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July 17, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-159

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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So 1.185 casualties
Daily details at Tass
https://tass.com/politics/1990683
Area and further details as made available later

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 13:10 utc | 1

Would it be considered illegal chemical warfare if Ukraine were to locate military resources near liquid Ammonia lines with intent to blame the likely disaster, an attack might cause, on Russia….? anyone know anything about this.. comments on several websites in the past week have mentioned variations of this kind of thing so I think somebody knows something?

Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 13:14 utc | 2

I don’t think that even a major ammonia leak would present more than a nuisance. No real effect would be gained.

Posted by: Catilina | Jul 17 2025 13:42 utc | 3

I don’t think that even a major ammonia leak would present more than a nuisance. No real effect would be gained.
Posted by: Catilina | Jul 17 2025 13:42 utc | 3

Prolonged exposure is fatal.
https://blog.msasafety.com/fgfd-gas-detectors-are-you-prepared-for-ammonia-gas-leaks/

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 17 2025 14:02 utc | 4

Two Arrested in Georgia for Attempted Sale of Uranium
The State Security Service of Georgia (SSSG) said on July 17 it arrested two persons – a Georgian citizen and a foreign national – in Batumi over the illegal sale and purchase of nuclear material, specifically radioactive uranium.
The arrests were made during a joint operation conducted by the SSSG’s Counterintelligence Department and the Special Operations Department.
“According to the agreement among the detainees, the illegal sale of uranium was planned for USD 3 million,” the SSSG stated, adding that it had “uncovered a transnational crime and prevented its potential development in various directions.”
An investigation has been launched under Article 230 of Georgia’s Criminal Code, which covers the illegal handling of nuclear material, equipment, radioactive waste, and substances. If convicted, the offense carries a sentence of five to 10 years in prison.
The SSSG said the seized uranium, based on its alpha and gamma radiation levels and source characteristics, could be used in explosive devices, terrorist attacks, or to inflict other severe, mass, and fatal consequences.

Posted by: guest | Jul 17 2025 14:27 utc | 5

Special Representative of the USA Kellogg has already left Ukraine.
While he was in Kiev, there were no attacks on the capital for six nights in a row.
Today will be the first night after his departure.

https://t.me/intelslava/77633

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:45 utc | 6

“snake”: yes it is a war crime to do so and can be so even without any ammonia, it can be multiple war crimes depending on the details/context.
I don’t remember the exact wording of what I’m thinking of since it’s over thirty years since I last read it and there’s absolutely no chance of me remembering exactly where it was (besides it being in a small military book/guide among many others like it on other subjects in the tiny platoon office) or which specific convention or protocol or agreement it came from (I thought it was the Geneva conventions but looking for it that seems not to be the case).
Any direct search I tried got swamped by better known things such as the protection of civilians and the criminality of attacking so-and-so and so on and not on this more passive item of indirectly putting civilians and civilian infrastructure at risk.
It’s kind of funny how little it gets mentioned seeing as how prevalent it is by for example the “Ukrainians”. Examples such as situating anti-air missiles inside cities clearly constitutes multiple war-crimes in each instance.
Sadly all of this gives credence to the notion that all such international humanitarian law is kind of pie in the sky. Especially these days.
Yes of course if everybody truly followed every rule then war would be impossible… that’s no secret.
Maybe someone else has a better more direct answer/reference to the specific rule I’m talking about?

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7

And I kind of glossed over the chemical warfare aspect since it would be a war crime regardless, but it too might apply although I’m not entirely sure releasing stored ammonia qualifies (it probably does; it is a hazardous chemical and a strong irritant and can easily combine with other stuff like bleach to create even worse things (people sometimes do this by accident using household products)).

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 15:06 utc | 8

Three Rational Calculations by Trump’s Men That They Can Win Their War Against Russia or Escape Voter Blame if They Lose It (& vid)
https://johnhelmer.net/three-rational-calculations-by-trumps-men-that-they-can-win-their-war-against-russia-or-escape-voter-blame-if-they-lose-it/
“…When Trump and Rutte accuse President Vladimir Putin of failing to negotiate seriously, the record reveals the opposite. Negotiating on the Ukraine war with Trump is proving to be impossible because Trump isn’t serious. That’s not his political decision; it’s his neuro-psychiatric handicap.
In the Russian decision-making now underway, there is an attempt to find the rational calculations in what Trump is meaning; that is to say, what Trump advisors, constituents, and officials are calculating when he himself is incapacitated.
The first of these, Russian sources believe, is that the Trump escalation is a pitch to prevent Trump’s domestic voter base, the MAGA enthusiasts in the battleground states which won the presidency for Trump last November, from deserting him.
The second calculation is that Russia is militarily and economically vulnerable to a combination of escalation of attacks inside Russia and sanctions on the oil trade outside. This is the strategy of the ‘bigger bear’, announced on CNN this week by former Trump and Biden Administration warfighter, Brett McGurk…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9

They call it Patriot ‘cause it dies for the flag without doing a damn thing.
The only thing it intercepts reliably is taxpayer money.

https://x.com/DlugajJuly/status/1945880484845875305

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 16:55 utc | 10

Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 13:14 utc | 2
Ammonia toxicity

The toxicity of ammonia solutions does not usually cause problems for humans and other mammals, as a specific mechanism exists to prevent its build-up in the bloodstream. Ammonia is converted to carbamoyl phosphate by the enzyme carbamoyl phosphate synthetase, and then enters the urea cycle to be either incorporated into amino acids or excreted in the urine.[134] Fish and amphibians lack this mechanism, as they can usually eliminate ammonia from their bodies by direct excretion. Ammonia even at dilute concentrations is highly toxic to aquatic animals, and for this reason it is classified as “dangerous for the environment”. Atmospheric ammonia plays a key role in the formation of fine particulate matter.[135]

I would worry more about doing myself an injury as I cough myself inside out after a good lungful.
Thank you for your concern on this matter.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 17:13 utc | 11

With a bit of luck it will be true and Russia will go a long way to finishing the job at hand – or maybe its just US/Ukraine propaganda.
“US & Ukraine intelligence agencies warn of an impending Russian Offensive in Ukraine within the next few weeks”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:32 utc | 12

If it comes to a all-out conflict with Russia Nato will attack Kaliningrad first – Nato has already planned for it.
“Christopher Donahoe, commander of the US Army in Europe and Africa and commander of NATO land forces, claims that the alliance has planned to quickly suppress the defensive potential of Russian forces in the Kaliningrad region, Defense News quotes him as saying:
“If you look at the Kaliningrad region… (it is) surrounded on all sides by NATO countries. There is absolutely no reason why we cannot suppress the A2AD zone (area of maneuver and access denial) from the country to deter Russia… faster than we ever could. We have already planned for it and developed (the necessary potential).”
Experts believe that such statements are not a strategy, but an attempt at intimidation against the background of growing uncertainty in the alliance itself. Words about the complete destruction of one of the Russian regions look provocative and thoughtless. Kaliningrad is a key part of Russia’s defense, and any attempts to put pressure on it will not go unanswered.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:48 utc | 13

So 1.185 casualties
Daily details at Tass
https://tass.com/politics/1990683
Area and further details as made available later
Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 13:10 utc | 1
As promised
DS gives +8.9 km²

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 17:57 utc | 14

Vid from Patrick Lancaster: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwfsYOjL8HQ
He covers the local development of a UAZ chassis-mounted 4-tube rocket launcher and its field test firings in the first part of the video, but the second part was much more interesting, as Patrick interviews the assistant battalion commander; it’s powerful, and all those trolls and NAFOs who think Russia is about to collapse or the government overthrown should watch and absorb this interview.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 17 2025 18:10 utc | 15

Dropped a bottle of 32% ammonium once..bottle covered in plastic but it still cracked and plastic tore.it can asphyxiate causing death. I vacated very very quickly.Good job I did.

