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July 27, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-168
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Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 25th July 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-279 Posted by: The Busker | Jul 27 2025 13:21 utc | 1 After Pokrovsk, which is the next town that the UKies will claim is “strategically unimportant”? Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2 Thanks so much Mr Busker, and let me add this latest one from the refreshing new voice, Sebastian Sas: Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 27 2025 14:02 utc | 3 Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2 Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 27 2025 14:15 utc | 4 Vladimir Zelenski writes:
So I’m wondering: this money from Ghana to Ukraine – how much is it and where is it? Posted by: Passerby | Jul 27 2025 14:16 utc | 5 Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 27 2025 14:02 utc | 3 Posted by: The Busker | Jul 27 2025 14:21 utc | 6 Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2 Posted by: Wæsfjord | Jul 27 2025 14:47 utc | 7 DD: Col Douglas Macregor Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 27 2025 15:00 utc | 8 As the SMO draws to its conclusion, I submit some references to its earlier history that might be useful. Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 15:26 utc | 9 The Duran Ep 2291 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 27 2025 15:30 utc | 10 So I’m wondering: this money from Ghana to Ukraine – how much is it and where is it? Posted by: Neptune | Jul 27 2025 15:46 utc | 11 English Outsider @ 9 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 16:54 utc | 12 Interesting view of “the Bethlehem Doctrine” here by Craig Murray. Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 17:42 utc | 13 …I knew there were a large number of US biolabs around the world – indeed the whole world is now aware of the one in Wuhan and I think I … Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 17:51 utc | 14 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 17:42 utc | 13
Endum added. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 17:56 utc | 15
BY NONSTATE ACTORS Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16 Night Tripper | Jul 27 2025 14:15 utc | 4 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 27 2025 18:16 utc | 17 1. The targets were NOT “NON STATE ACTORS. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:17 utc | 18 Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:30 utc | 19 CJCS Milley: B-b-b you said — Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:31 utc | 20 In regard to the “Bethlehem Doctrine”, Bethlehem stated that pre-emptive self-defence was already recognised under international law before the arrival of the UN Charter, and that Article 51 of the charter did not override or extinguish existing law. Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:36 utc | 21 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:30 utc | 19
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:38 utc | 22 Laurence — “BY leaving out the full title.” Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:47 utc | 23 @21 Posted by: paddy | Jul 27 2025 18:48 utc | 24 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 18:47 utc | 23
Eat it. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:59 utc | 25 English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 15:26 utc | 9– “Toto, I’ve a feeling we’re not in Kansas anymore!” … Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 19:10 utc | 27 @ Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:59 utc | 25 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 27 2025 19:11 utc | 28 I forgot | Jul 27 2025 19:11 utc | 28 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 19:22 utc | 29 Another teenage soldier killed by the resistence Posted by: Monty | Jul 27 2025 19:25 utc | 30 Even if the West replaces Zelensky the following will keep going:
https://politnavigator.news/podpole-na-ukraine-prodolzhaet-besposhhadno-zhech-tekhniku-vsu.html (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 19:42 utc | 31 Jeremy R_L @ 31: “Even if the West replaces Zelensky …” Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jul 27 2025 21:02 utc | 32 In response to Neptune@11, Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 27 2025 21:04 utc | 33 Gavin Longmuir @32: “If they replace him with a realist who is willing to make some concessions to Russia in genuine negotiations to stop the proxy war, there is a good chance the Azov guys will start a civil war in the Ukraine, which will make peace impossible and may even drag Russia…” Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 27 2025 21:18 utc | 34 @ Gavin Longmuir | Jul 27 2025 21:02 utc | 32 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:22 utc | 35 Missed yesterday Posted by: Newbie | Jul 27 2025 21:23 utc | 36 @ William Gruff | Jul 27 2025 21:18 utc | 34 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 21:41 utc | 37 Laurence | Jul 27 2025 18:05 utc | 16 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38 “a thought journey I’ve undertaken” Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 21:58 utc | 39 @ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 21:58 utc | 39 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:12 utc | 40 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38 Posted by: Steve from oz | Jul 27 2025 22:20 utc | 41 Thai-Cambodian Conflict: Who Benefits from Regional Chaos? Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 27 2025 22:28 utc | 43 @ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42
https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/27/1548013.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:33 utc | 44 Aaand, there could be more explosions in Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:43 utc | 45 @ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 27 2025 22:55 utc | 46 Paranaense | Jul 27 2025 21:54 utc | 38 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:01 utc | 47 Sorry – foolish slip. Above should read “(2), that the reason for the SMO was aggressive NATO expansion, is most ably and courageously propounded by Mearsheimer.” Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 27 2025 23:23 utc | 48 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:23 utc | 49 @Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 27 2025 22:26 utc | 42 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jul 27 2025 23:46 utc | 50 Good health to all! I once tried to publish here but it didn’t work out very well (before that I wrote under a slightly different name in general I wanted to add that from 01:30 to 04:16 Dnepropetrovsk time they were banging hard on Saturday time, 04:14 I heard a rocket fly by and after a few seconds it landed somewhere and then there were about 3 more explosions but it’s far from me I live near the Karl Liebknecht Palace of Culture, I accidentally came across this site, thanks to the creator B and all the commentators I am interested in reading your opinions, thanks! Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Malenkov @ 43, I think the regulars have. Posted by: Suresh | Jul 28 2025 0:11 utc | 52 Posted by: John Marks | Jul 27 2025 14:01 utc | 2 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 0:11 utc | 53 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @40: “By the way, why do you wrap your signature in a URL referral that just comes back to MoA? Very careless.” Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 27 2025 23:01 utc | 4 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55 Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54 Posted by: Milites | Jul 28 2025 0:45 utc | 56
Lol. See my remark above. The Z team is pissed. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 1:03 utc | 57
That’s because the US/West invested everything into building Zelensky’s sanctified image. Now they are backing off that narrative, true. But to completely reverse their constructed picture of the green goblin as Saint Zelensky and paint him as an evil villain is too much of a reach in too short a time span, even for the West’s propaganda mill and it’s indoctrinated readership. So, yes, they are truly clueless how to play the game going forward. Posted by: Mike R | Jul 28 2025 1:10 utc | 58 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 0:30 utc | 55
… Your cuppa tea, Nazi? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 1:14 utc | 59 Off topic, but funny. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 28 2025 1:43 utc | 60 OK everyone Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 1:50 utc | 61 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 28 2025 1:43 utc | 60 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 28 2025 2:11 utc | 62
Peek-a-boo! Nazi.. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:18 utc | 63 Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2025 2:19 utc | 64 William Gruff | Jul 28 2025 0:20 utc | 54 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 2:35 utc | 65 Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 28 2025 2:36 utc | 66 спасибо мистер или пан Naive и Melaleuca! вот была еще у меня история 01.06.25 вьебал по нам мистер искандер , я был в лесу в Черкасском мне не досталось а кто то зажмурился !бухло я люблю))) Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 2:43 utc | 67 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 1:50 utc | 61
Right behind you, Nazi. … Your cuppa tea, Nazi? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:46 utc | 69 Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 2:59 utc | 70 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 2:59 utc | 70
Who'”We”, Nazi?
