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July 30, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-171

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Posted by: Naive | Jul 30 2025 20:45 utc | 39
Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 30 2025 22:41 utc | 54
Is there some kind of comprehension problem here. You are only reading the stuff I was quoting, and disagreeing with it, then repeating the gist of what I was actually saying in reply to the quotes.
Try reading ALL of what is in a comment before making a knee jerk reply.

Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 31 2025 9:03 utc | 101

JamesBond | 94
The question may be the same as in 2001 but sure as hell the answers are different.

Posted by: SOS | Jul 31 2025 9:03 utc | 102

This needs to be more widely known.
PROOF THAT WW1 WAS FOUGHT TO STEAL PALESTINE/ISRAEL FOR THE JEWS.
The First World War; 100 years of lies.
So, why was the first world war planned and executed?
To steal Palestine/Israel for the Jews!
The plan was already well known in 1853.
The following is a quote from George Faber’s 1853 book on the downfall of the Turkish power and the return of the ten tribes (available here).
“The subversion of the Turkish Power will evidently occasion, as all seem to anticipate, a fearful general war. This war will, I believe, be the last under the present order of things. It will commence, indeed, in Europe: but,… it will pass into Palestine…. and, in the course of its evolutions, Israel will be restored.”
George Faber and his fellow conspirators, the Jews, successfully bought the plan to fruition, as can be seen from the following:
“The subversion of the Turkish Power [i.e., the Ottoman Empire] will evidently occasion, as all seem to anticipate, a fearful general war [i.e., the first world war]. This war will, I believe, be the last under the present order of things [ushering a new world order]. It will commence, indeed, in Europe [with the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in 1914]: but,… it will pass into Palestine [western troops entered Palestine early in 1917]…. and, in the course of its evolutions [the second world war beginning 1939], Israel will be restored [Palestine/Israel was successfully stolen from its rightful inhabitants in 1948].”
Some have complained that George Faber should not be included among the conspirators. They claim that he was just being used by the Jews to attain their ends. To back up their claim they state that Faber foresaw the return of all twelve tribes of Israel, which never happened, whereas the Jews only wanted the return of the Jews, which did happen. Once the Jews had obtained their goal, no more was heard about the return of the other tribes, it just wasn’t a concern. This indicates that Faber’s notions were of little importance, and that he was being used by the conspirators, rather than that he was among the conspirators.

Posted by: comment | Jul 31 2025 9:06 utc | 103

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 6:04 utc | 87
Again, this theory of divide and rule suggests that the policy is created as a means to deny the general population the conditions necessary for a transformative enlightenment, instead of seeing it as an effective and natural method of keeping order and stopping chaos breaking out, by focusing the group on exterior threats.
The trans movement was not simply a distraction device, it was a Trojan horse that contained elements designed to destroy norms, whilst also being an agenda accelerator for the trans-humanist movement. As for the ‘latest research’ it’s largely aimed at discovering why things work the way they do, possibly refinement, or exploitation of new technologies, but very little that is groundbreaking. As anyone who has been in charge of, or commanded, humans knows, whilst they present themselves as complex, individual creatures, with differentiated needs and wants (all true from the first-person perspective) they react, under specific circumstances, in a predictable way.
I’ve attended countless events where the latest theories are expounded and then gone back and picked up a history book and read about those self-same principles being used. As they say, live long enough and you understand that every idea or theory is on a slowly rotating wheel. Wait long enough and the old magically becomes the new.
Where my anger lies , is not in the manipulators, but those who systematically deconstruct the components of a functioning society and corrupt them, so as to gain and maintain control, for controls sake or because they believe they can transform humanity, or ‘bend the arc of history’.
It’s why societies that try to enforce their template of humanity onto their populations end up wasting huge amounts of resources trying to sustain the project, often collapsing because they are unable to maintain the effort.. As the Van Halen sang, ‘we’re humans being’, which some people cannot accept, for a multitude of reasons, rarely any being benign.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 9:22 utc | 104

Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 2:24 utc | 70 IRT snake | Jul 31 2025 2:18 utc | 69
But they also have a choice to accept the Red or the Blue pill, something many concerned Americans on here somehow manage to do.
<= I have a theory about why that is so? Most Americans are allowed to know so little about what their national government does, that to them national politics has come to be looked at as deep science with complicated math so it is ignored; the rank and file are indifferent to indifferent to national and especially to international activities. So why do Americans vote red vs blue has to do with local politics.. In some states in order to vote in primaries the voter must register as a member of one or the other color. independents are not allowed to vote in primaries. and in many states independent can't even get on the ballot. ..people care who their mayor is, they want to vote for changes to their state constitutions, but because of ignorance they don't give a rats ass which liar in chief is the current occupant of the white house. People have learned no matter the national campaign promises, nothing will change, Obama poisoned that well. Thanks for the reply.. Your observation deserves some thought.. the big question it raises is: how to overcome the deep state intention to keep the voters uninformed. IOT educate the voting public it is necessary to provide voters with easy access to the information appropriate to developing understanding. The problem is the deep state owns, controls and manipulates the information environment; voters are allowed to engage with and see only that which the deep state wants them to see.

Posted by: snake | Jul 31 2025 9:31 utc | 105

@102,
For the better of mankind, I hope the answer is different this time.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jul 31 2025 9:37 utc | 106

Posted by: Beobachter II | Jul 31 2025 7:55 utc | 90
Or Trump celebrating, as a Ukrainian collapse would strengthen his hand against the administrative state by reinforcing his narrative that they are the real enemy. Again, if the round facts don’t fit the square hole, look for one that’s a bit more roundish. Fisher Price made a fortune teaching that to children.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 9:50 utc | 107

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 17:47 utc | 14
In between your list of fake concerns by concern trolls there is one real concern: demography.
This is the single major failure of Putin’s rule and he has pretty much admitted that, but he’s still working on it.
The re-conquest of the whole of Ukraine by extermination of ukrop male population will bring a new stock of single Slav females of reproductive age to inseminate into the Russian assets parts of the ledger, thereby giving a small boost to baby production, so there is that.
But much more need to be done. Russia can have a population the size of the USA or even all of Europe.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 31 2025 10:05 utc | 108

@107,
Trump doesn’t want Ukraine to collapse, if he wanted .. he would’ve picked other people than Kellogg or Rubio to handle these the discussions with Russia. He also wouldn’t supply any further weapons or incite more war with Russia.
Let’s not kid ourselves, he is a low IQ individual who only cares that US maintain its hegemony without caring one bit about anyone else or the damage it creates to others.
Its time for some people here to see him for what he is.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jul 31 2025 10:09 utc | 109

@ SOS, §100:
Agreed: Russia would likely profit from luring a restive Hungary, Poland and Rumania from the fracturing EU.
Eastern Europe and, generally, all the former Soviet side of the Iron Curtain, are extremely disenchanted with Western Europe´s reckless importing of Mohammedans and other aliens, to the detriment of their own societies.
Add to that the removal of cheap Russian energy, it must make it highly attractive for them to ditch the EU.
Austria, which thrives on high-tech products, looks set to join Hungary and retrieve its traditional Russian export market as well as cheap fuel. There´s currently a battle there trying to push Austria to end its neutrality and join NATO.
Russia could accelerate this by offering cooperation to Poland & Rumania in “solving the Ukraine problem”. This holds out the prospect of a return of Galicia to Poland and of Bessarabia to Rumania. It also relieves Russia of the need for a hostile occupation that Galicia & Bessarabia would likely entail. Russia would also be in a good position then to bargain over conditions – such as Poland & Rumania hand over their Aegis Ashore batteries and, even, leave NATO and declare neutrality.
If this benefited Poland & Rumania as it should, Finland might also look at returning to its happy, profitable neutrality and ditch NATO.

