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July 13, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-156
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Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 11th July 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-df3 Posted by: The Busker | Jul 13 2025 12:57 utc | 1 It’s the anonymous memorial hour Posted by: Newbie | Jul 13 2025 13:32 utc | 2 Russian-Belgian pair win Wimbledon Ladies Doubles. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 13 2025 14:53 utc | 3 With Putin expressing his gratitude, to North Korea for helping to rid the Kursk region of Russia of Neo-Nazi’s – and Nato troops. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:10 utc | 4 Sly old Modi hedges his bets. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:11 utc | 5 This is unbelievable from Trump, who has kept hidden Epstein’s client list. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:14 utc | 6 There must be some kind of fetish about claiming Russia losing things it never had. Posted by: boneless | Jul 13 2025 15:27 utc | 7 Good intel leads to getting their man, a man backed by the CIA. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:30 utc | 8 he Russian Armed Forces are estimated to have received over 12 million rounds of 152mm artillery shells from North Korea, according to a new report from the South Korean Defence Ministry’s Defence Intelligence Agency. Posted by: ld | Jul 13 2025 16:03 utc | 9 The Yans won’t like this one little bit. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 16:16 utc | 10 The depths that the USA has been infiltrated by the Zionists/Jews and their influence, or should I say control. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 16:18 utc | 11 @ ld | Jul 13 2025 16:03 utc | 9 Posted by: boneless | Jul 13 2025 16:22 utc | 12 Hungary’s PM Breaks Down EU’s Scheme to Fund Zelensky (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 13 2025 17:02 utc | 13 JohnGilberts | Jul 13 2025 17:02 utc | 13
`Defending Canada’s Arctic Sovereignty'[against Russia]? Posted by: Laurence | Jul 13 2025 17:32 utc | 14 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:10 utc | 4 “With Putin expressing his gratitude, to North Korea for helping to rid the Kursk region of Russia of Neo-Nazi’s – and Nato troops.” Posted by: ed4 | Jul 13 2025 18:07 utc | 15 … helping to rid the Kursk region … Posted by: smartfox | Jul 13 2025 18:15 utc | 16 I recall healthy skepticism. Not sure why you think this is any big deal? Posted by: Robert Hope | Jul 13 2025 18:18 utc | 17 Posted by: ed4 | Jul 13 2025 18:07 utc | 15 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 13 2025 18:20 utc | 18 Color by numbers continues to state borders Posted by: Newbie | Jul 13 2025 18:20 utc | 19 I’m sure this will work out well:
https://en.topwar.ru/267955-mjer-ivano-frankovska-marcinkiv-ukraine-nuzhen-prezident-galichanin.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2025 18:39 utc | 20 Et comme les russes disaient Qu ils voulaient protéger les russophone a l est de l Ukraine , ils ont rasé tous leurs villages toutes leur maisons Posted by: Mortimer | Jul 13 2025 18:43 utc | 21 Donbass cities under this short “brutal Russian occupation” receive more construction and maintenance than almost the entirety of 404 throughout its whole unfortunate “independence”. Posted by: boneless | Jul 13 2025 18:50 utc | 22 Latest Marat update: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-13th Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2025 19:02 utc | 23 US warmongers Graham and Blumenthal want 500% tariffs on China, India and Brazil for buying Russian oil. Posted by: paddy | Jul 13 2025 19:26 utc | 24 Latest Marat update: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-july-13th Posted by: Newbie | Jul 13 2025 19:37 utc | 25
36-second video Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 19:56 utc | 26 Shorter and shorter OODA loops. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 19:59 utc | 27
nazis gonna nazi. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 13 2025 19:59 utc | 28 Notice, the targets of Miss Lindsey’s sanctions are BRICS rather than directly at Russia. BRICS has gone from being a joke to an existential threat. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:04 utc | 29 @ Republcofscotland, §11: Posted by: John Marks | Jul 13 2025 20:05 utc | 30 ZH has a posting up with the title
