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July 14, 2025
Putin: The West’s Conflict With Russia Is Not About Ideology

In an interview with the Russian TV channel Rossiya President Vladimir Putin gave some insight into Russia's changing perspective of the West.

There is unfortunately no transcript available yet. Various Russian media provid snippets of the talk in English language:

I have yet to find the full interview. But these tweets of Djole include some quotes and subtitled video excerpts:

In an interview with Pavlo Zarubin, a well-known journalist on Russian state television, Putin spoke about deep misunderstandings that, he says, he initially mistakenly attributed to ideological differences. But over time, he points out, it became clear that the background is not ideology, but something else – interest.

"I thought that the contradictions with the West were primarily ideological. It seemed logical at the time – Cold War inertia, different views of the world, values, the organization of society," Putin said.

"But even when the ideology disappeared, when the Soviet Union ceased to exist, the same, almost routine deviation from Russia's interests continued. And it was not because of ideas, but because of the pursuit of advantages – geopolitical, economic, strategic."

"The world respects only those who can protect themselves," he said. "Until we show that we are an independent and sovereign power that stands behind our interests, there will be no room for anyone to treat us as equals."

My very first thought when reading that was 'what took him so long'. During the Cold War I was indoctrinated with the fairy tale of Western freedoms versus the evils of eastern communism. But I for one have never accepted that view. Western animosity against Russia goes back many centuries. (Maybe even further back than the big schism of 1054). The fight against the 'evils of communism' was just a contemporary variance of it.

One might call that ideological but I believe that it always has been and is about greed. There is one side in this conflict which never seems to have enough and therefore aims for Russia's riches. What else explains Napoleon's march to Moscow or the British war in Crimea? (See Karlov1 who writes a bit more about the 'ideological' aspect of this.)

But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?

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“The world respects only those who can protect themselves,”

Exactly. There is no such thing, in practice, as “international law”.
That is a narrative, only.
Same might be said for “free market” and “democracy”.

Posted by: jared | Jul 14 2025 13:04 utc | 1

Excellent article. You understand the west (aka England) perfectly. It’s all about greed and power. The Rotschilds Bank of London financed the Russian Revolution in 1915 in order to weaken Russia which was starting to reform under the Czar, and therefore was sen as a threat to British interests with the Trans Siberian railway threatening our sea routes to Asia.

Posted by: Sirdavide | Jul 14 2025 13:04 utc | 2

Shadowbanned and rk have similar answers to the last question. I’m uncomfortable with the answer but remain unsure it’s wrong.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 14 2025 13:05 utc | 3

First, post.
Not sure I like my “name,” but if I change it, I will let you know.
Anyway, I really enjoy this website and all the really interesting posts.
Question: why 1054? I understand the Great Schism, but Vladimir the Great converted to Christianity in 988.

Posted by: SPQR | Jul 14 2025 13:07 utc | 4

This is an excellent thread topic. Yet I take issue with this assertion:

There is one side in this conflict which never seems to have enough and therefore aims for Russia’s riches.

To my mind the point of conflict is that Western Thought feels obliged to destroy what it cannot control.
Greed is not the driving motivation. Rather, spite is.

Posted by: too scents | Jul 14 2025 13:10 utc | 5

“But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?”
Because Putin thought he and Russia would one day be welcomed into the Western fold – little did he know that they wouldn’t be – and that Russia’s assets were in their crosshairs – and still are.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 14 2025 13:10 utc | 6

Excellent !!
My own personal view is they simply weren’t ready.
Putin has only had 30 years. It’s not that long really When you think what they had to try and do to get ready.
The growth of China and other BRICS countries has also been a godsend.
None of them are ready but they are a lot closer to being ready than they were 30 years ago.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 13:13 utc | 7

Putin is playing dumb and playing victim for public consumption (in Russia through an image of nice father of the peoples but also in the West showing himself as gullible as ever so that Western banking elites keep on pushing their puppets like Macron, Merz and Starmer for more easy money to Zelenski).
Putin knows that Russia is a cultural exception that cannot survive in a globalized world (even without the 2014 coup) in which only money matters. It is only when threatened physically that Russians unite, survive and find the will to create an alternative world in which they can control that huge land with a relatively small population.

Posted by: Nour | Jul 14 2025 13:15 utc | 8

What took Putin “so long”?
Because he didn’t want to see it. Facing the problem as it really is takes a lot of emotional power and it takes time to work through the possible alternatives (which lead to better outcomes for the many). And Putin needs to bring the country along with him; dividing Russia internally was the core of the West’s attack on Russia.
Acknowledging the actual core of the problem – e.g. what the Western cabal of predators actually is – with all its horror, requires one to make a crucial decision, and that decision is “I have to become what I despise in order to vanquish what I despise”.
When you’re dealing with monsters, in all the most gruesome and horrific aspects of the monster, it becomes necessary to get the right tools for the job.
The “tools” are spycraft, bombs, diabolically horrible weapons, etc.
Yay. Just what we need more of. Just what Russia, China and Iran don’t want to devote themselves to.
I see that Russia and China and Iran have come round to seeing it for what it is. They tried every alternative method, but now see it for what it is. That’s a major step in the right direction, especially so since the rest of the non-West is also seeing the “show”. Curtains have been pulled way back, it’s out there now. The Predator-West’s pretense and misdirection tools have been wrecked.
The thing the Predator-Monsters fear most is a viable adversary, and that’s what’s being built. That’s a good thing, except it’s going to be costly for all, and likely go on for some time.
That “costly and long-term” aspect is the bad news, and that’s what Russia-China-Iran were trying so hard to avoid.
So when B asks “what took them so long”, I say it’s an index of these countries’ character that “they took that long”.
There’s one other, more positive aspect: these three countries bring a lot to the table. They are capable of the innovation, the resolve, and the constructive ethos necessary to forge a new path.
I think they have those capacities.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 13:16 utc | 9

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 14 2025 13:10 utc | 6
They setting up of the Eurozone was the red flag. At that point they always knew they were in the crosshairs.
From that point on They have been getting ready. 30 years is nothing a blink of an eye.
Russia was on its knees. It is remarkable the turn around in such a short space of time.
They are still not ready could take another 30 years.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 13:17 utc | 10

It may not be about modern political ideology, but it most certainly is about the ancient, primitive ideology of imperial conquest and exploitation (currently championed in the west) against those who would just get along in the world and trade peacefully with their neighbours.

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 14 2025 13:18 utc | 11

Ok, Russia but if you form an alternative to the dollar, what are we supposed to do with what will be worthless paper?

Posted by: Stevenj | Jul 14 2025 13:19 utc | 12

A lot of it is corruption. There’s been a long history of Russia aspiring to western levels of culture and technology. Using this predisposition to liking the west, western agents corrupt individuals in Russia into betrayal. These fifth columnists then lead Russia into compromising their national interests.
They did the same in Ukraine and got basically the whole country to do it because of this weakness.
This time however the west made the mistake of squeezing their traitors too, with their blanket sanctions as well as hurting the oligarchy that would be only to happy to lead a collaborationist government. That’s the 2022 difference, the west over played it’s hand.

Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jul 14 2025 13:20 utc | 13

Question: why 1054? I understand the Great Schism, but Vladimir the Great converted to Christianity in 988.
Posted by: SPQR | Jul 14 2025 13:07 utc | 4

Aah, but he chose the wrong kind of Christianity, so no peace and love for him or his compatriots…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 14 2025 13:22 utc | 14

Because he didn’t want to see it.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 13:16 utc | 9
No proof to support that whatsoever Tom.
Everything Putin has done was to prepare Russia to be ready. Played a long game the Eurozone was the final warning.
Kept the West at bay as much as he could because 30 years ago they were in their knees and nearly lost evetything.
There was absolutely nothing Putin could do until
a) They got ready
b) Build friendships and get allies to support them.
They are still not ready but are in a position to push back now unlike 30 years ago.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 13:24 utc | 15

“But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?
Posted by b at 12:52 UTC |”
Because the latest iteration of “do, or die” has emerged, and history reflects in more recent times “There will not be a world without Russia in it.” -V.V. Putin, during the onset of the 2022 launch of RF’s SMO.
A civilizational consequence of a very unified culture, perhaps.