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 31 2025 10:12 utc | 110

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 20:25 utc | 34
This guy “gets it” regarding the possibility of internal Ukrainian collapse into civil war/turmoil

Correct. That’s why I’ve been saying any replacement has to be a super fanatical fascist dictator, brought to power in a classic military coup, and which will start by killing and imprisoning the current admin and then sending all remaining males to the Eastern Fronts.
It’s tough for Western honchos to manage something like that, to cheer for a full-blown fascist dictator in the Ukraines, but they have polished many other turds in the past, like that head-chopper turned suit-wearing politician in Syria.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 31 2025 10:16 utc | 111

comment | Jul 31 2025 9:06 utc | 103
I don’t think Faber
a) had any influence on UK foreign policy
b) knew many, if any Jews
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Stanley_Faber
At the height of British power in the Victorian age, some thinkers (and it was a Christian age) looked for theological explanations of how it was that a small island of 40-odd million dominated so much of the globe.
Why would God have favoured Britain so?
Some theorised that the Brits themselves were descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. Faber’s writings are part of this general current of thought.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 31 2025 10:24 utc | 112

Key Ukrainian defense position on high ground …
Chasiv Yar Falls to Russian Forces After Nearly a Year of Intense Fighting

Posted by: Oui | Jul 31 2025 10:53 utc | 113

Posted by: Milites | Jul 30 2025 21:17 utc | 44
Excellent article.
Betz (Department of War Studies, King’s College London) and Smith (Centre for Future Defence and National Security, Canberra) show that there are signs of intelligent life in Western circles.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 31 2025 10:54 utc | 114

So it seems the rumours of the daring raid on Odessa by RF special forces killed guards and captured U.K. and Intelligence personnel who have been directing the U.K. illegal warmaking there. It also seems the tunnel via Poland through which Germany and Europe was supplying armaments and personnel – was destroyed with much of the meteriel.
It also seems true that the airfields hosting western forces and f16’s got screwed. The airfields with helicopters too … not forgetting the ship loaded with Aussie useless tanks smuggled in by the Turkish natzios.
In response the dill have announced the arrest of one of their airforce commanders for supplying info to the RF!
No wonder HerrStarmztrooper, fuehrina VdL and all looked a bit flummoxed visiting The Donald in his Scottish rescidence! And all the smoke and mirrors squizzle pointing about tariffs that he has been – like a pisshead – spraying the urinals! Threatening Medvedev like some cheap gangster from the gutters of Chicago. Which is where the US shitheads really come from.
Lol … the end is fast approaching. Including the annihilation of the natziods.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2025 11:06 utc | 115

Posted by: snake | Jul 31 2025 9:31 utc | 105
Just to say I thoroughly agree with you that the people are badly informed, deceived, manipulated and tricked ad infinitum by the government and the media. It’s the same in my country too.
When the ancient Greek Athenians chose to establish a direct democracy, they we very clear that people had to be honestly informed if democracy was to work. But if you know the views of Socrates through Plato, you’ll also know he also worked out that demagogues (now populists) would be the fly in the ointment and he was aware of the existence of corruption and was eventually executed for denouncing it to his young followers.
It seems that democracy is a joke now since it has been eaten out with every possible trick that exists and works in conjunction with the venal media to deceive and trick people into believing nothing but delusion. This only suits a very small group of incorrigible people who uniquely gain wealth and power at the expense of the masses.
As you would know the red and blue pill comes from the first Matrix and is probably one of the most salient points made at the beginning of the movie. Literally Morpheus asks Neo: “do you want the truth or do you prefer to choose to live in deception”. Comparable to the Allegory of Plato’s Cave.
It is true that many Americans see through the situation, as the Matrix story sees Neo choose to do, and after all it is an American movie. Americans are always their best critics I always say, and there are many on here and on video sites and with websites elsewhere as well. As to why more Americans don’t choose to investigate further I can only suggest that there may be many reasons. The delusions behind modern consumerism and capitalism are perhaps one reason, and the hope of becoming one of the winners as portrayed in the media. Another one maybe that some simply do not have enough time given their lives are full with work and survival.
George Orwell made a pretty good point in 1984 and elaborated on it elsewhere, and that was it was only (some of ) the upper middle class (in his day, in Britain) that would ever act to bring about change. He said this was because they were they only ones that had enough education to figure out what was going on. The upper classes where not to be trusted since they always sought to enslave everyone else. That’s why (educated) Winston Smith is monitored and targeted in 1984, while Big Brother leaves the proletariat class alone since they would not have the inkling that anything was wrong if they got enough alcohol and other amusements, and not even think about their predicament. Orwell certainly spent a lot of time observing the classes (including coal miners) in his English society and even in Paris to establish his basic theory at the time.
Thanks for a kind response and it is always pleasure to discuss things here with people like yourself who like to share ideas and hold respect for the ideas of other people. Much appreciated.

Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 11:31 utc | 116

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 31 2025 10:54 utc | 113
There is but, as the recently released ObamaGate papers distressingly show, whilst the agency analysts were highly competent and professional, in their judgements, their masters were following their own agenda. It will be interesting to see if more articles like the one posted are written, or will the continued failure in Ukraine cause a further clampdown and Soviet-style demands to support the state narrative.
Personally, I think the ongoing revelations in the US are going to be a tsunami, reshaping politics forever there, the interesting thing will be what will be the size of the waves reaching Europe and how much damage will they cause.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 11:36 utc | 117

Jams O’Donnell@101
Right, apologies for the misattribution.

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 31 2025 11:39 utc | 118

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 9:22 utc | 104
Thanks again for a magnificent post. Thinking/writing superb. It’s a chore wading through this place, but well worth it because of you and a few others.

Posted by: Robert Smith | Jul 31 2025 11:58 utc | 119

@ milites
> Where my anger lies , is not in the manipulators, but those who systematically deconstruct the components of a functioning society and corrupt them, so as to gain and maintain control, for controls sake or because they believe they can transform humanity, or ‘bend the arc of history’.
You are not angry at the manipulators? It’s hard to know what an “uncorrupted” society should/would look like — your vision or someone else’s — if the reigning power goes around confusing everyone. The manipulation is the root of the corruption.
> instead of seeing it as an effective and natural method of keeping order and stopping chaos breaking out, by focusing the group on exterior threats.
Where are the “interior/exterior” boundaries? Does the club of people ruling and oppressing regular Americans and Europeans see the regular citizens as “interior” or “exterior”? Seems to me they treat us as “exterior” to their club. They divide and conquer the serfs everywhere the same way. They ply their trade inside USA and inside the EU just as much as they do elsewhere.
By the time they’re “done” ensuring regular people are only concerned with “external” threats, the list of beneficiaries of their system narrows to oligarchs and upper echelons of their public and private organizations.

Still, thank you for your reply. I generally like your writing and the ideas you add. Unless I’m skipping whole pages of comments or days away from the bar, I always read yours.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 12:16 utc | 120

I haven’t check in in a while but I’ll stop by for a beer and raise my glass to the liberation of Chasov Yar!

