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July 7, 2025
Trump Caves Again Over Tariffs – Uncertainty Increases

On April 2 U.S. President Donald Trump declared a 'Liberation Day' by introducing tariffs on nearly all imports to the United States.

Which led me to predict:

The 'invisible hand' of the markets will respond to Trump's moves by showing him a very visible finger.

The following days confirmed my take.

The tariff rates Trump announced were basically picked from hot air. The whole idea behind them were based on the weird theories of Steve Miran, the Chairman of Trump's President Council of Economic Advisors. They did not make sense.

By April 9 the markets hit back:

Treasury yields spiked on Wednesday as investors bailed out of what has been perceived as the world’s safest instrument on expectations of crumbling foreign demand as tariffs take effect.

Yields settled down after China called for dialogue with the U.S. on trade, and then moved right back near the highs of the day after China said it was increasing its tariffs on the U.S. to 84%.

“Something has broken tonight in the bond market. We are seeing a disorderly liquidation,” said Jim Bianco, president and macro strategist at Bianco Research.

Shortly thereafter Trump had to pull back (archived):

The economic turmoil, particularly a rapid rise in government bond yields, caused Mr. Trump to blink on Wednesday afternoon and pause his “reciprocal” tariffs for most countries for the next 90 days, according to four people with direct knowledge of the president’s decision.

Trump's unsteadiness on tariffs increased the uncertainty of economic decisions. Uncertainty is a poison, suppressing real economic activities.

The Federal Reserve Bank St. Louis produces hundreds of economic statistics. It includes several which are measuring uncertainty:


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That FRED graph only included February. The doubt about Trump's economic policies had pushed it that high. The consequences of his tariff games were not yet visible.

Here is the current FRED overview graph of economic uncertainty. The index has reached a new record high:



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When Trump had pulled back and announced his 90 days pause on tariffs, he and his advisors were hopeful that other countries would come to negotiate:

PETER NAVARRO:

So that's what we set, knowing full well, knowing full well that a lot of countries would come right to us and want a bargain. We've got 90 deals in 90 days possibly pending here.

Up to today, two days before the 90 day pause on tariffs expires, no trade deal was done. There are three new 'framework agreements' – with the UK, Vietnam, and China – which are more or less just letter's of intent but not agreements.

With the tariff pause ending, and no trade deals done, the Trump administration is forced to extend its tariff pause:

Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent said Sunday that the U.S. will revert to steep country-by-country tariff rates at the beginning of August, weeks after the tariff rate pause is set to expire.

CNN host Dana Bash responded to Bessent on Sunday, saying, “There’s basically a new deadline,” prompting Bessent to push back.

“It’s not a new deadline. We are saying this is when it’s happening,” Bessent said. “If you want to speed things up, have at it. If you want to go back to the old rate, that’s your choice.”

On Friday, Trump, too, referred to an Aug. 1 deadline, raising questions about whether the July 9 deadline still stands.

The Trump administration is also moving the goalposts. Instead of negotiating trade agreements with individual countries the administration will just send out letters of, so far, unknown content:

Trump said Friday that the administration would start sending letters to countries, adding, “I think by the 9th they’ll be fully covered.”

“They’ll range in value from maybe 60% or 70% tariffs to 10% and 20% tariffs, but they’re going to be starting to go out sometime tomorrow,” Trump said overnight on Friday. “We’ve done the final form, and it’s basically going to explain what the countries are going to be paying in tariffs.”

Trump said in a Truth Social post late Sunday evening that tariff letters would be delivered starting at noon on Monday.

There is only one country who's people will have to pay those tariffs and the is the U.S. itself.

There is little reason for other countries to react in any other way to the U.S. than by imposing symmetrical tariff measures. For many of them U.S. markets are no longer important enough. That is why most countries have simply ignored the matter:

Bessent also said Sunday that “many of these countries never even contacted us.”

The whole Trump strategy of imposing tariffs to regain industrial activity and to impose its political aims on other countries have failed. China and the EU, the U.S. biggest trade partners, have not flinched. Others have followed their example.

Meanwhile the damage imposed by heightened trade uncertainty continues to accumulate. People are already paying higher prices.

A year from now, when the 2026 midterm elections come up, the damage from tariffs will be what really matters.

Comments

Let’s see what the readout is from today’s BRICS meeting in Brazil.
Did the heat get turned up? Is BRICS building on the momentum Russia created last year?
We’ll see. Might get a lot hotter in the kitchen.
Here’s a post from the open thread that might be worth a quick read, for those of you that want to know what Brazil will be prioritizing during their one-year stint as President of BRICS.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 7 2025 15:29 utc | 1

It’s not just the higher prices caused by the tariffs; it’s the great damage that will be done by the just passed BBB as it kills many rural healthcare programs and other social supports in order to move more money to the already filthy rich. All the blather about “tax cuts for seniors” is narrative bullshit. What the BBB did was to massively escalate the Class War. Once the fallout starts hitting state and local governments, the outcry will be very loud, particularly by the poor whites who form the MAGA base as they will suffer greatly.
Trump’s primary economic plan if it can be called that has always been to increase the wealth transfer to the top 10%, the people who need it least.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 15:36 utc | 2

You dont have to be an Economist to know which way the grift flows.
Trump wants a 10% tarriff on all goods comming into the US with no tarrifs on goods going out. As an aside the Chinese manipulate their GST so that all goods exported from China pay the state 3%.
The Chicago School of Wizardy and Reality Distorion Field tells us that with more certainty than gravity any tax put on a business will be paid for by the consumer.
This of course is as false as all the shiny bobbles on nonsense they trade in.
So Trumps theory and its not a bad one is that for only 10% buyer and seller will absorb this cost to be competative with US companies.
In the catagories where the US does not manufacture biz will pass along the best non sales tax sales tax ever.

