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July 30, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-171
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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The next massacre by neo-Nazi forces after Maidan Square was the Trades Union building in Odessa after visits by Nuland and NATO commander to Kyiv. Large protests in the city opposing the coup d’état needed to be beaten down by the Right Sektor hooligans. @ Oui | Jul 30 2025 14:43 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 14:55 utc | 2 If the powers that be could fight Russia with words, they would be in Kamchatka by now. Too bad that’s all they have. Words and increasingly worthless dollars. You can’t print soldiers, you cannot buy unity or morale, and you cannot produce enough materiel with the profit motive being sacrosanct. Its a shitshow all the way down, led by delusional chucklefucks with fancy titles who simply refuse to accept defeat as they increasingly flirt with world war 3 to save the US dollar. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 15:26 utc | 3 News on the earthquake and tidal waves Posted by: ld | Jul 30 2025 15:56 utc | 4 Let’s see! Posted by: jpc | Jul 30 2025 16:14 utc | 5 He’s a real Tariff Man, Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 30 2025 16:20 utc | 6 apologies Posted by: ld | Jul 30 2025 16:23 utc | 7 Posted by: Oui | Jul 30 2025 14:43 utc | 1 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 30 2025 17:11 utc | 8 Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 30 2025 16:20 utc | 6 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 30 2025 17:12 utc | 9 The bubble of people foolish enough to believe Western politicians..of whatever supposed political allegiance..is getting smaller by the day. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2025 17:14 utc | 10 Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 30 2025 16:20 utc | 6 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 30 2025 17:15 utc | 11 In my lifetime … Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2025 17:14 utc | 10 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 30 2025 17:27 utc | 13 Looking at several threads, it seems that the purveyors of “concern” have returned their attention to Russian casualty figures, presumably this is because the previous target of their “concern”, the rate of Russian progress, has run into difficulties as multiple reports keep emerging of stretched/crumbling Ukrainian defensive positions. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 17:47 utc | 14 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2025 17:14 utc | 10 Posted by: rk | Jul 30 2025 17:48 utc | 15 It’s been apparent for two or three years now that our defeat in Ukraine would by no means lead to the end of the wider conflict. Both the European and American components will move on to more destabilisation along the entire perimeter of the RF. I thought that the disturbances in Kazakhstan just before the SMO were part of that:- Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 30 2025 17:49 utc | 16 CrossTalk: Trump’s Escalation Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 30 2025 17:49 utc | 17 Could be noisy again tonight:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1753897503-ukrayinu-atakuyut-vorozhi-droni-zvidki-letyat (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 18:11 utc | 18 @17 Posted by: paddy | Jul 30 2025 18:37 utc | 19 .Can the angels find five upright me? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 19:02 utc | 21 [R]eports intensify on Russia taking the region and, at some point, the city of Pokrovsk in eastern Ukraine. When that happens, key supply routes will be cut off to the Ukrainian army which will allow Russian forces to advance quickly to take neighbouring regions. The goons in the Pentagon have obviously told Trump this which is why he hasn’t got 50 days before NATO will possibly suffer its greatest humiliation to date which could spark a crisis of confidence among many of its members. Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 30 2025 19:23 utc | 22
Indeed! Texas had a complicated history, but a good heart. The tragic end of Texas is a reminder that nothing is ever certain when one chooses to become a stranger in a strange land. It is a recurring story. Back in 1993, Amy Biehl, an American graduate of Stanford University and an anti-Apartheid activist in South Africa was brutally murdered by the very people she came to help. Posted by: Drifter | Jul 30 2025 19:25 utc | 23 🇺🇸🏴☠️🇺🇦🇪🇺👉🇷🇺 A couple of Republican senators have drafted a bill that will define the mechanism for continuing U.S. military aid to Ukraine. Posted by: Jo | Jul 30 2025 19:30 utc | 24
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 30 2025 19:23 utc | 22 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 19:35 utc | 25 @ English Outsider | Jul 30 2025 17:49 utc | 16 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 19:43 utc | 26 Just, for your consideration: Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 30 2025 19:47 utc | 27 Forgot the key link! 50 minutes here:- Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 30 2025 19:59 utc | 28 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2025 17:14 utc | 10 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 30 2025 20:00 utc | 29 Re: “bouquet” of Geraniums launched earlier, some sources are reporting at least some are the jet-powered Geran-3 version, with a much higher speed and longer range. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 20:04 utc | 30 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 19:43 utc | 26 Posted by: Patroklos | Jul 30 2025 20:05 utc | 31 @ Patroklos | Jul 30 2025 20:05 utc | 31 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 20:20 utc | 32 Jams O’D @ 22: “… he [President Trump] hasn’t got 50 days before NATO will possibly suffer its greatest humiliation to date which could spark a crisis of confidence among many of its members.” Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jul 30 2025 20:22 utc | 33