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 31 2025 12:21 utc | 121

Posted by: Milites | Jul 30 2025 21:17 utc | 44
Excellent article as many said
The past called and wants some dues.
And yes not repeat but rhyme and most people forget how young the us is (even if cearlier creation moment )
As for changes , maybe not strictly for the citizen but increased public vs private finance (swings every 400 years)

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2025 12:22 utc | 122

Russia could accelerate this by offering cooperation to Poland & Rumania in “solving the Ukraine problem”. This holds out the prospect of a return of Galicia to Poland and of Bessarabia to Rumania.
Posted by: John Marks | Jul 31 2025 10:12 utc | 110
Romania officially said they don’t have any territorial disputes. Nato won’t let them want it anyway. They are interested in assimilating Moldova to bring Nato near Odessa. Poland recently said they want Odessa to gain access to Black Sea. Basically Nato plans to expand again and Russia will watch it like a movie, like they do since 90s regardless of who was the president. They also cry about the Baltic sea now: “Direct Western attacks on Russian ships and maritime infrastructure cannot be ruled out” – Patrushev ( tass.com/politics/1996513 , tass.com/politics/1996521 )

Posted by: rk | Jul 31 2025 12:41 utc | 123

They also cry about the Baltic sea now
Posted by: rk | Jul 31 2025 12:41 utc | 122

stop crying about russian statements.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 31 2025 12:57 utc | 124

Victor Orban should go for broke and invade Western Ukraine now while they’re weak. Use the Right to Protect justification. Many ethnic Hungarians being persecuted by the Nazis and press ganged.
Make Hungary Great Again!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 31 2025 13:00 utc | 125

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 31 2025 13:00 utc | 124

the question is, can nato members aside from the us/uk even independently engage in military actions against other states without nato consent, ie blessing from their american bosses?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 31 2025 13:05 utc | 126

Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jul 31 2025 12:21 utc | 120
I haven’t check in in a while but I’ll stop by for a beer and raise my glass to the liberation of Chasov Yar!
I will join you in having a drink to that if I may.
Marat Kharallian has an interesting new article (today).
It seems like after the Pokrovsk area is liberated that the RF is making a serious push towards the Kharkov/Lyman/Izyum area to the North. This might be a feint, but who knows.
Whatever, I think a push to one or more strategic areas on the Dnieper is likely in the near future. It would be interesting to have newbie’s view on this.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 31 2025 13:10 utc | 127

@Justpassinby – Of course they can. Orban commands the military. Send in the tanks. Ursula doesn’t get a vote, and NATO can rage all they want but they’d be fucked.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 31 2025 13:13 utc | 128

Re “gender-bending” propaganda, Nato countries used it not just within the USA/EU for red/blue debate but to also instill anger in the blues for Russia and other “traditional” nations. USA/EU propaganda tells consumers the enemies are populated by backward anti-gay people. Some of them are. Some just don’t want it “visible”. And some just don’t want their nation turning into a place where “male athletes beat up women and use their bathrooms” and “quack doctors make life-altering operations on minors”.
It was a wedge issue internally and externally.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 13:36 utc | 129

“IOT(In order to) educate the voting public it is necessary to provide voters with easy access to the information appropriate to developing understanding. The problem is the deep state owns, controls and manipulates the information environment; voters are allowed to engage with and see only that which the deep state wants them to see.”
A large number of American voters no longer trusts or believes the state run media. We know that polls are rigged and stories are slanted/concocted to make us vote a certain way, so we look for information from alternative sources and tend to believe sources that disagree with the state run media. You’re also correct that we are more motivated by local issues (jobs, safety, cost of living, protecting our children, etc.) so we tend to be less aware of (and more gullible about) foreign issues; hence the many who believe that Putin is evil and he started the war. We can see daily the cost of living increases or the vulnerability of our children, but we can only read from afar about what is going on overseas. Hence, the disconnect on foreign issues, lack of understanding of BRICS and multi-polarity, etc. To be fair, many MAGA voters did expect that Trump would follow through on his promise of no new wars and a quick end to existing ones. It doesn’t look like Trump will deliver on that promise, but we are getting the domestic concerns fixed and so we’re still getting much of what we voted for.
Posted by: snake | Jul 31 2025 9:31 utc | 105

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 14:15 utc | 130

Over night strike on Ukraine said to be successful.
“Russian forces carried out a strike on Ukrainian defense industry facilities and other military targets overnight, the Defense Ministry in Moscow reported on Thursday. Ukrainian officials earlier claimed that Kiev bore the brunt of the attack.
The ministry reported in a statement a “large-scale precision strike” involving long-range weapons and unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). The targets included “Ukraine’s defense industry facilities, a military airfield infrastructure, and a depot storing ammunition, missiles, and components for the production of unmanned aerial vehicles,” according to the ministry.
“All designated targets have been hit,” the ministry said in its statement. “The objectives of the strike have been achieved.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 14:15 utc | 131

A straight-shooter explains the reality on the ground in Brussels and Kyiv.
U.S. Military Mobilizing? Ground Intervention in Ukraine May Be Days Away | Col. Douglas Macgregor | Debate Judge Napolitano |
In above assessment of NATO’s proxy war against Russia …

    ■ Dmitry Trenin writes the ’War Will Be Long’
    ■ Rogue 4 Star General Donahue boasts of taking Kaliningrad
    ■ US boots on the ground
    ■ EU elites and VDL deal w Trump is to preserve unity for war on Russia
    ■ Remain in power as rebellion is brewing in the West
    ■ The US-EU “trade deal” was a non-event

Posted by: Oui | Jul 31 2025 14:20 utc | 132

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 31 2025 11:06 utc | 114
“So it seems the rumours of the daring raid on Odessa by RF special forces killed guards and captured U.K. and Intelligence personnel who have been directing the U.K. illegal warmaking there. It also seems the tunnel via Poland through which Germany and Europe was supplying armaments and personnel – was destroyed with much of the meteriel.
It also seems true that the airfields hosting western forces and f16’s got screwed. The airfields with helicopters too … not forgetting the ship loaded with Aussie useless tanks smuggled in by the Turkish natzios.”
I missed those stories. Can you share any links?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 14:27 utc | 133

Trump is a low IQ individual who only cares that US maintain its hegemony without caring one bit about others
JamesBond | Jul 31 2025 10:09 utc | 109
See, this is where MoA fails (badly) – it’s simply yet another church with its own rigid dogma rather than a virtual think tank considering all information and options.
What does your first assertion have to logically do with the second? Nothing, it’s just an emotional reaction that is most likely simply a projection of your own personal frustrations.
I get it. Dreams of utopia where a fair and just world is organized to prioritize social and material needs is a recurrent theme every generation holds upon realizing just how cruel life really is.
However, back in the real world, planners and leaders are looking far beyond the time where the new LoC will be frozen at the Polish border, and what that means going forward.
On a 1:1 basis, both the US/EU and RU/CN have large numbers of high IQ jewish and asian scientists and engineers to push the technology envelope, and both have adequate numbers of heritage populations to act as managers and operators.
However, only the USEU has sufficient reserves of brown/black fodder that can be freely dispensed with without any real material cost to society as a whole.
This of course is Russia’s demographic weak point, which entails either China earmarking their huge population of single males (resulting from the 1 child policy), or Russia will need to throw open its borders to the Indian subcontinent much like the UK.
As I keep saying, we’re barely just finishing the opening chapter of WW3.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 31 2025 14:32 utc | 134

Johan Kaspar @ 108
Nope. The breeding population left long ago. RF inherits a geriatric ward.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 31 2025 14:36 utc | 135

On a 1:1 basis, both the US/EU and RU/CN have large numbers of high IQ jewish
They better send some of them over to Israel then because everyone over there seems to be half retarded going by the videos i’m seeing daily.

Posted by: SB | Jul 31 2025 14:58 utc | 136

@134,
My assertion is the fact that if you listen to Trump for at least 5 minutes, you would notice that the level of pure knowledge that this guy has, is fairly limited. And yes, even with his brain limits, he knows that US needs to maintain its hegemony in eyes of its vassals and foes alike. You don’t need to be a genius to see that.
Also, as Putin and other better leaders noticed, POTUS is basically a figurehead in the American Empire machine which is (sadly) still the only power that can project raw destruction everywhere not just militarily but also economic pain.
We can discuss “think tank level” discussions but the crude fact is that BRICS is not yet ready. Hence why each of its members is basically negotiating separately which is what US wants.
You talk about MoA failing because some like me, mention some cold hardened facts not some wishful thinking stuff that may or may not happen.

Posted by: JamesBond | Jul 31 2025 14:58 utc | 137

Re: Posted by: Oui | Jul 30 2025 14:43 utc | 1

Odesa is key to the Black Sea and both Erdogan and Aliyev are provoking for Ukrainian control over Crimea. Putin wants a settlement not an endless conflict.