Posted by: Jo | Jul 17 2025 18:10 utc | 16

Ammonia can be dangerous enough on its own:

“Breathing in low levels of ammonia may cause irritation to the eyes, nose and throat. High levels of ammonia may cause burns and swelling in the airways, lung damage and can be fatal. Ingestion of ammonia solutions can cause pain and burns throughout the digestive tract. In severe cases the respiratory system, stomach, and heart may be damaged, and death may follow.
Strong ammonia solutions may cause serious burns if splashed on the skin. At high concentrations, gases and fumes of ammonia can also cause corrosive damage to the skin. Splashes in the eye may cause damage which may be irreversible in some cases and can lead to loss of sight. The health effects of ammonia are usually immediate and long-term effects would not be expected after exposure to small amounts.”

Source:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/ammonia-properties-incident-management-and-toxicology/ammonia-general-information
Large tanks of ammonia carry some risk, even tanker trucks.
Only a few years ago:

“Five people killed after a multi-vehicle crash in Illinois died from exposure to a toxic chemical that spilled from an overturned semi-truck, the Effingham County Coroner’s Office said Tuesday.
A preliminary investigation shows the fatalities were the result of the “toxic chemical anhydrous ammonia exposure,” the coroner office told CNN via email. “No official cause of death will be released until the final autopsy report is completed.”
The victims were identified as Kenneth Bryan, 34, and his two children – Rosie, 7, and Walker, 10 – along with Danny J. Smith, 67, and Vasile Cricovan, 31, according to the coroner’s office.
The accident appears to have started when another vehicle tried to pass the semi-truck on Friday evening, the National Transportation Safety Board said Sunday.
The truck was carrying about 7,500 gallons of anhydrous ammonia at the time, according to the Illinois Environmental Protection Agency. The agency said early estimates indicate more than half – about 4,000 gallons – was released.”

Source:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/03/us/truck-crash-illinois-anhydrous-ammonia-deaths
Very nasty :C

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 17

@9
Trump has lost the base!
Make Aged pedos Great Again (MAGA) is a tiny part of his former base.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 17 2025 18:19 utc | 18

@ Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:48 utc | 13
More warmongering fantasies. All they ever want is a chance to bomb something. Whether it achieves anything is tertiary. It’s not Kaliningrad NATO has to worry about.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 17 2025 18:23 utc | 19

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 17
But the deaths were not as a result of toxicity, rather due to the severe irritation to the lungs causing asphyxiation. To get that you would have to be right next to the spillage.
Ammonia in the atmosphere some distance away would be unpleasant, but eminently survivable.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 18:51 utc | 20

Ammonia is nasty, but I wouldn’t classify it a major hazard. It is not a systemically poisonous gas, and can be dealt with fairly easily (it is very water soluble and can be neutralised easily). It is also relatively light so disperses very quickly. I’d rate it below SO2 or Cl2 or NO2 (none of which are poisonous) as a major hazard if it got out in any quantity. There is a reason why it wasn’t used in WW1….

Posted by: Cornelius Pipe | Jul 17 2025 19:27 utc | 21

starting from 2028 over 7 years….EU is budgeting maybe for 88billion to pass onto Ukraine…not sure if a gift or loan or what……

Posted by: Jo | Jul 17 2025 19:27 utc | 22

@Jo 22
It’s grift/slush fund.
I don’t remember these vile officials asking us ..
JB

Posted by: Judge Barbier | Jul 17 2025 19:47 utc | 23

There is no difference between a gift to Ukraine or a loan to Ukraine (which it will never pay back).

Posted by: Poetinvriend | Jul 17 2025 20:26 utc | 24

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9
The Helmer post before that one also had a Trump profiling, said to be from sources:
“… according to a source in a position to know, is that Trump’s mental disability is not that he is lying – he doesn’t aim to deceive. Rather, he is clinically incapable of understanding the logic, the evidence, the weight of options, and the sequence and consequence of actions. He cannot think; ergo, he cannot negotiate in good or even bad faith. He is, according to this Russian neurological diagnosis, a mentally incapacitated brain with only one reflex – the use of force to compel capitulation or effect destruction. ”

Posted by: JustSomeOldGuy | Jul 17 2025 20:38 utc | 25

25 – “He cannot think”
Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times?

Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 17 2025 20:43 utc | 26

🇷🇺 Statement by Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Maria Zakharova:
▪️Moscow considers itself entitled to use weapons against military facilities of countries that allow Kyiv to strike deep into Russia with its weapons.

https://t.me/geromanat/54706

Ukraine will soon receive long-range weapons systems produced in cooperation between Ukrainian and German defense companies, Merz said.

https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/23037

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 21:00 utc | 27

Just caught this link on the MSN home page.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/trump-diagnosed-with-chronic-venous-insufficiency-following-leg-swelling/ar-AA1INLNM?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=93d1de1ce1f64a3daaa1191e9600bfb1&ei=32
A common condition among old people who don’t walk enough. He’s going downhill mentally and physically. Seriously doubt that he will serve out his term.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 17 2025 21:03 utc | 28

Ammonia is much more useful in making ammonium nitrate and then explosives. Splashing it around out in the open won’t do much. The volumes needed to be more than just an annoyance within a kilometer of the leak would be enormous.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 21:17 utc | 29

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 17:57 utc | 14
Assuming the Ukrainian army counts 750,000 men. The whole of non-occupied Ukraine is about 450,000 km2.
At 8.9km2 per day, it would take Russia 138 year to occupy all of Ukraine. At 1185 dead Ukrainian soldiers per day, it would take a year and 9 months to eradicate the Ukrainian army.
The Ukrainian army is running out of men 80 times faster than Ukraine is running out of territory.

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30

Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times?
Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 17 2025 20:43 utc | 26
Good question! Can you miss what you don’t know?
The ‘Americans’ had intellectual leaders until the Europeans arrived.
A famous quote from Sitting Bull is: ‘If we must die, we will die in defence of our rights.’
The Native people elected a leader in times of war and were without rule in times of peace.
How many Christians are looking forward to the Last Judgement? And how many of them are intellectual?

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 17 2025 21:23 utc | 31

I’ve seen some crazy videos featuring FPVs, but the courage this Russian soldier shows is just nuts.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 17 2025 21:45 utc | 32

Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7
To quote a former associate from my mis-spent youth: “Its only a crime if you get caught AND convicted, and the whole purpose of a law is to be broken or it has no meaning.”
Who is going to catch them? And who is going to convict them? War crimes are a moot discussion at best, especially during a war.