Posted by: steve | Jul 7 2025 15:38 utc | 3

Tom Pfotzer | Jul 7 2025 15:29 utc | 1–
Pepe Escobar filed a report from Rio in his chat with Nima yesterday. Generally, the Summit beat initial expectations. Here’s The Rio Declaration in pdf.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 15:42 utc | 4

Well he does manage to do some damage.
My concern is that the Russian leadership may have a mass heart attack from excessive, constant laughter.
Looking forward to 2026 – seriously, there needs to be a recall.

Posted by: jared | Jul 7 2025 15:44 utc | 5

And of course, it’s not just the tariffs but other restrictive sanctions as “”No customers!” After receiving a $4.7 billion subsidy, Samsung’s chip factory in the United States postponed production” reveals. And the damage predates Trump, yet he exacerbates it instead of negating it.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 15:46 utc | 6

Amidst all the ballyhoo about tariffs, it’s important to remember that only about 11% of U.S. consumer spending can be traced to imported goods, which reflects the cost of imports included in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) calculations. This percentage has remained relatively stable over the past 15 years.
That said, corporate America, despite the tax cuts, is likely to continue to hype the tariffs as an excuse to increase prices and profits.
Another important factor is the dollar which has been declining recently and should impact import prices at least as much as tariffs. This goes largely unmentioned in all the brouhaha about tariffs.
If Trump gets his way with lower interest rates the dollar could be expected to decline even further, exacerbating inflation.
Can he really pull off a combination of lower rates, a weaker dollar, and higher inflation, which is where he seems to be headed?

Posted by: JohnH | Jul 7 2025 15:48 utc | 7

Trump is projecting the image of a Tough Guy on Trade, Foreign Policy & the US Economy. And it’s backfiring on all of them. Attacking Iran was an act of unmitigated Dumbfuckery which will backfire, bigly, on AmeriKKKa’s bosses in Wasrael.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 7 2025 15:58 utc | 8

TACO continues to pay off as great rhetoric.
Trump continues to paint himself into a corner. It’s not particularly brilliant to predict that he will to have to back down or reverse course.
A man is just a man. Reality doesn’t bend to a man’s will.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 15:58 utc | 9

Are eggs cheaper yet?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2025 15:59 utc | 10

steve | Jul 7 2025 15:38 utc | 3
I don’t think that’s correct steve. Your comment that consumers don’t end up paying the tariff is patently false.
Obviously we all are on the hook AND the intended target for the expected price increases.
Btw, there are very few productive us companies…

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 16:01 utc | 11

@7 JohnH
Do you really think we are that stupid, John?
Car imports alone make up 9% of consumer spending in the U.S..
So 2% is the rest of imported goods? Wtf are you gaming at?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 7 2025 16:13 utc | 12

Remember me, who decided to put illegals sanctions policies on half of the world ?
Who has a currency as stable as Turkish lira now ?
Consequences ; that word exist in English … but nobody seems to know what it means anymore.

Posted by: Savonarole | Jul 7 2025 16:16 utc | 13

IMO, all this hand wringing over “uncertainty” needs to be re-evaluated in the light of one fact–Trump is what is termed a “change agent.” A role, I’m reasonably sure, he thinks is necessary because of the mess left behind by sleepy Joe Biden, et al.
What’s a change agent? Here is a damn good description:
Change agents inherently navigate uncertainty, as initiating change means disrupting the status quo and embracing the unknown. This requires adaptability, resilience, and effective communication to guide individuals and organizations through the transition process. Uncertainty, while potentially destabilizing, also presents opportunities for growth and innovation, which change agents must be able to recognize and leverage. (according to Mr. Google AI)
We are all along for the ride, so hang on tight.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Jul 7 2025 16:21 utc | 14

If there’s a silver(ish) lining to be found anywhere it’s likely that the other POTUS candidate was an individual of even poorer quality.

Posted by: chunga | Jul 7 2025 16:27 utc | 15

JohnH | Jul 7 2025 15:48 utc | 7
Can he really pull off a combination of lower rates, a weaker dollar, and higher inflation, which is where he seems to be headed?
I think you misunderstand Dumph’s role in all this John, he IS the chaos and uncertainty instigator sure but the fed’s actions in printing more dollars cuz nobody wants ust’s anymore will facilitate ALL of that to be sure.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 16:30 utc | 16

