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July 8, 2025
Ukraine – Drone Mass Production Lets Russia Gain Upper Hand

The Russian military has increased its operational tempo in Ukraine. There is (still) no big arrow movement but a rise in activity along the frontline.

On top of this come frequent drone and missile raids deep into the territory of Ukraine. The numbers are mind boggling:

Tatarigami_UA @Tatarigami_UA – 14:49 UTC · Jul 8, 2025

Since the beginning of the full-scale invasion, Russia has launched 28,743 Shahed/Geran drones at Ukraine – 2,736 of them in June of this year, according to President Zelensky. …

That's nearly 100 long range drones per day which target Kiev and other bigger cities. These are by the way no longer Iran made Shahed drones but a third generation development based on the original design. These drones are now bigger. They have new engines and fly faster and higher. Their load of explosives is now about 90 kilogram, double that of the original version. For each of these drones launched against Ukraine there is an additional decoy drone flying along. The decoys look similar but are not armed and much cheaper. The are to attract the air defenses while the real drones pass through.

Recent targets have been Ukrainian refineries, industrial objects and, during the last days, recruiting offices of the Ukrainian military.

These offices are in public buildings. Their addresses are naturally known as the whole mobilization process for additional soldiers is being run by them. The recruiters are hated by the population. Ukrainians are published the  addresses of mobilization offices with requests to Russia to hit them.

At the frontline the area northwest of Donetsk city is the most crucial. The Russian forces are in the process of semi-encircling Pokrovsk and Konstantynivka (see maps below).

The New York Times writes (archived) of the later one:

The city is the southern gateway to a chain of cities that form Ukraine’s last major defensive belt in Donetsk. Should it fall, nearly all cities farther north would come within range of Russian drones. It would bring Moscow closer to its long-sought goal of seizing all of Donetsk.

Russian forces have carved out a 10-mile-deep pocket around the Ukrainian troops defending Kostiantynivka, partly surrounding them from the east, south and west. Practically every movement in that pocket is targeted by Russian drones around the clock, according to a half-dozen Ukrainian soldiers and officers fighting in the area. Troops are often stranded for weeks without rotation or the possibility of evacuating the wounded.

A new class of medium range drones play a big role in this:

Ukrainian soldiers say Russia’s expanded drone strike capacity gives it an edge it did not have during previous assaults.

“Before, they could hit targets within two or three kilometers,” or less than two miles, said the commander of the unit operating crewless vehicles in the 93rd Brigade, who asked to be identified by only his first name, Oleksandr, according to military protocol. “Now, they’re striking every 10 to 20 minutes at a consistent range of 15 kilometers from the front line. Everything within that 15-kilometer zone is being destroyed.”

The progress on the map over the last six months looks slow. But this is a war of attrition and the Russian troops are only moving forward when the resistance is low.

Pokrovsk/Konstantynivka Double Encirclement, January 08 2025

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Pokrovsk/Konstantynivka Double Encirclement, July 08 2025

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President Zelenski has begged U.S. President Donald Trump for more means of air defenses. He is especially asking for Patriot missiles which can take down some of the drones and missiles the Russians are using.

But Patriot missiles are scarce:

The United States only has about 25% of the Patriot missile interceptors it needs for all of the Pentagon’s military plans after burning through stockpiles in the Middle East in recent months, an alarming depletion that led to the Trump administration freezing the latest transfer of munitions to Ukraine.

Many Patriots on stock have been given to Ukraine, many have been used in recent weeks to protect Israel from Iranian revenge missiles. Production numbers are only in the hundreds per year while thousands are needed.

Yesterday Trump agreed to again deliver some weapons to Ukraine. The numbers though that can be delivered are laughable and will make no difference:

Trump told Zelensky he wants to help Ukraine's air defenses but stressed that the U.S. had to pause the latest weapons shipment to review its own stockpiles, according to two sources briefed on the call.

Two sources said Trump promised to immediately send 10 Patriot interceptors — fewer than had been planned in the paused shipment — and help to find other means of supply.

Patriot missiles have a success probability of 0.8 to 0.9. One needs to fire (at least) two at a target to be reasonably sure to destroy it. Those 10 interceptor missiles will hardly last half a night.

So no, Trump has not decided (yet) to get fully (re-)engaged in the war on Ukraine. Handing over 10 Patriot missiles is merely covering his retreat.

Comments

“Ukrainians are publish[ing]ed the addresses of mobilisation offices with requests to Russia to hit them.”
Fnar!

Posted by: Squeeth | Jul 8 2025 17:17 utc | 1

Those drones might be also useful to get rid of the pirates in the Baltic Sea:
“Piracy in the Baltic”
https://www.german-foreign-policy.com/en/news/detail/10008

Posted by: p3t3r | Jul 8 2025 17:33 utc | 2

>For each of these drones launched against Ukraine there is an additional decoy drone flying along. The decoys look similar but are not armed and much cheaper.
This sounds dubious. Surely the engine is much more expensive than the explosive, and twice as many real drones would be more effective than 1 real drone and 1 decoy. When these drones were first introduced, the whole appeal of them was supposed to be that the drones themselves were cheaper than the missiles used to shoot them down.

Posted by: Catdog | Jul 8 2025 17:36 utc | 3

https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2025/07/08/26224328.shtml
Nazis are in the German embassy in Moscow, unfortunately without weapons 🙂

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Jul 8 2025 17:36 utc | 4

Thanks for the posting b
I had not read that only 10 Patriots are being sent and agree with your assessment of the use only being to cover US ass on the way out of Ukraine.
Will we get helos saving folks off embassy rooftops like Vietnam?
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and we have a multi-ring global circus going on right now.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2025 17:41 utc | 5

@ Catdog | Jul 8 2025 17:36 utc | 3
There are decoy drones. There are also signal intelligence surveillance variations. That’s a fact confirmed by banderite drone specialists.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 8 2025 17:46 utc | 6

@psychohistorian – 5

Will we get helos saving folks off embassy rooftops like Vietnam?

The only ones who will need “saving” are the nazis of all shades occupying the Ukraine now..
Given the US’s record on that account (saving, then using nazis), I’m sure helos will be busy day and night.

Posted by: Jean Meslier | Jul 8 2025 17:47 utc | 7

And so it begins.
Buckle up;
Speaking at a cabinet meeting on Tuesday, Trump said he was getting increasingly frustrated with Vladimir Putin. “We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth. He’s very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless,” he said
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/08/ukraine-russia-us-military-weapons-pentagon
It’s actually a 2 for 1. This also gets reported today;
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jul/08/three-men-found-guilty-over-london-arson-attack-on-ukraine-linked-firms
Sigh.
May you live in interesting times and all that….