This is absolutely insane.
If you want a settlement on your terms, you actually have to go and win the conflict and dictate terms.
Not agree to an eventual ceasefire that just guarantees endless and continued conflict.
Besides, haven’t Putin, Lavrov & Medvedev repeatedly told us The West are AGREEMENT INCAPABLE – how can you then turn around and sign a useless agreement with them after saying such a thing is impossible!
No, doing so would be beyond stupid – just guaranteeing future conflict.
From effectively 100% of Ukraine in 2013 to 20% in 2025 – hardly a win, in fact, not a win at all.

Posted by: Julian | Jul 31 2025 15:12 utc | 138

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 13:36 utc | 128
It always existed, it was tolerated to a remarkable degree by society as a whole and had numerous outlets, but as you state, it was weaponised by those seeking to reconstruct the definition of humanity, whilst simultaneously aiming at societal deconstruction. The only problem was that the people who’d been assigned the role turned out to be as bad, if not worse, than those who’d been demonised as intolerant, right-wing nazis. Worse, the medical condition known to be directly linked with body dysphoria, autism, began to actively sabotage the project with its compulsion to categorise every type of sexual preference, making the project a target for mockery (eg the alphabet people and the abomination of a flag). Lastly, it sparked a huge, largely hidden (due to MSM suppression) war between the more traditional sexual minorities and the splinter group, causing huge resentment amongst the former community as the latter showed their true authoritarian nature.
So what had seemed like the perfect narrative tool to: mobilise the propagandised youth, extend and neuter any meaningful effects of foreign intervention, thus increasing the duration of the revenue stream, (Afghan elders might indulge and accept that Thursday has always been ‘boys night’, but a woman claiming to be a man, was manna from heaven to Taliban influencers), provide a weaponised movement to disrupt traditional societies and accelerate the trans-humanist agenda, began to unravel. Worse was to come though when the suppression of any debate had only hidden the growing resentment felt towards this phenomenon.
The real panic started to set in when Trump, ever the campaign master, started to champion women only sport and the ‘He’s for you, she’s for they’ campaign began to seriously bite. Democrats had to endure the full ordeal by meme, that they’d only glimpsed before, due to their occupation of Twitter, and the Biden, then Harris campaign, realised too late that they’d self-forged a concealed nemesis. Hence Trump’s majority women support, except the AWFL’s and the 18-25 bracket, and the massive gender gap, especially amongst the black community.
So why bring this up, because the manipulation was not only discovered, it was reforged and sent straight back at the manipulators. Humans have been manipulating people since they walked the earth and have become good at detecting it, but, and here’s the guilty secret, when people claim to have been the victims of manipulation a significant portion use their supposed gullibility to try to escape moral responsibility, and possible sanction, for a movement they had actively supported, before it failed.
So yes, you’re correct, the deconstructors had to initially use manipulation to initiate their plan, but then they went far further, taking sadistic glee in wrecking the developing consensus and weakening the pillars of a functioning society. What’s fascinating though is that the society they presumed to understand and be masters of, (demolition engineers should first be structural engineers), and believed was easy prey, has turned out to be far more resilient and deep rooted than they expected. Humans being, not humans bending, it seems.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 15:24 utc | 139

@Paranaense | Thu, 31 Jul 2025 14:27:00 GMT | 133

I missed those stories. Can you share any links?

Vladimir Brovkin video (18mins)

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 31 2025 15:46 utc | 140

See, this is where MoA fails (badly) – it’s simply yet another church with its own rigid dogma rather than a virtual think tank considering all information and options.
Posted by: Markw | Jul 31 2025 14:32 utc | 134
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Why should it be a virtual think tank?
If you don’t see what you want, be the change you want to see in the world. Hectoring others for not meeting your desires is unprofitable.
I have run fairly large online communities in the past, and they always develop their own limits. Floors and ceilings. Trying to change them is difficult and risks destruction.
Organizing humans is a difficult endeavor. And then the audience here is the most difficult, a lot of males (contentious by nature), a lot of outliers.
Use MoA for what it does well, and for what it does not, seek elsewhere.
One-stop shopping isn’t always the answer.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 15:47 utc | 141

“Hectoring others for not meeting your desires is”Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 15:47 utc | 141
And flagrant hypocrisy is a thing.
“I have run fairly large online communities in the past, and”
Eh?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 16:28 utc | 142

It seems like after the Pokrovsk area is liberated that the RF is making a serious push towards the Kharkov/Lyman/Izyum area to the North. This might be a feint, but who knows.
Whatever, I think a push to one or more strategic areas on the Dnieper is likely in the near future. It would be interesting to have newbie’s view on this.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 31 2025 13:10 utc | 127
You could have posted the link, I don’t hold an exclusive and take days off every once in a while
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-30th
As for my opinion, not a military expert in any way, is what I’ve been saying about 37E, a straight line at 37 east longitude (36 if Ukraine misbehaves)
Can be something final or a stepping stone .

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2025 17:09 utc | 143

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 31 2025 15:46 utc | 140
Thanks for the link. I wasn’t familiar with Dr. Brovkin.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 17:34 utc | 144

Not sure when this happened.
“At night, Russian special forces landed in Ochakov on several boats and penetrated the command center. They captured British soldiers who coordinated the use of British missiles and drones. Among the captives are Colonel Edward Blake, an officer of the special psychological operations unit; Lieutenant Colonel Richard Carroll, an official of the British Ministry of Defense, who was significantly involved in operations in the Middle East; and an unidentified employee, probably an officer of the MI6 intelligence service, who was present as an advisor on cybersecurity.
The operation of the Russian special forces lasted about 15 minutes.
Within a few hours of the operation, diplomatic relations between London and Moscow deteriorated sharply. Representatives of the British Foreign Office turned to the Russian Ministry of Defense with a request to return the British officers who had “lost their way” to Ukrainian territory. The official version from London: the detained officers were heading to Ukraine for tourist purposes and accidentally ended up in Ochakov. They were probably interested in naval history and wanted to visit the coast where battles took place during World War II.
However, the detainees were not found with beach towels or cameras, but with maps with strategic objects on Russian territory, plans of Russian air defense, secret instructions for interaction with Ukrainian drone operators, as well as disks with encrypted data and records of negotiations with the British General Staff. Quite unusual propriety for tourists.
Russian Defense Minister Belousov allegedly told the British that the British soldiers were not subject to exchange and that the West would not return them by Red Cross planes. Russia intends to put them on trial for participating in military actions against Russia.”
“Operation Skat-12 became part of the new Russian military doctrine, which moves “towards proactive control of the battlefield”:
“Strikes are carried out first and without warning, an attack strategy in all directions. The General Intelligence Directorate (GRU) received a new directive: “Russia is no longer waiting, we act first.” The task of the special forces is to act covertly and effectively, causing fear among NATO officers, demotivating them in the matter of providing assistance to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:44 utc | 145

YetAnotherAnon | Jul 31 2025 10:24 utc | 112
*** Why would God have favoured Britain so? ***
Only the British ruling class, of course.
as much later adverts would say, because they were worth it.
The rest knew their divinely decreed place…
forelocks are for tugging, amen.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 31 2025 18:58 utc | 146

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 15:24 utc | 139
“… and here’s the guilty secret, when people claim to have been the victims of manipulation a significant portion use their supposed gullibility to try to escape moral responsibility, and possible sanction, for a movement they had actively supported, before it failed.”
Yes yes yes. Case in point, the willing, underage teenage prostitutes in the advantageous financial and lifestyle employ of Epstein, subsequently playing the “abused victim” 20 years after the fact.

