Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 10, 2025
When Will Russia Attack NATO?

The cheerleaders of the military-industrial-media complex are trying to press people and governments into handing more money to them.

They do so by predicting, again and again, that the 'big bad bear' will soon come to slaughter them.

But their purported guestimates of when that will happen are all over the place:

Fortunately there are still some sane people with whom I tend to agree on this:

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The ZioNazis.
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Posted by: The painter | Jun 10 2025 22:21 utc | 101

#88- “The truth is, JB, they have no idea what they are doing when it comes to international relations and how to successfully run matters. They are utterly subservient to the MIC, as well as their armed forces and secret services. They have no control over any of them.”
These statements are self-contradictory: in fact, the people in charge very much do have an idea what they are doing and how to run things in service to their masters in the MIC and globobank. They have been trained since birth and survive grueling competitions to be where they are … they are very very good at it.
I’m puzzled by the Bar’s general thinking that there’s much to this warmongering/fake-anticipation by the western mandarins beyond $$$ … remembering that the business of America is business and that war and war investing is the best, most lucrative business there is, why search afar for other explanations? It is, as ever, basically about the Benjamins.

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 10 2025 22:23 utc | 102

MorePain4Cakes | Jun 10 2025 17:12 utc | 7
*** Time has always been on the Russian side. How long did it take to throw off the yoke of the Golden Horde?***
It may be that the question nowadays is how long it will take — if such is still possible — to throw off the yoke of the Khazars.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 10 2025 22:27 utc | 103

“…defense spending disparity…”
One of the biggest lessons from the last decade should be spending ≠ capability
Case in point has been the poorest nation on the planet (Yemen) kicking the ass of the richest nation on the planet (you know who).
“But…but we killed lots of them!”
Yes, you are very good a terrorism. You excel at killing unarmed civilians. The Empire is best in human history at that, but you still ran away from goat herders in sandals building missiles in their garages.
In fact, strong arguments have been made that it is precisely the practically unlimited sums of money thrown at the MIC in the West that has resulted in the production of crap weapons systems. Nothing personal, mind you. It’s just business. Even the Russians had fallen into that trap. Ex: their “loyal wingman” drones… beautiful but insanely expensive works of engineering art. It took seeing the effectiveness of brutally cheap and elegantly minimalist Iranian drones to force Russians to correct their priorities in weapons design… in reality to return to design principals the Soviets fully understood.
But the West is nowhere near achieving that realization. Weapons systems in the West are still designed with the primary focus on contractor profits, with real world effectiveness far down on the list of priorities.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 22:37 utc | 104

Andrew Sarchus @101: “Decades ago when I was a teenager, in the UK, I had a dream in which I was hiding in a war-torn basement in a scene of devastation, hiding from Chinese soldiers”
My mind boggles. Why would the Chinese care enough about Britain to invade it? To be certain, the British have been utter scumbags to China and richly deserve to be erased from the face of the planet by them, but when have they ever shown the tendency to be such assholes; to be so British?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 10 2025 22:42 utc | 105

90/ Saner ” If you idiot-proof something, a higher grade idiot will evolve.”
Ah ah, so true. But isn’t that what we are seeing in the Collective Waste, the intentional breeding of higher grade idiots?
Un-education, activities promoting mental laziness, jabs with aluminium, mercury and other nastiness, industrial food, genetic “therapy”… Homo sapiens sapiens on one side, a new species of Homo Dumbinus to serve them, on the other side…

Posted by: Asian Frog | Jun 10 2025 22:49 utc | 106

Sec Hegseth told Congress today that the U.S. has no plans to fund Project Ukraine at anywhere near prior levels.
Neocons duly warned.
Which means that *dealing Russia a defeat* will fall to Kiev’s Euro-curators.
Which entails of course more ‘one off’-style tablecloth trick terroristic parlor games, perhaps 18-months in the making, like the drone attack on the military bases.
Project Ukraine seems to be settling, under its own inertia, into the kind of counter-terrorism operation the Russian Federation knows well from its experience w/ Chechnya.
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Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 22:50 utc | 107

WG: “Weapons systems in the West are still designed with the primary focus on contractor profits, with real world effectiveness far down on the list of priorities.”
Which tells us of course what the whole point is … and whether the powers that be really think there’s a war a-coming. It is all Such a racket. Of course, sometimes a real war breaks out unscheduled and by accident, as almost happened in the Cuba crisis, and then a large number of us will likely die.
“Pity the nation(s) whose people are sheep,” as the great Lawrence Ferlinghetti said …

Posted by: Caliman | Jun 10 2025 22:53 utc | 108

Thanks for this. Better sooner than later imho.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 10 2025 22:54 utc | 109

Hey all
Love Donbass made a throw away comment that while sort of over the top (more like funny) had a strong kernel of truth. The original poster talked of Russians buying Mercedes and traveling to Greece, without accepting that the world had moved on from 2005.
these days Germany is seriously challenged in motor vehicles and other up market consumer products, while LD is quite correct in saying that high end tech goods are the consumer goods of choice, largely replacing Italian handbags and shoes. China has captured or is capturing both markets.
The other thing that perhaps some are not aware of is that for Russians, European destinations for holidays have been pretty
much replaced by holidays to the beaches of Vietnam and Bali. Why go tom paddle in Greece when you can fly to Vietnam for a magnificent beach holiday. There is one town on Vietnam’s coast that is pretty much Russian party land. I have heard whinges from Australians about the number of Russians in Bali.
The belief that Russia needs and loves Europe was true in 1985, even more true in 2005, but perhaps now is rather outdated.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 10 2025 23:03 utc | 110

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 10 2025 21:12 utc | 88
Oof! O/T excused.
One wonders how Iran got the info – through their own efforts or was it a friendly ‘leak’ from someone on the other side…?

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 10 2025 23:13 utc | 111

****DunnGroinin @103
Like Europe has been doing SUCCESSFULLY across the world with never ending imperialism and colonisation.
******
The easiest thing to do to cure European overpopulation is to return those migrants, foreigners, ect., back to the old colonial lands from which they came. These persons with an immigration history now comprise an estimated 24% of the German, 19% of the French and somewhere over 16% of the UK populations.
This would also be the best way to correct the historical abuses you mention because these persons have the demonstrated talent for seeking out opportunities to correct the adverse effects of colonialism and imperialism have had on them. Many have been extremely successful. Send them back, their countries need them, and this will reduce the aggressive nature of the European for settlement of new lands and reduce tensions with the Rus.
Sent them back to a better future.

Posted by: Jerr | Jun 10 2025 23:25 utc | 112

What is so embarrassing: There is not a single piece of evidence and proof for the allegation of RU threat and nobody seems to demand it.
Which on the other hand should offer an arguable legal case against the government and its agencies (be it any country in Europe) claiming otherwise since they put their respective populations at peril based on lies. If they cannot produce evidence for Russian threat to their states they are lying. And to invoke all kinds of extreme and emergency policies and thereof destroying the civil services and much else without justification they are criminals to be convicted.
It cannot be that they build on national security and the necessity of confidentiality and secrecy to outmaneuver democratic controls. By way of “Official Secrets Act”-style coups they replace the sovereign, i.e. the people.
But that is highly illegal. Even in the case of authoritarian rule they need pretext with some form of evidence. Whether Corona in part was a huge fraude they still made the attempt to call on a pandemic as threat and there were enough countries on this planet that did regard the virus as a serious threat to their healthcare system. So there was something at least to relate to. But THIS is 100% fiction.
I don´t understand why no lawyers are challenging this in courts. Even if it´s only for the sake of argument. But this sheepish behaviour especially by the educated classes is shocking.

