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The EU isn’t about feeding the people anymore.
https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/climate-energy/eu-wants-farming-subsidy-cap-budget-overhaul-draft-shows-2025-07-14/
Posted by: jpc | Jul 17 2025 13:18 utc | 1
The EU and the US doesn’t like the Georgian Dream party in government so they are lining up against Georgia.
“Due to all the chaos engulfing the world, it may have passed your attention the EU is pushing to punish Georgia by cutting it out of the SWIFT payment system. This is a completely insane escalation, motivated by the government refusing to bend to the West’s will. Evil, in fact
https://nitter.poast.org/KitKlarenberg/status/1945822612002599224#m“
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 13:46 utc | 2
Would Pres. Vance be less eager to kill than Pres. Trump?
Posted by: lester | Jul 17 2025 13:49 utc | 3
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 13:46 utc | 2
The AstroTurf colour revolution will continue until the right regime is in place.
The EU and US aren’t your friends Georgia!
Posted by: jpc | Jul 17 2025 14:02 utc | 4
https://youtu.be/G4ti1ZpcmDk?si=jWolBKeS_8mwDZck
The Air India crash summarized …
Posted by: J99 | Jul 17 2025 14:04 utc | 5
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 13:46 utc | 2
The US is also trying to take down the Spanish government.
We want to replace the leftist liberal PM with a rightwing liberal PM.
The problem with Spain is that it is fully against the Israeli genocide of Palestinians, it has recognized Palestine as a state, and will seek recognition of Palestine as a State member of the UN in the next General Assembly meeting in September.
The fact that Sanchez has said he doesn’t want to degrade the welfare state to increase spending in defense (i.e. buy American weapons) doesn’t help much, either.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jul 17 2025 14:10 utc | 6
https://youtu.be/G4ti1ZpcmDk?si=jWolBKeS_8mwDZck
The Air India crash summarized …
Posted by: J99 | Jul 17 2025 14:04 utc | 5
Its about the German crash years ago, not the Air India crash
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 14:12 utc | 7
More Trump budget actions:
Aid cuts passed by Senate
The Senate voted 51 to 48 in favor of Trump’s request to cut $9 billion in spending already approved by Congress.
Most of the cuts are to programs to assist foreign countries suffering from disease, war and natural disasters, but the plan also eliminates all $1.1 billion the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was due to receive over the next two years.
Whatever NPR and PBS were intended to be – today they are National PMC Radio and PMC Broadcasting System.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 14:30 utc | 8
@ c1ue | Jul 17 2025 14:30 utc | 8
no more amy goodman at npr?? over the years, i had grown to dislike her anyway..
Posted by: james | Jul 17 2025 14:45 utc | 9
Regarding Epstein
Trump’s attitude and pronouncements have been inept and insulting to much of his support
base. I don’t know what’s going on in his narcissism-addled mind, but I have some theories on what’s going on around the Epstein file in general. In no particular order:
Theory 1 — the truth is so horrible that it could besmirch not just the perpetrators, not just one or two agencies, but the whole nation (and maybe allies) as utterly and irredeemably depraved to an extent that decent people everywhere would repudiate anything and everything American.
Theory 2 — Epstein-connected information and/or assets are still part of active intel operations and are covered by national security legislation protecting them from being revealed.
Theory 3 — Epstein’s network is just one part of a much vaster blackmail landscape linking hundreds or thousands of influential people and organizations across multiple types and instances of wrongdoing in a giant, complex Mexican stand-off. (E.G. Bill Gates might be part of a financial crime involving senators who had nothing to do with Epstein, and on and on.)
Theory 4 (everyone has heard of this one) — Mossad was running Epstein and the criminal zionist regime is running the Trump administration.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 14:47 utc | 10
Trump has definitely lost the plot:
“I have been speaking to Coca-Cola about using REAL Cane Sugar in Coke in the United States, and they have agreed to do so,” Trump wrote on Truth Social. “I’d like to thank all of those in authority at Coca-Cola. This will be a very good move by them — You’ll see. It’s just better!
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/155419
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:50 utc | 11
Iran is deporting 100s of thousands of Afghan refugees. So the West media is playing the human rights meme to attack Iran with the trope “think of the poor women going back to Afghanistan”.
But who are the Afghans? Millions came when the Taliban came back under Biden and earlier Taliban rule. Those that are refugees include many that were US/West collaborators and that created a ready made source of western terrorists, spies, etc. that are used as agents of the West.
During the Iran decapitation strikes,drone attacks and air defense attacks people inside Iran and on the borders were assisting the US proxy Israel. The result is that refugees are being sent from Iran back to their home countries.
Posted by: Jonny Law | Jul 17 2025 14:53 utc | 12
Pepe Escobar via his Telegram informs us of this escalation:
Human Rights Defenders Ask UN and UNESCO to Protect BRICS Journalists from EU Sanctions
Human rights advocates have sent an appeal to the Secretaries-General of the UN and UNESCO, requesting protection for the rights of the BRICS Journalists Association, which was added to the European Union’s sanctions list.
“I ask you to take action and provide support to uphold and protect the rights of journalists and the BRICS Journalists Association under the current conditions, and to guarantee the right to freedom of speech and civil rights, condemning their persecution,”
— reads the official letter signed by Ivan Melnikov, Director of the Association’s Department for the Protection of Journalists’ Rights.
According to the letter, the association was included in the EU’s sanctions list on July 15, 2025.
