Ukraine - Strategic Escalation Intended To Influence Talks
Days before negotiations towards an and of the conflict the operational tempo of the war in Ukraine has increased.
During the last week of May the Russian forces took 18 settlements and over 200 square kilometer. During the last 24 hours at least another 3 settlements have changed hands. The Ukrainian army is no longer capable to hold its defense lines. Its situation is deteriorating day by day.
On Saturday a Russian missile attack hit a Ukrainian military training camp. It killed or wounded about 100 soldiers. It was the second time the camp had been hit. Other agglomerations of Ukrainian forces had previously experienced the same fate. Still, Ukrainian forces beyond the frontline keep bunching up to become targets of long range weapons.
Taking responsibility for the repeated mistakes the commander of the Ukrainian ground forces resigned:
Commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Mykhailo Drapatyi, has submitted his resignation over the tragedy at the 239th Training Range Center, where a Russian strike killed soldiers from a training battalion.
The loss is significant:
[Drapatyi] is considered one of the most skilled commanders in the Ukrainian Armed Forces and was a leading candidate to become the future Commander-in-Chief, expected to succeed Syrskyi.
On Saturday/Sunday Ukrainian diversion groups used explosives to destroy two Russian railroad bridges in the Kursk and Bryansk region. These bridges were located some 50 kilometer north of the Sumy region frontline. The hits will impact, if only for a short time, the railway bound supply of Russian forces north of Sumy.
One of the bridge explosions destroyed a civil passenger train. Some 10 people were killed and some 100 were wounded. This was likely intended and thereby a terror attack.
On Sunday morning a large scale operation by the Ukrainian secret service managed to attack multiple strategic airfields throughout Russia. Ukrainian sources claimed attacks on five airfields and the destruction of more than 40 strategic bombers.
Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.
The attack allegedly used 120 remotely controlled drones launched from civil trucks positioned near those airfields. Ukrainian sources claim that the operation took 18 month to prepare. It seems that the Russian mobile telephone network was used to remotely control the drones. It will be thereby relatively easy to prevent another attack of this kind by blocking the relevant traffic through these channels.
While the attack is of high propaganda value it will have no favorable impact on the Ukrainian position on the battle field. It will rather entice the Russian forces to hit harder, mostly likely by long range attacks against Ukrainian decision centers.
The U.S. claims to not have been informed about the attack on strategic (nuclear) Russian assets. The claim is not plausible. As former CIA agent Larry Johnson asserts:
In my opinion, none of these attacks could have been planned and executed without assistance, if not the direct involvement, of Western intelligence and NATO officers. The drones likely were activated by a remote signal made possible by Western satellites and/or systems like Starlink. Those systems also played a critical role in enabling the drones to navigate to the targeted airfields.
On Sunday eve the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov initiated a phone call with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio. The content of the call has not been published.
Also on Sunday the Russian forces launched about 100 long range drones against targets in Ukraine. On Monday morning some 100 drones were launched by Ukraine towards Moscow. Damage assessments for these attacks are not yet available.
The escalation of the war beyond the immediate battlefield came on the eve of Ukrainian-Russian negotiations in Istanbul, Turkey.
Ukraine's international position continues to deteriorate. Coming June 6 EU import privileges for Ukrainian products will end. The impact on the Ukraine economy will be serious. Yesterday Poland, Ukraine's most supportive neighbor, elected a conservative president who is not in favor of Ukraine.
The Ukrainian side had likely hoped that its attack on strategic Russian airfields would entice Russia to delay or break-off the talks in Istanbul. They will however take place and continue.
Both sides are expected to exchange memoranda about their envisioned paths towards an end of the war.
I do expect the Russian side to deliver some kind of ultimatum.
Posted by b on June 2, 2025 at 8:17 UTC | Permalink
next page »All the talking heads believe Ukraine claims of 40 destroyed bombers without question. I think its single figures but the PR value is huge. Attacking the civilian train is just criminal
Posted by: Eclipse | Jun 2 2025 8:51 utc | 2
Are we seriously keep calling such coordinated attacks with high-tech and the necessary training all coming from NATO a "Ukrainian" attack?
This charade has apparently kept all politicos from all sides satisfied, but by now it is dangerous to maintain it. It used to be that "there are stuff that are said but not done and there are stuff done but not said". This point is now in the past.
The problem in the current situation isn't the level of losses, almost certainly heavily exaggerated by those who came up with the Ghost of Kiev, the Goat of Kiev, the zombies of Snake Island etc., but the establishment of a precedent, where any asset of value in Russia can be targeted, since the Anglo-Americans can always claim plausible deniability through Ukrainian frontsmen. This is an extreme escalation and the real culprit is definitely NOT the Maidanist puppet regime (at most being the tool). In short, the problem cannot be solved by simply hammering the AFU positions.
It is imperative for the Russian government to set a new paradigm towards the actual instigators of this series of events. That this is the need can be deduced by the frantic effort of Axios to backpedal the early article that asserted Trump's early knowledge of the attack with a new one, clearly under orders from above,now claiming that the POTUS was ignorant of all that. It is obvious that the Anglo-American imperialists want to avoid the impression of being responsible of the very escalation they themselves instigated.
Posted by: Constantine | Jun 2 2025 8:54 utc | 3
"General Mike Flynn: FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations. Zelenskyy took advantage of that." ( x.com/GenFlynn/status/1929297294358139364 )
I don't know if the treaty requires that but it would be even more funny if true. He also blames an imaginary character called Zelenskyiyiyi not his own country, evil Europeans or Martians, but in the end "they tricked me" has happened again. Like clockwork.
And you don't need to travel to Turkey to issue an ultimatum, hard to believe there will ever be one. Which in itself is funny because Turkey is not a neutral state and is part of Nato. Why not Belarus or some Brics?
Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2025 9:12 utc | 5
I see a lot of optimism and triumphlism despite this SMO lasting 3 years and still going nowhere.
-Russia is no closer to addressing any of the core issues the prompted it to invade Ukraine. NATO has completely encircled Russia in the Baltic and Arctic as a result of the SMO. Plus a 20% inflation economy...
-Russia has failed to deter or stop Western support for Ukraine, and any red line it puts down continues to get trodden on, while alt media commentators cope with bs about 'strategic patience'. Talk to me when US and NATO bases and cities are getting droned. Until then, no one in the West is being deterred, and even if Ukraine get wasted, they will find another front to do the same to Russia.
-Russian strategic depth is entirely under threat 24/7, while NATO is operating in total safety.
-Weapons and mercenaries continue to pour into Ukraine, no matter how many missiles Russia launches, no matter how many men die at the front. I am pretty sure NATO already has a plan for that day also. Does Russia?
-The entire Ukrainian Government, SBU and Army leadership live and travel freely, openly hosting the Western leaders who Russia still pretends are not at war with it.
Sorry, but this is a joke of a war, SMO or whatever you want to call it. Putin is either gotta grow a pair and be more ruthless, or he is the one who is gonna get worn down, not the West, because Ukraine is the frist chapter of a war he is neither capable to fight, let alone win, based on the performance of the past 3 years. NATO is literally going to look at his terms and 'ultimatums' and tell him to get lost, and piss all over another red line, one red line after another, and bleed him dry until either he gets killed by his own men or replaced.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 2 2025 9:14 utc | 6
BREAKING NEWS; Putin assassinated by his own people.