Posted by: Skeletor | Jul 8 2025 17:51 utc | 8

Helicopters? The walk of shame to Berlin sounds a better idea. But seriously empire has an endless bag of tricks to still reach into. Expect much more before they call it quits. They can’t just up and quit anyway. It’s their end. There is no magic tipping point for capitulation. They only know escalation even if that’s nato suicide in a military encounter.

Posted by: Hankster | Jul 8 2025 17:54 utc | 9

Mishustin’s main statement at the Innoprom International Industrial Exhibition:
▪️ More than 2.2 million specialists need to be trained for the manufacturing industry by 2030;
▪️ Manufacturing output increased by 18% over the past three years;
▪️ The share of Russian machine tools has been steadily growing over the past five years;
▪️ 10 billion rubles were additionally allocated to subsidize discounts on the production of agricultural machinery;
▪️ production of unmanned vehicles exceeded the planned volumes by three times;
▪️Airlines will receive their first fully import-substituted aircraft in 2026;
▪️ the average level of use of domestic software has reached almost 50%;
The Ministry of Industry and Trade will prepare a list of high-tech products to support their localization.
@segodnia_ru
machine translated
https://t.me/segodnia_ru/9856

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2025 17:54 utc | 10

Off-topic, but just wanted to register my delight at the news of the death of the number-two-cunt of thatcher’s government, norman tebbit (I will not dignify these names with initial capitals). Praise the Lord.

Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 17:54 utc | 11

The Dutch prepping their people for a false war with Russia – probably to allow not just the Dutch government but EU governments to force through stricter laws claiming that war with Russia in not that far-off.
“The port of Rotterdam in the Netherlands is preparing for a possible conflict between NATO and Russia by reserving space for vessels carrying weapons and making plans to host regular military drills, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.
Since the escalation of the Ukraine conflict in 2022, Western European politicians have frequently claimed that Russia harbors aggressive intentions against NATO countries – accusations that Moscow has dismissed as detached from reality.
The port of Rotterdam, which is the largest in Europe and handles over 460 million tons of cargo annually, would have a dedicated quay for NATO supply ships in the event of a conflict with Russia, something that was not the case even at the height of the Cold War, the FT said.
The harbor is currently coordinating with the neighboring port of Antwerp in Belgium on how to manage cargo flows if multiple vessels with US, British, and Canadian military hardware and supplies would have to dock in the Dutch city, according to the newspaper.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 17:59 utc | 12

@ Skeletor #8
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/07/08/trump_putin_is_nice_to_me_but_it_turns_out_to_be_meaningless_bs.html
Thank you very much. Trump saying it is amazing, any soap for the mouth 🙂

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Jul 8 2025 17:59 utc | 13

“The decoys look similar but are not armed and much cheaper. They are to attract the air defenses while the real drones pass through.”
Following a good point by Catdog | Jul 8 2025 17:36 utc | 3, presumably the decoys will be launched first with the real drones in a second wave. I’m guessing any defensive missiles launched by Ukraine at the initial wave will have insufficient time to re-arm and re-launch..

Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 18:02 utc | 14

@ Skeletor | Jul 8 2025 17:51 utc | 8 with the Trump quote about Putin…thx

“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Putin, if you want to know the truth. He’s very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless,” he said

Let me rephrase that as possibly coming from Putin
“We get a lot of bullshit thrown at us by Trump, if you want to know the truth. He’s a bully all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless,” he said

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 8 2025 18:07 utc | 15

Trump on Putin Russia and weapons.
““It’s turned out to be tougher,” Trump acknowledged, referring to his attempts to settle the Ukraine conflict, adding that Washington has given Kiev the “best [military] equipment ever made.”
“It’s turned out to be tougher,” Trump acknowledged, referring to his attempts to settle the Ukraine conflict, adding that Washington has given Kiev the “best [military] equipment ever made.”
According to the US president, Russia would have defeated Ukraine in “three [to] four days,” if not for American weapons deliveries. However, he went on to note that the US probably gave Ukraine more weapons than it should have under former President Joe Biden, surpassing even Europe.
“We’re in there for 300 billion dollars,” Trump said, adding that he wants US arms manufacturers to speed up their production processes.
“We get a lot of bulls**t thrown at us by Putin, if you wanna know the truth,” the US president claimed, stating that the Russian leader “is very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.”
When asked about a sanctions bill put forward by Republican Senator Lindsey Graham, which calls for more punitive measures against Moscow, Trump said that he was “looking at it.”
“It’s an optional bill,” Trump stressed, noting that the final decision as to whether to impose new sanctions lies solely with him.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 18:08 utc | 16

Off-topic, but just wanted to register my delight at the news of the death of the number-two-cunt of thatcher’s government, norman tebbit (I will not dignify these names with initial capitals). Praise the Lord.
Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 17:54 utc | 11
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Praise the Lord …. Indeed !!

Posted by: Engineer John | Jul 8 2025 18:11 utc | 17

https://www.saba.ye/es/news3513380.htm
Teacher – Children what would you like to be when you grow up?
Children – Ansarullah!
ура ура ура 🙂

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Jul 8 2025 18:15 utc | 18

Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 18:02 utc | 14.
That plus it lights up their defense locations

Posted by: Mary | Jul 8 2025 18:15 utc | 19

“The harbor is currently coordinating with the neighboring port of Antwerp in Belgium on how to manage cargo flows…”
Are there “coordinating” contingencies for total destruction by Russian missiles? As Mike Tyson said re plans…

Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 18:17 utc | 20

The Outlaw US of A and NAFO shall be fully defeated by the RUF on the battleground.
That’s a given.
Time for DJT to surrender unconditionally.
Ukraine is long gone.

Posted by: pepe | Jul 8 2025 18:21 utc | 21

“We’re in there for 300 billion dollars,” Trump said…
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 18:08 utc | 16

Everything is going according to plan.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 8 2025 18:24 utc | 22

wow sputnik reports EU between 2021-2024 it spent 350billion each year on defense. So that is on top of losses due to sanctions.Now has even greater plans.Factories just cannot keepup .
UK gov seems very pleased today proudly Russia is behind trouble-announcing some near do wells (traitors colluding with the enemy)sent to jailfor crimes againstUkrainiansafter finding and being recruited by some Wagnergroup on telegram called “Grey Zone”….well what is the evidence beyond the name…we are not given that.£Sounds a bit of a set up to me.