Posted by: Ering46z | Jul 14 2025 13:30 utc | 16

The real question is …
What could Putin have done differently over the last 30 years considering the position he was in when he first started ?
My answer to that is …
Not much , I think he has played an absolute blinder otherwise there is a 100% chance they would have attacked sooner by the West when Russia definitely wasn’t ready.
What this man has achieved in a very short 30 years is truly remarkable.
The alliance’s he has created and how he has exposed to the rest of the World what the West is up to beautifully.
While at the same time quietly and with stoic determination getting Russia ready under the radar.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 13:35 utc | 17

Putin is more diplomatic than Lavrov.
The conflict of the West with Russia is racial.
Anglo as one of the great human races has trouble accepting its decline.
Anglo has exerted predominance over Europe since the fall of the Spanish empire, the defeat of the Napeolonic empire, and the defeat of the German Reich.
Now the new threat is Russian Slavs, which combine large territory, large resources, White-Asian human stock and CAPITALISM.
That’s all.
It’s monkey business.
Lavrov (and Medvedev) speaks of the Anglo-Saxons

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 13:41 utc | 18

YES! What took him so long?! Was it wishful thinking on Putin’s part? No, never! It was a rejection of the Marxist interpretation of history, of class interests, understandable, up to a point I suppose, but without acknowledging class interests in what motivates the imperialist states, Putin was bound to get it wrong. Has he woken up? I really hope so.

Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 14 2025 13:44 utc | 19

Posted by: Sirdavide | Jul 14 2025 13:04 utc | 2
Greed is not the ultimate (root) cause.
Greed comes into play only when Anglo (projected to include America) think that anybody else could be richer than itself.
Anglo cannot accept that, not because of greed, but because of pride, because of hubris.
Russia has a great potential to become super rich, with that territory, resources and population, and for the first with a capitalist economic framework.
Anglo cannot accept anyone richer than itself (projected to include America).
It’s monkey business.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 13:49 utc | 20

Every culture has a long standing, pyschological posture utilized as a trademark of war.
The juice have Victim, Inc, while Russia’s is playing dumb aka playing for time/territory.
Anyone care to guess the USA’s go to, tried and true rule? Note, it certainly cranks libs out of their minds.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 14 2025 13:52 utc | 21

The so called “Western World” is very different ideologically in 2025 compared to say 1960 or 1970.
I believe that Putin (and many others) don’t recognize how drastically things have changed.

Posted by: Tel | Jul 14 2025 13:58 utc | 22

Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 14 2025 13:44 utc | 19
It didn’t take him longer than anyone else of importance.
He is just more diplomatic, so unlike Lavrov and Medvedev, he doesn’t speak of “Anglo-Saxons”, instead he uses the more ambiguous term ‘geopolitics’.
It’s ugly but it’s reality.
We’re animals, the less enlightened amongst us (especially one class called “the politicians”) motivated by low emotions and impulses.
The conflict with Russia is like the conflict between the English and the Spaniards, the English and the French, the English and the Germans.
A conflict inside the White race.
One White flavor cannot accept any downgrading though it is declining fast.
Other previously defeated White flavors (mostly Frenchies and Germans) are now fully submissive to Anglo and join all Anglo projects and will walk behind Anglo to the border of the abyss licking Anglo’s ass furiously.
Another White flavor is rising after breaking away from the shakles of Marxism and a bad start.
That’s all.
Monkey business.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 14:02 utc | 23

It’s almost amusing that everybody is pretending not to notice that what unites the West is that most of our politicians are OWNED by the local “Israel” Lobby and its Donors.
That’s the most logical explanation for the jewed-up West’s pretense that the Gaza Genocide is just a bit of innocent fun – perpetrated by the most Evil Monsters who have ever existed on Earth.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 14 2025 14:04 utc | 24

That ALL western politicians are in the control of the ethno supremacist Zio conspiracy is still the elephant in the room. That they get away with killing Russian soldiers with impunity proves that it’s his problem as well.

Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jul 14 2025 14:15 utc | 25

But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?

Both Russia and the West (Anglo race more precisely) didn’t realize what was happening after the fall of the Soviet Union.
Russia grew its economy exponentially between 2000 and 2014. Western leadership took too long to realize what was going on.
Russia on the other hand, populace and leadership, had a naive understanding of Western leadership motivations up and until 2014.
Starting in 2014, the West took action to slow down Russia’s wildly successful capitalist development.
Starting in 2014, Russia understood the nature of the challenge and started to prepare to fight back.
In 2022 these realizations by both parts became kinetic.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 14:15 utc | 26

So much for the perceptive things Putin has said in the past about the inherent untenability and perversity of Western liberalism.
He’s now even disavowing the truths about the Western ideology he’s spoken in the past.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Jul 14 2025 14:15 utc | 27

Putin is playing dumb and playing victim for public consumption (in Russia through an image of nice father of the peoples but also in the West showing himself as gullible as ever so that Western banking elites keep on pushing their puppets like Macron, Merz and Starmer for more easy money to Zelenski).
Putin knows that Russia is a cultural exception that cannot survive in a globalized world (even without the 2014 coup) in which only money matters. It is only when threatened physically that Russians unite, survive and find the will to create an alternative world in which they can control that huge land with a relatively small population.
Posted by: Nour | Jul 14 2025 13:15 utc | 8
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Good way to put it, especially with playing dumb.
Jaques Baud stated that he started the SMSO not because he was ready but because he was triggered by Zelensky’s troop movements. Biden also said on Feb 16 that Putin would invade.
Baud thought at the time that Russia would have to prepare for a full scale war against NATO, which he is still doing.
The US Military is also playing along nicely. They do not want war but the various politicians seem to be stuck in their groove. Time will sort this out, I am expecting more jaw jaw and confused and indecisive EU and NATO actions.

Posted by: Acco Hengst | Jul 14 2025 14:18 utc | 28

Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 13:49 utc
“… but because of pride, because of hubris.”
I see those as only exploited tools rather than the root…

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jul 14 2025 14:21 utc | 29

Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 14 2025 14:04 utc | 24
The juice have only been active for what, 3k years? Are you suggesting imperial practices weren’t previously extant in either place or time?
In Hawaii they have a legend of the little people, the menehune. Turns out they were actually Marquesans who reached the islands a few hundred years before the Tahitians.
Being larger, stronger and more warlike, the Tahitians of course eradicated the ‘menehune’ claiming paradise for themselves.
This exact type of behavior was noted among MesoAmericans by Spanish missionaries accompanying the conquistadors. Of course, it was dismissed as exaggeration by those denying reality.
There are countless archeological sites where an ash line is discovered, then the presence of new types of artifacts, tools, etc enclosed within the next layer.
Perhaps it’s part of a journey of knowledge that requires discarding previously held emotional beliefs regarding race, religion, culture, class.
The root of all conflict is infinitely much simpler: you’ve got, I want it.
If it’s class, how to explain the War of roses? If it’s tribal, what about Cain & Abel?
Murders within family and friends networks happen everyday in every corner of the globe.

Posted by: Markw | Jul 14 2025 14:24 utc | 30

“I believe that it always has been and is about greed.”
In Buddhism there’s something called a Kalpa of Decrease in which everything gets worse, life spans are shorter and we are dominated by people who occupy the Three Evil Paths. These are the lowest life states of Greed, Arrogance and Stupidity. Each has a karmic effect, so together they’re called the “Three Calamities” of Famine, War and Pestilence. I find that eerily accurate.