Prediction, but very likely to happen, chances has gone up. The outrage is growing steadily, and regardless of how much it wins on the 'battlefield', Putin does not unfortunately does not and cannot control the 'war'. Its not my wish, but this is becoming clearer, how many 9/11 terrorist acts? Any decision making centre's hit? Ukraine doesn't make the orders is already evident since day one of this clown show of an SMO.
All the excuses of enabling your enemies to consistently hit you, and yet the strategy of turning a blind eye, futile patience is not having the desired outcome. How many Russians must be killed, or terrorists acts must be committed? Putin will be removed by his own.... And they will have no reason to declare a war. Good luck..
Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 2 2025 9:20 utc | 7
Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, May 30th 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-266
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 2 2025 9:20 utc | 8
Yip, I think the Kremlin will need to take the gloves-off on this one - and maybe strike a bit harder against the Neo-Nazi dictatorship, also as you say the Neo-Nazi regime - couldn't really accomplish such attacks without Western help.
This attack also occurred.
"Several drones targeted a military installation in Irkutsk Region on Sunday in what authorities say is the first such attack in Siberia. Governor Igor Kobzev confirmed the strike and said the incident occurred near the settlement of Sredny, about 150 km from Lake Baikal and 70 km from the eponymous regional capital.
One drone also reportedly hit an abandoned building in the nearby village of Novomaltinsk, according to Kobzev.
The governor said the drones were launched from a small truck, though the exact number of UAVs involved remains unclear. Unverified footage on social media suggests at least three drones took part in the raid.
Kobzev added that the launch site had been “blocked” and that there was “no threat to the lives and health of civilians.” Emergency services and law enforcement were dispatched to the scene.
While Kobzev did not attribute blame, both Russian and Ukrainian media outlets have suggested that the attack was orchestrated by Kiev."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 2 2025 9:22 utc | 9
Sorry, but this is a joke of a war, SMO or whatever you want to call it. Putin is either gotta grow a pair and be more ruthless, or he is the one who is gonna get worn down, not the West, because Ukraine is the frist chapter of a war he is neither capable to fight, let alone win, based on the performance of the past 3 years. NATO is literally going to look at his terms and 'ultimatums' and tell him to get lost, and piss all over another red line, one red line after another, and bleed him dry until either he gets killed by his own men or replaced.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 2 2025 9:14 utc | 7
That's exactly how it is, and that's not just how the hardliners in and around the Kremlin see it anymore... There's also a lot of unrest among the people now, especially after the railway bridge attack...
Putin is under pressure from within...
Messages on Telegram channels are supposed to reassure people that something bigger is coming and planned.
Now, the people's voice will no longer be satisfied with 500 drones.
Excerpt from Sheikh Tamir at 11 a.m.:
Sheikh Tamir
The US has warned its European allies that Russia is preparing a "disproportionate response" to the attack on the air bases.
YES? Hazelnut? Destruction of infrastructure in Ukraine?
Question...what is "disproportionate" now: flattening Kyiv or US bases?
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 2 2025 9:26 utc | 10
A possible outline of what might be on offer at the talks in Turkey - if the below is anything to go by - its unlikely an agreement can be reached.
"The memorandum prepared by Ukraine for the Istanbul talks with Russia rejects Moscow’s key demands for recognition of new Russian regions, neutrality for Kiev, and limitations on the size of Ukraine’s armed forces, Reuters has reported.
The second round of talks between Russia and Ukraine, which resumed after a three-year break in mid-May, is expected to take place in Türkiye on Monday. The two sides earlier agreed that they will each present memorandums detailing their vision of how to settle the conflict.
Reuters reported on Sunday that Kiev’s document does not include recognition of Crimea, the People’s Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, and Kherson and Zaporozhye regions as part of Russia. According to Ukraine, the current shape of the front line should be the starting point for negotiations on territory, it added.
Kiev also insists that it cannot be forced to accept neutrality, claiming that its potential NATO membership should only depend on a consensus within the US-led military bloc, the agency said.
Restrictions on the size of the Ukrainian military armed forces have also reportedly been ruled out in Kiev’s memorandum. However, it calls for Russia to pay reparations and for the use of Moscow’s assets frozen by the West to rebuild Ukraine, Reuters said.
According to the agency, Kiev’s roadmap begins with a demand for a full ceasefire of at least 30 days, an exchange of prisoners in an “all-for-all” format, followed by a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky.
Reuters noted that the demands in the Ukrainian memorandum “diverge considerably” from the terms previously voiced by Russia.
Moscow has declined to make the details of its memorandum public or present it to the Ukrainians before the talks in Istanbul. Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said last week that the document includes the “principles of [a] settlement, a timeframe for a potential peace agreement, [and] a potential ceasefire for a certain period of time.”"
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 2 2025 9:26 utc | 11
The sabotage of train bridges in Bryansk or set-piece drone strikes on the Olenya Airbase near Murmansk are sideswipe stunts. The neo-Nazis in Kiev and their Euro-curators have no forces to swoop in and create cascading success out of the sabotage one-offs.
After Avdiivka fell, the war in Ukraine was no longer about *Ukraine* winning a war, or even a single battle ever again. It was about defeating Russia.
The ruse or *cover* of a ‘conflict in Ukraine’ gives Kiev's Euro-curators license to foment a wider Forever War, terroristic in nature.
Brain-power since then has been intensely directed to set-piece jaunts, like the Kursk Incursion, the drone-swarm in mid-May and now the so-dubbed “Operation Spiderweb.”
The 'plausible deniability' built into the attacks can always be, "Well, Ukraine has a right to defend itself." Meanwhile, NATO's Euro-members are engineering & directing the attacks, and using *Ukraine* as a fig-leaf cover.
Although NATO's proxy war in Ukraine did not *crush* Russia, the *war* can indeed be used as ongoing cover for conducting audacious terroristic attacks on Russia's hinterland in order to escalate.
Thus---"to the last Ukrainian."
Kiev's Euro-curators need to make damn certain they never reach *the last Ukrainian* or their plausible deniability will go poof.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 2 2025 9:28 utc | 12
Lavrov after the bombings : "tomorrow , tomorrow".
Lavrov at the "peace" talks : "tomorrow , tomorrow".
Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 2 2025 9:29 utc | 13
who knows why putin prohibits the russian army from destroying the electrical grid, bridges, highways, railways, airports, ukrainian ports used 24 hours a day to bring in weapons that are used daily against the russian people and its soldiers, who knows what interests he must protect.
Posted by: Cagliostro | Jun 2 2025 9:30 utc | 14
Current damage assessment confirms attacks on two airfields and the destruction or damaging of up to 10 bombers.
3 TU-95 MC and 2 TU-22M3 destroyed AND damaged (meaning some of them will return to service)
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/06/correct.html
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 9:35 utc | 15
At the beginning of July 2022, Putin said with regard to the war in Ukraine - ‘We haven't even started yet’.
