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July 30, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-170
News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …
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How about a laugh to day. Posted by: Dogon priest | Jul 30 2025 14:39 utc | 1 @ Dogon priest | Jul 30 2025 14:39 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 14:58 utc | 2 Sitting on a fence there’s a modi who’s getting 25% + secondary Posted by: Newbie | Jul 30 2025 15:01 utc | 3 India loves it when external states tell them what to do. I’m sure in particular they will like the superior tone and talk about buying inferior American weaponry. It remains a little unclear to me if the Maerican establishment are deliberately accelerating the collapse but it sure as shit looks like it. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 15:20 utc | 4 https://www.rt.com/news/622226-rt-larger-audience-cnn-clapper/ Posted by: Eighthman | Jul 30 2025 15:27 utc | 5 pale face, forked tongue….. Posted by: denk | Jul 30 2025 15:38 utc | 6 ng 8K-resolution meditation app Posted by: ld | Jul 30 2025 15:40 utc | 7 10 days from now is going to be fun get your popcorn out. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 16:21 utc | 8
https://x.com/IranObserver0/status/1950591582736122004 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 16:21 utc | 9 Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 15:20 utc | 4 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 16:25 utc | 10 If your geopolitical stick is … Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 16:32 utc | 11 Trump also noted that India “always bought a vast majority of their military equipment from Russia” and is the largest buyer of Russian energy resources along with China. Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 16:54 utc | 12 Assembly of Israelli drones was done in Iran itself. Posted by: WMG | Jul 30 2025 16:58 utc | 13 Daniella Weiss affirms that palestinians must “re-settle” palestinians to make israeli settlements in Gaza possible. Posted by: WMG | Jul 30 2025 17:01 utc | 14 Russia is likely to become less relevant as the century goes on. They have horrible demographics and even by conservative estimates have lost over 500k troops in Ukraine so far. Some put them over a million. Their life expectancy is very low. They have big problems with drugs and alcohol. Posted by: Mmm Ice Cream So BAD | Jul 30 2025 17:02 utc | 15 Speaking of forked tongues, India is still selling weapons to Izzyhell. Modi has the Turkish mutt as a role model. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 30 2025 17:13 utc | 16 Speaking of forked tongues, India is still selling weapons to Izzyhell. Modi has the Turkish mutt as a role model. Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jul 30 2025 17:14 utc | 17 Ruh roh. Looks like the Orange Blowhard, King Trumptard the first, emperor of mankind isnt going to get those Panama ports. Best go cry in a corner about it, and get used to the losses as a lot more are coming. Im sure he can cover his ass by shouting a lot, talking big and waving his hands around. The cultists eat that shit up. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 17:24 utc | 18
Can you do everyone a solid and get us a somewhat less imbecilic propagandist to take your place for this shift? Thanks for your attention to this matter. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jul 30 2025 17:26 utc | 19 @ Mmm Ice Cream So BAD | Jul 30 2025 17:02 utc | 15 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 17:28 utc | 20 Highly recommended interview of Ray McGovern on the Duran: Posted by: juliania | Jul 30 2025 17:54 utc | 21 Tucker Carlson’s interview with Richard Werner (available here https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2025/07/debt-rattle-july-30-2025/) is the best treatise on macro-economics that I have ever come across. Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 30 2025 17:58 utc | 22 Understatement … Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 18:06 utc | 23 @3 Posted by: Fred777 | Jul 30 2025 18:21 utc | 24 Adam Tooze continues his Chartbook Series on world finance https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/chartbook-401-the-dollar-system-in?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=192845&post_id=169614598&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2rylou&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
