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July 17, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-159
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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So 1.185 casualties Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 13:10 utc | 1 Would it be considered illegal chemical warfare if Ukraine were to locate military resources near liquid Ammonia lines with intent to blame the likely disaster, an attack might cause, on Russia….? anyone know anything about this.. comments on several websites in the past week have mentioned variations of this kind of thing so I think somebody knows something? Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 13:14 utc | 2 I don’t think that even a major ammonia leak would present more than a nuisance. No real effect would be gained. Posted by: Catilina | Jul 17 2025 13:42 utc | 3
Prolonged exposure is fatal. Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 17 2025 14:02 utc | 4 Two Arrested in Georgia for Attempted Sale of Uranium Posted by: guest | Jul 17 2025 14:27 utc | 5
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:45 utc | 6 “snake”: yes it is a war crime to do so and can be so even without any ammonia, it can be multiple war crimes depending on the details/context. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7 And I kind of glossed over the chemical warfare aspect since it would be a war crime regardless, but it too might apply although I’m not entirely sure releasing stored ammonia qualifies (it probably does; it is a hazardous chemical and a strong irritant and can easily combine with other stuff like bleach to create even worse things (people sometimes do this by accident using household products)). Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 15:06 utc | 8 Three Rational Calculations by Trump’s Men That They Can Win Their War Against Russia or Escape Voter Blame if They Lose It (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9
https://x.com/DlugajJuly/status/1945880484845875305 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 16:55 utc | 10 Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 13:14 utc | 2
I would worry more about doing myself an injury as I cough myself inside out after a good lungful. Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 17:13 utc | 11 With a bit of luck it will be true and Russia will go a long way to finishing the job at hand – or maybe its just US/Ukraine propaganda. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:32 utc | 12 If it comes to a all-out conflict with Russia Nato will attack Kaliningrad first – Nato has already planned for it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:48 utc | 13 So 1.185 casualties Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 17:57 utc | 14 Vid from Patrick Lancaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwfsYOjL8HQ Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 17 2025 18:10 utc | 15 Dropped a bottle of 32% ammonium once..bottle covered in plastic but it still cracked and plastic tore.it can asphyxiate causing death. I vacated very very quickly.Good job I did. Posted by: Jo | Jul 17 2025 18:10 utc | 16 Ammonia can be dangerous enough on its own:
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Source: Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 17 @9 Posted by: paddy | Jul 17 2025 18:19 utc | 18 @ Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:48 utc | 13 Posted by: boneless | Jul 17 2025 18:23 utc | 19 Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 17 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 18:51 utc | 20 Ammonia is nasty, but I wouldn’t classify it a major hazard. It is not a systemically poisonous gas, and can be dealt with fairly easily (it is very water soluble and can be neutralised easily). It is also relatively light so disperses very quickly. I’d rate it below SO2 or Cl2 or NO2 (none of which are poisonous) as a major hazard if it got out in any quantity. There is a reason why it wasn’t used in WW1…. Posted by: Cornelius Pipe | Jul 17 2025 19:27 utc | 21 starting from 2028 over 7 years….EU is budgeting maybe for 88billion to pass onto Ukraine…not sure if a gift or loan or what…… Posted by: Jo | Jul 17 2025 19:27 utc | 22 @Jo 22 Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 17 2025 19:47 utc | 23 There is no difference between a gift to Ukraine or a loan to Ukraine (which it will never pay back). Posted by: Poetinvriend | Jul 17 2025 20:26 utc | 24 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9 Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Jul 17 2025 20:38 utc | 25 25 – “He cannot think” Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 17 2025 20:43 utc | 26
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/23037 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 21:00 utc | 27 Just caught this link on the MSN home page. Posted by: Mike R | Jul 17 2025 21:03 utc | 28 Ammonia is much more useful in making ammonium nitrate and then explosives. Splashing it around out in the open won’t do much. The volumes needed to be more than just an annoyance within a kilometer of the leak would be enormous. Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 21:17 utc | 29 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 17:57 utc | 14 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30 Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times? Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 17 2025 21:23 utc | 31 I’ve seen some crazy videos featuring FPVs, but the courage this Russian soldier shows is just nuts. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7 Posted by: nobody | Jul 17 2025 22:03 utc | 33
