

Posted by: Parisian Guy | Jul 19 2025 15:14 utc | 24

That is what the “legendary Seymour Hersh“ is all about
Posted by: Kadath | Jul 19 2025 15:12 utc | 23

Yes, but nonetheless it is useful knowing exactly what the spooks are thinking even when we know it’s ridiculous.

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 19 2025 15:25 utc | 25

I have been provided with new Russian casualty numbers, from carefully evaluated US and British intelligence estimates, that show that Russia has suffered two million casualties—nearly double the current public numbers—since Putin started the war in early 2022.

If you ever thought Hersch was a source of information, there is your proof he is not.

Hersch is a conduit.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 19 2025 15:26 utc | 26

Judge Barbier @22: “…it would make sense for the PTB in the US to permanently silence Zelensky before he can spill the beans.”
How, exactly, could he “spill the beans”? That requires the complicity of the corporate mass media, and they are a key, central even, component of the so-called “uni party”. If Z-boi tried to “spill the beans”, it would be like the tree falling in the forest with nobody there to hear it… it would be a non-event.
Notables like Putin and Lavrov, both with far more gravitas than the mini narco fuhrer, have pointed out in essence that the Empire is run by a false democracy, and what traction has that gained? Nobody – and that really does mean nobody – cares what the penis piano player says. He’s just a theatrical prop for the cameras. He could be replaced with a cardboard cutout and nobody would know the difference or care.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:26 utc | 27

One name not mentioned in discussions of the machinations within Ukrainian politics (a potential ‘wild card’) is Vitali Klitschko, the current mayor of Kiev. He’s locked horns more than once with the Zelensky/Yermak junta, a couple of his aides were recently subjected to corruption investigations, which Kitschko proclaimed as politically-motivated; there has also been friction with the Kiev military district administration.
Earlier in his political life he was aligned with Poroshenko but the two have since become distanced.
Klitschko also has a pool of personal popularity as a legacy of his professional boxing career.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 19 2025 15:29 utc | 28

Thanks, B, for addressing this topic.
How would I cast the end of Zelensky if I was a script writer? I sure would not send him into exile. The man knows way too much that could become incriminating evidence. I’d wait for one of those 400 drone + missile night attacks by Russia, I’d throw a Nato missile into their midst, (it could even be a refurbished geranimum), target wherever Zelensky is located (after all, Nato knows…). And ho presto! The world has lost the lead actor of an increasingly unpopular TV series. The russians get the blame. There’s nothing Zelensky’s English bodyguards can do, which sticks it to the British (Zelensky’s a British asset after all, not American).

Posted by: Shahmaran | Jul 19 2025 15:29 utc | 29

This looks like so much babble and noise. The US/CIA isn’t what it was in the ’60’s and ’70’s. It looks politicized and incompetent, as with having Afghanistan collapse while headed to the airport and not foreseeing it.
Who’s going to remove Zelensky? They can’t push him into exile without threatening “or else” and that option doesn’t look do-able. Putin could take him out but hasn’t and likely won’t. So, they can hate him and conspire all they want but without literal guns pointed at his head, it goes nowhere.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 19 2025 15:30 utc | 30

has zelensky outlived his usefulness to those who control him?? he has certainly worked hard for the usa and european arms dealers, so that can’t be it.. and the politicians held in captivity by the same military industrial complex – the boris johnsons ( replaced by a similar dolt), friedrich merz, macron, ursala von leyen and etc. etc of the political class?? that can’t be it either, as they are all still firmly in place..
victor orbans commentary ( @ 14 melalueca ) certainly ring true, but orban is on the outside looking in and no one on the inside is listening to him… as for william gruff @ 12 continued faith in trump and the belief of the battle between trump and the deep state ( cia and etc ) – it is a warm and fuzzy idea that trump is a man of peace, and i have to say i am drawn to it as well, but is he really?? he seems more intent on cementing his place in history regardless of what it involves and has nothing to do with love and peace, as he slavish devotion to israel speak so clearly on..
so zelensky will go when he has become completely useless to these same forces that have given him all this cred in the first place… maybe it is coming to this time as the msm writes more of these types of articles.. hard to know…
@ snake | Jul 19 2025 14:17 utc | 15
i think there is a lot of truth in the persons commentary.. the same people who have supported the saving of nazis in the west, are still at it.. all the non govt organizations ( ngos ) continue to frame everything ukrainian in beatific terms..they converted azoz into a non terrorist group to help pave the way for the use and support of them here… you need to consider the sick monsters who are happy to rain murder and destruction on innocent people as being behind this war in ukraine..
of course nato must continue, as many fortunes rely on this… to hell with innocent people being murdered, as nato must continue.. ask the present leaders of europe, or the other vassals canada and etc. etc.. they know whose interests need to be maintained and it isn’t little innocent people in ukraine or russia, or anywhere else for that matter..