Posted by: Jo | Jul 8 2025 18:24 utc | 23

O/T.
But, lets hope it has a domino effect on Nato – and we see an exodus of nations – from the warmongering bullyboys club.
“Due to mass public opposition to increased member defence spending ‘agreed’ at the NATO conference, Slovenia will now hold a referendum on NATO membership. This could have far-reaching consequences across the alliance.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 18:27 utc | 24

we are slowwalking into ww3 with these lunatics in nato, a bunch of nazis if i ever saw some.
for some strange reason, nato and the statesponsors of terrorism (uk/eu) cannot let ukraine fall. the most corrupt nation in europe, neither part of nato nor the eu, is of utmost importance for them. and nobody can give a clear answer why we, the people living on the european subcontinent, should care so much about it.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 8 2025 18:30 utc | 25

Not sure about decoy drones and air defence; in pretty well all of the video clips I’ve seen lately there’s no sign of any air defence activity, nothing launched or heading towards the incoming drones or missiles at all. Sometimes the sound of heavy machine gun fire is audible, but it doesn’t seem to be effective.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 8 2025 18:33 utc | 26

Clever to target recruiters! Very very clever.

Posted by: G wiltek | Jul 8 2025 18:35 utc | 27

Natalya Volkova | Jul 8 2025 18:15 utc | 18–
It’s good to see you posting comments here at the bar.
Southfront for several months now has a daily recap of Russian drone strike videos that show just how gruesome and widespread they are. Russia is now using several types of anti-drone drones along its lines to defeat both surveillance and attack drones. Plus, Russia appears to have developed a detection method to locate Ukrainian drone operation centers which once discovered are immediately targeted by Iskandar missiles. IMO, the best defense against the Geranium drones are the Pantsir AD system, particularly the newest upgraded system that’s provided with more ammo and thus more effective against drone swarms. As far as I’m aware, no NATO nation is trying to copy the Pantsir.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2025 18:54 utc | 28

“The port of Rotterdam in the Netherlands is preparing for a possible conflict between NATO and Russia by reserving space for vessels carrying weapons and making plans to host regular military drills, the Financial Times reported on Tuesday.

The Russian MOD is preparing for a possible conflict between NATO and Russia by reserving Oreshniks for ports hosting vessels carrying weapons. Rotterdam can FAFO.

Posted by: Drifter | Jul 8 2025 18:54 utc | 29

Off-topic, but just wanted to register my delight at the news of the death of the number-two-cunt of thatcher’s government, norman tebbit (I will not dignify these names with initial capitals). Praise the Lord.
Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 17:54 utc | 11
I’ll drink to that ! Just a shame it took so long.

Posted by: Red Star | Jul 8 2025 19:02 utc | 30

Series production of the Oreshniks began a few weeks ago, Putin said recently. However, they will not be used, but will probably be collected for the expected war against Europe in the Baltic sea and for Belarus, which is expected to receive 10.

Posted by: smartfox | Jul 8 2025 19:04 utc | 31

One has to salute the Ukrainian soldiers; they are tough-politically misdirected to fight against their fellow Slavs-but tough nonetheless.
In my opinion these Uke Slavs have been the best of all Western proxies in the last two hundred years-better than the British Indian Sepoys; better than the South Koreans; better than the South Vietnamese; better than the Afghans in 2021 under Biden (ha,ha).
Perhaps second place could be awarded to the Spanish armed resistance to Napoleon whom were proxies for the Brits 1808-1814.

Posted by: canuk | Jul 8 2025 19:11 utc | 32

20 My thoughts exactly.
The US isn’t going to fight a nuclear war over Netherlands or Belgium so why are the Dutch and Belgians antagonising the Bear and risking it.

Posted by: Cavery | Jul 8 2025 19:12 utc | 33

“We get a lot of bulls**t thrown at us by Putin, if you wanna know the truth,” the US president claimed, stating that the Russian leader “is very nice all the time, but it turns out to be meaningless.”
The narcissistic manipulator who thinks everyone else is a mark, finds out he is being manipulated.

Posted by: Mike R | Jul 8 2025 19:22 utc | 34

Following a good point by Catdog | Jul 8 2025 17:36 utc | 3, presumably the decoys will be launched first with the real drones in a second wave. I’m guessing any defensive missiles launched by Ukraine at the initial wave will have insufficient time to re-arm and re-launch..
Posted by: horseguards | Jul 8 2025 18:02 utc | 14
Russia’s best bet is to seed the decoys randomly. If they send them in distinct waves then the Ukrainians will learn to hold their fire and wait for the second wave. It has to be random if they’re striking day and night otherwise the pattern will become obvious.
IMO what the US military are getting out of this war is intelligence. It’s basically a mapping operation and they have years of ELINT, SIGINT and movement data to find patterns in the data and build EW suites. No country in the history of warfare has had the time and technical ability to watch every movement of an army at war and had tools like AI available to sort out that data. Not only do they get to find patterns but they get to test them out because the war is ongoing.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 8 2025 19:25 utc | 35

HBNorica. nope, the wee bit of sig int isn’t shit. The Russians are evolving much faster. The US is slow, fat and corrupt. We’re all hype over substance. Stop venerating tic-tac-toe players who are being schooled by checkers and go players.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jul 8 2025 19:39 utc | 36

@ karlof1 #28
Yes pantsir, well I do not know what the west does, generally a lot of talk and nothing.
For detection, tracking and elimination we are actively developing the use of mobile network infrastructure, base stations. Many fpv drones have a cellular modem and they activate periodically when passing them. Of course this works with greater distances better, especially any trying to fly from inside Russia. But the general principle of triangulation through base stations, I think you call it cellular towers, anyway all this becomes a type of radar. Filtering data and application, it will happen. I am not a specialist but it is something like that.
War is the mother of all things – Heraclitus

Posted by: Natalya Volkova | Jul 8 2025 19:52 utc | 37

and nobody can give a clear answer why the people living on the european subcontinent, should care so much about Ukraine
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 8 2025 18:30 utc | 25

Just fall off the turnip truck?
Ukraine = Russia = Energy
Energy = MIC = $USD
We dont just want Russia’s shit, we MUST have Russia’s shit to keep the Western financial system going.
I’m not sure which option is best, WW3 or capitulation. Capitulation means the shape shifters have split for Russia & China, leaving the dollar behind while the dessicated host (normies) wake up to a new life of poverty.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 8 2025 19:59 utc | 38

@12
Do you think Rotterdam would have been open 48 hours after Warsaw force started ww II in 1985?
It is even more nonsensical to plan for Rotterdam being open as a port 4 hours after RF decided to smack NAFO!
Look at Haifa and Ashdod, RF has a good if not better missiles.
NAFO hype is dedicated to Lockheed and Boeing profits.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 8 2025 20:37 utc | 39

There was an assassination of a local banderite mobilization official today. 404 hadn’t had so many good news in such a short time in its existence.