“The stated reason for the sanctions is false — there is no actual information about any legal entity, no concrete data whatsoever,”
— Melnikov explains in the letter.
In an interview with RT, the human rights advocate said the EU’s decision reflects a hardline censorship policy within the European Union.
“Unfortunately, they currently practice censorship. And it’s clear they’re publishing all sorts of false information about many Russian journalists, public figures, and politicians,”
— he emphasized.
According to Melnikov, the EU is systematically violating the rights of independent journalists and media from BRICS countries, and the sanctions against a professional journalistic association only reinforce this pattern.
“This is a direct and one of the first attacks by the European Union on BRICS,”
— Melnikov added.
Nothing but Big Brother’s Narrative will be allowed.
During the Iran decapitation strikes,drone attacks and air defense attacks people inside Iran and on the borders were assisting the US proxy Israel. The result is that refugees are being sent from Iran back to their home countries.
Posted by: Jonny Law | Jul 17 2025 14:53 utc | 12
Jonny the clown walks into a bar and repeats the sad cover story of iran’s regime. Afghanis in Iran were not privy to the location of highest ranking members of their security establishment.Who believes these sad lies except in the clown world of intelligence honey pots and “dissident” pens writing propaganda fluff for even fluffier minds? They are compromised for the same exact reason that USSR was compromised: you can’t keep pushing ideological bs from the top while regime insiders are feeding on a feast of corruption. Demoralized corps; hypocrites feigning belief when seeking office in a showy theocracy; genuine nationalist sick and tired of the arab cosplay; … what do the poor afghans have to do with all this?
Posted by: 🤡 | Jul 17 2025 15:13 utc | 14
Posted by: james | Jul 17 2025 14:45 utc | 9
That’s a breath of fresh air.
Posted by: lex talionis | Jul 17 2025 15:16 utc | 15
Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:50 utc | 11
I don’t understand your comment. Cane sugar is much healthier than corn syrup.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 16
@james #9
I don’t know what happens to NPR and PBS and the constellation of “NGOs” surrounding them. CPB does have non-government revenue that supposed is 85% to 90% of its revenue; we will see just how true this is now.
But this is what is interesting about the above article:
But Trump’s Republicans, who hold narrow majorities in the Senate and House, have shown little appetite for resisting his policies since he began his second term in January.
Hmmm – I have already speculated on Trump making a deal with neocons, quid pro quo domestic vs. foreign.
Is this another piece of evidence?
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 17
Jonny Law@12…..at least they are not being sent Alligator Alcatraz….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 18
today they are National PMC Radio and PMC Broadcasting System.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 14:30 utc | 8
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As if you aren’t a fully paid up card carrying PMC member.
Posted by: too scents | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 19
@Figleaf23 #10
Add this one: The Epstein kompromat is so useful that Trump wants it for himself
And add this also: it does not have to be one or the other. It could be multiple choices simultaneously, in different degrees.
Robert Barnes in his talk on the Duran, noted that there are direct links between Ghislaine Maxwell’s father’s kompromat operations, via Ghislaine, to Epstein as well as at least one other such “fixer”.
So this might not even be just Epstein but a multi-decadal/multi-generational cesspool.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:28 utc | 20
@too scents #19
I am a professional in multiple fields in an absolute sense and I have founded/am founding companies, so I am a manager as well.
But PMC doesn’t mean just that you are a professional or that you are a manager.
Given that I quit the corporate world in 2006 and have never been on the government teat – no, can’t say that I am a Western PMC member in the sense I mean: the oligarchical/wannabe oligarchical ruling class in the West.
Nor am I a Western PMC in my views as has been abundantly clear from my posts.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:31 utc | 21
Nor am I a Western PMC in my views as has been abundantly clear from my posts.
Posted by: c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:31 utc | 21
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Ooofph!
Posted by: too scents | Jul 17 2025 15:32 utc | 22
“Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:50 utc | 11
I don’t understand your comment. Cane sugar is much healthier than corn syrup.”
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 16
Corn syrup is fructose so yes, you Are 100% corect.
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 15:33 utc | 23
james@9….true….but no more Tiny Desk Series either…..for audiophiles that really is loss….Andrew Bird set the place a light….and should you have a chance Susan and Derek Trucks, Tedeski Trucks Band phenomenal show….
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jul 17 2025 15:33 utc | 24
re Epstein list – some people just can’t be blackmailed, nor hung out to dry. Vested interests have convinced the Trump faction that it’s best to sweep the whole thing beneath the rug. It all lends some credence to the notion of a deep state.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:43 utc | 25
The Epstein files is driving captain DJT completely berserk.
The Epstein files shall not go away unnoticed, no no… in fact, it will be the final nail in the coffin that sinks and drags the Titanic right down to the bottom of the sea the way you knew it.
Posted by: pepe | Jul 17 2025 15:43 utc | 27
NPR and PBS are racist bloodthirsty hate mongering outlets. Really beyond the pale.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 17 2025 15:48 utc | 28
@ Posted by: lester | Jul 17 2025 13:49 utc | 3
Who knows what Vance gets up to at the Capitol Eyes-Wide-Shut parties, if he attends. His friend, Peter Thiel, likes to bring rent boys to his apartment for chemsex and torture sessions. Thiel has killed at least one person doing this, but like with another rich pervert, Epstein, Thiel may have plenty more skeletons in the closet he left only after he was publicly exposed. Vance, who sublimated his libido into religion and politics, is far more likely to kill when given the power than even Thiel. Trump, as a venal sex monster closer to the Thiel-type, seems to get his kicks from regular old orgasms, rather than from causing suffering to others (the “causing suffering” part is just part and parcel of being bourgeois and holding onto power for him).