The old man should now release the handbrake in the face of many tragedies for his people. Russians are patient, but they won't be led around by the nose forever.
Nur so ein Gedanke.
Posted by: Oberbayer | Jun 2 2025 9:36 utc | 16
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 2 2025 9:28 utc | 12
RE: Kiev's Euro-curators need to make damn certain they never reach *the last Ukrainian* or their plausible deniability will go poof.
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The 'plausible deniability' of Kiev's Euro-curators has long ago gone *poof*
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 2 2025 9:41 utc | 17
Folks like to keep down playing the importance of hitting Russia's nuclear triad.
Understand that the 'fact' is they (west) penetrated, which may be the most crucial point.
Sure let's pretend its nothing.... And continue to negotiate with the snakes.
Posted by: TheTurk | Jun 2 2025 9:44 utc | 18
@TheTurk | Jun 2 2025 9:44 utc | 18
Sure let's pretend its nothing.... And continue to negotiate with the snakes.Nobody pretends what happened was nothing, getting the facts correct matters.
Looks like you are against peace negotiations?
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 9:49 utc | 19
I'd like to draw some analogies between past and present.
RAF Bombing of Berlin – August 25, 1940
The German Air Force had been bombing UK airfields and radar stations in southern England, and this weakened the Royal Air Force significantly. On the night of August 25–26, 1940, the RAF bombed Berlin. In retaliation, Germany stopped bombing UK airfields and began bombing UK cities. One could say the UK put its citizens in harms way to save its airfields.
In a similar way, the Russian army is winning the battle in Ukraine.
The attacks on railroad bridges and airfields are trying to provoke Russia into switching targets.
Provocations will not work. One should assume Russian leadership is literate, and well informed of historical gambits.
Suez crisis - 29 October – 7 November 1956
In a last attempt of a dying empire, the UK - with France and Israel - tries to take the Suez canal in Egypt. The invasion is called off after U.S. president Eisenhower threatens to stop supporting the Pound Sterling, and sell UK government bonds.
Many think this war will end on the battlefield. That is a possibility.
Another possibility is that the US policy becomes more constructive after China threatens to stop supporting the dollar, and sell US government bonds.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 2 2025 9:54 utc | 20
Events like this - sure brings the Armageddon Sociopaths out of the woodwork.
E.g., Nuke Ukraine, nuke Europe, nuke the moon........
Posted by: Cato from Norway | Jun 2 2025 10:03 utc | 21
People within the CIA and USEUCOM offices, who are providing assistance to Ukraine, likely knew about the plan, and may even have provided intelligence support to get the drones to their targets. Like any covert operation, they may have tried to give Trump plausible deniability, but the Russians know how this game is played.The EU is furious w Trump … contrary to Larry’s opinion, I believe Trump was kept out of the loop … more reasons to consider Zelenskyy a madman with his SBU terror cabal. Watch the June NATO Summit in The Hague.
Retaliation will come …
Fact. RF kept quiet and went to the negotiations.
Whatever may happen now will be properly done in cold blood and to maximum advantage.
No ripping of clothes, no noise, just enduring and let’s see if there are any public consequences or not.
In private I’m sure scales have to be balanced and more than a pound of flesh is due by more than one of the parties …
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 10:09 utc | 23
3 TU-95 MC and 2 TU-22M3 destroyed AND damaged (meaning some of them will return to service)
https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/06/correct.html
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 9:35 utc | 15
Thanks for bringing some clarity into the fogs of war and rumours. It is not the end of Russia. If it was more serious the talks would have been called off. Ukraine will pay heavily. Also no opposition from global south now.
There is some strategic reasons which we don't know about this slow kill method of Russia.
@Peeks | Jun 2 2025 10:07 utc | 23
Well, I think the majority is against it.But the Ukrainians must have a different opinion, because they appear to take part in it.
Z: "I spoke with my defense minister early this morning—they're preparing for the Istanbul meeting. I’m not sure the Russians are ready for anything productive, but we always have to hope for some kind of solution."
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 10:17 utc | 26
Many think this war will end on the battlefield. That is a possibility.
Another possibility is that the US policy becomes more constructive after China threatens to stop supporting the dollar, and sell US government bonds.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 2 2025 9:54 utc | 20
Excellent analysis. Feel by end of the decade as with manufacturing, China will be the global financial capital.
Ukrainian delegation arrives at negotiations again partly in military uniform.https://t.me/rtnews/97661
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 10:26 utc | 28
I don't think it can be called a war any longer, as there really isn't a 'battlefield' though for the soldiers on the line such is the case as they keep on.
Terrorism can't be called a war, so something very like what happened in Chechnya is more the case. I hope that the Russians can draw on their experience then to feel hopeful at this point, since they were successful in repatriating that region, even though the threat of terrorism continued, as it will now in the west.
I don't remember how that first conflict ended, except that Russia issued an ultimatum to each town or enclave there given a situation similar to what we have now: either expect unavoidable destruction or agree to surrender, and that local agreement was honored, increasing the result of more and more individual communities so doing.
Perhaps the resignation of the leader of the Ukrainian military is a sign that will be the way forward. So, that Ukraine is no long an overall force of resistance is a very good sign whether or not anything is accomplished in Istanbul. And it will be possible for Ukraine as a national entity, as Chechnya has done, to continue to exist.
Thank you, b, for your excellent ongoing coverage through your own battle for good health; may it be! We sometimes have taken you for granted; we are very grateful to you. You will never know how many you have helped simply by providing the historical facts as you see them. Peace is coming, and we'll return to quieter threads as hysteria becomes --- more frequently now, just history.
This blog has become an epic. An award must be created to you for your heroic efforts here. You have endured beyond any of your followers, but some of us who were at the beginning of this saga at least are still here to sing your praises.
Don't let it go to your head. ;)
Posted by: juliania | Jun 2 2025 10:27 utc | 29
Fact. RF kept quiet and went to the negotiations.
Whatever may happen now will be properly done in cold blood and to maximum advantage.
No ripping of clothes, no noise, just enduring and let’s see if there are any public consequences or not.
In private I’m sure scales have to be balanced and more than a pound of flesh is due by more than one of the parties …
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 10:09 utc | 24
There will always be time for retaliation. And instead of using nukes or other WW3 maximalists' wet dreams, the best reaction right now is to better protect valuable equipment and facilities against future strikes so they are prevented or more effectively repelled.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Jun 2 2025 10:28 utc | 30
40 bombers.
40 headless babies.
Spot the pattern?
They are connected and it’s the fascists natzios who are calling the shots with their insanity of the ages. As usual. The dumb numerology and voodoo beliefs.
I’d say Lavrovs call - have seen reports that it was the rubes ‘call’ - but makes sense it was the Great Man who basically made the call to say that retribution is guaranteed.
Not just for the deep strike drones, more so for the deliberate death on the railways.
That’s not war it’s terrorism.
The rube needed telling to avoid any doubt how close it came to the dead man’s handle doomsday bomb scenario - that if he and his dozy natzios make any more trouble it will be DOUBLE.
Lavrov is talking directly to the Zionists of USA.
They just lost both Ukraine and West Asian satraps SF bases.
