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June 22, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-138
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Posted by: George | Jun 23 2025 8:43 utc | 92
There are numerous theories about why these migrations occurred and they cover practically every discipline, both hard and soft, but one area has to be approached sotto voce and that is the possibility that the migrations were driven, especially later on, by groups who were more adventurous, more creative at problem solving, more, in essence, dynamic. This obviously has the potential of causing huge turbulence, just as the worldwide genetic survey that seemed to suggest certain races had inherent strengths in certain intellectual disciplines and was rapidly shut down for legitimate fears of its funding becoming abused.
If you shear away the religious doctrine of divine creation and the concomitant belief in the equality of all you are going to perpetually run into these problems that science will invariably throw up as our understanding increases. It’s similar to the progressive’s academic capture of the environmental sciences and study of early civilisations and their conspiracy to starve anyone’s funding who tries to challenge the twin beliefs (its not science anymore simply misdirected spirituality) that there was a pre-industrial Eden, before Western society ejected the blameless occupants and precipitated the Fall from grace. A belief regularly brought up by some posters here, who seemingly revel in racist ideologies.
As for science and religion, both coexisted for centuries until religious belief was perceived to be a threat to the globalist project and so was ruthlessly targeted and its energy’s redirected to help sustain the control mechanisms and pre-placed establishment disrupters and dividers. Albert’s summation is the most concise summary of my personal opinion though, do you choose to be lame blind or neither.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 23 2025 11:08 utc | 97
True, if your predicate is that aggression is identical to violence and that violence has not hugely benefited from improved methods of communication, or that it cannot attain any level of sophistication. My central point was that our inherent aggression, that can lead to violence, has hugely benefitted mankind’s accelerated development in all fields of endeavour, (in some cases the progenitor), however shocking and disruptive its cost.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 23 2025 12:49 utc | 101
@ kupkee | Jun 22 2025 17:42 utc | 37
“the deeply witless”
Thanks for that succinct description
Posted by: cirsium | Jun 23 2025 13:25 utc | 102
More importantly, cooperation is humanity’s survival characteristic. Cooperation is to humanity what a cheetah’s speed and agility are, or an alligator’s powerful jaws are. Without cooperation (society) there would be no humanity. Without cooperation our ancestors would have been easy snacks for predators, regardless of how aggressive any individuals in that population were.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 23 2025 11:08 utc | 97
Fucking A Gruff. It’s also interesting to note that violence against our own as well as other lifeforms went full retard thanks to co operation. Any upgrade humanity gains will always include a good/bad dichotomy. The trick I think might lay in the individuals conscious understanding that there are always choices beyond either/or. Why live in a 3D world and interact with it using a 2D approach.The golden billion is being left behind in more ways than 1.
Posted by: Tannenhouser | Jun 23 2025 13:56 utc | 103
A blast from the past?
Anyone remember how all Ukrainian military vehicles would come to a standstill because of the stopping of diesel and other fuels?
So what happened? Russians happy to have the enemy drive up to be annihilated via attrition Verdun WWI style static warfare?
Russian oligarchs control Putin , and so still have lucrative diesel transport trade?
Ships are still smuggling diesel into the Ukraine via the Black Sea Wheat trade route?
P.S. is this sea-trade of Ukrainian wheat still occurring ? De facto at least, if even officially the Russians have stopped it?
Why does no-one mention these topics anymore?
Posted by: Topic | Jun 23 2025 13:57 utc | 104
The process of EU dissolution is on (as it should be)
Hungary and Slovakia have blocked the 18th package of sanctions against Russia, Hungarian Foreign Minister Szijjarto said.
https://t.me/ukr_leaks_eng/22446
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 23 2025 14:33 utc | 105
Human pre-history is rich with cooperation for murder. In essence, we were organized in small egalitaritan bands, which would bump off anyone who tried to dominate the group. Groups would also war with other groups. This seems to have led to evolutionary changes. See Reverse Dominance Hierarchy
These two books are a great introduction, read Boehm first.
