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July 27, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-168

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 25th July 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-279

Posted by: The Busker | Jul 27 2025 13:21 utc | 1

After Pokrovsk, which is the next town that the UKies will claim is “strategically unimportant”?
Dnepropetrovsk?

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2

Thanks so much Mr Busker, and let me add this latest one from the refreshing new voice, Sebastian Sas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LANicJh42UI

Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 27 2025 14:02 utc | 3

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2
Let’s see Pokrovsk fall first

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 27 2025 14:15 utc | 4

Vladimir Zelenski writes:

I had a good conversation with President of Ghana,

Ghana is ready to finance our production, and we are ready to help our partners secure their borders. (Zelenskii)

So I’m wondering: this money from Ghana to Ukraine – how much is it and where is it?

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 27 2025 14:16 utc | 5

Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 27 2025 14:02 utc | 3
Cheers Avtonom – I’ve been subscribed to Sebastian for about 6 months or more.

Posted by: The Busker | Jul 27 2025 14:21 utc | 6

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2
Let’s see Pokrovsk fall first
Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 27 2025 14:15 utc
Why, have you some reason to think the fall of Pokrovsk is in doubt? If it holds out 3 months it will be a miracle. I doubt it will be more than 3 weeks and would not be surprised if it was 3 days. Still, hope dies last.

Posted by: Wæsfjord | Jul 27 2025 14:47 utc | 7

DD: Col Douglas Macregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wT4eu4SjmGQ
“Putin will finish this war with his army.” As well, discussion of the Trump presidency’s problems, prospects and ‘Versailles on the Potomac’.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 27 2025 15:00 utc | 8

As the SMO draws to its conclusion, I submit some references to its earlier history that might be useful.
Taken from a discussion on Churchill here:-
https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/how-christianity-shaped-every-fibre-of-churchills-being/
Churchill was master of what’s now called information war. Makes today’s practitioners look like amateurs. Many of the myths of that time have become popular history and we see them stated with passionate conviction all over the English blogs. The Battle of Britain one. Another, that Martyanov always deprecates, is that the Russians won WW2 simply by heaping bodies up against the enemy. We see that myth still alive today in the dozens of articles asserting Russian “meat attacks”. Old myths die hard and those two myths have distorted both old history and the history we’re living through at the moment.
Then Patrick Armstrong weighing in on the cause of the SMO. Found that only fairly recently.
There are three differing explanations for why the Russians invaded Ukraine on February 24th 2022. 1, Russian expansionist ambitions, 2, Response to aggressive NATO expansion, 3, Pre-emptive attack.
On (1), it’s difficult to see why the Russians would wish to take over a semi-derelict and broke Europe and then end up feeding and fuelling it into the bargain. We just assume it does.
The fact that I don’t believe there’s a single contributor on “b’s” blog, and certainly not “b” himself, who subscribe to that assumption is neither here nor there. The great mass of Northern Europeans do subscribe to it and it’s because (1) is usually the explanation given for that Russian invasion that we in Europe are going to spend a heap of money we don’t have kitting ourselves out with weapons that are many of them unsuitable in order to counter a threat that doesn’t exist.
So (1), if our politicians have anything to do with it, is the assumption leading to the Cold War II we’ll find ourselves in when the Ukraine conflict is concluded.
(2), that the reason for the SMO was aggressive Russian expansion, is most ably and courageously propounded by Mearsheimer. It give us the background to the SMO. It accounts for the exasperation and alarm felt by the Russians in the run up to February ’22. But it does not explain why on the 24th of that month the Russians rolled their tanks into Ukraine.
(3) does. A pre-emptive attack. The Kiev forces, in great numbers and NATO trained, were poised to cross the LoC. The artillery bombardment was building up to a crescendo. Had the Kiev forces irrupted into the Donbass there were only the numerically inferior LDNR forces to hold them back. They would have been most difficult to drive out once established. And the atrocities seen in the earlier phase of the war would have occurred once again but worse. Better late than never the Russians gave up on Minsk 2, braved the sanctions they knew would come, and moved to pre-empt the threat.
Even in that month I remember the passionate arguments within my own circle of friends and acquaintances on (3). I didn’t argue the case in Germany but I remember my German friends taking it as a given that (3) was wrong-headed and that the SMO was due to Russian expansionism. What seemed obvious to a few of us at the time was heresy to almost all. (1) had to be the reason for the SMO, (2) the reason most who disagreed with that held to, and (3) out of the question.
It’s still more or less like that so Patrick Armstrong’s contemporaneous account of that early stage of the war was quite a find. Armstrong joins Baud and a handful of others who give what I still believe is the true reason for the SMO.
The references given here, in a further comment on the discussion on Churchill:-
……………….
“English Outsider English Outsider 5 minutes ago Hold on, this is waiting to be approved by TCW.
1. The Churchill speech in the HoC referred to is in the last volume of Churchill’s history of the Second World War. (From memory – I lent the set out a decade or so ago and don’t have it to hand. But I’m fairly sure it’s in the last volume.)
2. Dr North’s account of the crucial early period of WWII published here
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Many-Not-Few-Richard-North/dp/1441131515
The Amazon summary:- “Immortalised in Churchill’s often quoted assertion that never before “”was so much owed by so many to so few””, the top-down narrative of the Battle of Britain has been firmly established in British legend. Britain was saved from German invasion by the gallant band of Fighter Command Pilots in their Spitfires and Hurricanes, and the public owed them their freedom.
“Richard North’s radical re-evaluation of the Battle of Britain dismantles this mythical retelling of events. Taking a wider perspective than the much-discussed air war, North takes a fresh look at the conflict as a whole to show that the civilian experience, far from being separate and distinct, was integral to the Battle.
“This recovery of the people’s stolen history demonstrates that Hitler’s aim was not the military conquest of England, and that his unattained target was the hearts and minds of British people.”