Posted by: AG | Jun 10 2025 23:29 utc | 113

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Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 23:34 utc | 114

The question “When Will Russia Attack NATO” seems to have two distinct interpretations: (1) Will Russia invade Europe and/or (2) Will Russia attack NATO bases or decision-making centers that are being used to direct and/or supply the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
The cry of “the Russians are coming!” is being used in a drive to remilitarize Europe. One look at the non-existent armies of Europe makes this sound like a bad joke — but If the fools in the EU continue down this path, if German Taurus missiles start hitting Russia, Russians may eventually become convinced that they will need to finally put an end to this madness. In other words, the EU is well on its way to creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom.
Will Russia hit NATO bases and decision-making centers?
The Indian analyst M. K. Bhadrakumar recently told Glen Diesen that while Russia’s strategy of waging an attritional war can be seen as a smart tactical approach, it has become a strategic failure because war has gone on for too long. More than three years of war have led to increasingly aggressive attacks carried out against Russia itself by Ukrainian proxies under the direction of the US/NATO. The reluctance of Russia to punish those in NATO who direct and order the attacks has caused NATO to believe that it can mount increasingly aggressive and dangerous attacks against Russia with impunity.
IMO, Putin will not stop NATO-directed/supplied attacks on Russian forces and Russian territory if Russian forces continue to confine their attacks to Ukrainian territory. NATO could care less about the Ukrainian people and NATO leadership clearly believes that it is immune from Russian retaliation.
It is hard to avoid war with a non-agreement-capable enemy who is intent upon destroying you.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2025 23:37 utc | 115

unless russia does something drastically outside ukraine, the show will go on . Nato /ukraine attacks will continue. Europeans are brainwashed anyway so for many of them it is a just act to continue like this. Only way to make the people realize the state of the situation is to do something that will have big impact on europeans lifes and the perception they have due to propaganda news. Not killing them, to just realize where we are heading. can’t believe that there are not images from the oreshnik attack. If the hit was catastrophic, ukrainians haven’t release any real picture, they are all buried. But russians or chinese have satelites also. Why don’t they show the impact the hit had? something doesn’t quite fit.
if russia doesn’t respond to red line crossings and just keep hitting ukraine then we are heading to a first strike by our side, the west. whatever it might mean. Only possible wayout to have an oreshnik, if it is real and works as advertised in a symbolic hit, no casualties, so everyone could see and feel the bad situation.

Posted by: logadino | Jun 10 2025 23:57 utc | 116

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 10 2025 23:37 utc | 119
It is hard to avoid war with a non-agreement-capable enemy who is intent upon destroying you.

What you write is true but it assumes a static position. The situation of the USA and specifically EU is getting worse, that of China is getting better. For Russia, there are mixed signals but the risk-averse strategy will have been right *if* global war can be avoided. If global war has to come, the Russians will fight it. So I like Moscow’s strategy very much.
That said, I think that EU/NATO has several more serious attempts to force Russia into action outside of Ukraine:
1. just another attack on a strategic facility; at some point Kremlin must act
2. blocking the Baltic sea for trade to Russia
3. a Taurus missile scores a significant hit

Posted by: Konami | Jun 11 2025 0:00 utc | 117

Right. Enough of all the bollox!
Russia aint gonna attack the EU of NATO. They’ll retake all the four regions FULLY and then call it quits. If Kiev starts trouble after that, then they’ll gat a taste of whats happening now in Kiev…but twice as bad.

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 11 2025 0:01 utc | 118

james | Jun 10 2025 22:11 utc | 102
Lavrov saying 100% uk was behind the attack on the airfields ……how does he know this,
He called Rubio the night it happened. I guess Rubio convinced him: “sorry, not sorry, but anyway, it wasn’t us”.

Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 11 2025 0:10 utc | 119

So many calling for 5 years
2030 if we must

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 11 2025 0:15 utc | 120

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 11 2025 0:15 utc | 124
So many calling for 5 years
2030 if we must
By then there will be no NATO!

Posted by: Elber | Jun 11 2025 0:20 utc | 121

Then Thursday

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 11 2025 0:24 utc | 122

Russia attacking NATO. I’ve heard that shit my entire life. Fortunately, a very good but mostly ignored since the bru-haha that surrounded its 1978 publication came and went, is Anthony Cave Brown’s Dropshot: The United States Plan for World War III with Russia in 1957. The USG declassified the US senior staff plan, written in/around 1948, during the Carter years, and ACB wrote this book about it. Two senior US armed forces staff conclusions about the World War III of a Warsaw Pact invasion of NATO were: 1) Defense against this attack would entail the use of something like 300 US nuclear weapons, with no guarantee of success, and 2) The military geography of Europe made any conventional non-nuclear defense against a Warsaw Pact invasion a complete impossibility.
There has been no militarily valid reason for NATO’s existence since before I was born. Everyone in the US and all the NATO militaries have overlooked/hidden/lied about the rationale for NATO for almost the entire of NATO’s existence. Nobody in the world of politics, nor in any NATO military, nor anyone anywhere in the brain trades, has ever had the guts to face this fact. This has to show some sort of widespread grotesque sickness in all of these actors.
This sickness is apt to lead to a war with Russia. Unless we NATO folks get extraordinarily lucky, it will be a war we will lose today same as we would have lost it two generations ago.
I can only shake my head and wonder.

Posted by: Daniel White | Jun 11 2025 0:28 utc | 123

The fact that West thinks that Russia will attack in 5 to 8 years shows how little they think of Russia. For them Russia has shown weakness by not hitting England yet despite open warfare by pirate nation England. That weakness shows that nothing heroic can be expected from coward timid Putin

Posted by: Sam | Jun 11 2025 0:28 utc | 124

reply to 128
Uh, no, just no. The point is to fund weapons companies and propagandize towards that end. This is the same with Rutte bullsh*tting about learning to speak Russian.

Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 11 2025 0:34 utc | 125

Excellent b,
It’s all lies to ramp up funding and equip their proxies. Using The Russian bogyman to do it. Just listen to any Hegseth speech he does abroad. It is absolutely no different to any of Lloyd Austin’s speeches.
Peach through strength = American rules based order
MAGA = American rules based order
When are people going to wake up to this fact.
Their foreign policy has not changed one iota. In fact NATO will be bigger and the Asia Pacific presence will be bigger as their proxies ramp up spending and grow their military under Trump.
Once again Brian Berletic using facts not fiction has sign posted all of this.
There is no walking away from Ukraine, there is no defunding of NATO, there is no reduced presence in Asia.
Too many people have fallen for it as Trump says one thing and does another.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 11 2025 0:43 utc | 126

Perimetr 119
While I agree that it is extremely difficult to reconcile with someone who wants your scalp, to say the least, I would tend to disagree with Bhadrakumar.
Naturally RU cannot predict the future. But Putin did entitle General Staff in the spring of 2022 to take as much time for SMO as they need.
Since this is an existential war for Russia they will do everything necessary. That includes saving RU state from nuclear attacks as long as is humanly possible.
I am not sure Bhadrakumar is aware that most Russians are in this in the long term.
For the first time maybe in the modern age a highly industrialized democratic state is fighting a war to preserve its independence.
And doing so for the first time with superior means.
Eventually the West might want to subdue RU in public statement. But they will by now have mostly understood that that´s not gonna happen. Which is why they raise the specter of RU attacking them because otherwise their entire narrative would collapse.
If any of the claims made were true it would not be necessary to so viciously fight against popular demands and parties such as BSW or AfD. Because then neither party would have experienced such a surge last year. Instead the genuine threat would have been palpable just like it is in Russia now and people would have reacted differently just like the parties in question.