Posted by: DunGroanin | Jun 2 2025 10:33 utc | 31
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 2 2025 9:54 utc | 20
Best post I have read today, thanks!
Posted by: canuck | Jun 2 2025 10:33 utc | 32
Another perspective....
Maybe this analogy is somewhat crude, and non-military either historical or present, but I'd like to draw from nature and how man deals when confronted with this common problem.
Which in someways could be equated with how colonial powers mentality thrives on making countries subservient.
Termite (NATO) infestations in homes (countries) typically occur when worker termites from a colony gain access to wood or cellulose-based materials (country-borders), either directly or through concealed entry points. Termites enter through cracks in concrete foundations, expansion joints, or poorly sealed utility penetrations.(Much like what the West is doing to Russia)
When your home and adjacent houses are infested with severe termites, you call pest-control, and they drill holes
into your foundation using termiticides around the perimeter of your entire home, creating a barrier, wall. Once the termites are infected with the pesticide they return to their 'colony' and kill the queens which in turn kills the entire colony. This has to be followed through with all the homes, until complete eradication of the queens.
In the same way, if you think about it, Russia has a termite infestation surrounding neighbours.... do you make peace and talk to it humanely? and hope that someday they'll just change their minds, or deal with it before eventually becomes a bigger infestation out of control?
Posted by: MrPerspective | Jun 2 2025 10:40 utc | 33
DJT has no incentive to grasp the long-standing complexities regarding eastern Ukraine and Russian ethnics in Ukraine.
Even signing off on sending Javelins to the AFU & nationalist militia in 2017, which allowed the groups to target Ukrainian citizens in Donbass, was no doubt a mechanical act of a novice president being played royally by the neocon Obama admin holdovers still stocking the U.S. embassy in Kiev.
DJT’s current admin can’t steward a way forward to peace, let alone comprehend peace.
In the midst of this contradiction, a peculiar but hard-to-ignore reality is that the U.S. is on the brink of a financial collapse, which runs on a parallel track to the cratering of U.S. prospects in Project Ukraine, almost as if the two are related: the U.S. is going broke.
Debt-ceiling realities will be pressing down hard in the U.S. by the third week of June. Which coincides w/ NATO’s summit @ The Hague.
Only China has the capital to keep U.S. Treasuries afloat, which is why Janet Yellen so frequently showed up in Beijing w/ cup in hand—-but DJT’s peace-averse admin can’t stop insulting China ( see Sec Hegseth’s speech to the *Indo-Pacific* nations .)
China needs to see more sugar from Washington and less vinegar before helping w/ the debt.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 2 2025 10:41 utc | 34
Michael Flynn has something to say about the Ukrainian drone attack on Russian nuclear capable planes:
https://xcancel.com/GenFlynn/status/1929297294358139364
General Mike Flynn
@GenFlynn
ATTENTION!
So, it appears Zelenskyy gave the go ahead to attack parked Russian nuclear capable bombers without informing @realDonaldTrump (if true that our President was not consulted nor informed, this isn’t simply a breach of protocol. It’s a geopolitical insult and a warning sign. If Ukraine is willing to conduct strikes with strategic consequences without notifying the White House, we are no longer allies with coordination issues—we are co-belligerents flying blind).Also given Senator “warmonger” Lindsey Graham’s and Senator “Da Nang Dick” Blumenthal’s recent visit, this attack could appear as though it was sanctioned. I pray the Russians have better intelligence than that. IMHO, these two don’t have the sense or common sense to pull something like this off (there will have to be denials though).
FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations. Zelenskyy took advantage of that. For instance, they appear to have hidden the drones in containers and were driven on trucks near the airbase. Smart use of deception (see photos below).
However, imagine any one of our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them. Very costly U.S. Strategic Bombers can be taken out in the same way by anyone with access to inexpensive drones, delivery trucks, explosives, and a bit of technical knowledge (not good and new tactics will now have to be developed).
People, and especially world leaders, need to realize the global implications to such an operation as Ukraine just pulled off.
Russia will respond. Action, reaction, counteraction. Those are the shifting tides of warfare.
This wasn’t a bold action, it was brash. Ukraine’s short-term win could be the world’s long-term loss.
Despite what is a complete mess right now in Europe, there are still solutions to achieving peace. They are narrowing however and time, as it often does, becomes an enemy instead of a useful friend.
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Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2025 10:45 utc | 35
11 - The Kiev delegates turned up in uniform, which sends several messages, among them being that they are not interested in peace talks.
Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 2 2025 10:46 utc | 36
Just to clarify, I'm in no way suggesting that Russia use nuclear-weapons, but it has to take it seriously and solve problems without any more dialogue, which are not baring any fruit. Psychologically or Materially it is futile
to talk with mad-men or women at the helm.
Posted by: MrPerspective | Jun 2 2025 10:48 utc | 37
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 2 2025 9:54 utc | 20The German Air Force had been bombing UK airfields and radar stations in southern England, and this weakened the Royal Air Force significantly. On the night of August 25–26, 1940, the RAF bombed Berlin. In retaliation, Germany stopped bombing UK airfields and began bombing UK cities. One could say the UK put its citizens in harms way to save its airfields.
Interesting hypothesis, but IMO more than trying to redirect Russian fire into cities and civilians (which we all know it won't work) to protect its military, these operations inside Russia by ukrops fulfill to some extent their contract with those providing the funding: harm Russia in any manner whatsoever in exchange for Western treasure.
IOW, if there was no such operation for a very long time, Western media will stop talking about Ukraine's misery, followed by funding drying out.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 2 2025 10:53 utc | 38
Problem with those fighting NATOstan and their allies is that they're not crazy/ruthless enough - too humane. NATO madmen understand escalation dominance while their opponents act too rational/human to their own detriment. Hezbollah found out the hard way.
They fail to realize that for NATOstan, negotiations are just tools that are meant to tied down their opponents at very little cost to them while they aggressively pursue their objectives in the shadows. Putin better watch out.
Posted by: Zico | Jun 2 2025 11:00 utc | 39
The concerned circus troupe is back. "Russians are this", they say, "Russians are that". None of then talked to a single Russian in their lives, but who wants pesky details.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 2 2025 11:01 utc | 40
Oui | Jun 2 2025 10:06 utc | 22
People within the CIA and USEUCOM offices, who are providing assistance to Ukraine, likely knew about the plan, and may even have provided intelligence support to get the drones to their targets.……
This has a déjà vu reminiscent of the blowing up of NS2.
In the immediate moments, as the gas bubbled to the surface, Polish FM Radek Sikorski, tweeted: thank you USA.
The first flush of delirium was quickly grounded by others who saw the sabotage as an act of war…. Then it was back pedal back pedal back pedal, until it was a preposterous story of 5 Ukrainians on a catamaran.
Now we see the same. …Blowing up Russian nuclear capable aircraft IS SO MUCH FUN, until sober killjoys point out the possible repercussions.
Aaaand, now it’s deny deny deny…. the drones were launched by 5 Ukrainians on a catamaran… err from a shipping container… no.. it was a Kazakh babuska with a jar or pickles…
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2025 11:01 utc | 41
The first excerpt of an interesting article from this morning. A very serious aspect we did not spot.