3. The Patrick Armstrong quote from here:-
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2023/08/12/an-anniversary-nobody-remembers/
Armstrong may not be widely read in England. He should be. A giant of an analyst, ex-diplomat with intimate knowledge of the Russian scene, and up there in the stratosphere with such as Chas Freeman.
But I would say that, wouldn’t I. I’ve just been trawling through the back numbers of his blog and find he categorises the SMO as a pre-emptive attack. So I felt it to be back in 2022. You were flying solo if you said anything like that back then, still are to an extent, so it’s good to get further confirmation from such an august source:-
“WHAT I GOT WRONG AND WHY”
https://patrickarmstrong.ca/2022/03/18/what-i-got-wrong-and-why/
I used to follow Patrick Armstrong on the blog of the late Colonel Lang. Just after the SMO started Armstrong wrote on the Colonel’s blog that he’d been harassed by Canadian Security so was giving it a rest for a while. I thought that was it for him so was delighted to find he’d kept his own blog up and was still writing.”
………………….
I submit these links here because Armstrong is scrupulous with references, so his blog contains a cornucopia of references that might otherwise be forgotten or difficult to find. I have always believed that if we don’t get the history of those early days of the SMO right the subsequent course of events is easily misinterpreted. We are not facing Russian aggression. We are facing the consequences of our own.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 15:26 utc | 9

The Duran Ep 2291
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbR1x1Vst3I
“Trump stuck in worst of all outcomes. ‘NATO has run up against the problem of capacity. We’re now at a point of exhaustion. It can’t continue continue for much longer.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 27 2025 15:30 utc | 10

So I’m wondering: this money from Ghana to Ukraine – how much is it and where is it?
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 27 2025 14:16 utc | 5
It’s billions of dollars American. It’s in the Ventral Bank of Nigeria. To get it, Zelly need only wire the guy in Ghana five million USD for processing fees. His cousin in Lagos will then immediately transmit the billions to Kiev.

Posted by: Neptune | Jul 27 2025 15:46 utc | 11

English Outsider @ 9
On the right to pre-emptive self-defense, this from the UN —
https://legal.un.org/counsel/Bethlehem%20-%20Self-Defense%20Article.pdf

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 16:54 utc | 12

Interesting view of “the Bethlehem Doctrine” here by Craig Murray.
Shows how nebulous international law can be.
https://ronpaulinstitute.org/lies-the-bethlehem-doctrine-and-the-illegal-murder-of-soleimani/

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 17:42 utc | 13

…I knew there were a large number of US biolabs around the world – indeed the whole world is now aware of the one in Wuhan and I think I …
AI Overview
The phrase “They have taught their tongues to speak lies” is a quote from the Bible, specifically Jeremiah 9:5. It describes a situation where people have become so accustomed to deceit that lying has become second nature to them. They engage in deception with their neighbors and even weary themselves in the pursuit of iniquity.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 17:51 utc | 14

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 17:42 utc | 13

BY NONSTATE ACTORS
By Daniel Bethlehem*

Endum added.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 17:56 utc | 15

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is that states have a right of “pre-emptive self-defence” against “imminent” attack. That is something most people, and most international law experts and judges, would accept. Including me.
What very few people, and almost no international lawyers, accept is the key to the Bethlehem Doctrine – that here “Imminent”

BY NONSTATE ACTORS
By Daniel Bethlehem*
Endum added. There must be fifty way to misread your liars.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16

Night Tripper | Jul 27 2025 14:15 utc | 4
Don’t forget there’s still fighting in Chasov Yar as far as I know. Six miles from Bakhmut.
Also Tyotkino, still in Kursk. So while it is good that Pokrovsk is now on the front line, there’s still a lot of work to do.