Posted by: AG | Jun 11 2025 0:45 utc | 127

Posted by: Sam | Jun 11 2025 0:28 utc | 128
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Stop posting.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 0:46 utc | 128

The funny thing, to me, is that in 8 years, they may have a military buildup, but by then, China should be mass producing robot troops.
And they will nearly have their lunar base done on the far side, where they can listen to the universe for signs of life.
Europe will be busy freaking out about the Russian threat that never came.
The West doesn’t have 8 years. The West doesn’t have 1 year. Every day, they are losing ground.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 0:49 utc | 129

Russia won’t attack NATO…
Russia does so every day on the Battlefield because NATO attacked Russian citizens in Ukraine. Russia attacks NATO every single day.
They have been at war with NATO for decades now because NATO attacked Russian and used their proxies to do it. In several different countries.
The mainstream media has turned everything on its head by using the Framing and narrative of – Will Russia attack NATO.
That ship sailed years ago. The question should be will Russia continue to defend itself against NATO.
The answer is of course it will.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 11 2025 0:53 utc | 130

In January this year Larry Johnson wrote a short but good piece defining deep state and how it got there since the 1990s.(Linked below) This is clearly the problem behind the military-industrial-congressional complex. Most people forget to add the ‘congressional’ bit, but it was originally named as such and hasn’t changed in the least since. Forcing the world to buy more weapons has become a US art form, although the post modern art it produces is enormous human suffering all around the world in order to support wealthy owners of corporations and their share holders. More than that, money gets splashed around to produce convenient lobbyists and friends to promote special deals. The US exports more than 40% of the world weapons, greater than the next 5 countries altogether including Russia and China.
In Australia we literally get arrogantly told we need to buy more weapons as happened again just recently; or who the next bogeyman is that we have to prepare to fight on behalf of the US as if we have no minds ourselves – like China, our largest trading partner. Deals like AUKUS seem to be about sending more money to the US MIC to support an ailing submarine industry rather than gaining any security in return.
https://sonar21.com/defining-the-deep-state/

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 0:54 utc | 131

James | Jun 10 2025 22:11 utc | 102
Lavrov saying 100% uk was behind the attack on the airfields
<=that's good enough for me.. How should Russia respond to a declaration of war on Russia? It should declare war.. on the UK..? Seems the UK by its attacks on the airfields in Russia, in-fact declared war on Russia..? If Russia proves it case to the UN, responds by declaring war and attacking the UK, will the UK have recourse to NATO's Article 5?

Posted by: snake | Jun 11 2025 0:57 utc | 132

(Source: https://www.livemint.com/news/world/russian-intelligence-document-calls-china-the-enemy-leak-exposes-moscow-s-deep-fear-11749408144712.html)
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 10 2025 18:13 utc | 29

Dig deeper to get the real source: New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/07/world/europe/russia-intelligence-documents-leak-how.html

June 7, 2025
In November, a crime group known as Ares Leaks announced on Telegram that it was selling classified Russian intelligence documents. The group claimed that the records originated from inside the Federal Security Service, or F.S.B.
The New York Times does not pay its sources or buy stolen documents. But we do accept documents that are provided without cost or strings attached. And it is common practice for sellers like Ares Leaks to share free samples.
In this case, Ares Leaks provided snapshots of Russian intelligence documents and, most important, a complete F.S.B. counterintelligence document about China. More documents were available, the group said, for a negotiable price paid in the cryptocurrency Monero.
The sample document on China appeared to come from the security agency’s Department for Counterintelligence Operations, known as the D.K.R.O. And it offered tantalizing insight into Russia’s relationship with China, one of the most important — and least understood — alliances in modern geopolitics. It described deep concerns in Moscow about Chinese espionage, and it revealed that Russia operates a secretive program to organize and analyze data from the popular Chinese messaging app WeChat.
The document looked consistent with F.S.B. records that have previously been made public. Times reporters who have studied Russian espionage for years analyzed the material and saw nothing immediately suspicious.
We took the document to six Western intelligence agencies. All of them confirmed that it appeared authentic, based on its format and content. A few agencies told us that the content was consistent with intelligence that they had collected independently. One went so far as to say that the content was consistent with what it knew about Russia’s views on China and its penetration of Chinese communications.
The Times also confirmed some details from the document. For instance, we established — independent of the Western intelligence sources we consulted — that the Russian government had in fact been conducting “precautionary briefings” with Russians who travel to China for work.

I know the MAGA barflies are eager to believe the contents of the document.

It might be convenient timing, but there’s a long history of mistrust between the two countries, often fuelled by China’s unique approach to R&D, especially regarding weapons technology. Nixon went to China, I wonder if Trump will go to Russia.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 10 2025 18:51 utc | 37

Salivating at the thought of a Russia-China war, just like your fellow Trump cultist S Brennan? I get it. This would be the good kind of war. The Russia-Ukraine war is sad because it’s Slavs slaughtering each other, and MAGA cultists have accepted Slavs as white and believe that whites shouldn’t kill each other. However, a Russia-China war will be Slavs cleansing the land of Mongoloid filth. That would be glorious!
If Russia does decide one day to start a war with China, the rational response from China would be to use its limited number of nukes to completely annihilate America, even if it meant that the ensuing chain reaction of events would lead to global thermonuclear holocaust.
Do not nuke Russia in retaliation. Do not nuke Europe or anybody else. Nuke America only.
Having seen the large number of MoA posters who eagerly and with complete seriousness advocate for Russia to nuke various European countries but never America itself in response to the Ukraine drone attack, I have come to the conclusion that many MoA posters are Americans who believe that they will escape the consequences of a thermonuclear war by egging other people on and sitting on the sidelines (like America’s favorite offspring, Israel: Israelis gather on hillsides to watch and cheer as military drops bombs on Gaza). There is no negotiating with the death cult that is America. There is only mutually assured destruction.
Europe may be junior partners of the American Empire and deserve a good nuking too, but it’s best to conserve the nukes so that every inch of America can be nuked multiple times to ensure that not a single particle that contains the idea of America survive.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jun 11 2025 1:07 utc | 133

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 0:54 utc | 135
That’s because Australia is a proxy and will die for America while American soldiers sit at home.
Here you go, from a president who says one thing and does another
Here:
https://www.reuters.com/world/trump-aware-supportive-aukus-pact-us-defense-secretary-says-2025-02-08/
“U.S. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth said President Donald Trump supported the AUKUS nuclear submarine deal, after Australia on Friday confirmed its first $500 million payment under the defense pact.
“The President is very aware, supportive of AUKUS, recognises the importance of the defense industrial base,” Hegseth said in opening remarks of a meeting in Washington with his Australian counterpart Richard Marles”
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
People need to wake up. Trump fully supports the American rules based order – Period !
Peace through strength = Peace on American terms.
Why he’ll NEVER walk away from NATO or Ukraine. American proxies are watching. They’ll never abandon Ukraine or they’ll never find another proxy to fight for them.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 11 2025 1:11 utc | 134

“The West doesn’t have 8 years. The West doesn’t have 1 year. Every day, they are losing ground.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 0:49 utc | 133
Correct.
And something the West has brought onto itself (all by itself) simply through arrogant restating of colonialist and imperialist doctrine and never actually listening or taking seriously anything that countries like China or Russia or Iran say.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 1:12 utc | 135

RE: AG | Jun 11 2025 0:45 utc | 131
Putin may have told the General Staff in the spring of 2022 “to take as much time for SMO as they need.” But after 3+ years of war, Russia is now suffering routine attacks against military and civilian inside Russian territory. Moscow’s airports were shutdown for several days due to drone attacks, everything from schools to oil refineries are being struck, bridges blown up, passenger trains destroyed, Russian nuclear Early Warning Radar facilities and the Russian strategic nuclear bomber fleet at 5 air bases attacked . . . with the promise that this process will continue ad infinitum.
John Helmer and others have reported that many on the General Staff want to end the attritional approach and end the war, to bring in all the reserves on the Ukraine border and force a collapse of the AFU.
Bhadrakumar made the point that the constant attacks occurring within Russia represent a loss of initiative on the part of Russia, and the attacks on strategic nuclear targets represent a failure of nuclear deterrence. He maintains the failure (to date) of Russia to retaliate against the NATO planners of these attacks represents a failure of the Russian political system.
The goal may be as you say, “saving the RU state from nuclear attacks as long as is humanly possible.” But the repeated failure to take strong action against against increasingly aggressive NATO attacks against Russia — including those taken against Russian strategic nuclear forces — will in the long run act to make nuclear war *more* likely.
NATO will not cease its attacks against Russia unless NATO — not Ukraine — is made to pay a heavy price for their aggression. Bhadrakumar made the comment that if Russia was not going to use its Oreshniks, perhaps they should put them in a museum.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 11 2025 1:22 utc | 136

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 11 2025 1:11 utc | 138
Exactly.
There is a lot of discussion here about this very topic and criticism of successive governments’ kowtowing to the US. But do they listen? NO.
Australia was bought out years ago and even one of our prime ministers was likely disposed of by the UK’s governor general with the help of the CIA in the 1970s because he pulled Australia out of Vietnam and dared to ask what the US spy bases were doing here.
The current government that is the same side that was in power when the above prime minster was sacked, seems to show cognitive dissonance. Albanese talks one way about making Australia more independent, but the defence minister and deputy prime minister, Marles, is no doubt a loyal servant to the US regime.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 1:22 utc | 137

@ Melaleuca | Jun 10 2025 23:34 utc | 118
lol – keep it up! but you spoke too soon.. oh well..no emojis though..
@ Melaleuca | Jun 11 2025 0:10 utc | 123
lol – maybe, but i think it is more substantial then talking to a flake – rubio..
@ snake | Jun 11 2025 0:57 utc | 136
good question.. i don’t know the answer.. lets see how this unfolds..