BTW if I was not clear, the tariffs are a puesdo national sales tax and yes consumers will pay most.
Hitler was a change agent, like Stalin and good old Chairmen Mao.
Trump is a Mule something the Pycho Historians and the Masters of the Universe never planned on. You cant stop a mule you can only try and direct it into a corner where is self destructs.
For example Foundation and Empire
written in 1945 predicted Trump
In addition to this internal corruption, an external threat arises in the form of a mysterious man who is known only as the Mule. The Mule (whose real name is never revealed) is a mental freak and possesses the ability to sense and manipulate the emotions of others. He uses this ability to take over the independent systems bordering the Foundation, and has them wage a war against the Foundation.
While his vassals prosecute the war, the Mule travels under the guise of a refugee clown named Magnifico Giganticus with Foundation citizens Toran Darell and Bayta Darell to different worlds of the Foundation. He uses his abilities to undermine the Foundation’s war effort by speading despair and destroying morale. In the end, the Foundation falls without much of a fight.
Trump is forcing the deep state to twist itself into Gordian knots
that will split freeing humanity from the Nazi occupation of operation
Paperclip. Trump has mastered the art of chaos for his own amusement.
Rewarding the rich but threatening the golden goose at the same time.
Trump is a Republican dichotomy that can only harbinger turmoil
for the establishment
https://thinkingaboot.blogspot.com/2018/07/trump-teacher-mule.html

Posted by: steve | Jul 7 2025 16:32 utc | 17

chunga | Jul 7 2025 16:27 utc | 15–
What if? no longer matters. What is does.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 16:36 utc | 18

Speaking of the science society ruled by wizards and reality distortion merchants.
Trump is not a human being.
“A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
― Robert A. Heinlein
The main culprit on our dystopian future is the percentage of GDP that is finance. China has rejected this idea and Russia “finance we dont need no stinking fiance ”

Posted by: steve | Jul 7 2025 16:38 utc | 19

Snowmexican- until assimulation residents of Canada. I am seeking funding for an enterprise of creating Snow Sombraoos.
More mule museing
https://thinkingaboot.blogspot.com/2019/11/snowmexician-i-come-to-praise-trump-not.html

Posted by: steve | Jul 7 2025 16:45 utc | 20

There are no legitimate strengths to build on going forward. It doesn’t matter. At the ripe old age of 60 I thought I’d be dead before this thing flies apart at the seems. Now, I think I’m going to see it.

Posted by: chunga | Jul 7 2025 16:48 utc | 21

If there’s a silver(ish) lining to be found anywhere it’s likely that the other POTUS candidate was an individual of even poorer quality.
Posted by: chunga | Jul 7 2025 16:27 utc | 15
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It would be amazing to make a case for a less competent President than Trump.
He’s forgiven ISIS sanctions.
He has erased the Epstein List.
He’s started a war while murdering women and children in Lebanon, Palestine, Iran, and Yemen.
Seriously what could be worse?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 16:50 utc | 22

Trump is desperately tried to generate $600 billion in annual revenue from Tariffs. Its one piece of the puzzle to prevent the pending insolvency of the Federal gov‘t. Failed.
2027 is insolvency crisis

Posted by: Exile | Jul 7 2025 17:03 utc | 24

🇺🇸🇷🇺❗️Trump said that additional trade tariffs of 10% will be imposed on countries that support the BRICS policy.
https://t.me/intelslava/77446

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 25

Amidst all the ballyhoo about tariffs, it’s important to remember that only about 11% of U.S. consumer spending can be traced to imported goods, which reflects the cost of imports included in the Consumer Price Index (CPI) calculations. This percentage has remained relatively stable over the past 15 years.
Posted by: JohnH | Jul 7 2025 15:48 utc | 7
Imports were responsible for 14% of the US GDP in 2024. Exports are responsible for 24%.
So the USA fires off a volley of tariffs against imports but you have not yet received the counter battery fire coming in the form of tariffs and cancelled sales contracts that is guaranteed to come right back at you. It’s already happening to US farmers, US auto makers and Boeing.
I contract to real estate developers and have dabbled in a little myself. How the US electorate believes a government full of real estate investors, stock salesmen and pop economists of extremely dubious reputation are in any way qualified to do a complete makeover of an advanced economy is beyond me.
Trump is an extremely talented and shameless pitchman however I still don’t understand how tens of millions of Americans fell for this. You’re never going to companies to relocate to the USA without first investing trillions in electrical generation / distribution networks better transportation infrastructure and developing the supply chains for such industries.
it took China 40 years of investment to build the backbone of their economy so perhaps a trade war is a little premature at the moment.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 26

No, the people here are not being hit by tarriffs. Yes, the US is receiving a massive increase in foreign capital investment. These conflict with your narrative, but they are data, not opinion.
Plus we get the tarriff cash to decrease deficits.
The bond market data describes a sick government, in the throes of deficit spending. That must be managed while the above benefits accrue.
There’s plenty to attack Trump on, but the neoliberal shibboleth says more about you than him.

Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 27

MisinformationTroll | Jul 7 2025 16:50 utc | 22
“He’s started a war while murdering women and children in Lebanon, Palestine, Iran, and Yemen.”

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 7 2025 17:10 utc | 28

🇺🇸 Trump said that today from 12:00 pm Eastern Time letters about new American tariffs will be sent to various countries around the world. Or agreements for those who have concluded them with the Americans.
Earlier, the US Treasury Department said that the new tariffs could come into force on August 1.
Trump also warned that any country that supports the policy of BRICS (whose summit took place yesterday in Brazil) will face an additional tariff of 10%.
“There will be no exceptions to this rule. Thank you for your attention to this issue!” Trump added.

https://t.me/intelslava/77447

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 17:10 utc | 29

The invisible hand will demonstrate that it successfully graduated from the single digit School of Driving.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 7 2025 17:10 utc | 30

“Trump’s primary economic plan if it can be called that has always been to increase the wealth transfer to the top 10%, the people who need it least.”
Posted by: karlof1
may I ask where you were during the Biden administration?