Vance, as a religious nut who made the conversion in middle age, is going to be much more willing to impose his personal morality on the rest of us sinners. What Trump does out of convenience or deference to the nuts who made him president, Vance will do because the Pope told him to, or because he really believes that sex and sexuality are sinful and wrong. The adulterer-in-chief certainly doesn’t believe that.
Compare Vance to Louisiana’s former governor, John Bel Edwards, a Democrat and Catholic who – surprise, surprise! – actually banned abortion in the state, along with a Democrat co-conspirator. Imagine how steamed the LA GOP was when the Democrats here robbed them of the opportunity to increase the infant and maternal mortality rates and expel hundreds of OBGYNs from the state, just like they’ve been wanting to do forever. If you ask me, the CNT-FAI didn’t go nearly far enough against the Catholic Church.
Posted by: fnord | Jul 17 2025 15:48 utc | 29
@ c1ue | Jul 17 2025 14:30 utc | 8
no more amy goodman at npr?? over the years, i had grown to dislike her anyway..
Posted by: james | Jul 17 2025 14:45 utc | 9
She’s an agent of Imperialism and Zionists. Her job: obfuscation of their crimes while appearing “left”. That sums up most of the “left” in the US except for many who now just cheer on Imperialist crimes as “progressive” by finding some women or minority or gay to say so.
All the left in the US made their peace with Imperialism in the 80s and cashed in. Some, like Amy, cash in by keeping the show going by pushing the lie that the genocide Dems are a lesser evil.
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 17 2025 15:50 utc | 30
too scents | Jul 17 2025 15:32 utc | 22
But, you did omit the best hilarious part of the
c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:31 utc | 21’s comment:
“I am a professional in multiple fields in an absolute sense and I have founded/am founding companies, so I am a manager as well.”
It deserves a double Ooopfh!
🙂
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 15:51 utc | 31
@Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 16
I don’t understand your comment. Cane sugar is much healthier than corn syrup.
How about avoiding Coke alltogether? How about prioritizing peace over this nonsense?
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 15:54 utc | 32
The Caribbean producers are very proud of their cane sugar. I briefly lived with a sailing man, and he brought a beautifully decorated box of brown sugar cubes as a gift – we had delicious coffee for a while.
By the way, I recommend putting a vanilla bean into a jar of sugar for a special sweetening experience; it accomodates the flavour wonderfully.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:55 utc | 33
@ Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jul 17 2025 15:50 utc | 30
I’m not sure what the geneaology of it all is. I know at least one example, Van Jones, of a guy who started as a leftist (Van Jones was associated with the New Communist Movement in the 80s) and who gradually became a mere liberal. I can’t really think of any others. Chomsky softened significantly on the Democrats, but it’s hard not to look at the national Democratic party (to say nothing of specific state parties) and not see a lesser evil. In the absence of a revolutionary movement, I can’t blame people like Chomsky for asserting that the Democrats are preferable to the Republicans, who have, as we’ve noticed, not let up on the genocide.
But it was a real failure of the left over the last twenty years not to struggle for meaningful electoral reform outside of a few yankee states (Mamdani’s success with ranked choice voting and the political failure of a total ghoul like Cuomo demonstrate exactly what kind of possibilities are opened up when we abandon first past the post). California would be a genuine social democracy on par with the Nordic states if it weren’t for the way the state Democrats there control politics, if they had something like proportional-list representation. Ditto the PNW states. Don’t even get me started on Texas and Louisiana. 99% of the political problems in this country are downstream of the two-party system (and in many states a one-party system) engendered by first past the post and its attendant chronic political cynicism and apathy.
Posted by: fnord | Jul 17 2025 15:55 utc | 34
What are the chances the Catholic church started the ubiquitous pedo parties?
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:59 utc | 35
NPR apparently gets something like 13% of their funding indirectly or directly from the Feds.
As far as Amy goes:
“Not from Corporations or Governments:
Democracy Now! does not accept funding from corporations or government entities”
Some of their reporting is important- her coverage of Morocco and Western Sahara “Africa’s Last Colony” was pretty eye-opening. In Trump 1.0 we had another example of the empire gifting something they don’t own.
Posted by: BillB | Jul 17 2025 16:01 utc | 36
The Chris Hedges Report: Nick Bryant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GK114NGCM8
“Epstein, Donald Trump and sexual blackmail networks.”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:04 utc | 37
What are the chances the Catholic church started the ubiquitous pedo parties?
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:59 utc | 35
Study history my friend-pe3dasrty with young boys was a mainstay in ancient Greece-they had lots of pedo parties:
“As the French philosopher Michel Foucault argued in his book The History of Sexuality, the things we consider acceptable and unacceptable are dictated by our cultures and, as such, are subject to change. Behavior that is tolerated in one part of the world might be completely inexcusable in another place or time period, and this is especially true when it comes to sex.
For a good example, look no further than ancient Greece. The way that Plato, Aristotle, and their contemporaries conceived of human sexuality was fundamentally different from the way we do today. Hellenistic scholars doubt the Greeks would have been able to understand the modern distinction between homosexual and heterosexual relationships. In classical antiquity, people didn’t care if you were attracted to men or women; what mattered was whether you were the dominant (active) or submissive (passive) partner in the bedroom.
