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July 23, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-165

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Sticking my neck out here, but I think the current protests over the changes to the legislation governing the organisation of anti-corruption bodies will fizzle out; without backing from the Nazi paramilitary factions or the conventional armed forces (both of whom have got their snouts deep in the trough of corruption) the protests won’t last.
If some adventurous Western clandestine agency tries activating some agents provocateurs it risks stirring up some serious pushback from those powerful parties that benefit from things continuing as they are.
It’s largely a “metropolitan” protest, chiefly among the pro-European young Ukrainians, who still hanker after some mythical golden future on the inside of Borrells “garden”.
The real rebellion is brewing out in the sticks, as indicated here: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/23/1538187.html , a 2-minute video clip of villagers haranguing, harassing, pushing and shoving a TCC/police press-gang operation. Not the first time such footage has emerged.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 16:52 utc | 1

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Posted by: Laurence | Jul 23 2025 16:54 utc | 2

I can’t help noticing how young the protestors in Ukraine are; so far, I haven’t seen a single photo depicting 60+ citizens. I suppose one explanation might be that such events are too physical for the older generation, but still, I wonder if there’s a better explanation.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 23 2025 17:04 utc | 3

The Kiev protests against corruption indicate the U.S. wants to get rid of Zelenski.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 23 2025 17:05 utc | 4

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 23 2025 17:04 utc | 3
Given behavior of Ukraine’s TCC recruitment agencies, one would expect not one male, age 25 to 60, to be present.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 23 2025 17:10 utc | 5

Oh c’mon Laurence…., was it really necessary to mention the Toronto Maple Leafs…,have some compassion…, they have suffered enough 🙂

Posted by: ScreamingMonk | Jul 23 2025 17:15 utc | 6

I seldom feel the urge to drop-kick people into the shit-list 😀

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 23 2025 17:20 utc | 7

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 23 2025 17:05 utc | 4
Yes, and these ‘peace talks’ in Istanbul are probably being forced upon the Ukros by the US as well.

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 23 2025 17:22 utc | 8

The Kiev protests against corruption indicate the U.S. wants to get rid of Zelenski.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 23 2025 17:05 utc | 4
They can’t, not yet, there’s no clear successor, or perhaps more accurately, there’s no clear agreement among the Western clique about who the successor should be. Besides, getting rid of Zelensky doesn’t fully deal with the Yermak power base; he’s the one who is the power behind the throne, so to speak.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:24 utc | 9

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:24 utc | 9
I simply don’t believe the Ukros are going to Istanbul voluntarily.
Their sponsors must be holding a gun to their heads

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 23 2025 17:25 utc | 10

“Anonymous” ( Jul 23 2025 17:04 utc | 3 ):
I recon they are all 100% nazis/zionists/”elite spawn” who one way or another (connections) feel safe from any “conscription”.
Otherwise why the hell would they (still!!!) be in ex-“Ukraine”?
Okay they could be very stupid, we humans are good at that.
And the demonstrations were tiny; it might have been all that’s left of “Ukrainian” youth.

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 23 2025 17:27 utc | 11

Oh c’mon Laurence…., was it really necessary to mention the Toronto Maple Leafs…,have some compassion…, they have suffered enough 🙂
Posted by: ScreamingMonk | Jul 23 2025 17:15 utc | 6
Was meant to be on the Open-neither thread. Sorry.

[‘s] … fair or foul?
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 23 2025 17:10 utc | 6
@ psychohistorian
Did you see this one over at ZH:
‘Catastrophic’: AI Agent Goes Rogue, Wipes Out Company’s Entire Database
“Computer Says No ”…
The Rulers of Mammon might not go out with a bang, but with a {DROPTABLES} command…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:11 utc | 7

RIP Edmonton Oilers KIA. And that too, is war.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 23 2025 17:33 utc | 12

I can’t help noticing how young the protestors in Ukraine are; so far, I haven’t seen a single photo depicting 60+ citizens. I suppose one explanation might be that such events are too physical for the older generation, but still, I wonder if there’s a better explanation.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 23 2025 17:04 utc | 3
Well, well, well, look who the cat just dragged in! Long time, no see! Deep State’s km² counter has been steadily ticking upwards lately, fortunately @Newbie has ably stepped up to provide the bulletins you used to be so fastidious about providing.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:34 utc | 13

Zelensky made a statement about NABU and SAPO after the rallies: what the president promises
Volodymyr Zelensky held meetings with law enforcement officers to hear everyone’s arguments. And they all said things that have accumulated for a long time
This was announced by the President in his address, reports RegioNews .
According to Zelensky, the SBU, NABU, SAPO, Interior Ministry, NACP, State Bureau of Investigation, Prosecutor General of Ukraine met with him, and even told each other what had been accumulating for a long time. The President stressed that he appreciates ” the agreement on teamwork and measures that can really give a sense of the inevitability of punishment, and therefore justice in Ukraine.”
He also added that everyone has heard what people are saying in social networks and on the streets. According to Zelensky, it was not in vain, all the concerns were analyzed, as well as what exactly needs to be changed.
“I will propose to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine a bill that will be a response that will provide strength to the system of law and order. And there will be no Russian influence or interference in the activities of law enforcement agencies, and-very importantly-all the rules for the independence of anti-corruption institutions will be in place. And I very much expect from our group of heads of law enforcement and anti-corruption agencies, from the Prosecutor General of Ukraine, proposals of those norms that should work. This will be a presidential bill, and we are implementing it as part of our state transformation strategy,” the President said.
He also added that the most important thing now is not to lose the unity of the country, end the war, ” stop this Russian evil and ensure Ukraine a decent peace, and exactly as we all see it – a full-fledged part of Europe.”

https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/ukraine/1753288042-zelenskiy-pislya-mitingiv-zrobiv-zayavu-pro-nabu-i-sap-shcho-obitsyae-prezident (via translation add-on.)
The point remains, whoever the West seeks to replace him with will need the backing of the armed forces and Nazi paramilitaries.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:42 utc | 14

The Perimeter System Exists to This Day and is on Alert.