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 27 2025 18:16 utc | 17

1. The targets were NOT “NON STATE ACTORS.
2. Trump was compelled to claim responsibility for his CJCS Milley’s ACT OF WAR. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley
Endum.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:17 utc | 18

Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16
You seem to be jumping to conclusions as to my intentions.
I posted the link to show that pre-emptive action is recognised in law.
I also showed how it can be manipulated.

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:30 utc | 19

CJCS Milley: B-b-b you said —
Trump: [shows his `cards’ already in his hand.]
Any guesses what they were?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:31 utc | 20

In regard to the “Bethlehem Doctrine”, Bethlehem stated that pre-emptive self-defence was already recognised under international law before the arrival of the UN Charter, and that Article 51 of the charter did not override or extinguish existing law.
We can assume that Russia formed the view of an imminent attack based on two factors.
In 2021 the Ukraine National Security and Defense Council Decree no. 117/2021, committed Ukraine to take back Crimea.
The decree to retake Crimea was in essence a declaration of war against Russia, because Ukraine had no legal claim on Crimea. Its annexation of Crimea in 1995 was not legal, but was tolerated by Russia who relied on the Friendship Agreement and the State of Forces Agreement to maintain a stable relationship. Ukraine at that time had good relations with Russia, as the far-right groups fostered by the West did not exist at that time.
The second factor was the troop build-up in the Donbass and the sudden increase in shelling of rebel held areas in the third week of February 2022. Russia most likely assumed that this was the beginning of the previously decreed operation to re-take Crimea.

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:36 utc | 21

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:30 utc | 19

I also showed how it can be manipulated.

BY leaving out the full title. You seem to have jumped to a conclusion about mine.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:38 utc | 22

Laurence — “BY leaving out the full title.”
I gave no title at all.
I gave a link to an article.
You read into that whatever you wanted to read.

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:47 utc | 23

@21
You should also include the rapid mobilization of Kievan military formations from the 2014 CIA coup funded by U.S. and vassals. With US’ record of breaking up Yugoslavia from 1993!

Posted by: paddy | Jul 27 2025 18:48 utc | 24

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:47 utc | 23
I gave no title at all.

On the right to pre-emptive self-defense,

Eat it.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:59 utc | 25

English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 15:26 utc | 9–
“We are not facing Russian aggression. We are facing the consequences of our own.”
Precisely. At the Russian government meeting of 24(?) November 2021, comprehensive evidence was presented of genocide being visited on the Russian speaking population of Ukraine, particularly in the Donbass region. It was clear from Putin’s response and words spoken that Russia would no longer tolerate the status quo and do whatever was required to stop the genocide and protect the rights of Russian speakers as the Russian constitution commands. Following as closely as possible internal Russian government discussions and actions from then forward are thus imperative to knowing what was done and why. I followed all of that as closely as I could and reported it at my VK site as well as here at MoA. The Aggressive War was begun by the Outlaw US Empire’s Obama administration in 2014 specifically against Russian speaking Ukrainians with the main goal of capturing Crimea for NATO. That failed, and the war entered into several phases of stalemate despite an internationally approved method to resolve the conflict, which the West abrogated. The escalation by NATO in February 2022 was anticipated by Russia which had taken the legal measures required for it to defend its now allied people. I omitted Russia’s January 2022 proposals because they are only part of the larger picture in the ongoing conflict between the Outlaw US Empire and Russia.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 27 2025 19:09 utc | 26

“Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore!” …

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 19:10 utc | 27

@ Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:59 utc | 25
Please tone down the combative attitude. You’re doing this a little too much.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 27 2025 19:11 utc | 28

I forgot | Jul 27 2025 19:11 utc | 28
Maybe y’all should just forget it, then.
If you do npt know what your enemy is doing
Make sure your wallet is still in your pocket.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 19:22 utc | 29

Another teenage soldier killed by the resistence
https://x.com/WarMonitors/status/1949192841206575257/photo/1

Posted by: Monty | Jul 27 2025 19:25 utc | 30

Even if the West replaces Zelensky the following will keep going:

The underground in Ukraine continues to mercilessly burn the equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
A wave of acts of arson of cars and infrastructure of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is gaining momentum that is increasingly threatening for the Kiev regime.
This is evidenced by periodic video reports on the TG channel of Ukrainian underground fighters “Dozor”, the correspondent of”PolitNavigator” reports.
“We admit that all the time looking at the burning cars of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, although pleasant, is a little tedious. Therefore, now to change the picture, we offer to admire the work of the sentinel on the Ternopil railway, ” the authors of the channel write under one of the videos.
Footage of the destruction of Bandera’s property is published from Ternopil and the region, Zhytomyr and Dnepropetrovsk.
“Remember: if you find yourself in a life situation where you have to choose between evil and even more evil, you need to choose God. With all my heart. With all my heart. It is faith that will help you find the right way out. And the Patrol (D) will facilitate this task, ” such words accompany the video with another burning SUV of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
It should be noted that acts of causing material damage to the Bandera regime and the Armed Forces of Ukraine have long been serial in nature . Underground workers periodically publish footage of burning administrative buildings, cars, railway relay cabinets, etc.

https://politnavigator.news/podpole-na-ukraine-prodolzhaet-besposhhadno-zhech-tekhniku-vsu.html (via translation add-on.)
And despite some sneering and scoffing in the earlier threads from a couple of the bar’s regular sneerers and scoffers (who, incidentally, are mightily reluctant to share their own links), ongoing acts of partisan resistance, whether or not they are “propaganda” are a strong psychological reason why potential replacements for Zelensky are reluctant to step up; they can see what a “shit-show”™ the whole thing is.
The West has got itself into a hole it has no idea how to get out of; mobilising the petit-bourgeois of cardboard Kiev in a pale imitation of Maidan is not going to help.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 19:42 utc | 31

Jeremy R_L @ 31: “Even if the West replaces Zelensky …”
Let’s assume the dastardly English elbow Zelensky out the way. Then what?
If they replace him with an Azov-acceptable hard-liner, there will be no concessions, no cease fire, no peace. The proxy war will continue, with some new people opening Swiss bank accounts.
If they replace him with a realist who is willing to make some concessions to Russia in genuine negotiations to stop the proxy war, there is a good chance the Azov guys will start a civil war in the Ukraine, which will make peace impossible and may even drag Russia further into the war and into Ukrainian territory.
Or they could beg Russia for a cease fire while new elections are held in the Ukraine. But unless the Euros & NATO back off all support for the Ukraine while those elections are being held, it is very unlikely that Russia would agree.
Bottom line — replace Zelensky and the war continues or gets worse. It is such a dumb idea that the English may just pursue it.

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jul 27 2025 21:02 utc | 32

In response to Neptune@11,
Gave me a good chuckle. Cheers.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 27 2025 21:04 utc | 33

Gavin Longmuir @32: “If they replace him with a realist who is willing to make some concessions to Russia in genuine negotiations to stop the proxy war, there is a good chance the Azov guys will start a civil war in the Ukraine, which will make peace impossible and may even drag Russia…”
We’re already there. What you mean is that the Ukrainian civil war will turn into a two front civil war, with three mutually antagonistic sides. Would the “realist” faction in the civil war continue to fight the pro-Russia faction as well as the Nazis? And what would the paymasters in Washington and Brussels have to say about that? I can see the Russians easing up on the “realists” in such a three-way fight, but I doubt they’d call off the war.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 27 2025 21:18 utc | 34

@ Gavin Longmuir | Jul 27 2025 21:02 utc | 32
All good and valid points that are staging posts on a thought journey I’ve undertaken, and arrived at a destination that says the West hasn’t got anyone primed to replace Zelensky.
In past Western regime-change operations a name would repeatedly crop up in the ‘serious’ Western media first, then be picked up and amplified by the ‘popular’ Western MSM, after which everyone would subconsciously cheer on the “plucky underdog standing up to the corrupt/brutal/murderous* regime”.
I’m not seeing this right now, there’s none of the breathless updates every half-hour on the 24/7 news channels, accompanied by endless loop tapes of some Molotov cocktails being thrown and the equally endless trotting out of has-been talking heads interviewing each other.
The West is on the back foot here, and is clueless about what to do next.
*delete according to preferred narrative

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35

Missed yesterday
1.320 is a significant casualties number
https://tass.com/defense/1994593
Advantage, marat is in https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-26th
Today 1.210
Details https://tass.com/defense/1994755
Stopped using DS km2, won’t re-start

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2025 21:23 utc | 36

@ William Gruff | Jul 27 2025 21:18 utc | 34
I think a three-way conflict would quickly splinter into multiple factions all fighting for their share of whatever spoils they perceive to be there for the taking.
“Period three implies chaos”.
I don’t think Russia would tolerate that situation for very long. The West has a long history of creating failed states e.g. Libya, Sudan, Iraq, but none of these have had a powerful economic/military neighbour on their doorstep.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:41 utc | 37

Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16
You seem to be jumping to conclusions as to my intentons
Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:30 utc | 19
That’s OK, it’s how he treats everyone here.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38

“a thought journey I’ve undertaken”
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35
That will be a first… You can actually think ? How many mirrors did you crack in your house?
Going by what you are predicting there doesn’t seem to be much thought going on. A guess time will tell.
Good luck you have a 50% chance of being right.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 21:58 utc | 39

@ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 21:58 utc | 39
Have the pubs shut early where you are? Or have you been kicked out yet again?
Do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to the topic?
By the way, why do you wrap your signature in a URL referral that just comes back to MoA? Very careless.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:12 utc | 40

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
Thanks for that, I’ve not run into him before.
The level of venom over a triviality was amazing.
cheers

Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41

Thai-Cambodian Conflict: Who Benefits from Regional Chaos?
Rand Corporation white paper – Over extending Russia
See Chapter 4
Measure 5.
As the Kissingerarians make their move in the same week by publishing the Russia hoax files and the first steps to getting rid of Zelensky. As they try to move closer to Russia.
What Steve Bannon admitted to the world. To try to make Russia neutral or bring Russia to their side as they want to fully pivot towards Asia and isolate China.
The Thai-Cambodian Conflict kicks off. Only fools would actually believe it’s not connected.
Is it a counter move by the deep state ?
See Chapter 4
Measure 5.
Who don’t like what the Kissingerarians are clearly doing and trying to bring Russia and the US closer ?
Or
Are the kissingerarians pivoting towards China softly anyway?
I haven’t made my mind up yet.
People who say the West are on the back foot clearly don’t know what they are talking about and can’t chew gum and walk at the same time. Small picture thinking by only focusing on Ukraine.
When there is a massive war front out there on the Chess board. Where the West can still be very danger along the entire front line.
Here’s Brian Berletic’s take on it
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3vpN5q2Zkmg
Who lives in that area of the world.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54
Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
______
Am I the only one picking up a distinctly sulfurous Blanchardian odor here?…

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 27 2025 22:28 utc | 43

@ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42
Off-topic; here, have some explosions:

Details of the strike on Odessa
Details of the strike on Odessa
According to data from open sources, one of the targets was the “UKRINSTAL” warehouse, located near the Chernomor logistics center.
The fire satellite analysis service recorded a thermal anomaly in this area, as well as on the territory of the Fish Port.

https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/27/1548013.html
Video clips at the link.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:33 utc | 44

Aaand, there could be more explosions in Taiwan Ukraine tonight. Reports from several channels that six missile-carrying bombers are in the air:
– 2 Tu-95MS from Olenya
– 2 Tu-95MS from Engels
– 2 Tu-160 from Engels
– MiG-31Ks unknown quantity
And some still think that the US can attract Russia away from China… ***BREAKING NEWS*** guys, the US has got nothing to to use as a lever, it’s a busted flush.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:43 utc | 45

@ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42
Well, now you’ve revealed your pro-hegemon Fukuyama-ism.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:55 utc | 46

Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
Further along they’ll
Know all about it
Further along they’ll
Understand why
Or not. In which case it doesn’t matter.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:01 utc | 47

Sorry – foolish slip. Above should read “(2), that the reason for the SMO was aggressive NATO expansion, is most ably and courageously propounded by Mearsheimer.”

Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 23:23 utc | 48

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42
There will be no Kissengeria. Only lose.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:23 utc | 49

@Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42
The Taiwan separatists just got their asses handed to them by the Taiwanese electorate. So that puts paid to Taiwan as a new Ukraine for the next few years. All the time, the US gets weaker and China gets stronger. And Ukraine is bending to Russian power. And Iran saw off the imperialists and the Empire also lost Georgia. The Empire may see the odd success as it goes down, but they are fighting against the trend of time.
So yes Thailand-Cambodia and perhaps Azerbaijan may provide the odd tactical win, but the Empire is losing the war. The Thai monarch and military will once again deal with the traitors to the people. They need to pass the anti-foreign NGO law that they failed to previously pass to shut down the regime change efforts. And reorient toward China. We will get there, but some of it will be a winding path.

Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jul 27 2025 23:46 utc | 50

Good health to all! I once tried to publish here but it didn’t work out very well (before that I wrote under a slightly different name in general I wanted to add that from 01:30 to 04:16 Dnepropetrovsk time they were banging hard on Saturday time, 04:14 I heard a rocket fly by and after a few seconds it landed somewhere and then there were about 3 more explosions but it’s far from me I live near the Karl Liebknecht Palace of Culture, I accidentally came across this site, thanks to the creator B and all the commentators I am interested in reading your opinions, thanks!