Imagine the meeting in Turkey today that this was timed to intercept!!!
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There’s an important detail to remember. People are laughing at the long-range Russian bombers being left out in the open, vulnerable to attack. However, the bomber visibility is required as part of several nuclear agreements between the USA and Russia (SALT and START). Our U.S. long range nuclear capable bombers, covered under the same agreements, are also visible.
Ukraine President Zelenskyy is playing with fire by targeting them, which also explains why Zelenskyy never told President Trump in advance.
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Think about the ramifications of NATO enabled Ukraine targeting major Russian military assets which are vulnerable only because they are part of a previously agreed U.S-Russia negotiation to remain vulnerable. In essence, an argument can be made by Russia that NATO -and by extension us- have targeted nuclear capable missile systems, and those systems were protected by the SALT/START treaties. How would we respond of an adversary launched a strike against our strategic long-range nuclear capable bombers in the USA?
I cannot imagine how President Trump would address a phone call with President Putin when the leader of the Russian Federation confronts him with the reality that it was NATO and USA military support, actual hardware and technical capability, that has provided Ukraine with the ability to target strategic nuclear weapons.
Posted by: JohninMK | Jun 2 2025 11:01 utc | 42
Perspective...
I believe the overwhelming consensus between the 'minds' of many people around the world (even the East), is that Russia isn't truly winning anything except for the battlefield (short-term), which doesn't equate the end of the war by any means in the long term. There is a saying that the 'majority' way of thinking has power over the minorities thoughts. So in other words if enough people 'believe' they will die of a certain disease, they will experience it, regardless of what the illusion is.
Posted by: MrPerspective | Jun 2 2025 11:05 utc | 43
@Melaleuca | Jun 2 2025 11:01 utc | 43
In this case we have seen videos of the container trucks, and even drones taking off from them. So the modus is pretty clear.
In the NS2 case the catamaran story is just BS without any connection to reality, a ridiculous media story to cover for USS Kearsarge.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 11:07 utc | 44
@ norwegian
Ukrainian delegation arrives at negotiations again partly in military uniform.
That is historically correct for unconditional surrender.
https://www.flightradar24.com/3a9b5446
Anonymous Boeing 767-35H(ER)(BDSF) transport arrived at Rzsezow from Urumqi in China. Looks like China haven't shut bin pelohoughian.
Also a German Air Force A400M transport.
https://www.flightradar24.com/GAF090/3a9c6d96
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 2 2025 11:12 utc | 46
EXCELLENT b !
It's not plausible because Ukraine doesn't have any satellites. The West helped plan the attack as the photo of satellite pictures on Dima's military summary channel today shows.
Therefore, the new start treaty was broken by the US. The promise under the treaty that these airfields would never be attacked.
Has Trump condemned the attacks yet, or did he even warn Putin as he clearly knew in advance. Where's the truth social apology?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
At this point Brian Berletic is the best analyst of the situation. Has been since it started. He's been right about everything.
The question remains - will the rag tag bunch of right wing Trump apologists who drink at this bar. Now admit the truth ?
A glaring truth that has been obvious since Trumpian Phoneyfart came to power.
Never in a million years, these right wing ideologues who drink at this bar are the dumbest of the dumb on many different subjects. Continue to prove it on a daily basis regardless of the topic.
One has to question why they are even here.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 2 2025 11:20 utc | 47
Britain anxious about retaliation?
- Starmer: Britain moves to "war-fighting readiness."
https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1929483359798878642
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2025 11:20 utc | 48
-B-
Respectfully, this analysis is rather worn and simplified.
Showing up or not for the “talks” matters not to Ukraine, since they already have full West backing to not agree to anything or capitulate.
This attack was much simpler in strategy and optics:
1) was already set to go and green lighted by Graham/US/UK
2) was needed to strengthen Graham & Blumenthal expected Bill & convince Congress to fork up more weapons and money come July 1st as Bidens cache and draw down will be completed.
My opinion, was initiated for the “after talks” since no doubt Grahams Bill will be introduced this week, or perhaps just pushed thru while Congress is recessed.
Trump will pretend screech, and the war will go in.
Posted by: Trubind1 | Jun 2 2025 11:23 utc | 49
Hm. The drone train is pretty clever. I also notice that pagers are making a comeback. Just sayin'...
Posted by: Stumpy | Jun 2 2025 11:24 utc | 50
Dear Eurocons,
Nothing sadder than a pirate empire that can't even operate a rowboat.
Posted by: Stumpy | Jun 2 2025 11:26 utc | 51
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 2 2025 10:45 utc | 37
Don't forget that Elensky already threatened The Donald that he would feel the effects of the war, in the Oval Office to boot, just before things went ballistic.
If the START treaty argument is correct, then the US is just as wide open to a similar attack.
I suspect RF retaliation will be strong and made with tacit approval from Orange Man to teach Elensky a lesson about the balance of power. It could well be terminal.
We all know this was done with the help of the Coalition of the Willing, I note that this mornings papers are pointedly failing to do reporting on 'Putin's humiliation' - though I'm sure it's a coincidence.
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 2 2025 11:28 utc | 52
There's a pict, and it's telling, that's a shit-ton of work accomplished in just one day. Putin doesn't need to mobilze the population, NATO/Pentagon's terrorism is doing it for him, my guess is he well foresaw that, if Putin doesn't already have the entire country behind him like Stalin, Churchill, or Roosevelt had at the height of the war, he soon will. NATO's entire plan to bring down Russia by internally discrediting and disgracing the Putin administration utterly collapsed, now NATO no matter what lingering magical thinking it holds on to, and no matter what mistakes, Putin, the Stavka, or the MoD make, like Napoleon and Hitler before them will have to fight the entire Russian nation to the end. They asked for it, they got it.
Train traffic on a section of the railway in the Bryansk region has been restored. The repairmen are simply awesome, they worked all night.It will take about 4 months to restore the blown-up bridge.
The total number of victims in the terrorist attack in the Bryansk region was 104 people. Some of the wounded are in serious condition.
Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 2 2025 11:29 utc | 53
The US has warned its European allies that Russia is preparing a "disproportionate response" to the attack on the air bases.
YES? Hazelnut? Destruction of infrastructure in Ukraine?
Question...what is "disproportionate" now: flattening Kyiv or US bases?
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 2 2025 9:26 utc | 10
<=Disproportion London.. it will shrink their balls?
Posted by: snake | Jun 2 2025 11:32 utc | 55
No statement so far from Medvedev after the drone attacks. Bandera-followers might want to take note of that.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 11:36 utc | 56
Remember this .. And never forget it.
This bunch of rag tag right wing ideologues who drink at this bar even started to attack Brian Berletic.
Never on the facts. They always lose when they debate the facts. But in the true to form fashion of attacking him personally.
Let's face it. When push comes to shove it is all they have got. You can smell their ignorance and hypocrisy from the other side of the street. Like pig pen in Charlie Brown.
Trump never knew they will cry ...