Posted by: pepe | Jul 23 2025 17:46 utc | 15

I simply don’t believe the Ukros are going to Istanbul voluntarily.
Their sponsors must be holding a gun to their heads

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 23 2025 17:25 utc | 10
It‘s just a ritualistic diplomatic dance, I don’t see how anything new comes out of these talks. Russia will just re-submit its previous position, “taking into account the realities on the ground”, at which point everyone just adjourns to their respective 5-star hotels and enjoy the delights of whatever 5-star hotels can provide…
“The forms must be observed”, or something like that…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:57 utc | 16

I simply don’t believe the Ukros are going to Istanbul voluntarily.
Their sponsors must be holding a gun to their heads

Posted by: Night Tripper | Jul 23 2025 17:25 utc | 10
It‘s just a ritualistic diplomatic dance, I don’t see how anything new comes out of these talks. Russia will just re-submit its previous position, “taking into account the realities on the ground”, at which point everyone just adjourns to their respective 5-star hotels and enjoy the delights of whatever 5-star hotels can provide…
“The forms must be observed”, or something like that…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:57 utc | 17

Now how in the world did that double post happen? I only clicked “Post” once, after a preview.
Still, computers are infallible I guess, so anyone finding a bug is just writing a “hit piece”…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 18:25 utc | 18

DW John Helmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS40olu8paQ
“Russia’s single move. Is Russia scrambling to understand Trump’s next move?”
Istanbul. Planning Zelenski regime change? September ceasefire agreement tba in Beijing?

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 23 2025 18:37 utc | 19

I simply don’t believe the Ukros are going to Istanbul voluntarily.
There are no peace negotiations … just kabuki theatre … the goal of the coalition of the willing to send so-called peacekeepers by a ceasefire agreement … that will never happen … all that rests is exchange of prisoners and the discuss UA narrative of “kidnapped” children.
A waste of time but keeps the corrupt media busy.

🇬🇧 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇺🇦 The UK has launched a 50-day military support campaign for Ukraine, backed by Germany, aiming to strengthen Ukraine’s defenses.

Posted by: Oui | Jul 23 2025 18:38 utc | 20

There are no peace negotiations … just kabuki theatre … the goal of the coalition of the willing to send so-called peacekeepers by a ceasefire agreement … that will never happen … all that rests is exchange of prisoners and the discuss UA narrative of “kidnapped” children.
A waste of time but keeps the corrupt media busy.
🇬🇧 🇺🇸 🇩🇪 🇺🇦 The UK has launched a 50-day military support campaign for Ukraine, backed by Germany, aiming to strengthen Ukraine’s defenses.
Posted by: Oui | Jul 23 2025 18:38 utc | 20
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You need an army to send peacekeepers, Krautcuckland and the YooKay don’t have that, the US ain’t sending shit.
Also lol to their arms shipment, those peaked long since already and the Ukrs don’t hardly have the men to use em.
————
DW John Helmer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wS40olu8paQ
“Russia’s single move. Is Russia scrambling to understand Trump’s next move?”
Istanbul. Planning Zelenski regime change? September ceasefire agreement tba in Beijing?
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 23 2025 18:37 utc | 19
————–
Russia isn’t scrambling it’s going about winning. Along the trajectory it steadily built up.
The bloviating flatulence filled fleshbag, doesn’t have a “next move” in any true sense of the word. He just does shit whilst spouting BS out his facehole.
I doubt the Kremlin gives more than a nominal flying fu*k about Trump’s decaying carcass.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 23 2025 18:52 utc | 21

Anonymous @3: “I can’t help noticing how young the protestors in Ukraine are…but still, I wonder if there’s a better explanation.”
Yeah, older residents of the region formerly known as the Ukraine are either dead, crippled, or at extreme risk of being dragged of to Voldemort Zelenskiiyy’s meat grinders.
Not rocket science.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2025 18:58 utc | 22

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 18:25 utc | 18

Still, computers are infallible I guess, so anyone finding a bug is just writing a “hit piece”…

Argumentum ad absurdum. Et cetera & et cetera.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 23 2025 18:58 utc | 23

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @18: “Now how in the world did that double post happen?”
My money is on funny business going down at Cloudflare, which provides caching services for MoA.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2025 19:04 utc | 24

The real rebellion is brewing out in the sticks, as indicated here: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/23/1538187.html , a 2-minute video clip of villagers haranguing, harassing, pushing and shoving a TCC/police press-gang operation. Not the first time such footage has emerged.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 16:52 utc | 1
True and that’s probably one of the motivations in generating a proxy protest movement of pro EU city folks. They did that to Occupy in 2012. All of a sudden there were massive BLM organizations throughout the country focusing exclusively on police violence against blacks, nobody else. By Hillary’s campaign class was out and it was “racism, sexism, homophobia”. In Ukraine the protests are to replace anti war sentiment with a fight against “corruption”. They had Bernie keep a hold on the class conscious knowing he’s deliver them up as soon as the primaries were complete, which he did, not once, but twice.
In any case, you attribute to much to the proxys of Imperialism in Ukraine. The Nazis regime will have to approve a successor? Really? What pray tell will that regime do without western support? Without Imperialist support they are a bunch of trailer park trash surrounded by an increasingly angry populace and an overpowering Russian opponent. They will step and fetch as commanded.
And no successors? Are you kidding? Loads of other vetted stooges prepared for just this moment.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 23 2025 19:09 utc | 25

The negotiations in Turkiye are merely a result of the US circus about “ending the war” from months ago, where they started to act as a “mediator”.
The Russians simply obliged by moving the quiet prisoner exchange negotiations ran through UAE to a public dimension in Turkiye. This provided an opportunity to shove their consistent demands down the West’s throat in a way they couldn’t publicly ignore.
The interesting development today is that banderites agreed to also exchange civilians (on top of POWs). This is another circumstantial proof about how fucked AFU are on the battlefield.
Recently there were insider reports on the fate of the Russian traitor formations (those first fellatiod in media during the first Kursk incursion). Turns out the nazis do not treat Russian traitors on their side any better than how they treat any other Russian. Some of them are held in an effective prisoner camp by force without means of communication. All that to sneak them into the prisoner exchange pool.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 23 2025 19:18 utc | 26

Seems like the way for the Ukrainian side to get their respite of a temporary ceasefire would be to accept the earlier Russian offer to let Ukrainian forces withdraw from the Donbas peacefully — provided that includes also stopping Russian drone/missile attacks.
Lawyer Putin would probably feel compelled to accept the offer, even knowing that the Ukrainian side would simply be using this to regroup & rearm — with plentiful help from the brain-dead Euros.
Stranger things have happened!