Posted by: The Poor Sookums | Jul 31 2025 23:12 utc | 147

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 31 2025 17:09 utc | 143
You could have posted the link, I don’t hold an exclusive and take days off every once in a while
I apologise for being presumptions newbie, and while you may not be formally a “military expert”, you do seem to have a much better idea of what is really going on in Ukraine than the vast majority of commentators here at MoA. Kudos to you sir.
I usually scan MK stuff and try to understand as best I can. It is sometimes a bit difficult because my old eyes are failing and the MK stuff is very detailed.
Anyhow, I am now very pleased that Chasovv Yar has now been liberated by RF.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 1 2025 2:18 utc | 149

The SVO is not popular in Russia, no matter what Kremlin shills tell you. Instead of reading fairy tales about 86% approval ratings for Putin, look at the hard reality of how much the Kremlin has to pay to get its next batch of fertilizer to lay down in Ukraine. The prices of recruits have increased dramatically and now offer more than well-paying jobs. Provided you survive, of course. Which they don’t mention during recruitment drives.
Incidentally, this makes the Russians who come to Ukraine to murder Ukrainians even more odious as they are trivially doing it for money rather than because they had to as conscripts. Some heroes. I just watched a video by some Russian woman who was disgusted with a drunk SVO veteran. These men are social pariahs even in Putin’s Russia already. What a contrast to the funeral of a soldier I saw in Lviv, where every passerby stopped to show respect.

Posted by: Branislav Slantchev | Aug 1 2025 6:09 utc | 150

Posted by: oldhippie | Jul 31 2025 14:36 utc | 135
Nope. The breeding population left long ago. RF inherits a geriatric ward.

Not true. Remaining young females (15-49 yr old) are 7-8 millions. Some of them may run to the EU once the Russian cross the river but millions will remain.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 1 2025 6:12 utc | 151

Posted by: Branislav Slantchev | Aug 1 2025 6:09 utc | 150
Fascinating insights.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 1 2025 7:57 utc | 152

The results are in! With yesterdays 430 confirmed KIA, July 2025 officially becomes statistically the WORST month in the history of the SMO in terms of deaths. But please everyone! Keep letting random grifters who’ve never set foot in Russia tell you how well everything is going!

Posted by: Кельт | Aug 1 2025 9:09 utc | 153

Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 11:36 utc | 117
Not sure about that my good Milites. Trump disappointed in the major issue of the need for very harsh austerity with that BBB. So I’m not sure he has the spine and cojones to punish his internal enemies. Hope you’re right though.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Aug 1 2025 9:11 utc | 154

Not sure when this happened.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:44 utc | 145
It happened in the fantasies of Borzikman of youtube, at least until Tass writes about it

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2025 9:29 utc | 155

The Russian MoD is a corrupted incompetent slow ministry. I am not even sure the so-called “war of attrition” can really deplete Ukrainian manpower. At the end of the day, it’s a 2-digit million country. If all Ukrainian men die, will Indians replace them when/if Russia win?
It’s really baffling to me when the Russians want to fight to the last Ukrainian. It will also take so many Russian loses in manpower and equipment. Then let’s assume Russia wins, then what? Take over an empty destroyed Ukraine and fill it with blacks and Indians?

Posted by: fancemon | Aug 1 2025 9:31 utc | 156

Posted by: fancemon | Aug 1 2025 9:31 utc | 156
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You should rather be baffled why Zelenski et al and EU want to fight to the last Ukrainian.
Troll.

Posted by: scc | Aug 1 2025 11:21 utc | 157

Posted by: scc | Aug 1 2025 11:21 utc | 157
Good point(s).
It looks like there is a new infestation of trolls. This happens when things are not going too well for NATO in Ukraine. I think the fall of Chavez Yar might have triggered this latest outburst, so brace yourself for the Tsunami of crap that will hit this bar when Pokrovsk, Slaviansk and Kupiansk etc get liberated by the RF. Seems like the fall of these towns (and others) maybe imminent according to Marat K and Simplicius’s latest articles.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 1 2025 12:42 utc | 158

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, August 1st 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-be0

Posted by: The Busker | Aug 1 2025 13:06 utc | 159

See, this is where MoA fails (badly) – it’s simply yet another church with its own rigid dogma rather than a virtual think tank considering all information and options.

Nonsense. There is no unity at this bar, save for the common thread of logic and reason that unites all of humanity – whether they will it or not.
If your ideas don’t find purchase, perhaps they’re not very good ideas . So sorry.
I understand those with a kind of emotional investment in the Ukraine conflict that they are unable to analyze it dispassionately, but not everyone is so blinkered. Saying that Russia has triumphed is an comment on observable reality and little else.
The denial ain’t a river in Egypt, but it is deep and unchanging.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 1 2025 18:18 utc | 160

WWIII goes social, with Dmitry Medvedev as RF’s tweeter-in-chief. If DJT wants to play internet insult-contest (thing-wagging with nuclear subs!) Medvedev is totally ready:
Medvedev:

Trump’s playing the ultimatum game with Russia: 50 days or 10… He should remember 2 things:
1. Russia isn’t Israel or even Iran.
2. Each new ultimatum is a threat and a step towards war. Not between Russia and Ukraine, but with his own country. Don’t go down the Sleepy Joe road!

Trump:

Based on the highly provocative statements of the Former President of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev, who is now the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation, I have ordered two Nuclear Submarines to be positioned in the appropriate regions, just in case these foolish and inflammatory statements are more than just that. Words are very important, and can often lead to unintended consequences, I hope this will not be one of those instances. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 1 2025 19:14 utc | 161

@ Doctor Eleven, §160:
Well said, doctor!
At the bar I find most interesting the reasonably argued predictions, based on evidence, for the future.
In particular, the future trajectory of America and how Europe will find its values again for, at present, it has lost the plot. The treasure of The Enlightenment seems now to survive only in Russia and surprisingly, despite Mafiosi pressure from the occupying Americans, in Japan.
The immediate future of the Ukraine seems likely to be a rump state – minus the Donbass and Odessa. Galicia and Bessarabia may also be ceded to Poland & Rumania respectively if those two states leave the NATO camp and establish normal, friendly relations with Russia: for Russia does not want the hostile populations of Galicia and Bessarabia.
A rump Ukraine (Chornarus?) similar to Belarus seems the most likely outcome.

Posted by: John Marks | Aug 1 2025 19:17 utc | 162

Folks, hold onto your asses. Trump – the daddy god-emperor of mankind and Americas savior in chief – has taken us to DEFCOPE 1.
I’ll see myself out.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 1 2025 19:19 utc | 163

I doubt Trump and his minions such as Starmer and Merz, will like this – maybe this the real reason Trump has deployed two nuclear subs.
2The first mass produced Oreshnik hypersonic missile system has entered service with Russia’s armed forces, President Vladimir Putin announced on Friday during a briefing on the state of the military operation in Ukraine.
Russia battle-tested the new hypersonic missile in November by conducting a strike on a military factory in Ukraine. The Oreshnik missile is believed to be nuclear-capable, although Putin had previously stated its conventional form can inflict damage comparable to a low-yield nuclear explosion.
The first mass produced Oreshnik hypersonic missile system has entered service with Russia’s armed forces, President Vladimir Putin announced on Friday during a briefing on the state of the military operation in Ukraine.
Russia battle-tested the new hypersonic missile in November by conducting a strike on a military factory in Ukraine. The Oreshnik missile is believed to be nuclear-capable, although Putin had previously stated its conventional form can inflict damage comparable to a low-yield nuclear explosion.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 1 2025 19:56 utc | 164

I doubt Trump and his minions such as Starmer and Merz, will like this – maybe this the real reason Trump has deployed two nuclear subs.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Aug 1 2025 19:56 utc | 164
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Trump has many masters.
He has to “do something” to make America look tough on behalf of the Senate Neocons.
He also has to make public statements to project an air of dominance to the MAGAs. So much of his schtick is being a tough Daddy who will protect the kids from a world that wants to take advantage of them.
It is quite likely that not one sub moved. When Trump says he is going to do something, remember that less than half of what he says ever happens.
This is all entertainment for the Axis, watching the American leader make a fool of himself publicly.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 1 2025 20:05 utc | 165