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51

Malenkov @ 43, I think the regulars have.
Thanks Rob and Avtonom.
That Germany and UK have signed a separate defense agreement coupled with Orban’s airing his country’s need to look east is sure sign the defeat of NATO is a done deal.
Now what was that quote by Putin again, something about defeating Russia on the battlefield?

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 28 2025 0:11 utc | 52

Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2
It is strategically unimportant now, due to Russian shelling and assault, so no lie, just omitting why it’s been downgraded.
Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 15:26 utc | 9
I remember lots of people querying his claim that the BoB was officially only about the pilots. Revisionist histories are always useful, but their supporters always then think that the new account is the truth. It’s not, it’s a facet of the truth. I’ve been to museums about the battle, well before his book was written, and they go out of the way to illustrate the role other people played, as do the books about the role of the RN.
To me the give away about the agenda is the constant reference to class, in fact the RAF, were often dismissively regarded as ‘motor mechanics in uniforms’ and ‘hardly in the ruling class orbit’. These organisational characteristics were then boosted by the massive influx of sergeant pilots who were trained to make up for the initial battle’s losses, and the foreign and empire volunteers, giving it a distinctly unique social dynamic. Still, a nice bit of class hatred and envy always spices up the sales.
On a side note, I found out that one of my, thoroughly non-elite relatives, was an ARP warden and awarded a medal for gallant service, that was specially designed for people in these supporting positions. So there was official recognition of their role and their gallantry.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 0:11 utc | 53

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @40: “By the way, why do you wrap your signature in a URL referral that just comes back to MoA? Very careless.”
Because his supervisor told him to, and his supervisor told him to do that to make his posts more visible and attract more eyeballs.
In Internet marketing it is all about “impressions” (look it up if to you the term doesn’t seem to apply). Remember how he used to include ASCII art emojis in his posts? It is just to raise visibility.
And yes, that poster is an obvious paid mouthpiece for the imperial Establishment. I’m not suggesting the poster be banned because he will just return under a new persona. Rather, readers should take into consideration where he is coming from when reading his posts. Knowing what the Imperial Establishment wants you to believe can be very useful.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:01 utc | 4
Further along they’ll
Know all about it
Further along they’ll
Understand why
Or not. In which case it doesn’t matter.
And what the hell is that blather about? Do we finally twig to the fact that you are a Chabad/Mossad/MI6 plant?
Your non-consequential comments here, and on the Palestinian related threads are a strong “tell” about your origin, and makes “understanding why” a doddle to work out.
Try harder Laurence my lad.
To Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
To Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
Pls. see my remark above.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54
Whereas the ‘West is doomed, whilst China is ascendant, line and similar propaganda is officially being pushed by whom? I wonder.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 0:45 utc | 56

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:01 utc | 4
Further along they’ll
Know all about it
Further along they’ll
Understand why
Or not. In which case it doesn’t matter.
And what the hell is that blather about? Do we finally twig to the fact that you are a Chabad/Mossad/MI6 plant?
Your non-consequential comments here, and on the Palestinian related threads are a strong “tell” about your origin, and makes “understanding why” a doddle to work out.
Try harder Laurence my lad.
To Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
To Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
Pls. see my remark above.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55

Lol. See my remark above. The Z team is pissed.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 1:03 utc | 57

In past Western regime-change operations a name would repeatedly crop up in the ‘serious’ Western media first, then be picked up and amplified by the ‘popular’ Western MSM, after which everyone would subconsciously cheer on the “plucky underdog standing up to the corrupt/brutal/murderous* regime”.
I’m not seeing this right now, there’s none of the breathless updates every half-hour on the 24/7 news channels, accompanied by endless loop tapes of some Molotov cocktails being thrown and the equally endless trotting out of has-been talking heads interviewing each other.
The West is on the back foot here, and is clueless about what to do next.
*delete according to preferred narrative
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35

That’s because the US/West invested everything into building Zelensky’s sanctified image. Now they are backing off that narrative, true. But to completely reverse their constructed picture of the green goblin as Saint Zelensky and paint him as an evil villain is too much of a reach in too short a time span, even for the West’s propaganda mill and it’s indoctrinated readership. So, yes, they are truly clueless how to play the game going forward.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 28 2025 1:10 utc | 58

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

… Your cuppa tea, Nazi?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 1:14 utc | 59

Off topic, but funny.
Rand Corp had their “Extending Russia”. Brookings had their “Which Path to Persia?”
Now Hudson steps up with their fantasy of how to redo China, including changing the name, after China spontaneously combusts.
Visualize Spontaneous Combustion!
https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/07/25/destroy-russia-fail-no-problem-lets-destroy-china/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 28 2025 1:43 utc | 60