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jul 23 2025 19:26 utc | 27

The Kiev protests against corruption indicate the U.S. wants to get rid of Zelenski.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 23 2025 17:05 utc | 4
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Yes, it does. So do many other people.
Karlof1 pointed out a while back, that this solves nothing since you have to look at the forces behind him.
In addition, lest I forget, that young man, karlof1 that is, made a long list of legal issues in need of addressing, no matter what the turnover is for the clown occupying the throne.
The legal issues need addressing as we approaching some end, this year, next year, who knows. MoA might need to rehash this a few more times, not that anyone here is in a hurry, no more than the powers that be.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 23 2025 19:36 utc | 28

there is absolutely nothing organic about these protests. after 3 years of being thrown in vans there hasnt been a protest 1/10th that size, but suddenly all these people are activated.. what

Posted by: Clown Fatigue | Jul 23 2025 19:45 utc | 29

In any case, you attribute to much to the proxys of Imperialism in Ukraine. The Nazis regime will have to approve a successor? Really? What pray tell will that regime do without western support? Without Imperialist support they are a bunch of trailer park trash surrounded by an increasingly angry populace and an overpowering Russian opponent. They will step and fetch as commanded.
And no successors? Are you kidding? Loads of other vetted stooges prepared for just this moment.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 23 2025 19:09 utc | 25
Yes, there’s lots of potential successors, but none of them have got a real ‘head of steam’ behind them yet, no momentum, no coalescing of Western MSM opinion around a particular chosen name.
And unfortunately, yes, at this stage the Nazi paramilitaries and conventional armed forces still do have a say, simply because they remain the most heavily-armed factions of the Ukrainian population.
This could well change (and I sincerely hope it does) if/when Russia decides that the pro-Russian partisans have an increased role to play in affairs; a sign I’m keeping an eye out for is news of a press-gang/police operation being directly shot at by local civilians.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 19:45 utc | 30

there is absolutely nothing organic about these protests. after 3 years of being thrown in vans there hasnt been a protest 1/10th that size, but suddenly all these people are activated.. what

Posted by: Clown Fatigue | Jul 23 2025 19:59 utc | 31

The point remains, whoever the West seeks to replace him with will need the backing of the armed forces and Nazi paramilitaries.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:42 utc | 14
I guess the ‘support’ of the Right Sector is based on providing finance, weapons, ISR, Starlink, resorts and such, rather than being tied to a person. They’d accept Putin too.
Selensky can make peace too, so capitulate. For further war, I don’t see what more could be ‘moved’ in Ukraine.
The USA currently wants the war to continue, supplied by the USA, paid for by Germany and sustained by Ukraine.

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 23 2025 20:04 utc | 32

suddenly all these people are activated
@Clown Fatigue | Jul 23 2025 19:45 utc | 29
An email to ngos and the people with phone leds appear for a show and some big mac or whatever they get in exchange.
( en.topwar.ru/268538-zelenskij-vseh-perehitril-rada-ushla-na-kanikuly-chtoby-ne-dorabatyvat-antikorrupcionnyj-zakon.html )

Posted by: rk | Jul 23 2025 20:08 utc | 33

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang @30: “…a sign I’m keeping an eye out for is news of a press-gang/police operation being directly shot at by local civilians.”
I’d like to see Russia let Strelkov out of prison if he agrees to go to Odessa to organize the resistance. Strictly covert and no showboating. That would prove his worth.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2025 20:10 utc | 34

Of course the “protests” are not organic. No one thinks that the anti-corruption agency set up by Biden and gang does anything about corruption. I’m surprised that Nuland isn’t out there handing out cookies.
The depressing thing is that the Trump regime made a big deal out of abolishing USAID and the NED, but somehow the money is still getting out there to these color revolutionists.
Garland Nixon has a good take on it, and he’s funny, to boot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRoDZDZm6Pc

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:11 utc | 35

Well, well, well, look who the cat just dragged in! Long time, no see! Deep State’s km² counter has been steadily ticking upwards lately, fortunately @Newbie has ably stepped up to provide the bulletins you used to be so fastidious about providing.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:34 utc | 13
Speaking of which… SD still absent, for the rest…
The Ukrainian army lost more than 1,220 troops in battles with Russian forces in all the frontline sectors over the past 24 hours
https://tass.com/politics/1993103
“Units of the “North” Group of forces have liberated the settlement of Varachino in the Sumy Region through decisive operations.”
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-23rd

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 23 2025 20:17 utc | 36

Actually, the fact that the TCC is not out rounding up protesters for the front is a Big Clue that this is a US sponsored color revolution. They must have been told by someone above Zelensky to stand down.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 23 2025 19:09 utc | 25
They did that to Occupy in 2012. All of a sudden there were massive BLM organizations throughout the country focusing exclusively on police violence against blacks, nobody else. By Hillary’s campaign class was out and it was “racism, sexism, homophobia”. In Ukraine the protests are to replace anti war sentiment with a fight against “corruption”.
Yep, Occupy was definitely not a color revolution, unlike the 2020 Floyd riots. There are only two times in recent history I can recall Americans being so united. One was Occupy, the other was Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself.
So yeah, they immediately started on the divide and conquer BLM, CRT, 1619 Project to divide us by race, and the trans thing to divide us by reality-based people vs virtue signalers. There went the 99%, fighting amongst ourselves.
And now they have turned the revulsion at sex predators that came out during the Epstein “suicide” narrative, into a Blue vs Red narrative.
Sigh. We’re so easy.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:21 utc | 37