Posted by: boneless | Jul 8 2025 20:40 utc | 40

… nobody can give a clear answer why we, the people living on the european subcontinent, should care so much about it.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jul 8 2025 18:30 utc | 25
These are not “the people who live in Europe”, these are just a will-less silent majority. It’s just some politicians, Nazis, and the media that control everything. (Who controls this media in fact?)
I just read an analysis yesterday that only 4% of families in Western Europe have been controlling everything for 150 years, practically without interruption.

Posted by: smartfox | Jul 8 2025 20:44 utc | 41

“The Russian forces are in the process of semi-encircling Pokrovsk and Konstantynivka (see maps below).”
Ah, the famous semi-encirclement tactic. The Russians are also in the process of semi-winning against the Ukrainians and semi-conquering the Donbass. It’s all part of semi-fulfilling the plan.
But don’t worry folks, the big arrow offensive is just around the corner. Russians will just race to Odessa, because Russia has to conquer it, you know. It’s just like me : I’ ve decided that I need to get rich quick, so I just to win the lottery, it’s just bound to happen. If I say it enough times it may just happen.

Posted by: Micron | Jul 8 2025 20:55 utc | 42

Make Russia Great Again: Looks like Putin is achieving what Trump doesn’t: In-source production and stop exporting know-how and jobs. Thanks to Trump I, Biden and, most importantly, the European Union. With the masterstroke being selling off Western industries, complete with know-how and workers, to Russia at bargain bottom prices …
– ️Airlines will receive their first fully import-substituted aircraft in 2026;
– the average level of use of domestic software has reached almost 50%;

Posted by: Marvin | Jul 8 2025 20:59 utc | 43

Fuck off lying troll!

Posted by: Naive | Jul 8 2025 21:07 utc | 44

This French troll is coming here to lie about Russia when his own country gets bankrupted and when the level of poor people was never so high as today. His government prefers to care about the ukronazis rather than to its own people.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 8 2025 21:15 utc | 45

At the beginning of WW2 the British manufactured approximately 3K twin engined medium bombers with a max bomb load of 4500 lbs, by ‘43 they were producing 7k, many of whom were the four engined heavies with max bomb load of 14,000 lbs. Unless the conflict is essentially over before it starts then the quantity, sophistication and capabilities of all weapon systems normally improves in at least one of those categories, often all three, especially on the side with strategic advantage.
It’s just another indicator on the direction that the war is heading and not all that surprising, the interesting point reached will be when these increases become decisive, and the enemy counters, although also improving in sophistication, either cannot match the production numbers or are become simply insufficient in capability. German home defences certainly improved in quality and effectiveness but were simply overwhelmed by numbers and the growing capabilities of the Allied bomber offensive.
Posted by: paddy | Jul 8 2025 20:37 utc | 39
The main disruption to Haifa was caused because of the state of conflict causing a temporary suspension of container traffic, not damage to port facilities. The Iranians could have used some of their more vintage 200 CEP models and still achieved the same result.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 8 2025 21:37 utc | 46

Posted by: Micron | Jul 8 2025 20:55 utc | 42
MR. MACRON, STOP TALKING FUCKIN BOLLOX.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jul 8 2025 21:37 utc | 47

The Big Arrow is coming, but when we do not know.
Actually the Big Arrow may not be coming at all, if Ukronazi defensive lines continue to collapse in numerous places, the Big Arrow may not even be necessary!
The next six weeks of dry season action will tell the tail…..I will be amazed if we do not witness a major league collapse in some substantial sector of the very long front in four to six weeks, but we will see. No ammo, no fuel, no defense.
The major RF objective is still the liberation of Odessa (and the Krajina) and all the Black Sea ports and the destruction of the RN Naval Station Odessa.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2025 21:45 utc | 48

Milites 46 – the western MSM still has not acknowledged the massive damage that was inflicted on the Haifa industrial/refinery/chemical complex by Iranian missile and drone strikes.
Nor the damage to IDF air and intell bases
Nor the damage at Dimona or in Tel Aviv or on the “Settler” forts…….
No video coverage permitted in the “democratic” state of occupied Palestine.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2025 21:54 utc | 49

We have to consider that any patriot missiles sent to Ukraine will be depleted rapidly. On the other hand, those sent to Israel will last much longer, as Iran doesn’t have anywhere near the capability to hunt down Patriot launchers that Russia does, and Iran doesn’t have as many missiles to launch at Israel as Russia does at Ukraine. Further, there is an active ceasefire right now between Iran and Israel. 10 missiles will last about as long as ice cream left in the sun in Cairo.
Trump needs to look up the term “zugzwang” in the dictionary. He’s got no moves to win, only losing ones. This stalls the neo-cons from screaming at him for a week, at best.

Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jul 8 2025 22:06 utc | 50

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2025 21:54 utc | 49
You are correct; but in my mind this censorship shows weakness

Posted by: canuk | Jul 8 2025 22:07 utc | 51

Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 8 2025 21:54 utc | 49
I’d think by now there’d have been some evidence of this ‘massive damage’, either photographic or as regards data. Certainly Maersk are resuming imports, though export levels are subject to a conflict evaluation.
As for the no-photographic evidence, hah, try that in Israel with most people owning multiple mobile phones. Surely Iranian spies could fly a covert drone to show how effectively the regime fought back. Sorry, this seems to be a re-run of ‘73, where the narrative of ‘victory’ seems to be built on, well at least we lasted longer than six days this time..
As for mobiles, you might want to ask why people are being randomly stopped in Iran and their mobiles searched for any anti-government messages. Do that in Israel and you’d either have a riot on your hands or a massive stack of confiscated phones!