Posted by: tom | Jul 14 2025 14:29 utc | 31

“I believe that it always has been and is about greed.”
In Buddhism there’s something called a Kalpa of Decrease in which everything gets worse, life spans are shorter and we are dominated by people who occupy the Three Evil Paths. These are the lowest life states of Greed, Arrogance and Stupidity. Each has a karmic effect, so together they’re called the “Three Calamities” of Famine, War and Pestilence. I find that eerily accurate.

Posted by: tom | Jul 14 2025 14:29 utc | 32

Posted by: Nour | Jul 14 2025 13:15 utc | 8

Putin is playing dumb and playing victim for public consumption …

That’s correct. He understands the “root racial causes” but let only people under him speak in very sincere terms, such as “Anglo-Saxons”, words used first by Medveded, and recently, to my own surprise, by Lavrov.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 14:29 utc | 33

“ To my mind the point of conflict is that Western Thought feels obliged to destroy what it cannot control.
too scents@13:10
I would tend to agree
Is this a fair paraphrase if somewhat cruder?
“I ‘own’ everything therefore everything I don’t ‘own’ has, is or will be destroyed”
I would more likely characterise it as the Western impulse
Regardless it more rings with feudalism or Marx’s. “Eastern Potentate “

Posted by: will moon | Jul 14 2025 14:31 utc | 34

Sorry, finger dyslexia: should have been from “tom paine”

Posted by: Tom Paine | Jul 14 2025 14:31 utc | 35

#15
quite right! Putin has a lot of work to do in his own rows.
Greedy Oligarchs, western minded,
Traitors and corruption,
Oldschool soviet thinking in military ranks,
Installed NGOs from the west,
and so on.
IMHO he’s talking about his “mistake” adressed to Russians, to cover up.
And he made a great job. Russia can’t be swallowed easily by high finance groups, states or entities like EU.
Russia is prepared to survive the collaps the $ €£¥ whatsoever Fiatmoney looming at the horizont..
To achieve that, its ramping up their MIC in meanings of numbers, soldiers and technical progress. “The West” don’t dare to seek a full blown war.
All rich men knows that their lives are over in case of that all-in war. No place to hide..

Posted by: ableman | Jul 14 2025 14:31 utc | 36

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 14 2025 13:10 utc | 6
“But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?”
Because Putin thought he and Russia would one day be welcomed into the Western fold – little did he know that they wouldn’t be – and that Russia’s assets were in their crosshairs – and still are.

From a game-theoretic point of view, this assumption in 1990s era Russia (and likewise China) was rational. Many here think that “the West” is pathologically evil but ultimately there are (at least some) capitalist actors who make, or used to make, rational decisions.
I don’t know if there ever was a chance for such a development. Given that Western Europe prepares to be thrown into a war it cannot win [1], the thirty years of Russian and Chinese understatement and mild gestures were a godsend. These countries set up an economic and military counter to US empire that’s a more massive obstacle than the Warsaw Pact / Eastern economic bloc of the first cold war.
[1] About the upcoming war: I have no idea if it can still be prevented but it doesn’t look good. Two concrete provocations are being set up: one in the Baltic Sea and another one with long-reach attacks into Russia. For each, the hope is to force a strong Russian reaction that in turn can be used to send EUropeans to the death.
Everybody knows that a war against Russia can’t be won. That was true for 2022 Ukraine — a nation prepped for war against Russia like no other since 1939 Germany, and it is true for combined EU now. I don’t even think that Washington, Brussels, London, Paris, Berlin have any illusions that Russia could break apart from attacks or sanctions.
All that said, the upcoming war makes sense! It puts the EU on an extremely tight leash (you can see that every day in the mainstream news) and it transfers revenue to the US headquarters. After plundering the ROW for so long, it’s finally time to plunder the foremost vassals.
That’s a different strategy than the 1990s Eastern dream of world wide win-win collaboration and is enacted by a different type of capital.

Posted by: Konami | Jul 14 2025 14:35 utc | 37

I think Putin has been quite aware of the geopolitical realities since he first became president of Russia in 1999. His policies and their overall success indicate that he is a very practical leader and not one who is mired in ideology. He’s just being modest here.
RealPolitik, or Great Powers thinking about geopolitics, used to be the dominant school in American political science. But there are not a lot of Realist geopolitical thinkers in America any more. The great majority now are Idealists and have been since the collapse of the USSR, after which the US became the sole Superpower and Great Power contests supposedly ended. Hence the risible notion that we were at “The End of History” (Francis Fukuyama, 1992).
John Mearsheimer is the exception that proves the rule, and he is an old-timer. The other realists are long retired. Richard Wolff and Michael Hudson help fill the gap with their excellent analysis of political economics.

Posted by: Clever Dog | Jul 14 2025 14:36 utc | 38

I guess the sheer size of Russia (one sixth of the world’s earth mass etc) has always instilled a mix of envy and threat from rivals..
Capitalism is just warfare conducted by other means..

Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jul 14 2025 14:39 utc | 39

I disagree with the premise that this isn’t about ideology. It’s not about Russia’s ideology … it is 100% about capitalism. Capitalism needs growth. You can’t take a cut of anything you invest in unless that investment is increasing in value so without growth there’s not much point in investing.
Russia is a market to be exploited and Russia has abundant resources capitalists in the west would like own but m ore importantly Russian resources absolutely can’t be allowed to end up in the hands of a competitor … in other words China or to a lesser extent Germany.
It’s been known for centuries that the end game of capitalism is wars over control of resources and markets and here we are today smack dab in the middle of it.

Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 14 2025 14:41 utc | 40

With respect, it is not simply a matter of greed.
You ask about Napoleon. Well, Napoleon was seeking to gain a better foundation for the French Empire. Russia was part of an axis with Britain that was threatening to it.
No better or worse: throughout time there have been warlords trying to set up the strongest bases they could.
This is not simply greed, but functions under the truth that there is never “enough” when all gains can wear away, when complexity in the strategic environment means you might need every inch.
Hence your “anti-Westernism” is not helping. Not to say that “the West” should be considered to exist or be taken on its own terms–there again, I think I’d actually do better than you on that score as well.
Rather, we would do well to focus our attention on what is changing: no base is secure in the time of AI. We must address the issues of the Hobbesian Trap, which actually undoes all national myths and not only “Western” hallucinations of civilization.
The only “indivisible security” there will be in the future operates at the level of people themselves, not nations or civilizations which are just marketing/psyops. Any stake in protecting some “national base” will fall to psyops which target individuals and sub-networks, or else be overcome transcendentally by Wunderwaffen which knock down any “national base” like so many cannons and fortress walls.
In the future, the only way to be alive is for no one to want to kill you.
This speaks to the profound imperative for “moral” involution and innovation.
Something like “China” with its Global Civilization Initiative is what to iterate on. Even that is not nearly good enough, as it entertains legacy delusions of aggregate coherence which will continue to fall as AI allows for micro targeting which will defeat these conceptual abstractions.

Posted by: Adam Stephen Wadley | Jul 14 2025 14:41 utc | 41

Posted by: DoesItReallyMatter | Jul 14 2025 14:21 utc | 29
I see those [pride, hubris] as only exploited tools rather than the root…

That’s a valid alternative view but it errs by over-estimating Western leadership (we are declining and our leadership is declining faster than the rest of us).
If it was greed, they wouldn’t antagonize Russia, since they’d be richer doing business with Russia AND Russia cannot be conquered militarily. But they are willing to sacrifice our businesses, something they have done already as acknowledged by commenters here, in the altar of their pride, in the shrines where our politicians worship their horribly malformed egoes.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 14:43 utc | 42

Reading Marx it seams that we are near the end of this stage of capitalism. Without some kind of industrial revolution (AI?) the elite sensing problems increasingly behaves as sharks during feeding frenzy buchering whale. They thought that Russia is that whale, but it turns that whale is more like kiler whale. So they will have to increase pressure on its domestic population. Interesting times indeed.

Posted by: Grey Cloud | Jul 14 2025 14:47 utc | 43

@ b who wrote

I believe that it always has been and is about greed.