Posted by: nobody | Jul 17 2025 22:03 utc | 33

Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times?
Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 17 2025 20:43 utc | 26

Supporter: “Governor, you have the support of every thinking person.”
Adlai Stevenson: “I’m afraid that won’t do, Madam; I need a majority.”
Stevenson went on to lose to Eisenhower.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 22:09 utc | 34

Just notice this over at sonar21.. interesting the whole article .. here is the title and lead in.
Russia Goes on the Offensive Against US Investors in an Odessa Port
https://sonar21.com/russia-goes-on-the-offensive-against-us-investors-in-an-odessa-port/
On July 14, Volodymyr Zelensky handed over to United States companies, the largest terminal of the Odessa port, Olimpex, following an international legal dispute. The new owners are the American investment companies, Argentem Creek Partners and Innovatus Capital Partners.
do we know who is the CEOs of these entities?

Posted by: snake | Jul 17 2025 22:33 utc | 35

I don’t think the US is even significant anymore in Russia’s SMO in Ukraine. It’s really the same as the US has been for man years, lots of talk, lots of noise, lots of hot air and getting upset, but no real action. Trump continues to just bloviate and change his erratic mind, and without the bullshit US press we would have known the truth a long time ago.

Posted by: George | Jul 17 2025 22:54 utc | 36

Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times?
Posted by: Waldorf | Jul 17 2025 20:43 utc | 26

Too high of a intellect is a liability in that type of job. There is a tendency in intellectuals to overthink things and constantly require more information.
The key to the job is hiring the right trusted people, delegating responsibility and follow up/through.
After the recent experience with an Autopen President, the question is when will they be ready for the first AI President?

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 17 2025 22:58 utc | 37

@karlof1 | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 21:45:00 GMT | 32

I’ve seen some crazy videos featuring FPVs, but the courage this Russian soldier shows is just nuts.

Medal of Honor type stuff. I guess you could flip a drone belly-up to disable its movements?

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 23:13 utc | 38

George @36: ”I don’t think the US is even significant anymore in Russia’s SMO in Ukraine. ”
That is certainly Trump’s intention, but he has to maintain the rhetorical hand waving to keep the TDS victims in the Establishment off balance or they might do something unfortunate and deeply regrettable. Just look at how they pissed and moaned about the strike on Iran just being theater instead of STFU and be thankful for the fact that we are not in another war. Morons would seriously be OK with thermonuclear Armageddon if it means they get to ”own the MAGA chuds!” Their brain damage really is that bad.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 23:13 utc | 39

@Fool Me Twice | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 22:58:00 GMT | 37

The key to the job is hiring the right trusted people, delegating responsibility and follow up/through.

Politicians also need to be good at speaking. Not only as convincing public rhetors, but also in how they choose to frame issues, picking the right words and all, and do that consistently on the fly whenever a microphone pops up.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 23:19 utc | 40

Assuming the Ukrainian army counts 750,000 men. The whole of non-occupied Ukraine is about 450,000 km2.
At 8.9km2 per day, it would take Russia 138 year to occupy all of Ukraine. At 1185 dead Ukrainian soldiers per day, it would take a year and 9 months to eradicate the Ukrainian army.
The Ukrainian army is running out of men 80 times faster than Ukraine is running out of territory.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30
Much assumptions, so Wow!
lately km2 averages are much higher, and kremlin wouldn’t want all of ukraine. Still I’d give 6 months to take all of 4 oblasts east of dnipro (+sumy&karkiv buffers), Putin mentioned 60 days (that I personally find short for even donetsk)
BUT as a bare minimum I’d say AFU needs no less than 120.000 constantly at an even reduced LOC (150-180 for current)
Can’t make divide by without knowing replenishment rate.
But can’t assume AFU has 750,000 men. Personally I’d consider less than half…
And RF mil doesn’t even count killed in vehicles, let alone in the back.
Seriously doubt AFU can do september without nato boots on the ground.
And it also explains putin’s 60 days.
Seems like marat took the day off today, so … good night

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 41

@snake | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 13:14:00 GMT | 2

Would it be considered illegal chemical warfare if Ukraine were to locate military resources near liquid Ammonia lines with intent to blame the likely disaster, an attack might cause, on Russia….? anyone know anything about this.. comments on several websites in the past week have mentioned variations of this kind of thing so I think somebody knows something?

It’s more in line with customary international law, and it’s a borderline case. The 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions outlawed the use of chemical weapons in war – studiously ignored in WWI. The 1925 Geneva Protocol reinforced the ban, on the use of chemical weapons, but not their possession. The 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention outlaws the possession of said chemical weapons. Outside of the Iran-Iraq war, and Iraq itself, chemical weapons use mostly fell out of favor as a weapon of war.
Stationing troops near a chemical plant, as long as there are no civilians put in immediate danger, as human shields for example, I don’t think would qualify as a war crime. Ammonia, in and of itself, is not classified as a chemical weapon. Russia could strike those troops, and may not hit the plant. Ukrainian troops could seek shelter inside the plant, or wherever the ammonia is stored. It might be foolish to do so, but not illegal.
You’d have to prove intent – that there was a specific trap to bait the Russians into striking at military targets based near flammable chemicals, hoping they would trigger explosions that would release a gas, so Ukraine could claim “chemical warfare” by Russia. That’s too intricate a plot, it’s not really chemical warfare as defined by the conventions (secondary explosions in war), the gas released would be minimal and not directed, as opposed to artillery shells, and too many variables for it to be of any practical use.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 42

persiflo @40:
Trump’s position is somewhat atypical in that he wasn’t the Establishment’s intended victor. As a consequence the mass media is absolutely adversarial and will try to sabotage and undermine everything he says. Trump thus has to calibrate his words to drive a reaction by the mass media, and the reaction to that reaction being his desired outcome. Kinda like a double bank shot in billiards every time he speaks. Doesn’t always work out, but surprisingly he nails it pretty frequently.
In any case, that is why Trump’s commentary seems erratic. It is just whatever is necessary to drive the knee-jerk response he needs from the mass media. That’s why the wise person focuses on the results, while the presstitutes (who are the opposite of wise) should gobble his words up.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 23:39 utc | 43

@Waldorf | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 20:43:00 GMT | 26

Have the Americans ever wanted an intellectual as President, at least in recent times?

Do any voters? Do intellectuals make good leaders? Leaders need to be decisive, are intellectuals decisive or do they think the problems too much? A long time ago Bill Clinton had once said the American people would rather their Presidents be “strong and wrong,” then “weak and right.” I think that’s true for just about every country.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:41 utc | 44

@snake 35
>do we know who is the CEOs of these entities?

Argentem Creek Partners is an emerging markets specialist investment firm committed to delivering value for investors and partners. The firm seeks to deliver uncorrelated emerging market alpha by investing in special situations and structured capital solutions.
Argentem Creek was founded in 2015 by Daniel Chapman and his former team from Cargill, Inc. subsidiary, Black River Asset Management. We are 100% employee-owned.

And:

David Schiff
Founding Partner
Mr. Schiff has an over twenty-five year career developing and investing in private equity, credit and real estate markets while focused on creating value for investors in special situations, emergent asset classes, private credit and asset-based investments. He has a vast depth of knowledge, expertise and experience within the investment segment and is known for his highly creative, disciplined and risk-sensitive approach to investing. Since 2016, Mr. Schiff is a founding partner of Innovatus Capital Partners LLC, serves as CEO and is Chairman of the Investment Committee

https://www.innovatuscp.com/team
I’ll do some more digging – I have access to WestLaw and can search for any lawsuits involving Schiff, Innovatus, or Argentem Creek.
And I can’t resist a dig – looks like Argentum is UP SCHITT’S CREEK with regard to the grain terminal!