Not only did the Greeks have a different way of thinking about sexuality, but they also condoned a type of semi-romantic, semi-sexual relationship that would never be permitted in Western countries today: pederasty. Pederasty, as David Bain summarizes in his review of Die griechische Knabenliebe by Harald Patzer, refers to “the practice whereby young men pursue pubescent boys and enter into short-term relationships with them which expire when the boy becomes a man.” (1)
1. https://bigthink.com/the-past/pederasty-homosexuality-ancient-greece/
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 16:06 utc | 38
Richard Wolff & Michael Hudson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3na0p2hYY
“China takes the lead in global power shift. America’s final days?”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:06 utc | 39
“@Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 16
I don’t understand your comment. Cane sugar is much healthier than corn syrup.
How about avoiding Coke alltogether? How about prioritizing peace over this nonsense?”
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 15:54 utc | 32
Let’s thank Robert Kennedy Jr. for pushing Trump to get this reform done.
I think you should understand this is a step forward.
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 16:09 utc | 40
persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:59 utc | 35
What are the chances that you did it?
Your question is a loaded one.
And, a insidious one.
Can you elaborate a context to understand your question?
Because, notwithstanding the cases of pedophiles in the Catholic Church, why do you connect them with the Epstein case, without even a circumstantial preview?
Multiple webs of pedophiles do not mean they know the issue. Preposterous.
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 16:19 utc | 41
JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 16:06 utc | 39–
There were two important points made during today’s Wolff/Hudson chat–The fact that Trump’s actions have shown how he’s used his self-proclaimed power against himself and Mr. Ford’s appraisal of the US auto business that’s THE example of why Trump’s economic policy is a dark fantasy. Yes, other excellent points were made about the Zionists and their crimes and Trump’s collusion, which is what began the chat. As usual, that chat tops the charts on a weekly basis.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 15:54 utc | 32
#########
That’s America. They will get mRNA vaxxed if only they can have better-tasting soft drinks.
BRAWNO Nation.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 16:40 utc | 43
Kevin Warsh, being touted as Powell‘s replacement, id married to Ron Lauder‘s daughter.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 17 2025 16:40 utc | 44
It’s simple: Trump nixed the tax rate on corps. like Coca-Cola and, in exchange, coke reverts to the better (more expensive) formula for Coke whilst Trump gets to take the credit on X.
Trump gets these little wins but the shitstorm does not bat on eye on its way to shore.
He still spends like Reagan.
He still cuts social programs to make up for the corporate tax cuts.
He still doubles down on the MIC.
He is not deporting. (Closing the border until the next Dem comes in to open it is not the same as deporting – Biden let in ten million over four years and Trump can only manage 500/day, which means 500,000 by the time his four years are over and we are back to an establishment dem who imports third worlders again so the people have a harder time galvanizing against the elite)
He is only redpilling people with his deflections about Epstein and the fact our government is being handled by deep state/Jewish-internationalist blackmailed and sex traffickers.
I am soooo exhausted from all this winning.
But the coke is better.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 16:43 utc | 45
Yeah, I’m aware that it is loaded, and probably unfair to single out the Roman church, as much as any other institution, as a special culprit. It is to be expected that wherever there is systematic access to vulnerable children, there will be pedophilia. However, I think of the Epstein case as one operation out of many; it’s a method, and as such not confined to 3LA deep state agencies in the west. For example, after the reunification of Germany the CIA was quickest to apprehend the well-sorted drawer of dirty laundry the MfS (Stasi) had collected, its contents never to be seen again.
I asked, naively on purpose, about the church of Rome because they are very old, and the celibate priest cast probably lends itself for fishing operations by unscrupulous actors.
There is a very interesting and simple observation about deviant (in a psychiatric sense) power structures within organisations: essentially, once a leadership is corrupted/being dominated by deviant personalities, this can lead to a “crystallizing” effect of the whole enterprise whereby new leadership is selected according to deviancy. This can work thorugh all layers of influence from below, like in a pyramidal scheme. There are examples for this known through whistleblowers (like a guy who worked for high finance in the Netherlands; sorry, no link), and I believe companies such a Nestlé, Monsanto, Boeing or Goldman Sachs have likely been sufficiently “crystalized” to now show their levels of ethical disfunction; though the latter is technically a speculation of course.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 16:47 utc | 46
Addendum:
Trump is only DEPORTING 500/day (should read) and will only be able at that rate to do 500,000/four years.
How’s Spain doing right now?
Lucky Muslims are obvious in their unwillingness to integrate into liberal European culture. It’s easy to see that they must go.
Slave laborers in Estados Unidos are getting more brash, especially in Cali, but they keep the head low and stay in their ethnic enclaves refusing/having no opportunity to learn the language.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 16:49 utc | 47
@46 persiflo
Of course it was unfair, but you are a follower of Mani so that tracks.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 16:54 utc | 48
11, 23, 40: I’m also curious about Trump’s comment boosting real “cane” sugar in Coke.
U.S. Cane sugar: Mainly Florida, followed by Louisiana. Texas produces a little. (All red states)
U.S. Beet sugar: Top 4 states are Minnesota, North Dakota, Idaho, and Michigan. (Two big blue states and two little red ones)
So is Trump trying to boost Florida and Louisiana? Or does he just not know about sugar beets?
Also, I thought Trump drank diet Coke, which has no sugar at all.
Posted by: nazcalito | Jul 17 2025 16:58 utc | 49
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 16:49 utc | 47
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Spain was Islamic long before NATO existed.
