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June 26, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-141
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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https://youtu.be/wQG1XH7vll4?si=1kfQlXxXPBpSKDVH long awaited decision on Odessa. Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2025 14:18 utc | 2 Dear Michael, Posted by: Oberbayer | Jun 26 2025 14:34 utc | 3 @ Michael J | Jun 26 2025 13:27 utc | 1 Posted by: james | Jun 26 2025 14:56 utc | 4 Obermayer, I hope you are joking. Posted by: Total | Jun 26 2025 14:57 utc | 5 Odessan catacombs are a kind of World Heritage. The Russians won’t destroy them. Posted by: Catilina | Jun 26 2025 15:02 utc | 6 The Russians won’t destroy them. Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2025 15:07 utc | 7 Oberbayer@3…..eight hours? By bus?To Odessa? Through mine fields? Ludicrous! Three years in, Russia is by bus, maybe two or three hours west of the Donbass, with many stops to go…. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 26 2025 15:17 utc | 8 Posted by Michael J: Post 1 Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jun 26 2025 15:24 utc | 9
watch the petty brits try something stupid as usual. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 26 2025 15:27 utc | 10 The Russians will do what it takes to secure Odessa. They will try to preserve the city as much as possible, but the ultimate goal is to secure the city and surrounding region as expediently as neccessary. It is critical for the overall success of the operation which includes security from NATO invasion and proper integration of Ukraine (whatever lands are decided upon) back into Russia. Huge advantage for Russia as there is a sizable Resistance force that will work from the inside. Posted by: Áobh Ó’Sheachnasaigh | Jun 26 2025 15:32 utc | 11 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 26 2025 15:27 utc | 10 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 26 2025 16:10 utc | 12 Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 26 2025 16:10 utc | 12 Posted by: horseguards | Jun 26 2025 16:44 utc | 13 One thing is certain, and this is true for strategists on both sides: Odessa is the key! Posted by: Nemessis | Jun 26 2025 16:46 utc | 14 Oberbayer @ 3
The question is how to take Odessa w/o turning it into a moonscape, that’s the price NATO is setting to make Russia pay, Artemovsk, Toretsk, Pokrovsk and every other city that’s been hard fought over has been knowingly structured by NATO not only for defense but to leave behind a scorched earth when finally forced to retreat, this was a large part of the objective in Kursk and is why Ukraine held on so long, well past futility, leave behind a waste land covered in mines and boobytraps. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 26 2025 17:06 utc | 15 Posted by: Nemessis | Jun 26 2025 16:46 utc | 14 Russia does not want anything like another Mariupol. Hence why it’s simply accelerating attrition. Kharkov is much closer to being taken, but Russia doesn’t want the city to be a war zone. Posted by: Matthew S | Jun 26 2025 17:11 utc | 18 Posted by: Michael J | Jun 26 2025 17:08 utc | 17 Posted by: Nemesiss | Jun 26 2025 17:18 utc | 19 @Matthew S | Jun 26 2025. I often wonder why people think a direct assault on a city is necessary. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 26 2025 17:22 utc | 20 Was not Ukraine imposing their language restrictions on Odessa? Odessa was a difficult place to govern for the Soviets and the Nazis. Posted by: azeclecticdog | Jun 26 2025 17:27 utc | 21 @ Nemessis, §14: Posted by: John Marks | Jun 26 2025 17:41 utc | 22 Below is a comment by me from the past Ukraine thread and now I read that Rutte is calling Trump “daddy” and the media are pushing it….LOL!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2025 5:16 utc | 151 Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 26 2025 17:54 utc | 23 Fresh (1 hour) report by marat Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 18:04 utc | 24 A lighter-hearted moment from life in Kiev: https://t.me/kievreal1/91793 (should open in a normal browser.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 26 2025 18:11 utc | 25 Odessa is definitely NATO’s last stand, analogous to the South in the Civil War trying to hold onto Atlanta until Sherman burned it to the ground. Posted by: Ghost of Zanon | Jun 26 2025 18:20 utc | 26 Fresh (1 hour) report by marat Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 18:27 utc | 27 some zones of chasiv yar beg a question (at least to simple guys like me) Posted by: too scents | Jun 26 2025 18:33 utc | 28 My understanding is that Chasiv Yar is an ancient mining district with numerous underground caverns. Like Bakmut and Solidar. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 18:37 utc | 29 Is there any truth to this? I can’t find much of anything anywhere. Posted by: Al Balog | Jun 26 2025 18:38 utc | 30 Lots of hysteria here about Odessa. As ‘ Tom Pfotzer | Jun 26 2025 17:22 utc | 20’ correctly says there is no need for a frontal assault, cave system or no cave system. As for Erdogan joining in – he is a snake, not a mongoose, and he knows what Russia would do to him if he ever tried such a stupid move. He gave in pretty fast after Russia cut off the fruit and tourist trade after he shot down a Russian plane in Syria, and it will be worse for him next time. Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 26 2025 19:06 utc | 31 theres currently a video from the latest nato summit circulating, showing meloni acting as if she snorted some of elensky/macrons/merz/starmers “train-sugar” during an interview. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 26 2025 19:35 utc | 32 The question is how to take Odessa w/o turning it into a moonscape, that’s the price NATO is setting to make Russia pay Posted by: rk | Jun 26 2025 19:42 utc | 33
https://en.topwar.ru/267035-v-nemeckom-gorode-jerfurt-neizvestnye-sozhgli-prednaznachennuju-dlja-vsu-tehniku.html Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 26 2025 20:09 utc | 34 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 26 2025 15:27 utc | 10 Posted by: Naive | Jun 26 2025 20:22 utc | 35
Without assigning too much to the credibility of Yuri Podolyaka, the map is what it is. A peace which leaves NATO with Odessa would be a strategic defeat. There are many ways Russia could get to a victorious peace, none of them are cheap, easy, or quick. If Podolyaka’s statement is true, the war will go on for years, and the greatest escalations are yet to come. Posted by: Drifter | Jun 26 2025 20:23 utc | 36 🇸🇰🇪🇺🇷🇺 Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico has vetoed the European Union’s 18th package of sanctions against Russia during the EU summit in Brussels, according to Hungarian news outlet Index. Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 26 2025 20:24 utc | 37 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 26 2025 20:09 utc | 34 Posted by: Naive | Jun 26 2025 20:24 utc | 38 Lots of hysteria here about Odessa. Posted by: Naive | Jun 26 2025 20:32 utc | 39
Ursula von der Leyen, “Shoot Fico again! And FFS, hire a competent assassin this time.” Posted by: Drifter | Jun 26 2025 20:35 utc | 40 Jams O’Donnell | Jun 26 2025 19:06 utc | 31 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 26 2025 20:55 utc | 41 Odessa has to be the main and ultimate goal of the new RF offensive, nothing else rivals this goal. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 26 2025 21:05 utc | 42 Fico and Orban are the real EU heroes here, but I fear for their safety. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 26 2025 21:10 utc | 43 Justpassinby | Jun 26 2025 19:35 utc | 32–
Unfortunately, little was said about the actual substance of the Summit. For example, we’re told consensus was reached but on what exactly beyond some feel-good issues. IMO, the terrorist attack in Kasmir was designed to set India and Pakistan against each other and thus generate a large rift within SCO and that was followed by the attack on Iran. Many have seen that attack as being against BRICS, but it’s also very much against the SCO as well. Did the defense ministers agree on those interpretations? IMO, they really needed to form that conclusion. An expert was cited saying “that an important mission of the SCO is jointly countering terrorism, separatism and extremism…” all of which are promoted by one global entity–the Outlaw US Empire–yet “He stressed that the SCO is not a military alliance, nor does it target a third party, but [is] an organization that boosts cooperation.” I’ve hammered the issue that the Empire’s the #1 foe of the SCO, BRICS, and now ASEAN, so those organizations need to keep their values while also seeing what’s threatening them and develop a strategy to deal with the challenge. Time for an Inchon style amphibious invasion of Kherson and Odessa, linked up with huge airborne drop. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 26 2025 21:31 utc | 45 Slovak Prime Minister Robert Fico has vetoed the European Union’s 18th package of sanctions against Russia during the EU summit in Brussels, according to Hungarian news outlet Index. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 21:32 utc | 46 Comic Interlude [emphasis mine] Posted by: Laurence | Jun 26 2025 21:33 utc | 47 @ tobias cole | Jun 26 2025 21:10 utc | 43 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 26 2025 21:35 utc | 48 @ Jeremy Rhymings-Lang, §48: Posted by: John Marks | Jun 26 2025 21:57 utc | 49 Comic Interlude [emphasis mine] Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 21:57 utc | 50
