Honest question. What the hell happened to the S-400? No reports of anything fired by Israel being intercepted

Posted by: Winston | Jun 13 2025 14:44 utc | 504

Why should Iran retaliate immediately? It does not have to “appease” its people. It does not need to attack when such an attack is expected. What will happen if it delays its response? Will Israel be able to do further damage? I doubt it. The “spectacular” killing of top military leaders needs to be put in perspective. As the telegram channel middle_East_Spectator has reported:
LINK
“All of the commanders killed by Israel were killed this morning, most of them were killed at an underground bunker during an IRGC Aerospace Force meeting.
The others, like Mohammad Baqeri and Gholam-Ali Rashid, were killed during an attack on the General Staff Headquarters in Tehran.
IRGC Commander-in-Chief Hossein Salami was killed at his home, including most of the scientists, they were also killed at their homes.
The important part: Since morning, no new assassinations have taken place. Only these two locations were targeted.”
Readers do not need to react emotionally. Relax! This ain’t done yet!

Posted by: gb_grave | Jun 13 2025 14:46 utc | 506

We only hear threats from Iran. A real power would push the button without much bla bla. Or even better, strike first.
This talk about retaliation en firing a few rockets as a statement is a sign of pure weekness.
For Israel, I wouldn’t shed a tear if they were wiped from the map. Let them all move to Nevada, comes pretty close I think.

Posted by: Jacob | Jun 13 2025 14:47 utc | 508

“Adding to the chorus. Trumpstein is a treacherous lying reptile, just like his genocidal Izzyhell buddies. May they all burn very very slowly in hell. So tell me Alex Krainer: What was the “good” the homicidal thug Trump did? How much were you paid?”
What about stopping to blame US fascism on a single person? Trump is at best an impotent puppet of this and neither invented nor has he changed the mass murder show of the USA in any way.
His stance on Israel was pretty clear from the start, why ever, probably own a lot of money to some Israelis or whatever. Nothing of this is Trumps idea, simply because this whole shitshow exists since decades and the whole plan that lead up to Iran was created far earlier before he even thought about going into politics.
Reducing this on Trump doesn’t help at all, because this would have happened anyway, the biggest difference is, that you hear more about it thanks to Trump’s verbal diarrhea.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 13 2025 14:47 utc | 510

🇮🇱🇮🇷Iran’s leadership reported that:
1. Iran will continue its nuclear research despite the deaths of scientists and attacks on nuclear facilities.
2. Iran has withdrawn from the nuclear deal negotiations with the US and will not negotiate “until further notice.”
The Iranian parliament called on the country’s leadership to make Iran a nuclear power in terms of possessing nuclear weapons. A logical and understandable demand.
https://t.me/intelslava/75870

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 14:54 utc | 512

Well, there’s just one tiny little problem: The lifeline won’t stop, as the US are under total control of the Jews.
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 13 2025 13:23 utc | 415
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The lifeline is finite.
The US doesn’t have limitless weapons or munitions.

Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 13 2025 14:55 utc | 514

There are two key questions:
a. What condition is Iran’s AD in, and
b. What are China and Russia going to do
If Iran’s AD is really compromised, then the game is over, because they’ll get pummeled by bombing runs, and if they strike back hard enough, they’ll get nuked. I think that much is clear.
If Russia and China are going to stand by and let Iran fight by itself, that puts both Russia’s and China’s long-term aspirations for sovereignty on a slow glide-path to failure.
I’d say the delay in Iran’s response is attributable to both these items, and it’s an appropriate delay.
That delay-time is over once the 2nd bombing run starts, and that’ll be tonight, likely. Whatever AD is functional will be the primary target, so it has to be working by tonight.
Russia and China are under just as much pressure and threat as Iran is, and I’m sure they’re fully aware of it. The time for fence-sitting is over as of today. Israel has calculated that Russia has decided to abandon Iran.
I don’t think “attrition” is going to work, any more than it worked for the Palestinians. When you’re getting everything leveled, it’s tough to put up any sort of resistance.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 13 2025 14:56 utc | 516

How naive is the Israeli leadership to believe that this war is short and decisive, and the blowback will not be necessarily in form of missiles on Israel, but in unpredictable attacks on Jewish and Jews all over the world.
That is their problem now.
They will say, “oh,it was not me, I was against it from the beginning”.
Will you believe that mantra?