He said submarines, not the invisible planes that went to Iran, because he thinks no one knows where they are. You can’t see what is under water!! And 2 because Russia is so weak 2 is enough.
He also talked again about RF losses, with numbers, which are far worse than Ukr losses which are tiny, like his ( topwar.ru/269048-tramp-ocenil-poteri-vs-rf-i-vsu-v-konflikte-kak-1125-k-8-tysjacham-s-nachala-goda-v-polzu-kieva.html )

Posted by: rk | Aug 1 2025 20:42 utc | 166

Y’all might be interested in hearing more about this:
https://www.thekhybermail.com/ukraine-war-british-officers-captured-in-russian-special-forces-raid/

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 1 2025 21:19 utc | 167

From Slavyangrad:
“Trump: This is a war that should not have happened – it is Biden’s war, not Trump’s. I am here to see if I can stop it”
Then the US president started spouting some wild nonsense, even crazier than Ukrainian propagandists:
“Russia has lost 112,500 soldiers since the beginning of the year. Ukraine has also suffered heavily. They have lost about 8,000 soldiers since January 1, 2025, and this number does not include those missing in action”, Trump said.
Now Trump is trying to push some propaganda numbers to get Russia to agree to ceasefire. Russia has lost a gazillion men.”
Source: https://t.me/Slavyangrad/136701
I refuse to believe he’s that retarded. He probably thinks his audience is retarded, and some of them probably are.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 1 2025 21:57 utc | 168

@168
Trump has some in his following who are so brainwashed as to believe tariffs will cure the U$$A debt, and make every person in U$$A the Beaver’s father, that Trump is not protecting high placed pedophiles and that Kiev Nazis are saints.
Very few in real U$$A are buying in to Trump’s blither.
Soon enough we will demand Epstein flight logs back to 1990.
If Trump don’t blow up the world to cover his sponsors

Posted by: paddy | Aug 1 2025 22:14 utc | 169

@167
There are thousands of U$$A citizen technicians servicing the high tech weapons gifted to Kiev by Trump in both his terms and Biden following Trump and Obama.
The level of expertise to service M1A1 tanks, M-2 Abrams, Patriot, and their E.U. equivalent is not among Kiev people and would take years to train them!
There are probably 20000 U$$A and E.U. soldiers and civilian contractors, some casualties to RF destroying western weapons and logistics sites.

Posted by: paddy | Aug 1 2025 22:22 utc | 170

NoName@168…..and if he’s right, then what? 112k dead Russians, entirely plausible, 10:1 against over one million dead Ukies and that’s me being extremely generous, I personally believe Russian KIA as being higher, still running 10:1 against Ukie with Ukie topping out close to 2 million dead by now…..like it matters though….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 2 2025 0:14 utc | 171

NoName@168…..and if he’s right, then what? 112k dead Russians, entirely plausible, 10:1 against over one million dead Ukies and that’s me being extremely generous, I personally believe Russian KIA as being higher, still running 10:1 against Ukie with Ukie topping out close to 2 million dead by now…..like it matters though….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Aug 2 2025 0:14 utc | 171
“and if he’s right, then what? 112k dead Russians, entirely plausible”
If he had written “since the beginning of 2022” … yes, that’s probably a plausible number. But since the beginning of THIS YEAR? That’s nonsense.

Posted by: NoName | Aug 2 2025 0:19 utc | 172

Posted by: John Marks | Aug 1 2025 19:17 utc | 162
“A rump Ukraine (Chornarus?) similar to Belarus seems the most likely outcome.”
I reckon that is a pretty good assessment John. However, if things look like they are going that way for Ukraine, then NATO will not be happy and the bent wing nuts in charge with tenuous appreciation of reality might try something really stupid.
Hope I am wrong about this, but there is certainly an element of insanity within the NATO and Western “leadership” establishments who would like to “defeat the RF on the battlefield”.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 2 2025 0:37 utc | 173

“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”
Sun Tzu – Art of War.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Aug 2 2025 1:05 utc | 174

So we have:
1. Trump telling the Russians they have 50 days to surrender.
2. Trump changing that to 10 days to surrender.
3. U.S. NATO general talking about taking Kaliningrad within 24 hours.
4. A rumor that Russia destroyed a tunnel from Poland into Ukraine filled with military vehicles and equipment.
5. A German Luftwaffe A400M transport filled with military equipment destroyed on a Ukrainian airfield, probably while taxiing to parking,with the loss of the crew, aircraft, and cargo.
6. Russian raid on a British command post on the Black Sea coast where the Russians captured the two senior officers and a MI6 guy, and killed everyone else on site.
7. The sinking, in the Black Sea, of a ship carrying 60 or so M1 Abrams tanks.
8. Aircraft (F16s or MiGs) flying back and forth between NATO bases in Romania or Poland and Ukraine.
Analysis
Each item above had their own, individual explanations. Trumps deadline was about tariffs. Threats against Kaliningrad were empty boasts. The tunnel into Ukraine filled with vehicles was used to keep the Ukrainian armed. The loss of the A500M and tank filled ship were signs of western desperation. The aircraft flying from Ukraine to NATO bases were Ukrainian pilots fleeing. Finally, the British command center was used to direct Storm Shadow strikes.
I don’t think these are discreet and separate events. They paint a picture for me if NATO preparing to enter Ukraine. The Abrams being shipped to Odessa, an A500M taking the risk of landing in Ukraine (very high priority defense equipment on board), the tunnel crammed full of vehicles and equipment (which I assume were fully fueled and loaded with ammunition), NATO aircraft flying into Ukraine on familiarization flights, threats on Kaliningrad to draw Russian attention north, and a forward deployed British command center all suggest NATO was planning to enter Ukraine – seizing control of Odessa, and possibly pushing hard to position forces in Kiev.
Trump’s 10 day deadline may have nothing to do with tariffs. In fact the entire tariffs craziness, while it might have a purpose in itself, could be meant to distract attention away from the possibility the Trump deadline was to signal when NATO would enter the war.
That would explain how these direct Russian attacks on NATO personnel and equipment are coming so fast and furious. They know NATO’s plan and these are spoiling attacks.

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 2 2025 1:37 utc | 175

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 2 2025 1:37 utc | 175
Trump’s 10 day deadline may have nothing to do with tariffs. In fact the entire tariffs craziness, while it might have a purpose in itself, could be meant to distract attention away from the possibility the Trump deadline was to signal when NATO would enter the war.
That would explain how these direct Russian attacks on NATO personnel and equipment are coming so fast and furious. They know NATO’s plan and these are spoiling attacks.
You may well be something in what you are saying Nobody Special.
Now we have DJT apparently ordering deployment of 2 nuclear subs near Russia.
I assume these would be Los Angelese or Virginia class boats rather than boomers. But why telegraph the fact?
It is either another Trumpian bluff or a further indication of NATO desperation. How many days left now for VVP to capitulate?
I think it is mostly theater to give the sane individuals time to isolate and “sit on” the crazies. I sincerely hope so anyway.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Aug 2 2025 3:47 utc | 176

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Aug 1 2025 19:19 utc | 163
“Folks, hold onto your asses. Trump – the daddy god-emperor of mankind and Americas savior in chief – has taken us to DEFCOPE 1.
I’ll see myself out.”
I would guess it’s just more bluffing, trying to make something out of a bad hand. It’s not as if those two subs were sitting in dry dock with nothing to do. They were somewhere, and now they’re somewhere else. Nuclear subs aren’t stored in the attic until a need arises; they’re always on patrol, running training drills, or they’re in port being serviced and provisioned for the next assignment. That’s my layman’s guess.