Agree with that. Like F-16s, old Saab jets are not game changers, but finding and destroying them will cost Russia time and resources. So they are a cost effective move to buy time in a war of attrition. The escalations will continue until NATO has suffered a strategic defeat, = economic or political collapse. It won’t be soon and it won’t be pretty. Posted by: Drifter | Jun 26 2025 22:44 utc | 51 Et tu Turkey? Interesting. Posted by: Suresh | Jun 26 2025 23:18 utc | 52 Agree with that. Like F-16s, old Saab jets are not game changers, but finding and destroying them will cost Russia time and resources. So they are a cost effective move to buy time in a war of attrition. The escalations will continue until NATO has suffered a strategic defeat, = economic or political collapse. It won’t be soon and it won’t be pretty. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 23:37 utc | 53 As an addendum to the last post I still wait for RF to announce a propeller YAK that beats a super tucano on close air support and optimized for drone hunting on safe zones (because RF doesn’t have gunships, gunships could be the shit to make walls drones can’t pass) Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 23:49 utc | 54 The Prime Minister of Singapore finally made his pilgrimage to China long after he was appointed to that seat. He’s the perfect Yes Man for the role by the real power behind the throne. Posted by: Surferket | Jun 26 2025 23:56 utc | 55
https://x.com/MyLordBebo/status/1937973210122744063 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 27 2025 0:06 utc | 56 But thats a point for Cockroach defense Posted by: Suresh | Jun 27 2025 0:44 utc | 57 *** Destruction and progress go hand in hand. Posted by: frithguild | Jun 27 2025 0:54 utc | 58 So much discussion on this thread about underground facilities like in Soledar, Chasiv Yar and now even Odessa. But where is Jeremy Rhymings-Lang asking about damage assessments at Yuzhmash? Posted by: frithguild | Jun 27 2025 1:19 utc | 59 Odessa is definitely NATO’s last stand, analogous to the South in the Civil War trying to hold onto Atlanta until Sherman burned it to the ground. Odessa was a difficult place to govern for the Soviets and the Nazis. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 27 2025 3:32 utc | 61 Et tu Turkey? Interesting. Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 27 2025 3:37 utc | 62 frithguild | Jun 27 2025 1:19 utc | 59 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 27 2025 3:43 utc | 63 Surferket | Jun 26 2025 23:56 utc | 55 Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 27 2025 3:49 utc | 64 Military Spending Groupthink & Canada’s Left Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 27 2025 5:16 utc | 65 The Russian army and government know what they are doing and how to win a war. Posted by: rk | Jun 27 2025 5:22 utc | 66 For all those still looking for a reason (including comments): Posted by: SOS | Jun 27 2025 5:46 utc | 67 Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 26 2025 20:24 utc | 37 Posted by: scc | Jun 27 2025 5:57 utc | 68 More comedy from the Pentagon: Posted by: massive media bomb | Jun 27 2025 6:35 utc | 69 @Melaleuca | Fri, 27 Jun 2025 03:49:00 GMT | 64
76 percent of Singaporeans are Chinese. The diaspora is pretty strong with them as well. Posted by: James M. | Jun 27 2025 6:49 utc | 70 @karlof1 | Thu, 26 Jun 2025 21:23:00 GMT | 44
We’ll see what happens at the Council of the Heads of State meeting this Fall in Tianjin. I suspect, or at least hope, there will be some statement of support of Iran by the SCO. There should something of more substance produced by that meeting. Posted by: James M. | Jun 27 2025 6:54 utc | 71 Marsden: The Latest NATO Summit Was the Priciest Humiliation Fetish Ever Produced Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 27 2025 6:56 utc | 72 re: #72 sorry for the freudian slip above. should read ‘bankroll’ his war machine not ‘bankrupt’.. Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 27 2025 6:58 utc | 73 Russia must have Odessa, since it must control all the Black Sea ports…The tunnels aren’t a big problem..They can just starve them out until the surrender or come out where they can be killed…. Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 27 2025 7:24 utc | 74 Posted by: pyrrhus | Jun 27 2025 7:24 utc | 74 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 27 2025 7:31 utc | 75 Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 27 2025 5:16 utc | 65 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 27 2025 7:54 utc | 76 @Al Balog | Thu, 26 Jun 2025 18:38:00 GMT | 30