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:21 utc | 37
The Seattle police pulled divide and conquer tactics at occupy Seattle well. I have a couple stories about how they did it, but dont feel like writing them out. But one of them was a new “brown caucus” of people wanted to rename “Occupy Seattle” to “Occupy/Decolonize Seattle”, and any criticism of the suggestion had a couple of new black guys and two brown girls crying “wypipo just dont want to listen to us”. My friend quit after that night.
However, there was also a blunder on occupy’s part, where the “leaders” decided to start the night sessions (cant remember what they were called) with “stacked calling” that very night, and there was a new guy leading (not new to camp, but not the normal leader), meaning that “marginalized people always got called first, eg white men were never called upon to speak.
And right as the arguments started to get heated about Occupiers and how racist they are, the police snuck around back and raided all the paintings that had been painted that day…
But hey, Lumpen Proletariat and all, Marx knew Occupy would never “work”.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2025 20:39 utc | 38

@Clown Fatigue | Jul 23 2025 19:45 utc | 29

there is absolutely nothing organic about these protests. after 3 years of being thrown in vans there hasnt been a protest 1/10th that size, but suddenly all these people are activated.. what

Agreed, not to mention the ~1 million ‘missing’. What happens now is not organic.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 23 2025 20:43 utc | 39

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2025 20:39 utc | 38
Another was when the police told occupiers they could “occupy” in front of city hall instead of Westlake Park, and not be harassed any more, and about a third of the campers went, dividing the camp. Stupid, but getting arrested and embarrassed, not being able to sleep, or have any food, does suck.
BTW, Occupy Seattle was the first camp raided in the movement, and was raided dismantled very early on.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2025 20:43 utc | 40

harassed, not embarrassed. Stupid spell check.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2025 20:44 utc | 41

@Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 17:42 utc | 14

The point remains, whoever the West seeks to replace him with will need the backing of the armed forces and Nazi paramilitaries.

I guess that is why the Banderite Zaluzhny has undergone training in the UK for ~18 months.
Zaluzhny Image with Bandera and Right Sector.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 23 2025 20:48 utc | 42

Ukraine chooses to get beaten -up some more; peace talks end only after half hour….Hal Turner Radio Show.

Posted by: sejmon | Jul 23 2025 21:08 utc | 43

Not sure if this has been posted earlier, but it is Maria Zakharova responding to a question about future Russia-Germany relations. VERY powerful
Russia’s Message to Berlin: ‘Save Yourselves From Another Catastrophe’

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 23 2025 21:11 utc | 44

my wife asked about those “protests” and if those people are just been placed near some “sensitive” buildings that house workshops or other nazi/nato surprises, so that they act as a form of human shield so that russia is not destroying that. not sure what to say, the thought sure has some merit to it but i doubt those “protesters” are there at night when those sites are usually hit.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 23 2025 21:14 utc | 45

Istanbul or “Constant in hopeful”:

“The positions of the parties are too far apart”: the third round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations has ended in Istanbul
The third round of negotiations between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations ended in the Chirigan Palace. The meeting lasted just over 40 minutes, there will be no continuation, the round is now over.
Before the meeting, Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan spoke, stating that the ultimate goal of the talks was a ceasefire, and Turkey was counting on the success of the discussions. Fidan also thanked the presidents of the United States, Russia and Ukraine for their efforts to organize the talks. Then the journalists were removed from the room, and the meeting was held behind closed doors.
According to informed sources, the negotiations were conducted in Russian, and translators were not required. Incidentally, almost the entire Ukrainian delegation arrived for the third round in civilian suits, unlike the first and second, where all the security forces were in uniform.
Following the third round of talks in Istanbul, the Russian and Ukrainian delegations agreed to conduct new prisoner exchanges. The parties agreed to conduct mutual exchanges of both military personnel and detained civilians. The decision on the fourth round of talks will be made based on the results of the implementation of the agreements reached.
The head of the Russian delegation, Vladimir Medinsky, who came out to the journalists, said that all humanitarian agreements of the second round had been fulfilled, and the second unprecedentedly large prisoner exchange had been completed. Moscow also returned to Kyiv more than 7 [thousand] bodies of fallen Ukrainian Armed Forces servicemen. As part of the new agreements, Russia proposed to Ukraine an exchange of at least 1200 more prisoners of war from each side, as well as three thousand bodies. In addition, Moscow proposed that Kyiv consider the issue of declaring short, 24-48 hour, ceasefires to collect the wounded and the bodies of soldiers. Indefinite sanitary exchanges will be continued.
On the memorandums: the parties discussed their positions, they are very far from each other. Medinsky expressed hope for prompt contacts with the Ukrainian side not only at the level of delegations, but also at the level of working groups. On Kyiv’s proposal to hold a meeting between Putin and Zelensky at the end of August, Medinsky said that the meeting of the leaders of Russia and Ukraine should “put an end to it.” Therefore, for such a meeting, it is necessary to work out the terms of the agreement and understand what to discuss at this meeting.

https://en.topwar.ru/268545-pozicii-storon-slishkom-daleki-drug-ot-druga-v-stambule-zavershilsja-tretij-raund-peregovorov-rossijskoj-i-ukrainskoj-delegacij.html
Well that’s all right then, Nobel Peace Prize guaranteed for someone…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 21:14 utc | 46

I’d like to see Russia let Strelkov out of prison if he agrees to go to Odessa to organize the resistance. Strictly covert and no showboating. That would prove his worth.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2025 20:10 utc | 34
Rumours remain to be confirmed that Strelkov is lined up to be the curator of the Navalny Memorial Museum, apparently there are enough exhibits to fill a small tent…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 23 2025 21:39 utc | 47

‼️🇺🇸🏴‍☠️🇺🇦🇩🇪 The US has approved the sale to Ukraine of equipment for repairing Bradley IFVs, as well as HAWK Phase III SAM systems worth $322 million — Pentagon

Posted by: Jo | Jul 23 2025 21:42 utc | 48

hmmm panic panic 🇺🇦🇩🇪German foreign minister rushed to Kiev to meet the anti corruption heads.
They now work for Zelensky and need to investigate Zelensky and his friends.
Wonder how that will work?
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Posted by: Jo | Jul 23 2025 21:45 utc | 49

I think Mercouris plainly lays it out. The whole protest/corruption thing in Ukraine is garbage. Small protests, the Rada supports the corruption, there’s NO evidence of any potential overthrow of Zelensky, it’s all nonsense. Some in the West increase their support, regardless of obvious corruption, it means nothing. Zelensky stays in control, period – even to continue after a Ukraine collapse. The Hersh stuff is crap.
I’m glad……someone FINALLY gets it !!!!! No negotiation, no compromises, no meaningful peace talks.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 23 2025 21:51 utc | 50

The Hague District Court lifted the seizure of Gazprom’s assets in the Netherlands — Reuters
“The seizure of Gazprom’s assets may violate the principle of state immunity, meaning a jurisdiction cannot judge the actions of another state or a state-owned enterprise.”
@ConflictChronicles
and Russian seizedfunds?