There seems to be some notion of a relatively painless transition to a multipolar world economy, with some equivalent of bankruptcy on the part of the US government limiting the pain to the US (the whole population is apparently presumed to deserve whatever they get.) But it seems to me to be utopian. The collapse of the dollar system will be a world wide depression. That is, unless some other system is devised to replace this one. Until then, economic crisis is how capitalism resets itself. Capitalism/imperialism doesn’t fall, no matter how rotten, it has to be pushed. The thing is, so far as I know, on the world scale the vision is a fair capitalism, with the whole world opened up to fair trade. And markets are to be assigned an ever greater role in the operations of the world system, as opposed to hegemony? I have the reservation that I don’t think capitalism can be fair, equitable, steady. It’s normal operations are unequal, inequitable, erratic. Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 30 2025 18:28 utc | 25 Republicans are busy “gerrymandering” the election districts to ensure the victory in the next midterms. Posted by: WMG | Jul 30 2025 18:48 utc | 26
1. If we go by 20th century history, it was global war that accompanied the big transitions – scary in our current age of nuclear and other WMDs – so that the strategy of a transition that focuses on preventing global war makes perfect sense and, i would argue, characterizes the BRICS strategy generally; Posted by: NH | Jul 30 2025 18:49 utc | 27 Republicans in the US are busy “gerrymandering” (re-districting) the election districts to ensure the victory in the next midterms. There is a chance that the Democrats will never win an US election again. Posted by: WMG | Jul 30 2025 18:51 utc | 28 @ WMG | Jul 30 2025 18:51 utc | 28 Posted by: malenkov | Jul 30 2025 19:03 utc | 29 Trump also noted that India “always bought a vast majority of their military equipment from Russia” and is the largest buyer of Russian energy resources along with China. Posted by: teri | Jul 30 2025 19:13 utc | 30 Volcano erupts following the massive earthquake in Kamchatka:
https://tass.com/emergencies/1996047 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 19:16 utc | 31 Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 30 2025 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 19:20 utc | 32 Think BRICS w/ Anastasia G. and Pepe Escobar Posted by: NH | Jul 30 2025 19:20 utc | 33 Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 30 2025 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 19:27 utc | 34 Opera singer Maksakova-Igenbergs put on international wanted list
🤔 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 19:28 utc | 35
After seeing this, I considered posting it on social media, but quickly realized this would have more people on alert because Putler’s coming, than it would go to show that western MSM is a lost cause. So I don’t buy it. Posted by: persiflo | Jul 30 2025 19:28 utc | 36 Russia Shoots Down US Scheme to Buy Out Commander Islands https://sputnikglobe.com/20250729/russia-shoots-down-us-scheme-to-buy-out-commander-islands—1122508207.html
Only goes to show what a patently ridiculous notion Kissengeria is. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 19:32 utc | 37
It’s an interesting point, but I suspect you offloaded at least part of the credit allocation problem here – “must be regulated”. Perhaps the Marxists would agree? Posted by: persiflo | Jul 30 2025 19:34 utc | 38 Posted by: NH | Jul 30 2025 19:20 utc | 33 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 19:38 utc | 39 Posted by: NH | Jul 30 2025 19:20 utc | 33 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 19:48 utc | 40 Posted by: persiflo | Jul 30 2025 19:34 utc | 38 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 19:51 utc | 41 Wonder if anyone has pointed out to DJT that currency is not entirely interchangeable with money? And that the MMT-ers deliberately obfuscate the differences, using the term “money” when they are actually talking about “currency”? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 19:59 utc | 42 Iran, Russia and China are moving up in the world.
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https://tinyurl.com/n32k65su Posted by: denk | Jul 30 2025 20:24 utc | 44 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 19:59 utc | 42 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 20:29 utc | 45 @ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 20:29 utc | 45 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 20:42 utc | 46 Ford government agrees to fee cancelling $100M deal with Elon Musk’s Starlink https://globalnews.ca/news/11310110/ontario-cancels-starlink-contract/