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2025 1:27 utc | 138

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 21:40 utc | 93
“Personal relationships matter.”
That’s a total non-answer. Of course personal relationships matter. What does that have to do with what kind of car you want to drive?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 11 2025 1:28 utc | 139

Of course Russia and China spy on each other. There is no perfect trust between nations nor should there be.
China has been “neutral” in the war, as in they have provided weapons to both sides and made money.
Is there any actual news in the article?

Posted by: Afro | Jun 11 2025 1:30 utc | 140

Putin has committed two grave errors that warrant the attempts on his life.
1/ Not being sufficiently deferential to Trump.
2/ Not being sufficiently anti-China.
While much has been said about Putin’s infatuation with the West and the possibility of anti-West hardliners taking Putin’s place should Putin be assassinated, few have considered the alternate possibility of ardently pro-West puppets coming into power after Putin’s death, and how this alternate possibility can be the motive behind the assassination attempts.
On many occasions, Trump has expressed his frustration at Putin due to Putin’s refusal to sell out Russia’s interests just because Trump said some nice things about Putin. The situation is likely to persist forever because Trump has a very specific idea of what constitutes a “deal”, and there is no “deal” from Trump that would interest Putin. Trump must walk out of any negotiation with a win that can be credited to him. Furthermore, the other side must be shown to have conclusively lost to Trump, to have metaphorically (and perhaps literally) kissed Trump’s ass. That is Trump’s idea of a deal.
Trump also wants to start a war with China while still being able to call himself the peace president. To accomplish that, Trump will do what Americans do best: start a proxy war. Trump wants to use Russia to do the job. The problem is, despite all the concerted effort from America to break the two country’s partnership, Putin has always signaled that Russia and China stand together. If Putin cannot be persuaded, then Putin needs to be removed.
Incidentally, there has been a narrative shift here on MoA and elsewhere to facilitate Trump’s desired outcome of a proxy war. It used to be that when Putin refuses to cause mass Ukrainian civilian casualties, the most common narrative on MoA was that Putin believed in not killing fellow Slavic brothers. Now, the narrative being pushed is that Putin is showing restraint due to the presence of Chinese infrastructure in Ukraine. This newer narrative implies that the leader of Russia, Putin, is subordinating Russia’s interest to China’s, which will fuel Russian resentment against China and against Putin.
Plenty of useful idiots in Russia are ready to do the bidding of American masters should Putin be deposed. There are Russian capitalists who were reined in by Putin so that they may serve Russia’s interests instead of hollowing out Russia for the sake of Western capitalists. They’d happy to bring Russia back to the wild west days when the USSR has just collapsed and every state asset was up for looting. There are also Russian capitalists who were forced to divest from the West due to the recent conflict with Ukraine, and they are very eager to rejoin the West. Let’s not forget fascists like Dugin who are often praised by the MAGA crowd in MoA due to their strong affection for Trump. Dugin established the Nazbol party. The “Naz” in Nazbol stands for National and the flag is a copy of the Nazi flag. Dugin or politicians who adhere to Dugin’s worldview would start a war with China in a heartbeat if Washington asked them to.
Since the MAGA crowd loves plausible deniability, I can envision a scenario for how a Trump-orchestrated hit on Putin would play out. Trump can just say that he told some underlings to take care of the Putin problem without specifying the method to be used, and that he is completely caught by surprise that his underlings resorted to violent methods. Take care could mean so many things, like maybe sending Putin flowers and an apology card, so how could Trump know he’d be so grossly misinterpreted? As punishment, the underlings responsible for the assassination would be forced to retire and would spend their remaining days atoning for their crimes in a tropical resort on an island filled with underage girls. Then Trump would say that what’s done is done and that “we” should make the best of the situation by installing a Western puppet in Moscow.

Posted by: All Under Heaven | Jun 11 2025 1:39 utc | 141

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 11 2025 1:22 utc | 140

Terrorism, like online troll farms, are tools of the weak. The Kissingerian assertion that the elephant must react because the ant bit it is truly ridiculous. If the unhinged dipshits running the West drag Russia into escalation, it’s not going to be of a flavor they like and it won’t be Russia that bears the blame. I find it curious how many of you fuckwits are essentially singing from the same hymn book. Russia must respond, you and Indian Punchline, who himself has become a joke since Trumps election, claim. I think Russia is responding, slow cooking the testicles of the people who are needling Russia into an overreaction they can use to sell the Western population on accepting food rationing so the Muskian fucktard oligarch class can run a war with nuclear armed Russia.
Get real. The West has already lost. Its just too stupid to realize it yet.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2025 1:43 utc | 142

By the way, even to an amateur the attempts to drive a wedge between China and Russia look amateurish, like sophomoric. Masters of the universe, my ass.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2025 1:49 utc | 143

Is this is the same Russia that these same sources say is too feeble to win the war in the Ukraine?

Posted by: Aaron | Jun 11 2025 2:17 utc | 144

‘Attack Nato’ meaning a nuclear confrontation. Possible scenarios :
1. If NATO crosses lines that clearly threaten the existence of Russia.
2. If either Russia or NATO miscalculate the intentions of the other.
3. If either Russia or NATO believe they have a workable advantage (for example feel sure they might disable the nuclear deterrent of the other).
4. If a faction of either is not concerned about the anilihation of mankind as we know it (because they have secured a means to survive the confrontation) they might purposefully initiate a nuclear exchange
5. By system error, or by rogue outfit initiating a nuclear exchange.
6. By proxy escalation. This could fit into various above categories. Example would be a false flag attack, NATO tactical weapons being used on disputed territory (annexed Ukraine for example) , “Israel” Samson appearing ‘biased’ etc.