Posted by: Milites | Jul 8 2025 22:16 utc | 52

The SloMO continues to bear fruit in all facets.
1) By avoiding making life difficult for the Ukrainians, no emergency is felt in them. By striking factories at night, civilian casualties are avoided.
2) The lies of the Russian orc hordes, and how much they hate Ukrainians, is dissipated. For over three years now, the populace sees very little “hatred” towards them, and a war being waged on a distant eastern front, with some explosions here and there.
3) the recruiters, over the years, have become the more feared of sounds. A knock at your door has become scarier than the sound of an air siren or drone or missile flying in the sky.
4) Now Russian intelligence has assessed that the TCC is considered more an enemy than Russian missiles. It took a long time for this to become a realization among the populace, but now Russian strategists believe it is so, so now they hit recruiting centers, in day time.
In a war of extermination, this would all be a waste of Russian soldiers’ lives, but in a war of conquest, the Ukrainians will be Russians in the end, so their feelings must be taken into consideration at all times.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2025 22:17 utc | 53

I just read an analysis yesterday that only 4% of families in Western Europe have been controlling everything for 150 years, practically without interruption.
Posted by: smartfox | Jul 8 2025 20:44 utc | 41
===============
Can you post a link, or say where you read it (book?)?
Thanks.
I have a book in my bookshelf titled The Persistence of the Ancien Regime, by Arno J. Mayer, but I haven’t read it.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:18 utc | 54

Posted by: Micron | Jul 8 2025 20:55 utc | 42
One ballista bolt or twenty cloth-yard shaft arrows, choose wisely!

Posted by: Milites | Jul 8 2025 22:18 utc | 55

Posted by: paddy | Jul 8 2025 20:37 utc | 39
With all dues respect you are wrong about WW2 bombing in Germany.
John Kenneth Galbraith, an economist did a study on the effective ness of Allied bombing in Germany visa vi war production.
Galbreath proved that the allied bombing had actually increased German war production.
Why? (Curtis Lemay killed Galbreath’s 1946 paper-basically censored it- as he was the US air force Genaralissimo and wanted that Pentagon money for the air force)
Back then it was indiscriminate bombing , many time as the AD was over factories bombers would drop off their loads on the suburbs.
So what happened when their houses were blown up so they lived at the factories and worked longer.
And it PISSED people off, just like in Iran today and gave to heightened morale (1)
1.” After the war, Galbraith served as a member of the Strategic Bombing Survey which analyzed the impact of the Allied air attacks on Nazi Germany’s industrial base. The experience was significant in several ways. Galbraith and his colleagues found that, contrary to the claims of the U.S. Air Force, Germany’s war production rose for much of the period when American and British air attacks were at their fiercest. Needless to say, Galbraith ended up in the middle of a raging controversy.
The real significance of Galbraith’s Strategic Bombing Survey experience was to produce a strong skepticism on his part about claims of military effectiveness. This unsettling assessment grew into a profound awareness of the social and economic effects of vast expenditures on weapons development and large peacetime military establishments which, for the first time, came to dominate the fiscal policy of the U.S in the years following World War II.”

Posted by: canuk | Jul 8 2025 22:19 utc | 56

Is there a need for a “big arrow”? If lots of small arrows are working well enough?
Western military thinking (at least the Armchair Division) always seems to look at matters through the lens of “Maximum Available”, whereas Russian military thinking around the SMO (at least from my armchair) looks like “Minimum Necessary” to achieve the objectives.
Why hurry? There’s no need to satisfy the impatience of Western punditry, that is not a goal of the SMO.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 8 2025 22:20 utc | 57

We dont just want Russia’s shit, we MUST have Russia’s shit to keep the Western financial system going.. .
Posted by: Markw | Jul 8 2025 19:59 utc | 38
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But we (Europe) were enjoying “Russia’s shit” perfectly nicely. Oil plus natgas.
And we supposedly had enough of our own “shit.”
So we just want to waste more precious “shit” to steal Russia’s shit.
The US military is the greatest polluter on the planet, wasting precious resources and poisoning the atmosphere.
I would love to know what the EIER ratio is for going to war in order to grab energy that one could have bought on the open market, or via advantageous contracts. China isn’t obliged to go to war with Russia to get gas and oil. Just built a pipeline (Power of Siberia). Or with Iran.
The West just seems so Stoopid!!!
BTW, what does NAFO stand for?

Posted by: Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:24 utc | 58

I’d think by now there’d have been some evidence of this ‘massive damage’, either photographic or as regards data.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 8 2025 22:16 utc | 52
I keep thinking the same about Yuzhmash, yet somehow, for some reason, coverage has been locked down very effectively.
Peculiar that nobody wants to release images of places that have been supposedly heavily damaged/obliterated showing these locations working normally, surely that would be the most conclusive way to quash rumours/speculation: “Hey, here we are guys, nothing happened, everything is ticking along fine. Stay tuned to our channel for further updates ”; but, for ‘reasons’, nobody wants to do this…
Weird, huh…?

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 8 2025 22:31 utc | 59

but in a war of conquest, the Ukrainians will be Russians in the end, so their feelings must be taken into consideration at all times.
Posted by: UWDude | Jul 8 2025 22:17 utc | 53
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I guess in the USA the idea of Reconquista of the USA by Mexico is more popular for a certain political faction than is Russia’s reconquest of the Ukraine.

Posted by: Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:39 utc | 60

Please do not berate micron. He might be stretched thin in the information war, facing the risk of collapse in opinion on multiple blogs despite the absence of Russian big PR arrows. Show some mercy.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 8 2025 22:42 utc | 61

Despite the hype Trump never actually stopped all weapons going to Ukraine anyway. What fool tries to broker peace and pretend they are neutral while continuing to support the country you made as a proxy for your war in the first place? No change to Russia, it acts with dignity but knows Trump is an idiot they cannot trust.
In any case as soon as Israel starts its next attack on Iran since Netanyahu has once again gone to Washington to hold out his grubby hand and ingratiate Trump the Zionist, who still intends to use the Gaza as his favoured club med-style real estate development on the corpses of crushed children, then Ukraine will once again be abandoned. America simply cannot support two freeloaders it has turned into hungry Frankensteins, and so will support the Zionist genociders once again.

Posted by: George | Jul 8 2025 22:43 utc | 62

@ canuk | Jul 8 2025 22:19 utc | 56
Interesting!

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 8 2025 22:46 utc | 63

Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@57…..why hurry? Someone’s has to bring the SMO turned Tragic Comedy to an end, the families of the undead will appreciate it……
Cheers M
…..I see Yankee running NOTAMs on the north side of your little island…reds under his bed….