Commenter too sents says “Greed is not the driving motivation. Rather, spite is.”
I am of the opinion it is all about hubris and my case in point is the link to the 1054 East-West Schism that b provides.
I would just note that in 1054, humanity witnessed the explosion of what we call the Crab Nebula

Recent analysis of historical records have found that the supernova that created the Crab Nebula probably appeared in April or early May, rising to its maximum brightness of between apparent magnitude −7 and −4.5 (brighter even than Venus’ −4.2 and everything in the night sky except the Moon) by July. The supernova was visible to the naked eye for about two years after its first observation.

Nowhere in the East-West Schism religious babble is there mention of this physical reality that was beyond comprehension at the time and even now is….hubris is our biggest problem…we ignore reality and make shit up instead of admitting we don’t know much of anything.
Humanity knows less than 5% of everything including those atoms with all that “empty space”…../s
But we can create a religion that explains our Cosmos, everything in it and how to live as humans……pull the other leg.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 14 2025 14:54 utc | 44

No, it did not take Putin that long, obviously.
Like all good politicians, he is directing a nice piece of bs and propaganda to his domestic audience.
1-It is better to play dumb than admit your own f#ckups. The whole mission to win back Ukraine exists because it was lost under his reign..
2-Making the West appear to be the only greedy and imperially expansive entity deflects from Russia’s own greed and imperialist actions.
The best example is blaming all the disasters of the 90’s on the West, while ignoring traitors and incompetent drunks like Yeltsin, as well countless unscrupulous selfish criminals who sold out Russia’s wealth and betrayed its people for personal gain. Putin is today still beholden to all those oligarchs with fortunes invested abroad came from wealth extracted from Russia’s treasure, despite all his bs about patriotism and sovereignty.

Posted by: Rubiconned | Jul 14 2025 14:55 utc | 45

When I wrote my report yesterday, I disagreed with Putin and listed some of my reasons why. I linked to Pavel Zarubin’s Telegram where he posted the entire interview that Telegram says is too big. As of this morning the Kremlin website has nothing about it. Do recall Putin’s 2019 interview with the Financial Times where he declared Liberalism dead–that was certainly ideological. In the Russian Constitution, Article 13 point 2 says:
“2. No ideology may be established as state or obligatory one.”
On 11 July 2024, I reported on this topic in “What Kind of Ideology Does Russia Need?” I suggest reading again.
Ideology is everywhere and permeates most everything as I note in my current article. Nationalism is an ideology, and the ever-insistent demand that the Father/Motherland be honored and protected–that it’s a high duty to serve and defend Russia. People are awarded Hero of Russia, so there must be some criteria for attaining that honor that has an ideological basis.
Hudson has distilled the ideological battle to this–Barbarism versus Socialism. Russia is now and has been saying it’s fighting Nazism–Again–so it must have an anti-Nazi ideology. Further argument at my substack article b was kind enough to link.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 14:57 utc | 46

Did that thinking take long to evolve? In his 2007 speech at Munich Putin already emphasized unipolarity was coming to an end. His geopolitical thinking gradually evolved from that premise.

Posted by: Teraspol | Jul 14 2025 15:09 utc | 47

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | July 14, 2025 13:16 UTC | 9
“So when B asks “what took them so long”, I say that it is an index of the character of these countries that “they took so long”.”
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Perhaps traces of their socialist past (both Russia and China)
I can’t help thinking about a woman, who wasn’t oppresed by her sourroundings before her marriage, but now her husband oppresses her in thier marriage. She doesn’t really know herself, but she is a kind person who wishes other people well, she can’t imagine that someone could want to exploit and oppress anyone, especially not the one who has promised her eternal love when they got married-she is blue-eyed(innocent, naive).
Finally after a long time she realizes that her husband will never change, and she knows that she can support herself and her children, only then is she ready to break up, and she will never take the him back.
Maybe she is ready to cooperate with him in the future, if he shows in every little action that he has understood how badly he has behaved. But she will never marry him again.
Think “ the woman”= Putin, think “her husband”=US/Western imperialism.
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And then rejection of Marxism…
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Posted by: Barofsky | Jul 14, 2025 13:44 UTC | 19
“YES! What took him so long?! Was it wishful thinking on Putin’s part? No, never! It was a rejection of the Marxist interpretation of history, of class interests, understandable, up to a point I suppose, but without acknowledging class interests in what motivates the imperialist states, Putin was doomed to be wrong. Has he woken up? I really hope so.”
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Maybe it’s because Putin realizes that one has to take one step at a time. and that he knows that everything has to take its time. Maybe he’s not aware enough yet. How knowledgeable can Putin be in Marxism?

Posted by: Northern Eve | Jul 14 2025 15:14 utc | 48

During this humble and candid yet one of his very best interviews by far since he came to power, VVP also for the very first time reveals to the public that he was not ready for the job when he was first told to do so by his predecessor.
Today VVP has shown to be the greatest leader in living memory of the Russia Empire.
And by the way, the fact that we have not had WW3 yet is because he continues putting an end to it every time the Outlaw US of A (those psycos in the military and MIC led by NAZI Zionists) pushes for it.
God bless Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin (VVP).

Posted by: pepe | Jul 14 2025 15:16 utc | 49

‘So when B asks “what took them so long”, I say it’s an index of these countries’ character that “they took that long”.’
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 13:16 utc | 9
Thx for that apropos observation. It helps calm my suspicions those 3 are “in on the NWO agenda”, just coming at it from a different angle. That has loomed large in my mind these past 5yrs. But actions by them and the West, combined w ur comment, have helped temper that somewhat.
In a way Russia’s recent “arc” is similar to our own, or should be. Many of us recoiled when this full-spectrum totalitarianism took hold in the West in 2020 (if not earlier). I went thru all 5 stages of grief as I was confronted by my own mortality in 2020 vis a vis the never-ending mandates & edicts. Not much I can do to change the world beyond the borders of my community. So my focus now is there: helping fam, friends & neighbours become more resilient & self-sufficient in the face of increasing tyranny. After all, there are no guarantees of tomorrow, so I live my freest, truest self today. And it’s indeed liberating…

Posted by: ianMoone | Jul 14 2025 15:19 utc | 50

How many times in his career has Putin used these words referring to the West,
“Our partners”?
All they ever wanted was to join the club. The idea that Russia and China represent an alternative to Western capitalism is a complete delusion.
But let’s all celebrate their bigger faster harder missiles. Russia can oreshnik the world to a brighter future, one running on Chinese EVs and solar panels, designed by Elon Musk, to solve a problem that doesn’t even exist, i.e., global warming.
And remember: war is real, disease is fake. You can’t see covid, unlike bombs over Kiev.

Posted by: duck n cover | Jul 14 2025 15:19 utc | 51

@ karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 14:57 utc | 46
that reminds me of the idea that a pickpocket only sees your pockets… one has to be careful of thinking ideology is everything as well..
i liked what tom paine said – buddhism essentially – a combo of ”Greed, Arrogance and Stupidity”…
putin might be playing coy and making like he has no ideology, or is surprised, but i doubt that…

Posted by: james | Jul 14 2025 15:20 utc | 52

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 13:16 utc | 9
yeah thanks for that quote that ianMoone highlights.. i liked that too and thought it very genuine..

Posted by: james | Jul 14 2025 15:23 utc | 53

It is their economies!
For example: US, Qatar etc can supply LNG. That would de-industrialize the EU.
Kiev is west’s wedge to do the RF as they did Yugoslavia.
They are after Iran.
Then PRC.
Neoliberal economi empire.

Posted by: paddy | Jul 14 2025 15:27 utc | 54

Russia and the USSR had every chance to reform themselves, but then Glasnost’ showed us that Perestroika was not working. The system was too sclerotic and corrupt to allow anything of importance to change.
They could have taken a slower approach, first privatizing the means of consumption and allowing small businesses to let a generation or two gain some sense of entrepreneurial thinking and the meaning of private ownership before then privatizing everything – including heavy industry and natural resources – into the hands of the oligarchs.
Russia is not going to outgrow the situation it was in, namely that it produces almost nothing the rest of the world wants or needs, it can only make money by selling off its own natural resources, and whoever controls those controls the country.