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 2 2025 4:23 utc | 177

@ Paranaense | Aug 2 2025 4:23 utc | 179 with speculation about the sub situation.
From what I heard from Alt pundits is that this is serious.
It tells Russia that the subs are going to move from where they are [Russia may not know but will be looking now]
It does put Russia on a higher alert level because of the potential of a below radar attack from the subs.
The following quote from Putin today shows what a real leader says

“In order to solve the issue in a peaceful way, we need deep conversations, not in public, but in the silence of a negotiating process.”

The pundits are saying that we are closer to nuke use than last November when Biden was steering us there….threatening with nukes based on a warning tweet is beyond puerile and bordering on demented.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Aug 2 2025 4:37 utc | 178

“In order to solve the issue in a peaceful way, we need deep conversations, not in public, but in the silence of a negotiating process.”
What wasn’t said out loud after Trump’s `shoot the messenger’ performance today? https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/article-trump-orders-head-of-us-employment-data-fired-after-weak-jobs-report/
Biden was f*cking scarey.

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 2 2025 4:49 utc | 179

That would explain how these direct Russian attacks on NATO personnel and equipment are coming so fast and furious.
Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 2 2025 1:37 utc | 175
They’ve done this since the smo started. Remember Mariupol or the tiny Snake island Bojo wanted to conquer and killed thousands trying? What is the difference now?
Also, some of the 1-8 points you made are based on “trust me bro” with the same value as Ukr videos yt is pushing every day

Posted by: rk | Aug 2 2025 5:50 utc | 180

@ Barrel Brown, § 176:
Medvedev was reasonable and measured in what he said, especially given Trump´s peremptory ultimatum.
Trump´s macho response, publicly announcing the deployment of two nuclear submarines towards Russia, is the height of irresponsibility, putting a nuclear exchanger on a trigger-hair. Trump was in part elected because he promised to bury the hatchet with Russia. Although his latest action may be pandering to the bribed lobby in the Senate, this behaviour endangers us all. Sooner or later, Trump has to defy the NeoCons if he is to deliver on his promises.

Posted by: John Marks | Aug 2 2025 10:04 utc | 181

Trump was in part elected because he promised to bury the hatchet with Russia…
@ John Marks | Aug 2 2025 10:04 utc | 181

Also because the alternative, kackling Kamala, seemed under the influence of Dim russophobia; On just as steep a descent into Armageddon as her demented mentor. Now we’re completely stripped of semi-rational opposition to USA’s rapid deterioration in all domains — especially its slouching into WWIII.
Outside of the microscopic world of bloggers such as b, Caitlin, Larry — my morning coffee — where is there any opposition to USA’s self-immolation? The Dims are even worse, if at all possible, with Russia. Every bit as evil and arrogant with the whole rest of the world, historically and rhetorically.
Our corporate media evidently regards nuclear war as a business opportunity, exemplifying the same delusions permeating Washington D.C. No daylight there. Most “alternative media” gatekeepers, such as Amy Goodman, have been rabidly opposed to Russia, because Putin. No daylight there.
These are the currents on which our polity helplessly drifts. Circling the drain.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 2 2025 10:39 utc | 182

“That’s my layman’s guess.”
Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 2 2025 4:23 utc | 177
You are correct.
Thomas

Posted by: Thomas | Aug 2 2025 10:49 utc | 183

Posted by: John Marks | Aug 2 2025 10:04 utc | 181
The worst thing Medvedev can do is *not* react to Trump’s nonsense about nuclear subs. Even if he has in fact deployed these subs as he has claimed.
It may be as simple as Trump assisting the neo-cons in trying to shut Medvedev up, for his role in playing ‘bad cop’ to Putin’s ‘good cop’ – at least in his interactions with Trump. Russia at the very least needs a ‘bad cop’ to deal with their enemies, especially if no life threatening escalation is going to occur.
Another insulting tweet and what will Trump do? Launch the nukes? Not likely. Put the orange man in his place Dimitry.
Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 2 2025 11:40 utc | 300

Posted by: Night Tripper | Aug 2 2025 11:44 utc | 184

Posted by: Nobody Special | Aug 2 2025 1:37 utc | 175
Can’t add to or subtract from your comment, but it was one of the better integrative efforts I’ve seen here.

Posted by: dadooronron | Aug 2 2025 11:51 utc | 185

Let’s discuss AFU casualties
So
https://tass.com/defense/1997303
Russian officer says Ukraine’s losses cited by Ukrainian volunteer are realistic
According to TASS’ estimates based on daily bulletins, Ukraine’s overall losses exceed 300,000 over the seven months of 2025
MOSCOW, August 1. /TASS/. The data about Ukraine’s daily losses of up to 1,500 troops that was cited by Ukrainian volunteer Maria Berlinskaya look quite realistic, a source in the Russian law enforcement told TASS.
“Realistic data concerning the Kiev regime’s losses has been made public in Ukraine. Ukrainian army volunteer Maria Berlinskaya anticipates that there will be no Ukrainian army by the end of this year, bearing in mind that it loses more than 1,500 troops a day, who are either killed or wounded or desert. These figures are the result of the analysis of obituaries and communication with army units,” the source said.
Now let’s get our calculator and crunch some numbers. 2025, a real low year compared to 2024 gives 45k per month, let’s say 2022 was also at that magnitude (though it included first strike and the counter attack) , let’s say a round 800k
But 2024 was consistently higher (+25%) even before Kursk, and way higher after (+50%)
Let’s say we average it out at a prudent 60k per month .
Now… that’s 2024 at 700k
Anyone believes that still swimming in meat and attacking with the grandiose 2023 attempt to cut RF 2023 was less deadly than 2024?
Another 800k? More? Let’s keep the 800
So 800+700+800= 2.300 as an absolute floor for AFU permanent casualties
Some numbers above were rounded down and were already lowest estimates. Truth is probably +50% (or a number in between, but unlikely outside of these limits)
I’d go for higher limit for this phrase
“Ukrainian army volunteer Maria Berlinskaya anticipates that there will be no Ukrainian army by the end of this year,”

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2025 11:57 utc | 186

Nuke subs do not appear at the designated positions the moment they are ordered to go there. It takes time, perhaps several days, for them to arrive at location. Furthermore, if, as Nobody Special @175 above posits, NATO is preparing a major operation, then preparations began many months to years ago. The nuke subs would have received their assignments long before Trump made his announcement.
Aleph_Null @182 points out “Now we’re completely stripped of semi-rational opposition to USA’s rapid deterioration in all domains — especially its slouching into WWIII.”
Imagine yourself to be a rational person in that mix trying to head off WWIII. You go against the Establishment groupthink on something this big and the knives will come out for certain and literally, so what do you do?
Trump’s nuke submarine comment is not an arrogant threat. It is a warning to alert the Russians of imperial plans that are already in progress. Trump’s comment may even have contained enough information to tell the Russians roughly where the subs are so that the Russians can locate and neutralize them.
Of course, this is predicated upon the scenario suggested by Nobody Special above in which a major move by NATO forces is imminent, along with the high probability that Trump doesn’t have the leverage within the Establishment to change the course of some operation with such enormous momentum.
On the other hand, if the situation proposed by Nobody Special is wrong and this is actually originating from Trump then it is just theater and nothing will come of it. The 8th will come and go with only a new loud noise to startle the TDS victims into a new meaningless panic.

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 2 2025 12:49 utc | 187

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 2 2025 4:49 utc | 179
That lady should have been fired years ago. She’s been overreporting new jobs by a quarter million for years now and revising them down later. Reminds me of the talking Barbie doll that says “math is hard.”

Posted by: Paranaense | Aug 2 2025 13:54 utc | 188

@ William Gruff
I agree. The US submarines have very likely been deployed already. Can trump order a nuclear hit on Russia without Congress approval when no war is yet declared?

