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July 20, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-162
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Basing the argument on ideological grounds – Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 20 2025 12:33 utc | 1 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 18th July 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-564 Posted by: The Busker | Jul 20 2025 12:36 utc | 2 The kissingerarians are furious with Trump as he pushes Russia and China even closer after his recent announcements on Ukraine. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 20 2025 12:40 utc | 3 Anonymous memorial hour Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2025 13:15 utc | 4 From Rt.com: Posted by: NoName | Jul 20 2025 13:21 utc | 5 Full article: Posted by: jpc | Jul 20 2025 13:33 utc | 6 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 20 2025 12:40 utc | 3 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 20 2025 13:52 utc | 7
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/23096 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 20 2025 14:12 utc | 8 Spectator: Since 2022, Ukraine has officially opened about 230,804 criminal cases under the article “Desertion” Posted by: jpc | Jul 20 2025 14:15 utc | 9 Biden this, Trump that, TDS here and there. All nonsense, they are all the same – empire – there is no choice in the west – it’s continuity – empire or death. Stop with the nonsense – hope we can believe in and MAGA are the same trick coming from a different side. Posted by: Eol | Jul 20 2025 14:23 utc | 10 Spectator: Since 2022, Ukraine has officially opened about 230,804 criminal cases under the article “Desertion” Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2025 14:32 utc | 11 Zelensky wants to meet Putin in person. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 14:32 utc | 12 The Neo-Nazi crushers cancel a military agreement with the one of the main Neo-Nazi supporters. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 14:34 utc | 13 The little French coke head Macron, has chosen his PM François Bayrou, to reduce public paid holidays to help fund a fantasy war with Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 14:42 utc | 14 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 14:42 utc | 14 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 20 2025 15:16 utc | 15 The little French coke head Macron, has chosen his PM François Bayrou, to reduce public paid holidays to help fund a fantasy war with Russia. Posted by: jpc | Jul 20 2025 15:26 utc | 16 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 14:32 utc | 12 Posted by: Caveman | Jul 20 2025 15:28 utc | 17 @Caveman | Jul 20 2025 15:28 utc Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 20 2025 15:32 utc | 18 So S has a new post (start is his take on B’s zelensky’s exit and S names B’s article) Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2025 15:39 utc | 19 “Spectator: Since 2022, Ukraine has officially opened about 230,804 criminal cases under the article “Desertion” Posted by: Thomas | Jul 20 2025 15:40 utc | 20 Another German big mouthed warmongering military man urges his Neo-Nazi buddies in Ukraine to strike deep into Russia – Germany’s support for the Neo-Naz’s and the Zionists knows no bounds. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:47 utc | 21 Musk turns his eye towards the kids – maybe he’ll ask Trump for advice. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:50 utc | 22 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 20 2025 15:32 utc | 18 Posted by: Caveman | Jul 20 2025 15:53 utc | 23 The last sentence is ironic as it suppresses freedoms – such as the freedom to support Communism. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:54 utc | 24 hope we can believe in and MAGA are the same trick coming from a different side. Posted by: Markw | Jul 20 2025 15:55 utc | 25 As the EU and Nato propagandise citizens to expect a war with Russia – Italians aren’t buying it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:59 utc | 26 For Newbie, but any can comment. Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2025 16:27 utc | 27 20 – Probably a combination of the two. Kiev has generally paid attention to its propaganda image, and admitting to a six-figure number of desertion cases is not a particularly good look, even though the temptation to avoid compensation claims by marking someone as a deserter rather than dead must be there. Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 20 2025 16:31 utc | 28 There’s a bomb waiting for Pootin the moment he goes to a despicable country like Turkey. Of course Ukie will be the fall guy as normal and get bitch slapped as per agreement between Russia and US/NATO. Posted by: Surferket | Jul 20 2025 16:42 utc | 29 Video clip of protests in Ternopil region: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/07/20/1530687.html
And this is in Western Ukraine, where support for the Kiev junta is supposed to be the deepest. I guess they’re not so keen on being “The last Ukrainian”. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 17:03 utc | 30 TDS; A partial accounting of the pandemics cost Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 20 2025 17:04 utc | 31 Posted by: Markw | Jul 20 2025 15:55 utc | 25 Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2025 17:06 utc | 32 And this is in Western Ukraine, where support for the Kiev junta is supposed to be the deepest. I guess they’re not so keen on being “The last Ukrainian”. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 20 2025 17:18 utc | 33 The TCC press-gangs seem intent on destroying their own credibility, and by implication that of the Kiev junta:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/odesskaya/1753021214-likarya-z-harkova-pobili-do-reanimatsiyi-pid-chas-zatrimannya-pratsivnikami-z-ttsk-v-odesi (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 17:20 utc | 34 Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 20 2025 17:04 utc | 31 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 17:20 utc | 35 Markw 25, Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 20 2025 17:36 utc | 36 @S Brennan | Jul 20 2025 17:39 utc | 38 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 20 2025 17:42 utc | 39 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 17:20 utc | 35 Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2025 17:52 utc | 40 24 – So Pavel was a former KSC member. It is pretty obvious that a great many in all socialist countries were basically careerists. It was said that there were a lot of party members, but few actual Communists. The evolution of people like Pavel underlines that. Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 20 2025 18:23 utc | 41 Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2025 17:52 utc | 40 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 18:45 utc | 42 and just like that…reappears…hmmm? Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 18:47 utc | 43 “Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky has once again called for a personal meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying this is the only way to secure a lasting peace. Moscow considers this pointless until the countries’ delegations find some common ground. . .”