Christopher Boehm’s Hierarchy in the Forest
Richard Wrangham’s The Goodness Paradox
For contemporary interesting work, see
David Sloan Wilson’s work on Multi-level selection & prosociality is at the cutting edge.
Ole Peters of Ergodicity Economics has found a deep mathematical error in utilitarianism. Fixing it results in explaining various things including why cooperation within groups is superior – risk sharing. See Farmer’s Fable
Posted by: Rahul | Jun 23 2025 15:22 utc | 106
A bit out lately but small update
DS is saying null day but I see advances, but maybe previous days (casualties also low on 1.200 level)
Marat’s post is fres (3 hours old)
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-june-22-2025
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 15:58 utc | 107
Leaked war plans sent to the US NSC instructed Kiev to carry out “ISIS”-style drone attacks on Russian trains and rail bridges, foreshadowing a series of deadly Ukrainian attacks this May and June.
A coterie of British and American academics advising the US National Security Council explicitly urged Ukraine adopt the tactics of ISIS in a detailed proposal for “anti-rail drone operations,” according to leaked documents reviewed by The Grayzone.
The aggressive war plans recommended in the files eerily foreshadowed Ukraine’s Operation Spider Web, which consisted of a series of brazen drone attacks waged inside Russia between May 24 and June 1 – the eve of scheduled negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. A pair of Ukrainian bombings of Russian trains in Bryansk on May 31 and Kursk and the following day left seven dead, and injured more than 30 people, including two children.
The attacks on Russian rail infrastructure have continued since the launch of Operation Spiderweb, suggesting the British-born strategy has heavily influenced the thinking of Kiev’s increasingly desperate military.
The leaked plans reviewed by The Grayzone explore the use of “inexpensive drones” as “a low-cost means for disrupting Russian logistics,” but also include blueprints for terror attacks composed by three “drone experts” before being passed to the Biden administration’s then-Director for Russia at the National Council, Col. Tim Wright.
Those experts belonged to a secret academic-intelligence cell called Project Alchemy, whose existence was first exposed by The Grayzone, and which was founded with a mission to “to keep Ukraine fighting” by imposing “strategic dilemmas, costs and frictions upon Russia.”
british… isis… terror attacks… yup, checks out.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 16:05 utc | 108
[Bilderberger] PM Carney in Brussels Today For EU-Canada Summit
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/prime-minister-carney-in-brussels-today-for-eu-canada-summit
“…Carney said on social media Sunday he was in Brussels to launch ‘a new era of partnership’ between Canada and the European Union to benefit workers, businesses and security ‘on both sides of the Atlantic.’
At the EU-Canada summit, [FM] Anand and [Defence Minister] McGuinty are expected to sign a security and defence agreement with the European bloc – an agreement one European official described last week as one of the most ambitious deals the continent’s powers have ever signed with a third country.
On Tuesday, Carney travels to The Hague for the NATO summit.”
See also: Canada Opens The Door To Deeper European Defence And Security Partnership
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-rearm-europe-deal-1.7567162
Corporate Capo Carney plans on selling Canada down the river to both Europe AND America.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:24 utc | 109
Milites | Jun 23 2025 12:49 utc | 101
Migrations, y-chromosomes, Corded Ware or Battle-Axe, all fascinating and all off topic.
“Polish pensioner planned to liquidate Zelensky at Polish airport, – SBU chief
They wanted to kill Zelensky at the Rzeszow airport using an FPV drone or a sniper, said the head of the SBU, Maluk.
▪️According to him, a Polish pensioner has been detained, who, according to investigators, was recruited by Russia.
▪️Last year, the SBU already reported the exposure of a Pole who offered the Russian special services an assassination attempt on Zelensky.”
via Slavyangrad
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 23 2025 18:31 utc | 110
I decided to put aside all snark so I’ll simply state that Iran’s retaliation, albeit very limited and arguably not provocative, is further motivation for the United States government, and possibly some NATO ones, to hoard to themself, and Israel, the bulk of their defenses against missile and drone attacks.