Btw, Iran deported 700,000+ illegal immigrants in under 14 days.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 17:01 utc | 50
canuk | Jul 17 2025 16:06 utc | 38
You write, again and again, the Aztecs sacrifice people well before the Europeans arrived to America.
Now, you write that pederastia was a common practice in the times of Plato.
Neither the Aztecs were so wild nor the ancient Greeks were so indecent.
In any case, sacrifice and pederastia are practices that violent the individual. And, now, we try to live in the common lore with practices that respect the civil law.
Trying to make a pubescent individual a matured person able to comply with an adult in sexual relationship is dishonest and unfair, because the child, the adolescent, has not matured, biologically, enough to take decisions on his/her own.
Let the people grow up to be, at least, human beings. The law must protect the development of the body and psyche.
There are people who grow up, physically, and never have built a character, a personality. They will die as childs, but that’s will never be a justification to treat them like minors.
Isn’t it, Mr. Canuck?
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 17:01 utc | 51
I’m not a follower of Mani, but find him interesting. His notion of the meta-cosmos is an open question to me; this is tied to his whole cosmogony of “three times” as opposed to, say, an everlasting eternity.
The question was unfair, but it should still be allowed to be asked.
Minor correction to my previous post: wherever there is systematic access to vulnerable children, there will likely be cases of pedophilia.
/afk for a few hours.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 17:01 utc | 52
persiflo | Jul 17 2025 16:47 utc | 46
Sorry. When I read a word salad I dismiss.
Nestlé? Monsanto?
Please, why do you ask that the Catholic Church has chances of a relationship with the Epstein affair.
Be factual, please.
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 17:09 utc | 53
karlof1 @ 42: Yes, always a rich learning experience with these 2 amazing profs.
Exile @ 44: Thanks for that. Wow.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 17:14 utc | 54
It is interesting that, as Trump’s defense of child abuse and human trafficking has emerged, people have chosen “sides”
We get to see who invents creative defenses for criminal and evil behavior.
Let anyone talk long enough, and they will reveal who they really are.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 17:18 utc | 55
@esophagus – why do you ask that the Catholic Church has chances of a relationship with the Epstein affair?
This is a misunderstanding. I had wanted to speculate about the methods used, not insinuating a unified power structure behind all those occurences (there are more).
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 17:20 utc | 56
@50 love
You are smarter than that!
I know I don’t have to explain this to you, but, yes, Spain was controlled by Muslim Moors for a time. And then they got kicked out.
Spain WAS NOT Muslim. It had Muslims controlling it for a while, but that does not mean its innate identity was Islamic.
Europeans have to decide, and quickly, do they want to live under a Christian-influenced liberal humanist nation-state system or a highly-centralized theocracy which will likely supplant old Europe in a few generations.
Dali Lama: “Europe should be for Europeans.”
What is a European?
Certainly not a Muslim.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 17:21 utc | 57
Pizzagate dembots trying to take the moral high ground on pedophilia is good for a laugh.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 17:24 utc | 58
It might be cruel to think it or say it but I don’t care. I think it’s funny and the irony is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
Fox news religious right boomers are worthy recipients of MAGA Darwin Award. (<--- the last organic pocket of worshippers of our beloved tormenters)
Posted by: chunga | Jul 17 2025 17:25 utc | 59
Zionists’ tricks working as expected – they always do, the question is who benefits after all this time?
A writ of habeas corpus in a letter had been set in motion by the Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell’s (GNM) desperate family as a consequence of her involment along Epstein for the world wide web trafficking of minors and the sexual pedophile rings purposely designed for the pleasure of americans and europeans elite class, politicians, bankers, actors and lawyers as well as many more m/wom(en) in positions of power alike.
Posted by: pepe | Jul 17 2025 17:25 utc | 60
Trump should pull a Nicholson code red: “YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I’M ON THE LIST!!”
…
“A FEW GOOD TRUTHS”
Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with tweets. Who’s gonna do it? You? The fake news media? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for the victims and you curse the so-called “deep state”. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know—that the victims, while tragic, probably never existed. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, puts America First!
I did the job no one else had the guts to do until Bibi told me: Declare it “fake news”! The Democrats made up this whole thing—total witch hunt, very unfair. The list is fake news, folks. Believe me. Nobody’s seen it. Sad!
And deep down inside, in places you don’t talk about at CNN, you WANT me to suppress that list! You NEED me to suppress that list!
You use words like ‘transparency’, ‘accountability’, and … even longer words I don’t use. Maybe we use these words as memes for a life spent winning. They’re “good words” before the election. After the election, theyre a punchline for losers! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a PAST supporters who enjoy the greatest economy in history—THANKS TO ME—and then QUESTION the way I handle a little list! I’d rather you just said ‘Thank you, Mr. President,’ and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a subpoena and try to enforce it to learn whether I’m on that list. Either way, I don’t give a DAMN what “truth” you think you deserve!
Prosecutor: Wait… Are *you* on that list?
…YOU’RE GODDAMN RIGHT I’M ON THE LIST
*Crowd gasps.*
And it’s a beautiful list, by the way. Very classy people. Many folks are saying it’s the best list they’ve ever seen.
[Trump smiles. Freeze frame. Cue “Y.M.C.A.” by The Village People.]
Posted by: Bibi King | Jul 17 2025 17:26 utc | 61
re Epstein list – some people just can’t be blackmailed, nor hung out to dry. Vested interests have convinced the Trump faction that it’s best to sweep the whole thing beneath the rug. It all lends some credence to the notion of a deep state.