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jul 7 2025 17:13 utc | 31

🇺🇸🇯🇵🇰🇷 Donald Trump has announced a 25% tariff on all goods imported from Japan and South Korea.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/154739

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 17:13 utc | 32

And the damage predates Trump, yet he exacerbates it instead of negating it.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 15:46 utc | 6
Trump was installed in the Oval office a second time to finish the destruction of the US dollar, the economy, etc. so digital money can be forced on every US citizen.
He’s not America First, never has been really. He’s Israel First and not afraid of showing it now. MAGA is a sad cult now. Stole all the hope to bring misery instead. Why hasn’t he stopped killing kids in Palestine or Ukranians and Russians? It’s within his purview, but no one ever really asks.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 7 2025 17:25 utc | 33

Hang in there, Yankee Bros!
90 deals in 90 days!

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 17:28 utc | 34

No, the people here are not being hit by tarriffs. Yes, the US is receiving a massive increase in foreign capital investment. These conflict with your narrative, but they are data, not opinion.
Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 27
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What data?
Show me the factories.
Show me the ships leaving ports loaded with American export goods.
The thing about industry is that it is visible. It’s not only numbers on a press release. There are tangible, verifiable signs.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 17:30 utc | 35

There’s plenty to attack Trump on, but the neoliberal shibboleth says more about you than him.
Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 27

Deceit only works when the practitioner has something to back it up.
Trump’s fundamental problem is that he and his advisors believe in a delusion.
The lesson that is being prepared is that there is no point in fighting over an empty cookie jar.
The situation if far more dire than the people in charge dare admit. A nation can neither be sustained by deceit nor by hope.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 17:30 utc | 36

Not Ewe | Jul 7 2025 17:13 utc | 31–
Thanks for your query. I was right here being very critical of Team Biden, just as I was very critical of Trump 1.0, Obama before him, W Bush before him, Clinton before him, and GHW Bush on list serves before him when the internet finally started. And before Bush I was very critical of Reagan. When I read the Warren Commision Report and realized we were being lied to, I didn’t realize at the time just how important that would become in my life going forward–I was 11 when I read that, I’m 70 now.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 17:32 utc | 37

Seriously what could be worse?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 16:50 utc | 22
Perhaps not worse but I find it particularly offensive that anyone who takes a stand for the country is immediately called out by Trump and threatened with being Primaried
This old rush songs lyrics come to mind, although they forgot to add “in the congress halls”……so I will add it
(Subdivisions)—
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
In the congress halls
Conform or be cast out
(Subdivisions)—
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out

Posted by: Spark | Jul 7 2025 17:34 utc | 38

I listened to Alex Krainer explain the tariffs. He said that the exporting country pays the tariff on their cost.
So if China produces Nike shoes for $10 they pay $3 on a 30% tariff.
Say that Nike sells the shoes for $100. If they were to pass on the tariff the shoes would be $103.
If Nike tells the gullible that because of the tariffs, they are now charging $130, they are lying, and they are ripping off the public.
In other words, basic capitalism.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 7 2025 17:35 utc | 39

seer | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 27
NO- foreign capital is increasingly fleeing us markets bigly.
Yes- us trade deficit is growing seriously and will bring about it’s downfall soon.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 41

Nooneuknow | Jul 7 2025 17:25 utc | 33–
Thanks for your reply. You do realize that since the advent of credit card terminals we’ve had digital money. I use digital money almost exclusively when shopping nowadays. And I’ll wager you do so as well.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 42

bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 41
lol, meant to say Yes- foreign investment is fleeing us markets bigly.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:41 utc | 43

You’re never going to companies to relocate to the USA without first investing trillions in electrical generation / distribution networks better transportation infrastructure and developing the supply chains for such industries.
it took China 40 years of investment to build the backbone of their economy so perhaps a trade war is a little premature at the moment.
Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 7 2025 17:08 utc | 26
Easy, he explained it himself. He is not going to build anything at all, no factory, no supply chains, nothing. He wants others to come and pay for the costs of development in US, give him everything. Some very large companies are doing that, like Nvidia, but not fast enough it seems. What he did not say is that to force them to move and give their technology for free he uses tariffs, sanctions and war, depending on the victim. Maybe a virus too. With EU was easy, he cut their energy supplies from Russia. With other countries is harder but more tariffs, exploding pipes and sinking ships will make it easier.

Posted by: rk | Jul 7 2025 17:43 utc | 44

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 17:32 utc | 37
What’s bothered me of late is how we were programmed and manipulated and used since the advent of Television.
I was 5 when my family got their first television, a big old philco black and white with a 12in screen. Then the neighbors got color in 68 and so we had to as well.
We were subjected to mass subliminal messaging, until it was outlawed. Younger generations don’t realize we boomers were the guinea pigs for all the shit they’ve been sold since. And we had no idea what was being done to us, anymore than the younger generations, by and large, can discern what’s being done to them now.
My guess is Big Pharma knows the exact percentage of hypochondriacs in America, too. Which is why we’re the sickest country in the world.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 7 2025 17:43 utc | 45

You do realize that since the advent of credit card terminals we’ve had digital money.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 42

Not digital money! Digital credit.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 17:43 utc | 46

****
Main reason we are seeing record highs in us stock markets?
usd is losing serious purchasing power(being debased) exponentially.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:44 utc | 47

Thanks for your reply. You do realize that since the advent of credit card terminals we’ve had digital money. I use digital money almost exclusively when shopping nowadays. And I’ll wager you do so as well.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 42
True, but I can still access cash to complete transactions I don’t wish the Feds to know about.

Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jul 7 2025 17:44 utc | 48

***
Why is Gold near all-time highs these days?
usd is very close to it’s new function as fire-starter and toilet paper.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:46 utc | 49

What data?
Show me the factories.
Show me the ships leaving ports loaded with American export goods.
The thing about industry is that it is visible. It’s not only numbers on a press release. There are tangible, verifiable signs.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 17:30 utc | 35
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Yes, there are signs. But you ignore them. So does corporate media, as they ignore ukrainian reality, zionist reality, etc. More of the same, basically.
I purposely left out the links showing that tarriffs aren’t impacting household disposable income, and that foreign capex here is skyrocketing. They’re pretty obvious out there, and if you don’t know that, it’s obvious you don’t want to know. This is yours to resolve. The signs are there, and they are in the form of data, not neoliberal shrieking about the sky falling.
Why not use this to educate all? You review household finances, and capital spend, year over year. The data is readily available. Do you want data, is the question. Educate us.

Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:47 utc | 50

rk | Jul 7 2025 17:43 utc | 44
But Samsung was given almost $5 Billion dollars to make chips in the us however they haven’t made a single chip yet…if ever(?)

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:48 utc | 51

Main reason we are seeing record highs in us stock markets?
usd is losing serious purchasing power(being debased) exponentially.
Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:44 utc | 47

There is more to it than that.
A blow-off-top is driven by peculiar credit velocity as participants race toward fundamental value squeezing fictional capital to higher valuations.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 17:49 utc | 52

Posted by: Spark | Jul 7 2025 17:34 utc | 38
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I was a huge Rush fan when I was younger.
They didn’t mention Congress, probably because Neil Peart (the lyricist and drummer) was Canadian.
Don’t take “the country” personally. It does not regard you as a friend or family member.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 17:49 utc | 53

NO- foreign capital is increasingly fleeing us markets bigly.
Yes- us trade deficit is growing seriously and will bring about it’s downfall soon.
Posted by: bisfab | Jul 7 2025 17:36 utc | 41
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No, on both counts, but carry on.

Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:51 utc | 54

Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:47 utc | 50
#############
Again, which data was collected by whom and verified by which trusted party?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 18:02 utc | 55

“Thanks for your query. I was right here being very critical of Team Biden, just as I was very critical ”
thanks for your response.
I was being snippy there.
i remember cussing Brian Lamb out for perpetrating support for the top 2% in the early 90s.
He said “so what?”
I retorted why should the rich get richer?
I guess the why is the rich should get richer.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jul 7 2025 18:08 utc | 56

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 7 2025 17:35 utc | 39
Are you sure about that? It’s actually the importer — not the exporting country — who pays the tariff. Your math checks out, but you’re right that corporations often use tariffs as an excuse to raise prices beyond the actual cost increase. Classic price gouging disguised as policy impact.

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jul 7 2025 18:13 utc | 57

I do not see the pause in the grotesque rates announced on Liberation Day as TACO, not until Trump reverses the nearly universal increase in tariffs to 10%.
A tariff is a form of sales tax, and most of sales taxes are paid by the final consumers, aka the people. I think the essential purposes of Liberation Day were to raise revenue by soaking the masses and economic warfare against PRC. Any blather about reshoring, reindustrializing is meant for the gullible. Invoking TACO is partisan…unless it’s regretting that Trump isn’t hurting enough of the right people right now? A hint to Trump to man up? So far as I can tell a major rise in consumption taxes is guaranteed. Whether the impact is immediately inflationary is unpredictable. A recession in world economy will likely reduce the prices of due to deflation, if such a world recession occurs. And so far as stock market crashes or Treasury crises, December 2018 and March 2020 do not force any but the true believers in the God Trump to admit the economy is past such Democrat/Communist failures.
The need for UST is not also the need for a profitable investment, but the need for a safe investment. Budget deficits which for usually undisclosed reasons are held to be automatically inflationary may make investing in USTs less attractive. But what also matters is the availability of alternatives that offer higher return with sufficient security and sufficient quantity and sufficient liquidity. For these reasons as well as the de facto role of the Fed as the lender of last resort for world imperialist economy (which is the whole world, lest it be forgotten!) means tariffs and interest rates and inflation cannot automatically end the empire.
It sometimes seems that Trump cultists here divide history into Before God Trump and After Got Trump…but much of this has been part of political and economic life for decades. As I recall the abominable Reagan declared decades ago, deficits don’t matter. See two retrospectives: https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2013/04/02/mourning-in-america-the-failed-education-of-david-stockman/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2004/01/26/taxing
From the first:

Rhetorically, the government is identified as “the problem”, although in practice corporate welfare from government remains a high priority, particularly in defense and in handouts and tax breaks for corporations.
Rhetorically, “cutting taxes for everyone” is a priority, although privately this is admitted to be “a Trojan horse” for delivering tax breaks for the wealthy.
Rhetorically, “cutting the public deficit” is portrayed as a high priority, although in practice the deficit steadily grows.
Rhetorically, high priority is given to “unleashing the forces of the free market”, although in reality this steadily morphs into bailouts for corporations in trouble.