Posted by: Ornot | Jun 11 2025 2:19 utc | 145

All of this discussion about an asymmetrical response in the prior thread with a whole panoply with everyone’s list of most desired targets is amusing, but it doesn’t really offer any cogent analysis.
1. Can we put away the cope and recognize the reality that the strike diminished Russia’s strategic offensive capabilities to some extent? Regardless of whatever opinion people might have about the effectiveness or usefulness of strategic bombers in a nation’s overall military approach in the age of drone warfare, the world’s three largest military powers (USA, Russia, and China) continue to maintain and expand their strategic bomber inventory. And the platforms damaged / destroyed have been used extensively in the minor kinetic war in Ukraine. Destroying more than two per year likely outpaces Russia’s replacement capacity.
2. The scrappy little don’t quit fighter Ukraine doesn’t have the ability to have executed this operation. This was planned and executed by another western power. The UK is basically a toothless mutt at this point only capable of loud barking and occasionally gnawing annoyingly on the slow and feeble. NATO is even weaker. They’re basically a meat warehouse to perpetuate “Ukrainian” military deaths. Sure they’ll all end up “donating” military equipment in a wide range of effectiveness and capability until they’ve depleted the personnel and equipment necessary to stave off the reestablishment of the great Moorish kingdom across the entire western European landmass. Can we grow up and admit that these attacks were not planned or executed by Ukraine? It’s becoming apparent that this entire war is an American production. This isn’t USMIC. They are bloated and stupid. This is some kind of special operations group. It’s a CIA led operation utilizing SAC/SOG with heavy assistance from DARPA and assorted off-project MIC wizards funded with a whole train of black budgets. Ukraine isn’t a proxy. A proxy has agency. Ukraine does not. Ukraine is nothing but a loud puppet who screams I Did That whenever an American operation achieves a positive outcome. The USA is downright fastidious about maintaining the illusion that everything is planned, designed, built, and delivered from Ukraine. And that won’t change even if rump Ukraine is a thin sliver of land inside the eastern border of Poland.
3. Any proportional response must in some way diminish the USA’s strategic offensive or defensive capabilities. Anything less than that merely “proves” that the USA is strong and Russia is weak. Maybe that perception doesn’t mean doodly, but it will impact Russian geopolitical ability to lead or heavily influence the rest of the world coalition represented by BRICS. If Russia is not capable of a response of that type and (relative) magnitude, then it’s apparent that Russia has lost this aspect of the war. There’s nothing short of an impressive demonstration of pluck to dissuade or otherwise prevent whichever actor is engaged in attacks of this kind inside Russia from continuing. They can’t build enough missiles or launch vehicles to protect everything everywhere. It may be capable of deferring the inevitable for decades, but, without some significant alteration to the calculus, the outcome of the slow whittling away of surface naval and strategic aviation fleets is maybe unchangeable.
I say maybe because the US is in a demographic death spiral caused by the abandonment of Christianity for assorted forms of practical or literal atheism, pantheism, paganism and whatnot that shows no sign of relenting. The great replacement hypothesis seems to be going up in flames in California. A few rightly placed donations of money, manpads, inexpensive automatic weapons, and explodey things funded by Russian oligarchs impersonating Soros could accelerate the devolution of order in the United States. Who knows how that could play out. I’ve got guesses, but my overall opinion favors the angry wackatroids and rightly paranoid self-defenders over the befuddled bureaucrats.
Russia has its own demographic issues. Slo-mo is strategically and tactically smart. Minimize loss of personnel and equipment that might be needed for defense in a direct invasion someday soon with Moors from the west, Saracens from the south, and Mongols and Zhongguoren from the east. Maybe even feisty euroleftovers from across the oceans.
As far as invading or attacking other NATO countries, only an imbecile would consider that a possibility. In short – all of moroNato land. Russia isn’t playing the part of a bear. They are playing the part of a solid iron curtain if you will upon which they are content to let idiots smash their skulls. All this doesn’t bode well for some miraculous future brain growth that could cause USA / NATO / Ukraine to give up on this unwinnable war. They could eventually eliminate the entire strategic bomber fleet in a hundred or thousand brilliant fake Ukrainian attacks and it doesn’t diminish Russia’s ability to fire thousands of nukes at whomever might invade or escalate attacks on them. Or blow up the next strategic bomber. Maybe make that a more precise red line. You keep destroying our strategic assets and we start deploying what we have before you destroy them. Pick a location in Europe. Some place with minimal Americans. Announce the intent to nuke it the next time “Ukraine” hits a strategic bomber sitting on a distant tarmac or any strategic offensive or defense weapon. Geilenkirchen, Sigonella, and Ørland have all been participating in the war. All fair targets. Keep away from USA. We’re nuts. We’ll nuke you back. We’ve got no way to shoot down your nukes unless we can figure out how to catapult a littoral combat ship or some other useless and expensive white elephant into one.

Posted by: AverageJoe | Jun 11 2025 2:20 utc | 146

A more pertinent question, or hypothetical scenario, is whether Israel will attack Turkey (NATO)?

Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 11 2025 2:25 utc | 147

Got to love these “Putin will attack Europe in 8 years” hallucinations. What if Putin isn’t here in 8 years? What if there’s someone in charge who’s much less patient and instead of trying to negotiate and compromise year after year, simply blasts the jew and is done with it?
It’s inconceivable now, but global awareness of the shitshow is increasing.
Europe would be saved if that happens.

Posted by: Jack M | Jun 11 2025 2:41 utc | 148

Posted by: AverageJoe | Jun 11 2025 2:20 utc | 150

As I said, too stupid to realize it yet. I rest my case.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2025 2:45 utc | 149

Я приветствую вас, господин Путин

Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 11 2025 2:49 utc | 150

more pertinent question, or hypothetical scenario, is whether Israel will attack Turkey (NATO)?
Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 11 2025 2:25 utc | 151
Why would Israel attack Turkey?

Posted by: Afro | Jun 11 2025 2:57 utc | 151

Posted by: Afro | Jun 11 2025 2:57 utc | 155
Given the schizophrenia and duplicity in today’s geopolitics, maybe Israel will attack the USA!

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 3:14 utc | 152

Russia attacking NATO means after sometime somebody will begin to loose or show signs of losing and the solution/exit would be the nuclear option. Russia has already shown its restraint and inventing of steps in the escalation process and does not want to be on this path of inevitability. On the other hand NATO would love to attack Russia, however IMO it knows it would lose a nuclear exchange and therefore would be suicide to start one on purpose.

Posted by: MG | Jun 11 2025 3:18 utc | 153

If Russia does not establish some sort of deterrence, the sabotage and terrorism, such as that at the theater or the attack on the strategic bombers, will only increase.

Posted by: Afro | Jun 11 2025 3:20 utc | 154

“Russia Will Attack NATO in 2 Years or 3 Years or 5 Years or 8 Years” is a fail-safe Euro-centric marketing slogan.
Like climate alarmism, it projects fuzzily into the future that a hideous event—Russia’s attack—will happen.
As w/ climate alarmism, too, it fudges the prediction sufficiently, using a sliding scale timeline—2-8 years—to keep everyone on tenterhooks.
In 2 years, when Russia has *not* attacked NATO, the fear-mongering marketers can update their slogan w/ falsified intel indicating that an attack will happen in ‘x’ amount of time.
It’s also a bid to promote the relevancy of European NATO, using as *proof* the notion that NATO is so important, so vital, it is constantly living rent-free in Russia’s head: when Russia isn’t enacting brutality against maternity hospitals & nursing homes in Ukraine (/s), Russia is plotting how and when and where to attack a defensive alliance like NATO.
Note, too, that as NATO’s relevance slips, especially in its failure to defeat Russia w/ its proxy, the marketing slogan has to be especially chiseled, especially urgent, especially shrill enough to garner attention.
NATO has not had a ‘W’ for a while.
They’ve watched Russia burn through their most bespoke & boutique of conventional weaponry.
Talk, now, is all NATO’s got.
Come 24-25 June, The Hague will be the epicenter of Euro-impotence.
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Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 11 2025 3:23 utc | 155

A somewhat dead comment thread. In an engineering concern, the old machinist or spanner monkey would ask the new apprentice to go to the tool room manager and ask for a long wait.
The evil ruskies are somewhat slow to saddle but do nothing by half measures. Battles are somewhat meaningless when it comes to winning wars. So now there s a hiatus while we await the considered rather than knee jerk response of the Ruskies. Perhaps it will be a strike to the liver, perhaps a strike to the nuts, but it will be felt.
Putin backed up by Bambino vs wild card henry. Bambino – China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahwJF5AcsGA

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 11 2025 3:37 utc | 156

God, our MSM are as much of warmongering morons as our incompetent, sociopathic politicians.
Russia DOES however have every reason to attack NATO, given its recent provocations, but Russia will not.
The real question is, WHAT WOULD cause Russia to attack NATO???
Maybe that’s what our warmongering morons really want. They are all separated from reality. The dream of conquering Russia still plays in their nighttime fantasies

Posted by: Kay | Jun 11 2025 3:50 utc | 157

God, our MSM are as much of warmongering morons as our incompetent, sociopathic politicians.
Russia DOES however have every reason to attack NATO, given its recent provocations, but Russia will not.
The real question is, WHAT WOULD cause Russia to attack NATO???
Maybe that’s what our warmongering morons really want. They are all separated from reality. The dream of conquering Russia still plays in their nighttime fantasies

Posted by: Kay | Jun 11 2025 3:50 utc | 158

Will the next Russian leader have such warm ties with Xi, or is that a Putin-only phenomenon?
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 20:54 utc | 79
All marriages are marriages of convenience.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2025 4:06 utc | 159

hiding from Chinese soldiers
Posted by: Andrew Sarchus | Jun 10 2025 22:10 utc | 101
This is a testimony to the power of Anglo American propaganda.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2025 4:08 utc | 160

not responding to determined provocations has to be the best move.
this includes propaganda. we should evolve.

Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 11 2025 4:12 utc | 161

@ Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2025 4:06 utc | 163
that is incomplete… there is such a thing as compatibility too which counts for a huge amount that your comment doesn’t take into account..

Posted by: james | Jun 11 2025 4:21 utc | 162

Posted by: bevin | Jun 10 2025 17:38 utc | 14
Thank you for an intelligent informative post. It is absolutely true. It is the USA which has broken agreements since 1945.
As you pointed out Lenin and co were surprised that Bolshevism took root in peasant, not industrial societies ie Russia then China. He expected the rebellion in Germany. They got Hitler instead. Sadly this is always a possible direction for revolutions. Not left but far right.
If there is a revolution in the USA, I expect it to go fascist not socialist.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 11 2025 4:37 utc | 163

“All marriages are marriages of convenience”.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 11 2025 4:06 utc | 163
While the US continues to have a complete misunderstanding of Marxism and continued belief that ‘commies’ are everywhere and Russia is still the USSR, China and Russia will continue to be allies. American administrations whether Democrat or Republican also don’t seem to realise that if you target two countries in the same way with sanctions and hate speech and they share common borders and histories involving Marxist revolutions, they will no doubt join fronts if needed to destroy the US, just as the US is trying to destroy them.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 4:43 utc | 164

The latest Scott Ritter and Glenn Diesen video has Scott making a strong case that Russia must respond in a way that tells the EU/UK/US folks that the nuclear bomber attack is not acceptable and they better not go there again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM7sOk8lwZA
The shit show continues until it doesn’t and maybe Russia is going to cause drastic loosening or tightening up [maybe both] of most Western leaders soon.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 11 2025 4:54 utc | 165

Borzzikman claims Russia wiped out M16 headquarters in Kiev. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkp7pDmtc4c

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 4:55 utc | 166

As you pointed out Lenin and co were surprised that Bolshevism took root in peasant, not industrial societies ie Russia then China. He expected the rebellion in Germany. They got Hitler instead. Sadly this is always a possible direction for revolutions. Not left but far right.
If there is a revolution in the USA, I expect it to go fascist not socialist.
Posted by: watcher | Jun 11 2025 4:37 utc | 167
So, Hitler came well after the German revolution was undermined by Stalin in 1923. Stalin also divided the KPD against the SDP in the 30s, reducing a communist majority to two separate, weaker, confused parties. That enabled Hitlers electoral victory. Then Stalin made a deal with Hitler, which bought him time to build up his military, neutralize France and several other surrounding countries.
And we’re supposed to believe your prediction of a fascist revolution in the US, present day?
Get the past right before you endeavor to predict the future, “watcher”.

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 11 2025 4:56 utc | 167

Putin hasn’t put it to the Duma to turn the SMO into a CTO.
Once he does, Zelensky, Budanov, Sirsky, and the other “skies” will become targets.
They are already hunting British analysts and officers. I heard today that they have gotten most of the ones involved in planning the attack on strategic assets. They got a group of them in Odessa.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 5:15 utc | 168

Col.Lawrance Wilkinson has accused Mossad and US Intelligence of “knowledge” of apparent assassination attempt on Putin.
The colour Revolution being launched in LA, Dallas and other places could be a coup attempt.
Doctorow’s take is Trump cannot pull out of Ukraine and Israel without the support of Congress, hence his flip flopping messages to confuse the enemies within.
Martyanov draws attention to Russia changing the “Coast Guard” doctrines that will empower them to take deadly action against acts of piracy.
The move to ATO means the current Regime are terrorists and its leaders will be earmarked for elimination.
Time to brush up on Chechen War history.

Posted by: Suresh | Jun 11 2025 5:37 utc | 169

“They are already hunting British analysts and officers. I heard today that they have gotten most of the ones involved in planning the attack on strategic assets. They got a group of them in Odessa.”
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 11 2025 5:15 utc | 172
I had heard it involved the British MI6 in Kiev. That’s why they hit the building that contained it as Borzzikman has revealed.
Ukraine says 13 dead in Odessa, but it’s probably more.
It’s a good way to get back at NATO and the fools in the UK without going outside Ukraine

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 5:42 utc | 170

The war between Russia and NATO is inevitable. The more the West will sink morally in its current cesspool the more it will become a danger for Russia. Not militarily but morally, it will affect society inside Russia. Similarly, in the past, with European countries forming a coalition to suppress the movement of the French revolution or the second world war which was a fight against communism. Its a kind of a law of nature. It has always been like that. It is not something humans can prevent to happen.

Posted by: hubert | Jun 11 2025 5:55 utc | 171

re: Doctor Eleven | Jun 11 2025 1:43 utc | 146
You’re a jerk and a simpleton who has to resort to hurling insults to try to compensate for your pathetic attempts to sound authoritative.

Posted by: Perimetr | Jun 11 2025 6:04 utc | 172

They dont want Russias resources to shore up a failing economic monster, they want the resources because they believe they are entitled to them as spoils of war, the Cold War to be exact.
The economies are all illusion anyway – if mathematically unpayable 35 trillion debt doesnt make the house of cards fall down, then 100 quadrillion wont either. The COMEX paper gold hand wavery, the Gamestop shares ownership trickery, the derivative scam…. they have literally millions of ways to keep the game rolling without owning Russias physical resources.

Posted by: nobody | Jun 11 2025 6:26 utc | 173

@George | Jun 11 2025 3:14 utc | 156

Given the schizophrenia and duplicity in today’s geopolitics, maybe Israel will attack the USA!

You mean blow up sky scrapers in major cities and pretend some arabs did it? Are you a conspiracy theorist?

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 11 2025 6:41 utc | 174

The cheerleaders of the military-industrial-media complex are trying to press people and governments into handing more money to them.

This is what’s going on: the ramping up of defense spending in Western Europe in general but really aimed at Germany has only one purpose: to help the USA pass thru the coming fiscal crisis due to excessive USA federal government indebtment (i.e. help acheiving a soft landing).
The Russia threat is a good excuse, but what Germany must do is to go into debt itself to help America, fulfilling its role as an American asset and vassal. The other major American vassal, Japan, did the same in 1985.
This consumption of Germany by America will have two main aspects: (1) very large contracts for American MIC (this will be in the news) and (2) purchase of USA treasuries and other measures for financial support of USA federal debt (this will not be in the news).

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 6:50 utc | 175

@Norwegian
… the saying is history doesn’t repeat itself … a terror state, always a terror state … culturally determined over so many generations … hasbara killed the cat.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 11 2025 6:57 utc | 176

“You mean blow up sky scrapers in major cities and pretend some arabs did it? Are you a conspiracy theorist?”
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 11 2025 6:41 utc | 178
What you have said would just be a false flag. No conspiracy theory needed. The schizophrenia is real, however, and it is getting harder to decipher the motivations of countries that say one thing yet do another to cover their false flags, psyops, and involvements in terrorism.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 6:59 utc | 177

“So, Hitler came well after the German revolution was undermined by Stalin in 1923. Stalin also divided the KPD against the SDP in the 30s, reducing a communist majority to two separate, weaker, confused parties. That enabled Hitlers electoral victory. Then Stalin made a deal with Hitler, which bought him time to build up his military, neutralize France and several other surrounding countries.”
Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 11 2025 4:56 utc | 171
A lot packed into that paragraph! And absolutely spot on.
Hard to do better than E.H. Carr’s little book German-Soviet Relations Between the Two World Wars 1919-1939
See especially Ch. IV: Germany Faces Both Ways

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 11 2025 7:06 utc | 178

@George | Jun 11 2025 6:59 utc | 181
My post came with a hidden /s , and hidden quotes around “conspiracy theorist”.
Of course it would be a false flag, just like the other ones.

