Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
July 17, 2025
Open (Neither Ukraine Nor Palestine) Thread 2025-158

News & views not related to the wars in Ukraine and Palestine …

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Thanks for your comment, Sunny RB at | Jul 18 2025 14:43 utc | 194. I’ve been privileged to notice the huge changes modernization has made in my home country, New Zealand down through the years. On a first trip back, television had come, vastly changing the communities I knew as a child. Later it was big corporations taking over the phone company’s antiquated systems, revamping them to be on a par with the rest of the world. And finally, it has been computers. So, much of my pedestrian determinations follow my own obstinacy — I love to return to my remembered childhood enjoyments.

Posted by: juliania | Jul 18 2025 18:01 utc | 201

Interesting stuff, looks like she was just an escort, looking to it the big time.
“”Here’s Melania when Zampolli first brought her to NYC.
This is the apartment in Union Square where he set her up, and her photographer roommate, Matthew Arabian.
Melania knew Epstein before she knew Trump.
This is Paolo Zampolli, her former escort agent & good friend of Epstein & Trump.
He’s the one who took Melania to Ghislaine’s party where she met Trump.
He’s also the one who secured her Einstein visa
Zampolli came from a wealthy Milanese family
Took over his father’s toy company & sold it to the notorious billionaire Silvio Berlusconi, who went on to become prime minister.
His other good friend & buddy, John Casablancas, told him to come to NYC and work in the modeling biz.
I did just change the settings on this, having lots of outsiders sharing this and don’t need my name all over the internet feel free to copy and paste it but things are getting much more concerning as many were banned yesterday, Post like this create more friend request and I am full as well.
They are trying to suppress the truth.””

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 18 2025 18:13 utc | 202

Posted by: Femi | Jul 18 2025 17:35 utc | 199

Do you argue that Russia should abandon its existential war against the Collective West to fight on behalf of the Palestinians abandoned by the 400 or so million Collective Arabs or the 1.4 billion Muslims?

“Either we have a Charter and are bound by it, or we are free to do whatever we like …” https://un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-180474/
Summary of Russian-Israeli relations https://tass.com/politics/1112015
Yes, actually.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 18 2025 18:43 utc | 203

Transmania Tribunal in Scotland
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-board-and-dr-bd6

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 18 2025 20:43 utc | 204

Transmania Tribunal in Scotland
https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6
205 corrected.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 18 2025 20:47 utc | 205

2 years ago Russia had 8% interest rate. Today it is 20%.
2 years ago Russia had growing sectors. Today none is growing and new loans for investments are exactly 0.
2 years ago Russia had funds of national wellbeing, which true purpose was war chest. This year it is gone.
2 years ago Russia had hardware stocks from USSR. Today it is gone.
2 years ago nobody in Russia talked about bad economy. Today in Russia all officials openly talk about dire situation in economy.
Here is question for you. Whos words do you want to hear to believe it is bad with economy?

Posted by: dreamrpg | Jul 18 2025 21:15 utc | 206

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 18 2025 11:46 utc | 105
Thank you psychohistorian and Tom. Iwas caught flat-footed.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 18 2025 21:43 utc | 207

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jul 17 2025 22:50 utc | 110
Assange said that the wikileaks coded language was not for child traffiking, that ir was worse, selling weapons to terrorists.

Posted by: UWDude | Jul 18 2025 23:02 utc | 208

Patrick Lawrence put out a fine piece about Mamdani histrionics:
https://scheerpost.com/2025/07/18/patrick-lawrence-sun-valley-vs-queensbridge/
The discomfort of NY Dims scheming to block Zohran Mamdani from becoming the next mayor, just because that’s what voters want, is the next-best hit of schadenfreude (for those who savor that sort of thing), almost as good as Epstein’s hand popping out of his grave. Lawrence is beside himself with joyful silliness and bleak prognostication:

It’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s… it’s a political candidate who says what he means and what he means reflects the realities facing Americans in this, the third decade of our troubled new century.

An old online friend with the handle BigB contributed this pertinent comment, out at ScheerPost:

In essence, what the Democratic Party in NY is doing is holding a gun to their collective head(s) and shouting at anyone considering voting for Mandami, “take one more step to the Left and I’ll shoot!”
The problem for Democrats is simple. If the NY Democratic Party does indeed blow its brains out instead of shifting back to the Left, the national party may just pick up that gun and put it under their collective chins. While it may seem hard to believe that a major political party in the USA would gleefully commit suicide instead of, gasp! actually go back to reflecting and honoring the views of the majority of their constituents, most of us in the know have foreseen this for three decades. The dems will burn their own house to the ground before they will become progressive again. Mandami may just be giving them the gasoline and matches to do so.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 18 2025 23:38 utc | 209

“…ethnic cleansing, which Muslims [in Spain] never did…”
https://www.ancient-origins.net/history-important-events/moors-spain-0013798
Vs.
https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/book-reviews/myth-of-the-andalusian-paradise
I suppose the Islamised Moors could hardly send the Iberians back to where they came from, unlike the subsequent conquerors could of the Moors ?
Why would they send away their slaves anyway, and so deny them the opportunity to learn to be human ?
People tend to believe whatever suits them.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 0:24 utc | 210

Spain is littered with Islamo-Christian monuments.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 18 2025 12:47 utc | 191
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JSYK, that’s not a term. Every day, I realize more and more that Christians and Muslims have very little in common.
In the practice of religion, virtually nothing.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 19 2025 1:26 utc | 211

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 0:24 utc | 211
Miration of Eurasian tribes to Iberian Peninsula

AI Overview
Several Eurasian tribes migrated to the Iberian Peninsula, particularly during the Migration Period following the decline of the Roman Empire. These groups included the Suevi, Vandals, and Visigoths, who established distinct kingdoms within Iberia.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 2:10 utc | 212

@212 LoveDonbass
Interesting also is the difference between people when religion did not exist as such, and people in times of religion.
Then there is also the differences created between people by religion itself.
Finally maybe, there is the question of aspect of practice. Does that mean implement beliefs (as in law) or act as if they were so (as in practice towards or on others).
If questioning the difference between demonstrative proclamation and acting in a way that fits with proclaimed religious moral or ethic, then you will likely find that Muslims and Muslims or Christians and Christians often have very little in common also.
Maybe that is the meaning of practice though, to try to perfect, and that being so there is no difference whatsoever, with practice being just practice.
It is possible you just like to tell others how to practice, or that your own vanity and presumption has you (pre?) judging others.
Otherwise, how would you be able to draw such conclusion, one of distinction (lack of commonality) ?