Posted by: Ko | Jul 23 2025 21:55 utc | 51

Ukraine will not receive new Patriot systems until the end of 2025 – spring 2026.
🔺Germany is ready to consider the possibility of transferring another Patriot battery to Ukraine only if a clear and rapid replacement is provided by the US or other allies, so as not to weaken its own defense.
All these statements mean that there are serious contradictions between the US and NATO countries regarding support for the Ukrainian conflict, and the inertia of the Western military-industrial complex does not allow anyone to act independently.
The urgency of measures in this sense does not cancel the fundamental problem — the slow pace of military production. The timelines announced by Spiegel objectively reflect the fact that in the long term it is impossible to quickly saturate Ukraine with new air defense systems. This creates significant challenges for the Armed Forces of Ukraine as a whole, especially considering that the density of use of “Geran-1”, cruise, and ballistic missiles is constantly increasing.
Germany, to allocate its battery, must first receive a replacement, which is only planned to be manufactured and delivered
Military Chronicle
@Slavyangrad

Posted by: Jo | Jul 23 2025 22:00 utc | 52

Re: Patriots
It’s quite obvious that the math isn’t mathing. They don’t have the systems.
Trump lied, yet again.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 23 2025 22:47 utc | 53

Third Round of Russia-Ukraine Peace Talks Wraps Up
https://www.rt.com/russia/621863-istanbul-talks-third-round/
“As it happened…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 23 2025 22:51 utc | 54

Dear Anonymous,
You may have moved on to ruminating about the youthful exuberance of Maid-in2.0.
But for me, we will always have Berdyshitville.
Memories..

Scattered pictures
Of the smiles we left behind
Smiles we gave to one another
For the way we were
Can it be that it was all so simple then?
Or has time re-written every line?
If we had the chance to do it all again
Tell me, would we?
Could we?

Memories…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:17 utc | 55

Dima seems to think the Ukie Flash Mobs are a US backed protest. He thinks Tiny Dancer is cozying up to Russia, he did call for the most recent peace talks, so might be something there, especially if Zman tries to throw the US and NATO under the bus…..the big Russian bus……weird shit plot twist if true…..
Cheers M
…..it really is a shame Gonzalo Lira isn’t around to take this all in…..miss that guy…..

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 24 2025 0:20 utc | 56

We’ve reached levels of diversion, distraction, dissimulation I’d never thought possible.
Something Epstein.. or something.. (ukraine? to stay on topic/-grins) is bad, really really really bad….
…”Congressman Frost {is his nic “Jack?”} …is claiming that the White House is preparing to release concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life…
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1948111489078116781
~congress-critter no one has ever heard of
~”claiming”.
Ok mockingbirds, chirp away…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:48 utc | 57

We’ve reached levels of diversion, distraction, dissimulation I’d never thought possible.
Something Epstein.. or something.. is bad, really really really bad….
…”Congressman Frost {is his nic “Jack?”} …is claiming that the White House is preparing to release concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life…
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1948111489078116781
~congress-critter no one has ever heard of
~”claiming”.
Ok mockingbirds, chirp away…
^^^^^
The post that cucked cloud fare
(Or was it abducted by aliens?)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:50 utc | 58

We’ve reached levels of diversion, distraction, dissimulation I’d never thought possible.
Something Epstein.. or something.. is bad, really really really bad….
…”Congressman Frost {is his nic “Jack?”} … is claiming that the White House is preparing to release concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life…
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1948111489078116781
~congress-critter no one has ever heard of
~”claiming”.
Ok mockingbirds, chirp away…
^^^^^
The post that cucked cloud fare
(Or was it abducted by aliens?)
#third time’s the charm, right?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:53 utc | 59

guys?gu? gg…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:55 utc | 60

We’ve reached levels of diversion, distraction, dissimulation I’d never thought possible.
Something Epstein.. or something.. is bad, really really really bad….
…”Congressman Frost {is his nic “Jack?”} … is claiming that the White House is preparing to release concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life…
https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1948111489078116781
~congress-critter no one has ever heard of
~”claiming”.
Ok mockingbirds, chirp away…
^^^^^
The post that cucked cloud fare
(Or was it abducted by aliens?)
#third fourth time’s the charm, right?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:56 utc | 61

We’ve reached levels of diversion, distraction, dissimulation I’d never thought possible.
Something Epstein.. or something.. is bad, really really really bad….
…”Congressman Frost {is his nic “Jack?”} … is claiming that the White House is preparing to release concrete evidence of extraterrestrial life

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1948111489078116781
~congress-critter no one has ever heard of
~”claiming”.
Ok mockingbirds, chirp away…
^^^^^
The post that cucked cloud fare
(Or was it abducted by aliens?)
____
>> ok, let’s see what trigger word/s cloudfare is choking on..

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 1:00 utc | 62

test..