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 2 2025 14:10 utc | 189

1.250 AFU casualties
https://tass.com/defense/1997401
Did anyone post S’s yesterday article?
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/sitrep-8125-chasov-yar-falls-pokrovsk
Plenty of details

Posted by: Newbie | Aug 2 2025 14:18 utc | 190

@ Nobody Special | Aug 2 2025 1:37 utc | 175
@ William Gruff | Aug 2 2025 12:49 utc | 187

NS’s analysis of NATO build-up along multiple vectors makes solid sense, imho.
WG’s view that the whole Medvedev kerfuffle could be a massive mind-fuck, just to own the libtards or something, is also worth considering. Then again, life in the US of A is a massive mind-fuck already, and has been for years. It gets difficult to parse signal from noise. That’s the very purpose of the noise.
My brain hurts. Way too much derangement, delusion, and drumpf. Every single freaking day, another spectacular theatrical production to own the libtards. That’s the very purpose of DJT, and his army of flying monkeys.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Aug 2 2025 14:25 utc | 191

Can trump order a nuclear hit on Russia without Congress approval when no war is yet declared?
Posted by: Richard L | Aug 2 2025 14:10 utc | 189
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Yes.
He can order it.
The question is, will people follow such an order?
Let’s not forget, this is the man who makes fantastical claims and threats daily.
Apparently “to warn” Russia of the Deep State’s real intent… 🙄

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2025 14:41 utc | 192

i hope the brits are ready for what is eventually coming home to roost:

🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Russian Unmanned Boats Now a Major Threat to Ukrainian Ports — Says Ukrainian Military Expert
Ukrainian military communications specialist Sergey Beskrestnov (“Flash”) has warned that Russian unmanned surface vessels pose a serious threat to all of Ukraine’s maritime infrastructure.
According to him, Russia’s Ministry of Defense has recently created a special unit within the elite “Rubikon” Center for the development and deployment of unmanned boats. Its task: large-scale strikes on Ukrainian ports, rigs, and naval assets.

“If you know what Rubikon is, you understand it’s serious,” Beskrestnov wrote. “That center could hit every Ukrainian port and ship in one day with 400 surface and underwater drones — just like the Geran strikes. Are we ready for that?”

after all, it was the brits who came up with these kamikaze boats. oh sorry, i meant “ukraine”.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 2 2025 15:00 utc | 193

🌐🇺🇸🇷🇺🇺🇦US Representative to NATO Matt Whitaker:
Trump will impose devastating tariffs and sanctions against Russia on August 8.
Russia will have no friends left. It will have no trading partners. And its ability to finance this war will end.

so after the “sanctions from hell”(c)(tm), how will they call these?

Posted by: Justpassinby | Aug 2 2025 15:02 utc | 194

Tempers continue to fray:

Video of a violent clash in Kiev between residents and police and the TCC: the people helped a guy escape the Zelensky’s democratic mobilization

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/08/02/1562580.html
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Clashes between police and women protesting against mobilization in western Ukraine
While the Kyiv authorities, despite the widespread retreat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the front and heavy losses, stubbornly want to continue military operations to a victorious end, throwing more and more forces into this meat grinder, ordinary residents of Ukraine are increasingly showing their dissatisfaction with the forced mobilization in the country.
A major unrest, as local publics report, broke out on this basis yesterday evening in the city of Vinnytsia. There, at the city stadium “Lokomotiv”, employees of the TCC (military registration and enlistment office) brought up to a hundred men, whom they apparently decided to check for suitability for mobilization into the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
However, concerned Ukrainian women, who were against forced mobilization, soon began to gather in the stadium area. They decided to break into the stadium, probably to “free” the men. They even managed to break down the gates, after which police squads were called to the scene, with whom clashes took place.
It is reported that law enforcement officers used gas canisters against women, grabbed them and put them in service cars. What these hundred almost mobilized men were doing at that time is not specified.
Let us recall that since the beginning of the conflict in February 2022, Ukraine has been under general mobilization, which was significantly tightened in May 2024. Since then, ordinary Ukrainians have been rounded up in various places, forced into minibuses and sent to military registration and enlistment offices.

https://en.topwar.ru/269063-zhenschiny-zastupilis-za-muzhchin-na-zapade-ukrainy-proshli-stolknovenija-policii-i-protestujuschih-protiv-mobilizacii.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 2 2025 15:21 utc | 195

article from yalensis at awful avalanche –
How The Russians Took Chasov Yar – Part I

Posted by: james | Aug 2 2025 15:25 utc | 196

@ LoveDonbass
We know that DeepState is slow as an octopus or a constrictor snake, patient and very deadly. It looks like the plan to set Europe as a military arm of the US is on its way to succeed as Hungary’s head of state recently said of the EU coming budget.
The current situation is that DeepStatw is on the offensive and a few states such as Yemen, North-Korea and Russia are standing up but they grossly still are on the defensive. They didn’t yet confront DeepState directly.

Posted by: Richard L | Aug 2 2025 15:30 utc | 197

Apparently “to warn” Russia of the Deep State’s real intent… 🙄
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Aug 2 2025 14:41 utc | 192

Donald J Trump . @realDonaldTrump Jan 4
… targeted 52 Iranian sites (representing 52 American hostages taken by Iran many years ago), some at a very high level & important to Iran & Iranian culture, and those targets, and I ran itself, WILL BE HIT VERY FAST AND VERY HARD.The USA wants no more threats!

Eat it.

Posted by: Laurence | Aug 2 2025 16:37 utc | 198

Aleph_Null @191: “…the whole Medvedev kerfuffle could be a massive mind-fuck, just to own the libtards or something…”
I wouldn’t say it is something done to “own” (make fools of) them. Rather it is to undermine their plans without looking too much like he is being “unpatriotic” and giving the presstitution industry the ammunition to say he is sabotaging America and working for the Russians.
In fact, this working at cross purposes with the Establishment while not appearing to work at cross purposes with American interests is the underlying reason for what appears to be erratic behavior from Trump. He has to kick the Establishment in the kneecap while making it look accidental or, better yet, their fault. Where Putin is a judo black belt, which extends to a degree to his political and diplomatic style, Trump is practicing something more akin to the martial art form “Drunken Fist” (Zui Quan).

Posted by: William Gruff | Aug 2 2025 17:07 utc | 199

Commentary from the Ukrainian side on the disturbances in Vinnytsia:

Protest against [TCC] in Vinnytsia is a verdict to the authorities
Last night, dozens of residents of Vinnytsia gathered under the Lokomotiv stadium.
People demanded the release of the men they said were being held inside – without any explanation, without communication, without legal grounds.
This was not just a protest against the [TCC]. People came for various reasons: someone already has a son, brother or husband at the front, and they see that the mobilization has turned into an uncontrolled hunt.
Someone’s family member was taken away by force-and now he’s not even in touch. And people came to help. Because, I’m sorry, it’s already over.
We have lived to the point where shouts of “pod*r*sy” are heard not in the address of Russians, but in the direction of the [TCC] and the police. The police, who yesterday used tear gas against ordinary citizens.
And all this is happening today-in 2025. In a country that’s been at war for four years. And in which the president still repeats that there is no forced [“bussing”].
This is a failure. The failure of power. The failure of a system that is supposed to build trust, and instead sows fear, chaos, and hatred.
This is the result of a policy in which there is no respect for those who are already fighting. Which still has no service life. No rotations. There is no decent security. And most importantly-there is no responsibility for this.
But there is one thing that still remains – the voice of the people. And they are no longer silent, Mr. Zelensky.
Oleksiy Honcharenko
Member of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine of the VIII and IX convocations

https://regionews.ua/ukr/blog/aleksey-goncharenko/1754142322-te-shcho-stalosya-u-vinnitsi—tse-virok-vladi (via translation add-on.)

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Aug 2 2025 18:46 utc | 200