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 2:40 utc | 213

Pale face with forked tongue…
Talisman Sabre 2025, a joint military exercise between the U.S. and 18 allies, began in northern Australia. The drills aim to deter aggression from China in the Asia-Pacific region and demonstrate a united front. The exercise includes testing land-based missile systems and drones, with activities in Papua New Guinea.4 days ago
40000 Troops, 19 Nations: The China Threat Unites U.S. Allies
The Wall Street Journal

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 3:22 utc | 214

@213 Laurence
The Goths are originated as of migrated Scandinavians to (now) Germany, who later migrated south. The Vandals disappeared into Africa and the Suevi were conquered by, or partly merged with, the Goths, if I remember, having a territory in north west Iberia.
The ‘reconquest’ was legitimised by a (single) Gothic line of descent and traditional seat in northwest and northeast. Plus religious authority which sanctified the hundred or two year Gothic rule before Moorish conquest. Other lines of descent during ‘reconquest’ were Frankish/Burgundy and Austrian. As before that was Roman empire (non native mostly), we have to go back to earlier to understand Iberians better. There were ties to North Africa before orientalising influence (Phoenician and Greek) , as well as ‘celtic’ influence (mostly north east but history is not clear) around that time.
Then we are back to neolithic expansion from near east (over many hundreds of years) which merged with early europeans (post iceage refugia) who were hunter gatherers mostly. Kurgan hypothesis still remains hypothesis, early Iberian languages are still being understood.
In short, most of what is publicly presented is very biased or false, much of what is suggested scientifically is very questionable. What is scientifically relatively certain, is a different world altogether, describes a very different picture.
‘Moors’ are something like 15% Arab admix, the Arab pastoral tribal migration, conquest and assumption of rule remains in north Africa, tied in with religion. The ‘reconquest’ was not an absolute in terms of by origin. That goes into philosophy , when is someone what ?
The above is just off the cuff. When you find old stone tools, items from the different periods, it really places you in a different world that is nothing that can be described from a modern perspective. In other words these were worlds and times that were completely their own and nothing to do with what we think now or how we like to describe now, or what people like to use as claim :-/ .
A vaaaaast topic.
It’s late here :-).

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 3:36 utc | 215

Ornot | Jul 19 2025 3:36 utc | 216
I was referring specifically to those `Iberians’ who could have easily been `sent back to where they came from.’

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 3:47 utc | 216

MSNBCMIC with a laughable (paid?) advertisement for Lockheed Martin and its flying boondoggle F-35. Wonder who has Lockheed Stock at the company.
https://web.archive.org/web/20190718155911/https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/f-35-has-freaked-out-iran-and-changed-everything-in-the-middle-east.html
The implication, of course, other than pitching these flying bags of bolts, is that Israel was indeed able to fly anywhere at will and undetected over Iran during the “12 Day War” – an allegation not backed up by any actual sightings or reliable military analysts I’ve seen.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 3:56 utc | 217

Ornot | Jul 19 2025 2:40 utc | 214
It is possible you just like to tell others how to practice, or that your own vanity and presumption has you (pre?) judging others?
Posted by: …
The abyss yawns back.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 3:57 utc | 218

Wow, what a fiesta !
—————
10-7-25
US Launches Massive Air Force Drills With Eye on Pacific …
Newsweek
https://www.newsweek.com › us-air-force-department-l…
10 Jul 2025 — The Pacific-focused exercise involved 12000 personnel and more than 350 aircraft.
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11-7-25
US-ROK-Japan stage air exercise in show of force against …
NK News
https://www.nknews.org › 2025/07 › us-rok-japan-stag…
8 days ago — The United States, South Korea and Japan carried out a trilateral air exercise on Friday featuring two U.S. B-52H nuclear-capable strategic
—————-
13-7-25
Exercise Talisman Sabre commenced.

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 4:00 utc | 219

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 3:56 utc | 218
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webarchive doesnt support MOA
My work around ..
use tinyurl to compress the webarchive link.

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 4:03 utc | 220

Legend had it that The United States has only been at peace for 16 years of its 246-year history.
Thats bollocks !
The US has been at war all of its 249 miserable years, !
During those ‘peaceful years’, the gringo were either prepping for war, playing war games , engaging in regime change or terrorism !
Thats all folks !

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 4:32 utc | 221

Otherwise, how would you be able to draw such conclusion, one of distinction (lack of commonality) ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 2:40 utc | 214
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Because I was a Christian (across multiple denominations) for many years before reverting to Islam.
First-hand personal experience always trumps Googling Wikipedia.
God, Gamma males are so exhausting. Nonetheless, I am sure you guys fill some evolutionary purpose… somehow.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 19 2025 4:37 utc | 222

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 4:03 utc | 221
It works if you copy the un-hyperlinked (not in red/orange) part into your browser address bar or select it, right click, and hit “Go to….[the link you’ve highlighted]”.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 4:41 utc | 223

IOW, THIS part (bracketed by —- on either side) of the non-hyperlinked portion of the ‘vestigial’ URL:
—-https://web.archive.org/web/20190718155911/https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/18/f-35-has-freaked-out-iran-and-changed-everything-in-the-middle-east.html—-

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 4:43 utc | 224

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 4:41 utc | 224
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Thanks !

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 4:45 utc | 225

Otherwise, how would you be able to draw such conclusion, one of distinction (lack of commonality) ?
Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 2:40 utc | 214
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Because I was a Christian (across multiple denominations) for many years before reverting to Islam.

And that conclusion was:

Every day, I realize more and more that Christians and Muslims have very little in common.
In the practice of religion, virtually nothing

/snicker
One size fits all. Why LoveDonbass may have nothing in common with either.
And what that implies.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 4:56 utc | 226

Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
BRICS media, think tanks convene to promote BRICS cooperation, new vision for Global South
https://english.news.cn/20250718/a4b43e3a96804fdb8f3071e41019e27a/c.html
3:34 minute video summary

Over 250 representatives from nearly 150 media outlets, think tanks, government agencies, and regional organizations across 36 countries gathered in Rio de Janeiro on Wednesday for the BRICS Media and Think Tank Forum, an event focusing on how to advance BRICS cooperation and strengthen solidarity across the Global South.

I think I heard Pepe Escobar being at this event and expect to hear more about it from him….a growing challenge to the MSM

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 5:03 utc | 227

The Register has a great posting up with the title
If you want a picture of the future, imagine humans checking AI didn’t make a mistake – forever
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/16/if_you_want_a_picture/
Its turtles all the way down…./s

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 5:40 utc | 228

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 5:40 utc | 229
Thanks for that (uncharacteristically short) Register article. And here’s my irony to add. Frequent MOA poster c1ue is also a regular at Register tech articles. And “he” is predictive logic “AI” large language model/Turing machine “commentary” – yes, you heard it here first and I’ll dig in more later. c1ue is an early adopter/implementer agentic response bot and I’ll show my receipts once I’ve compiled them.
To all: Please be patient. It’s not easy to sort or sift through the noise that they “flood the zone” with or the SEO (“optimization” being the key word in the acronym).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 5:53 utc | 229

ZH has a posting up with the title
“A Treasonous Conspiracy” – DNI Gabbard Exposes Obama At Center Of Trump ‘Russia Hoax’
it has a link at the end
https://www.dni.gov/index.php/newsroom/press-releases/press-releases-2025/4086-pr-15-25
TITLE
NEW EVIDENCE OF OBAMA ADMINISTRATION CONSPIRACY TO SUBVERT PRESIDENT TRUMP’S 2016 VICTORY AND PRESIDENCY
Maybe not a “bawdy” diversion but another straw on the camel’s back called empire that is consuming itself like the Ouroboros

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 6:18 utc | 230

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 5:40 utc | 229

The likelihood that a moderately sophisticated agent will successfully progress from goal setting to outcome appears to roughly the same as the probability you’ll see a unicorn.
Quelle surprise: The only possible remediation remains a healthy input of human intelligence. Rather than performing tasks directly, humans need to monitor agents’ outputs for accuracy, instruct them to repeat a task when they fail, or direct them to tackle the next task when they meet spec.
This is the AI-era version of human quality control at the end of a production line on which most things are automated, leaving humans to pick out defective products.