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 11 2025 7:06 utc | 179

Larry Johnson is describing his current trip to Moscow.
He was with Lavrov in a Q&A session. This is what Lavrov said at some point:

This [Ukrainian operations inside Russia] is a rather serious threat. Obviously, Ukraine is responsible for all that but it would be helpless without the support of the Anglo-Saxons. We can omit the Saxons now and just say, without the support of the English. It is possible that, by inertia, US intelligence services are still involved, but the British are involved 100 percent.

The point I want to remark is that Lavrov sees the conflict with a racial prism. He’s not talking about nations but about races.
In this he agrees with yours humbly (and with grandma). I’ve often expressed here my view that bottomline, this is the Anglo race (whose elites foolishly think they’re the master eurorace) trying to take down the Slav race, just like Anglo and Slav worked together to take down the German race in the past century.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 7:07 utc | 180

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 7:07 utc | 184
I forgot to add: those that think this is about attacking and plundering Russia to capture resources are falling for a façade that hides the true and more primitive motivation: chimp tribal enmity and racism pure and simple.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 7:12 utc | 181

Posted by: Ahenobarbus | Jun 11 2025 4:56 utc | 171
Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 11 2025 7:06 utc | 182
Cutesy nazist tics quickly devolving into hitlerite spasms
Careful with those arms, Drs. Strangelove, a taxi might heed your calls.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 11 2025 7:47 utc | 182

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 11 2025 7:06 utc | 183
I get it.
It’s interesting that much of what we discuss on these pages are notions of conspiracy from certain groups: oligarchs, cabals, deep state, MIC, NATO,CIA, etc. etc.
And because we have been inundated with many unproven new age conspiracies which contain little evidence and have trivialised the concept, we are now at risk of missing a genuine conspiracy when and if it does happen.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 8:01 utc | 183

No one with any brains wants the latest BMW when they could have an attractive self-parking and self-driving vehicle. Maybe people with really low self-esteem.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 21:04 utc | 84
Point being people like choices and if all the latest stuff (that could easily be hacked) is your thing that’s fine.
It’s like automatic motorcycles great but not for me.
The point I’m making is Russians want to buy trade and travel. This hysterical emotionally incontinent screaming from Rutte is demented in a very malevolent manner.
Before he retired, a friend of mine
worked for a vehicle breakdown recovery service here in Britain, and some time ago I asked which brands of vehicle he was called out to recover the most; without much hesitation he replied “Mercedes, BMW and Audi” with the least-affected brands being Toyota and Honda.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 10 2025 21:11 utc | 87
Hear the same. Have a 1.9 tdi which will chug on.
Posted by: saner | Jun 10 2025 21:57 utc | 100
You bit hard but I fully agree with you about cars full of idiot aids.
But I like the lights that follow into the corners.

Posted by: jpc | Jun 11 2025 8:10 utc | 184

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 11 2025 7:47 utc | 186
Trots cannot help themselves but to come up with stories about Stalin.

Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 11 2025 8:13 utc | 185

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 7:07 utc | 184
It’s true that the existence of a plurality of races is an outdated concept and related to the 19th Century theory of racialism. I came to the conclusion quite few years ago that even the word ‘racism’ was actually racist because it implies there are many races when there are not. Scientifically speaking, there is so little genetic difference between human beings we can only conclude that there is only one race called the human race. Everything else is more or less only cultural differences.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 8:13 utc | 186

Naval mine explosion in Zatoka of Odesa region
That’s a promising development. Russia has the world’s largest stockpile of naval mines. Not all types are banned. Western Black Sea should be laid with mines.

Posted by: Jason | Jun 11 2025 8:16 utc | 187

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 7:12 utc | 185
Not much genetic difference between a chimp and a human being. We seem to carry on the same warring and aggressive nature as Chimps do in patrolling their borders, but if we had been more like Bonobos (the chimp look-alikes on the other side of the Congo River) we’d be having sex all day instead.
Maybe the other side of the mountain is the same, but not the other side of the river.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 8:21 utc | 188

@Boomslang | Jun 10 2025 17:46 utc | 19
I agree about that the west is predicting 5 years because they need to maintain the intensity of the propaganda until they have been able to match Russias technology.
I think both China and Russia believe the same thing and that this is a reason why they make efforts not to help the western lies.
The irongrip on opinion making in the west is the issue for all of us. It delays any awakening among the brainwashed sheeple

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Jun 11 2025 8:23 utc | 189

“Western Black Sea should be laid with mines”.
Posted by: Jason | Jun 11 2025 8:16 utc | 191
Zelensky’s side did that in the early part of the war but it didn’t help grain ships get out of the port, many were stuck there for months. Of course the Russians were blame for the mines. There’s still lots of mines around Crimea I understand that were actually laid by Russia

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 8:34 utc | 190

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 8:21 utc | 192
Well, our liberals are the bonobos (bonobos also play gay and lesbian games) but with chimp’s tribal warring and aggressive nature still very much active.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 8:40 utc | 191

NPRK 170mm self propelled howitzers have been deployed to the Kreminna Forrest and the AFU can only watch and wait.
https://t.me/s/i20028843/248966