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2025 15:31 utc | 31

Kadath @23: “…Hersh dutifully repeats the lie [2 million Russian casualties] without commenting on how ridiculous it is or the reason that he was paid to repeat it, namely in the futile effort to prime the American public into thinking Russia is about to collapse and that if we keep on the pressure Russia will surrender.”
Consider another possibility: If the spook community wants to orchestrate a false flag to keep the US tangled with the Ukrianian tar baby against the Trump faction’s will, then they need to prepare it with the narrative that Russia is desperate enough to do stupid things.
This possibility doesn’t replace what you suggest, just adds to it.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:34 utc | 32

james @31: “…it is a warm and fuzzy idea that trump is a man of peace, and i have to say i am drawn to it as well, but is he really??”
Not at all. He’s just smart enough to realize that the US needs to pick its battles, and the one in the Ukraine isn’t likely to be productive or profitable for the US. The cost-benefit analysis is trending deeper into the red so the project needs to end. The war against Russia is a hard impediment against a much more critical fight to the US: China. So long as the SloSMO drags on in the Ukraine and the US remains tied to it, then the US cannot even seriously confront Iran, much less China.
Anyway, Trump wants Russia to see the US as friends not because of any warm and fuzzy sentimentality, but because the US needs Russia to help in the fight against China and the neolibcon approach of twisting Russia’s arm to force compliance isn’t working. The stick (the Ukraine) broke when the neolibcons hit Russia with it, so the only option left is to try the carrot. Tensions with Russia have to be lowered before that approach has any hope of success. It should have been tried first, but neolibcon hubris precluded it. After all, why would the global hegemon have to ask nicely when it can dictate?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:56 utc | 33

@ Kadath | Jul 19 2025 15:12 utc | 23
he is quite pathetic really, but that is beside the point.. i think the message is to convey how desperate russia is – as you and william suggest.. i suppose this is another trump against the deep state story line to be cultivated by those who believe they are at war with one another, lol..

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2025 15:59 utc | 34

@ William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:56 utc | 33
i appreciate your perspective, but i am not sure i see it that way william… i think these are all signs of an empire in decline and increasingly lashing out in it’s dying days – suffering from all sorts of old age conditions… the usa has waged war in all sorts of indiscriminate ways, all for it’s oligarchs priority – money.. at some point it has to end.. now maybe trump is smart enough to see some of this – i like that line – ‘the stick broke’ and now they have to try a carrot.. how is that going to go over with the neocons / deep state who represent the military, banking and energy complex??
i hope i live long enough to see how this unfolds.. it is going to either happen quickly, or happening more gradually.. either way, the usa empire is fading.. thanks for your commentary! always a pleasure to read you william!

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2025 16:05 utc | 35

*** The US/CIA isn’t what it was in the ’60’s and ’70’s. It looks politicized and incompetent, as with having Afghanistan collapse while headed to the airport and not foreseeing it. ***
Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 19 2025 15:30 utc | 30
It’s ranks are filled with the products of post modernist education that makes all calculus based upon discerning power structures and acting accordingly. With this thinking pervading the organization it can act politically only. Competence suffers because innovative thinkers are “tall weeds” that undermine the prevalent orthodoxy. How it acts is inconsistent depending upon who is winning intermural battles.

Posted by: frithguild | Jul 19 2025 16:08 utc | 36

If the stick is broken the carrot is definitely toxic.

Posted by: ScreamingMonk | Jul 19 2025 16:11 utc | 37

Herschel is wrong to think Russia will become weak and forego its security demands when Zelensky is Diemed

Posted by: paddy | Jul 19 2025 16:19 utc | 38

james @35: “..how is that going to go over with the neocons / deep state who represent the military, banking and energy complex??”
The military is OK with it. The others? Not so much

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 16:21 utc | 39

“First, we urgently need a ceasefire and peace❗️Then we must define Ukraine – its borders, its population.”
Not quite so sure about the ordering of those two? In some situations it might be valid, but here it seems the definition is the a main point in dispute.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 19 2025 16:27 utc | 40

“First, we urgently need a ceasefire
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…to flood rump-404 with British, German, French, and Polish “peacekeepers”.
Is Orbán an idiot, or does he think the Russians are?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 19 2025 16:30 utc | 41

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 14:16 utc | 14
There are very good reasons to fight this war even if it is obvious Ukraine will lose. First, for Europe, the oligarchs who run the joint need an enemy or enemies to impose an authoritarian/totalitarian regime throughout Europe in order to create a unified force war, as has been the case for the USA, always works to impose restrictions on speech and so on. The European publics are, as a whole, even more credulous than the US public that I used to think was the most militantly ignorant public in the world–Europe and Britain/Canada/Australia/New Zealand are also in this category. The US public, because most of us know the government is not our friend, are naturally way more skeptical of US foreign policy claims so at least the public, even if we can’t have much influence over the oligarchy in Washington/NY/LA/SF/Seattle, is on the way to waking up unlike the other countries I mentioned–though I think that will change within a decade. But, in the meantime the oligarchs are making money and acquiring power. US wars have, for some time, been based on making money and this one (in Ukraine) is not different. Trump will support this war as long as his oligarch friends want him to continue–same is even more true in Europe.