Those three paragraphs loosely describe the Twitter algorithm-user relationship. The `defective products’, however can be left on the production line to eventually fall into some form of the legendary `bit bucket’, /dev/zero.
I do recall a time before the algorithm, watching somebody scroll up and down for fifteen minutes trying to find that one tweet they wanted to show me.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 7:00 utc | 231

The Globe and Mail
Why First Nations are clashing with Ontario and Ottawa over bills aimed at speeding up megaprojects
21 hours ago
And what you won’t see is: Why speed up megaprojects?

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 19 2025 7:49 utc | 232

@114 20 scientific papers. Wow. All independently researched no doubt.
Read this, for starters:
American Holocaust by David Stannard. You’ll even learn some history, and how serious scholarship works.

Posted by: j99 | Jul 19 2025 7:53 utc | 233

fyi
The chip war and the fight over rare earth
A tale of two systems reacting to chokehold moves
Hua Bin, Jul 19, 2025
A lot of people may be surprised that the biggest market mover for the past few months is not Nvidia, the darling of the race for AI supremacy. The honor goes to a once obscure Nevada-based mining company called MP Materials. While Nvidia stock rose from $136 to $174 year to date, MP Materials went from $16 to $60.
The reason for the meteoric rise is simple – MP Materials is the sole US producer of rare earth, minerals critical to modern high tech production from EV, drone, robotics, wind turbine, semiconductor, to military weaponry.
While its production is miniscule compared to Chinese rare earth miners and its refining capabilities are quite limited, MP Materials has just attracted $400 million investment from Pentagon, which is now its largest shareholder.
The unprecedented US government investment in a private mining company is in reaction to China’s flexing its rare earth dominance in the face of the tariff and tech wars Trump and Biden have waged against Beijing.
US industries, especially the military industrial complex, are running scared that their reliance on Chinese rare earth to power high tech production and military applications are increasingly under stress in the intensifying geopolitical and geoeconomic contests between the two countries.
[Read on]
https://huabinoliver.substack.com/p/the-chip-war-and-the-fight-over-rare

Posted by: Don Firineach | Jul 19 2025 8:51 utc | 234

Trump having a go at BRICS again – he must really fear the group.
“President Donald Trump has claimed that BRICS is “fading out fast,” while warning that any attempts by the group to challenge the US dollar will be met with a harsh economic backlash.
Speaking at the White House on Friday, Trump denounced what he called BRICS’ attempts to weaken the dollar. “They wanted to try and take over the dollar, the dominance of the dollar… And I said, anybody that’s in the BRICS consortium of nations, we’re going to tariff you 10%.”
Trump stressed that Washington will spare no effort to preserve the dollar’s hegemony. “The reserve currency is so important. You know, if we lost that, that would be like losing a World War.”
Washington “can never let anyone play games,” Trump said, adding that he has decided to “hit them [BRICS] very, very hard.” “If they ever really form in a meaningful way, it will end very quickly,” ”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 19 2025 10:31 utc | 235

Col Larry Wilkerson & Amb Chas Freeman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2Oarv9DrqQ
Superb global overview/analysis of the dangerously careening clown-car that is the US empire of chaos.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 19 2025 10:34 utc | 236

@SunnyRunny, I replied to you at 198; the comment only appeared a bit later. /jic you haven’t seen it.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 19 2025 11:16 utc | 237

So yeah, Trump has accomplished the MAIN goals set out for his presidency in record time..
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 18 2025 1:22 utc | 135
ChatGPT wholeheartedly agrees with you
Greatest president the us ever had this side of a wheelchair. Huge, great success for nation of ameristan!
Huuuge accomplishments
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-most-successful-president-after-six-months-since-fdr-2101113
P.S. TDS to the left, Skynet/terminator to the right , offended by wheelchair jokes bottom of the line. FIGHT!

Posted by: Newbie | Jul 19 2025 12:07 utc | 238

@217 Laurence
Well they (Goths) were more or less, replaced by other external conquerors (Arab/Moor), who were then replaced by yet other conquerors (part Goth Frankish Austrian).
History of the little people. At some point conquerors/invaders either decimate local population and replace with oown, or merge so much as to be accepted as local or original. The question of what counts as what is very complex, is rarely agreed upon.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 13:25 utc | 239

The ECB’s Strategic Review: A Betrayal of Europe’s Workers
Exc:
The ECB’s newly released 2025 Strategic Review confirms what trade unions have long warned: this (ECB) neutrality is a myth, and the Bank’s policies continue to tilt the economic playing field in favour of capital and against labour.
The Strategic Review does little to challenge the harmful mythology inherited from the 1970s: that inflation is fundamentally a wage problem. This narrative has been thoroughly debunked.
Europe’s trade unions are clear: we will not accept more sacrifices from those who have already given too much. We call for a genuine shift in monetary policy – one that empowers, not weakens, collective bargaining. One that recognises structural risks like climate shocks and corporate greed. One that supports, rather than stifles, the just transition and quality job creation.
The ECB’s credibility will not be restored by repeating the mistakes of the past. It will be earned by protecting Europe’s future: a fairer economy, built on decent work, sustainable investment, and shared prosperity. The Strategic Review may be published, but the debate is far from over. Workers demand not neutrality, but justice; not fear of inflation, but bold, coordinated policies that serve the people – not just the markets.
https://www.socialeurope.eu/the-ecbs-strategic-review-a-betrayal-of-europes-workers

Posted by: JB | Jul 19 2025 14:19 utc | 240

@Ornot | Sat, 19 Jul 2025 13:25:00 GMT | 240

History of the little people.

This.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 19 2025 14:51 utc | 241

Talisman Saber exercises have been staged every two years since 2005.
A key feature..
Rehearsing blockade of Malacca Straits !
Redneck maga
Thats where we get the chicom by their balls

Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 17:59 utc | 242

@223 LoveDonbass
However you appear to avoid describing what you mean when you say ‘practice’. Clearly the rites and so forth are very different, this goes without saying though and so I must assume you mean ‘real world’ practice.
So let’s jump over to Sohaib, a gulfie Mossad agent or some-such to you, and try to criticise his call to people of Islam (I presume as a Muslim) :
“22 Arab countries with a population of 450 million, money, oil, gold, clans, tribes, notables, property and boasting, they cannot bring in a single bag of flour and they have enough means of pressure but they prefer inaction, silence and live with the principle of security and safety. May God keep our country and homeland safe and their people of their own skin, religion and Arabism, the 2 million are being killed, starved and dying of hunger while they boast of their humiliation and subservience. As an Arab Muslim and Palestinian and not as a journalist, I say to you, O nation of luxury and shame, shame on you until the Day of Judgment. How will you meet God on the Day of Judgment?
A woman cried out for help from Al
-Mu’tasim, so he sent her a great army. A woman and free women in Syria two days ago cried out for help, oppressed, so thousands of tribes rushed to her aid.
Will you not rush to bring in a bag of flour for the people of Gaza? And you do not have money, notables, oil and borders?
Shame on you…
✍🏻Suhaib Al-Masalma
A church delegation arrived in Gaza yesterday to check on the church and the victims. All wounded Christians will be evacuated immediately for treatment outside Gaza and food and drink will be brought in for the remaining Christians in Gaza.
All the mosques in Gaza were destroyed and no one moved a finger. Young and old died of hunger and no one moved.
There was great international anger towards the Israelis because of the targeting of the church in Gaza the day before yesterday. Trump rebuked Netanyahu and the latter apologized.
It was as if the whole world was saying to the Israeli occupation (There are 2 million Muslims in Gaza and you cannot kill anyone else)”
How do you explain this apparent contradiction to your own observation, if I understood it properly, that Islam ‘practices what it preaches’ ? I don’t say it doesn’t btw, though there are clearly ‘incongruities’. Calling him a gulfie Mossad agent doesn’t count, given he appears to be widely respected as authentic by people of the region …