Posted by: fanto | Jun 13 2025 14:58 utc | 518

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 13 2025 14:30 utc | 493
I do… I blame Russia,Iran and China for not fighting back appropriately. What is the use of Russia having nukes or even conventional weapons if they don’t have the balls to use them? So Russia is then dying a death of a thousand cuts right?
What use is Iran acting tough all these years if they are afraid of fighting back to Israel or the USA when the time comes. So when is the right time, Iran? When the Israelis, US or the proxies of these two are already roaming the streets of Iran? Will Russia and China sign onto carving out spheres of influence in Iran , for the US and Israel ,like they did in Syria? Wasn’t the second carve – up and betrayal of “Czechoslovakia “ enough last year? Will we see it again in Iran.
It has been said that Iran’s S400 were switched off, meaning switched off when Iran wanted them on. Did Russia betray Iran to Israel for a second time in twenty years, by giving TelAviv/Jaffa the S400 codes?
Use it or lose it , Iran! Learn to fight like the Greeks and Russians did in the Persian Wars and WWII respectively; to the death , and burn everything in the path of the enemy.
Maybe democracy is not made to win wars on its own land. Maybe a benign but strong clever despot is needed after all. I am losing faith in the nationstate rapidly. I now believe that no good will come from any extant leader of any extant state. For the world to change, you will need a popular uprising in the USA to stop the domestic rot and foreign wars. Only then can popular uprisings in the rest of the world get rid of their vassal leaders. Only then will the people return to or even gain for the first time the livelihoods of the West of the Fifties and Sixties.

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 13 2025 14:59 utc | 520

🇮🇱🇮🇷Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard:
The gates of hell will soon open on the murderous Zionist enemy.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151215

Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 15:00 utc | 522

“Good point. A trait they have in common with the Third Reich. It was also good at shock and awe and quick lightning strikes. When it became bogged down in long campaigns, its wheels started to come off.”
Posted by: Waldorf
Please, stop it. Die Deutsche Wehrmacht war die beste Armee aller Zeiten. Don’t you dare mention this army in the same breath as the US Army or the IDF.

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 13 2025 15:02 utc | 524

Counter to my expectations Israel has launched a war against Iran …
When you live in a world of fantasy projection, it is not surprising when your analysis is wrong.
In the multipolar world created by Putin and Xe, regional powers will wage wars to establish regional hegemony. The Israeli-Sunni alliance is busy systematically dismantling the Iranian axis of resistance. None of this should come as a surprise.

Posted by: Zargo | Jun 13 2025 15:04 utc | 526

“Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard:
The gates of hell will soon open on the murderous Zionist enemy.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/151215“
Posted by: Norwegian
https://www.empireposter.de/media/image/product/194577/lg/x-files-the-poster-i-want-to-believe_1.png

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 13 2025 15:04 utc | 528

Scott Ritter on NAP: Israel Strikes Iran
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJwAh244HeY
“There can be no doubt that the US and Israel conspired to make this attack happen.”
Prof Jeffrey Sachs on NAP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAi0uFQY_r8
“War for war’s sake.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 13 2025 15:06 utc | 530

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jun 13 2025 14:56 utc | 522
Orlov made it perfectly clear how the Russians think: it’s a war between Israel/Iran…none of our business.
If FDR had thought that way in 1941 – let the Germans fight it out with the Russians and British – I wonder who would have won WW2.

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 13 2025 15:08 utc | 532

In the immortal words of Eli Wallach as ‘Tuco’ in “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly”
WHEN YOU (are going to) SHOOT, SHOOT, DON’T TALK !!
Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 15:04 utc | 535
LOL! Perfect timing! Bravo.