Posted by: too scents | Jun 11 2025 8:54 utc | 192

Here’s SL Kanthan’s take on Russia – Europe aggression.
Which pretty much converges with my amateur history and blaming the ousted Khazarian Empire and its bloody sheepskin wearing wolves of the steppes hiding behind a convert religion and running the whole show of zionazi fascism ever since – turning Europe into its imperial mercenary proxy forces forever being thrown as meat to retake EurAsia!
Or something like that.
https://xcancel.com/Sputnik_India/status/1927657847510245485
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🚨🇷🇺 Who Controls the Past, Controls the Future – Orwell.
For 800 years, Europe has been trying to conquer Russia. And it continues today with Ukraine as the proxy tool for NATO.
Here’s the history you’re not being told.
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🇷🇺📝Let’s start with a summary of European aggression against Russia:
🔹~800 years ago: Sweden attacked Russia
🔹~400 years ago, it was Poland-Lithuania
🔹~300 years ago, Sweden again, with UK
🔹~200 years ago, France (Napoleon) tried it
🔹~175 years ago, France + UK (Crimean War)
🔹~100 years ago, Russian revolution & WW1
🔹~80 years ago, Hitler backed by globalists
🔹Now, NATO waging proxy war via Ukraine
🤔 But Russia is somehow the threat to Europe!
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🇷🇺 Russian fascinating history goes back to the 9th century, when “Kievan Rus” was founded. Yes, the same Kiev that has now forgotten its roots.
But Russia faced an existential threat from a surprising source – Mongols, who established the largest contiguous empire in human history!
⚔️ Genghis Khan had dreamed of conquering Russia, and his grandson made it come true when he conquered Kiev in 1240.
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🇷🇺🇸🇪 Sweden may be a little, inconsequential country now, but it was once a powerful empire, which constantly waged wars against Russia for centuries.
In 1240, when Russians were busy fighting the Mongols, the opportunistic Sweden tried to conquer Novgorod, the northern part of Russia.
⚔️ Although the Swedes were defeated in the Battle of the Neva, they would not learn their lesson for another 500 years.
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🇸🇪👑 At its peak in the 17th century, the Swedish Empire’s territorial holdings included modern-day Sweden, Finland, Estonia, Latvia, parts of Norway, and parts of what is now Germany, Poland, and Russia.
🇷🇺💪 Driven by hubris and greed, Charles XII of Sweden attacked Russia in the early 1700s, but was soundly defeated by Peter I the Great at the Battle of Poltava.
This catastrophic war against Russia led to the tombstone of the Swedish empire. It was a watershed moment in the history of Russia and Europe.
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🇷🇺🕊️ Russia’s innate instinct has always been to avoid conflicts, but geography and geopolitics would make it impossible.
For example, it was the external threat that led to the founding of Moscow in 1326 as the capital of the Russian Empire, which would last for another 600 years.
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🇷🇺🛡️ Attack Russia, Commit suicide.
🇵🇱 Poland is another country that plays victim now, but was once an aggressive empire that constantly attacked Russia for a thousand years.
In fact, in 1612, the Poland-Lithuania Empire invaded Russia and even briefly occupied Moscow.
⚔️ The Polish-Russian war of 1654 was the final blow after which, what is now Ukraine became a part of Russia, and Poland went down a path of irreversible decline.
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🇷🇺🤔You know what it takes to defeat Russia?
The largest army in the history of Europe!
🇫🇷 Well, that’s what Napoleon Bonaparte thought. And he tried. He built an army of more than 1 million soldiers from all over Europe – Germany, Poland, Italy, Spain, Netherlands etc.
And in 1812, Napoleon invaded Russia and thought he could win in just three weeks. Interestingly, he had even carefully studied the disastrous Swedish invasion of Russia a century earlier.
🙄 Once again, another European power underestimated the Russian resolve and strength.
Napoleon briefly conquered Moscow but retreated. In the end, he lost more than half a million soldiers, making it one of the deadliest military operations in history.
🇷🇺🏆 Just over one year later, Russia defeated Napoleon and conquered Paris.
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🇷🇺 Perhaps, Russia should have stayed and colonized France, but Russians were too nice.
🇬🇧🇫🇷 Thus, 40 years later, the French joined the British and the Ottoman Empire (current 🇹🇷 Turkey) in attacking Crimea.
By the way, it’s the same reason that the US staged a coup in Ukraine in 2014. The goal was to kick Russia out of Crimea, a very strategic place for Russia – in terms of a warm-water naval base and access to the Mediterranean Sea and global trade.
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🇩🇪 130 years after Napoleon, guess who invaded Russia? Yeah, Hitler.
👉 The Russians once again had to defend themselves and save the world in WW2. About 25 million Russians lost their lives while destroying 80% of the Nazi military. (The US came in at the last minute and then made 1000s of Hollywood movies and TV shows about America defeating Nazi Germany).
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🇷🇺🕵🏻Proxy Wars against Russia
By the end of the 19th century, Russia had become very powerful. Thus, the West started engaging in proxy wars and “color revolutions.”
🇯🇵 At the start of the 20th century, the US funded Japan to attack and destroy the Russian navy. Simultaneously, the West encouraged the first “Russian revolution,” which failed.
👉 Next came, the 1917 “revolution,” which was heavily financed by the bankers of Wall Street and Europe. This one succeeded due to the strains of WW1.
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🇷🇺 Although the allies temporarily befriended Russia during WW2, the West immediately went back to embracing Russophobia.
🤯 In fact, “Operation Unthinkable” – a plan to attack Russia — was drawn up just weeks after the fall of Nazi Germany. The British and the Americans planned to use Nazi prisoner of war to invade Russia!
🌐 The Cold War was also unnecessary and simply reflected the anti-Russia sentiment of the globalists who control the West.
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🇷🇺🙏 When Russia agreed to shut down the USSR, it hoped to end centuries of animosity and start a new chapter of friendship and cooperation.
Alas, the psychopaths of the West would have none of that.
🕵🏻All through the 1990s, the West tried to implode the Russian economy and balkanize the country. NATO also kept expanding, rather being dismantled when the Cold War ended.
🎭 When Putin came to power and revitalized Russia, the US staged color revolutions in Georgia and Ukraine, installed puppets, and turned them into geopolitical weapons.
The American coup of 2014 – Maidan “Revolution” – was the final straw that set Ukraine down the path of destruction.
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💡🇷🇺 If you have read through this thread, it would be obvious why Russia cannot afford to ignore Ukraine now.
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NATO is just a modern version of historical Mongols, Swedes, Poles-Lithuanians, Brits, Napoleon, Hitler etc.
👉 As for the US Empire, it cannot rule the world without the defeat of Russia, the largest country on earth by area.
As for Europeans, they do not understand that they are now simply the pawns of globalists. And young Europeans are certainly not taught the history of their own aggression against Russia.
🤔 Perhaps, Europe needs one more defeat, destruction and humiliation before they would accept Russia as an equal partner with whom they must coexist and prosper in Eurasia.
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Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 11 2025 9:02 utc | 193

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 11 2025 8:40 utc | 195
Middle of the river types then. Possibly the third and worst species.

Posted by: George | Jun 11 2025 9:04 utc | 194

In five years time the Ukrainian situation will have stabilized in Russia’s favor, and Putin will have gone in retirement. Remember: you read it here first.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 10 2025 17:36 utc | 13

No . I’ve previously read it somewhere else. This is not the first by a long stretch.

Posted by: Fírean | Jun 11 2025 9:18 utc | 195

After the war, none of the leaders of the Kyiv military-artistic junta will remain in the Ukraine they destroyed and plundered. Most of them, led by Zelensky, will go to their historical homeland in Israel, the rest will go to their relatives in Armenia, Georgia and Turkey.
I bet that Zelensky will end his life in the IsraClinic for drug addicts. If the British special services do not decide to liquidate him earlier.

–ROGOZIN

Posted by: dodo | Jun 11 2025 9:54 utc | 196

It was meant to be triggering to the emotionally incontinent.
Than you for replying.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 10 2025 21:44 utc | 95
Look barflies lovedonbass has openly admitted its a troll.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 11 2025 10:00 utc | 197

Russia is never going to wage war against NATO for good reasons. One is the defense spending disparity which will widen in coming years.
Posted by: Jason | Jun 10 2025 21:56 utc | 99
Except now another terrorist organization is already spending 4-5times what Russia does on systems that aren’t up to mustard. Natorists got nothing but blanks. Lots of blanks mind you, blanks nonetheless.

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 11 2025 10:05 utc | 198

Applying the first principle of war:
Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.
I was initially disappointed when neither Russia nor China seemed willing to intervene in the Gaza genocide, even diplomatically.
But while most people are still not willing to risk being tarred as Antisemitic for fear of Jewish reprisal, yet opinion polls in the west have recently tilted against Israel (catching up with the global south opinion).
Israel will eventually be widely (and safely) condemned for their brazen practice of genocide, as will the US for enabling them. Post WW2 (“the good war”) moral high ground for the US is inverting, and this will prove crucial to Russia and China as they portray themselves as the new geopolitical gold standard.
So Russia will not now Nuke anything and risk not taking home that medal. It will soon enough be:
Gold: China
Silver: Russia
Bronze: Iran
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Posted by: mrh | Jun 11 2025 10:09 utc | 199

Russia will never consider a direct attack on NATO any time soon. If they wanted to go there … then it would already be done by now.
Their methodology has been consistently slow and cautious, and playing the long game. Clearly, this must be working because we get endless trolls here and many other places who constantly thump the table demanding that Putin must man up and do this and that … whatever Troll Central thinks is a sufficiently stupid idea. If Putin was genuinely making a mistake, then we would not see so many desperate people trying to interrupt him.
As for counter-terrorism, it’s a difficult thing and getting more difficult. Inevitably every useful civilian technology gets grabbed and twisted by the warmongers … look at drones, wonderful idea but they have only been around for a decade and someone thinks, “Hey, I could Mcguyver an explosive here and weaponize this”
And that’s why we can’t have nice things … this happens in every nation, not just Eastern Europe. What started as a great little toy gets turned into a way to terrorize and oppress civilians.
You could say the same about radio, aircraft, internal combustion engines, motor vehicles … so many wonderful civilian discoveries have been twisted into weapons, tools for violence, and then we get government crackdowns and everything becomes strictly watched and regulated. Maybe there’s no good answer … if it can be done then someone is going to try it, aren’t they?

Posted by: Tel | Jun 11 2025 10:14 utc | 200