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 18:48 utc | 243

Tom_Q_Collins, Norwegian
It doesn’t look like anyone thinks they are under fire

Posted by: will moon | Jul 19 2025 19:40 utc | 244

And it’s one, two, three,
What are we fighting for?
Dunno, just get on the plane,
Next stop is
Y-o-o-kraine

Pepe Escobar: https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/07/18/and-its-one-two-three-what-are-we-fighting-for-natos-wars/

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jul 19 2025 19:48 utc | 245

“ To all: Please be patient.…”
Tom_Q_Collins @5:53
You know how to build expectations lol, I’ll wait with bated breath. Hopefully all goes well in your endeavours and you will be able to present a fascinating story
If true, I suggest this is one of the most important stories of the year

Posted by: will moon | Jul 19 2025 20:35 utc | 246

I’ve yet to read above comments, but I want to recommend the following conversation between Danny Haiphong and Professor Mahommed Marandi. It’s long, but I found great relief in the manner of it, the quiet way both discuss important issues. So perhaps, leave off the coffee, and grab a cup of tea instead. Enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q3uWOb64ds

Posted by: juliania | Jul 19 2025 22:37 utc | 247

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 19 2025 5:53 utc | 230
i too am curious to see more on your position here tom.. i am sure c1ue will be too!

Posted by: james | Jul 19 2025 23:36 utc | 248

For Too Scents – lots to unpack in this article, they are getting ready to loot….
KKR: Don’t Hedge Risk Assets with Government Bonds’
The alternatives manager has shifted its view on the impact of U.S. national debt.
https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/kkr-dont-hedge-risk-assets-government-bonds

Posted by: Exile | Jul 20 2025 1:17 utc | 249

Rehearsing blockade of Malacca Straits !
Redneck maga
Thats where we get the chicom by their balls
Posted by: denk | Jul 19 2025 17:59 utc | 243
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MInd you, this the same gang who has been sending warships to SCS, TW ST every other day, to ‘enforce
Freedom of Navigation !’
Pale faced, forked tongue !

Posted by: denk | Jul 20 2025 2:18 utc | 250

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 13:25 utc | 240

@217 Laurence
Well they (Goths) were more or less, replaced by …

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 0:24 utc | 211

I suppose the Islamised Moors could hardly send the Iberians back to where they came from, unlike the subsequent conquerors could of the Moors ?

Never mind your noises. The point was: They most certainly could have “sent the Iberians back to where they came from.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 2:29 utc | 251

@252 Laurence
The Goths were not Iberians, you would have to study earlier population to understand what ‘Iberian’ represents in original ethnic terms. It is complex with various differences across the peninsula depending on period,
Iberia as a name was introduced by Greeks, or possibly from local toponym used by the Greeks, around 400BC ,..before Goths in other words. It first implied an area around Huelva, then southern peninsula, then all peninsula…apparently.
Reasonable estimates are that Goths made up maybe 2.5% of the population during their presence in Iberia. There is therefore a certain small amount of Gothic admixture to Iberian in subsequent population, depending on region also.
What the Goths did when the Moors conquered ?
There is no clear picture, but at least nobility largely migrated out of range (northwest or now france) . You would think that military and some population would accompany ?
https://www.spainthenandnow.com/spanish-history/visigoths-in-spain
The Moors did not reach now Germany, so could not send them back to where they came from . Otherwise though, I expect a large proportion were expelled or fled, and we don’t know what happened to those that remained. For sure, there are some (a few) Germanic featured people from long local lineage, who are probably from that time, in Iberia and North Africa. There are villages known for such, for example.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 3:35 utc | 252

Posted by: will moon | Jul 19 2025 20:35 utc | 247
First, I’ve reached the point where I think that it’s entirely plausible that NUMEROUS MoA commenters are “AI” – either that or just sockpuppet city. b knows his stuff, but it’s just not possible even for a so-called tech savvy person, even with the help of Cloudflare rejection of inauthentic actor backing, to fully censor bullshit.
Secondly, I am *not* accusing c1ue of being a purely autonomous LLM bot. Not in the least. But review my early dialog with him for examples, he makes it clear that there is something to be solved. Maybe a person testing an LLM model much earlier than commercially available.
Thirdly, c1ue is a real person. I don’t doubt that. I don’t question it. The unknown is who this agent is and how it operates. For example, I’ve literally never seen a better explanation of the 2008 financial crisis than from c1ue. It was entirely non-partisan. Which differs markedly from his other extreme-partisan commentary here.
Fourthly, I also belive c1ue is a real person due to his consistently well argued comments against the “green” shit pushed so hard by American/western liberals – obviously in service to corporate competitors to business interests pursued by c1ue.
Fifthly and finally, I think c1ue is playing a game here. Nobody with that presented intellect and, more importantly, pretend or unarticulated CV (a stronger version of a “resume”) would have such wildly different and mutually contradictory versions of reality. It’s like “AI” hallucination. There’s a guy out there who knows what to feed into various platforms which generate convincing sounding responses.
Anyone know an easy way to search past MoA commentary? Google has made it very difficult and Yandex is much worse due to obvious reasons of focus and capability.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 4:25 utc | 253

OH, and LOL. This is the big one. ANY and ALL potential responses from c1ue to these comments will reference “TDS” and be heavily critical of Democrats with literally zero… EVER … criticism of Republicans to include Trump/MAGA.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 4:27 utc | 254