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 8 2025 22:47 utc | 64

The Iranians could have used some of their more vintage 200 CEP models and still achieved the same result.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 8 2025 21:37 utc | 46
But not the same effects. 🙂

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 8 2025 22:49 utc | 65

But we (Europe) were enjoying “Russia’s shit” perfectly nicely.
Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:24 utc | 58
Ahh, now I see the problem. I guess the mistake I and a few others make is assuming people at a forum like MoA understand the private money credit system.
Merely enjoying the use of Russia’s supply of oil and gas simply makes one a customer of the owner. Basically identical to an apartment renter enjoying all the benefits of property ownership, including rights of tenancy, without actually holding legal title.
However, as everyone here does know, the name of the game, whether as an individual, organization/corporation, or state is *ownership*.
In terms of banking, actually owning property, resources, IP, etc allows one to increase their deposit base by first collateralizing, then re-hypothecating via endless cycles of credit creation a wholly imaginary asset base in order to control money supply, interest rates and inflation.
In other words, the whole kit & kabodle. It’s a noble game played by the masters while useless eaters toil at routine foundational tasks.
But their wonderful world will come crashing down if they (we) fail at capturing Russia’s vast natural resources to ‘legally’ claim as our own aka spoils of war.
Which is why I say, why would they start WW3 only to lose everything, when they can once again shape shift and move to Russia & China, waiting patiently 100-200 years until the inevitable cycle of corruption and decay allows them once more to gain control?
If I’m right, and they do bail on the $dollar, say goodbye to the “American way of life”.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 8 2025 22:54 utc | 66

If I’m right, and they do bail on the $dollar, say goodbye to the “American way of life”.
Posted by: Markw | Jul 8 2025 22:54 utc | 66
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If/when that happens (it is already happening, IMO), the Hoi Polloi will tend to miss the lesson.
Rackets are most effective when the “mark” never wises up.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 8 2025 23:04 utc | 67

LoveDonbass | Jul 8 2025 23:04 utc | 67
Your not Hoi — or even Poloi.
LoveDonbass | Jul 8 2025 22:06 utc | 242
Subject change, dismissed. I addressed giyane, you replied. What are you?
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 8 2025 22:14 utc | 243 Palestine Open
… disappear … disappear … m

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 8 2025 23:26 utc | 68

@ canuk | Jul 8 2025 22:19 utc | 56
“Interesting!”
Posted by: I forgot | Jul 8 2025 22:46 utc | 63
Thanks.
However, today, with bigger munitions and GPS/Glonas- precise bombing can occur so air bombing now would have a much greater effect on war production et al than 80 years ago.

Posted by: canuk | Jul 8 2025 23:45 utc | 69

Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 17:59 utc | 12
…Rotterdam, … would have a dedicated quay for NATO supply ships + (buddy up with An-twerp)
The Rules of the Game in the sloSMO are fudgy (to me)….. but I think they both just declared themselves a “legitimate military target”
And a place for Mr Kinzhal or gender-neutral Oreshnik to visit…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 8 2025 23:48 utc | 70

Jane at 54 “I have a book in my bookshelf titled The Persistence of the Ancien Regime, by Arno J. Mayer, but I haven’t read it.”
Strongly encourage you to do so. It’s dry but still a remarkable survey of the ability of aristocratic elites to maintain their holdings while extending them to industry. His tally of their hold over government and military positions over time was astonishing.

Posted by: dadooronron | Jul 8 2025 23:53 utc | 71

@ Markw | Jul 8 2025 22:54 utc | 66
> Ahh, now I see the problem. I guess the mistake I and a few others make is assuming people at a forum like MoA understand the private money credit system.
I think it’s possible to hold Jane’s opinion while simultaneously understanding the private money credit system at least to some degree. (Your potential reply: “You say because you don’t.”). Perhaps Jane just thinks what’s being done is stupid, because Russia was selling its raw material *cheaply* to the West instead of using it to develop their own internal higher-value industries. So, the arrangement already favored the west. I bet Jane agrees with much of your writing otherwise.

I suspect they’re bailing on the dollar as well. I’m unsure where they’re investing next. Im undecided whether the “vapor currency” pimps are trying to scam the usual marks (retail and Calpers) or attempting to disintermediate subordinate central banks and thus cull the highly paid eConomist herd that the very top clans think skim too much.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 8 2025 23:54 utc | 72

Show some mercy.
Posted by: I forgot | Jul 8 2025 22:42 utc | 61
Nope! No way!

Posted by: Naive | Jul 8 2025 23:56 utc | 73

We are heading for a show down.
All the bs about the US being incapable of building more missiles is just some king of red herring ploy imo.
Playing lame.
You can be sure that production is being built up.
Which will be a ‘surprise’ Yankee Doodle ‘can do’ revelation.
The RF and allies will know that is probable.
I also doubt we have seen all their new weapons yet.
Which has likely been the natzo strategy in the destruction of their sacrificial proxy war. To watch and find out.
Oreshnik has only made one appearance so far afaik.
The world war is reaching its decisive moments.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2025 23:56 utc | 74

BTW, what does NAFO stand for?
Posted by: Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:24 utc | 58

nafo is a global community of guys who fundraise for the support of the ukronazis. And of cause they rely the ukronazi lies and propaganda.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 9 2025 0:02 utc | 75

Posted by: DunGroanin | Jul 8 2025 23:56 utc | 74
Oreshnik is an exceedingly potent weapon that can be used where nukes (even tactical nukes) cannot. It certainly gives Russia the edge. There was an article about this in RT yesterday
1.No radiation short or long term.
2.No risk of MAD which would kill out billions and cause starvation for any left.
The two reasons above are why nukes have not been used for 80 years, miraculously saner heads have prevailed so far.

Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 0:09 utc | 76

Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 18:08 utc | 16
Lol! Trump:
>Washington has given Kiev the “best [military] equipment ever made.”
>300 billion dollars (muh money…europe shoulda paid)
>Lindsay Graham sanctions bill….

TrumpTeamTrix are slowly realising they’ve run out of runway..
Putin has “demilitarised” them… who could have imagined in 2022 the mighty USAUSAUSA would be crying uncle because they’d chewed through their war-chest. {well actually RUSI + Berletic and a few others} predicted the U$ would be depleted
Russia has survived and thrived under the SanctionsFromHell™️.
Some TrumpTeamTrix have worked out the SanctionsFromHell have hurt the U$ ….and Graham’s package (i snigger, “package”) is actually a high velocity boomerang that will hit the U$.
Trump and TrumpTeamTrix want to get busy “choking China”.. that’s the schedule. But Russia (and Iran) are taking “too long”….
This week’s BRICS in Brazil has shown the RoW has its own plans and can sidestep the U$.
Trump can cry on Truth Social. In fact Medvedev loves to read Trumps latest tantrum. And the rest of us enjoy reading off-his-Meds-vedev response.
Who knew geopolitics could be reduced to a mean girls reality TV show.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 0:13 utc | 77

Jane | Jul 8 2025 22:24 utc | 58
NAFO stand for?
Well actually, there’s no a lot of “standing”
The “F” stands for “fellas” and also for “fellatio”.
Yes. That’s what the NATO support crew call themselves.
………
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And whatever happened to Sarah? He-she-it was so prolific a year ago, and then cut off her hair and last I saw was in a rather drab khaki… not the rainbows and unicorns she-he-it was “proud” to post to she-he-its socmed