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 17 2025 23:44 utc | 45

“In the Donetsk region, Russian forces are now only 5km east of the town of Rodynske, one of the last remaining supply routes for the Ukrainians in Pokrovsk and Myrnohrad.
The Russians have also resumed offensive operations against Udachne, west of Pokrovsk.”
Of course that still leaves the E50, maybe it’s time to go north from udachne…

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:47 utc | 46

@Sunny Runny Burger | Thu, 17 Jul 2025 14:56:00 GMT | 7

I don’t remember the exact wording of what I’m thinking of since it’s over thirty years since I last read it and there’s absolutely no chance of me remembering exactly where it was (besides it being in a small military book/guide among many others like it on other subjects in the tiny platoon office) or which specific convention or protocol or agreement it came from (I thought it was the Geneva conventions but looking for it that seems not to be the case).

It would be the Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907. The Geneva Protocol was added in 1925, after the copious use of mustard gas in WWI. But that is the extent of “prohibiting chemical warfare” in formal international law.
It became a part of customary international law, state practice, that chemical and biological weapons would not be used in war.
Iraq and Iran, South Africa a little bit, and Israel did not follow these customs. After the Iran-Iraq war and the Gulf war, the convention on outright banning chemical weapons was adopted. But snake’s scenario, I don’t believe, is covered under the previous conventions.

Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:49 utc | 47

CrossTalk: Trump Goes Biden
https://www.rt.com/shows/crosstalk/621527-trump-biden-ukraine-nato/
“In a dramatic reversal, Trump has embraced Biden’s Ukraine proxy war on Russia. American arms will be purchased by European NATO countries [and Carney’s Canada – a ‘silent partner’ of the Coalition of the Willing], then transferred to the Kiev region.
This will certainly prolong the conflict. This is now Trump’s war. CrossTalking with Craig Jardula, Patrick Henningsen, and Karen Kwiatkowski.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 23:52 utc | 48

Assuming the Ukrainian army counts 750,000 men. The whole of non-occupied Ukraine is about 450,000 km2.
At 8.9km2 per day, it would take Russia 138 year to occupy all of Ukraine. At 1185 dead Ukrainian soldiers per day, it would take a year and 9 months to eradicate the Ukrainian army.
The Ukrainian army is running out of men 80 times faster than Ukraine is running out of territory.
Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30
————-
A lot the “map porn” is nonsense, there are plenty of areas both armies move the without defined control plus they undercount RF gains.
Beyond that the advances will speed up as the Ukrainian military slowly withers away.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jul 18 2025 0:14 utc | 49

Ukraine will allow foreign arms makers to test their latest weapons on the battlefield against Russia.
Under the new “Test in Ukraine” program, companies can send weapons to Ukraine, provide remote training, and receive front-line performance feedback from Ukrainian forces.
Ukraine is especially seeking technologies for air defense, drone interception, AI-guided systems, and countermeasures against glide bombs. Other priorities include unmanned naval systems, electronic warfare tools, and AI-enabled fire control for artillery.
Source: Reuters

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50

persiflo | Jul 17 2025 23:13 utc | 38–
Yes, Hero of Russia most certainly.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 51

Has Zelensky’s home town been taken yet, or no?

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:22 utc | 52

@Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 17 2025 14:56 utc | 7
The text you read probably mentioned the 1993 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction (CWC).
https://www.opcw.org/chemical-weapons-convention
This international convention had been preceded by the Geneva Protocol of 17 June 1925 (Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare).

Posted by: Leuk | Jul 18 2025 0:39 utc | 53

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:22 utc | 52
It won’t be long in the scheme of things. On the way to Odessa along with Zaporizhzhia and Dnipro.

Posted by: George | Jul 18 2025 1:04 utc | 54

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50
It sounds like the book by Friedrich Dürrenmatt, The Assignment.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 18 2025 1:12 utc | 55

Posted by: BlindSpot | Jul 17 2025 21:23 utc | 31
“How many Christians are looking forward to the Last Judgement? And how many of them are intellectual?”
That’s a very confusing statement. Do you know anything at all about the Last Judgement? What sources are you using? Are you suggesting that there’s a correlation between someone’s intellect and how they fare in the Judgement? I have been taught that one’s standing in the Judgement depends on how well they measure up to God’s standards, not their intellectual ability. Your question is opaque to the point of being meaningless. Care to give it another go?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 1:34 utc | 56

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 22:09 utc | 34
Supporter: “Governor, you have the support of every thinking person.”
Adlai Stevenson: “I’m afraid that won’t do, Madam; I need a majority.”
Stevenson went on to lose to Eisenhower.”
Yes, American voters just love being treated with condescending, snide remarks.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 1:41 utc | 57

Zelensky: Putin does not want to end his brutal war – Here’s what Trump can do | New York Post
The SOB also said that Putin was lying to Trump.
Tiresome. I would like for it to end, including the Murdoch propaganda war. Maybe, just maybe, the Epstein files topic (US media fodder) will open some eyes.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 18 2025 1:46 utc | 58

Just on general principles, I suspect the reason Trump is not happy with Putin is that the latter wouldn’t assure the former that his buddies could have the rare earth minerals that Zelensky had promised them. Bummer!

Posted by: ThisOldMan | Jul 18 2025 1:54 utc | 59

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 17 2025 23:35 utc | 41
I have putting in a bit of work re the progress of this war (yes it is a war now, if not before).. Anyway of the 5 provinces already part of Russia
Crimea: all territory but there are vulnerabilities, especially from the black Sea
Luhansk: Essentially completely under Russian control. Perhaps some border skirmishes
Kherson: Everything East of the River is secure but I doubt Russia will act to tke the rest. matter of diplomacy only. Logistics just too hard, until the dam is rebuilt
Zaporizhia: Progress is hard and slow. I expect there will be/is a major offensive to take at least two more settlements but actually taking control of the Capital is way, way to hard. Perhaps as negotiation but not militarily 9or not this year anyway
Donetsk: This is Russia’s main focus just now and I expect about 7 more cities (pop > 5000) to be under Russian control in the next 60 days. Toretsk has already fallen and Chaviv yar is actually (FINALLY) getting close. The town of Rodinske seems on the point of falling and shortly after Pokrovsk and its twin Myrnohad will follow. I think Lyman and Kostianivka will also eventually fall, At the end of 90 days I expect only Kramatorsk and Slovianske to remain under Ukrainian control.
Then the others
Kharkov: There is progress but slow still. Nevertheless I have a gut feeling that Russia once it has got Donetsk well in hand will push for the capital and everything east of it. I think 6 months is within the bounds of possibility.
Sumy: Russia will be happy enough with a 5-10 K buffer zone.
Dnipro: Hmm! Big political decision to move on this oblast, but it is the key to Odessa and the rest of Kherson and Nikolayev. If the war is not settles by the end of 2025, I expect all 4 oblasts will see more fighting and Russia may get to odessa by the end of 2026.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:22 utc | 52
No Mel. He comes from a city Dnipro Oblast. Russia will need to secure Donetsk first, but perhaps in 2026.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:59 utc | 61