Trump’s Concentration Camps Are Not New to the U.S
Margaret Kimberley, BAR Executive Editor and Senior Columnist
16 Jul 2025
Outrage over ICE raids rings hollow while 2 million languish in prisons. America has always had concentration camps. We just reserve our anger for the ones with TV cameras.
Donald Trump is perhaps unique among modern presidents in his determination to fulfill his very retrograde vision for the United States. He goes beyond the cajoling and arm twisting that other presidents were known for, and dispenses with precedent, the Congress and the law itself in order to realize a key part of his vision, getting as many Global South immigrants out of the U.S. as he possibly can.
He was quite serious about enacting a mass deportation policy. Immigrants attempting to follow the law and legalize their status are set upon in courtrooms by masked agents of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and are taken to detention facilities. Farm workers, construction workers and others are also hunted down in the businesses that employ them. Inevitably, U.S. citizens and other legal residents are also snatched up by ICE. The administration is demanding 3,000 arrests per day, an unrealistic number, and consequently, any attempt to reach it is a recipe for abuse and illegal acts.
In New York City, a youth baseball coach intervened when ICE agents questioned children in his charge. In Los Angeles, a phalanx of ICE officers descended on MacArthur Park in a search for new victims. No warrants are produced and Tom Homan, the official carrying out the effort, claims that the constitutional right to due process is now null and void.
In Florida, immigrants have been detained in a facility which is literally called Alligator Alcatraz. They are denied contact with family and attorneys and held in unsanitary conditions, served inedible food, and left without contact with the outside world.
Governor Ron DeSantis and the Department of Homeland Security play a convenient game of pointing fingers at one another as both avoid accountability regarding conditions in the facility and haven’t relented even as members of Congress condemned its very existence during a recent tour.
Inevitably, a term has reemerged that has come to epitomize the inhumane treatment of marginalized people by those who are more powerful and willing to oppress and exploit them for their own nefarious ends. Suddenly, everyone in opposition to the mass deportation plan is speaking of “concentration camps.” The cruelty cannot be ignored, and the meaning of this terminology should not become the focus of debate. But there is a danger in practicing U.S. exceptionalism by selectively forgetting that concentration camps are not new in this country.
The U.S. holds 2 million people behind bars, more than any other country, and has led with that dubious distinction for decades. Those people are held in horrendous conditions. In a Virginia prison, men set themselves on fire in a desperate effort to relieve their plight.
Prisoners provide slave labor for states and for corporations. Prisons have no air conditioning in extreme heat and lag in providing medical care. The U.S. also has the most draconian sentences in the world and police forces across the country who kill indiscriminately and keep prisons full of people who are a profit center for others.
Concentration camps existed as indigenous people were forced from their homes in the Trail of Tears and during other atrocities. Their lands were stolen to make way for a slavery based plantation economy, which was replete with conditions such as torture, starvation, and inhumane working conditions that, today, would be akin to those in concentration camps. Japanese Americans were held in camps against their will during World War II.
The current moment is one that requires telling the truth about U.S. history. Exceptionalist rhetoric claiming that Trump has brought the nation to a new and unprecedented low point is dangerous nonsense.
The damage Trump has done will outlive his presidency. When he departs, his successor will probably enjoy a political honeymoon, regardless of the actions taken by that person. Relief that the orange man is gone will likely encourage the tendency for wishful thinking and selective amnesia, making the next concentration camp all the more likely to be created.
If people are so upset about governmental cruelty, they can start by dismantling the mass incarceration state that exists throughout the country. That would be excellent preparation for closing down Alligator Alcatraz. But there is little interest in doing so. There is full support, however, for keeping thousands of other Black and Brown people locked away in the carceral state. They exist in the background and most people in the country want them to stay that way. Outrage is reserved only when the oppression is more visible and is carried out by the villain of the day.
Margaret Kimberley is the author of Prejudential: Black America and the Presidents . You can support her work on Patreon and also find it on the Twitter , Bluesky , and Telegram platforms. She can be reached via email at margaret.kimberley@blackagendareport.com.
https://www.blackagendareport.com/trumps-concentration-camps-are-not-new-us

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 4:36 utc | 255

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 4:36 utc | 256
BAR is the shit. They have always told it like it is. Too bad it’s too “woke” for most of the wannabe leftists and socialists who frequent MoA.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 4:39 utc | 256

Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
BMW to launch first China-based IT R&D center, eyes AI-powered innovation
https://english.news.cn/20250719/226bca5f324947108469c2752591cee7/c.html
quotes

The new entity, BMW (Nanjing) Information Technology Co., Ltd., will be located in Nanjing’s Jianye District, east China’s Jiangsu Province, and operated as an independent legal entity. It will focus on cutting-edge fields such as artificial intelligence (AI), industrial digital twins and intelligent manufacturing, BMW said.
Once operational, the Nanjing center is set to be BMW’s largest IT R&D hub in Asia. It is designed to strengthen the automaker’s global production, sales, and after-sales systems through digital solutions rooted in China’s rapidly evolving tech landscape.
“China not only leads the world in the application of digital technologies, but also demonstrates remarkable vitality in building a thriving ecosystem for digital innovation,” said Franz Decker, president and CEO of BMW Brilliance Automotive Ltd., during the signing ceremony with Nanjing’s Jianye District government.
“With the establishment of this new company, we are accelerating BMW’s local digital core capabilities,” Decker said. “By joining forces with China’s innovation ecosystem, we aim to propel BMW Group’s digital transformation both in China and globally.”
BMW has been increasingly integrating AI into its operations in China. In 2024, the automaker’s proprietary AI tool “JoyCode” achieved a 30 percent assisted code generation rate, boosting delivery efficiency by the same margin — a result the company said reflects the global value of Chinese innovation.
The German company is also deepening collaborations with China’s leading tech firms. It is co-developing advanced driver-assistance systems tailored to China’s road conditions with autonomous driving startup Momenta, building a custom AI engine with Alibaba based on the Tongyi large language model and integrating DeepSeek’s foundation models into BMW’s AI-powered personal assistant.
BMW said that these efforts are part of a broader push to establish a future-facing smart mobility ecosystem in China, spanning key technologies such as intelligent driving systems, smart cockpits and interactive AI.

“We are moving into a new generation of cars and a new generation of solutions,” Decker said. “China obviously is at the forefront of a lot of innovations in IT, and Nanjing is our gateway to this innovation here in China.”
Nanjing has long-standing economic ties with Germany. Data from the local commerce department showed that 304 German-funded projects, including those by Siemens and Bosch, have taken root in the city, with the actual use of foreign investment totaling 2.17 billion U.S. dollars.
“We do believe that free trade is a basis for generating growth and prosperity all over the world,” Decker said. “So, having China and Germany working together is the basis of having a successful development for both of them.”
“Cooperation is the key for future development,” he added.

The unspoken part is that the key cooperation is with China and not the West….think about that, Western companies are funding R&D in China.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 4:54 utc | 257

Xinhuanet has a posting up with the title
Xi meets Australian PM in Beijing
The interesting part for me was

Albanese said that Australia values its relations with China and looks forward to working with the Chinese side to treat each other as equals, seek common ground while shelving differences, and engage in mutually beneficial cooperation to advance bilateral ties.
Noting that Australia adheres to the one-China policy and does not support “Taiwan independence,” he said Australia stands ready to maintain dialogue and exchanges with China at all levels to enhance mutual trust.
Albanese said China’s development is vital to Australia, and Australia has never sought to decouple from the Chinese economy. He added that Australia remains committed to advancing practical cooperation in green industries, climate change response, and medical technology for mutual benefit, while also strengthening people-to-people exchanges in tourism, education and sports to deepen mutual understanding.
Australia will work with China to uphold multilateralism, jointly safeguard free trade and WTO rules, and provide greater stability and certainty for the international community, he said, adding that Australia supports China in hosting the APEC Economic Leaders’ Meeting in 2026.

Sounds like less of a empire poodle than normal, eh?