This is from a Forbes article over ten years old. Yes it is hard for me to see much difference in tax policy from Trump. The real differences are domestic policy, increasing the size of the military and the police state (both the world’s largest per capita already,) and strengthening the imperial presidency to God-King status.
From the second:

O’Neill watched all this with anguish. Shortly before he was fired, he confronted Cheney about the Administration’s latest proposal to cut taxes by another six hundred and seventy-four billion dollars over ten years, pointing out that the country was “moving toward a fiscal crisis.” The Vice-President stopped him. “Reagan proved deficits don’t matter,” he said. “We won the midterms. This is our due.” In fact, Reagan didn’t prove anything of the kind. Early in his first term, Congress was forced to adopt emergency tax increases and spending cuts to restrain the ballooning budget shortfall. Despite this remedial action, it wasn’t until the early nineties, when George Bush Senior and Bill Clinton raised taxes, that the nation’s finances were put in proper order, opening the way to the longest economic expansion on record.

This is from a New Yorker article over twenty years old, hence the amusing lack of foresight on the economy. Anyone surprised that the New Yorker is actually pretty conservative on money and anti-Communism (David Remnick, Masha Gessen, phooey!) is a culture warrior stooge in the grip of right-wing idpol. (Yes, identity politics is exactly the MSM, it comes in two flavors, just like the Duopoly. All are wholly owned subsidiaries of the ruling class, which is real, unliked the so-called Deep State. The so-called PMC, by the way, is merely smoke. As they say, where there’s smoke, there’s someone laying down a smoke screen.

Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 7 2025 18:17 utc | 58

No, on both counts, but carry on.
Posted by: seer | Jul 7 2025 17:51 utc | 54

You seem to be challenged on the fundamentals.
Study this chart ==> https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1KcoK
Notice how gross debt is increasing as a faster rate than foreign held debt?
That means that the percentage of debt held by foreigners is falling. So while the gross value of foreign investment in the USA may be increasing the normalised nominal value is decreasing.
So @bisfab is correct to say that foreign capital is increasingly fleeing US markets.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 18:18 utc | 59

Any blather about reshoring, reindustrializing is meant for the gullible.
Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 7 2025 18:17 utc | 58

That doesn’t disqualify that Trump and his administration actually believe in their fabulist policies.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 18:25 utc | 60

Trump’s Global Tariff Pause is Supposed to Expire Soon. What’s At Stake For Canada (& vid)
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump-s-global-tariff-pause-is-supposed-to-expire-soon-what-s-at-stake-for-canada-1.7578408
“Some trade-watchers warn Trump wants wins as talks stall with top global markets…”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 7 2025 18:26 utc | 61

@ Cable Guy | Jul 7 2025 18:13 utc | 57
It is different: the (US) importer demands a price reduction from the exporter in the amount of the tariff, which makes business unattractive for many exporters. This is what Trump wants, because he wants to protect US manufacturers from foreign goods that are cheaper.
The (US) consumer feels nothing of this when importers use the tariff, which they themselves do not pay, as a justification for price increases.
The exporter can only escape the pressure to lower his price if there is no supplier on the US market offering the same domestic product.

Posted by: smartfox | Jul 7 2025 18:26 utc | 62

Posted by: smartfox | Jul 7 2025 18:26 utc | 62
Yeah, I see what you mean about importers pushing exporters to lower prices — that happens a lot. Just one small thing: the importer technically pays the tariff when the goods arrive, but yeah, in practice they often try to pass that cost on or use it as leverage. Whether consumers actually feel it depends on the situation

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jul 7 2025 18:37 utc | 63

The madness is on again

Trump drops MORE tariff letters on Truth:
Myanmar — 40%
Laos — 40%
South Africa — 30%
Kazakhstan — 25%

https://t.me/rtnews/102071

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 18:40 utc | 64

The exporter can only escape the pressure to lower his price if there is no supplier on the US market offering the same domestic product.
Posted by: smartfox | Jul 7 2025 18:26 utc | 62
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Or, as many Asian exporters have been doing, sell to other markets.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 18:56 utc | 65

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 18:56 utc | 65
Don’t go there… next thing you’ll tell me Africa’s going to have better 5G than the U.S.

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jul 7 2025 19:01 utc | 66

The fault is rooted in the system Trump uses to select tariffs. He only compares countries and the respective trade deficit, but the product groups should be compared so that it is clear what the countries in question are exporting cheaply in surplus and where the American problems lie. If they are essential products that America cannot offer, such tariffs are a boomerang (example: rare earths), or if they are quality reasons, then US goods must improve. This cannot be regulated with tariffs.

Posted by: smartfox | Jul 7 2025 19:02 utc | 67

Or, as many Asian exporters have been doing, sell to other markets.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 18:56 utc | 65
Using bilateral currency arrangements that exclude any intermediary function for the US$, just to add to the mix.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 7 2025 19:02 utc | 68

NemisisCaling@ 12: New vehicle sales’ weight in the CPI was only about 4.3% in 2023. Imports are only part of that figure.
You don’t think that Corporate America is conditioning consumers to expect higher prices and make them amenable to companies’ raising prices across the board–to include price gouging on the 85% of consumption not affected by tariffs?