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60
Blablabla… You know nothing about the plans of the Russian Army. Nothing. Gut feeling, and you put the result here? Result of gut: shit. And no, it is still not a war, it is a Special Military Operation.
Hopefully you will never see what is a war. Nowadays.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:20 utc | 62

No Mel. He comes from a city Dnipro Oblast. Russia will need to secure Donetsk first, but perhaps in 2026.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:59 utc | 61

His hometown is Krivoy Rog. It is in the Dniepropetrosk Oblast. Writing this last name like you did means you are supporting the ukronazis.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:29 utc | 9
Very funny to read, so to speak. So… after Biden Parkinson and Alzheimer (remembering Reagan…), now again. Not only megalomaniac, but not even able to lace his shoes. Lacking coordination, mental disorder. And the TDS man (D=delusion) is still pretending there is a policy behind this madness.
Obsession is a kind of compulsive disorder.
From the blog:

Brett McGurk: […] the United States is a far more powerful country than Russia

LOL! Wishful thinking. How much time to destroy all foreign yankee bases and carriers? We saw how powerful a carrier was against Yemen.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:44 utc | 64

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:20 utc | 62
Oh for FFS. Surely you can grasp that when i said it was a “gut feel” i was OBVIOUSLY agreeing with you that it was not based on any data.
As for the stuff on Donetsk etc that is based ion current mappers an assessments. i was replying to Newbie who showed in a comment Ii missed that he/she was equally on top of the situation.
I stick to my suspicion that Russia will go after Kharkov. it is just so close to the border and was clearly in their sights in 2022.
As for nit picking about whether it is a war or an SMO I find that frankly just silly. Once the missiles started hitting infrastructure seriously it really makes no difference if you call it a war or an SMO. It is all bombs away.
It was certainly an SMO at the start, but I rather feel that that figleaf fell away about the time Bakhmut fell and the “counter offensive” started (and failed). You could almost call most of the activity in Donetsk etc as a Russian Civil war in which one side is backed by foreign powers. However it is only a name, and it does not matter much.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 3:05 utc | 65

Re: Sumy
I wonder why Russia doesn’t just raise it. Any pro-Russians there have likely already either left, been killed by the Azov nazis, or so old that they can’t leave their apartments. Announce a 24 hour window to evacuate, perhaps a humanitarian corridor could be blazed into the city from the north once the last of the dead-ender UAF forces take a trip to Hell.
It’s within tube artillery range already.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:06 utc | 66

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:44 utc | 64
Stooges like McGurk lack the compos mentis to understand geography. The US might be more powerful in certain areas, such as blue water navy, but geography is destiny. Russia is too far away, too big, and too protected by China in the East, Iran, and Afghanistan in the south, and buffer states like Belarus and now Ukraine.
The best the shitbirds can do is try to destabilize her with proxies in Eastern Europe, which certainly seems to be the plan. There is no hope of invading by land, and air power does not win wars.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 67

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63
“Writing this last name like you did means you are supporting the ukronazis.”
What is the proper spelling of one doesn’t support the Ukronazis? We in the West only know one way to spell it.

Posted by: Paranaense | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 68

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 3:10 utc | 67
##########
The delusion of superiority is how the Axis will continue to thwart and evade them.
As I understand it, if one is in Washington, one goes along with the consensus, regardless of what it is.
Original thinkers don’t get far.
And so, there is no one to tell the Emperor that he is parading around naked as a jaybird.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 18 2025 3:29 utc | 69

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 0:20 utc | 50
Sounds like an act of desperation to me. Not only “to the last Ukrainian” but to the last Guinea pig as well.

Posted by: George | Jul 18 2025 3:51 utc | 70

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 1:55 utc | 60
Blablabla… You know nothing about the plans of the Russian Army. Nothing. Gut feeling, and you put the result here? Result of gut: shit. And no, it is still not a war, it is a Special Military Operation.
Hopefully you will never see what is a war. Nowadays.
Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:20 utc | 62
As for the stuff on Donetsk etc that is based ion current mappers an assessments. i was replying to Newbie who showed in a comment Ii missed that he/she was equally on top of the situation.
I stick to my suspicion that Russia will go after Kharkov. it is just so close to the border and was clearly in their sights in 2022.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 3:05 utc | 65
Yes, just speculation.
I generally agree with Kharkov (what I call the 37E , 36E if ukraie does’t behave) but ONLY after Kramatorsk and Slovianske arte taken.
Think you missed the part where by winter AFU will have no meat to hold te line… even at the dniper
@naive, just speculation. Earlier I mentioned must know more to mention 60 days, maybe AFU numbers are even lower than i think

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 4:02 utc | 71

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 4:02 utc | 71
Yes I think you are right. They need those two big cities in Donetsk, before going for Kharkov. I guess my only feeling is that, they went hard for Kharkov in 2022, and did not withdraw, as they did around Kiev. Their withdrawal was in this case forces (it was NOT in Kherson, which was strategic), but Kharkov was sad.The more Ukraine/NATO attack inside Russia the more the Russian people will demand Kharkov. That is why I have a “gut feeling” that politics may drive Russia to move on Kharkov.
My biggest uncertainty is about Zaproizhia City and the Dnipro. I guess we will find out once Pokrovsk falls.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:51 utc | 72

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 2:26 utc | 63
Not at all. Just lazy. I quite deliberately did not name his city because I know bloody well it is impossible to spell (for me).
The idea that I even for a single moment support the Ukronazis is totally absurd. Truly ruly you narrow minded git.
I am thinking you are a deliberate troll trying to sow dissension. Are you in fact our old friend anonymous, or William or Roger or Julian?

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:57 utc | 73

General Donahue: Kaliningrad Could Be Wiped Out Faster Than Ever Before
NATO and its allies are fully capable of wiping out Russia’s Kaliningrad region in record time, according to General Christopher Donahue, commander of the US Army in Europe and Africa.
His remarks were reported by Defense News following a military conference in Wiesbaden, Germany.
Speaking at the LandEuro conference organized by the Association of the United States Army, Donahue unveiled NATO’s new Eastern Flank Deterrence Line — a long-term strategy aimed at boosting military-industrial capabilities and standardizing NATO systems in response to the perceived “Russian threat”.
The plan includes integrated approaches to databases, missile systems, and cloud-based platforms.
“Kaliningrad is surrounded by NATO members, and now we have the ability to erase it from the map in unprecedented time — faster than we’ve ever been able to,” Donahue stated. “We’ve already planned it, and we’ve already developed it.”
A critical element of the strategy is the deployment of the Maven Smart System (MSS), an advanced AI platform developed by Palantir Technologies. MSS is designed to process vast amounts of data from satellites, military reports, and even social media, delivering actionable intelligence via a unified interface to US and allied forces.
In May 2025, Breaking Defense quoted Vice Admiral Frank Whitworth, director of the US National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency, as saying that AI tools will soon enable the US military to “detect and destroy any target on Earth within minutes.”
Back in January 2021, a Center for Naval Analyses (CNA) simulation published by Over Defense outlined a preemptive NATO strike on Kaliningrad.
The scenario included targeting Iskander missile launchers capable of delivering nuclear payloads, damaging Baltic Fleet assets, neutralizing S-400 air defense systems, and eliminating Russian forces to secure the Suwałki Gap and protect the Baltic states.
https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/163260-nato-threat-kaliningrad-strike-plan/
———
General who? … general chaotic withdrawal, that’s who…
>… GOP senator blames general for Afghanistan withdrawal ‘disaster,’ blocks his promotion to command Army forces in Europe.
Republican Sen. Markwayne Mullin of Oklahoma had included Army Lt. Gen. Christopher Donahue on a list of people he deemed responsible for the Afghanistan withdrawal “disaster.”
“No one has been held accountable,” he wrote on X in September.
Last week, Mullin blocked the promotion of Donahue to four-star general and new commander of U.S. Army forces in Europe, according to a Senate aide who spoke on condition of anonymity. The aide said the block was reportedly at the request of President-elect Donald Trump’s transition team.
Donahue led the 82nd Airborne Division as it worked to secure Kabul’s airport during the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021 and is best known for being the last U.S. service member to leave the country after 20 years of war.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:12 utc | 74