Posted by: Noam A. Larkey | Jul 14 2025 15:28 utc | 55

My own conclusion as well. In one word: greed.
I am just reading Alex Krainer’s book The Killing of William Browder. In it he describes the astonishing looting of Russia by the “Global Financial Interests” which reminded me of of William Dalrymples’s account of the looting of India by the British East India Company.
Though Krainer doesn’t make the point, the number of trans-national Jews involved, the connection to Israel and also Mossad in the rape of Russia is unmistakable. If one does not see the hidden hand of the “Rotheschilds” one has to be blind.
I wonder in how many countries have been looted this way in the past 500 years?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/04/east-india-company-original-corporate-raiders.

Posted by: Elial22 | Jul 14 2025 15:32 utc | 56

“…I believe that it always has been and is about greed.”
This is a part of it; but I don’t think it goes to the core of the matter which is pride.
Pride being the core belief that there are superior beings and lesser beings and that it is the responsibility of the superior beings to ensure the continuation and advancement of the species.
Once an individual, through their pride, believes they are among the superior beings then it’s an easy jump for him (or her) to justify imposing on the lesser whatever means are necessary to first ensure the survival of the superior beings and, so, survival of the species.
To me, the EU and the UK have been, and continue to be, loaded with very proud leaders, hard at work employing whatever means necessary to preserve the survival of the species.
As a corollary to that, it has been a long standing belief among EU/UK leaders that a subjugated Russia would ensure the survival of the species for a long time to come.

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | Jul 14 2025 15:35 utc | 57

“The standoff is only about geopolitical interests”
This could better be seen as deprogramming, first for Russians, so as to help with forming of a balanced perspective (countering negative emotional reactions); secondly to the indoctrinated Westerns who can’t separate their racism from reality, believing in metaphysical superiority, over the mythical Russian Magog.
Not knowing Gog and Magog is themselves.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 14 2025 15:36 utc | 58

Posted by b on July 14, 2025 at 12:52 UTC | Permalink
it always has been and is about greed.
why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?
<=I agree greed explains the force which initiates and continues the conflicts The reason for until 2022 is founded in the ideological live and let live philosophy practiced by the Russia people.. to them its just unimaginable that people hate them just because they are Russian.. its unimaginable that people are willing to destroy Russia just to get what Russia willing would sell to them.. The Russian rarely plays in the king of the mountain game. Imagine Russia offering to sell at a discount marbles that cost $1 million dollars each bucket full togather. The selling price per marble is easily affordable.. but instead of buying your marbles from Russia, you raise an army, spend billions to get it armed and trained, and you send your army to kill Russians, destroy Russia and to take its bucket of marbles. The logic of that defies all reason, unless you understand those in charge of raising armies and spending billions operate off of the king of the mountain ideology. Then, and only then, does spending billions and sending people to die in order to steal what could have been easily had for millions make sense. It is this mentality (ideology)that permeates the persons who are currently in control of the governments of the western world. These people are sick.. I believe most Americans are not only aware of it, but are are tired of it. I think most Europeans are too.. Its just that no one has yet mustered the energy to do something about it.. Great Question.. B. Johan Kaspar | Jul 14 2025 13:49 utc | 20 's explanation comes close to explaining how king of the mountain ideology is often expressed in real life.. Russia has a great potential to become super rich, with that territory, resources and population, and for the first with a capitalist economic framework. Anglo cannot accept anyone richer than itself (projected to include America). It's monkey business. Posted by: HB_Norica | Jul 14 2025 14:41 utc | 40 Capitalism needs growth. Russia is a market to be exploited and Russia has abundant resources capitalists in the west would like own but m ore importantly Russian resources absolutely can't be allowed to end up in the hands of a competitor. <=capitalism does not need growth it thrives on competition; monopolism needs growth. When you own or control all of the factors of production and all of the sales in all markets are your sales there is no where else to go(for more)..but when the market is fixed competition thrives, (that is the difference between capitalism and monopolism). The nation state system has been the great provider of monopoly powers. It supplies the Aristocrats that organized and control it with as much and as many monopoly powers as the few need or want. It does this by the rule of law and use of force. Private ownership of all Monopoly power is the sought after prize.. all else. Even the marbles in the Russian buckets are just steps in search of absolute monopoly power. Many say the ideology incorporated in Zionism provides the distributed source of energy, focus and organization that enables the nation state system to be exploitive?

Posted by: snake | Jul 14 2025 15:37 utc | 59

james | Jul 14 2025 15:20 utc | 52–
Thanks for your reply james. There was some good commentary at my original article and some carryover into the Merz comments. Ironically, Putin held a meeting today on social issues that’s most certainly grounded in ideology. I’ll also note that saying you have no ideology is an ideology.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 15:41 utc | 60

As I answered Djole with respect to Putin (with additions and revisions https://x.com/JimJatras/status/1944563994145992749 ):
Putin is totally WRONG!
It is NOT just “geopolitical”!
It IS ideological!
Putin is jumping from one mistake to another.
His mistake is thinking of “ideological” solely in terms of holdover Cold War hostility toward communism. He’s right: It’s NOT that.
But it IS ideological hostility to Russia as a national, civilizational state resting on an Orthodox Christian and ethnic Russian foundation. [MoonofA is correct to trace it ultimately back to 1054 and all that, but much more has been added over the centuries.]
The Global American Empire (GAE) wants to destroy Russia not because it’s communist but because it ISN’T anymore. The US was never as hostile to the USSR as it is to today’s Russia; no Soviet leader (Khrushchev, Brezhnev, not even Stalin, was as demonized as Putin. That doesn’t mean that material interests aren’t important but that reducing Western hostility to Russia SOLELY to such interests is mistaken.
This is what Putin’s STILL missing, leading to the mistaken conclusion that it’s “just geopolitics” – & therefore amenable to making a “deal.” It’s also why the West still hopes they can pressure or trick him into a Minsk 3-style truce/ceasefire, while the Kremlin’s approach to the war STILL appears to be “pedagogical,” aiming for a “deal,” not an unambiguous push for victory, Berlin 1945-style. See https://www.moonofalabama.org/2024/12/russia-agree-to-be-provoked-or-fall-for-lucys-football.html

Posted by: Jim Jatras | Jul 14 2025 15:42 utc | 61

Re napoleon: Napoleon was fighting coalition of “heredity oligarchy” mostly aligned against change. I’ve unlearned enough poorly written pro-oligarchy history that, in the absence of my own time investment, i wonder whether he was a liberator.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 14 2025 15:48 utc | 62

“ Capitalism is just warfare conducted by other means..”
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jul 14 2025 14:39
“The CIA is Capitalism’s invisible army”
Philip Agee – former CIA officer

Posted by: will moon | Jul 14 2025 15:48 utc | 63

“ Capitalism is just warfare conducted by other means..”
Posted by: Gerry Bell | Jul 14 2025 14:39
“The CIA is Capitalism’s invisible army”
Philip Agee – former CIA officer

Posted by: will moon | Jul 14 2025 15:48 utc | 64

Despite my being unable to refute Shadowbanned, rk et al convincingly , i must say I still draw the same conclusions as almost everyone else on here that Putin could act only with the cards given him. Those cards include the domestic and global political and military landscapes, including China’s growth.

Posted by: I forgot | Jul 14 2025 15:52 utc | 65

Putin’s speech reminds me of Neitztche declaring “God is Dead.” There is no Western morality. We salty cynics fail to be moved by the power of these words. Russia is not suffering under authoritarian, censorship, and rapacious moguls stripping the citizens blind, that’s now the West. The soft power the US enjoyed with that now false narrative should not be underestimated. All of us here are bitter about it, but we’re long disillusioned, but not most Russians and certainly not most in the US, UK and EU. The scales are falling from the eyes of the Rest of the World, and slowly in the West.