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2025 1:00 utc | 63

“The depressing thing is that the Trump regime made a big deal out of abolishing USAID and the NED, but somehow the money is still getting out there to these color revolutionists.”
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:11 utc | 35
Actually according to Brian Berletic NED is still operative:
“US President Trump Streamlined the National Endowment for Democracy, not Dismantle[d] it”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_6vFtC7gw

Posted by: George | Jul 24 2025 1:21 utc | 64

Sure anonymous is back
DS has gone full retard
Liberated
41.816 ths. km²+17.7 km²
6.93%
Occupied after February 24th 2022
70.165 ths. km²+14.9 km²
11.62%
So whatever AFU “Liberates” (after losing, and not acknowledging in sumy), will discount?
Glad he’s back, I’ll stop posting DS
30 km2 days will look like this from now on…
crazy buggers

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2025 1:24 utc | 65

Just an addendum, DS proper
23/jul 70165
23/jun 69535
delta 630
daily 21
but no patience to open previous dates on excel
screw them

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2025 1:30 utc | 66

According to live map there are around 15 protests taking place in cities in Ukraine.
I realise that we have all gotten used to organisations like NED funding colour revolutions everywhere there is geopolitical instability that favours US interests, and NED is still clearly operative under Trump who merely made it disappear like rabbit thrown into a top hat with his usual sound bites of ‘hey presto’ lies; but I think it is also possible that these demonstrations -largely attended by younger people- may very well be legitimate.
All that appears as a colour revolution may not be, and I am being careful to not be like one of Pavlov’s dogs and simply bark because of the usual ‘what looks like colour revolution must be colour revolution’ stimulus. Maybe things are now collapsing so quickly in Ukraine that people feel more driven to protest as well, especially those younger ones that have been recently seen fit to be thrown at the meat grinding front lines that are crumbling faster than you can say ‘6 kilometres’. 60 years olds? Well many of them are already dead, they started to be thrown at the Russians a long time ago and now being freighted back to Ukraine frozen solid.
Maybe it has nothing to do with Trump but more to do with Zelensky’s unpopularity, corruption, lack of air defence, and Russian success. I could also be completely wrong, but speculation in the absence of solid evidence should involve looking at both sides of the possible causes.

Posted by: George | Jul 24 2025 1:45 utc | 67

Memories…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 0:17 utc | 55
Was it for him or for me?
ICUROK2

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 24 2025 1:49 utc | 68

Newbie | Jul 24 2025 1:24 utc | 65
Please don’t diss our esteemed contrarian poster.
His (her/or its) name is Anonalous
That’s with a Capiltal A
Thank you for your attention to this comment.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 1:54 utc | 69

According to Some Guy on the Internet.
The reason Cloudfare is fucky right now is because the UK govt is banning UK citizens from posting on 4chan.
I have no way -and most importantly- no inclination to verify this claim.
Sounds fun, tho

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 2:02 utc | 70

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 2:02 utc | 70
It was stuffing me up all day yesterday using VPN from Australia, but it seems to have stabilised today

Posted by: George | Jul 24 2025 2:09 utc | 71

While everyone is looking at Ukraine I think the mice are up to their usual ‘cold war’ tricks in Armenia which is far more concerning in terms of the United States of Chaos/Israel meddling in the region.

Posted by: George | Jul 24 2025 2:13 utc | 72

George | Jul 24 2025 2:13 utc | 72
*** While everyone is looking at Ukraine I think the mice are up to their usual ‘cold war’ tricks in Armenia which is far more concerning in terms of the United States of Chaos/Israel meddling in the region.***
Unless their elections are totally corrupted, the present day population of Armenia would seem to have quite an impressive wish for their own obliteration.

Posted by: Cynic | Jul 24 2025 3:06 utc | 73

@ Cynic | Jul 24 2025 3:06 utc | 73
the main election in armenia is for next year.. some of the by-elections are pointing to throwing the present gov’t out.. i am sure with a lot of propaganda for usa/uk, it could be altered..

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2025 4:05 utc | 74

”paid for by”

Posted by: james | Jul 24 2025 4:06 utc | 75

I’d like to see Russia let Strelkov out of prison if he agrees to go to Odessa to organize the resistance. Strictly covert and no showboating. That would prove his worth.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 23 2025 20:10 utc | 34
Have you been paying attention?
Strelkov’s a fucking coward who fled a combat zone. Colonel Cassad covered it in great detail.

Posted by: Suresh | Jul 24 2025 4:42 utc | 76

‘i forgot’ and ‘wagelaborer’ consistently make the best posts here now.

Posted by: ThouShalt | Jul 24 2025 5:40 utc | 77

xwitter + telegram trawl
§|~
American guided missile destroyer USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) attempted to enter Iranian waters in the Persian Gulf
An Iranian Navy helicopter from the third naval air region was dispatched to intercept the ship. The ship’s captain repeatedly threatened to shoot down the helicopter.
After several repeated verbal warnings and the pilot’s refusal to leave, the American vessel was forced to change course and left Iranian waters.
§| #### “Maintenance Mode”. “nitter is down….we’ll be back shortly”.
Oh dear. No xwitter cheat today then…
Extracts from @Megatron_ron telegram:
1 §| Fierce clashes have erupted along the Thailand-Cambodia border!
The Royal Cambodian Army have shelled multiple border towns in Thailand using multiple-launch rocket systems.
The Ministry of Defense of Thailand confirms that F-16 fighter jets of the Royal Thai Air Force have carried out multiple precision airstrikes against Cambodian positions along the border.
}^why? ^?
———
2 §| Brazil to formally join South Africa’s genocide case against Israel at ICJ — CGTN
3§| The Tunisian President welcomes Trump’s envoy with images of hungry children in Gaza
“These images depict a crime against humanity; is this the international law? Laws that are collapsing more and more every day. Such a concept no longer has any meaning.”
4§| Türkiye officially unveils a hypersonic ballistic missile called Tayfun Block-4 today.
{[does the U$ have hypersonics yet? Shameful how these countries keep stealing American IP and know-how.
5§| Attempt to assassinate Netanyahu foiled
70yo woman from central Israel suspected of planning to kill Bibi with an explosive device

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 6:33 utc | 78

Remember the Kevin Bacon 6-degrees game.
Now try it with Epstein
Robin Rosenberg, the judge who prevented Epstein grand jury transcripts from being unsealed, is married to Michael Mcauffile, a the protege of Barry Kirscher. Kirscher was Epstein’s defense lawyer, the lawyer who got the sweetheart deal from Acosta.
Is that 1degree of separation, or 2. Or just plain conflict of interest.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 6:48 utc | 79

why would the US need a color revolution to get rid of Z? unless there are other purposes to it of course. the situation is very murky outside of Russia’s guaranteed victory. maybe it it related to the politics around the eventual rump state–I dont see Russia wanting Western Ukraine, but the again how will it address long term security without taking it over?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jul 24 2025 7:42 utc | 80

Posted by: Gavin Longmuir | Jul 23 2025 19:26 utc | 27
——————————–
The earlier Russian offer also required the stop of weapon flow from the West. I don’t see Ukraine accepting anything like that.