It was those muslims ( or dark skinned people), woke, transvestites, commies, marxists, climate change, our taxes, the debt, the deficit, the public sector , Europeans ( but not Orban and Le Pen or AFD) China and Asia etc, etc, etc,
WOT done it....
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 2 2025 11:38 utc | 57
46 years later, an obscure paragraph in a nuclear arms limitation treaty is used to attack Russian airfields.
The SALT2 arms limitation treaty (1979) between USA and USSR, later Russia, states nuclear bombers have to be out in the open, where satellites can see them:
Each party undertakes not to interfere with the national technical means of verification of the other Party operating in accordance with paragraph 1 of this Article.
Each Party undertakes not to use deliberate concealment measures which impede verification by national technical means of compliance with the provisions of this Treaty. This obligation shall not require changes in current construction, assembly, conversion, or overhaul practices. (salt 2 treaty)
Formally speaking, SALT2 never entered into force. The SALT2 treaty was never never formally ratified by the United States Senate. but informally both sides voluntarily followed treaty provisions. That might end now.
The cost: we may have damaged willingness to sign arms control treaties with the USA. Consider the chances of renewing current nuclear arms control treaties with Russia. The current treaty - new START - expires 5 February 2026.
Now consider what happened to our chances of getting of nuclear arms control treaties with China, North Korea, India, Pakistan, or even South Africa.
It's a steep price to pay for five bombers, and a day of churn in the internet.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 2 2025 11:41 utc | 58
This is a war conducted by a lawyer. If it's possible to achieve the goal without risking WW3 then that's the course the Kremlin will take IMO. Or as Pepe Escobar says, How to defeat the collective warmongering West without launching WWIII. It will have to be Sun Tzu remixed. Coupled with Lao Tzu.
Posted by: Ralph Conner | Jun 2 2025 11:49 utc | 59
Salaam ,JohninMK @44-did not the exceptionalist destroy the new start treaty together with open skies treaty (shoes W).SALT is still,up for renewal in a year or two- I can't remember for sure!Help needed Nevertheless payback's incoming and it will be a blast!
Posted by: 4q8 | Jun 2 2025 11:50 utc | 60
It is reported that negotiations between Russia and Ukraine have begun in Istanbul.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/166952
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 11:51 utc | 61
useful link
https://www.southfront.press/everything-we-know-about-ukraines-drone-attack-on-russian-bombers-videos/
Posted by: snake | Jun 2 2025 11:55 utc | 62
Re: Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 2 2025 9:26 utc | 10
Question...what is "disproportionate" now: flattening Kyiv or US bases?
lol. Neither of these things will happen.
Talk about an overly excited fever dream!
Maybe the Russians will launch some missiles at Pokrovsk?
Posted by: Julian | Jun 2 2025 11:59 utc | 63
If this had been Biden ...
EVERYBODY and I mean EVERYBODY at the bar would be speaking with one voice.
We see YOU, We all see YOU. You are just a rag tag bunch of right wing wankers. Every time you vote you will keep voting for it. It will be the right wing populists next because you are the dumbest of the dumb and very easily fooled. All it takes is a set of Disco lights.
Even after watching Trumpian Phoneyfart up close. You are all still stupid enough to believe the right wing populists will be different.
Everybody else with a functioning brain will have to suffer because of your stupidity.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 2 2025 12:00 utc | 64
Let's deal with a couple of issues:
one I'm bringing over from the other thread
"Has anyone seen satellite photos yet? Normally it only takes a few hours for the YT crowd to start ‘expertly’ analysing the evidence. Should be easy, after all I doubt the Russians will be able to hide 41 damaged/destroyed airframes before a spy in space gets into position.
So far I’ve seen 2/3 Tu-95’s and an AN-12 hit (the Tu-95’s looked like write offs).
Posted by: Milites | Jun 1 2025 22:02 utc | 282"
Apparently neither 4 nor 40
from the source (pro -uk) we could say NO MORE than 12 bombers
Some direct posts of images
https://x.com/OsintTV/status/1929405346923307356
Now for more interesting stuff.
After an attempt at pinning trump "he knew", it was denied, rubio gives sincere condolences and...
ALMOST 20 HOURS without a truth post... (might be a record)
Adding kellogs' previous "yes its a proxy war" and the rumor abut trump's warning to allies about a disproportionate reply
Also adding second round of Russia-Ukraine talks kicking off...
I'm curious...
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 12:01 utc | 65
I think b is right. The Russians are tough. Very tough. They lost 27 million in the last big war. We're pussies compared to them. juliania is right too. Look at Chechnia. Russians and Chinese have learned how to integrate their clans better than most countries.
All clans have their fascist tendancies: "we are special and you are not!" Kentucky/W. Virginia had Hatfields and McCoys. Ukraine has the Galician Banderites. Western countries built their empires on their local clans, pumping them with amo and ego.
Russia understands this. But they are tough. Way tougher than the people in the decaying western empire. Russia will prevail
Posted by: migueljose | Jun 2 2025 12:02 utc | 66
Re: Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 9:49 utc | 19
Nobody pretends what happened was nothing, getting the facts correct matters.
Looks like you are against peace negotiations?
Peace negotiations should happen after the war is won.
The Russians should forget about Minsk 3.0 / Istanbul 2.0++ - did they take forget the problems with signing an agreement with an agreement incapable foe?
If they have forgotten that it proves they’ve learnt nothing unfortunately.
The solution to end this war is for Russia to WIN THE WAR and then DICTATE TERMS to the defeated foe.
If the Russians aren’t DICTATING TERMS then it just means they haven’t really won the war - despite what folks at the Bar claim.
Posted by: Julian | Jun 2 2025 12:07 utc | 67
the obvious:
🇺🇦 Ukrainian channel RezidentUA writes:A source in the Ukrainian Presidential Office revealed that Andrey Yermak is deliberately pushing emotional narratives about “peace” and “children” to manipulate public opinion in the West and within the Trump administration. The President’s Office continues to rely on emotional diplomacy for media optics—fully aware that the real goal is to stall for time. For Kiev, negotiations are secondary. The priority is delay.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 2 2025 12:09 utc | 68
I just read the Ukrainian memorandum which is now published in various canals.
My thought about it: Ukraine doesn‘t want a ceasefire/
peace and they still fully believe that they are winning.
Which baffles me but hey, a lot of Germans also believed in Winter 44/45 everything will turn out just fine.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 2 2025 12:12 utc | 69
Posted by: rk | Jun 2 2025 9:12 utc | 5 "don't know if the treaty requires that"
It does not. You can look up the treaty itself. And see that Russia suspended the treaty a few years back after the SMO started.
Posted by: ed4 | Jun 2 2025 12:15 utc | 70
Co-belligerence starts to sound a mild term to apply...
The Ukrainian Armed Forces have been permitted to join the Command and Control Center System Interface digital platform employed by the majority of NATO member states, which allows the country’s newly supplied F-16 and Mirage 2000 fighters and its MIM-104 Patriot air defence systems to share data directly with countries across the alliance. The platform is considered vital for providing the enhanced situational awareness needed for decision making at the tactical and strategic levels, and enabling effective coordination between interoperable forces from countries fighting together.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/ukraine-f16s-patriot-batteries-targeting-data-nato
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 12:20 utc | 71
reply to 71
The media is overflowing with nonsense about negotiations. Zelensky will be killed if he offers the slightest compromise. The Neo Nazis have said as much. All these headlines are just theater. My curiosity is why Russia doesn't insist on elections or just kill him. I continue to think he favors their interests in permanently destroying or disabling Ukraine.