Too little and too late, comes to mind Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2025 20:06 utc | 31 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2025 20:06 utc | 31 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:13 utc | 32 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:14 utc | 6 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 13 2025 20:15 utc | 33 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jul 13 2025 20:15 utc | 33 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:20 utc | 34
pro-pedo, pro-genocide, pro-nazi. the american dream. much values! Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 13 2025 20:23 utc | 35
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:04 utc | 29 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2025 20:31 utc | 36 To be MAGA is now synonymous with being pro-pedo. Trump did that. Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 20:34 utc | 37 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 13 2025 20:31 utc | 36 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:36 utc | 38 Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 13 2025 15:30 utc | 8 Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 20:36 utc | 39 @boneless | Jul 13 2025 16:22 utc | 12
Fully agree. Another reason for decreasing artillery fire are improved aerial reconnaissance mainly by drones, and precision shells like Krasnopol, and GMLRS from Uragan-M and Smerch launchers, and UPMC bombs. Posted by: aquadraht | Jul 13 2025 20:46 utc | 40 The claims of North Korean support is —again, as before— great news if true and such a level of functional cooperation is or would be on its own worthy of praise. It is something not really duplicated on the other side in NATO according to the “Ukrainians”. A NATO which has spent at least forty years if not much more trying to make everything standardized! Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jul 13 2025 20:49 utc | 41 Is there any documentation to the claims, this time? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 21:14 utc | 42 Yes both NK and Iran shipped arms to Russia. Big deal not. It is trade ffs. Posted by: Watcher | Jul 13 2025 21:19 utc | 43 If one were to launch 5 Oreshniks at America, Posted by: Newbie | Jul 13 2025 21:22 utc | 44 Sunny Posted by: Watcher | Jul 13 2025 21:26 utc | 45 here in the heart of a Red State, MAGA is beginning to mean Mostly All Gone Away Posted by: Perimetr | Jul 13 2025 21:27 utc | 46 Thing is, Trump and people within his orbit fueled the outrage and narrative around the Epstein saga to get votes. If you’re going to conjure a storm, be prepared to ride the lightning. Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 13 2025 21:34 utc | 47 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 13 2025 21:22 utc | 44 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 21:53 utc | 48 Posted by: Skiffer | Jul 13 2025 21:34 utc | 47 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 13 2025 21:53 utc | 49 I voted with MAGA. Posted by: paddy | Jul 13 2025 21:58 utc | 50 TDS or not TDS — stop polluting the conversation with all that nonsense. Trump is the copium of the right, Obama was the copium of the left — both are ultimately meaningless, two faces of the same continuation. There is no “change you can believe in,” and no MAGA — just empire. There is no real democracy in the U.S., and hardly anywhere in the West — only a managed spectacle for fools to pour their tribalistic emotions into, when not distracted by football games, celebrities, or whatever happens to be in fashion at the time. The elites are growing increasingly desperate, and the decline is visible in the quality of their decisions and of the empire’s managers. I just hope they don’t march their populations en masse into another already-lost war, just to cling to power — now over a reduced turf, no longer the whole world, as it was for the last five centuries. Posted by: Eol | Jul 13 2025 22:08 utc | 51 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 21:14 utc | 42 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 22:09 utc | 52 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 22:09 utc | 52 Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 22:55 utc | 53 They want also to provoke Russia, hoping it will attack one nato country. Germany could be the scapegoat. Imagine Rheinmetall hit by a nazelnut after Germany delivered missiles able to hit Moscow… What nato would do? Go full war and be destroyed? Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 13 2025 23:09 utc | 54 The basis for Western European leaders is still that they have the backing of the US in the event of an “alliance,” meaning the entire NATO against Russia, in the assumption that they would also win in a nuclear war (there are statements by American senators to that effect). Therefore, Russia must avoid such a situation. Posted by: smartfox | Jul 13 2025 23:24 utc | 55 Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 22:55 utc | 53 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 23:26 utc | 56 The control comes from England, and it is calculated that nothing remains except England (and the USA). Posted by: smartfox | Jul 13 2025 23:29 utc | 57 Posted by: smartfox | Jul 13 2025 23:24 utc | 55 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 23:32 utc | 58 Oreschnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oreshnik_(missile) Posted by: smartfox | Jul 13 2025 23:47 utc | 59 @Naive | Sun, 13 Jul 2025 22:55:00 GMT | 53
I think watcher is correct. Russia is cursed by its geography. 14 countries border Russia, most of them hostile, or at least of dubious allegiance. A whopping two border the US, (and they can’t even control their southern border). Countries, primarily land powers, that border multiple states are often insecure (Germany comes to mind), and so their grand strategies differ from maritime powers like the US or the UK. Russia cuts deals when it can – China, N. Korea, the ‘stans, to shore up its defenses better. Posted by: James M. | Jul 13 2025 23:50 utc | 60 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 23:26 utc | 56 Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 23:54 utc | 61 @54 Posted by: paddy | Jul 13 2025 23:58 utc | 62 It has become a drone war, in which ground troops are increasingly less needed. Only cities are problematic if you don’t want to destroy them completely (the US strategy). Odessa is a special case because it’s strategically necessary, but very difficult. But according to the latest statements I’ve read, Russia no longer believes a diplomatic solution is possible until Ukraine is completely destroyed. The war continues because the key European figures want the war to continue until the end. (English perspective) Posted by: smartfox | Jul 14 2025 0:01 utc | 63 Russia wanted to avoid this war, it still wants to cut a deal with Ukraine. Posted by: Naive | Jul 14 2025 0:03 utc | 64 Posted by: smartfox | Jul 14 2025 0:01 utc | 63 Posted by: Naive | Jul 14 2025 0:05 utc | 65 Naive, it IS a war. not only a war to Ukraine, but growing to a world war. Imperium against all other. Posted by: smartfox | Jul 14 2025 0:06 utc | 67 Dmitry Trenin: The West’s war on Russia will go beyond Ukraine Posted by: smartfox | Jul 14 2025 0:11 utc | 68 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 23:26 utc | 56 Posted by: hopehely | Jul 14 2025 0:11 utc | 69 Posted by: watcher | Jul 13 2025 21:53 utc | 48 Posted by: Newbie | Jul 14 2025 0:39 utc | 70 US Neocons got something big planned for Russia this week :
All the while Russia’s ‘allies’ sit in the corner and look on taking little to no action. Posted by: bored | Jul 14 2025 0:48 utc | 71 @Naive | Mon, 14 Jul 2025 00:03:00 GMT | 64
1.) De jure it may be an SMO, but de facto it is a war. A practical definition: War is defined as a pattern of sustained violence between or within states that results in a minimum threshold of 1,000 combatant battle deaths, en total. (Small & Singer, 1982). The Russia-Ukraine conflict far exceeds this, by your own metrics. Posted by: James M. | Jul 14 2025 0:55 utc | 72 @bored | Mon, 14 Jul 2025 00:48:00 GMT | 71
A lot happens behind the scenes “bored” that you don’t know about. But North Korea has sent troops, China has sent weapons, India hasn’t sanctioned, Iran has sent drones. These are all “actions” as I see it. Posted by: James M. | Jul 14 2025 0:59 utc | 73 @71 Posted by: paddy | Jul 14 2025 1:11 utc | 74 A lot of Kievan conscripts will die for trump and his protecting pedophiles Posted by: paddy | Jul 14 2025 1:14 utc | 75 Posted by: Naive | Jul 13 2025 23:54 utc | 61 and hopefuly Posted by: watcher | Jul 14 2025 1:43 utc | 76 Watcher // 76 Posted by: Nobody Special | Jul 14 2025 4:13 utc | 77