Posted by: Chris Cosmos | Jul 19 2025 16:47 utc | 42

Good analysis.
“Hersh however depends on his sources. There are some claims in his latest which let me doubt their veracity”
Hersh is a crypto Zionist. His coverage of the Imperialist bombing of NS2 was very good. However, I read a few of his Substack articles early in the now almost 3 year Israeli genocide of women and children. His Zio sympathies were so evident, I cancelled him immediately.
Anybody with Zio sympathies, is not trustworthy. Period. My guess is he’s got good Zio based contacts throughout the US government and leverages those occasionally to keep monetizing his Substack.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:05 utc | 43

Zelensky will eventually be Diem‘d
Happend to all of our Junkyard Dogs
Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2025 12:49 utc | 3
Not to the Zios, however. He’ll be well protected by Imperialism, but that doesn’t mean much these days. Despite the protection, he may very well be liquidated, but not by his handlers.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:07 utc | 44

Whew…glad b came to that conclusion.
Most if not all of what we see vis a vis Trump and Z has been WWF, especially that first stunt in the Oval Office.
Dance with the one you came with.
The American People love a short, vulgar Jewish man. He is the “underdog” that Americans with pliable views based in a strong sense of morality love to rally behind.
The “little guy” getting whipped abroad has been the casus belli for U.S. involvement since time immemorial. It doesn’t matter if they can not show logical benefit of war abroad, it only matters that “we are the good guys and we are here to help.”
That’s how they play the rubes.
How insanely arrogant. But I can understand why: we are a huge geographical economic zone without a core identity which is the foundation of a nation state. In this void spring all kinds of terrible ideas about what to do then if we can not act like a normal country.
Chief among them is to delude ourselves into thinking that the rest of the world secretly longs to “be” the U.S.. How can the world be something that which Americans can’t even define themselves?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 19 2025 17:13 utc | 45

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 14:16 utc | 14

First, we urgently need a ceasefire and peace❗️Then we must define Ukraine – its borders, its population. As of right now, we do not even know what or where Ukraine is ‼️ Finally, once peace and clarity have been restored, we can make lasting agreements with Russia and lay the foundations for a strategic partnership with Ukraine – one that protects our sovereignty, while securing Europe’s future. This is what we must achieve.

Who’s “we”, pailface?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 17:24 utc | 46

As Putin noted several months ago in his chat with submarine crew members, the real forces running Ukraine hide behind the Zelensky facade, and they are ugly and unworthy of negotiating with–in essence, they are Nazis/Terrorists. So, if/when Zelensky is ousted/eliminated, will another figure head by anointed or will a member of the “dark team” take power? The hooey about Zelensky being an autocrat and corruption reigning is massively funny since it finally describes reality in Kiev. As for Zelensky’s steadfast refusal to negotiate, IMO that’s what the Dark Forces are telling him to do. Nazis don’t negotiate; they fight to the end and need to be completely destroyed in any case.
As for Trump, IMO he used his boast as the war ender during the campaign to get elected because the evidence says he has no intention of actually doing what must be done to rebuild normal relations with Russia–the easiest steps being to restore the stolen diplomatic properties and reestablish direct flights from DC to Moscow. It’s been six months and no movement on either has occurred. The other step would be the severance of support for Ukraine, and that hasn’t happened either. What I read tells me the Outlaw US Empire is still trying to attain its #1 policy goal of Full Spectrum Dominance. One of the very odd aspects of the last several years spanning at least three different administrations is the utter lack of good analysis of those forces the Empire declares as its adversaries. Russia’s weak and will easily fall apart upon the application of sanctions from hell. Iran’s society is fractured, its economy weak and its defenses negligible, so it will easily fall as the result of a decapitation strike as was done with Syria. And China has severe economic and social problems and only needs to be pushed a little to fall, and that can be done via a Trade War. In all of the above, the Empire is seen as very strong militarily, economically and politically. GDP is believed to be $35 Trillion when it’s genuinely just about $15 Trillion, meaning debt to GDP is actually over 200% US weapons don’t perform, particularly AD. It has no Army capable of combat against any peer or near-peer like Iran. Etc. Yet, plutocrat policy drivers see none of that. They have political control of the Empire, they’re filthy rich and that’s all they think is required–they seem to think they’re Olympian Gods they’re hubris’s so massive.
Given the above, what will happen? Trump’s 50 days will arrive and to placate the Congressional hawk majority, he’ll at least invoke the 100% tariffs on any nation trading with Russia. What more might Congress do? It could authorize more money and weapons to support Ukraine that’s made no difference at all to-date. The blowback from the current tariffs will be in motion by then and the folly of doing more might be seen. And we must factor in the political blowback from policies already enacted and other decisions made–support for Genocide, lies about Epstein, throwing his base under the bus, ICE fascism, etc.
As I wrote a few days ago, Trump has already attained the goals he set for himself upon regaining the presidency–Further enriching the already filthy rich while kicking the poor and immigrants in the teeth while continuing his trade warfare against China specifically that was extended to the entire world, which IMO he sees as a game. Congress won’t impeach and convict prior to 2027; after 2027, Congress might be able to impeach but won’t be able to convict. Meanwhile, Russia will attain its SMO goals, and the Empire will lose the Trade War as the world institutes new methods to circumvent Imperial control, which will defeat the #1 policy goal. What happens with Iran is hard to predict along with events in West Asia as a whole. But the big picture seems clearer.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 19 2025 17:28 utc | 47

The carrot should have been tried first, but neolibcon hubris precluded
William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:56 utc | 33
I think some can lose sight of the larger objective, which was to first conquer Russia, then deal with China.
Imagine the strength of the Euro economy if it controlled Russia’s energy resources. A combined US+EU would have easily overwhelmed China.
Losing Russia forced leadership into an unplanned plan B, which is disengage Ukraine and devote message capital (Western unrivaled strength) towards reproachment.
Eventually it can/will work, because at the end of the day Russia is European and China is Asian aka foreign.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 19 2025 17:32 utc | 48

It would be interesting to see what the ICC would do if Zelenski’s exit interview were conducted in Russia? He could share bungalows with Assad.. play his piano, and sing let’s make Ukraine great Again [MUGA] to Trump’s MAGA crowd.