OK everyone
Laurence is just another of a string: Julian, Roger (not you

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 1:50 utc | 61

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 28 2025 1:43 utc | 60
#####
It must be very lucrative to write global strategy white papers.
Continuity of government doesn’t just happen on its own.
It’s not like US politicians have a philosophical or strategic background.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2025 2:11 utc | 62

Little cun.t, what do you know?
Yours will never travel safe. stinking genociders.
Some of us are waiting, and will hurt you. Cunts who kill the children stink so bad.
Tonight I have marked 2 of you.
So ugly, female came later, tattooed, the male ugly like you are.Distorted fucks.
I have located you.
Now wait, cunts.
Never you will move around again freely.
I open the hunt for child killers.
CUNTS
Posted by: stranger | Jul 25 2025 21:31 utc | 216

Peek-a-boo! Nazi..

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:18 utc | 63

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51
Well, as nobody did it yet, I will do it!
Welcome to MoA, Sany!

Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2025 2:19 utc | 64

William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54
…when reading his posts…
🥴 Lol, no.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 2:35 utc | 65

Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51
G,day, m8.
Cheers n beers 🍺
Stay safe.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 2:36 utc | 66

спасибо мистер или пан Naive и Melaleuca! вот была еще у меня история 01.06.25 вьебал по нам мистер искандер , я был в лесу в Черкасском мне не досталось а кто то зажмурился !бухло я люблю)))

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 2:43 utc | 67

я пишу через гугл переводчик, извините

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 2:44 utc | 68

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 1:50 utc | 61

OK everyone
Laurence is

Right behind you, Nazi.
To Paranaense‡ | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
To Steve from oz‡ | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
Pls. see my remark above.
Posted by: Barrel Brown‡ | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55
More, give me more
I can’t keep score
Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

… Your cuppa tea, Nazi?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:46 utc | 69

Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51
We would love your news and views. Can you freely access the internet from your home?

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 2:59 utc | 70

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 2:59 utc | 70

We would love your news and views. Can you freely access the internet from your home?

Who'”We”, Nazi?

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

… Your cuppa tea, Nazi?
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:46 utc | 69

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:07 utc | 71

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 2:44 utc | 68
Я надеюсь, что вы были и останетесь в безопасности!
Вы можете писать по-русски, без проблем.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2025 3:07 utc | 72

Chopping some useless comments would be quite welcome.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2025 3:09 utc | 73

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51
Спасибо и добро пожаловать, Сани. Мне интересно узнать больше о том, что происходит в Днепропетровске. MOA – это виртуальный бар. Выпей за меня.

Posted by: Samu | Jul 28 2025 3:09 utc | 74

Mr. Watcher I am currently wanted as a SZCh, that is, if you have any questions on the fact, I will try to answer here, busification.org

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:11 utc | 75

Вы можете писать по-русски, без проблем.
You can write in Russian, no problem.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:12 utc | 76

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:11 utc | 75
Sorry what is an SZCh. We get very little actual on the ground information from Ukraine.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 3:18 utc | 77

“And what the hell is that blather about? . . .
Try harder Laurence my lad.”
To Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38
To Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41
Pls. see my remark above.
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55
He was hoping you’d ask. The surest way to annoy him is to act as if he’s not there.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:25 utc | 78

сзч по моему в “штате хохланд”))) это я так называю юкрейн ))) самовольно покинувшие военную часть или место службы преследуются по закону статья 407 уголовного кодекса Украины

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:26 utc | 79

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:46 utc | 69
… Your cuppa tea, Nazi?
Laurence my lad, you have gone into meltdown.
My advice, wash your panties and dry them in the radiated heat of a burning Palestinian home-but don’t trip over any child corpses that tend to litter such localities. You could reminisce with Jake Blanchard while you wait.
To repeat the very wise advice from a (now departed), but an immeasurably greater man than you could ever hope to be- Saint Peter AU1-
FUCK OFF TROLL!!

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:29 utc | 80

Sorry what is an SZCh.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 3:18 utc | 77

It means AWOL.

Posted by: Tel | Jul 28 2025 3:31 utc | 81

извините за перевод иногда он косячит задавайте вопросы, с уважением Саня из Днепропетровска , всем как у Вас принято в баре рюмку Всем и всего доброго! с уважением Александр

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:33 utc | 82

Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:29 utc | 80
Quite frankly. ’tis you that’s melting down.