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 13 2025 15:09 utc | 534

Because if israel + Uncle Sugar haven’t been able to wipe out little Hamas in 2 years then they won’t be able to wipe out Iran in 2 decades.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 12:38 utc | 365

Why would they want to wipe out Hamas? Hamas are the gift that keep giving. As long as “Hamas” survive, Israel has the pretext to wipe out Amalek (sorry, Palestinians).
You genuinely can’t see this ? Hamas are an arm of Mossad

No radiation leak at Natanz nuclear site after Israeli strike — PressTV citing Iran’s nuclear agency
‘Surveys conducted revealed that no radioactive or chemical material has leaked from the facility’
No fatalities among the personnel reported as well
https://t.me/rtnews/99029
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 15:04 utc | 533

Because the Iranian authorities would admit their breached reactors are spewing out radionuclides? What would that do for morale, both civilian, and in any military installations downwind from the reactors? Would YOU stay in position while being rained on by nuclear poisons?
Iran may have an idiotic leadership, but they’re not that idiotic.

Posted by: Observer | Jun 13 2025 15:11 utc | 536

Something is afoot: Netanyahu has left the country, moving to the US/UK Akrotiri heavily fortified airbase. Wild speculation – in Israel’s poorly considered attack on Iran, they have either killed key personnel or badly damaged Chinese assets. China has been instrumental in the development of Iran’s energy resources. “Decapitation” of Iranian military leaders and nuclear scientists is in insufficient numbers to seriously weaken Iranian deterrence. Furthermore, Iran is no doubt seeking and obtaining high level advice from astute strategists in Russia and China. Moves will be carefully planned, and entail actions at the diplomatic level (Security Council/General Assemblly), strategic armed deterrence and, geared to put the UK/US/IS/EU in an economic chokehold owing to disruption of energy markets. None of the aforementioned have economies that can exist on oil at 250 a barrel because of chokeholds on the Straits of Hormuz and Mandeb al Bab. However, escalation of oil prices only benefits the middle east satrapies such as the Saudi’s. Are IS/US/UK/EU one trick ponies?

Posted by: abierno | Jun 13 2025 15:14 utc | 538

hasbara squads out out en masse today.
only part i can verify is that 2 teams of 3 dogmen are currently released in Tabriz. I hope the irgc is equipped with small arms locally cus that’s gonna get out of control quick.

Posted by: NJH | Jun 13 2025 15:14 utc | 540

Where is Ansar Allah (Yemen) in this situation?
One would think they would want to distract the zionists with a few missiles?
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 13 2025 15:02 utc | 531
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My hope is that Ansar Allah — and Hezbollah — are waiting for a signal from Iran to launch a coordinated strike.
My fear is that they’re unable to do so.

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 15:17 utc | 542

Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 14:59 utc | 527
“All it takes to win is to be willing to do what the other guy will not.”
The word that describes this is unique and is “chutzpah”. There is no other word like it and what it means to possess it is to behave with shameless impudence, malice and cruelty at all times. It is very well known who is in possession of this and anyone caught by surprise by it is a fool. Combatting it is a matter of survival and this can not be done, ever, without extreme measures.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 13 2025 15:19 utc | 544

@EoinW | Jun 13 2025 15:08, who said:
“Orlov made it perfectly clear how the Russians think: it’s a war between Israel/Iran…none of our business”
EoinW: if indeed that’s the case, it makes you wonder how serious Russia really is about BRICS, and more broadly, it’s ability to retain sovereignty as it becomes surrounded, and then gradually pecked to death.
And that’s what it’ll be, right?
So I’m not sure I’m ready to accept Orlov’s prognosis. Putin and Xi are long-term strategic thinkers, and they can read the tea leaves better than I can.
If those societies really want a new social order based on performance (.vs. plunder) …
And if they aren’t willing to fight for it, and they’re the primary beneficiaries of it, how much more time should we – the Bar, et. al – invest advocating for a future that others – who benefit the most – aren’t willing to strive for?
Orlov’s isolationism isn’t good nationalism. It’s an attitude of convenience. Let’s see where Russia and China settle out; we’ll know in a few days.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 13 2025 15:22 utc | 546