Musk’s cheap junk cluttering up the Northern quadrants was a really bad idea, anyway. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 30 2025 20:43 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 19:59 utc | 42 Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 21:12 utc | 48 @ Sun Of Alabama | Jul 30 2025 21:12 utc | 48 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 30 2025 21:22 utc | 49 I was just on Twitter and I saw a post by lawyer Robert Barnes who is old school MAGA and a genuine populist. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 30 2025 22:47 utc | 50 @ dh-mtl | Jul 30 2025 17:58 utc | 22 Posted by: james | Jul 30 2025 23:16 utc | 51 It’s a pain in the ass to sort the MMT debate out. While I kind of appreciate SoA’s stubbornness, he still sucks at teaching. The above lesson for Jeremy consists of 17 double-spaced paragraphs of slight, ending in “I won’t help you” while giving no primary information. At least there’s a link, plus a confession by SoA himself that he was as dumb as bag of spanners for twenty years, until he found he couldn’t disprove MMT. He then found comfort in the fact that some others couldn’t do as well. Good for him I guess. For us, it’s borderline trolling. Posted by: persiflo | Jul 31 2025 0:13 utc | 52 The more people know about this the better, so as a follow up, or rather a pre-presentation to my link at 21, this has appeared in public from Consortium News and for two hours I have been watching and listening. I remember a newsletter we used to get before there were computers — Irving Stone(?) This is that. It’s titled “Russiagate Decomposed” but is really so much more than that. It’s now on youtube, so here’s the link: Posted by: juliania | Jul 31 2025 0:17 utc | 53 @52 persiflo Posted by: Ornot | Jul 31 2025 0:59 utc | 54 Posted by: juliania | Jul 31 2025 0:17 utc | 53 Posted by: jayc | Jul 31 2025 3:13 utc | 55 Pale faced, forked tongue…
Im no ‘human rights activist’ by a long shot, if Im aware of such monstrosity why not the G7 ,those self anointed guardian of humanity ? Posted by: denk | Jul 31 2025 4:06 utc | 56 Since Putin’s 20+ years in power, there’s been a negative net loss in regional influence. The central Asian countries and those in the Caucasus have certainly drifted away. Same thing for influence in the Middle East – poof. Posted by: Owl Xerxes | Jul 31 2025 4:12 utc | 57 MOATS, with George Galloway Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 31 2025 4:20 utc | 58 3 Newbie,4 Doctor Eleven. Listen to Jyotishma Mudiar with Pro. Mohammad Marandi on India Global Left, July 30 (“Israel’s War, US Lies and Iran’s Stand on the IAEA”). Jyotishma speaks in depth on effect of US 26% penalty tariff on India and India/China quickly developing normalization related to U.S.trade policy. India, with the highest number of poor population on earth must protect it’s agricultural sector so must keep its tariffs, while US wants to flood it with highly subsidized, highly mechanized agricultural products while arm-twisting it into buying US weapons. This section on India of the podcast begins at 45:55. RE: 15% Tariffs on our biggest Allies ? Posted by: exile | Jul 31 2025 6:06 utc | 60 What was nice bout the Tucker Carlson-Richard Werner interview is that it pretty much explains what we know but in a way that can prove it. It’s not just some theorising. Posted by: Down South | Jul 31 2025 6:35 utc | 61 Russia to spend $1.1 trillion preparing for ‘upcoming large-scale war,’ Ukraine’s intel chief says Posted by: 4637 | Jul 31 2025 9:45 utc | 62 Russia is a paper tiger that is spending a lot but the huge inefficiencies in its military forces and how they operate means that most of that spending will result in a 0.25X smaller impact. And this is before we even take into account how much of that investment will be effectively stolen by the putrid corruption infecting all areas of Russian society. Posted by: Product Guy | Jul 31 2025 10:16 utc | 63
Not long ago were were told over and over that the American consumers paid every tariff … but it’s amazing how quickly this has shifted over to tariffs being imposed on foreigners. Posted by: Tel | Jul 31 2025 10:17 utc | 64 Trump again threatening India and calling their economy ‘dead’. India will buckle under the pressure, just watch. Donald is already making deals with its rival, Pakistan. Posted by: bored | Jul 31 2025 10:48 utc | 65 After seeing this, I considered posting it on social media, but quickly realized this would have more people on alert because Putler’s coming, than it would go to show that western MSM is a lost cause. So I don’t buy it. Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jul 31 2025 10:53 utc | 66 Russia is bankrupting itself for for no quantifiable gain. Posted by: Ok Woodpecker | Jul 31 2025 11:06 utc | 67
I have always pushed back against Sun Of Alabama’s evangelization of MMT as a tool to MAGA, so keep my bias in mind. And before you get the wrong idea, I’m not some gold or silver bug either. I’m a very boring fiat money as a medium of exchange person.