Mark Milley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Milley

Senate Judiciary Committee chair Dick Durbin (D-Illinois) said that he had “no concerns that Milley might have exceeded his authority” and that Democratic lawmakers “were circumspect in our language but many of us made it clear that we were counting on him to avoid the disaster which we knew could happen at any moment”.[113] Biden later said he had “great confidence” in Milley.[140] Senator Angus King said that Milley had “rendered the country a significant service”, and U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services chair Jack Reed told reporters that “de-escalating international tensions was part of Milley’s job”.

Doesn’t even mention Soleimani

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 18 2025 5:31 utc | 75

Donahue led the 82nd Airborne Division as it worked to secure Kabul’s airport during the chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan in 2021 and is best known for being the last U.S. service member to leave the country after 20 years of war.
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:12 utc | 74
We owe World War III to such “soldiers.”
They knew that US weapons stockpiles would only last for about eight days in an open war, whether against China or Russia.
After only eight days, a maximum of twelve, only nuclear weapons would remain!
And such criminal soldiers would have NO inhibitions, even if their families were to go down with them. THESE are ideologues.
“America ABOVE ALL”

Posted by: Nemesiss | Jul 18 2025 5:35 utc | 76

Ukraine’s Jewish men face forced conscription and death.
Wings of Faith helps rescue them
February 2025
https://vinnews.com/2025/02/24/ukraines-jewish-men-face-forced-conscription-and-death-wings-of-faith-helps-rescue-them/
>… Hundreds of Israelis with Ukrainian citizenship are currently trapped in the Ukraine, having gone into hiding to escape the draft.
>… they have assisted in evacuating over 5,000 Jews from Ukraine , providing them with aid and vital provisions both in Rumania and Moldova and for those arriving in Israel with no knowledge of the language or Israeli environment.
>…~ Alexei, 31, was hiding from conscription when local police revealed his location. Armed men broke into his apartment at night and took him to a recruitment facility. Wings of Faith is now working through legal channels to prevent his deployment to the front.
“It’s important to understand that these aren’t historical memories we can read about and move on,” Halfon emphasizes. “This is happening right now, at this very moment. Each passing day determines the fate of more Jews struggling to survive in the chaos of war.”

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:58 utc | 77

O, the irony!
COMBATE |🇵🇷 on X: “Wtf I love Iran https://x.com/upholdreality/status/1939355684480454888

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 18 2025 6:14 utc | 78

Posted by: Passerby | Jul 17 2025 21:20 utc | 30
Interesting calculation. It means that low- and middle-class ukrop males composing ukrop armed forces are 80 times more concentrated along the frontline and nearby western areas wrt the rest of the country.
It also highlights Russian strategy: once nearly the whole of low- and middle-class ukrop males are blown/burned/shot/maimed/captured near the frontlines, the whole country can be annexed quickly.
Then ukrop children can be re-programmed and ukrop females can be inseminated to produce lots of newly-added Russian offspring.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2025 6:38 utc | 79

@ Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 5:12 utc | 74

General Donahue: Kaliningrad Could Be Wiped Out Faster Than Ever Before

I know someone who visited Kaliningrad recently. This general you are citing is a criminal that needs to be put behind bars, he is promoting war of aggression.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2025 7:01 utc | 80

A new term:
Trumpsplainin’
As in, when one of his supporters goes into contortions to justify his evil behavior.
Trump calls Epstein a hoax, and his supporters say it’s 5D chess, or to protect EU old money, or the Democrats were always behind it when Bill Clinton was the biggest fish caught in the net prior to Trump … yeah, they’re Trump-splainin’

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 18 2025 8:29 utc | 81

I stick to my suspicion that Russia will go after Kharkov. it is just so close to the border and was clearly in their sights in 2022.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 3:05 utc | 65
I think Russia will eventually establish military control over all of Ukraine, as that will be the only way to achieve the goals.

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 18 2025 9:02 utc | 82

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 18 2025 7:01 utc | 80
Kaliningrad is thriving with tourists, families with children, though locals resent it a bit.
Kaliningrad is well defended, including the most advanced AD systems covering the whole of the Baltic airspace and most likely nukes as well (they have Iskanders).
As a matter of fact, Kaliningrad is not a weakness, but a strength of Russian forward deployment against NATO. That’s why them Russkies decided to keep it (also for having a port that doesn’t freeze in winter) after crushing the Wehrmacht in 45.
That general is all mouth and no cojones. Not a criminal, just a loudmouth. He reminds me of a short guy that tried to fight me after I kicked his car for not respecting a pedestrian cross. He threw punches with his short arms while I bounced around him laughing, slipping and rolling.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 18 2025 9:16 utc | 83

Posted by: ArmChairGeneral | Jul 18 2025 9:02 utc | 82
I sort of agree, but I think they may hand over large sections of the west to Poland. Russia probably does not want to have to handle all those rabid NAZIs in Galicia.

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 10:01 utc | 84

Do intellectuals make good leaders? Leaders need to be decisive, are intellectuals decisive or do they think the problems too much?
Posted by: James M. | Jul 17 2025 23:41 utc | 44

President Wilson was an intellectual and he was generally decisive … but he wasn’t a good leader.