The lipstick being applied is by yourself and your ilk to the suicidal dipshittery of the NATO peacocks who pushed into Kursk like the fucking gormless clowns they are. Of course these geniuses didn’t risk themselves, they sent tens of thousands of other people to die for their idiocy and hubris. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 14 2025 4:21 utc | 78 Then we come to nukes. The reality is that although Russia and Russians would be well placed to survive a nuclear holocaust, they would lose their two main cities Moscow and St Petersburg, since even if their air defences stop 90% of the nukes 10/100 would still destroy the cities. Sure it is probable (not certain) that Russian return fire would take out all US cities, leaving a totally disabled population, but it would still leave Russia in a terrible mess too and most of the survivors would need to relocate. Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 14 2025 4:25 utc | 79 For clarity, by NATO I mean America and her running dogs. I dont subscribe to the fiction that there is daylight between them. The political leaders of the NATO nations are owned lock stock and barrels by the American blackmail and bribery machine. NATO like Ukraine and like Israel is an American appendage. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 14 2025 4:26 utc | 80 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 13 2025 20:06 utc | 31 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 14 2025 4:27 utc | 81 NATO like Ukraine and like Israel is an American appendage. Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 14 2025 4:28 utc | 82 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 14 2025 4:34 utc | 83 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 14 2025 4:39 utc | 84 How about if they are both appendages of my God Of Mammon cult representation of Western empire? Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 14 2025 4:45 utc | 85 And weapons sales from the US have to be suffering after the world witnessed how poorly the MIC’s overpriced weapons actually perform in combat. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 14 2025 4:50 utc | 86 @Nobody Special | Mon, 14 Jul 2025 04:13:00 GMT | 77
Usually maritime powers and land powers don’t fight each other, in modern warfare. Yes, you have some examples from antiquity, but in modern times it less frequent. Posted by: James M. | Jul 14 2025 4:51 utc | 87 Posted by: Passerby | Jul 14 2025 4:27 utc | 81 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 14 2025 4:53 utc | 88 Strategic Culture has a posting up showing that fiction writers are going to become extinct because of the flavor of current reality.
barbarism versus socialism is the question…which do you prefer? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 14 2025 4:56 utc | 89 @Nooneuknow | Mon, 14 Jul 2025 04:25:00 GMT | 79
No nukes in the US have been tested since 1992. But that doesn’t mean they don’t work. Posted by: James M. | Jul 14 2025 4:59 utc | 90 Posted by: James M. | Jul 14 2025 4:51 utc | 87 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jul 14 2025 5:31 utc | 91 Found: Posted by: Nemessis | Jul 14 2025 5:58 utc | 92 There’s already an undeclared war on Russian merchant vessels, a surprising number of which have suffered engine room explosions or other misfortunes, often a long way away from Russian waters. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jul 14 2025 6:02 utc | 93 Lindsey Graham Threatens Russia With ‘Record’ Arms Flow to Ukraine, Unprecedented Sanctions (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 14 2025 6:06 utc | 94 “You just watch. In the coming days and weeks, there’s gonna be a massive effort to get Putin to the table’ by forceful means…” Posted by: Nemesiss | Jul 14 2025 6:41 utc | 95 Yes, pushing through such enormous things is part of the show, just like when you have a showman as president and a closet Nazi as senator. Posted by: Nemesiss | Jul 14 2025 6:55 utc | 96 Is all the trade kerfuffle not simply a ruse de guerre? A pretense of disunity before the boots hit the ground? AFAI’C, it will not avail the Fascist Quislings in Ottawa. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 14 2025 7:02 utc | 97 Secondary sanctions over China will not work because China, as already have with primary sanctions, will answer by manacing the ban of rare earth’s and other critical supplies to US. Posted by: Mario | Jul 14 2025 7:03 utc | 98 As for the weapons it would be nice to see what they could give. Posted by: Nemessis | Jul 14 2025 7:17 utc | 99 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 13 2025 20:20 utc | 34 Posted by: snake | Jul 14 2025 7:19 utc | 100 |
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