Whilst enjoying the benefits accruing from the dollar system, the American public is markedly uninterested in understanding just how such a disproportionate share of the worlds resources and industrial output ends up in their hands, in constrast to just how little the US actually produces. Connecting those dots might lead to a focused view of those unsavory bits. Can’t have that. Better to continue in ignorant bliss and accept the slogans. Posted by: Mike R | Jul 20 2025 19:16 utc | 44 For Newbie, but any can comment. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2025 19:21 utc | 45 For some reason Russia has activated the Volchansk front in the last few days. For those who haven’t looked at a map lately, this is a border area to the north-east of Kharkov city and has been fairly low-profile until now, with nothing more dramatic than minor holding skirmishes taking place:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 19:29 utc | 46 @44 Posted by: Fred777 | Jul 20 2025 19:36 utc | 47 Hot off the press, a new Marat update: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-20th focussing on developments around Konstantinavka. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 19:37 utc | 48 🇩🇪🏴☠️🇺🇦 Germany plans to buy Patriot missiles for Ukraine worth 5 billion euros, said the head of the German AfD party, Alice Weidel. Posted by: Jo | Jul 20 2025 19:58 utc | 49 For some reason Russia has activated the Volchansk front in the last few days. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 20 2025 20:18 utc | 50 For some reason Russia has activated the Volchansk front in the last few days. Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 20 2025 20:19 utc | 51 German government could reduce the electricity price for Germans by canceling a tax of 5.4 billion euros per year. Posted by: rk | Jul 20 2025 20:23 utc | 52 Paranaense | Jul 20 2025 13:52 utc | 7 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 20:26 utc | 53 Is a very bad look and straight out of the Kissinger play book. Larry Johnson should have known better. Posted by: Naive | Jul 20 2025 20:40 utc | 54
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jul 20 2025 20:19 utc | 51 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 20:57 utc | 55 Posted by: Eol | Jul 20 2025 14:23 utc | 10
while hedging their bets. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 21:12 utc | 56 Posted by: rk | Jul 20 2025 20:23 utc | 52 Posted by: Eol | Jul 20 2025 21:16 utc | 57 Johan Kaspar | Jul 20 2025 15:16 utc | 15
Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Jul 20 2025 21:54 utc | 58 “Bouquets” of Geraniums reportedly airborne tonight, from several channels. Tu-95s and MiG-31Ks also reported to be active. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 21:55 utc | 59 Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:54 utc | 24 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2025 22:00 utc | 60 Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:54 utc | 24 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 20 2025 22:06 utc | 61 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 20 2025 15:54 utc | 24 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 22:25 utc | 62 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 19:29 utc | 46 Posted by: watcher | Jul 20 2025 22:34 utc | 63 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 20 2025 19:29 utc | 46 Posted by: watcher | Jul 20 2025 22:35 utc | 64 Posted by: Markw | Jul 20 2025 15:55 utc | 25 Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 20 2025 23:05 utc | 65 Whilst enjoying the benefits accruing from the dollar system, the American public is markedly uninterested in understanding just how such a disproportionate share of the worlds resources and industrial output ends up in their hands, in constrast to just how little the US actually produces. Connecting those dots might lead to a focused view of those unsavory bits. Can’t have that. Better to continue in ignorant bliss and accept the slogans. Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 20 2025 23:09 utc | 66 https://greencrowasthecrowflies.ca/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/image-5.png?w=680 Posted by: Naive | Jul 20 2025 23:32 utc | 67 Posted by: Jo | Jul 20 2025 19:58 utc | 49 Posted by: Surferket | Jul 20 2025 23:57 utc | 68 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 20 2025 15:16 utc | 15 Posted by: Naive | Jul 21 2025 0:09 utc | 69 “…same issue for the past 2 days. I’ll add a comment..refresh and it’s there. Then [gone]. Then [later], everything is back” – Tom_Q_Collins 43 Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 21 2025 0:29 utc | 70 @Caveman | Jul 20 2025 15:53 utc | 23, who asked re: Zelensky meeting with Putin, possibly to negotiate an survival path for himself:
Caveman: as you pointed out, Budanov would ostensibly be there to prevent such a discussion, but Budanov has the Zelensky problem, even worse. If somehow Zelensky gets asylum, Budonov is beyond toast. Zelensky has to get out with himself and (possibly) his wife; he’s got his parents installed already in Israel (my understanding, pls correct if I’m off-base). Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 21 2025 1:00 utc | 71 Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 21 2025 0:29 utc | 70 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 1:01 utc | 72 Tom Pfotzer @ 71:
… until such time as the UK finds keeping Zelensky and his wife Elena in the manner they are accustomed to, proves too onerous, or the neighbours complain about too many coke parties at their country mansion. Posted by: Refinnejenna | Jul 21 2025 1:14 utc | 73 DNI Release Reveals Obama Admin Criminality Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 21 2025 1:28 utc | 74 “Each of the 27 Obama Admin officials at this White House meeting is a criminal in fabricating Russiagate lies to advance US Ukraine war aims.” Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 1:43 utc | 75 It’s both comical and indicative of a totally fucked up worldview to think (or want for) previous US presidential administrations will (to) be criminally prosecuted for laughably common things like treason or cheating the other party when all of them, if the door is opened for the previous type of prosecution, would suddenly be on the hook for all the literal war crimes and crimes against humanity they commit at the direction of the deep-state/overworld nexus – plus the political will would have to be there on the part of both sides of the uniparty inasmuch as (job requirement) executive crimes are concerned. Again, LOL. IF Obama gets dragged into any sort of criminal trial for staging Russiagate, I’ll fuckin eat my shoes…and my boots. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 1:49 utc | 76 Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 21 2025 0:29 utc | 70 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 21 2025 1:50 utc | 77 @ S Brennan | Jul 21 2025 0:29 utc | 70 Posted by: james | Jul 21 2025 2:01 utc | 78 new feature at moa i guess… just relax.. your post goes thru and then disappears for a few minutes and then comes back.. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 21 2025 2:05 utc | 79 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 1:43 utc | 75 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 21 2025 2:08 utc | 80 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 21 2025 2:08 utc | 80 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 2:15 utc | 81 @ malenkov | Jul 21 2025 2:05 utc | 79 Posted by: james | Jul 21 2025 2:15 utc | 82 Good god some are so naive. So much so that their partisan or naive wishes are projected onto my cynical but accurate view of reality. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 2:19 utc | 83 james | Jul 21 2025 2:15 utc | 82 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 21 2025 2:21 utc | 84 Posted by: james | Jul 21 2025 2:15 utc | 82 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 2:21 utc | 85 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 17:20 utc | 35 Posted by: snake | Jul 21 2025 2:40 utc | 86 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 21 2025 2:15 utc | 81 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 21 2025 2:46 utc | 87 Ukrainians were definitely projecting their own slave mentality on Russia. Posted by: 15 | Jul 21 2025 2:50 utc | 88 ‘The Ukraine conflict has turned many geopolitical givens upside down…’ Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 21 2025 2:55 utc | 89 Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 20 2025 17:39 utc | 38 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 21 2025 2:55 utc | 90 presumptive immunity defined Posted by: Laurence | Jul 21 2025 3:22 utc | 91 Tom Pfotzer | Jul 21 2025 1:00 utc | 71 Posted by: Cynic | Jul 21 2025 3:25 utc | 92 Tulsi Gabbard Teases More Details of ‘Obama Coup Plot’ (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 21 2025 3:34 utc | 93 Posted by: Surferket | Jul 20 2025 23:57 utc | 68 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 21 2025 3:47 utc | 94 paranoia and conspiracy / coincidence theorists – we’re a real pair, lol… Posted by: james | Jul 21 2025 3:56 utc | 95 TNA: Brian Berletic Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 21 2025 6:07 utc | 96 I wonder if anyone shares the same view that Ukraine is not the issue, just like nuclear weapons was never the issue with Iran. Posted by: Suresh | Jul 21 2025 6:26 utc | 97 Posted by: Milites | Jul 20 2025 16:27 utc | 27 Posted by: pepe | Jul 21 2025 6:39 utc | 98 Posted by: Eol | Jul 20 2025 21:16 utc | 57 Posted by: pepe | Jul 21 2025 6:52 utc | 99 Posted by: pepe | Jul 21 2025 6:39 utc | 98 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 21 2025 6:56 utc | 100 |
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