My other question: when does Ukraine drop a dirty bomb on Russia?
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 2 2025 12:24 utc | 72
All the talking heads believe Ukraine claims of 40 destroyed bombers without question...
@ Eclipse | Jun 2 2025 8:51 utc | 2
The number itself is highly suspicious, standing for "a whole lot" in many ancient texts. Forty days and forty nights would represent a more or less infinite ordeal, in that hazy landscape of our numerical collective unconscious.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 2 2025 12:29 utc | 74
Petite terrorism out of a WW II British fiction script.
Keep Calm and Carry on!
Posted by: paddy | Jun 2 2025 12:32 utc | 75
Satellite imagery from Southfront:
Posted by: Spark | Jun 2 2025 12:26 utc | 75
So Southfront confirms "my" 12 bombers @67
Thanks
So... at least 10% is not trivial...
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 12:33 utc | 76
My other question: when does Ukraine drop a dirty bomb on Russia?
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 2 2025 12:24 utc | 74
Odessa capitulation time very critical.
The number itself is highly suspicious, standing for "a whole lot" in many ancient texts. Forty days and forty nights would represent a more or less infinite ordeal, in that hazy landscape of our numerical collective unconscious.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 2 2025 12:29 utc | 76
unfortunately 12 seem to be certain, otherwise i could joke about a mistranslation of "a couple of scores"
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 12:37 utc | 78
Excellent analysis here:
https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/ukraine-attacks-russian-nuclear-forces
Posted by: Sir Keef | Jun 2 2025 12:41 utc | 79
This bombing of the Russian airfield in the interior of Russia has the foot print of England the evil Satan in it.
England has threat from Russia near bombers and not Ukraine which is next door to Russia so no use nuking Ukraine. Best is to attack england.
That is why england plotted this destruction of strategic bombers.
But clueless coward Putin will find l excuse not to kill English parasites.
Putin must be replaced now.
Posted by: Sam | Jun 2 2025 12:41 utc | 80
Posted by: NoName | Jun 2 2025 12:12 utc | 71The German HQ knew full well that the war was lost -- that's why the group around Stauffenberg tried to kill Hitler, an attempt to get a peace in the West and, ideally, a common war effort against the USSR.Ukraine doesn‘t want a ceasefire/peace and they still fully believe that they are winning.
Which baffles me but hey, a lot of Germans also believed in Winter 44/45 everything will turn out just fine.
A lot of ordinary people also knew full well that the war was coming home, and only diehards would've thought otherwise in winter 1944. (At that time, aerial bombing all over Germany was in full swing and the bad news couldn't be kept from the home front.)
I agree with you that the Ukrainian *government* (not "Ukraine") doesn't want a peace agreement. If it wouldn't be so sad, it'd be funny: the Russian and Ukrainian governments are enacting a charade to please others. For Moscow, that's the ROW, demonstrating that they care about international law and peace. Kiev is forced to attend the "negotations" by order from Washington.
Of course, these aren't negotiations either. Each side presents their memorandum and that's it.
I don't think that Kiev thinks they're winning and I am not sure if they ever believed that -- what does "winning against Russia" mean anyway? Ukrainian tanks on Red Square? It's by now established that the Western plan wasn't to have Ukraine win (because that's impossible) but to make Russia lose (which was more realistic). As that didn't work out either, team Trump is being slightly realist here and dumping the whole mess into the lap of the Europeans. You are still right that Kiev refuses any concessions and it's interesting to ponder why they do that, given their lost position. And clearly, the war is a mess but a net positive for a lot of people, many of them in Ukrainian establishment. That's enough to keep going. (There is a group who's ideologically motivated to go all the way but I reckon that enrichment and power abuse are the dominating factors.)
Posted by: Konami | Jun 2 2025 12:45 utc | 81
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 12:20 utc | 73
I was reading "Le figaro" (french press) and it seems Hellenskiy is at Vilnius today to "participate in a NATO meeting with Mark Putte", not "attend", not "assist" ; "participate" .... words have a meaning.
On another topic, me think the attack on the planes was "the hand of the magician" (attacks on military infrastructures are "legit") but what the Russian won't forget are the two ones on civilian passenger trains happening few hours earlier (that aren't legit and qualifies at least as war crimes.). A news succeeding to another : the attacks on civilians were not mentioned at all in the western MSM.
"Rail war" is ongoing since 22 in Russia, and up until now the FSB prevailed ... this one was maybe "A bridge too far" and it will bears harsh consequences.
Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 2 2025 12:45 utc | 82
https://turcopolier.com/an-astonishing-raid-deep-inside-russia-rewrites-the-rules-of-war/
Posted by: morongobill | Jun 2 2025 12:47 utc | 83
🇺🇦 Ukrainian and international outlets have released the full version of the peace memorandum that Kiev submitted to the Russian side ahead of today's negotiations in Istanbul.https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/149677The document reads like it was hammered out at 3 a.m. by a sleep-deprived intern on cocaine—because it probably was.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 12:54 utc | 84
As Trump has found out ... if you don't attend the Daily Briefing you are uninformed.
And if you do attend, you are misinformed!
Posted by: Tel | Jun 2 2025 12:56 utc | 85
You have endured beyond any of your followers, but some of us who were at the beginning of this saga at least are still here to sing your praises.
Don't let it go to your head. ;)
@ juliania | Jun 2 2025 10:27 utc | 31
Thank you for your gratitude, juliania, which I can share (if not your graciousness). This incident illustrates how consistent b has been in his rock-solid sobriety, while everyone else is running around with their hair on fire.
This thread is overall-outstanding, as usual. Coming through with the right stuff at the right time. What a bar!
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 2 2025 12:56 utc | 86
If the START treaty argument is correct, then the US is just as wide open to a similar attack.Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 2 2025 11:28 utc | 54
They are only at risk if they bother to follow the treaty ... but why START now?
Ka-boom tish.
Posted by: Tel | Jun 2 2025 13:01 utc | 87
according to tass, the "negotiations" have concluded after about an hour.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 2 2025 13:01 utc | 88
🇷🇺🇺🇦 TASS reports that the negotiations between Russia and Ukraine have concluded.https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/149683
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 13:01 utc | 89
I suppose a meeting that lasted only one hour did not involve any negotiations, but Ukraine got the memo I guess ... 😨
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 2 2025 13:12 utc | 90
Excellent analysis here:
https://arngrimr.substack.com/p/ukraine-attacks-russian-nuclear-forces
Posted by: Sir Keef | Jun 2 2025 12:41 utc | 81
Near the end it mirrors what i said much earlier.
"I hope that Trump uses this insane attack, with that unacceptable risk (disrupting the nuclear deterrence balance) and the blatant attempt to drag him and the US into nuclear war, and pulls back all support for Ukraine. No more money, weapons, nor ammunition, but, very importantly, no more intelligence sharing whatsoever. This way it will be clear: the US is NOT aiding in such insane attacks."