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:43 utc | 25
What are the chances the Catholic church started the ubiquitous pedo parties?
Posted by: persiflo | Jul 17 2025 15:59 utc | 35
Yeah! Misconception.
Sure!
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 17:30 utc | 62
Al-Jazeera reports after the HTS withdrawal yesterday from Suwayda the Druze factions are holding over 1000 Bedouin civilians captive.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:30 utc | 63
White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller Demonstrated His Suitability For High Imperial Office From An Early Age…
https://x.com/BTnewsroom/status/1945531629037850656
“Torture is a celebration of human life and dignity…”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 17:31 utc | 64
“Torture is a celebration of human life and dignity…”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 17:31 utc | 64
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That’s MAGA!
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 17:36 utc | 65
Trump says he never set foot on Epstein’s plane, nor on his island, yet – Trumps name appears at least seven times – on flight logs with regards to Epstein’s plane.
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:36 utc | 66
The tip of a very, very large iceberg.
“Ron Wyden
Big news from my investigators on Epstein’s sex trafficking operation: the Trump administration has an Epstein file detailing 4,725 wire transfers and almost $1.1 billion flowing through just one of his banks. Hundreds of millions more through others. ”
https://nitter.poast.org/RonWyden/status/1945864024672919592#m
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:38 utc | 67
@Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 15:54 utc | 32
RFK’s health department has nothing to do with prioritizing peace. Removing unnecessary unhealthy ingredients from foods is a declared priority of “MAHA”.
Posted by: Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 17:41 utc | 68
This is how a House of Cards is built, you scratch my back and I’ll reward you.
“Let’s not forget that the prosecutor who gave Epstein a secret sweetheart deal back in 2007 — allowing Epstein to continue assaulting girls — was rewarded by Trump with a cabinet spot.
Alex Acosta gave Epstein immunity.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:42 utc | 69
Is everyone aware that Communist China operates a space station?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiangong_space_station
Launched in ’21 and has iterated multiple times since.
Here is a video from a supply launch on July 15th.
https://x.com/BridgingNews_/status/1945315411719020694
China has also been surveying the moon’s dark side for a planned lunar colony that would observe radio signals from the universe.
They plan to build the lunar base with Russia. Several other nations are involved as well. South Africa, Belarus, Azerbaijan, Venezuela, Pakistan, and Egypt.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jul 17 2025 17:48 utc | 70
james: Amy Goodman’s “Democracy Now!” is carried by many NPR affiliates but is not an NPR production. It’s produced by WBAI, a Pacifica affiliate.
Figleaf23: Cane sugar is less bad than HFCS, but it’s an abuse of language to say that it’s “better”.
Esophagus: You really shouldn’t accuse others of “word salad”. Glass houses and all that.
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 17:51 utc | 71
The little coke head Macron of France – must be wondering what’s going on in Africa – as his troops are booted out at every turn – now the little slapped face, coke head, will have thousands of troops not exploiting poorer weaker nations – to make money for French corporations, and corrupt politicians.
“France has officially withdrawn all its troops from Senegal, marking the end of a 65-year-long military presence in the West African nation.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jul 17 2025 17:53 utc | 72
Great news but they should really just do it themselves without the others. Less room for security leaks,obstructionism and even sabotage.
The Russians had pinpricks in some walls of some ISS equipment due to sabotage, and they blamed their own manufacturing base and workers in the end. Seems ridiculous. More likely their fellow US astronauts or NATO guests at the plant – if they ever visited, that is- if you ask me.
Posted by: Aut | Jul 17 2025 17:59 utc | 73
malenkov | Jul 17 2025 17:51 utc | 71
Because you say so.
I’ve written: “Sorry. When I read a word salad I dismiss.”
Is that an accusation?
I’ve make a comment pointing to his comment. Excuse me. Who are you?
Ah! Yeah! Our dear Mr. Malenkov.
Do you consider the former sentence an accusation?
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 18:03 utc | 74
Posted by: nazcalito | Jul 17 2025 16:58 utc | 49
You’re forgetting The Valley. As late as the mid 70s, sugar cane fields weren’t uncommon in that part of South Texas.
Posted by: Vivacious Recluse | Jul 17 2025 18:05 utc | 75
@ Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 18:03 utc | 74
Well, if you insist on proving my point, it would be churlish of me to raise objections. 😁
Posted by: malenkov | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 76
Repub 17:42
Yes,I saw the Mafiamug on TV myself. We must note that he claims that he was told to give Epstein a slap on the wrist by intelligence high-ups and that the immunity deal was drawn up by the pervert Deshowitz lawyer himself. It gave immunity to Epstein,Dershowitz and others -so far publicly unnamed.
Was Trump one of the unnamed? We have names and dates of women-then girls- who maintain they were Rogered by Trump and Dershowitz,so it is not implausible.
The whole affair stinks and Trump and others are burying it because they are criminally guilty or are covering up for the Zios enabling childraping decision-makers. The last and most sickening of acts? You a homo, adulterer or murderer,one can be forgiven. Fucking kids and possibly child murder… Never!
That is why they are covering Israel’s dirty criminal blackmailing .
Posted by: Aut | Jul 17 2025 18:13 utc | 77
malenkov | Jul 17 2025 18:11 utc | 76
From your shrine you judge what the comments should be?
May be is your humility?
I’ve not made an accusation to Persiflo’s comment. I’ve made a typical joke regarding the issue.
Who are you to judge what it should be written between another commenters?
Take your “glass and your churchilist constant pharisee” to yourself.