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

Your cuppa tea, Nazi?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 83

Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51
We would love your news and views. Can you freely access the internet from your home?
Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 2:59 utc | 70
I’d also appreciate your general location so I have context for the news you are sharing.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 84

Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 3:18 utc | 77
“Sorry what is an SZCh. We get very little actual on the ground information from Ukraine.”
If I’m recalling correctly, SZCh is someone who’s gone AWOL from the Ukrainian Army.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:38 utc | 85

@wagelaborer | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 01:43:00 GMT | 60

Now Hudson steps up with their fantasy of how to redo China, including changing the name, after China spontaneously combusts.

Gordon G Chang is one of the co-authors of the report. He’s been predicting the collapse of China since 1998, perhaps earlier. He has pushed his dates out further and further as his predictions have fallen through. It’s quite the cottage industry for him.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 3:41 utc | 86

@watcher | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 01:50:00 GMT | 61

of course julian has not been promoted yet!!!!!

Even as trolls go Julian is low-grade. Always the same argument, which have already been eviscerated here time and again. He’s much like Anonymous – look at the map, Russia can’t move. I suspect Anonymous was fired or re-assigned. Julian is probably next on the chopping block.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 3:44 utc | 87

для ясности Я был бусифицирован в маю , ссылка на таких как Я, ща опять добавлю ссылку busification.org

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:46 utc | 88

@ Sany
Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 84:
“I’d also appreciate your general location so I have context for the news you are sharing.”
===================
Категорически НЕТ! Слишком опасно! Вы и так предоставили слишком много информации о своем местонахождении!
Просто публиковать сообщения очень рискованно, не сообщайте никаких подробностей, которые могли бы идентифицировать вас, ваше подразделение, семью и т.д.
Удачи! Надеюсь, это не продлится долго.

Posted by: scanalyse | Jul 28 2025 3:51 utc | 89

господин Paranaense мое расположение Дк Карл Либхнета левый берег Днепра

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:52 utc | 90

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 83
Quite frankly. ’tis you that’s melting down.
You seem to be really miffed today Laurie. Your comments here are just half-arsed attempts at diversion.
FUCK OFF TROLL

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:58 utc | 91

@John Marks | Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:01:00 GMT | 2

After Pokrovsk, which is the next town that the UKies will claim is “strategically unimportant”?

The next salient to fall after Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad might be Kostyantynivka. That combined with an approach to Lyman and Toret’ske would significantly isolate the Krmaatorsk-Slovyansk amalgamation. At that point the Donetsk oblast will be all but liberated.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:00 utc | 92

добавлю информацию если кто считает что я троль или СБУ отправлю личный номер телефона если кто сомневается. спасибо! всем по рюмке!

Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 4:01 utc | 93

@Sun Of Alabama | Sun, 27 Jul 2025 22:26:00 GMT | 42

Who don’t like what the Kissingerarians are clearly doing and trying to bring Russia and the US closer ?
Or
Are the kissingerarians pivoting towards China softly anyway?

I’ve seen you use the term “Kissingerian” before, but I’m not sure you’re using it in the proper context. Are you talking about neoconservatives? They are not Kissinger acolytes. Please define what you mean by Kissingerism – I assume you mean Kissinger’s political views/thought on foreign policy. Remember, Kissinger was a realist.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:05 utc | 94

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:58 utc | 91
The subject today: [By Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 16:54 utc | 12]

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

Your cuppa tea, Nazi?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:07 utc | 95

Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:00 utc | 92
The next salient to fall after Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad might be Kostyantynivka. That combined with an approach to Lyman and Toret’ske would significantly isolate the Krmaatorsk-Slovyansk amalgamation. At that point the Donetsk oblast will be all but liberated.
Yes, quite likely, and doable for the RF if they are so inclined.
But I would not discount a concerted assault on Kupiansk and the Karkov area.

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:09 utc | 96

The organizational hierarchy and OJT system, hiring and promotion based on commitment and capability all the way from bottom to top level characterizes the Chinese system. To me, it seems to be, the most efficient system of government in the entire nation state system of governments. Its greatest strength, IMO, is its ability to detect weakness and to take considered steps toward strengthening that weakness..it will be a day in hell before the western system of governments are capable to match the management expertise the Chinese government has in place. For that reason predicting the collapse of China is like predicting the sun will turn off its flow of photons.

Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 97

Developed by Daniel Bethlehem when Legal Adviser to first Netanyahu’s government and then Blair’s, the Bethlehem Doctrine is

Come on Barrel light your fire.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 98

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 98
FUCK OFF TROLL-or is it TROLLETTE?

Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:20 utc | 99

Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:20 utc | 99
Takes two to tango, Nazi. And you can’t dance.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:36 utc | 100