Posted by: scc | Jul 24 2025 9:07 utc | 81

reply to 73
It is a strange time to be alive. It is strange to see so many nations firmly set on self destruction – such as Ukraine,Israel, Armenia, the UK and EU generally. Uncontrolled immigration, war, eagerness to be used and discarded in big power politics, self punishing sanctions and bad economics. A whole deep argument could be developed that the contrast between China, Russia and BRICS vs the West could be reduced down to intelligent, forward thinking nationalism – instead of Western mass suicide.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 24 2025 10:27 utc | 82

Melaleuca | Jul 24 2025 6:33 utc | 78
}^why? ^?
The main narrative is the border land disputes, which are obviously ages old.
The why now, I think, centers on the changing of the Cambodian ‘dear leader’ from father Hun Sen to son Hun Manet. There is nothing like a war to get the populace full of patriotism and behind their man – my wife is Thai and she is spitting feathers…..
The Cambodian elites are also roped in due to the loss of their nice little earners at the expense of the Thai people – just over the border casinos (gambling is illegal in Thailand – apart from the lottery!) have been threatened by the current Thai government, who think it would be a grand idea to make casinos legal (nice little earners for them). The more unsavory enterprise from Cambodia, as well as Myanmar, are the scamming call centers that target the Thai population – the Thai government have been cracking down by severing electrical and internet connections to these ‘just over the border’ operations that entice Thais to earn mega sums.
So to answer your question – power and money – as always!

Posted by: NotEinstein | Jul 24 2025 10:41 utc | 83

I’d like to apologize for the confusion caused yesterday when I penned a message on this board under the handle “Anonymous”. Some of the responses clearly indicated that this handle is normally associated with another visitor to the board; while other responses remained on topic with helpful information to my intial query regarding the age of the Ukrainina anti-corruption protestors. I even felt a moment of flattery reading Melaleuca’s poem (which, I feel it’s pretty good) addressed to the real “Anonymous”, but that sentiment quickly evaporated for obviuos reasons – I was an impostor. To avoid further confusion, I’ve picked a different handle – “Spiridon”. Hopefully, I am not repeating the same mistake and cause another wave of misdirected attention.
As to the topic of my original query, the useful responses helped paint a clearer picture of the level of opposition among the civilians to Zelensky’s rule. Such open display of resistance is rare in Ukraine, and, I’m assuming, not without potential consequences down the road for its participants. Although the number of protestors appears to have been small, one wonders how many protestors would have participated if Ukraine was anything close to resembling a democracy, and its people didn’t feel like the sword of Damocles was in full swing above their heads.
Anyway, to avoid going down a rabbit hole analyzing what it could all mean, if anything, I’ll just say that “something is brewing amongst the masses” who might just re-enact Bastille’s famous guillotine moment, if the opportunity will arise. At least, that’s my opinion, and most of you might already think, as one response I received said: “It’s not rocket science”.

Posted by: Spiridon | Jul 24 2025 10:47 utc | 84

Welcome Spiridon 👍🏼

Posted by: Featherless | Jul 24 2025 11:46 utc | 85

Posted by: Spiridon | Jul 24 2025 10:47 utc | 84
You seem to believe those protests are genuine. That view is shared by only very few posters here. Most of us think it’s instigated from three letter agencies, mostly American, maybe with a European flair.
Personally, I think there is no doubt. The photos of very orderly, obviously well organized & very young people with a striking similarity to the Georgian crowds recently, and not the least, the content of the “protests”, all of this point to CIA et al.

Posted by: Avtonom | Jul 24 2025 12:18 utc | 86

“The depressing thing is that the Trump regime made a big deal out of abolishing USAID and the NED, but somehow the money is still getting out there to these color revolutionists.”
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:11 utc | 35
Actually according to Brian Berletic NED is still operative:
“US President Trump Streamlined the National Endowment for Democracy, not Dismantle[d] it”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw_6vFtC7gw
Posted by: George | Jul 24 2025 1:21 utc | 64
<=I think on Monday I saw on TV that a court ordered Trump to restart funds to the USAID.. what i have not found is the legal basis on which a court can refuse a Presidents order to change, redirect or terminate funds to a NGO.. When did NGOs get entitlements? The USA court system is difficult..

Posted by: snake | Jul 24 2025 13:15 utc | 87

This video much broader protest … the children of the Maidan of 2014 …
Anti-corruption crackdown protest in Kyiv. All major cities are protesting the Ukrainian government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhLKEn-yXM4&t=2s
Kyiv Protests Tonight: Zelensky Needs to Hear Them. It’s not just about one law!

Posted by: Oui | Jul 24 2025 13:27 utc | 88

Near the Franko Theatre in Kyiv, protesters recalled a chant from 2014; the corresponding footage from the rally was published by the Ukrainian publication Strana.ua.
https://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/68816ac69a7947b623259f9a

Posted by: Oui | Jul 24 2025 13:28 utc | 89

Such open display of resistance is rare in Ukraine

Everything about these protests is suspicous and smells of orchestrated maneuvers. They are as organic as the Maidan protests – that is, not organic at all.
This is my view and as far as I can tell the view of the majority of observers and analysts. A conspiracy of shadowy forces is at work; the US’s very powerful soft power machine. These forces are very successful, even planting the notion deep into the collective psyche that such conspiracies do not exist, while they actually are the rule rather than the exception. No matter where in the world, mass protests do not just happen. They require networks and money and preparation.
Propaganda is thousands of years old, but propaganda techniques have made huge progress since the century of the self – the 20th century. The dissection of the human psyche with scientific precision has helped to control masses without clumsy traces, without overt coercion. The torture chambers are now more of a spectacle than actual means of control. The pleasure dens are more effective.