Posted by: snake | Jul 19 2025 17:45 utc | 49

Who’s “we”, pailface?
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 17:24 utc | 46
Fuck off, “Lawrence”.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:46 utc | 50

“They” are finally realizing that the war against Russia is lost and the longer the actor remains at the helm, the bigger the losses in financial and geostrategic means. ZH wrote, that one day after the handover of Odessa assets to US finance operations, it was bombed to zero by the Russians. Hard way to learn the lessons for those greedy armchair bosses in UK/US..
From month to month the Russians and the Brics grew stronger, while the debts of the west are skyrocking to insane volumes.
WITH Zero, 404 will become a critical factor for the West, so he have to go. Dead or alive ,- his choice.
But who will follow,? Who will signing the unconditional surrender? Who will politically survive the terrible mess the 404 will face?

Posted by: ableman | Jul 19 2025 17:50 utc | 51

Trump wants Russia to see the US as friends not because of any warm and fuzzy sentimentality, but because the US needs Russia to help in the fight against China and the neolibcon approach of twisting Russia’s arm to force compliance isn’t working.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:56 utc | 33
If that’s what Trump team is thinking then they are just as delusional as the Dems re: foreign policy. To even entertain the idea of pealing Russia from China, at this stage(!), is just crazy.
That might have been a shrewd idea has someone executed it in the first Obama administration, but to think Russia would give up a rock solid alliance with the most powerful economy in the world to let US imperialism smile in its face and stab it in the back for another decade is unthinkable. That may actually lead to a civil war in Russia.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:55 utc | 52

Zionist Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy (VOZ) shall remain put till November this year.
That’s confirmed – SIS.
After that, anything is possible.
Watch out the boxer, he has a plan and ain’t pretty.
Casualties in Russia are hovering around 100k, no more than that.
For long-gone Ukraine, they exceed the 1,200k mark.

Posted by: pepe | Jul 19 2025 17:56 utc | 53

Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:46 utc | 50
Victor! I hardly recognized you!

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 17:58 utc | 54

Hmmm, those ministers accused of corruption where they British assets perhaps? Replacing Z with the other (London based) Z seems like a nr 10 pleaser

Posted by: DD | Jul 19 2025 17:59 utc | 55

Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:55 utc | 52
But to think Russia would swallow whole what Orban telegraphed and sign on the dotted line appears to be thunk by you! Eat it.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 18:04 utc | 56

Imagine the strength of the Euro economy if it controlled Russia’s energy resources. A combined US+EU would have easily overwhelmed China.
Losing Russia forced leadership into an unplanned plan B, which is disengage Ukraine and devote message capital (Western unrivaled strength) towards reproachment.
Eventually it can/will work, because at the end of the day Russia is European and China is Asian aka foreign.
Posted by: Markw | Jul 19 2025 17:32 utc | 48
The EU, i.e. Germany, already had access to Russia’s energy reserves at below world market prices.
The EU could not provide it so cheaply if they controlled it themselves. CORRUPTION!
The economy is dependent on decisions. Those who neglect infrastructure, education, research, health, migration and seek the “quick buck” even lose their ability to run an innovative arms industry.
And the EU’s biggest enemy is the USA, I am of course talking about the citizens, not the royal household.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 19 2025 18:10 utc | 57

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 17:24 utc | 46
> Who’s “we”, pailface?
Clumsy translation.
Unlike English, Hungarian language does not have an explicit grammatical construct for passive voice.
It uses the first person plural for that, but without using the pronoun, just a verb.
That conveys the notion that the agent of an action is either not known or not important.

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 19 2025 18:14 utc | 58

Ahenobarbus @52:

If that’s what Trump team is thinking then they are just as delusional as the Dems re: foreign policy. To even entertain the idea of pealing Russia from China, at this stage(!), is just crazy.

Is it any crazier than thinking the Empire can force Russia to kneel and obey by force?
I agree it is unlikely, but Russia is capitalist. They are only aligning with socialist states because the West has given them no choice, not because they are ideologically compatible. I don’t see Russia making a principled stand by their current allies if their immediate national interests can be satisfied otherwise. Cases in point: Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and probably Iran. Russia did somewhere between jack and shit for North Korea until Russia needed North Korea’s help. That’s not a friendship a wise person would trust.
I would not bank on Russia making a principled stand for any of their current allies. Russia will stand with them only so long as nobody else offers them a better deal.
Now, can the Trump faction offer Russia a better deal? That is where the doubt comes in. The Empire is in terminal decline, so probably not.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 18:16 utc | 59

Poroshenko and Dem operatives, shocking.