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 0:20 utc | 78

As far as I’m aware, no NATO nation is trying to copy the Pantsir.
karlof1 | Jul 8 2025 18:54 utc | 28

I’m not up to date with the topic, so would appreciate if someone who is could give or link to an overview re NATO AD developments. After needing the Franken-SAM one would expect they will address the topic. Or are they giving up on peer-to-peer armies to go full-on guerilla and terrorist legion, perhaps?
https://greydynamics.com/vampires-in-ukraine-l3s-new-rocket-system/
Germany gave mothballed cold-war era Flakpanzer Gepard SPAAG to Ukraine, and recently I saw that 35mm ammo is still being shipped and even reordered. b wrote an article about the Gepard once, pointing out the high level of training required to use them; but I also heard that Ukraine likes them more than the refurbished Leo 1 and even 2A4. In testing the Gepard shot down a mortar bomb at one point, so I’ll assume it’s perfect against attack drones. I’m not following the war on this level of detail usually, so would really like to hear some kind of performance report if available. Persuing the interwebs on this gave almost nothing, which likely means people prefer not to talk about it too much for now; but I saw this which indicates it’s doing well.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 9 2025 0:27 utc | 79

Posted by: canuk | Jul 8 2025 22:19 utc | 56
I don’t think the increased mobilisation of the German war economy was as a result of strategic bombing, more a case of realising unused potential and implementing reforms, due to a collapsing strategic situation. The concept of total war being used by German propagandists after the disaster at Stalingrad. The other problems with the survey is that it is impossible to say in what state the German industrial base would have been in if there had been no strategic bombing and how that would have affected the war and units of production is a very crude metric. The workarounds mentioned in the report often produced inferior products that performed poorly in combat, which often had operational impacts.
https://www.raf.mod.uk/what-we-do/centre-for-air-and-space-power-studies/aspr/apr-vol14-iss2-2-pdf/
A good summary of later research suggesting the bombing offensive had a significant strategic impact, by imposing huge toons in the German economy, with Tooze suggesting Bomber Command stopped the German industrial revival in its tracks.
Seems we are still largely, in regards to the strategic bombing debate, in the lions led by donkeys territory of WW1 scholarship that so distorted our understanding of that conflict. Not helped by the political stance adopted by some of the authors on both subjects, as well as gross distortions by the media and entertainments industry.
It’s the same as Belton Cooper’s much quoted research in ‘Death Traps, that unfairly shaped people’s perceptions and led to the myth of superior German armour design, or the post-War adoration of the battleship Bismark.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 8 2025 22:31 utc | 59
Very odd, almost like the F-35’s ‘shot down’ by Iran, gives a whole new meaning to stealth!
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 8 2025 22:49 utc | 65
Yes it would, as the conflict itself caused the disruption due to major companies suspending operations. It’s similar to the change in IRA tactics, when they realised a bomb threat was just as effective as a bomb itself in causing disruption, without the bad PR of casualties.
Iranian missiles achieved very little, they failed to operationally shape the conflict and often ended up destroying residential targets. They are, in effect, very big Saggers, a weapon that gained near mythical status but whose effectiveness was dependent on critical operating factors and conditions that largely disappeared, as the conflict progressed. Crudely put, whose planes flew over whose capital is a quite good indicator of who bested whom.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:30 utc | 80

Huge toons! Sorry not visions of a massive Bugs Bunny running amok in the Ruhr but should read ‘frictions’.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:32 utc | 81

” Trump acknowledged, referring to his attempts to settle the Ukraine conflict, adding that Washington has given Kiev the “best [military] equipment ever made.”
Republicofscotland | Jul 8 2025 18:08 utc | 16

The best way to end the hegemony of the yankeeland was to elect a buffoon as president. He is so out of reality, so stupid, so megalomaniac that it will hasten the end.
The best weapons are now made by China and Russia. If things get serious let’s see the first yankee carrier being sent to the bottom of the sea.
And now Mileikovsky proposed this buffoon for the nobel peace prize. Ludicrous, isn’t it?

Posted by: Naive | Jul 9 2025 0:34 utc | 82

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 9 2025 0:27 utc | 79
Sounds more impressive than it is, as the bomb flies in a slow, predictable trajectory and is constructed mainly of metal. In the early eighties a Seawolf missile hit a 4.5 in shell in flight, that’s impressive for the time, mortar bomb in 2025, not so much.
A good SPAAG, but increasingly unable to counter the increased threats, even in the 80’s.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:38 utc | 83

Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:30 utc | 80
Iranian missiles achieved very little,
The port of Haifa would disagree.
they failed to operationally shape the conflict
Over in 7 days. With Israel calling uncle.. and Uncle Trump obliged with a theatrical B(S)2 aeronautical display.
and often ended up destroying residential targets.
Oh, no, “residential targets”…… after Gaza, I just don’t give a shit.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 0:41 utc | 84

The Russian MOD is preparing for a possible conflict between NATO and Russia by reserving Oreshniks for ports hosting vessels carrying weapons. Rotterdam can FAFO.
Drifter | Jul 8 2025 18:54 utc | 29

Hamburg too. A plan to get the port ready for major wartime operations made in on the front page of the local Morgenpost newspaper a while back; chance had it that I met a retired NATO colonel on the very same day, so I asked him about it – he said “I do not understand this” which is just what I will say as well. We also agreed that it was not worth the 2.50€ to buy the paper to try and find out more, lol.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 9 2025 0:41 utc | 85

The best weapons are now made by China and Russia. If things get serious let’s see the first yankee carrier being sent to the bottom of the sea.
And now Mileikovsky proposed this buffoon for the nobel peace prize. Ludicrous, isn’t it?
Posted by: Naive | Jul 9 2025 0:34 utc | 82
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It is ludicrous, but it is kinda exciting living through the collapse of an Empire.
The economic, military, and social collapses.
This is history, crazy or not.
Besides, America does have the best weapons. Whatever the other guys have, Trump is sure that they stole the technology from the US.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 0:45 utc | 86

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 0:45 utc | 86
Billions gone in one hit. Carriers are old technology now, and the US is far too dependent on them in maintaining its crumbling hegemony.

Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 0:54 utc | 87

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 0:41 utc | 84
So you’re BDA and conflict analysis is based on nothing concrete, nothing substantive, merely a biased interpretation of events, ok have it your way but don’t be surprised when events occur that might suggest an alternative scenario took place. Guess Ukraine’s winning after all, given your methodology.