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 4:58 utc | 258

The Register has a posting up with the title
Large Hadron Collider data hints at explanation for why everything [matter] exists
https://www.theregister.com/2025/07/17/cern_lhc_matter_antimatter/
I rail here about how little we know but try to stay on the edge of that myself
quotes

That existential statement is necessary because scientists think that the Big Bang produced equal quantities of matter and antimatter, and when the two meet both are annihilated.
This raises the thorny question of Why We Are Here, given that a universe comprised of equal quantities of matter and antimatter could produce a profound cosmic nothingness.

As CERN explained in March: “Particles are known to have identical mass and opposite charges with respect to their antimatter partners. However, when particles transform or decay into other particles, for example as occurs when an atomic nucleus undergoes radioactive decay, CP violation causes a crack in this mirror-like symmetry.”
When the symmetry cracks, “The effect can manifest itself in a difference between the rates at which particles and their antimatter counterparts decay into lighter particles.”
Scientists had observed CP violation in mesons, but not baryons. The LHC made it possible to make more of the latter – both matter and antimatter – and to observe them as they decayed, which gave scientists their first look at baryon matter–antimatter asymmetry and led to the conclusion that decaying baryons produce a little more matter than antimatter.

On Wednesday, the journal Nature published the same paper, signifying a peer review process found the original work was sound.
So now we have a hint about why the universe contains more matter than antimatter – and therefore why you are here reading this story.
However the paper also notes that the matter–antimatter asymmetry it describes “is vastly smaller than what astronomical observations indicate, presenting an important challenge to the Standard Model and hinting at the presence of further sources of CP violation.”
Finding those sources, the authors wrote, “may open new avenues for the discovery of physics beyond the Standard Model.”
Which is perhaps even more of an existential matter than this paper.

Remember that this matter stuff is about 5% of the Cosmos we live in and are part of…..it has taken eons of this baron breakdown to make, with other means we don’t have a clue about, the matter of which we are made.
I have said before that hubris is humanities problem and it started with monotheistic religions that professed answers which we know are myths and destroyed the awe we should have towards our place in the universe and the lack of understanding of it.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 5:37 utc | 259

Tom_Q_Collins@4:25
You mentioned Unz recently. He has lost his mind over the expensive chatbot he’s using to fact check and plug his articles. His description of this wondrous chatbot bears some resemblance to your observation of the explanation of 2008 crisis as offered by the poster you mention
Interestingly Tom I had an unusual encounter with him a few weeks ago, after I produced a 1000 words or so, critiquing his “The True History of WW2” which relies heavily on Victor Suvarov’s revisionist “Icebreaker Who started WW2”. The basic premise is that Hitler beat Stalin to punch in launching Barbarossa. Somewhat surprisingly he responded with a few short counter examples
Following Suvarov, Unz has a deadly, colossal Red Army waiting on the border to launch its own offensive that would take it all the way to the Channel where Soviet amphibious tanks would crossover into Britain. I am extremely knowledgeable concerning the Soviet-German conflict and of Soviet doctrine and equipment and was able to offer a strong initial comment with several highly detailed examples which indicated that the Red Army was in very poor shape in 1941 and was also able to provide some counter examples to Suvarov’s claims concerning Soviet equipment and doctrine. I mentioned that Soviet tanks did not have radios at this time and the German tanks did, neither Suvarov nor Unz had thought this critical info important enough to mention lol!
After his initial response I brought the hammer down and offered another 1000 words which, in my opinion and in the opinion of several of his long term commentators completely destroyed Suvarov’s thesis and by extension that of Unz too. He didn’t respond and I found a few days later that I was banned from commentating at the Unz review – free speech for Nazis, racists but not for me
The point of this waffle is, I realised he had ran my answers through the expensive bot to fact check me. I guess the bot had told him that the factual info was more correct than that of Suvarov’s work and his own, lol
The point is the fancy bot had already checked his work and had given his article a high score for accuracy and contextual integrity and it was complete tosh, a tissue of out of context distortions easily disproved by a knowledgeable person
These fancy bots can paint a detailed and convincing picture from one viewpoint only they can’t yet synthesize complex counter example.s If you are knowledgeable concerning economics and 2008 you should be able to tease out the foundations of the bot’s knowledge – even if the actual poster is human

Posted by: will moon | Jul 20 2025 6:20 utc | 260

Sounds like less of a empire poodle than normal, eh?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 4:58 utc | 259
Sounds like Albo’s asking to be summoned to the US for a ‘White House visit’, from where he will return in a somewhat less jubilant mood, having being told in no uncertain terms that Australia’s future is to be a garrison state for the US War on China and that Australia’s trade concerns are of no concern to the Empire.

Posted by: barrybarrybarry | Jul 20 2025 6:32 utc | 261

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 3:35 utc | 253

Iberia as a name was introduced by Greeks, or possibly from local toponym used by the Greeks, around 400BC ,..bef

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 19 2025 0:24 utc | 211
I suppose the Islamised Moors could hardly send the Iberians back to where they came from

“AI Overview
The term “Moors” generally refers to the Muslim populations of North Africa and the Iberian Peninsula during the medieval period.
Historical Context:
The Moors’ presence in the Iberian Peninsula (modern-day Spain and Portugal) dates back to the Muslim invasion in 711 CE.”
So we are not texting about 400 BC. Get bent, troll.

The Middle East Forum was founded in 1990 by Daniel Pipes as an independent non-profit organization with the mission of “promoting American interests”. In 2002, the MEF advocated for strong U.S. ties with Turkey, Israel, and other pro-American governments in the region, a stable price for oil, human rights, and peaceful conflict resolutions.[5] It publishes the Middle East Quarterly and runs various advocacy programs.[6] Pipes said in 2003 that “militant Islam is the problem and moderate Islam is the answer”,[7] but the left-leaning Center for American Progress and the Southern Poverty Law Center have criticized the MEF for spreading anti-Islamic messages.[8]
Activities
Support for Tommy Robinson

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 6:42 utc | 262

BAR is the shit. They have always told it like it is. Too bad it’s too “woke” for most
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jul 20 2025 4:39 utc | 257
Tough Titties if anyone thinks BAR or I am too woke, they do tell it like it is. They were primarily responsible for exposing the charade that was Aid to Haiti and continue to do so.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 7:57 utc | 263

Sounds like Albo’s asking to be summoned to the US for a ‘White House visit’
Posted by: barrybarrybarry | Jul 20 2025 6:32 utc | 262
The former Australian prime minister Scott Morrison will testify at a US House panel hearing next week about countering China’s “economic coercion against democracies,” the committee said on Friday.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/jul/19/scott-morrison-to-testify-before-us-house-panel-on-china
Bet you London to a brick that Albanese will resonate with the Australian public rather than Morrison.