Supporter: “Governor, you have the support of every thinking person.” Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 22:09 utc | 34 Just notice this over at sonar21.. interesting the whole article .. here is the title and lead in. Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 22:33 utc | 35 I don’t think the US is even significant anymore in Russia’s SMO in Ukraine. It’s really the same as the US has been for man years, lots of talk, lots of noise, lots of hot air and getting upset, but no real action. Trump continues to just bloviate and change his erratic mind, and without the bullshit US press we would have known the truth a long time ago. Posted by: George | Jul 17 2025 22:54 utc | 36
Too high of a intellect is a liability in that type of job. There is a tendency in intellectuals to overthink things and constantly require more information. Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 17 2025 22:58 utc | 37 @karlof1 | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 21:45:00 GMT | 32
Medal of Honor type stuff. I guess you could flip a drone belly-up to disable its movements? Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 23:13 utc | 38 George @36: ”I don’t think the US is even significant anymore in Russia’s SMO in Ukraine. ” Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 23:13 utc | 39 @Fool Me Twice | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 22:58:00 GMT | 37
Politicians also need to be good at speaking. Not only as convincing public rhetors, but also in how they choose to frame issues, picking the right words and all, and do that consistently on the fly whenever a microphone pops up. Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 23:19 utc | 40 Assuming the Ukrainian army counts 750,000 men. The whole of non-occupied Ukraine is about 450,000 km2. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 41 @snake | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 13:14:00 GMT | 2
It’s more in line with customary international law, and it’s a borderline case. The 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions outlawed the use of chemical weapons in war – studiously ignored in WWI. The 1925 Geneva Protocol reinforced the ban, on the use of chemical weapons, but not their possession. The 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention outlaws the possession of said chemical weapons. Outside of the Iran-Iraq war, and Iraq itself, chemical weapons use mostly fell out of favor as a weapon of war. Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 42 persiflo @40: Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 23:39 utc | 43 @Waldorf | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:43:00 GMT | 26
Do any voters? Do intellectuals make good leaders? Leaders need to be decisive, are intellectuals decisive or do they think the problems too much? A long time ago Bill Clinton had once said the American people would rather their Presidents be “strong and wrong,” then “weak and right.” I think that’s true for just about every country. Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:41 utc | 44 @snake 35
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https://www.innovatuscp.com/team Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 17 2025 23:44 utc | 45 “In the Donetsk region, Russian forces are now only 5km east of the town of Rodynske, one of the last remaining supply routes for the Ukrainians in Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:47 utc | 46 @Sunny Runny Burger | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 14:56:00 GMT | 7
It would be the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907. The Geneva Protocol was added in 1925, after the copious use of mustard gas in WWI. But that is the extent of “prohibiting chemical warfare” in formal international law. Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:49 utc | 47 CrossTalk: Trump Goes Biden Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 23:52 utc | 48 Assuming the Ukrainian army counts 750,000 men. The whole of non-occupied Ukraine is about 450,000 km2. Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 18 2025 0:14 utc | 49 Ukraine will allow foreign arms makers to test their latest weapons on the battlefield against Russia. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50 @Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7 Posted by: Leuk | Jul 18 2025 0:39 utc | 53 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:22 utc | 52 Posted by: George | Jul 18 2025 1:04 utc | 54 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50 Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 18 2025 1:12 utc | 55 Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 17 2025 21:23 utc | 31 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 1:34 utc | 56 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 22:09 utc | 34 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 1:41 utc | 57 Zelensky: Putin does not want to end his brutal war – Here’s what Trump can do | New York Post Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 18 2025 1:46 utc | 58 Just on general principles, I suspect the reason Trump is not happy with Putin is that the latter wouldn’t assure the former that his buddies could have the rare earth minerals that Zelensky had promised them. Bummer! Posted by: ThisOldMan | Jul 18 2025 1:54 utc | 59 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 41 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:22 utc | 52 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:59 utc | 61 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:20 utc | 62 No Mel. He comes from a city Dnipro Oblast. Russia will need to secure Donetsk first, but perhaps in 2026. Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9