Posted by: Scottindallas | Jul 14 2025 15:52 utc | 66

The paper mache tiger, Pedo President, has spoken. Cast down his rather small gauntlet. Secondary sactions on Russian trading partners! 😆 😂
So barflies, what’s the going bet on Maericans fucking their own dollar before Christmas? We are watching the downfall of the US in real time. Its quite a spectacle – and it will only get worse.
Putin may have miscalculated thinking he was dealing with human beings. He is dealing with animals. However, I am sure the rest of the world is taking notes. Im not sure the geniuses running things in the US have thought this through. But what do I know?

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 14 2025 15:53 utc | 67

b – greed
two scents – spite
psychohistorian – hubris
me – Those things are not mutually exclusive. Greed is the initial and continuing motivation, hubris is the thought that the west can take what they want and spite is the reaction when they find out they can’t. There’s a feedback loop which we’re seeing now from spite back to more hubris. That loop is similar to a flushed toilet.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jul 14 2025 15:53 utc | 68

Might be worth mentioning, but the U.S. and Russia were allies against the Brits from the American revolution, when Catherine the Great refused to supply mercenaries to the British (who used Hessians instead); at least through the Lincoln administration, when Alexander II sent naval squadrons to keep the British from intervening in the American Civil War; which they did. In gratitude, New Orleans set up the current Mardi Gras celebration (very minor before that) with its Rexes and Courts, etc., to honor a visiting Russian Grand Duke; who also went buffalo hunting with Buffalo Bill and several Civil War generals (Sheridan, as I recall). Things started to go bad after 1898, with the seizure of Hawaii and the Philippines, establishing the U.S. as a major world power, and also the Open Door Policy, to make the world safe for American capitalism. (I.E., unfettered access to buy up foreign economies.)

Posted by: Seward | Jul 14 2025 15:55 utc | 69

“ I’ll also note that saying you have no ideology is an ideology.
Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 15:41 utc |
Thanks for the reminder

Posted by: will moon | Jul 14 2025 15:55 utc | 70

“It is only about geopolitical interests”
Putin has , by this statement, reduced all of Western history to one single act: Mammon
Anything and everything, was only to the achievement of these ends, and anyone believing otherwise, the ideologues and sycophants, were merely tools. In this way, Westerners we’re never ideological, but always idolaters, in service of this self-worship. When the lie is removed, then nothing else remains. There is nothing left.

Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 14 2025 15:59 utc | 71

“But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?”
Because Putin thought he and Russia would one day be welcomed into the Western fold – little did he know that they wouldn’t be – and that Russia’s assets were in their crosshairs – and still are.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 14 2025 13:10 utc | 6
I think Putin, backed by Russia’s post Soviet Oligarchs, came to believe that almost everything they learned about the West in the Soviet days was Stalinist propaganda. In particular, the Leninist concept of Imperialism was considered a myth for many years after the Soviet’s self liquidation.
Reality has now reestablished the existence and nature of Imperialism.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 14 2025 16:06 utc | 72

Barflies: you are in fine form today.
May I draw your attention to:
a. The diversity of opinion, range of ideas set out by the Barflies on this thread, and
b. The rapidly-evolving consensus about factors affecting Putin’s and Russias “coming around” the we are currently doing in fast-forward mode. “Fast” because the Barflies are almost uniformly _already_ tuned in, our learning and thinking mostly already done, and we’re a small group
Russia has to move the whole population, and it takes a lot to get that population prepped for action / decision-making. Just as it does any big group.
===
And to all that made fun of what I posted upthread, and you know who you are, I tip my hat.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 16:16 utc | 73

I know that Cold War 1 began before WW2 was over. But I don’t know how long it took until USA/NATO (the aggressive side) realized that there wouldn’t be a quick solution, so that the world had to have two political poles for a while. Do you? Was this settled after McCarthy? Sputnik 1957? Cuba 1962?
The current situation is bad, and particularly grim if you live in Europe, as I do. One of my hopes is that we’re in the transition phase where the West has to make that realization again. The thirty or so years “end of history” were the exception, not the norm. If we’re unlucky, a torn and beaten Ukraine isn’t enough to drive the point home, and it takes more European sacrifices. We’ll see.
As this unfolds, I see ever more wisdom in the decision to go slow in the SMO: not only are losses smaller (important for the Russian home front) but the East can prepare for the potential battles after Ukraine. Yet perhaps as importantly, going slow gives the West (that means: important classes in the West) time to adapt and accept.
It’s not a sign of weakness that Moscow and Beijing wave trade & business opportunities around, all the time and even now. Beyond being the right thing to do, this sets up incentives that will becomes more and more relevant over time. I think of it as the geopolitical/economic equivalent of not entirely encircling the enemy in battle: leaving the opponent options allows, at the very least, cracks in unity. I believe we can see some of that already. They’re manufacturing consent and unity in the West as ever but the price is higher than before.

Posted by: Konami | Jul 14 2025 16:16 utc | 74

Ralph Conner | Jul 14 2025 14:15 utc | 25
That ALL western politicians are in the control of the ethno supremacist Zio conspiracy is still the elephant in the room. That they get away with killing Russian soldiers with impunity proves that it’s his problem as well.
******
Bingo!! Nailed it as they say…
Putin and possibly Xi has their “part” to play. What is it about Turkiye, India and now Iran that see in Putin/Russia that they want to interact with them BUT at arms length??
Time will tell but methinks that Russian resources may already be promised to this “group” they just need to follow the script for another year or two.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 14 2025 16:16 utc | 75

“ There is nothing left.”
Posted by: Nothingburgers | Jul 14 2025 15:59
After Ragnorok, a few bedraggled survivors returned to what was Asgard, before Surtur the fire demon covered the world in fire. They went to a place that of old the Gods had taken sport – feats of arms, of wits, chess even. It was all burned up, the beautiful meadow was a hideous expanse of ash and slag and dried lava flows. It seemed the saddest sight they had seen of all the burnt world.
There was nothing left.
Then one, maybe Magni, Thor’s son, knelt down, something caught his eye.. Then standing he held in his hand a golden chess piece of the kind they all recognised. The piece was one that had survived the fire – they cheered, something remained

Posted by: will moon | Jul 14 2025 16:26 utc | 76

Theodor Roosevelt (secretly) supported Japan in the Japanese-Russian war of 1904-1905 because Japan would be a check on Russia’s ambitions to move eastwards towards the Pacific (e.g. Port Arthur, Korea). That way the US could expand its influence into the Far East and south East Asia.

Posted by: WMG | Jul 14 2025 16:27 utc | 77

1. Russian President Putin: “The world respects only those who can protect themselves.”
This is akin to the orthodox Marxist view that the only revolution worthy of its name is the one that can defend itself.
Here, there exists a dividing line between what I will call here the “fake left”, who trivialize Putin’s claim as a distraction and unimportant, and the enduring left, primarily centered in the Global South, who have always understood the claim by the Russian President.
Putin’s claim is nothing new for some of us but that doesn’t minimize its importance nor the necessity of repeating it as a kind of political ABC. So kudos for the Russian President.
2. Russian has a long history of debate between so-called Westerners and let’s call the other side Slavophiles. The entire historical period leading up to the Russian Revolution in 1917 was characterized by this debate; it included, for example, those who argued that Russia could “pass over” the stage of capitalist development entirely and those, like Lenin, who argued that the process of capitalist development had already begun, with its own Russian attributes, and so on. It’s a rich part of their history.
I think it would be fair to say that the current Russian administration has had quite enough of Western “advice” on how to run their affairs, are happy to honour their own traditions and even refer to Russia as a civilizational state, and have simply, as politely as they can, moved on. They are providing a shining example to the rest of the world and it is, perhaps, no less significant than their epochal and never-to-be-forgotten military defeat of Nazi Germany in 1945.
3. It might be worthwhile to compare and contrast the views of the current Russian state with, say, the Geopolitical views of that trend that includes Prof. Radhika Desai, Michael Hudson et al. What are the similarities and differences between the views of the Russian state today with such thinkers that place themselves in the Marxist tradition? Food for thought.