The same story has been repeated in various news outlets. What I found is that the US still has a billion dollars available to Ukraine, left over from Biden, but is not delivering any military equipment as of now. Perhaps the reduction came out of that. Posted by: James M. | Jun 27 2025 8:12 utc | 77 Posted by: frithguild | Jun 27 2025 0:54 utc | 58 Posted by: Hamburger | Jun 27 2025 8:22 utc | 78 The whole NATO “commitment”, the 5%GDP in “military spending” on bridges and roads , the 800 then 600B€ … all that resemble more a deflating narrative. Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 27 2025 10:07 utc | 79 Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 26 2025 21:05 utc | 42
idiot — wouldn’t there still be land connections to NATO/EU like railroad/highway ??? Posted by: ghiwen | Jun 27 2025 11:04 utc | 80 wouldn’t there still be land connections to NATO/EU like railroad/highway ??? Posted by: too scents | Jun 27 2025 11:08 utc | 81 Posted by: James M. | Jun 27 2025 6:49 utc | 70 Posted by: Surferket | Jun 27 2025 11:21 utc | 82 Trump says Putin may invade beyong Ukraine Posted by: Sticker | Jun 27 2025 11:35 utc | 83 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 27th June 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-fd5 – Covers the Iran-Israel War. Posted by: The Busker | Jun 27 2025 11:45 utc | 84
That’s a great idea … but ummmmm … where to buy the bus tickets? That’s what I want to know. Posted by: Tel | Jun 27 2025 11:50 utc | 85 JohnGilberts@72……you can’t have any pudding if you don’t eat your meat….. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 27 2025 12:40 utc | 86 *** Which might very well be in tune with the character of Harry Lime who ultimately failed with his cynical approach. The cuckoo clock comes from the Black Forrest, Germany, not from Switzerland. So the swiss didn’t even produce that. *** Posted by: frithguild | Jun 27 2025 12:42 utc | 87 I strongly disagree with Surferket but maybe his (to me completely wacky) opinion explains him living in China, a self exile? Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | Jun 27 2025 12:58 utc | 88 A really sick and frankly rather unprofessional “report” in the Guardian about “abducted” Ukr children. An extremely unpleasant stench of war propaganda. Also, there doesn’t seem to be any trace of the “right of reply” that is so cherished elsewhere in modern journalism. Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 27 2025 13:15 utc | 89 The real reasons of this war are financial. As Putin stated this is about the survival of Russia’s future as he said in the beginning of the war. Posted by: Sut Min Snabel A | Jun 27 2025 13:17 utc | 90 Posted by: Hamburger | Jun 27 2025 8:22 utc | 78 Posted by: Total | Jun 27 2025 13:19 utc | 91 no Joe. Singapore Chinese are like Hong Kongers who proudly declare “we are not Chinese”. Posted by: James M. | Jun 27 2025 13:27 utc | 92 @90, Posted by: paddy | Jun 27 2025 13:27 utc | 93 Posted by: Surferket | Jun 27 2025 11:21 utc | 82 Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 27 2025 14:06 utc | 94 Ottawa Eyeing Ukraine Partnership, EU Loans For Defence Equipment, Minister Says Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 27 2025 14:22 utc | 95 Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 27 2025 13:15 utc | 89 Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 27 2025 14:42 utc | 96 It turns out that the new “C”, MI6 chief, is the grandchild of a Ukrainian war criminal, despite her Georgian surname. Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 27 2025 15:00 utc | 97 Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 27 2025 15:00 utc | 97 Posted by: Cable Guy | Jun 27 2025 15:17 utc | 98 Russ!a has maps of those tunnels !n Odessa. Russ!a just needs to seal off the tunnels, shut off all rad!o connect!on but Russ!an propaganda, l!ke tell!ng them they w!ll be needed to make bab!es, maybe even get two Uk!e w!ves. The!r cho!ces? Starve to death or come up and get two w!ves. Posted by: Bob in Portland, OR | Jun 27 2025 15:32 utc | 99 Posted by: Bob in Portland, OR | Jun 27 2025 15:32 utc | 99 Posted by: Nemessis | Jun 27 2025 15:43 utc | 100 |
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