You sound jealous in all your posts, darling.
Posted by: Esophagus | Jul 17 2025 18:27 utc | 78
move along now nothing to see here hare here
epstein island aka the crown city of london owned little saint james island
• In June 2023, JPMorgan agreed to pay $290 million to Epstein’s victims in a class-action lawsuit that alleged JPMorgan “knowingly benefited from participating in a sex-trafficking venture” and obstructed enforcement of anti-trafficking laws.
• In September 2023, the bank settled for $75 million with the US Virgin Islands to resolve claims it enabled Epstein’s sex crimes, with the majority of funds designated for local charities and victim support.
• JPMorgan also reached a confidential legal settlement with Jes Staley, its former executive alleged to have been complicit in maintaining Epstein as a client.
Posted by: karl | Jul 17 2025 18:52 utc | 79
Exile @ 44: Thanks for that. Wow.
Posted by: JohnGilberts
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Wow is right.
Posted by: Exile | Jul 17 2025 18:56 utc | 80
@Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 17:41 utc | 68
RFK’s health department has nothing to do with prioritizing peace.
It was Trump that posted about this on his Truth Social, not RFK.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 19:03 utc | 81
@ nazcalito | Jul 17 2025 16:58 utc | 49
> Also, I thought Trump drank diet Coke, which has no sugar at all.
Then how did he end up looking like Fat Bastard’s younger brother?
Posted by: bibi king | Jul 17 2025 19:14 utc | 82
Below is an interesting presentation about an ongoing process revolution in China which must be understood as strategic and geopolitical. Huawei’s HarmonyOS NEXT is a completely independent operating system, no longer based on Android or even Linux. HarmonyOS is no longer just for smart phones and tablets, it is also for PCs, not requiring Intel or AMD processors.
HarmonyOS is rapidly being phased in on government and industry computers, replacing Windows and Windows software. It has its own office suite (WPS Office) etc.
Goodbye Windows? China Installs HarmonyOS on Millions of PCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1OFb8_zSGY
This is about strategic independence, and not just business.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 19:18 utc | 83
Posted by: nazcalito | Jul 17 2025 16:58 utc | 49
U.S. Cane sugar: Mainly Florida, followed by Louisiana. Texas produces a little. (All red states)
U.S. Beet sugar: Top 4 states are Minnesota, North Dakota, Idaho, and Michigan. (Two big blue states and two little red ones)
That’s almost a socialist redistribution, of sorts. …
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 17 2025 19:21 utc | 84
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 17 2025 19:21 utc | 84
You don’t understand the health problems with fructose (1) so your idea of geopolitical ideas are pointless nonsense.
You seem a bit of a high octane (ie many posts), yet low inte3llectual value.
Perhaps, you should study more and post less to build up some credibility?
1. “High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also known as glucose–fructose (syrup), and isoglucose,[1][2] is a sweetener made from corn starch. As in the production of conventional corn syrup, the starch is broken down into glucose by enzymes. To make HFCS, the corn syrup is further processed by D-xylose isomerase to convert some of its glucose into fructose. HFCS was first marketed in the early 1970s by the Clinton Corn Processing Company, together with the Japanese Agency of Industrial Science and Technology, where the enzyme was discovered in 1965.[3]: 5
As a sweetener, HFCS is often compared to granulated sugar, but manufacturing advantages of HFCS over sugar include that it is cheaper.”
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 19:31 utc | 85
@ c1ue | Jul 17 2025 15:24 utc | 17
i think trump is now completely captured by the neo cons.. he is on a leash now and they are in full control..my take..
@ sean the leprechaun | Jul 17 2025 15:33 utc | 24
tiny desk – nice gimmick that made some people aware of artists they wouldn’t be made aware of otherwise – yes, that is too bad..
@ Minaa | Jul 17 2025 15:43 utc | 26
i agree… i shared the link on 2 different moa threads yesterday.. some did see it..
@ pepe | Jul 17 2025 15:43 utc | 27
we’ll see pepe.. i would like to believe this, but it is hard to keep a monstrous beast ( usa ) down, lol..
@ malenkov | Jul 17 2025 17:51 utc | 71
thanks.. i was unaware of that.. i always heard her on the npr outlet and made the association thus..
Epstein and the original satanic pedo conspiracy
Where I connect Trump, Epstein, the Dead Sea Scrolls, Dasha Nekrasova, and the Book of Enoch.
Yasha Levine
Jul 17, 2025
substack article above – maybe you can access this article.. quote –
“Things have radically changed for the MAGA world now that Trump is not into the Epstein Myth anymore. Suddenly, Epstein holds no explanatory power for them — suddenly it doesn’t explain why America is so corrupt. Trump and his people had made Epstein a liberal boogyman — he was the lynchpin in a global pedo cabal working with the wokeists and the globalists to undermine America. But now that Trump has flipped and is saying that the Epstein Myth is itself a liberal conspiracy to undermine himself and the MAGA movement (possibly hatched by Barack Obama himself!), you have all sorts of MAGA characters who previously made Epstein central parts of their identity go back on their word and fall into line and say Epstein is no big deal. Now that the boss is implicated in the Evil Cabal, talk of this Evil Cabal must be suppressed.”
Posted by: james | Jul 17 2025 19:42 utc | 86
“@Figleaf23 | Jul 17 2025 17:41 utc | 68
RFK’s health department has nothing to do with prioritizing peace.
It was Trump that posted about this on his Truth Social, not RFK.”