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:56 utc | 88

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:30 utc | 80
With all due respect, Milites, I have more confidence in Galbraith’s well researched report than I do of your ideas.
The real idea is that the Allied bombing cost tons of dough for a negative result- wasted resources.

Posted by: canuk | Jul 9 2025 0:57 utc | 89

Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 0:09 utc | 76
You are absolutely corct

Posted by: canuk | Jul 9 2025 0:58 utc | 90

Billions gone in one hit. Carriers are old technology now, and the US is far too dependent on them in maintaining its crumbling hegemony.
Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 0:54 utc | 87
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Carriers are a sunk cost. They belong to an older time.
They continue to bleed out the West with maintenance costs and diminishing returns.
It goes back to the core problems with the Capitalist/democratic West. The MIC wants to sell legacy systems, and there is no incentive (yet) to offer better value for money.
The carriers are a sore spot, IMO. The greater issue is that they are for a style of warfare that is outdated.
As Russia has proven in Ukraine, Western doctrine hasn’t evolved to keep up with the ROW.
Christ, Yemen scares off IDF planes and chases away America’s carriers.
Yemen.
They are strong-willed and courageous, but they are holding their own technologically.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 1:03 utc | 91

Tangential to topic:
Middle East Spectator telegram just posted:

Telegram, PLEASE fix the translation button, this is getting ridiculous. It’s been almost 2 weeks.
It is severely impacting my work & the work of countless other news channels.
You’re slowly destroying your own app.

As more and more and more people migrate to telegram for reporting… and can see, uncensored, Haifa eat some Iranian incoming; … see Israel bomb a street of civilian cars stopped at traffic lights in Tehran (blah,legitimate military target); see post after jerky cellphone post of Ukrainian “recruitment”… as telegram becomes the messenger of choice for millions in the information starved west…of course telegram will be subverted and silenced.
Damn shame. Even if entirely predictable.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 1:05 utc | 92

Trump is now threatening “to impose 200% tariffs on drug imports to the US”. That ought to please mass cheap generic drugs manufacturer India and seriously raise medical costs for the average American. Lucky the government ‘of the super rich, by the super rich, for the super rich’ got their ‘big beautiful bill’ passed.

Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 1:08 utc | 93

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 1:05 utc | 92
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Such is evolution.
There will always be casualties. Creative destruction.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 1:08 utc | 94

As far as I’m aware, no NATO nation is trying to copy the Pantsir.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 8 2025 18:54 utc | 28
They should, wondered the same thing. Focus seems to be on directed energy AD, and why are those systems not being rolled out in UKrain? Rain? Moisture in the air? Working Energy AD would perhaps be more important than Patriots.
Posted by: Micron | Jul 8 2025 20:55 utc | 42
R U dat anonymous dumbshit? Half encirclement with drone coverage equals practical full encirclement, which is a way to soften defenses due to lack of resupply and ammunition. A successful tactic throughout human history.

Posted by: jopalolive | Jul 9 2025 1:09 utc | 95

The snippet of Trump calling out Putin’s “bullshit”.
(No account necessary) https://t.me/Middle_East_Spectator/21545
Trump has the look of a man who signed a 500billion dollar “minerals” deal only to discover he got scammed. (But not by Putin)

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 1:13 utc | 96

Posted by: Micron | Jul 8 2025 20:55 utc | 42
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Russia is developing laser complexes to handle drones. We have seen video of them in action.
Iran has Seraj (laser AD), and the Pentagon has talked about Iran’s plasma weapons.
We know the Chinese have some laser weapons in their navy.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 1:25 utc | 97

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 9 2025 1:03 utc | 91
And billions in aircraft will potentially go down to visit Neptune at the same time. The weakest link in the hegemony.
People spent a lot of time discussing the potential ‘Thucydides trap’ between China and the US but few people have observed that Sparta, a Greek state that was incredibly well prepared as a warrior nation (like Russia and potentially China) with a non-democratic oligarchy of two kings destroyed democratic Athens and its hegemonic (Delian League) control that had been largely established through its sea faring prowess. Sparta, previously not seen as a sea power of significance, eventually destroyed the Athenian navy as well which spelled the end of the Athenian hegemony and caused it to lose the Peloponnesian Wars.
“Athens’s heavy-handed control of the Delian League prompted the outbreak of the Peloponnesian War; the League was dissolved upon the war’s conclusion in 404 BC”. Sound familiar?

Posted by: George | Jul 9 2025 1:29 utc | 98

Posted by: Milites | Jul 9 2025 0:30 utc | 80

it is impossible to say in what state the German industrial base would have been in if there had been no strategic bombing and how that would have affected the war and units of production is a very crude metric

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One thing not mentioned is that the air war caused immense industrial resources diverted from the army to the anti-aircraft defences. I read that 50% of the optics industry was making sights for AA guns.
It is well known that the Allies used the long range bomber raids on Berlin to force the Luftwaffe to come up and fight, where their un-agile bomber destroying fighters were decimated by long range fighters like the Mustang.
In short, it is practically impossible to use gross industrial production as a good metric for the impact of the air war on Germany.

Posted by: john brewster | Jul 9 2025 1:32 utc | 99

Hey, Rythmic Slang… got a gold heist story for you ………

33Tons Of Gold, Silver Concentrate Hijacked In Mexico
Armed thieves in Mexico hijacked a truck transporting 33tons of gold and silver concentrate belonging to the Mexican mining firm Grupo Minero Bacis, local media reported.
The precious metals heist underscores a surge in highway robberies across the third-world cartel-plagued country—just south of the US southern border {{{thank you intrepid reporter!!! So many of your readers would have trouble locating that obscure country of *Mexico!* without your helpful geographical guidance }}}} —amid rising gold and silver prices driven by global macroeconomic uncertainty.
El Universal said the assailants blocked the tractor-trailer on a stretch of highway near Guadalajara ……
“A group of organized criminals aboard two vehicles robbed a truck belonging to Fletes Durango SA de CV, which was loaded with at least 33 tons of gold and silver concentrate belonging to Grupo Minero Bacis SA de CV, bound for the port of Manzanillo,” Grupo Minero wrote in a report. 
Grupo Minero Bacis is owned by José Jaime Gutiérrez Núñez, former president of the Mexican Mining Chamber. The miner operates the El Herrero gold and silver project—an advanced exploration and semi-processing operation that produces precious metal concentrate for both domestic use and international export. 

Let me count.. the 33 was repeated 3 times…. They *really* want us to know it was 33…. And, for those of us who know our coded language… 33 signals it was an inside job by …. never you mind…

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jul 9 2025 1:33 utc | 100