Posted by: Tel | Jul 18 2025 11:03 utc | 85

Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, July 18th 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-564

Posted by: The Busker | Jul 18 2025 11:08 utc | 86

I sort of agree, but I think they may hand over large sections of the west to Poland. Russia probably does not want to have to handle all those rabid NAZIs in Galicia.
Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 10:01 utc | 84

judging by the recent musings from duda and other polish officials on bandera, the oun etc, maybe the poles are not to fond of that part of ukraine be given to them.
saw pictures of one of the border crossings with signs of “no oun!” and pictures of bandera et all crossed out facing the ukrainian side. installed by officials of the polish government, not some civilian activists that nobody listens to.
on the flipside, you have polish officials also downplaying all of that because, apparently, the ukrainian officials dont know anything about all those atrocities, because they were never told in “sowjet schools”. yes, they actually said that. the polish jokes write themself with stuff like that.
the polish youth probably knows even less of all the atrocities commited by the galician and invano frankivsk nationals of ukraine, judging with how the european schoolsystem loves ignoring all those things, because of “friends and allies” or something.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 18 2025 11:12 utc | 87

It’s not only the Poles who are having difficulties with Banderites, so do the Hungarians:

Hungary has officially lodged a protest with Kyiv over the incident in Transcarpathia, where unknown individuals set fire to a church belonging to a Hungarian parish and left the inscription “Hungarians to the knives” on its walls.
The incident received wide publicity after the corresponding photo with the above-mentioned threats against the national minority was published on social networks by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban. In his commentary, he emphasized that the actions of Ukrainian nationalists are directed against the Hungarian population of the region and include not only the destruction of property, but also threats of physical elimination.
The head of the Hungarian government also noted that Budapest will not leave its compatriots without support, emphasizing the importance of maintaining ties with communities outside the country.
“We will not leave you, you can rely on us!”
– wrote the official.
He also added that such manifestations of violence, including forced mobilization, intimidation and cruel treatment of citizens, cannot go unnoticed.
Let us recall that earlier in this regard, Orban questioned the stability and legitimacy of the Ukrainian state, asking what Ukraine is today, where are its borders and who can be considered its citizens?
Earlier, the Hungarian Foreign Ministry also responded to the events in Zakarpattia by announcing the closure of entry for three Ukrainian military personnel, including the chief of staff of the ground forces. This decision was made in anticipation of possible sanctions from the EU.
The statement from the Hungarian Foreign Ministry says that Budapest demands international condemnation of the actions of the Kyiv authorities, both related to forced mobilization and involvement in the death of a 45-year-old member of the Hungarian community in Transcarpathia.

https://en.topwar.ru/268243-my-vas-ne-ostavim-orban-otreagiroval-na-ugrozy-ukrainskih-nacionalistov-v-adres-vengrov-na-zakarpate.html

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:33 utc | 88

Ukrainians have lost faith in Zelensky

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/ukrainians-have-lost-faith-in-zelensky/
Some snips:

‘If the war continues soon there will be no Ukraine left to fight for,’ one former senior official in Zelensky’s administration tells me. They now believe their former boss is ‘prolonging the war to hold on to power’. Even once-staunch pro-Zelensky cheerleaders such as Mariia Berlinska, head of the Aerial Reconnaissance Support Centre, a prominent Ukrainian volunteer movement, express despair. ‘We are hanging over the abyss,’ Berlinska said recently. ‘Ukraine is an expendable pawn in an American game… Trump, Putin, Xi [will] spend us like small change if they need to.’