Posted by: annie | Jul 19 2025 18:22 utc | 60

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:55 utc | 52
#######
We have come full circle. Now, Trump is throwing the Russians back under the bus by reprising RussiaGate to divert the base from Epstein.
So, Trump didn’t end his Ukraine war.
He’s ginning up more US/Russia conflict.
He’s hiding pedophiles.
He’s lowered taxes for the rich and he’s savaged American military supplies.
Oh, and he’s conducting a genocide.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 19 2025 18:26 utc | 61

The Russian Armed forces started with 1.3 million servicemen. Saying they lost 1.5x their initial army is a bit of a stretch.

Posted by: James | Jul 19 2025 18:46 utc | 62

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 19 2025 18:14 utc | 58

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 17:24 utc | 46
> Who’s “we”, pailface?
Clumsy translation.
Unlike English, Hungarian language does not have an explicit grammatical construct for passive voice.
It uses the first person plural for that, but without using the pronoun, just a verb.
That conveys the notion that the agent of an action is either not known or not important.

Since you appear knowledgeable, please elaborate those sentences in more diplomatic terms.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 18:49 utc | 63

only 100,000+ Russian killed in action
Only? Only ~1,000,000 grieving family members? Only 2,000,000 grieving friends? How many grieving churches, how many grieving communities? When I listen to Dumbass and his fellow travelers cheerfully cheer-on Russia’s SloMo attrition strategy I think of my younger watching my friends mourn the loss of their eldest brother in the US’s attrition war, Viet Nam and contrast with the newscasters who cheerfully maintained we were winning the war because…because..well, just look at the scoreboard.
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The ideal for the Trump faction is, of course, to achieve full rapprochement with Russia and enlist them on the Empire’s side in the fight with China, but there is no time to wait for that possibility to mature. Still, the Trump faction wants to work towards rapprochement with Russia with the understanding the conflict with China will be long and difficult and the Russians will be needed before that conflict can be brought to a close – William Gruff 12
It’s rare that I disagree with Gruff and here, I do so only at the edges as I am not part of the “Trump faction” just an informed voter that knew that ship had to be turned* away. I, speaking only for me and a small cadre of fellow Trump-voters that I personally know have a slightly different take from that reported above, which I believe to be accurately reported by Gruff-12. I do not think it necessary, nor advisable that we “ enlist [Russia] on the Empire’s side in the fight with China“.
No, it’s enough that Russia be relieved of DC/London/Jerusalem’s military pressure on it’s western/south-western flank and that the sanctions, which hurts only “western-interests”, cease. Both of these failed tactics, [I won’t elevate public-idiocy by calling it a strategy], greatly accelerated China’s rise to world power. Indeed, those in DC who’re most ardently anti-Russian are also the top recipients of Chinese largess in their districts, states, campaign funds and no doubt other favors. Does anyone here think Epstein the only pimp who comforts the comfortables?
Anyhow, I don’t believe that thousands of parallel coincidences are by pure chance, the US in attacking Russian interests is serving as China’s proxy.
And I believe some, very few, in the Kremlin see what I see. China has, under the Hillary/Cheney/Obama/Team-Biden rubric of War-Against-Russia [WAR] extracted long-term energy deals with Russia on very favorable terms, it has also managed many technology transfers that has greatly enhanced it’s military prowess.
All DC [and it’s parasitic fleas] need do to stop this chain reaction going forward is to stop…stop fucking with Russia’s interests. The braggadocios, in the DNC & fellow Cheney-ites, at Lockheed/Northrop/Grumman/Boeing et al, at Langley and at the Pentagon need to STFU and stand down, their idiocy is killing the USA. Truth be told, all of the aforementioned would likely rather kill the messenger rather than accept reality…just as the “nobles” of Rome slaughtered Majorian for heroically attempting and almost succeeding to Save the Crumbling Roman Empire. That’s right, history reveals that the “nobles” of Rome were solely to blame for it’s fall…they weren’t pushed, they jumped into the ash-heap-of-history.
So, should DC/[et al] choose to stop ingesting it’s own excrement, stop effing with Russia, what would happen? Well, trade, for one thing, would improve, China would no longer be making a cut selling Russia’s resources and they would have to pay a higher cost for external resources. Russia’s forces would redeploy forcing China’s forces to redeploy. Yes, power would re-balance in the US’s favor, not because of DC’s urging but because, that’s just natural law. China would, without a single US threat or dollar being spent be constrained from deploying any/all expeditionary forces, no military adventures would be without risk. The world would re-balance itself into a more stable configuration.
*Yes…yes..to the TDSers who are sure the hee-hawing donkey Harris would have been a better President. The ship may seem erratic but, the nation’s collision course with iceberg-Russia has been, at the very least, delayed.

Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 19 2025 18:53 utc | 64

Comments posted are being removed…hmmm?

Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 19 2025 19:09 utc | 65

and restored…hmmm?

Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 19 2025 19:10 utc | 66

hopehely,
Someone who is fluent in Magyar ? Respect !

Posted by: Exile | Jul 19 2025 19:11 utc | 67

Harsh is not one dimensional – being human he is more than one thing.
Same with Zelensky – too many dead to deserve sympathy but I don’t think he has ever had any good choices, doomed from the beginning.

Posted by: Rae | Jul 19 2025 19:12 utc | 68

Biden didn’t allow Zelensky to crack down on opposition?
On which alternate planet?