Fellow barflies! Welcome to our civilization war. Lucky for us in this moment that we are not in the middle of it.
Are we going to read any more from barflies calling Trump a peace president?….and not the Might-Makes-Right type of peace.
Do folks not understand what this means to Russia and China? Can you say existential? Sure you can!….First they came for Iran…..
The better part of humanity is trying to put down a delusional bully with nukes. At this point the bully still thinks it is winning…do others agree? I don’t and think that we are getting closer to the defining moment in our civilization war…..the bully smack down……
I am just a meat sack at the pond scum level in our spaceship Earth but can see which way the wind is blowing….stay tuned because it is important for all of us.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 13 2025 15:23 utc | 548

The delusion is super strong with this one. Israel now owns the skies of Iran, it can literally do whatever the fuck it wants to do.
As for resources to fight Hamas: israel has proven that it doesn’t have them. What you’re seeing now is a full life support line from Uncle Sugar. That lifeline stops and israel goes under in a few days.
Curtains.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 12:44 utc | 369

Posted by: Jack Straw | Jun 13 2025 15:25 utc | 550

@ Tom Pfotzer | Jun 13 2025 15:22 utc | 552
Thanks for the reply. Yes indeed, the near future will reveal what hands the Asians are playing.

Posted by: EoinW | Jun 13 2025 15:28 utc | 552

Bingo. Most of the “regulars” here are woefully misinformed.
So far, I must say that we all (at MoA) have underestimated the power and resourcefulness (particularly intelligence) of the Jewish state. Looks like a textbook case of wishful thinking.
Posted by: grunzt | Jun 13 2025 13:18 utc | 411

Posted by: Johannes | Jun 13 2025 15:29 utc | 554

Jeffrey Sachs made the point on Judge Nepolitano’s show that the Israeli strikes on Iran (which Trump has boasted about supplying weapons for) have a similarity to the attempted airstrikes deep into Russia, so they should, in my view, be considered a state-sponsored terrorist operation. Not only similar to the airstrikes as being drone strikes from within the country, but also in indiscriminate targetting of civilians.
This must affect how Russia relates to the US as far as negotiations are concerned. It is a very dark day indeed.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 13 2025 15:32 utc | 556

Whoa. Even Kunsler is spouting the Israeli propaganda;
Iran advertised countless times its resolve to wipe Israel off the map, in so many words. Israel was not inclined to submit to that outcome and it closely monitored Iran’s practical steps to acquire deliverable nuclear bombs. Israel, in turn, advertised that Iran’s nuclear program would not be allowed to succeed. The world stood by waiting to see who’s advertising jibed with reality.
https://www.kunstler.com/p/game-on

Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 15:33 utc | 558

It is attributed to Caligula: “oderint dum metuant” — they may hate me but they should fear me.. it seems Israel takes this t heart and act accordingly. How did it work out for Caligula?

Posted by: fanto | Jun 13 2025 15:36 utc | 560

What happened to True Promise III?
Why is Bibi hiding his sorry ass in Akrotiri, should he be parading victoriously up and down the beach in Tel Aviv?
Let the fog of war clear a little…

Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 13 2025 15:36 utc | 562

Could mainstream media (MSM) exaggerate or coordinate messaging to glorify Israel’s Iron Dome or downplay Iran’s capabilities?
Yes — and they often do. This doesn’t necessarily mean all journalists are “in on it,” but rather:
Reliance on official sources (IDF briefings, U.S. Defense Department) creates a uniform message.
Echo-chamber effect: Reuters quotes IDF, then BBC quotes Reuters, then CNN cites both — it looks like confirmation from multiple outlets, but it’s all stemming from the same primary source.
Framing bias: Most Western MSM frame Israel as the advanced, democratic underdog, and Iran as the opaque aggressor. This colors how defenses like Iron Dome are reported.

Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 13 2025 15:38 utc | 564

Perhaps the Iranians should replace Pezeshkian with an even more compliant President. This has to be the most predictable surprise attack in the history of mankind.

Posted by: Deniz | Jun 13 2025 15:40 utc | 566

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 13 2025 13:39 utc | 439
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 13:44 utc | 442
Yup. In the entire recorded history of the planet there has never been an empire like the American one. Never mind its weapons of mass destruction, it has the ability to do what no other empire had the ability to do: print infinite money. This is what allows them to pay their foot soldiers, keep their subjects fed and content (food stamps, welfare income, medical care), bribe foreign leaders, pump out an endless supply of weapons, and keep their vassals afloat despite endless warfare.
Unless this ability is taken away, there’s no stopping the US. It’s all talk.

Posted by: bored | Jun 13 2025 15:44 utc | 568

Whoa. Even Kunsler is spouting the Israeli propaganda;
Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 15:33 utc | 564
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Whoa! Even Kunstler? Kunstler has always been a Zionist (and btw a Jew).

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 13 2025 15:46 utc | 570

The fact that Iran has not military responded to the attack yet, leads me to think Iran wasnt prepared for Israel to attack this soon and was still organizing the military for their response once the attack occurred (possibly Iran they thought they had a few more days and was using this time to direct their military). Assuming Iran’s military was partially disrupted by this attack that would explain why they havent launch a wide scale counter attack yet, probably If Iran doesn’t launch a military response by tonight, then that would mean that their military was surprised by these attacks and didnt have a prepared automatic response ready for immediate use (i’m not saying that they were caught entirely flat-footed, just that they were not on a hair-trigger response).
Israel is clearing pushing for a regime change in Iran and it looks like Germany, France, Britain, Canada and the US were fully informed of the attacks in advance and have given their full support for the plan which includes several weeks of continuous attacks on Iran. Obviously, this means that all that Western BS about ending the Genocide in Gaza and promoting peace in the Middle East has been completely discredited, the Western powers were supporting the Genocide in Gaza in order to shape the landscape for a war on Iran and they were probably secretly planning this with Israel for at least the past year.

Posted by: Kadath | Jun 13 2025 15:47 utc | 572

Unless this ability is taken away, there’s no stopping the US. It’s all talk.
Posted by: bored | Jun 13 2025 15:44 utc | 577
This ability is given to them by the RoW, including the very same countries being crushed beneath the imperial boot.
The only way out is to act as a whole against Empire. Instead they feed it.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 15:49 utc | 574

Personally I think both Iran and Russia are preparing much more devastating responses. Time will tell.
I could definitely be wrong, but I would also venture that Russia will not allow Iran to fall just as China would not allow Russia to fall, because they’re all too familiar with the domino theory. [Syria was a house of cards that couldn’t be saved.]

Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 13 2025 15:50 utc | 576

Let the fog of war clear a little…
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 13 2025 15:36 utc | 570
I agree
this isn’t a video game
Our new found barflies that seem to need their dopamine fix from a COD like response they will be disappointed.
I expect Russia and China also have a few tricks up their sleeves even if we do not see it.
The possibility that ‘the new government’ may be installed by ZOG is very real.
Donald just smugly announced that all the hard liners are dead.
Does not bode well.
I only hope they are not and a more Iranian forceful one than the last
We shall see.

Posted by: ld | Jun 13 2025 15:53 utc | 578

[Syria was a house of cards that couldn’t be saved.]
Posted by: TJandTheBear | Jun 13 2025 15:50 utc | 585
Weird logic. Syria was “saved” by the United States as in they overthrew Assad and instated a regime loyal to them. If Russia had been strong instead of weak, and if it wished to, it could have done the same. It didn’t, and now Israeli jets are operating with impunity over Syria.
I’m hoping for a credible response, both from Iran as well as from Russia and China. This would be a response that would involve a lot of dead Jewish supremacists.