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The recent spate of arrests and searches against Zelensky loyalists suggest serious political infighting at the heart of the Kyiv government – and also a reckless readiness to take down prominent critics both inside and outside the state, regardless of how it looks to the outside world. Perhaps the most shocking of all the recent arrests is that of Vitaliy Shabunin, one of Ukraine’s most prominent anti-corruption activists, who has been charged with evading military service and fraud. Shabunin, the chair of the Anti-Corruption Action Centre executive board and a leading watchdog of military corruption, attacked the government soon after this arrest.

~~~

Meanwhile, resentment, resistance and anger are rising at aggressive measures taken by the authorities to press-gang military-age men into the army – a process known as ‘busification’. Unlike the Russian army, which is made up of contract soldiers, Ukraine has instituted full mobilisation of men over 26 not engaged in vital civilian work.
Ukraine’s social media is filled with daily videos of men being bundled into vans by recruitment officers, sometimes at gunpoint. Yet many of those forcibly recruited seem to have little desire to fight. In the first six months of this year, Ukraine’s Prosecutor’s Office reported that it had opened 107,672 new criminal cases for desertion. Since 2022 some 230,804 such criminal cases have been instigated, suggesting that more soldiers have deserted the Ukrainian army than there are fighting men in today’s British, French and German armies combined.
Those who remain at the front are exhausted. Mobilised Ukrainian soldiers serve until the end of hostilities, meaning that some have been fighting continuously for three-and-a-half years. A draft law releasing military personnel from service after 36 months was squashed by the government last year for fear that the retiring personnel could not be replaced. No men aged 18 to 60 have been allowed to leave the country since February 2022 without special permission.

I’m increasingly getting the impression that there are serious divisions within the Western elites about whether or not to pull the rug from under the Kiev junta; this Spectator piece adds to that impression.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:59 utc | 89

Marat does a good description of some current wedges
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-17th
While DS takes the oportunity to “see no red, speak o red” … +3.1 km²
Of course , using anonymous logic, as the counter is at 114.028 km², current situation must have begun 100 years and some months ago, not a decade and some months.
It was a 1.185 casualties day
There’s also a fresh weekly update here
https://tass.com/politics/1991217

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:14 utc | 90

ZH has a posting up with the title
NATO Top Commander: Patriots Must Move From European Allies To Kyiv ‘As Quickly As Possible’
What I got out of the posting is that Germany has agreed to send two more Patriot batteries to Ukraine…..how long before they are destroyed?….before they get installed?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2025 12:21 utc | 91

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:59 utc | 89
Thanks! Very good news. Like the applause when a tcc is hit.
After the SMO, it will be a very bad time for those. I read somewhere that they are some 420’000… Send them to the meat grinders…

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 12:26 utc | 92

I’m increasingly getting the impression that there are serious divisions within the Western elites about whether or not to pull the rug from under the Kiev junta; this Spectator piece adds to that impression.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 18 2025 11:59 utc | 89
As statistically 90% AFU meat is dead or maimed @ 2 years (and only 20% remain @ 1.5)
Even if the “brave azov” etc have half that rate, very few remain from the start, maybe 15%.
Anyone remembers AFU recruitment this last year and a half? two thirds of that number is a nice estimate of what AFU has left + maybe 5% of all previous million men armies
no fingers, no triggers, no triggers, no bam bam

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:37 utc | 93

What I got out of the posting is that Germany has agreed to send two more Patriot batteries to Ukraine…..how long before they are destroyed?….before they get installed?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2025 12:21 utc | 91
A visit from an iskander or khizhal at delivery?
Depends on evolving HUMINT, would be a double sign to nato…

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 18 2025 12:40 utc | 94

Hungary has officially lodged a protest with Kyiv over the incident in Transcarpathia, where unknown individuals set fire to a church belonging to a Hungarian parish and left the inscription “Hungarians to the knives” on its walls.
It is more literally translated “Magyars to the knives” (мадяpib, not угорска), important difference in today’s world of conflating nationality and ethnicity.

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jul 18 2025 12:40 utc | 95

Trumpsplaining – variation of mansplaining. See mansplaining
Mansplaining – Unwelcome use of reason and logic in a discussion with someone unfamiliar with those thought patterns, typically someone with a real or imagined vagina.
The term was popularized by a demonstrably evil hag known as the Cackle Bitch, a monstrously vile beast of Hades best known for its role in reducing the most culturally, socially, and economically advanced nation in Africa to a failed state with slave markets. The Cackle Bitch is not to be confused with the Giggle Whore, a mindless prostitute and member of the same tribe, as the Cackle Bitch possesses something approaching an intellect, though one warped to near unrecognizability by megalomaniacal sociopathic narcissism and avarice.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 18 2025 12:42 utc | 96

Posted by: watcher | Jul 18 2025 4:57 utc | 73
Fallacies, of course. If there is a troll, it is you. Lazy? Never read a so ludicrous “excuse”. By using the ukronazi name, you are writing that Dniepropetrovsk is not a Russian city and oblast. Also you are not “lazy” to make “predictions” when you don’t know what will happen tomorrow.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 18 2025 12:55 utc | 97

Aaaaand… just like that, voila, Pokrovsk is strategically insignificant
https://x.com/astraiaintel/status/1945797631449485569

Pokrovsk is NOT an important lgositics hub.
Stop listening to the clickbait media that try to hype-turn every henhouse into Stalingrad.
Pokrovsk is a village, and the Russians have been stuck fighting for a village for the past year.
It’s pathetic, honestly.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 18 2025 13:11 utc | 98

Andrei Martyanov puts up a picture of Major General Christian Freuding, Commanding officer of the planning and leadership staff of the Federal Ministry of Defence, and comes to no very flattering judgement as to his abilities in the military line.
We in the West do ourselves no favours when we put such men at the head of our defence establishments. They’re propagandists, not real Generals. The Americans employ too many such too, in the top military positions. We do in England. And as Colonel Lang was never tired of pointing out, our various Intelligence establishments are cluttered up with losers too. Men who are more anxious to go with the flow set by the politicians, rather than supplying the politicians with the hard information they ought to be getting.
That’s an aspect of the Ukrainian war we ignore but shouldn’t. How our way of fighting it degrades our defence and Intelligence establishments. Submitted a comment on that that might also be relevant here.
In this dismal confrontation between the West and Russia we get too hung up on the question of which one of us is in the right.
My own view on that, for what it’s worth, is that the Russians are. They had no choice but to pre-empt the Kiev forces massed on the LoC in February 2022. That seemed obvious to me back then and is obvious now. I stated that view last under an hard-hitting article by Owen Schalk on Canadian Dimension so don’t repeat it here.
https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/what-is-brics-and-where-is-it-going
But there’s more to conflict than the question of who is in the right. My view, we were very much in the right in the Falklands War but I’d have been most uneasy had we merely sent out a couple of frigates and expected that to do the job. There has to be a reasonable expectation of winning if war is to be engaged in.
This war offered no such reasonable expectation. Never did. The West simply does not have the military strength to defeat the Russians in their own back yard. If it ever did have the military strength it’d go nuclear. That was obvious in February 2022 and before. The famous Rand study spelt it out well before 2022. “But any increase in U.S. military arms and advice to Ukraine would need to be carefully calibrated to increase the costs to Russia of sustaining its existing commitment without provoking a much wider conflict in which Russia, by reason of proximity, would have significant advantages.”
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB10014.html
That view later confirmed by an unimpeachable military authority, General Lord Richards, who early on expressed the gravest doubts as to whether we’d be able to provide our proxies with sufficient muscle.
Worse yet, and either the General didn’t pick this up or he did but thought it better not to labour the point, the Russians had up-ended us in the first few days of the SMO. They conducted a brilliant missile and ground operation, Blitzkreig style, that demolished the Ukrainian army as a coherent fighting force and removed for good the possibility of a Kiev incursion into the Donbass.
We had expected the Russians to move on from there and get themselves bogged down in an intractable guerrilla war. The arms and training we’d supplied the Ukrainians were suited for that type of war though not for combined operations war. “This’ll be Russia’s Afghanistan” were the words on everyone’s lips.
The Russians again wrong-footed us. Instead of chasing all over Ukraine hunting out proxies and their equipment they sat back and allowed the proxies and their equipment come to them to be destroyed. This war was clearly an attrition war and that well before the term was bandied about in Western military circles. Defensive attrition or, where it was needed to bring the enemy to combat, aggressive attrition, was the pattern the Russians settled into almost from the beginning and it is still the pattern now.
Not being military I was mystified by the Russians in those early days. What were they about? Why weren’t they steamrolling on after that explosive early start? I referred to the Imperial War Museum material on Verdun and there it was. Falkenhayn had intended to use his superior artillery to attrite the French whilst minimising his own casualties. Didn’t work for him. But what the Russians were doing fitted into that “Falkenhayn Scenario” – I recollect boring everyone about it on English blogs in the early days – and this time round it worked for them. No steamroller. Instead, what a man on “b’s” site called “the woodchipper”. And we’ve been feeding our proxies and our equipment into that woodchipper ever since.
To take but one example, the so-called “Kharkov offensive” that our journalists and analysts celebrated at the time – no such thing. Walking troops into an area the enemy had already evacuated civilians and military forces from and had pre-registered its artillery on is not an offensive. It’s feeding the proxies into the woodchipper. And throughout this war we fed them in ruthlessly. Often against the wishes of the Ukrainian General staff itself.
It’s now clear we micromanaged this war. It was run from Wiesbaden and the Pentagon, not from Kiev. The use we put the proxies to was, to use “b’s” term on Moon of Alabama, a crime. The way we misled them a disgrace. From Istanbul on we promised Zelensky the earth. “As long as it takes”. Standing ovations in the Western capitals. Zelensky the new Churchill and the proxies fighting, not just for themselves, but for the West as a whole.
From that to “We are not Amazon” at Vilnius. And from the time of Vilnius, I suspect before, our proxies coming to the realisation that we had betrayed them. To the tune now of a million and more dead and the loss of their country. And having used them to wear down the Russians for “cents on the dollar” we walked away and left them in the lurch.
It was that dishonourable betrayal of our proxies that Colonel Lang foresaw. Just this once, he was saying to himself, we’re not going to leave our proxies high and dry. He’d seen too much of that before. Had he lived he would have been dismayed we did just that. I believe General Lord Richards, also no fool in military matters, foresaw that betrayal too.
Larry Johnson, looking at the big picture from way back, sums it up. I’ve quoted him before. His judgement bears repetition.
“Let me repeat: The West betrayed Ukraine when it obstructed its democratic transition and independence, interfered in its internal affairs, pitted Ukrainians against Russians, incited Slavs against Slavs, then initiated an unconstitutional coup, lied about implementing the Minsk agreements, and ultimately provoked a bloodbath in the region.“
I go against the tide and believe Ukraine, in its entirety, should have remained an independent country. Could it have got over the maladministration and corruption it should have become the most prosperous of the post-Soviet states. As the Canadian diplomat, Patrick Armstrong, pointed out at the time it lost any chance of that in 2014. We employed it, greatly to its disadvantage, as an attack dog against Russia. It has now lost its chance of remaining an independent country in any form.
If the European politicians can manage it we’re now heading into Cold War II. As we do so I hope we leave no more betrayed proxies dotted around the perimeter of the Russian Federation. In the wrong, as I believe, or in the right, as most in the West believe, this is not only a cynical and destructive way to use our proxies. As is becoming increasingly evident, we rot out our own military and Intelligence establishments when we use those establishments in such ventures.

Posted by: English Outsider | Jul 18 2025 13:20 utc | 99

ArmChairGeneral@82…..I disagree, for Russia to ever have any kind of peace with the US it will have occupy and root out all the Nazis in Berlin, Paris, and if they don’t cross the channel to London they will be fucked over every fifty years for eternity….
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 18 2025 13:25 utc | 100