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 19 2025 19:25 utc | 69

If Hersh can parrot, with a straight face, a ludicrous number of two million Russian casualties, how can this journalist be taken serious any longer?
When would that two million Russian casualties make sense? If it would consist of both military and civilian victims both physical and material. As in having shattered windows or a damaged car. Or if Ukranians, a Slavic people, are also regarded as Russians, given it is essentially an intra Slavic war. But that’s not what Hersh meant of course. In a month his sources will spoon feed him with 10 million Russian casualties from “carefully evaluated US and British intelligence estimates” and it will go down without him batting an eye. Does it occur to him he’s a medium, a platform through which messages are conveyed to the public?

Posted by: xor | Jul 19 2025 19:26 utc | 70

S Brennan Jul 19 2025 18:53 utc | 64
Maybe you think that we are inside of your skull to understand the subtle nuances that you write.
If you don’t mind, would you be able to descent to the simple mortals and write a paragraphed exposition of your opinion in plain words?
Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 19 2025 19:43 utc | 71

If this blog was mine I would mercilessly remove all comments that do not have proper capitalized words and punctuation. May the god of readership hear me. For you all will clearly not.
From France with love

Posted by: Stephane | Jul 19 2025 19:49 utc | 72

Simple question.
Who’s providing his security.?
Is it a Azov praetorian guard that controls him.
Or a foreign security detail?

Posted by: jpc | Jul 19 2025 19:52 utc | 73

🇩🇪🇺🇦The first Patriot system for Ukraine, which Germany will pay for, will be ready in at least six to eight months — Bild
– The system is still in production by the American defense company Raytheon. Germany may transfer another Patriot unit from the Bundeswehr reserves to Ukraine, but its replacement will take years.
– Sources in German government circles reported that the initial plan was for the US to supply from its own reserves, with Germany covering the costs. However, Donald Trump insisted that the Pentagon not give away its air defense systems, forcing Europe to look for its own reserves.
– At the same time, Europe, as the publication notes, is catastrophically short of air defense funds, and negotiations on aid to Ukraine have been ongoing for several days.
– At the start of the conflict, German troops had 12 Patriot systems. Three have already been transferred to Ukraine. Another three are being upgraded, one is needed for training. Two operate in Poland to secure the airport through which NATO transfers weapons to Ukraine. Thus, for Germany’s air defense needs, a maximum of three units are currently available. If another system is transferred, only two will remain.
– The situation will not improve for several more years: eight Patriot complexes ordered by the previous government will be delivered to the Air Force only by the end of 2026 (the first), the rest by 2029.
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Jul 19 2025 19:53 utc | 74

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I completely agree that Russia’s total KIA is more than 100K and less than 170K. I believe the Russian wounded are NOT a traditional 3X the KIA b/c we have read that they have a very good Medevac and triage.
There is NO way that anyone can separate Russia and China at this time, there are less than angstroms of space between these two leaders and their countries. Basically the us/uk/nato “force” has lost already and they should halt any plans to continue this charade…

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 19 2025 19:56 utc | 75

Hersh is an intel asset.
They use him when they are pushing certain narratives.

Posted by: FollowsTheWay | Jul 19 2025 20:01 utc | 76

Stephane | Jul 19 2025 19:49 utc | 71
American English is a very nuanced language. You know.
But, the Americans try to write, almost always, in a plain manner.
The most simple and direct, the best. That’s why they are the exceptional nation in the World.
Because their astounding skills to use nouns and verbs with clarity and precision.
That’s why all the nations in the World comply and wish to be Americans.
😉

Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 19 2025 20:05 utc | 77

Does it occur to him (Hersh) he’s a medium, a platform through which messages are conveyed to the public?
Posted by: xor | Jul 19 2025 19:26 utc | 69

He knows exactly what he is and confesses it in his writings or interviews all the time. Without his sources, he is nothing, so he carefully conceals and protects them. He also admits to placing lies with the “kernel of truth” in his writings as one means of concealment.
As with any large entity, there are factions within the CIA. There are also competing departments and agencies in the Intel business. Hence, Hersh’s sources have an agenda which may not be aligned with the government, as with NordStream.
Or we could go back to his My Lai exposé which, in retrospect, was one of the great double entendres in journalism. “We lie, cheat and steal” ~ Mike Pompeo. It’s the first one!!!

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 19 2025 20:08 utc | 78

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 19 2025 15:05 utc | 22
Indeed, dead men tell no tales. Ask Epstein.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 19 2025 20:14 utc | 79

bisfab | Jul 19 2025 19:56 utc | 74
The Russian fatalities is a State secret, but you don’t have to be so cleaver to consult the public obituaries.
Pepe is right. The estimation of Russian casualties is around 100,000.
Not today (it’s Friday, tine to walk out), but if any one of you are really interested, I can provide the methodology and the figures.
Bye

Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 19 2025 20:16 utc | 80

Sy Hersh looks very much like a “limited hangout”; he’s allowed to go off reservation on certain topics, but knows which side his bread is buttered on other topics, e.g the genocidal apartheid entity.
Wonder if he is on the much-discussed “Epstein list”???