Posted by: JohnH | Jul 7 2025 19:03 utc | 69

Or….
Trump is just negotiating the way he’s been taught. Yes, many of the commenters here believe that immediately showing the cards as they are dealt is the way to convince your opponent that you are sincere and entitled to the pot. Sometimes this works but when it does…you can be pretty sure it’s a small pot.
I see Dumbass is still using DNC talking points by refering to Trump as a cunt->taco in the hopes of getting a war started somewhere. Funny how so many “liberals” shed crocodile tears over war but, are always there mongering and/or profiteering from humanity’s most vulgar practice.
Here’s a thought,
Put warmongering draft dodgers..
in a military uniform
if Dumbass don’t go
then we know
he’s the…cunt..er..ah Taco

Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 7 2025 19:05 utc | 70

@7 JohnH
Do you really think we are that stupid, John?
Car imports alone make up 9% of consumer spending in the U.S..
So 2% is the rest of imported goods? Wtf are you gaming at?
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 7 2025 16:13 utc | 12
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Aren’t you forgetting little things like rents, insurances, healthcare, education…?

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2025 19:08 utc | 71

@46
Fiat currency is a means of exchange. The paper is credit…. Nothing behind US paper but the federal reserve who prints the money.
Yes cash can be held outside banks, but is one of few ways cash is better than digital currency.
A few days ago on NC Michael Hudson suggested that U.S. treasury bills and notes are like endless supply of gold
Which went away with Nixon.
Could Harris be better/worse than Trump?
I think Kiev would have more grift and CIA adventures, she never talked nukes, and some of the advisors who think a limited nuke war acceptable may be heard

Posted by: paddy | Jul 7 2025 19:15 utc | 72

Don’t go there… next thing you’ll tell me Africa’s going to have better 5G than the U.S.
Posted by: Cable Guy | Jul 7 2025 19:01 utc | 66
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Laos has better 5G than the USA, so I can’t imagine that much of Africa is far behind, if far behind at all.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2025 19:24 utc | 73

Are eggs cheaper yet?
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 7 2025 15:59 utc | 10
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Egg prices where I am have fallen from $8/dozen to just under $3. But just as the White House wasn’t responsible for the price increase, so it isn’t responsible for the subsequent fall.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2025 19:27 utc | 74

MisinformationTroll | Jul 7 2025 16:50 utc | 22
Misinfo troll
“He’s started a war while murdering women and children in Lebanon, Palestine, Iran, and Yemen.”
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 7 2025 17:10 utc | 28
Nope. This is exactly what the orangatang has done. Full stop.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 7 2025 19:30 utc | 75

I see Dumbass is still using DNC talking points by refering to Trump as a cunt->taco in the hopes of getting a war started somewhere.
Posted by: S Brennan | Jul 7 2025 19:05 utc | 70
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The right are losers. They can’t joke. They have become the Democrats.
It’s hilarious to me. The Left couldn’t meme or take a joke; it looks like the Zionists are the same.
Which of us is a dumbass? You’re the guy worshipping a disintegrating Empire that just endorsed ISIS. LOL
Also, TACO is funny because it is true.
He backs down because all of the power he thinks that America has is actually a fiction, not unlike the Emperor’s new clothes.
Trump
Always
Chickens
Out

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 19:30 utc | 76

Anyone surprised? I’m not.
“Federal agencies paid a private cloud seeding company to spray Texas skies—just 2 days before deadly floods killed 60+. No public comment. No oversight. No accountability.”
https://nitter.poast.org/beefinitiative/status/1942010700953755713#m

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 7 2025 19:33 utc | 77

🇺🇸 Trump Announces 25% Universal Tariff on All Japanese and South Korean Imports Starting in August

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/43977
Trying the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 19:33 utc | 78

@Republicofscotland | Jul 7 2025 19:33 utc | 77

“No public comment. No oversight. No accountability.”

No likely cause.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 7 2025 19:36 utc | 79

You read it here first … There will be no damage attributable to tariffs by the mid-term elections.
But Israel will attack Iran again, and Iran will close the Straights of Hormuz.
Oh, and Elon and Trump are colluding to use the “new party” to strip votes from the Dems.
🕉

Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Jul 7 2025 19:39 utc | 80

@Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 7 2025 19:33 utc | 77
“Science” is above law. Case in point.

Posted by: KOB | Jul 7 2025 19:45 utc | 81

Or, as many Asian exporters have been doing, sell to other markets.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 18:56 utc | 65
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-may-exports-slow-deflation-deepens-tariffs-bite-2025-06-09/
For China to legitimately sell its former American exports abroad will be difficult. The EU has already been talking about aggressive duties against the dumping of Chinese products, and few other markets can absorb that kind of weight. For instance, Russia imported about $115 billion of Chinese goods, against American imports of over $520 billion in 2024.
Now, some Chinese companies might be tempted to “sell” to third countries which will then resell the goods in the United States. But that’s already a major reason for tariffs against countries like Vietnam, so China can’t count on American multinationals playing along.

Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jul 7 2025 19:46 utc | 82

@81
We need scientific courts.

