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July 27, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-168
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Not an argument to be seen from the Zio acolytes. Like a juvenile elementary school gang: full shit and bluster signifying the same.
Where they’re coming from. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 5:01 utc | 102 According to OSINT, Starokostyantinov air base received a rather generous package overnight: 6-8 Kh-101, 3 Kinzhals and 12+ Genran-2 drones. Posted by: boneless | Jul 28 2025 5:42 utc | 103 It never ceases to amaze me how great blogs like this always seem to attract a few who have a deep hatred of humanity. Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 28 2025 5:52 utc | 104 Barrel Posted by: Watcher | Jul 28 2025 6:16 utc | 105 @Barrel Brown | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 04:09:00 GMT | 96
Donetsk will probably take precedence. Kharkov is mostly a feint or a way to spread Ukrainian forces further. Donetsk is already a part of Russia, and has been fighting since 2014. Its liberation will be a major Russian triumph, and I suspect the point when the West cuts off Ukraine permanently and force it into a ceasefire/peace deal. Although they might hold out until Zaporizhzhia falls. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 6:40 utc | 106 @Paranaense:= see.. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 6:52 utc | 107 … And I followed that immediately at #13 with a link to a Craig Murray article that explained the Bethlehem/Blair connection.
Which you have misrepresented: “On the right to pre-emptive self-defense,” Then you claimed you gave it no title at all which you just did. And “a link to an article”:
I can assure you, Bethlehem’s opinions are totally irrelevant to Russia’s view. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 6:53 utc | 108 @Steve from Oz Posted by: Featherless | Jul 28 2025 6:54 utc | 109 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35 Posted by: jopalolive | Jul 28 2025 7:01 utc | 110 In short, Steve from oz [ Jul 28 2025 5:52 utc ] 104, Soleimani was NOT a nonstate actor, and Neither were the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 7:01 utc | 111 Yeah, some people seem to be around just to poison the atmosphere. It’s a mistake to engage them.
Lol. See my remark above. The Z team is pissed. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 7:11 utc | 112 “It’s a mistake to engage them.” Posted by: ThouShalt | Jul 28 2025 7:16 utc | 113 Have to engage them, instead of just letting them have the run of the place and making everyone else look weak and slack-jawed for letting them get away scot-free with their bs without any challenges. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 7:29 utc | 114 “Have at it.” Posted by: ThouShalt | Jul 28 2025 7:46 utc | 115 Laurence @108, says Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 28 2025 7:51 utc | 116 Sun of Alabama@42 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 28 2025 7:57 utc | 117 Posted by: Watcher | Jul 28 2025 6:16 utc | 105 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 8:00 utc | 118 Sometimes it may be difficult to see if a certain poster is a troll but other times, like today, it is glaringly obvious. I wish everybody would stop feeding it. Please? Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 28 2025 8:06 utc | 119 Gavin Longmuir@32 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 28 2025 8:13 utc | 120 Posted by: ThouShalt | Jul 28 2025 7:46 utc | 115 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 8:13 utc | 121 Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 28 2025 8:06 utc | 119
What Is It? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 8:18 utc | 122 Its liberation will be a major Russian triumph, and I suspect the point when the West cuts off Ukraine permanently and force it into a ceasefire/peace deal. Although they might hold out until Zaporizhzhia falls. Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2025 8:30 utc | 123 Currently it is the foundation of Israel’s genocidal `preemptive self defense’ in Gaza. What it was contrived for. Zio fanbois are outing themselves one after the other because it is indefensible. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 8:37 utc | 124
What need of a “Bethlehem Doctrine” then? ZioNazi fanbois need an excuse to murder anyone any where at will — as they are doing in Gaza right now. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 8:53 utc | 125 Barrel Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 8:55 utc | 126 Footnote
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 9:03 utc | 127 Re: Starokostyantinov air base Posted by: Drifter | Jul 28 2025 9:52 utc | 128 Apologies Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 10:10 utc | 129 Can posters who insist on dragging the rattenkrieg of the Gaza thread, into this one, politely sod off. Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 10:37 utc | 130 Milites @56: “Whereas the ‘West is doomed, whilst China is ascendant, line and similar propaganda is officially being pushed by whom? I wonder.” Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 10:42 utc | 131 @Barrel Brown | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 08:00:00 GMT | 118