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 19 2025 20:19 utc | 81

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 17:55 utc | 52
#######
We have come full circle. Now, Trump is throwing the Russians back under the bus by reprising RussiaGate to divert the base from Epstein.
So, Trump didn’t end his Ukraine war.
He’s ginning up more US/Russia conflict.
He’s hiding pedophiles.
He’s lowered taxes for the rich and he’s savaged American military supplies.
Oh, and he’s conducting a genocide.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 19 2025 18:26 utc | 61
Agreed on all points. Further, he doesn’t give a shit about America. He governs the country for the benefit of Israel first.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 20:22 utc | 82

Now, can the Trump faction offer Russia a better deal? That is where the doubt comes in. The Empire is in terminal decline, so probably not.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 18:16 utc | 59
Objectively, they cannot. The US and Europe cannot match what China has to offer. Not even close. In fact, it seems the Euros are not as comfortable with alienating China as Trump wishes. Macron has been very vocal on the topic lately.
US Imperialism is a universally despised dead dog. Not to mention, they have gone so far as to push an ‘all of society’ hate campaign, not against Putin, but all Russian people, the language, culture, everything. Even an absolute mercenary would blush at the idea of working with such an opponent.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 20:31 utc | 83

The EU/Germany, already had access to Russia’s energy reserves at below world market prices.
BlindSpot | Jul 19 2025 18:10 utc | 57
Over and over again I need to repeat the salient point of my message. (I only do it because of MoA’s reach.)
Access is not control/ownership. Why is this important? Because ownership can be leveraged as collateral for investment and lending activities.
Consider a great rent controlled apartment in NYC way under market prices. The sugar daddy dies and the surviving wife kicks out the mistress.
If the sidepiece was actually gifted the apartment and she held legal title, she could walk into any bank to secure a loan to open a boutique.
Do you see the difference? Why was it insufficient for Germany to merely have a good deal? Because the private, debt based monetary system needs constant loan growth to function. That means collateralizable assets, which means the EU had to control Russia’s shit.
It’s really that simple, and for everyone running around accusing E Euro juice of harboring a long standing grudge, that has nothing to do with the real, fundamental operational needs of empire, which is to conquer, expand, levy tribute and loot.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 19 2025 20:33 utc | 84

Who’s providing his security.?

@ jpc | Jul 19 2025 19:52 utc | 72
The comedian’s foreign escapades security detail has been run by the British at least since 2023. Whether they cover his ass inside 404 I don’t know.
The banderites aren’t the biggest fans of his, never were, that’s a certainty.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 19 2025 20:36 utc | 85

Some people want to remove the penis piano player? But… but… but those people are antisemites!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!

Posted by: Naive | Jul 19 2025 20:41 utc | 86

>>> Simple question.
Who’s providing his security.?
Is it a Azov praetorian guard that controls him.
Or a foreign security detail? <<< Posted by: jpc | Jul 19 2025 19:52 utc | 72 . . . Many think that the British are in full control of Z's security. A disgruntled group of Azovs would have whacked him by now, I should think.

Posted by: seer | Jul 19 2025 20:41 utc | 87

nook | Jul 19 2025 14:34 utc | 17
Hersh frequently writes bs. Alzheimer’s?
Shekels.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 20:48 utc | 88

I watched Mercouris and he picked apart the Hersh opinions. Moving past the British habit of understatement, Hersh should be ashamed. Sloppy,inexact, maybe an attempt at younger glory. Zelensky holds on, period.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 19 2025 20:53 utc | 89

librul – I know you have chamged your handle, but I don’t remember the new one – your prediction has failed. You raised hopes that Zelensky would be disposed of in the second quarter of 2025 – now it is July and he is still around. He is needed to keep the war going, and to have the European public believe that by supporting Ukraine they’re pursuing a just cause. His face is still needed on European TV, or people might just get tired and the money would eventually stop flowing.

Posted by: grunzt | Jul 19 2025 20:57 utc | 90

hopehely | Jul 19 2025 18:14 utc | 58

Clumsy translation.
Unlike English, Hungarian language does not have an explicit grammatical construct for passive voice.
It uses the first person plural for that, but without using the pronoun, just a verb.
That conveys the notion that the agent of an action is either not known or not important.

First, we urgently need a ceasefire and peace❗️ Then we must define Ukraine – its borders, its
population. As of right now, we do not even know what or where Ukraine is ‼️ Finally, once peace and clarity have been restored, we can make lasting agreements with Russia and lay the foundations for a strategic partnership with Ukraine – one that protects our sovereignty, while securing Europe’s future. This is what we must achieve.
Official Orban?[Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 19 2025 14:16 utc | 14]
Your explanation doesn’t wash. Elaborate. &STFU, Ahenorabbi

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 20:58 utc | 91

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 14:53 utc | 21
For once I almost agree with you. Only it is not “unwitting”, it is voluntarily. Now he is a piece of shit. See also about Gaza. And before on JFK.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 19 2025 20:59 utc | 92

He governs the country for the benefit of Israel first.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 19 2025 20:22 utc | 81

And for the mic. But who benefits from the mic….? I have an idea…

Posted by: Naive | Jul 19 2025 21:02 utc | 93

“…Hersh should be ashamed. Sloppy,inexact, maybe an attempt at younger glory.”
Or told to write it by The Source.
“Zelensky holds on, period.”
To what his power or life? As the Game moves along, eventually pieces are removed. Never know when the Drone of Doom eyes you.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Jul 19 2025 21:04 utc | 94