https://politnavigator.news/zapad-muchitelno-dumaet-kak-bystro-ustranit-zelenskogo-bez-obrusheniya-fronta-i-grazhdanskogo-khaosa.html (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 20:25 utc | 34 Laurence | Jul 30 2025 19:02 utc | 21 Posted by: paddy | Jul 30 2025 20:25 utc | 35 “Anti-Russia Sanctions Ultimatum Will Blow Up in US’ Face: Jeffrey Sachs Explains Why.” Posted by: Naive | Jul 30 2025 20:41 utc | 36 Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 30 2025 16:20 utc | 6 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 30 2025 20:41 utc | 37 What’s happened to Military Summary channel? Are the English and Russian presenters on their holidays? Posted by: Pete Jones | Jul 30 2025 20:44 utc | 38 “Putin wants a settlement not an endless conflict.” Posted by: Naive | Jul 30 2025 20:45 utc | 39 Posted by: Pete Jones | Jul 30 2025 20:44 utc | 38 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 30 2025 20:47 utc | 40 “Russia’s Futuristic Firepower: Watch New Combat Laser Melt Through Steel Armor in Stunning Demo.” Posted by: Naive | Jul 30 2025 20:48 utc | 41 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 30 2025 20:49 utc | 42 Posted by: paddy | Jul 30 2025 20:25 utc | 35
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205%3A31-6%3A13&version=KJV Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 21:04 utc | 43 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 15:26 utc | 3 Posted by: Milites | Jul 30 2025 21:17 utc | 44 Booom!
… ev’ry one here ‘cept maybe the Z-team/ Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 21:23 utc | 45 Syrsky not exactly covering himself with glory:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 21:30 utc | 46
It is hardly unfair to look at the Patriot and Western missile technology in general, alongside many other specific areas, and see Western inferiority. The dwindling number of niches the West can claim parity or so rarely superiority.. Starlink for example.. will only get more scarce. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 21:33 utc | 47 Also, the linked article, while interesting, fails to diagnose the failures entirely accurately in my view, or at least only in part. The primary error is not strategy, as making Europe help prop up the dollar through energy and arms sales is at least part of the aim here…although NATO and especially the US is a peacock farm of mediocrities.. but rather one of a society so oriented towards profiteering that it can only assemble 12 missiles per year. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 21:48 utc | 48 Posted by: Pete Jones | Jul 30 2025 20:44 utc | 38 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 30 2025 21:59 utc | 49 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 21:48 utc | 48 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 22:05 utc | 50 @ Milites | Jul 30 2025 21:17 utc | 44 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 30 2025 22:10 utc | 51 If you’re out of bullets and not feeling too good, you may try to bluff your way out of a conflict. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 22:11 utc | 52 I would suggest the collective MoA hive mind refrain from what appears to be a premature celebration. Posted by: Markw | Jul 30 2025 22:40 utc | 53 Jams O’Donnell@8 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 30 2025 22:41 utc | 54 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2025 18:34 utc | 207 (yesterday’s Zalushny thread) Posted by: Bozo Baggins | Jul 30 2025 22:48 utc | 56 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 21:48 utc | 48 Posted by: Milites | Jul 30 2025 22:58 utc | 57 As B and others have noted, Europe’s final denouement was accepting their position in the global order by transitioning from vassal to the 51st state. Posted by: Markw | Jul 30 2025 22:59 utc | 58 Markw | Jul 30 2025 22:59 utc | 58 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 30 2025 23:12 utc | 59 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 30 2025 22:10 utc | 51 Posted by: Milites | Jul 30 2025 23:49 utc | 60 I agree 100% with the last line in LoveDonbass’ comment at #50 Posted by: ScreamingMonk | Jul 31 2025 0:43 utc | 62 Posted by: br152 | Jul 31 2025 0:18 utc | 61 Posted by: Milites | Jul 31 2025 0:46 utc | 63 Sufficient unto the are the headlines. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 0:52 utc | 64 Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 30 2025 16:20 utc | 6 Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 0:57 utc | 65 To beat the swamp, be like the swamp, but never be the swamp. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 1:03 utc | 66 Every. Every news outlet has klaxoned that the massive earthquake was *RUSSIAN* in origin. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 31 2025 1:04 utc | 67 Key traits of Narcissistic Personality Disorder include: Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 1:09 utc | 68 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 22:05 utc | 50 Posted by: snake | Jul 31 2025 2:18 utc | 69 Posted by: snake | Jul 31 2025 2:18 utc | 69 Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 2:24 utc | 70 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 30 2025 22:10 utc | 51 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 4:06 utc | 71 NATO doesn’t want to push Russia back – that’s Ukraine’s wish. Posted by: Owl Xerxes | Jul 31 2025 4:07 utc | 72 Posted by: Markw | Jul 30 2025 22:40 utc | 53 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 4:18 utc | 73 Posted by: Owl Xerxes | Jul 31 2025 4:07 utc | 72 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 4:48 utc | 74 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 1:03 utc | 66 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 4:49 utc | 75 Why would Hamas lie to us, right? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 4:59 utc | 76 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 4:49 utc | 75 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 5:02 utc | 77 Cerebral palsy is caused by abnormal development or damage to the parts of the brain that control movement, balance, and posture.[1][4] Most often, the problems occur during pregnancy, but may occur during childbirth or shortly afterwards.[1] — Wikipedia Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:17 utc | 78 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 4:59 utc | 76 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 5:17 utc | 79 Methylmercury is formed from inorganic mercury by the action of microbes that live in aquatic systems including lakes, rivers, wetlands, sediments, soils and the open ocean.[5] This methylmercury production has been primarily attributed to anaerobic bacteria in the sediment.[6] — Wikipedia Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:21 utc | 80 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:21 utc | 80 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 31 2025 5:24 utc | 81 There is irony in the dumbest and most deluded pedophiles (MAGA) in the world trying to gaslight others with hasbara. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 5:26 utc | 82 As a result of the offensive actions of the “Southern” group of troops in the Kramatorsk-Druzhkovka direction, the city of Chasov Yar of the Donetsk People’s Republic was liberated. Posted by: guest | Jul 31 2025 5:31 utc | 83 …well known Zionist collaborators, the New York Times”.
Lol. See my remark above. The Z team is pissed. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:34 utc | 84 “Risk factors include preterm birth, being a twin, certain infections or exposure to methylmercury during pregnancy, a difficult delivery, and head trauma during the first few years of life.[1]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerebral_palsy
Why don’t you just eat it, Nazi. You’ve outed yourself. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:41 utc | 85 “Four different stories involving Iran in some nefarious affairs were published last week. They have all one thing in common. There is actually no proof that Iran was or is involved in any of these. On Tuesday the Financial Times ran a st https://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/01/its-blame-iran-week.html Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 5:51 utc | 86 @ milites Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 6:04 utc | 87 Better let b know that English Outsider posted. Wouldn’t want to miss reposting such sage insight. Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 31 2025 6:24 utc | 88 @ Patroklos | Jul 30 2025 20:05 utc | 31 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 7:05 utc | 89 Found and food for thought. Posted by: Beobachter II | Jul 31 2025 7:55 utc | 90 “Russian forces have captured the city of Chasiv Yar, Kostyantynivka direction, Donetsk Oblast.The battle lasted for 483 days, making it the third longest battle of the war, after Marinka (616 days), and Pervomaiske (545 days)” Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 31 2025 8:00 utc | 91 Paranaense | 9 Posted by: SOS | Jul 31 2025 8:04 utc | 93 We are again basically in the same situation as it was in 2001. US & its western vassals are again with “You are either with me or against me”. Another so called “deal” was signed today with South Korea. Another completely one sided deal from the Asian vassals (as if it was any surprise anymore). I’m expecting the same outcome from Canada soon. Posted by: JamesBond | Jul 31 2025 8:24 utc | 94
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 31 2025 8:28 utc | 95 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 31 2025 8:00 utc | 91 Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 8:28 utc | 96 Medvedev’s reply to DJT. Sure looks like a flame-war:
Everyone knows the “Dead Hand” (aka “Perimeter”) reference Medvedev hurls (with an emoji!), in case you didn’t know. From wiki:
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 31 2025 8:31 utc | 97 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 31 2025 8:28 utc | 95 Posted by: George | Jul 31 2025 8:33 utc | 98 Dima is on vacation. Posted by: vargas | Jul 31 2025 8:55 utc | 99 Beobachter II | 90 Posted by: SOS | Jul 31 2025 9:00 utc | 100 |
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