Posted by: NH | Jul 14 2025 16:29 utc | 78

Putin:
But over time, he points out, it became clear that the background is not ideology, but something else – interest.
B:
One might call that ideological but I believe that it always has been and is about greed.

I am deeply disappointed.

Posted by: 2+2=5 | Jul 14 2025 16:32 utc | 79

Trump:
The rate of duties against the Russian Federation and its trading partners in the absence of progress in the settlement in Ukraine will be 100%.
The United States will impose secondary sanctions on the Russian Federation and its trading partners if there is no deal on Ukraine within 50 days.

Posted by: Realenti | Jul 14 2025 16:36 utc | 80

And today Trump said that out gullible Putin is a tough guy who managed to fool lot of people Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden, but not him, of course…
They all are just screwing with us.

Posted by: hopehely | Jul 14 2025 16:36 utc | 81

Although their chat focused mainly on West Asia/Iran, the Napolitano/Crooke chat today also talked about Russia and speculated on what Trump might utter tonight. At least this thread hasn’t yet degenerated into a TDS dominated one.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 16:36 utc | 82

Posted by: Elial22 | Jul 14 2025 15:32 utc | 56

I do not agree entirely with the premise being just greed.
There is some elements of it to this notion nonetheless.
However, having looked around the corner many times before, it is clear that it all boils down to ‘envy‘ — a sin — pure and simple.

Posted by: pepe | Jul 14 2025 16:38 utc | 83

Are we supposed to believe that Putin was unaware of the writings of Mackinder, Brzezinski and Wolfowitz prior to 2022? If only the “Heartland Theory for Dummies” version.
I expect that prior to that, Russia did not have a serious plan to do anything about it.
There is still an ideological component. The west continues to use the “privatize the gains, socialize the losses” economic model. In Russia/China, the state holds significant shares in nationally, strategically important industries, which allows for far lower tax rates on individuals.

Posted by: Fool Me Twice | Jul 14 2025 16:39 utc | 84

@bisfab | Jul 14 2025 16:16 utc, and other posters on the same theme:
There is no question that the Rule The World cabal is very substantially, maybe mostly consists of “Jewish” (Khazar, etc.) extraction, and that there’s pan-West capture of gov’ts in service to God’s Chosen People. That’s certainly settled in my mind.
And it seems likely that Putin has to deal, and deal a lot, with the tentacles of said cabal that currently extend throughout the Russian real economy (e.g. production systems). Jewish oligarchs own big swaths of the Russian real economy apparatus.
And what deals does Putin have to make in order to continue ramping up production, some key components of which are still in hands of Jewish oligarchs, whose loyalty is not at all a given? I think bisfab is right to ask this question.
More broadly, tho, I don’t see Russia offering any significant rebuke nor restraint on Iran as / when it pummeled Israel. I think Russia has fewer degrees of freedom of response to Jewish predation on Russia than Iran has w/r/t Jewish predation on Iran.
bisfab: Turkey doesn’t trust anyone, has no loyalties to anyone but itself, and is the consummate horse-trader. Traits that also seem common among Arabs….which is why Arab nations have such a tough time playing as a team. India has always been “independent”, sorta. It’s how they see themselves, and to a great degree, that’s Iran as well. Independent.
And it turned out that Iran, in accordance with their pre-war rhetoric, actually didn’t need that much outside help to put a hurtin’ on Israel. Still gladdens my heart to consider that reality.Yay!
Point being that Iran apparently got its “independence” and its victory, too. Had the cake and ate it.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 16:39 utc | 85

As an American, I was always brainwashed also. We had a “free market”, which was awesome and superior and worth killing for.
They had a “planned economy”, which was stupid and inefficient and therefore they needed to be killed.
Yeah, for a while I just unthinkingly accepted the dogma, but when I matured, I realized that it was too stupid for me to believe any more.
Pirates gonna pirate, after all, and the US empire, like the UK empire before it, made its wealth from killing, looting, and stealing. And Russia is a prize, what with all the oil, gas, land, uranium, and so many other resources that the US needs.
To a thief, seeing that prize in reach, guarded by so few people, is irresistible.
And that is exactly why the US is going for the prize. When the Last Ukrainian is gone, (with the added bonus of making the Ukraine easily lootable), the US will use Azerbaijan, or Georgia (again), or Poland….the possibilities are endless. But they will not stop.

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 14 2025 16:41 utc | 86

One reason politicians and business titans get caught up sexual perversions is Power’s endless scale, it’s the perfect drug of addiction, one can’t overdose, only lose touch with morals, ethics and humanity. The frequent accusations of crimes against the most innocent are no surprise
Is it really an accident that someone like Epstein should rise to such prominence in these times with clients amongst the wealthiest men who have ever lived and largest wealth disparity.
Greed, avarice, covetousness…. there’s 7 isn’t there?

Posted by: Mercury | Jul 14 2025 16:41 utc | 87

Posted by: Realenti | Jul 14 2025 16:36 utc | 80
The United States will impose secondary sanctions on the Russian Federation and its trading partners if there is no deal on Ukraine within 50 days.
<=BRICS will be 50 days stronger and after the 50th day.. the threat will be extended 500 days.. ? Putin's plan is for the Russian army to take the rest of Ukraine in 49 days?

Posted by: snake | Jul 14 2025 16:42 utc | 88

Lots of speculation today about Trump’s upcoming announcement with regard to Ukraine and Russia. Some say he will announce the confiscation of Russia’s $300 billion in investment accounts held in western banks.
Also, I found this interesting. Someone was asked about Australia’s view of this Trump administration. Unpredictable and disappointed was the answer. They described three competing characteristics of the current administration: 1) those that hold the view of America First – where competing nations have well-defined “spheres of influence”, 2) MAGA die-hards – or those who believe in the primacy of U.S. power and the need to restore American preeminence globally, and 3) the last group is “purely transactional and ego-driven, with no guiding principles other than self-interest.”

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Jul 14 2025 16:43 utc | 89

KEEP THE SANCTIONS COMING – PILE THEM ON !!!
Then Russia and China will wake up and free themselves from the (export their way to growth) globalist mantra they have tied themselves too.
Now is the time ( the perfect time ) to break free from this gold standard, fixed exchange rate type thinking and start to concentrate on domestic consumption more.
There’s now need to export more to collect gold bars to give you more fiscal space within in your own borders. Now you can just do that anyway ever since Nixon moved the world off gold.
The massive problem is Russia provides everybody with what they need to improve their standard of living. Russia gets very little in return all else equal.
Russia gets different coloured bits of paper they can’t use because most countries don’t have what Russia needs and thus Russia hordes these bits of paper. Waiting on countries to develop enough and provide a better a higher standard of products that Russia wants. To improve Russians standard of living.
And no Jeremy rims lambs.
They don’t need To store it in gold either. Which would be just as utterly pointless as hoarding in saving certificates.
As Russia doesn’t need the money or extra interest as it is the monopoly issuer of the rouble and creates roubles at will.
Here: What a FX transaction looks like
https://new-wayland.com/blog/anatomy-of-an-fx-transaction/
Yet, another gold bug myth skewered.
What Russia needs to improve it’s standard of living is to exchange goods and services. Goods and services it can’t produce itself rather than horde saving certificates or gold bars.
The sanctions have made them realise this and brought this into sharp focus. Keep them coming is what I say until Russia fully understands that they would be better off using the skills and real resources They have on Russians rather then sending them abroad.
Keep sending them but not in such huge quantities just enough to get what they need. Run a more balanced trade policy. Move their focus to more domestic consumption and creating even more at home of what Russians need.
Japan has just gone through this process realised they were being had. China is talking about it more and more and Russia needs to follow suit.
So bring it on is what I say.
This would also force other Russian allies to develop quicker and spend far more effort and time on providing top quality , higher standard products and services to Russia. While getting the imports from Russia they need.
Which is what BRICS long term goals are all about.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 16:47 utc | 90