Posted by: Tichy | Jun 13 2025 15:57 utc | 580

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 13 2025 15:52 utc | 583
By way of deception thou shalt do war.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 13 2025 16:00 utc | 582

When American rattlesnakes start moving out of their embassy dens, and announce it, even a dumb hillbilly from TN can see something is coming. This makes the idea that Iran was caught by surprise hard to believe. It suggests the chutzpah people wormed their way inside and did something to neutralize defenses. Graveyard whistlers/fence straddlers can count on the chutzpah people doing the same thing to them. That’s unless you stop them and your survival is incumbent on this.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 13 2025 16:02 utc | 584

William Gruff | Jun 13 2025 10:36 utc | 214
*** My money is on the air defenses Russian supplied to Iran having been turned off. There will be no response from Russia to Israel except perhaps some diplomatic words of disapproval from Lavrov. ***
My suspicion as well.
Especially given what happened in Syria.
Too many indications have accumulated by now to be able to discount the idea of Putin being a Khazarian sycophant, or even a closet Khazar himself.
Which would also bring into suspicion the top level of his administration … plus the ongoing neoliberalism of Nabulina, and a question of whether “chosen” Oligarchic interests are still being prioritised.
Strelkov is still imprisoned, and Surovokin in exile….

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 13 2025 16:04 utc | 586

Melaleuca | Jun 13 2025 10:47 utc | 228 ….
Interesting comment by Trump, displaying yet again as clear as can possibly be that the ginger blimp amounts to no more than a murderous, lie-stuffed Zionist Mafia turd.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 13 2025 16:11 utc | 588

Netanyahu achieved his goal

Reuters citing two sources:
Postponement of the United Nations conference on the two-state solution that was scheduled to be hosted by France and Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Georgie | Jun 13 2025 16:14 utc | 590

“Defeatist mentality of Russia, China and Iran will cost them dearly. All 3 have isolated themselves. Too selfish.”
That’s just dumb trolling at this point, as far away from reality as it is.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 13 2025 12:05 utc | 320
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We’ll be hearing more of this stupid babble and conflation for awhile regardless of actual circumstances.
The fact that Ukraine is pretty much f*cked, Russia is building up forces, has NK putting skin in the game and is running NATO poodle France out of swaths of Africa.
Won’t stop the “big-swinging dicks” AKA bloodthirsty hysterics from concluding that Russia should bankrupt itself, dilute it’s main war-effort or simply lob nukes. Because the Middle East is a sh*tshow etc.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 13 2025 16:15 utc | 592

If Iran is unwilling to respond because of nuclear weapons then the whole thing is over, it’s better to submit at this point if that is their reasoning.
Posted by: Silverfoxes | Jun 13 2025 14:40 utc | 507
And now the reason why every state should possess nuclear weapons is clear.
Hopefully to even the dimmest of minds.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Jun 13 2025 16:19 utc | 594

An intense examination must be underway that seeks an explanation for the failure of Iran’s defense systems. When the Americans, with their deals and propositions for peace announced warnings concerning embassy personnel in their dens I saw something coming all the way from Tennessee.
Were you booby-trapped, once again, by the chutzpah people? Who else have they booby-trapped? This is what happens when you play with rattlesnakes. Sooner or later they will bite you and they will NEVER stop trying.

Posted by: chunga | Jun 13 2025 16:21 utc | 596

Rethoric question: do you know that Israel has nuclear weapons?
Posted by: NoName | Jun 13 2025 16:15 utc | 599
Not a rhetorical question, Do you KNOW Israel has nukes?
To be clear, I THINK they do. But does anyone KNOW?
And also to be clear, the relevance was addressed above;
Posted by: Silverfoxes | Jun 13 2025 14:40 utc | 507
Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 14:39 utc | 504

Posted by: saner | Jun 13 2025 16:22 utc | 598

Which way took the 200 israeli fighters to attack Iran?

Posted by: Niles | Jun 13 2025 16:23 utc | 600