I would add that informing allies (uk mostly) that the us will NOT back them, should they ride that train, is also critical.
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 13:12 utc | 91
Sorry, but this is a joke of a war, SMO or whatever you want to call it. Putin is either gotta grow a pair and be more ruthless, or he is the one who is gonna get worn down, not the West, because Ukraine is the frist chapter of a war he is neither capable to fight, let alone win, based on the performance of the past 3 years. NATO is literally going to look at his terms and 'ultimatums' and tell him to get lost, and piss all over another red line, one red line after another, and bleed him dry until either he gets killed by his own men or replaced.
Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 2 2025 9:14 utc | 6
Yet 86% of the world population supports Russia and hates nato. NATO is well on the way to being demilitarized. Like most concern trolls you have zero idea what is actually happening or even why you are losing. When this conflict is ends in 2030 there won’t be a nato or an eu.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jun 2 2025 13:16 utc | 92
NATO is literally going to look at his terms and 'ultimatums' and tell him to get lost, and piss all over another red line, one red line after another, and bleed him dry until either he gets killed by his own men or replaced.Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 2 2025 9:14 utc | 6
"Too slow! Putin must go!!!"
I've been hearing end of Putin predictions for a long, long time ... if you keep going long enough you might just get the "stopped clock" bounce.
Putin won't beat Father Time, but so far he has beaten NATO handily. Of course the peace talks won't achieve peace ... only normal people want that, none of the leaders give a toss about peace ... but they often do want to keep up appearances.
That's all Russia is doing ... being the last to escalate because when it's all over (and at this stage I guess Ukraine will be completely defeated in 12 months or less) they can say, "At all times we followed every procedure, and made every effort". As I have said ... Russia plays for time while they gain ground but they sure know how to keep up appearances.
Posted by: Tel | Jun 2 2025 13:19 utc | 93
https://x.com/genflynn/status/1929297294358139364?s=61&t=lMah460dFtkn5OJjmInBwA
Update from General Mike Flynn: “ATTENTION!
So, it appears Zelenskyy gave the go ahead to attack parked Russian nuclear capable bombers without informing President Trump (if true that our President was not consulted nor informed, this isn’t simply a breach of protocol. It’s a geopolitical insult and a warning sign. If Ukraine is willing to conduct strikes with strategic consequences without notifying the White House, we are no longer allies with coordination issues—we are co-belligerents flying blind).
Also given Senator “warmonger” Lindsey Graham’s and Senator “Da Nang Dick” Blumenthal’s recent visit, this attack could appear as though it was sanctioned. I pray the Russians have better intelligence than that. IMHO, these two don’t have the sense or common sense to pull something like this off (there will have to be denials though).
FYI, Those bombers that were hit HAVE to be out in full view due to nuclear treaty obligations. Zelenskyy took advantage of that. For instance, they appear to have hidden the drones in containers and were driven on trucks near the airbase. Smart use of deception (see photos below).
However, imagine any one of our big bomber bases having the exact same thing done to them. Very costly U.S. Strategic Bombers can be taken out in the same way by anyone with access to inexpensive drones, delivery trucks, explosives, and a bit of technical knowledge (not good and new tactics will now have to be developed).
People, and especially world leaders, need to realize the global implications to such an operation as Ukraine just pulled off.
Russia will respond. Action, reaction, counteraction. Those are the shifting tides of warfare.
This wasn’t a bold action, it was brash. Ukraine’s short-term win could be the world’s long-term loss.
Despite what is a complete mess right now in Europe, there are still solutions to achieving peace. They are narrowing however and time, as it often does, becomes an enemy instead of a useful friend.“
Posted by: Heidi's Walker | Jun 2 2025 13:21 utc | 94
Never in a million years, these right wing ideologues who drink at this bar are the dumbest of the dumb on many different subjects. Continue to prove it on a daily basis regardless of the topic.
One has to question why they are even here.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 2 2025 11:20 utc | 49
More verbal diarrhea from the king of the retards. It’s amazing that you call people dumb when you supported an actual fucking potato that had sex with his 14 year old daughter as president. I have no use for the lying agent orange but that doesn’t change the fact that he replaced a potato in the White House or that you are completely retarded.
Posted by: Screwdriver | Jun 2 2025 13:28 utc | 95
Russia? Deliver an ultimatum? Delusional at best. Britkrainia can now destroy Russia, Russian infrastructure, Russian citizens and anything they want within Russia proper and there is fuck all Russia can do about it.....virtual high fives from Whitehall to Berlin.
Cheers M
.....you deserve what you get, anyone leaving that many planes, strategic old planes or not, sitting around waiting to be attacked, pin prick ......right guys, maybe Russia will deliver a pin prick ultimatum....as Dima Russia will strike 404.....if they can find something to blow up......
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 2 2025 13:29 utc | 96
Weirdly, elements of Project Ukraine have morphed into next-level Russiagate in order to invalidate DJT’s agenda and his presidency and preempt even the most modest of rapprochement w/ Russia—-exactly as the first iteration of Russiagate did.
Even before DJT returned to the White House, he signaled that he would take a different tack toward the war in Ukraine than Collective Biden had, and of course this destabilized Kiev’s Euro-curators to such an extent that they flew into overdrive, attempting to get DJT to agree to backstop their long-desired wider war.
Which DJT did not do.
Instead, the diplomacy track spun forward—fits & starts which yielded little but a mutual prisoner exchange.
While DJT has threatened “to walk away” from Project Ukraine numerous times, he can’t: the U.S. is a foundational belligerent of the conflict.
Kiev, emboldened by its Euro-curators, reminds DJT of this continually, whether enveloping VVP’s helicopter in a drone-swarm, or violating the nuclear triad by mounting an attack on the Olenya airbase.
Worried about VVP tapping him along, DJT is tapping himself along.
He’s not an Achilles sulking in his tent so much as a Hamlet who sees what must be done but cannot do it.
In this, DJT is Russiagating himself.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 2 2025 13:34 utc | 97
Yet another Russian strategic bomber base has been attacked just now.
Posted by: Jason | Jun 2 2025 13:27 utc | 97
Source or GTFO
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 2 2025 13:35 utc | 98
Oh and for the attrition fools who believe continuing the war that way is how you win......notice Ukie gave Russia a lesson on how blowing up strategic bridges really fucks with the enemies supply lines.....had Russia chosen existential war over commerce war and removed all the major bridges the SMO would have end over a year ago.....ok bright lights, shine on......
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 2 2025 13:36 utc | 99
If you look at b's forum empirically then the impotent anger we're witnessing is a sure sign Russia is on the right path. Let the wailing commence!
It is a normal tendency of humans to flock to the winners. Some of the regulars are steadfast with the ever-losing side. I commend the bravado but does it sting a little inside? :)
Posted by: Konami | Jun 2 2025 13:36 utc | 100
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please Russia, please use the non nuclear take out zelinsky option. it's time to take out the puppet snake, so the next puppet snake knows that his life is on the line!
Posted by: BurnEye | Jun 2 2025 8:40 utc | 1