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 19:03 utc | 81
With all due respect, Norwegian, ‘fall on your sword’ on this issue; Figleaf23 is right.
Obviously, it was RFK Jr. that put this into T rump’s head cause RFK knew that if Trump pushed the idea it would have a better chance of succeeding
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 19:57 utc | 87
Agreed, all of these even cheaper sugar substitutes are bad: corn syrup, glucose-fructose syrup, inverted sugar syrup (they may or may not be the same thing) as well as sweeteners aspartame etc.
I refuse to buy anything that lists them as ingredients on the label.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 20:17 utc | 88
@canuk | Jul 17 2025 19:57 utc | 87
I just report the facts. Trump spent time on this issue rather than important matters. But whatever.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 20:21 utc | 89
Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 19:18 utc | 83–
Indeed! It’s about cracking the Empire’s tech monopoly and is part of what Mr. Ford said in the clip Nima provided to the Wolff/Hudson chat that begins just prior to the 44-minute mark, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS3na0p2hYY
Lula’s message to Trump: no ‘GRINGO’ will give orders to Brazil’s President
Crowd roars in approval
Lula’s said a response to Trump’s tariffs being prepared right now
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 20:32 utc | 91
I found the clip’s URL, https://yandex.com/video/preview/5504325719003379933
Posted by: Norwegian | Jul 17 2025 14:50 utc | 11
Posted by: NemesisCalling | Jul 17 2025 16:43 utc | 45
It may possibly be something else…
US imports a reasonable amount of ethanol from Brazil, which has been recently tariffed by Mr. Trump in 50% over all its exports to US. So, less ethanol shall enter the US ftom there.
Brazil’s ethanol is primarily, if not entirely, produced from cane, while US’ ethanol is largely produced from corn if I’m not wrong. And since this ethanol comes from the consumption of corn sugars by microorganisms, syrup and ethanol are, let’s say, concurrent products.
This means that even extracting both products from a said amount of corn, the maximum production of one of them means the minimum production of the other.
So, less corn syrup for the (enormous) local production of Coca-Cola means more corn ethanol available to fill the gap produced by the decrease in Brazilian imports, at least partially.
Of course there are other issues involved at domestic markets level: price of cane sugar; the margins for an increase in its production/imports; impacts on ethanol price; and so on. But it would be interesting to know if Mr. Trump would have any leverage upon Coca-Cola that could make the company moving in such direction. And let’s not forget that all this can be just more crap from Mr. Trump…
Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Jul 17 2025 20:46 utc | 93
The Grayzone Live!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezW_Y-e4QpE
“All the Epstein’s men.”
Max Blumenthal & Aaron Mate analyze and discuss.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jul 17 2025 20:49 utc | 94
Posted by: William Gruff | Jul 17 2025 17:24 utc | 58
They are all crinkling their sphincters – Trump, Republicans, Democrats, oligarchs, the donor class.
It is a pity nobody from the Whitehouse press pack has not had the wit to ask Trump
If it’s all a hoax,
i) should Ghislaine Maxwell be given a pardon?;
and
ii) Should the perpetrators of the hoax be prosecuted – after all the reputations of many the rich and powerful (friends of yours), such as Prince Andrew and Bill Gates had their otherwise spotless reputations besmirched as a result?
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jul 17 2025 20:51 utc | 95
@ karlof1 | Jul 17 2025 20:44 utc | 92
thanks karl..he lays it out very straight forward…
Posted by: james | Jul 17 2025 20:56 utc | 96
Posted by: canuk | Jul 17 2025 19:31 utc | 85
Get bent, twerp. Your jack shit was not the subject of my comment.
Posted by: Laurence | Jul 17 2025 20:58 utc | 97
Here is a great intdrview of Michael Hudson by Glenn Diesen.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8avSepk1qxw&pp=4gcKEghzdWJzdGFjaw%3D%3D
Michael summarizes the economic aspects of the current conflicrs and phe ends up pointing to possible positive developments if South-Korea and Japan economies work closer with China thus providing an incentive to the Europeans to move away from US hsgemony. Michael always comes up with interesting historical views on the past economical events in the process.
Posted by: Richard L | Jul 17 2025 21:04 utc | 98
james | Jul 17 2025 20:56 utc | 96–
Thanks for your reply. What I found most interesting was his admission that Google nor Apple wanted to get into the auto industry; so, if they won’t do that for American car makers who will?
I believe companies such a Nestlé, Monsanto, Boeing or Goldman Sachs have likely been sufficiently “crystalized” to now show their levels of ethical disfunction; though the latter is technically a speculation of course.
@ persiflo | Jul 17 2025 16:47 utc | 46
In the dark context of corporate culture, an especially-intense crystallization of depravity would be exceedingly difficult to perceive. Like that painter who specializes in big black rectangles over black backgrounds: subtle, and completely non-photogenic.
Larry Johnson, in his latest, recounts the travails of JPMorgan, the pedophile’s prefered banker:
• In June 2023, JPMorgan agreed to pay $290 million to Epstein’s victims in a class-action lawsuit that alleged JPMorgan “knowingly benefited from participating in a sex-trafficking venture” and obstructed enforcement of anti-trafficking laws.
• In September 2023, the bank settled for $75 million with the US Virgin Islands to resolve claims it enabled Epstein’s sex crimes, with the majority of funds designated for local charities and victim support.
• JPMorgan also reached a confidential legal settlement with Jes Staley, its former executive alleged to have been complicit in maintaining Epstein as a client.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jul 17 2025 21:19 utc | 100