Posted by: KOB | Jul 7 2025 19:49 utc | 83

There will be no damage attributable to tariffs by the mid-term elections.
Posted by: Cato the Uncensored | Jul 7 2025 19:39 utc | 80

By the time the mid-term elections roll around China will have fully localized IC production with lithography features as small or smaller than TSMC/ASML is capable of.
Do you think the RoW is going to sit on their hands and wait for the West to pull its head out of its ass?

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 19:52 utc | 84

In addition to the import tariffs,foreign-built vessels, especially those built in China, will be taxed via a docking fee at US ports. This fee is levied for ships delivering goods as well as those picking up goods for export from the US.
In addition, car carriers used by Korea and Japan will face a US docking fee. Since LNG is a major US Trumpland export, LNG carriers will have a reduced fee.
Such docking fees will significantly reduce trade with the US by foreign suppliers, as most shipping vessels are built in China. The Chinese ships will increasingly go to non-US ports.
https://www.winston.com/en/blogs-and-podcasts/maritime-fedwatch/united-states-imposes-substantial-fees-on-chinese-built-and-other-vessels

Posted by: krollchem | Jul 7 2025 19:52 utc | 85

He has erased the Epstein List. 22
Alex Jones claims that at some point Trump realized that keeping the blackmail lists and not releasing them will make the rest of his presidency WAY WAY easier.
He has taken control of the list for his own use.
https://banned.video/watch?id=686c0bf4c698b53d5609efce

Posted by: Spark | Jul 7 2025 19:53 utc | 86

@82
Who needs useless goods to flood the world?

Posted by: KOB | Jul 7 2025 19:53 utc | 87

Who needs useless goods to flood the world?
Posted by: KOB | Jul 7 2025 19:53 utc | 87

Got magnets?

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 19:56 utc | 88

@88
?

Posted by: KOB | Jul 7 2025 19:57 utc | 89

Posted by: steve | Jul 7 2025 15:38 utc | 3
“The Chicago School of Wizardy and Reality Distorion Field…”
Thanks for that, made my day.

Posted by: azeclecticdog | Jul 7 2025 19:58 utc | 90

Posted by: Spark | Jul 7 2025 19:53 utc | 86
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AJ is controlled opposition now.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 20:01 utc | 91

For China to legitimately sell its former American exports abroad will be difficult.
Posted by: They Call Me Mister | Jul 7 2025 19:46 utc | 82
#########
It amazes me how little people understand about business.
How does one clear inventory?

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 20:03 utc | 92

The Guardian just keeps trying:
“Jeffrey Epstein
Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide, justice department and FBI review confirms
Memo says investigators didn’t find evidence to ‘predicate an investigations against uncharged third parties’”
They protest far too much, don’t they? Almost like they’re really desperate. I imagine at least half the people who read this article today, burst out laughing.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2025 20:05 utc | 93

When will the trumptards with their TDS (D for Delusion) will begin to understand that he is a megalomaniac and narcissic moron?
I am fairly sure that there is one at the bar who will never understand.
His place is in a psychiatric hospital and nowhere else.

Posted by: Naive | Jul 7 2025 20:07 utc | 94

Trump
Always
Chickens
Out
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 19:30 utc | 76
You’re right about Trump and the Republicans, but this taco thing is just lame for previously stated reasons. Plus, Trump never chickens out when it comes to Israeli demands. Make Israel Great Again remains the better insult.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2025 20:08 utc | 95

@ Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2025 20:08 utc | 95
What a nice coincidence that, like Trump Always Chickens Out, Make Israel Great Again reduces to a Mexican food acronym.

Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2025 20:12 utc | 96

It amazes me how little people understand about business.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 20:03 utc | 92

Nobody needs these newfangled metal tools. Stone is perfectly sufficient.
Nobody needs these newfangled iron tools. Bronze is perfectly sufficient.
The West is in for a long hard lesson. Its own Century of Humiliation. Such is hubris.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 7 2025 20:14 utc | 97

@ Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2025 20:08 utc | 95
What a nice coincidence that, like Trump Always Chickens Out, Make Israel Great Again reduces to a Mexican food acronym.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 7 2025 20:12 utc | 96
So they do. I’d never thought of that.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 7 2025 20:27 utc | 98

Tariffs don’t work, certainly not in 2025.
Yes, the US is trying to control Vietnam and other potential trans-shipment countries.
Where there is profit, people will go to great lengths.
If I have a lot of US-only products that no one in Laos or Guam will buy and use, then I trans-ship multiple times until I can get the tariff rate low enough that the cost savings of buying Chinese products covers that “cost of doing business”.
It doesn’t surprise me that Russia is thriving despite being under sanctions “from hell”. Traps can be overcome with ingenuity and time.
As long as Trump is tariffing different countries at different rates, that is an arbitrage opportunity. The most effective tariff would be a global flat rate with no exceptions.
He’s not doing the most effective thing. Opinion will vary on why.
I think he has to show preference to different nations because he is trying to use tariffs as diplomatic leverage.
Trying to use a tool for a task it was not designed for is always problematic.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 7 2025 20:35 utc | 99

thanks b… i haven’t read all the posts…
is it possible trump will quit before he finishes his term?? i put high odds on him not finishing his term in office…

Posted by: james | Jul 7 2025 20:56 utc | 100