The article writer I quoted was being extremely polite. Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jul 31 2025 11:53 utc | 68 What about the natural Resources the have? And plus the Resource in Donbas? I don’t think they will be bankrupt soon. Unfortunately… Posted by: Road Ok | Jul 31 2025 13:01 utc | 69 “Owl Xerxes” Posted by: Fred777 | Jul 31 2025 13:28 utc | 70 As the US strikes an oil deal with Pakistan: Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 14:20 utc | 71 Picture a top Chinese delegate visiting the Isle of Wight, off the coast of Southern England – to talk about arming it with missiles, and going to war with England to defend it against English aggression, and you have the madness that is this, or even swap out the Isle of Wight for Hawaii and the US – do you think Washington would allow a top Chinese delegate to visit Hawaii – or to allow China to arm Hawaii. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 14:24 utc | 72 An idle threat from Trump due toa bruised ego. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 14:32 utc | 73 Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jul 31 2025 11:53 utc | 68 Posted by: dh-mtl | Jul 31 2025 14:32 utc | 74 SMO not going well for the ukrops, cope trolls out in force. Posted by: malenkov | Jul 31 2025 14:41 utc | 75 China’s trade .vs. U.S. trade. Linked below, this 9-minute vid from a first-class presenter says: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jul 31 2025 15:34 utc | 76 The Guardian quoting Arnaud Bertrand …who wld have thought! Posted by: Tom | Jul 31 2025 15:42 utc | 77 Thank you, jayc at Jul 31 2025 3:13 utc | 55. I. F. Stone exactly! Posted by: juliania | Jul 31 2025 17:05 utc | 78
video Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 31 2025 17:25 utc | 79 People in Donbas receive water twice a week: russians don’t have money to dig Posted by: Green Eye Of A Demon | Jul 31 2025 18:05 utc | 80 I think we are getting closer to the day that, any transaction on a larger scale is scrutinised by the British government before it goes ahead, or doesn’t go ahead. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:08 utc | 81 Its not just foreign tech companies that the Zionist Starmer is censoring. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:10 utc | 82 Draconian Britain is well underway – watch out – say the wrong word and its off to prison with you. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:26 utc | 83 Der Starmer’s clever Zionistic reformulation of the Nuremberg laws will not avail him in Nuremberg II[Grounds of Principle TBD]. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 18:40 utc | 84 This is what happens when you waste huge amounts of public cash in the private sector. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:47 utc | 85 A new vaccine shoot is on the cards in the UK. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 18:51 utc | 86 The `balance of probabilities’, that a Genocidal Zionist “has caused, or is likely to cause, harassment, alarm or distress to” certain persons will be ignored. Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 18:51 utc | 87 Hush little baby, Don’t say a word Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 18:57 utc | 88 Once again the right wing Jews, in this iteration the Zionists, have once again committed ethic suicide Posted by: bronte sister | Jul 31 2025 19:00 utc | 89 Peter Kyle is typical of the brain dead yes men and women that now haunt the political corridors Britain. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 31 2025 19:11 utc | 90 I watched the Tucker Carlson/Richard Werner interview and hated the injection of advertisements but was glad to see the Werner content….credit creation is private but should be public, IMO. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2025 19:38 utc | 91 To be honest I expect India will side with the US and the UK. I constantly see Indian people online posturing how flexible their country is but to me it has always looked like just another post-colonial state that still has massive ties to the US and Britain and cannot really conduct its own foreign policy when the US threatens them. Posted by: steward of Gondor | Jul 31 2025 20:25 utc | 92 Republicofscotland – the UK has been going full fascist for quite a while now. Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 31 2025 21:32 utc | 93 Posted by: tobias cole | Jul 31 2025 21:32 utc | 96 My loathing for Sir Keir Starmer is limited by two things. First, accepting a knighthood is officially acknowledging you’re part of the ruling class. Open villainy is more admirable than hypocritical deceit. Second, the dude is in England and what else would you expect from a bunch of monarchists? Posted by: steven t johnson | Jul 31 2025 22:23 utc | 94 The muse is upon me! Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 22:25 utc | 95 Posted by: I forgot | Jul 31 2025 22:25 utc | 98 Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 22:36 utc | 96 More made up shit reported on at Reuters
Is this setting Iran up for another bombing? Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 31 2025 22:48 utc | 97 CTV News Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 22:54 utc | 98 vox.com Posted by: Laurence | Jul 31 2025 23:14 utc | 99 Apologies, as I haven’t yet read back to my last post. I strongly recommend Nima’s interview with Alex Krainer, particularly the last half of the conversation. The question comes up concerning the learning curve in the US, which took me right back to Watergate. The learning curve there unfolded in a dramatic way as elements of the coverup came up on all the televised events that finally led to Nixon’s resignation. No, he was never punished, but that was how he was forced from office. And citizens had learned what was happening in the ‘deep state’ of that time, with elements of appropriate government supervision televised day by day, week by week. Posted by: juliania | Aug 1 2025 0:11 utc | 100 |
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