… Your cuppa tea, Nazi? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:07 utc | 71 Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 2:44 utc | 68 Posted by: Naive | Jul 28 2025 3:07 utc | 72 Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Posted by: Samu | Jul 28 2025 3:09 utc | 74 Mr. Watcher I am currently wanted as a SZCh, that is, if you have any questions on the fact, I will try to answer here, busification.org Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:11 utc | 75 Вы можете писать по-русски, без проблем. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:12 utc | 76 Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:11 utc | 75 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 3:18 utc | 77 “And what the hell is that blather about? . . . Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:25 utc | 78 сзч по моему в “штате хохланд”))) это я так называю юкрейн ))) самовольно покинувшие военную часть или место службы преследуются по закону статья 407 уголовного кодекса Украины Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:26 utc | 79 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 2:46 utc | 69 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:29 utc | 80
It means AWOL. Posted by: Tel | Jul 28 2025 3:31 utc | 81 извините за перевод иногда он косячит задавайте вопросы, с уважением Саня из Днепропетровска , всем как у Вас принято в баре рюмку Всем и всего доброго! с уважением Александр Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:33 utc | 82 Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:29 utc | 80
Your cuppa tea, Nazi? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 83 Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 0:04 utc | 51 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 84 Posted by: watcher | Jul 28 2025 3:18 utc | 77 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 28 2025 3:38 utc | 85 @wagelaborer | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 01:43:00 GMT | 60
Gordon G Chang is one of the co-authors of the report. He’s been predicting the collapse of China since 1998, perhaps earlier. He has pushed his dates out further and further as his predictions have fallen through. It’s quite the cottage industry for him. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 3:41 utc | 86 @watcher | Mon, 28 Jul 2025 01:50:00 GMT | 61
Even as trolls go Julian is low-grade. Always the same argument, which have already been eviscerated here time and again. He’s much like Anonymous – look at the map, Russia can’t move. I suspect Anonymous was fired or re-assigned. Julian is probably next on the chopping block. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 3:44 utc | 87 для ясности Я был бусифицирован в маю , ссылка на таких как Я, ща опять добавлю ссылку busification.org Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:46 utc | 88 @ Sany Posted by: scanalyse | Jul 28 2025 3:51 utc | 89 господин Paranaense мое расположение Дк Карл Либхнета левый берег Днепра Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 3:52 utc | 90 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 3:34 utc | 83 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:58 utc | 91 @John Marks | Sun, 27 Jul 2025 14:01:00 GMT | 2
The next salient to fall after Pokrovsk-Myrnohrad might be Kostyantynivka. That combined with an approach to Lyman and Toret’ske would significantly isolate the Krmaatorsk-Slovyansk amalgamation. At that point the Donetsk oblast will be all but liberated. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:00 utc | 92 добавлю информацию если кто считает что я троль или СБУ отправлю личный номер телефона если кто сомневается. спасибо! всем по рюмке! Posted by: Sany Dnepropetrovsk | Jul 28 2025 4:01 utc | 93 @Sun Of Alabama | Sun, 27 Jul 2025 22:26:00 GMT | 42
I’ve seen you use the term “Kissingerian” before, but I’m not sure you’re using it in the proper context. Are you talking about neoconservatives? They are not Kissinger acolytes. Please define what you mean by Kissingerism – I assume you mean Kissinger’s political views/thought on foreign policy. Remember, Kissinger was a realist. Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:05 utc | 94 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 3:58 utc | 91
Your cuppa tea, Nazi? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:07 utc | 95 Posted by: James M. | Jul 28 2025 4:00 utc | 92 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:09 utc | 96 The organizational hierarchy and OJT system, hiring and promotion based on commitment and capability all the way from bottom to top level characterizes the Chinese system. To me, it seems to be, the most efficient system of government in the entire nation state system of governments. Its greatest strength, IMO, is its ability to detect weakness and to take considered steps toward strengthening that weakness..it will be a day in hell before the western system of governments are capable to match the management expertise the Chinese government has in place. For that reason predicting the collapse of China is like predicting the sun will turn off its flow of photons. Posted by: snake | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 97
Come on Barrel light your fire. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 98 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:14 utc | 98 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:20 utc | 99 Barrel Brown | Jul 28 2025 4:20 utc | 99 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 28 2025 4:36 utc | 100 |
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