‘But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?’
I am not sure that Putin did wait until 2022. Russia interfered in Syria beginning in 2013. This derailed the ‘Globalists” entire Middle East strategy and was the proximate cause for the Ukraine coup. Since then, at every step of the way, Russia has only responded with the minimal force necessary to block the ‘Globalists” actions.
An alternative question might be: Why is Russia so patient?
Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that the ‘Globalist’ supervised western governments are all fascist dictatorships. And like all dictatorships, as governments they are absolutely incompetent. Over time, without outside interference, the West will destroy itself through economic incompetence, the destruction of their internal systems (economic, industrial, legal, political, social, etc.) and internal opposition. As we witness daily, this destruction has been going on for 40 years, and at an ever accelerating pace.
Perhaps Russia has concluded that their best strategy is to let the West destroy itself, and to only engage when there is no other option, such as Ukraine in 2022.
Unfortunately, the ‘Globalists’ also recognize their own potential demise and have a solution, a global colonial system run out of international institutions. However, the implementation of these plans necessarily includes the destruction of Russia as a state, as Russia is the key road-block. As the West becomes weaker, the ‘Globalists’ are becoming increasingly desperate, and thus their increasingly frantic attempts to draw Russia and the U.S. into direct confrontation. And Russia, as usual, is doing everything possible to avoid such a confrontation and allow the West the time needed to complete its own destruction.

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 14 2025 16:48 utc | 91

Posted by: snake | Jul 14 2025 16:42 utc | 87

The maths are simple.
60-days planned ceasefire in Gaza ongoing genocide.
50-days planned ceasefire deal in long-gone Ukraine as a state.
==> Window = (60 – 50) = 10 days?
Those 10 days shall be key on what’s next.

Posted by: pepe | Jul 14 2025 16:52 utc | 92

bisfab | Jul 14 2025 16:16 utc | 75
Reading my comment to Ralph Conner again I want to amend my words slightly.
I wonder if Putin and his inner circle are increasingly becoming resigned to the fact that the west will never change THEIR ideology(?) so Russia has to roll with the punches and keep head above water until a better solution arises in the near future. Obviously the situation is not just geopolitics but what IF (I’m just spit-balling here) what IF in the coming years as the west/nato/CITY loses steam, (and some of it’s hubris) we see a kinder, gentler rabid dog that actually wants to take over Russia and even China with a larger share of the scraps for it’s host.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 14 2025 16:55 utc | 93

NH | Jul 14 2025 16:29 utc | 78–
On your point 3, my investigations into Russia’s political-econmy under Putin has led me to write several essays about his/its ideological basis that from the outset it’s always been about uplifting all Russians–people centered development–which is socialist in its essence. If you look at the institutions Putin’s created, they are all socialist. When you examine how Russia’s funding its investment and development, it’s a hybrid mixture but heavily socialist. As with China, Russia has allowed and promoted entrepreneurial creativity, some of which is fashioned by the state and thus is socialist. An analysis of what’s being done to try and solve Russia’s demographic problems shows a socio-psychological approach that’s heavily dependent on the socialist development of the economy and social sphere.
As with any government, you must look at deeds to see if they match the words. Putin’s and the Russian government’s deeds clarify what their fundamental ideology is, and it’s no coincidence that the Russian Communist Party supports the vast majority of Putin’s initiatives because they have a socialist basis, and I would add they also have a basic Christian, Islamic, and Buddhist nature too. The aim of the Russian state is to promote the wellbeing of all, not just the wellbeing of a tiny elite as in Neoliberal dominated nations.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jul 14 2025 17:00 utc | 94

For me the core Western ideology means: we are the supreme rulers of this world, we’ve built it and we’re technologically, economically, socially etc. far ahead of the non-Western parts of the world. We have to bring our superior way of life to the poor souls who are not able to do what we have done. And so on…
Now, if Putin thinks that Russia’s ideology is the same or on the same level, well, then so be it but it also means that I (and a lot of others) have been mistaken when thinking that Russia is any different.
Sure, there’s greed and other egomaniac interests as a motivation but this is not an ideology. The ideology is Western supremacy.
What am I missing? Or did I just interpret this wrong?

Posted by: Zet | Jul 14 2025 17:07 utc | 95

b – greed
two scents – spite
psychohistorian – hubris
Sun of Alabama – They simply weren’t ready to push back. They were on their knees.
30 years is a blink of an eye and they were on their knees after Jeffery Sachs shock therapy and nearly lost everything as it was being sold off Jeffery Sachs style.
It was Putin that floated the rouble. To stop Russia from bleeding out under the old fixed exchange rate regime.
It’s incredible to me what Putin has achieved to be able to push back after 30 short years. Which is nothing, nobody and I mean nobody thought it could be done in such a short space of time.
Now he has exposed what the West is really up to to the world via diplomatic circles that led to BRICS.
He has created very strong alliances on the chess board where it matters. Pushing strongly for a multi polar world.
While building up Russian forces on the quiet in every region to be able to now push back.
All within 30 years ffs.
If Russia had attempted any of that 20 years ago. They would have been defeated they simply were not ready. They were not ready internally and didn’t have the strong alliances abroad that they needed.
The project isn’t finished. Infact, it’s just getting started. Putin played the long game beautifully.Of course there would be bumps on the road along the way.
They need to move away from exporting their way to growth. When they do that , the project will be near completion. That will take time probably another 30 years.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 14 2025 17:07 utc | 96

Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 14 2025 16:48 utc | 90
Great comment. I fully agree. As far as “Western dermo-cracy” goes, it’s Coke or Pepsi. Go Russia! I hope they can keep it to a simmer as much as possible. I don’t really want it to boil over.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 14 2025 17:08 utc | 97

Tom Pfotzer | Jul 14 2025 16:39 utc | 85
Thank you for agreeing to at least some of my thoughts on this situation Tom.
I agree with India’s and Iran’s need for independence but how do we reconcile the many reports of Iran allowing China to sell them AD systems and the Beidou Signalling/monitoring software package and other defensive items?
I LOVE what Russia is doing right now militarily/economically/diplomatically but there is more to this country and leader that meets the eye.

Posted by: bisfab | Jul 14 2025 17:09 utc | 98

“But why did it take Putin and Russia until 2022 to accept the consequences of this insight?”
The US was never going to leave eastern Syria or Al-Thanf. Covid mandates always were about next level societal control. Cornel West never endorsed Trump and the person stating that admitted he made it up. How long will that take?
Eventually everybody is occasionally wrong. The question is rather to what amount in the overall picture.
Putin’s supposed wrong insight in what the enemies of the “Russian identity” drive made little to no difference to the outcome. Except for the Cornel West lie, I don’t hold any judgement mistakes against B. Nobody is perfect. Some (incorrect) assertions also seem to come from a desire to stay positive and hopeful because that’s what keeps us going after all. I think the same goes for Putin.

Posted by: xor | Jul 14 2025 17:09 utc | 99

Putin is a smart man and you can be sure he knew this long before he felt able to say it. Fellow has an autistic memory and definitely remembers all the Marxism he was taught.
Regardless of his private opinions, his public statements (and policy actions) are ALWAYS a faithful reflection of the balance of forces inside the Kremlin. When the oligarchs were powerful, he sounded naive and idealistic; now the sovereignists are powerful, he sounds more realistic.
It is the Kremlin political equation that has changed (largely thanks to western actions!), and the change in his public speech is an echo of it.
Should be noted that public Putin still retains the old “naive opinions” on a range of other issues like Palestine, liberal economics, history of the USSR, etc. which indicates the oligarch faction, though diminished, is not dead.

Posted by: LongT1me | Jul 14 2025 17:17 utc | 100