I don’t know if Odessa is part of the end game or not. Russia hasn’t made much of an effort toward the city. Only at the beginning of the war, but very half-hearted like Kiev. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 10:55 utc | 132 Breakthrough in the DPR: the “brave” liberated the settlements of Boykovka and Belgianka Posted by: guest | Jul 28 2025 11:08 utc | 133 After Pokrovsk, which is the next town that the UKies will claim is “strategically unimportant”? Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 28 2025 11:28 utc | 134 @ James M., §132: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 28 2025 11:39 utc | 135 Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 10:55 utc | 132 Posted by: Mario | Jul 28 2025 11:58 utc | 136 Trump saying the 50 day deadline is being reduced. This will be funny. Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 28 2025 12:13 utc | 137 Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 28 2025 12:13 utc | 137 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 28 2025 12:36 utc | 138 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 8:55 utc | 126 Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 28 2025 12:49 utc | 139 Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 10:55 utc | 132 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 12:51 utc | 140 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 0:11 utc | 53 Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 28 2025 12:58 utc | 141 Machine translation Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 28 2025 13:07 utc | 142 As expected… Posted by: Beobachter II | Jul 28 2025 13:30 utc | 143 Posted by: rk | Jul 28 2025 8:30 utc | 123 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 14:02 utc | 144 @Beobachter II | Jul 28 2025 13:30 utc | 143 Posted by: NoName | Jul 28 2025 14:04 utc | 145 Trump is the perfect representation of the collective waste. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 28 2025 14:12 utc | 146 Trump can be as frustrated as he likes but he can effectively only lash out at EU and UK – so he will. Posted by: SOS | Jul 28 2025 14:20 utc | 147 Trump has truncated his 50-day deadline because Russia is making accelerating progress across the entire LoC. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 14:21 utc | 148 Trump truly is all over the map with his decrees. Posted by: jared | Jul 28 2025 14:27 utc | 149 If half the comments are going to be Cyrillic, I’m not going to be spending much time here. I think it’s rude not to offer a translation on an English website. Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jul 28 2025 14:30 utc | 150 Всем доброго времени, господин Melaleuca (107) Я настоящий если у Вас сомнения это Ваше право ,Savonarole (139) Вы все четко описали, в Мариуполе Билецкий штурмовал , в Харьков приезжал пидор Линдси Грем с Порошенко они там выступали перед воееными (пидор сектор, азов)у меня в городе пока тихо, всем добра! Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 14:44 utc | 151 Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 28 2025 13:07 utc | 142 Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2025 14:51 utc | 152 That said, if you happen to know of any Chinese “NGOs” like NED or USAID shelling out cash for people to be online shills for their “side” like we see here in MoA comments representing the Imperial Establishment’s narratives, I’d appreciate the tip. Posted by: Mark O | Jul 28 2025 15:51 utc | 153 Well, Trump got pretty much all he wanted. Posted by: Viking Teo | Jul 28 2025 16:17 utc | 154 Posted by: Mark O | Jul 28 2025 15:51 utc | 153 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 16:38 utc | 155 @Drifter | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 09:52:00 GMT | 128
Minor point: the A400M cargo hold is 17.7m long, so it will fit just one truck with Patriot installations. Posted by: persiflo | Jul 28 2025 16:48 utc | 156 Posted by: Viking Teo | Jul 28 2025 16:17 utc | 154 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 16:55 utc | 157 @Milites | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 16:55:00 GMT | 157 Posted by: persiflo | Jul 28 2025 17:07 utc | 158 Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 14:44 utc | 151 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 28 2025 17:10 utc | 159 Posted by: persiflo | Jul 28 2025 17:07 utc | 158 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 17:32 utc | 160 Milites @155: Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 17:42 utc | 161 Many Chinese students who seek their degree in the west do so because they did not make the cut in China. Posted by: ld | Jul 28 2025 18:14 utc | 162 The Chinese whose kids go to the West are often treated with contempt when they go back to China. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2025 20:43 utc | 163 Re: above #12 no marat for 27th, but 28th yes Posted by: Newbie | Jul 28 2025 23:43 utc | 165 @Barrel Brown | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 12:51:00 GMT | 140
The loss of Odessa is not a consequence for NATO/Ukraine, that I’m talking about, but actually Russia. Turning Ukraine into a landlocked country creates a failed state on Russia’s border, in perpetuity. I think it’s a situation Russia wants to avoid. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 1:30 utc | 166 SE: Andrey Telizhenko – Former Adviser to Ukraine’s Prosecutor-General Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 29 2025 2:50 utc | 167 @James M. | Jul 29 2025 1:30 utc | 166 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 29 2025 2:51 utc | 168 If half the comments are going to be Cyrillic, I’m not going to be spending much time here. I think it’s rude not to offer a translation on an English website. Posted by: General Factotum | Jul 29 2025 3:00 utc | 169 Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jul 29 2025 2:51 utc | 168 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 29 2025 4:18 utc | 170 Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 1:30 utc | 166 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 29 2025 4:41 utc | 172 Re: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2
At the pace of the last 12 months the Russians will be approaching Dnepropetrovsk in around 2050 – give or take. Posted by: Julian | Jul 29 2025 8:55 utc | 173 @petergrfstrm | Tue, 29 Jul 2025 02:51:00 GMT | 168