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 8:07 utc | 264

Albanese said that Australia values its relations with China and looks forward to working with the Chinese side to treat each other as equals, seek common ground while shelving differences, and engage in mutually beneficial cooperation to advance bilateral ties.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 4:58 utc | 259
A puclic opinion survey reported on a few days ago:
A majority of Australians say it is more important to have strong economic ties with China than with the United States, according to new research from the Washington-based Pew Research Centre.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-16/pew-research-shows-global-view-of-china-improves-as-us-worsens/105536860

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 8:15 utc | 265

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 4:58 utc | 259
A public opinion survey reported on a few days ago.
A majority of Australians say it is more important to have strong economic ties with China than with the United States, according to new research from the Washington-based Pew Research Centre.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-07-16/pew-research-shows-global-view-of-china-improves-as-us-worsens/105536860

Posted by: Menz | Jul 20 2025 8:18 utc | 266

I have said before that hubris is humanities problem and it started with monotheistic religions that professed answers which we know are myths and destroyed the awe we should have towards our place in the universe and the lack of understanding of it.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 20 2025 5:37 utc | 260
I am fine with ‘hubris is humanity’s problem’, psychohistorian, but you will have to explain better how ‘the awe we should have towards our place in the universe and the lack of understanding of it’ is the fault of religion, and in particular what you call ‘monotheistic’ religion. I don’t name my faith as responsible for such as you describe, and I’ll state my own thesis: that rather religions of all shapes and sizes are expressions of that commendable awe, and have as a main purpose to eliminate (or at least diminish) hubris.
I look forward to a deep discussion with you on this subject, here or during the next open forum today. (I’m up early to see if they will let me in on NBC coverage of the Open in 10 minutes. Yesterday’s allowance was eminently enjoyable; thanks NBC.)

Posted by: juliania | Jul 20 2025 10:52 utc | 267

New Zealand governments both current and previous have clearly and publicly stated our friendship with the government and people of China. And maybe to celebrate that fact a Chinese frigate sailing down the Tasman Sea fired off a skyrocket while our Minister of Foreign Affairs Winston Peters was visiting Beijing! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Chinese_naval_exercises_in_the_Tasman_Sea
There appear to have been no negative consequences to NZ from the US. So maybe Albo is aware of that and mindful of the poll cited by Menz | Jul 20 2025 8:18 utc | 266 felt courageous enough to speak in support of Oz’s interests.

Posted by: tucenz | Jul 20 2025 11:35 utc | 268

To buttress my opinion I will give a quotation from Dostoievski’s ‘The Brothers Karamazov’:

… He did not stop on the porch either, but went quickly down; his soul, filled up with rapture, thirsted for freedom, space, breath. The dome of heaven, full of soft, shining stars, stretched vast and fathomless above him. The Milky Way ran in two pale streams from the zenith to the horizon. The fresh, motionless, still night enfolded the earth. The white towers and golden domes of the cathedral were sparkling against the sapphire sky. The gorgeous autumn flowers, in the beds around the house, were slumbering till morning. The quietness of earth blended with the quietness of the heavens. The mystery of earth was touching the mystery of the heavens.
Alyosha stood, gazed, and suddenly fell down upon the earth like scythed wheat. He did not know why he embraced it. He could not have told why he longed so irresistibly to kiss it, to kiss it all. But he kissed it weeping, sobbing and watering it with his tears, and vowing passionately to love it, to love it for ever and ever. “Water the earth with the tears of your joy and love those tears,” echoed in his soul. [Words from his teacher, Father Zosima.]
What was he weeping over?
Oh! in his rapture he was weeping even over those stars, which were shining to him from the abyss of space, and “he [yay– the Open is on!] was not ashamed of that ecstasy.” It was as if threads from all those innumerable worlds of God all met in his soul, and it was trembling all over “in contact with other worlds.” He longed to forgive everyone and for everything, and to beg forgiveness. Oh, not for himself, but for all men, for all and for everything. “And others are praying for me too,” echoed again in his soul. But with every instant he felt clearly and as it were, tangibly, that something firm and unshakable in that vault of heaven had entered into his soul. It was as though some idea had seized the sovereignty of his mind — and it was for all his life and for ever and ever. He had fallen on the earth a weak boy, but he rose up a resolute champion, and he knew and felt it suddenly at the very minute of his ecstasy. And never, never, all his life long, could Alyosha forget that minute.
“Some one visited my soul in that hour,” he used to say afterwards, with implicit faith in his words.
Within three days he left the monastery in accordance with the words of his elder, who had bidden him “sojourn in the world.”
[translation mostly from Constance Garrett with a few words changed.]

Posted by: juliania | Jul 20 2025 11:45 utc | 269

@will moon | Sun, 20 Jul 2025 06:20:00 GMT | 261

I found a few days later that I was banned from commentating at the Unz review – free speech for Nazis, racists but not for me

The paradigmatic certainty with which you discount the Suvorov hypothesis goes some way to show that you are the free speech problem there, not Ron Unz. I bet you have never heard of Bernd Schwipper, too.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 20 2025 12:22 utc | 270

Posted by: Fit Rice | Jul 20 2025 12:22 utc | 271
You don’t know what you are talking about.
US/Turkey/Israel has no chance to hold onto those countries against Russia/China/Iran.

Posted by: canuk | Jul 20 2025 12:39 utc | 271

“…discount the Suvarov hypothesis “
persiflo@12:22
If I can back my opinions up with empirical data surely I’m allowed to discount any hypothesis? Is this method unacceptable to you? If so the implications are profound
The article wasn’t using Scwipper, Unz used Suvarov. His work has many flaws and I pointed some of them out to Unz. Suvarov is useful to Nazi apologists but his presentation of the Soviet Army is questionable at best and downright scurrilous at worst. Omitting to tell his readers that Soviet tanks were radioless, while Nazi tanks had radios as a standard feature is a sin of omission of the first rank. Indeed Unz began his reply to me stressing the massive problem radioless tanks faced against tanks with radios yet had made no mention of it in the 14000 words in his article. People who want to know why the Soviet Army performed so poorly in 41-42 and are not told this fact will struggle to grasp the course of events in the right context. I was the first poster to mention this even though there were maybe 400-500 previous comments
On the thread there ia considerable amount of homocidal racist bile, maybe a 100 of the thousand comments would induce lengthy jail sentences in Germany were ,we are told Moon of Alabama resides. So I find it interesting that you think “paradigmatic certainty” is a good reason to be silenced, rather than promoting homocidal racism or even cardinal sins of omission a la Unz and Suvarov. But each to their own persiflo

Posted by: will moon | Jul 20 2025 15:42 utc | 272

@263 Laurence
If you want a counter argument then where better to start than :
“The Middle East Forum was founded in 1990…etc. ” … not that I knew or needed to bother to look up source :-/. You cannot base conclusion on source though, it is ‘indicative’ only.
Same for j99 above, I was going to post a detailed reply but figured maybe some don’t deserve. The promotion material is online everywhere for his book… anyone might try a critique
https://www.historiography-project.com/jhrchives/v13/v13n3p43_Stannard.html
for a sense of balance or just to move beyond cheer leading ?
Similarly, if you want to argue definitions (of poster or content), go right ahead.
Currently what you are saying (or AI’ing) is completely incoherent. We talked of Iberians, the definition being searched was that, not Moors.
Finally, giving others orders comes across as fascist or dictatorial.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 15:56 utc | 273

@271 Persiflo
“the free speech problem…”
Will moon was denied freedom of speech on the site by being banned by those who run/own it.
In a larger context, of course this does not silence will moon, but for the purpose of understanding a system, isolating an event to the immediate and relevant setting is worthy of contemplation ?
In a private setting, freedom of speech (audience) might be denied to those who:
-Are purposefully disruptive of the speech of others. How can you have free speech when someone is shouting, or when a thread is made too long to bother to read because of off topic or spam ?
-Use the topic or the sincerity of others to manufacture personal argument, to divert or claim attention for themselves by underhand means (misquoting, insulting, adding clearly false or invented interpretion). This also purposefully interrupts speech and audience.
Etc.
These are practical realities, anyone who has used forums much will understand what I am saying I think.
That is to say, the argument is not about freedom of speech at Unz (which is clearly quite unrestrained) but why will moon would be banned from speaking for simply making a considered, honest, and apparently factual statement.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 16:30 utc | 274

@Ornot 275

That is to say, the argument is not about freedom of speech at Unz (which is clearly quite unrestrained) but why will moon would be banned from speaking for simply making a considered, honest, and apparently factual statement.