LOL! Wishful thinking. How much time to destroy all foreign yankee bases and carriers? We saw how powerful a carrier was against Yemen. Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:44 utc | 64 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:20 utc | 62 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 3:05 utc | 65 Re: Sumy Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:06 utc | 66 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:44 utc | 64 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 67 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63 Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 68 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 67 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 18 2025 3:29 utc | 69 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50 Posted by: George | Jul 18 2025 3:51 utc | 70 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 4:02 utc | 71 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 4:02 utc | 71 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:51 utc | 72 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:57 utc | 73 General Donahue: Kaliningrad Could Be Wiped Out Faster Than Ever Before Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:12 utc | 74 Mark Milley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley
Doesn’t even mention Soleimani Posted by: Laurence | Jul 18 2025 5:31 utc | 75 Donahue led the 82nd Airborne Division as it worked to secure Kabul’s airport during the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021 and is best known for being the last U.S. service member to leave the country after 20 years of war. Posted by: Nemesiss | Jul 18 2025 5:35 utc | 76 Ukraine’s Jewish men face forced conscription and death. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:58 utc | 77 O, the irony! Posted by: Laurence | Jul 18 2025 6:14 utc | 78 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2025 6:38 utc | 79 @ Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:12 utc | 74
I know someone who visited Kaliningrad recently. This general you are citing is a criminal that needs to be put behind bars, he is promoting war of aggression. Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2025 7:01 utc | 80 A new term: Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 8:29 utc | 81 I stick to my suspicion that Russia will go after Kharkov. it is just so close to the border and was clearly in their sights in 2022. Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 18 2025 9:02 utc | 82 Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2025 7:01 utc | 80 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2025 9:16 utc | 83 Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 18 2025 9:02 utc | 82 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 10:01 utc | 84
President Wilson was an intellectual and he was generally decisive … but he wasn’t a good leader. Posted by: Tel | Jul 18 2025 11:03 utc | 85 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, July 18th 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-564 Posted by: The Busker | Jul 18 2025 11:08 utc | 86
judging by the recent musings from duda and other polish officials on bandera, the oun etc, maybe the poles are not to fond of that part of ukraine be given to them. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 18 2025 11:12 utc | 87 It’s not only the Poles who are having difficulties with Banderites, so do the Hungarians:
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:33 utc | 88
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukrainians-have-lost-faith-in-zelensky/
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I’m increasingly getting the impression that there are serious divisions within the Western elites about whether or not to pull the rug from under the Kiev junta; this Spectator piece adds to that impression. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:59 utc | 89 Marat does a good description of some current wedges Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:14 utc | 90 ZH has a posting up with the title Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2025 12:21 utc | 91 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:59 utc | 89 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 12:26 utc | 92 I’m increasingly getting the impression that there are serious divisions within the Western elites about whether or not to pull the rug from under the Kiev junta; this Spectator piece adds to that impression. Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:37 utc | 93 What I got out of the posting is that Germany has agreed to send two more Patriot batteries to Ukraine…..how long before they are destroyed?….before they get installed? Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:40 utc | 94 Hungary has officially lodged a protest with Kyiv over the incident in Transcarpathia, where unknown individuals set fire to a church belonging to a Hungarian parish and left the inscription “Hungarians to the knives” on its walls. Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 18 2025 12:40 utc | 95 Trumpsplaining – variation of mansplaining. See mansplaining Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 18 2025 12:42 utc | 96 Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:57 utc | 73 Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 12:55 utc | 97 Aaaaand… just like that, voila, Pokrovsk is strategically insignificant
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 13:11 utc | 98 Andrei Martyanov puts up a picture of Major General Christian Freuding, Commanding officer of the planning and leadership staff of the Federal Ministry of Defence, and comes to no very flattering judgement as to his abilities in the military line. Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 18 2025 13:20 utc | 99 ArmChairGeneral@82…..I disagree, for Russia to ever have any kind of peace with the US it will have occupy and root out all the Nazis in Berlin, Paris, and if they don’t cross the channel to London they will be fucked over every fifty years for eternity…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 18 2025 13:25 utc | 100 |
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