Posted by: Hamburger | Jul 24 2025 13:45 utc | 90

On Zelya…
https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1948342391003299927
“Suddenly everyone noticed that he is a dictator, a theif, that his circle is corrupt, that no reforms are being carried out, that there is no opposition, that dissent is being persecuted. Well, well quite the revelation.”
Meanwhile, back in Carney’s Canada…
https://x.com/UCCToronto/status/1948368263039045697
“Canada walks for Ukraine!”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 24 2025 14:26 utc | 91

Avtonom@86…..the biggest tell is always the placards the protesters carry, especially in a foreign country, say like 404. If the protest signs are written in English, the protests are western sponsored, period. Those type protests are for the cameras, carrying the message back home to a western audience……
Cheers M
…..if those signs are written in any language other than English, no one in the western audience would give a rats ass, even if the presenter translated it, or close-captioned on screen…..in one eye out the other….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 24 2025 14:35 utc | 92

Prison exchange – but no progress on the cessation on hostilities.
“Russia and Ukraine have agreed to exchange 1,200 prisoners of war and the remains of fallen soldiers, but made no progress toward ending the conflict during peace talks on Wednesday in Istanbul.
The third round of negotiations, hosted by Turkey and attended by high-ranking officials including Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, lasted just 40 minutes. The Kremlin had signaled beforehand that the discussions would be “difficult.”
“No one expects an easy road,” said Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov ahead of the talks.
The head of the Ukrainian delegation, Rustem Umerov, who also serves as secretary of Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, confirmed the limited progress. “We have progress on the humanitarian track, with no progress on a cessation of hostilities,” he said, noting that Kiev continues to press for the release of civilians.
Russian negotiator Vladimir Medinsky proposed a series of 24- to 48-hour ceasefires to facilitate the recovery of bodies. He emphasized that any future meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should result in a signed agreement rather than serve as an open-ended discussion.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 24 2025 14:38 utc | 93

Spiridon@84…..the Disco Lights shine bright in Kiev and Lviv every night, that’s where most young Ukies are, dancing the night away, Rocking in the Free World…..there is no war in 404 as far as they are concerned and at the moment conscription is not an issue for them……that revolution, will not be televised….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 24 2025 14:41 utc | 94

Let’s take a moment to note the utterly obvious: that Maidan 2.0 clearly shares with Maidan 1.0 robust Western sponsorship.
Barf-bag alert: In case you weren’t previously acquainted with the overt hammerlock of so-called “intelligence” agencies over the entire Wiki, Maidan 1.0 is now listed there under the (scrupulously objective) label “Revolution of Dignity.” Can it get any better than this?
Eleven years ago, pro-obesity provocateur Victoria Nuland made desert-snack history by handing out cookies in Maidan Square. Surely some of us can remember that, and recognize that Nuland has her cookies in the oven again, as we speak. That’s the significance of Maidan 2.0: PTB disposing of Z, using the exact same pseudo-democratic weapons which took out Yanukovych.
Our agitprop machine is virtually united in describing Maidan 2.0 as an uprising on the part of people of Ukraine, yet another “Revolution of Dignity” — which totally seals the case that the opposite is true. Z is high, far past the point where “the nice way” would be on the table. Sy Hersh foresees Z leaving office “feet first,” and soon.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 24 2025 14:47 utc | 95

See above videos … Home-made placards none in English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJTVCWbbxg
A new wave of protests confronts Zelensky’s attempt to dismantle anti-corruption agencies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2k7ZhWcVR8

Posted by: Oui | Jul 24 2025 14:58 utc | 96

”…if those signs are written in any language other than English, no one in the western audience would give a rats ass…”
And why should anyone in the West give a rats ass about what is supposed to be an internal issue in somebody else’s country? Why is it so important to the ”protestors” that Americans be involved in a domestic issue in their country?
Reaching out for foreign interference in domestic affairs is arguably treason.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 24 2025 15:02 utc | 97

Yep, Occupy was definitely not a color revolution, unlike the 2020 Floyd riots. There are only two times in recent history I can recall Americans being so united. One was Occupy, the other was Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself.
So yeah, they immediately started on the divide and conquer BLM, CRT, 1619 Project to divide us by race, and the trans thing to divide us by reality-based people vs virtue signalers. There went the 99%, fighting amongst ourselves.
And now they have turned the revulsion at sex predators that came out during the Epstein “suicide” narrative, into a Blue vs Red narrative.
Sigh. We’re so easy.
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:21 utc | 37
Well, they play on our own anti racism, which is a great thing in the abstract. Nonetheless, that game is up. Nobody but Dems will ever blindly obey to every cry of “racism” in my lifetime.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2025 15:25 utc | 98

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 23 2025 20:21 utc | 37
The Seattle police pulled divide and conquer tactics at occupy Seattle well. I have a couple stories about how they did it, but dont feel like writing them out. But one of them was a new “brown caucus” of people wanted to rename “Occupy Seattle” to “Occupy/Decolonize Seattle”, and any criticism of the suggestion had a couple of new black guys and two brown girls crying “wypipo just dont want to listen to us”. My friend quit after that night.
However, there was also a blunder on occupy’s part, where the “leaders” decided to start the night sessions (cant remember what they were called) with “stacked calling” that very night, and there was a new guy leading (not new to camp, but not the normal leader), meaning that “marginalized people always got called first, eg white men were never called upon to speak.
And right as the arguments started to get heated about Occupiers and how racist they are, the police snuck around back and raided all the paintings that had been painted that day…
But hey, Lumpen Proletariat and all, Marx knew Occupy would never “work”.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 23 2025 20:39 utc | 38
More on this topic, team.
Occupy, like every grassroots progressive movement in the US for 100 years, failed because Dems, crypto and otherwise, were allowed into it. There will be no forward movement unless it’s based on absolute opposition to the Dem party, rejection of their talking points and all who support them in any way. That should be much easier today. They are undisputably a party not just of billionaires, but of Zionist genocide.
History is a wicked step mother. You can learn from taking her beatings.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 24 2025 15:32 utc | 99

Senator Graham Lindsay has made aatatement re z…it comes across that he is a rather regretfully miffed that z has rashly taken the corruption action on his own without consulting his masters , as previously it was and still remains -hopefully-for both Ukraine and USA still to be working together closely on anticorruption measures…..
partnership now broken?

Posted by: Jo | Jul 24 2025 15:41 utc | 100