My take here is that the “considered, honest, and apparently factual statement” is rammed into a discussion which concerns itself with other hypothesis. That is plainly impolite, whereby the problem comes with the presentation. I can say that because I am not at all convinced that the Suvorov hypothesis is wrong, after reading and actually meeting Dr. Schwipper (who had an argument about the radios as well).
Let’s not get into the details here. I’m not qualified to represent the whole body of Schwipper’s work. Just see that aggrandizing statements like the one by will moon can do a disservice to discussion of critical topics under heavy fog of propaganda.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 20 2025 17:57 utc | 275

Studies have to be made how Russia was able to make both Armenia and Azerbaijan hate and distance from them.
Russia traded all its soft power in Eurasia for four Ukranian oblasts.
Absolute braindead. America and nato won the game. Pathetic from Russia, lmfao.

Posted by: Fit Rice | Jul 20 2025 19:30 utc | 276

It is not proven but there are already signs that Russia is in a very tough spot. The loss of Syria, loss of Armenia, confrontation with the Azeris, no support for Iran simply because they cannot meaningfully do so (not enough equipment for their own war in Ukraine), no real way to guarantee the alliance with China will hold, the EU preparing for a war, new members in NATO such as Sweden and Finland, escalations in the Baltic, possibility to escalate in the Black Sea, Serbia becoming more and more pro-Western, Turkey who will most probably side with the West. And this is just the external threats.
The picture seems pretty grim for Russia and only pro-RU people do not see it. To be honest, I see no surprises here. Just look at the last 200 years of Russian history and you will see that it was almost always grim and tragic.

Posted by: Bing Of Rarachir | Jul 20 2025 19:40 utc | 277

@276 persiflo
I have no idea which hypothesis has standing at all. I mean zero idea. The paradigm I presented was not over which was more accurate but that a forum (or comments) are understood to be primarily to allow debate or expansion of a particular topic.
That one theory, if correctly presented (and I am only assuming will moon was considered and honest in his approach) is suppressed by banning or deleting posts, does not serve credibility to the method of reasoning of holders of an opposing theory.
How are truths or conclusions to be deduced without debate, criticism and questioning ?
Where you might understand presentation to signify the accuracy of a theory, which can be debated and ultimately discredited if conversation is left open, I am instead looking at presentation from the point of view of if a theory is worthy enough to be debated (in the sense that the provider of the theory is sincere, and reasonable in manner) and not just ‘wiped’ out of the way, which would be what I consider impolite.
Granted, there are often very subtle agendas at play that opposing sides to any argument might be aware of, or at least imagine are attempted to be introduced by the other. Even those might be allowed to play out or be discussed and argued, in the name of discovery or as example of freedom of idea.
On the other hand I could quite imagine a moderator having no tolerance for certain approaches due to already having a strong sense of what is being promoted, why and how, knowing the the kind of end result to expect, from hard experience.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 21:20 utc | 278

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 20 2025 15:56 utc | 274

Currently what you are saying (or AI’ing) is completely incoherent. We talked of Iberians, the definition being searched was that, not Moors.

How it began:

https://www.meforum.org/middle-east-quarterly/book-reviews/myth-of-the-andalusian-paradise
I suppose the Islamised Moors could hardly send the Iberians back to where they came from, unlike the subsequent conquerors could of the Moors ?

How it’s going:

Finally, giving others orders comes across as fascist or dictatorial.

Get bent troll.

Posted by: Laurence | Jul 20 2025 22:55 utc | 279

@280 Laurence
Nothing began, I chose the first book review in search that criticised idealistic portrayal of Islamic Iberia. Point.
It doesn’t surprise me at all that it was a right leaning site, why should you take that as endorsement or as a reason to denigrate the book ?
The idea of contrast and argument appears new to you.
Another, the Stannard critique, you don’t figure use of past atrocity for political or career gain as degrading ?
That idealisation and exageration creates instant dismissal by large parts of society, so erasing recognition, exempting it ?
But you are ahead of yourself, like so many others, hitting senselessly on an imagined target while refusing any objective debate.
What is too sad is to see try to mess up the Palestine thread to get your kick.
Just below low.
Bye.

Posted by: Ornot | Jul 21 2025 0:17 utc | 280

..Get bent troll.
Posted by: dingbat | Jul 20 2025 22:55 utc | 280
That prompts me to ask – was the return of PeterAU1 a fleeting blessing?

Posted by: tucenz | Jul 21 2025 0:25 utc | 281

..Get bent troll.
Posted by: dingbat | Jul 20 2025 22:55 utc | 280
That prompts me to ask – was the return of PeterAU1 a fleeting blessing?

Posted by: tucenz | Jul 21 2025 0:25 utc | 282

Ornot, I am not judging will moon was right to be banned. I prefer if no one has to be banned. But as I learned here from experience, it sometimes has to be done. Of course this leaves a grey zone. Aggrandized arguing is in bad style. – This is not about the original question; it is a general point.

Posted by: persiflo | Jul 21 2025 1:20 utc | 283

F*ck me – Mattel have launched a Barbie doll with Type One Diabetes, on the doll there will be a Diabetes monitor that matches her outfits.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 22 2025 8:37 utc | 284

Maybe not a “bawdy” diversion but another straw on the camel’s back called empire that is consuming itself like the Ouroboros
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jul 19 2025 6:18 utc | 231
Your post is the only one popping up here when I searched for “Gabbard” in the hope to learn of some assessments of the bar people. A bit disappointing.
I don’t think this affair is a diversion. Gabbard lost a lot of reputation when she caved in with regard to Iran’s alleged nuclear bomb ambitions. Maybe this was the price she had to pay in order to continue with her work on the deep state machinations, especially the FBI department. Tom Cotton (deep state) now wants to silence her. I personally am not able to stand by shrugging in this controversy. I hope Gabbard wins.
The FBI has plenty of skeletons in its closet. Not just JFK, RFK, MLK. Also 9/11, the Boston Marathon Bombings, the assassination attempts on Trump (these ones I’m quite knowledgeable of) and certainly more. It’s probably easier for Gabbard to go for the FBI instead of the CIA.

Posted by: mk | Jul 22 2025 9:19 utc | 285

mk what did you make of the footage Tom_Q_Collins posted showing a different angle of the “assassination “ attempt?
An “aid” pushing photographers towards the “shooting” to get the shot and the yankee flag being lowered so that it would be in the photo?

Posted by: will moon | Jul 22 2025 9:43 utc | 286