It would cause Ukraine a lot of economic hardship, especially after the war. They are an export-based economy, they would have to switch to an import-based one. It will be difficult for them to adjust, and likely they will be completely dependent on external support for the foreseeable future. Either the EU or Russia will have to pump money into Ukraine to prevent total collapse. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:00 utc | 174 @Barrel Brown | Tue, 29 Jul 2025 04:41:00 GMT | 172
There are 44 landlocked states. Outside of Switzerland, which never had access to a sea, hasn’t been in a war in over two hundred years, and insulated from most economic and social pressure over that tine, and the states of the former Austria-Hungarian empire, (mentioned in my previous post), which were helped immeasurably by aid from their respective sides during the Cold War, and European integration afterwards, very few of the others are bustling hubs of industry. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:29 utc | 175 @petergrfstrm | Tue, 29 Jul 2025 02:51:00 GMT | 168
Which is why they won’t take Odessa. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:32 utc | 176 The French defense industry has been subjected to a serious cyberattack, the main target of which was the Naval Group, France’s leading shipbuilding company. The attack also indirectly affected the THALES, Dassault and Safran systems, which are leading in the world’s navigation. According to initial reports, more than 13 GB of internal data has already been released to the public. The total amount of data exceeds 1 TB. The leaked files reportedly include: Posted by: Realenti | Jul 29 2025 9:59 utc | 177 It would cause Ukraine a lot of economic hardship, especially after the war. They are an export-based economy, they would have to switch to an import-based one. It will be difficult for them to adjust, and likely they will be completely dependent on external support for the foreseeable future. Either the EU or Russia will have to pump money into Ukraine to prevent total collapse. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 29 2025 10:45 utc | 178 Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:29 utc | 175 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 29 2025 13:23 utc | 179 Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:00 utc | 174
Ethiopia (Eritrea) in 1991/1993. Posted by: dustbunny | Jul 29 2025 13:58 utc | 180 Apologies for quoting myself:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35
So, at least one faction in the West is placing their bets. One slight technicality though, he’s never been elected as a Verkhovna Rada deputy, so it remains to be seen what contrivance is devised to place him in position. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 29 2025 16:06 utc | 181
sounds about right with the media swooning over that nazi. heres the russian intelligence:
how very democratic. wonder if they asked the “ukrainians” if they want this new puppet installed. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 29 2025 16:22 utc | 182 The General w/o Lipstick
Rump state of West-Ukraine … of course 😊 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 28 2025 23:43 utc | 165 Posted by: Milites | Jul 29 2025 16:33 utc | 184 Thinking about this rationally and seriously, it doesn’t matter who is leading Ukraine. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 29 2025 16:57 utc | 185 When you see a picture of Zalyzhny in Vogue, ask yourself, “Who is the audience for that marketing?” Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 29 2025 16:59 utc | 186
IDK the rules in Ukraine but in most countries, I think, it’s not uncommon that political leaders don’t have to be elected members of the national assembly (parliament). The assembly has to elect them, of course, but not necessarily from their own ranks. Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 29 2025 17:57 utc | 187 James M. | Jul 29 2025 9:29 utc | 175 …. Posted by: Cynic | Jul 29 2025 18:03 utc | 188 @187 Posted by: paddy | Jul 29 2025 18:04 utc | 189 LoveDonbass | Jul 29 2025 16:57 utc | 185 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 29 2025 18:31 utc | 190
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 29 2025 16:22 utc | 182
Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 29 2025 17:57 utc | 187 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 29 2025 19:36 utc | 191 YetAnotherAnon | Jul 29 2025 18:31 utc | 190 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 29 2025 19:38 utc | 192 ‘It’s Not For You Or Trump To Dictate’ Russia-Ukraine Negotiation Terms – Medvedev To Graham Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 29 2025 20:24 utc | 193
… that headline.
Goin’ to the brink. … Posted by: Laurence | Jul 29 2025 22:26 utc | 194 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 29 2025 22:29 utc | 195 Yesterday Trump Envisions Rare Earth Trade With Russia https://sputnikglobe.com/20250728/trump-envisions-rare-earth-trade-with-russia-1122506012.html Posted by: Laurence | Jul 29 2025 22:48 utc | 196 Canada Reaffirms Support For Ukraine Amid New Russian Attacks Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 29 2025 23:23 utc | 197 We must be fair – I can’t speak for Merz and Macron but I’m pretty sure Starmer doesn’t carry a torch for the Third Reich. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 29 2025 23:29 utc | 198 @Barrel Brown | Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:23:00 GMT | 179
I’m not “insistent” on them keeping Odessa, I just think it’s more complicated then simply sending in Russian troops, and viola Odessa is Russian. It’s quite possibly the hill Ukraine and NATO will die on. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 23:41 utc | 199 @dustbunny | Tue, 29 Jul 2025 13:58:00 GMT | 180
And how’d it work out for those countries? Ethiopia fought a thirty year war with Eritrea, and still has a nominal rivalry with it. Serbia is isolated and under external and internal pressures. Posted by: James M. | Jul 29 2025 23:48 utc | 200 |
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