S Brennan @64: “It’s rare that I disagree with Gruff and here…”
I don’t think we are all that much in disagreement. By “Trump faction” I am talking about the subset of the business elites who run the Empire who see the previous course the Empire was on as being seriously problematic. This would tend to be big industrialists in manufacturing and resources as opposed to ones in big finance. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are referring to Trump’s electoral base, which has somewhat different motivations.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 21:04 utc | 95

Ahenobarbus @82: “Objectively, they cannot. The US and Europe cannot match what China has to offer. Not even close.”
Economically? You are right. Not a chance.
But the Empire has other things to gift that Russia would find attractive. If the US were to offer to hand the reins of NATO over to Russia in exchange for their support against China, I think the Russians would quickly accept it. Russia’s biggest concern, the threat posed by NATO, would be gone, and the Empire’s need for help against China would be secured.
“Not to mention, they have gone so far as to push an ‘all of society’ hate campaign, not against Putin, but all Russian people, the language, culture, everything.”
Yeah, banning Russian cat breeds from cat shows was even more unhinged than banning Russian athletes from international competitions. Crazy shit.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 21:27 utc | 96

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 14:01 utc | 12
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 15:56 utc | 33

William Gruff spends all day talking about what Trump wants and work backwards from that premise to justify what Trump does. Our host b does the same thing.
“I’m trying to clean myself up, which is why I’m wallowing in pig shit! If you can’t see that what I’m doing is kayfabe or 4D chess towards achieving my true purpose of getting clean, you have TDS!”
Wanting something doesn’t make it true—this applies to Trump himself and to people analyzing Trump’s actions.
Much noise was made about Trump’s humiliation of Zelensky on his trip to the White House being a signal of America’s clean break from the Ukranian conflict (b’s posts from March 1 and March 4). Now that Trump has toughened his stance against Russia, Zelensky suddenly becomes the golden shower boy of the administration and its sycophantic supporters. Only deranged and deluded Trump cultists would ever believe that Trump’s actions against Russia constitute “carrots” as opposed to “sticks”.
Minerals deal. Weapons. Sanctions. Everything Trump is doing is only heightening Russia’s security concerns and making it clear to Russia that America is Russia’s greatest threat regardless of which American government is in charge. Everything Trump is doing is driving Russia closer to China, which is the opposite of what Trump purportedly wants.
How would the average Russian people take the news of Trump sending weapons to Ukraine and imposing secondary sanctions on Russia? Do Americans and wannabe Americans imagine Russians to be as docile and as easily brainwashed into cults like the average Trump supporter?

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jul 19 2025 21:29 utc | 97

Here are b’s words back in March, spoken like someone who sincerely believed and still believes that Trump represents a meaningful change from the Biden administration.

Zelenski agrees to the ‘mineral deal’ but inserts language that implies the agreement is a step towards ‘security guarantees’ which Trump had rejected explicitly. The White House is likely to reject Zelenski’s attempt to make nice with Trump. If only to demonstrate to Europeans and other recalcitrant figures that any resistance to Trump is futile.
Posted by b on March 4, 2025 at 17:51 UTC | Permalink

Zelenski will have to go – one way or the other. His former advisor, the slimy Oleksy Arestovych, is already offering himself as replacement. The Russians are the big winner in this. Ukraine is in a scuffle with its main sponsor. The western alliance has splintered. The enemies’ frontline is falling apart. Russia is opposed to Trump’s main demand of a cease-fire along the current frontline. But Zelenski is blamed for sabotaging it. I do not see how Zelenski can escape from this.
Posted by b on March 1, 2025 at 16:18 UTC | Permalink

How did that analysis pan out?

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jul 19 2025 21:30 utc | 98

Who would be willing to bet that, if Zelensky digs in his heels by continuing to declare martial every 90 days so he does not have to hold presidential elections (which would result in him being voted out of office), his British bodyguards will be instructed to get rid of him one way or another?
If the dirty deed can be dressed up as an accident or a tragedy, and blamed on Moscow, so much the better.
Zelensky’s best chances of surviving into old age lie in surrendering to Russia and taking his punishment in prison for the rest of his life.
As for Petro Poroshenko, he undoubtedly will continue bleeding what remains of Ukraine for his own profit either as president or a puppet master controlling whoever becomes president. If Zaluzhny or Klitschko were to become President of Ukraine, he will be even more of a puppet leader than Zelensky was. Zelensky at least had some rat cunning.

Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 19 2025 21:31 utc | 99

@ William Gruff | Jul 19 2025 21:27 utc | 95
usa handing nato over to russia would require a 180 from all the members of nato.. i can’t see it happening, but stranger things have happened… no, i think nato continues to play the role it was designed for – making money for the war industry specifically… mind you, i suppose nato members could be conditioned to believe china is the new enemy, but they better start doing this soon.. they have spent all their time saying russia is the enemy and it will be difficult to change here in a timely fashion…
if trump was able to quit nato – that would be amazing, but i suppose that would come with a huge price on his longevity.. giving it to russia would be a similar thing.. mind you he is getting on in age and his mental health seems clearly in question, so i suppose it is all possible! frankly though he is too attached to his image on social media for him to be thinking of this!

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2025 21:32 utc | 100