It’s not snark when I note that this is potentially awkward for the Trump administration, at least it could be if Zelenskyy loudly and incessantly claims Ukraine has been betrayed, and so on. And it’s a time honored principle of the United States that embarrassing the President can be viewed as an attack on America. Trump might start asking aloud, “Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?”.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_no_one_rid_me_of_this_turbulent_priest
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 23 2025 18:45 utc | 111
NATO Members To Postpone Spending Hike – Reuters
https://www.rt.com/news/620321-nato-spending-target-reuters/
“NATO members have agreed to delay the timeline for raising defense spending to the [5%] level sought by US President Donald Trump due to Spain’s opposition, Reuters reported on Monday…”
Good for Spain. See also #109
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 19:13 utc | 112
Going Underground: Dr Dmitry Trenin
https://www.rt.com/shows/going-underground/620222-trenin-russia-israel-relations
“Russian nuclear strike against Europe becoming more likely over Ukraine.”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 20:59 utc | 113
“Russian nuclear strike against Europe becoming more likely over Ukraine.”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 20:59 utc | 113
Thanks for posting that, it might help discussions centring around the credibility of RT as a reliable or un-conflicted source.
Nukes are not going to be used in the Ukrainian or European theatre (at least not by Russia, they simply don’t need to, the speed and accuracy of the conventional missile fleet is sufficient) despite some fetishists secret desires.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 21:09 utc | 114
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 23 2025 16:05 utc | 108
Indeed indeed.
Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 23 2025 18:45 utc | 111
I’m waiting for him to now strike ZNPP, and claim “we’ll if israel\US can hit civ reactors (iran and iraq way back when), so can we.”
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 21:11 utc | 115
WarReports: The Russian Army has captured Grekovka village [+3,7km2]
https://t.me/warreportss/4165
https://t.me/warreportss/4162
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 21:42 utc | 116
Among some other minor gains this was of note – if real- (divgen can be 50/50)
“Severskoye direction. The first assault groups of the Russian Armed Forces entered the long-suffering Serebryanka.”
https://t.me/geromanat/53279
Posted by: knighthawk | Jun 23 2025 21:45 utc | 117
@Milites | Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:49:00 GMT | 101
My central point was that our inherent aggression, that can lead to violence, has hugely benefitted mankind’s accelerated development in all fields of endeavour, (in some cases the progenitor), however shocking and disruptive its cost.
Strictly speaking, this feat is not inherent to the aggression itself, but to the focused intent that comes with it. One might argue the point I guess, but we are in a position where we have a nice live experiment on the question running: can the Chinese with their allegedly conformist society be innovators like the individualist people from the west?
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 23 2025 22:31 utc | 118
Nukes are not going to be used in the Ukrainian or European theatre (at least not by Russia, they simply don’t need to, the speed and accuracy of the conventional missile fleet is sufficient) despite some fetishists secret desires.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 23 2025 21:09 utc | 114
First use nukes will not be used by RF
If anybody is stupid enough to start it’s free for all (and unless RF is sure to neuter FUK, us will be included and it’s game over)
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 23 2025 23:58 utc | 119
Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 23 2025 12:11 utc | 99
I’d say the Iran/Israel blogs or threads often reflect the view that war starts in peoples minds, nowhere else. Sometimes I find it hard to understand why people judge others so quickly from just one sentence or a few lines on these pages without knowing anything at all about the person. Especially when you consider human communication is always problematic due to subjective personal interpretations which generate misunderstanding.
Thank you for your kind words as well, and your positive contributions. It seems that the only way we will get out of this mess is to look more for what we all hold in common rather than purposely argue for differences we express. We live in excessively divisive times promoted by governments, media, and even the entertainment industry through so many violent and dark movies etc. From my point of view, renewed cohesion found out of common attributes between people is a remedy for that. Unification rather than division might serve us well. Also accepting that no matter how much we think we know, we are all extremely ignorant of our place in the universe. Einstein said we know 0.00001% of what nature has revealed to us. He then extrapolated that to mean all things we could possibly know. It’s a good thing to remind oneself of that before getting too carried away with our own views and opinions, although I am often no better than some here in defending my views, turning negative and becoming defensive on occasion, and displaying ignorance.
Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 1:44 utc | 120
Canada Announces New, Strengthened Partnership With The European Union
https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/news-releases/2025/06/23/canada-announces-new-strengthened-partnership-european
“…Canada supports further strengthening and deepening EU-NATO cooperation to the benefit of Europe and transatlantic security. Therefore Canada’s association with the EU’s security and defence activities aims to underpin the mutually reinforcing EU-NATO strategic partnership.
In the light of shared foreign and security policy challenges, including Russia’s unprovoked and unjustified war of aggression against Ukraine, the EU and Canada are closely aligned in their firm and enduring support to Ukraine…”
EU-Canada Summit: Brussels, 23 June 2025: [Con-man] Carney holds News Conference
https://www.youtube.com/live/l0IjCY-5BEE
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 4:51 utc | 121
Corporate Capo Carney plans on selling Canada down the river to both Europe AND America.
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 23 2025 16:24 utc | 109
Canada could be going President Trump’s way of drill baby drill and try supply Europe energy needs.
Besides getting investments from EU for their armament production given Canadian natural resources and immigrants.
A strike on some kind of military-industrial plant in Dniepropetrovsk caught a passing passenger train in its shockwave, video of the aftermath here: https://news-pravda.com/world/2025/06/24/1464735.html
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As a result of another Russian terrorist attack on the Dnipropetrovsk region, passenger train No. 52 with the Odessa-Zaporizhia connection was damaged
This was reported by the press service of Ukrzaliznytsia, reports RegioNews .
It is noted that rescuers and ambulance crews quickly arrived at the scene. All passengers were transferred to a shelter.
For evacuation and further transportation of passengers, a replacement rolling stock is being prepared in Dnipro to deliver people to the final destination — Zaporozhye.
The State Emergency Service said that it was not a direct arrival. The cars were damaged due to the blast wave.
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/dnepropetrovshchina/1750756883-vnaslidok-ataki-rf-poshkodzheno-poyizd-52-odesa-zaporizhzhya-pasazhiriv-evakuyovano (via translation add-on.)
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This link is a video clip of someone reportedly filming a selfie onboard the train as the blast hit: https://t.me/truexanewsua/115953 (should open in a normal browser.)
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 14:05 utc | 123
Oh ye gods there must be an escape possible from UK
The UK and Ukraine will work together more closely on industrial military production, Sir Keir Starmer said today after welcoming Volodymyr Zelensky to Downing Street.
The Ukrainian president arrived in Downing Street for talks ahead of the Nato summit in the Netherlands, having had lunch with the King.
Sir Keir and Ukraine’s president met with troops from Operation Interflex, which sees the UK and other allies train Ukrainian soldiers for frontline fighting, in the No10 garden.
There the Prime Minister announced plans for a new agreement with Ukraine.
‘We’ve discussed the issues across the conflict, what more we can do to support,’ the PM said.
‘I’m really proud that this afternoon we are able to announce an industrial military co-production agreement, the first of its kind so far as Ukraine and the UK are concerned, which will be a massive step forward now in the contribution that we can continue to make, and is really a symbol of not only our joint work in this conflict, but the 100-year agreement that we’ve put in place.’
Charles and Mr Zelensky were earlier pictured chatting as they made their way through Windsor Castle, and smiling as they shook hands in the Grand Corridor.
During his visit to London, the Ukrainian leader was also welcomed to the Palace of Westminster and met Commons speaker Sir Lindsay Hoyle and his Lords counterpart, Lord McFall of Alcluith
Posted by: Jo | Jun 24 2025 15:35 utc | 124
Speaking to reporters aboard a plane en route to the Netherlands for the upcoming NATO Summit, Trump was asked to comment on the Russia-related language expected in a communique to be issued after the alliance leaders’ meeting.
“I’ll have to take a look at it. But, you know, I’d like to see a deal with Russia. As you know, Vladimir [Putin, the Russian president] called me up. He said, ‘Can I help you with Iran?’ I said, ‘No, I don’t need help with Iran. I need help with you.’ And I hope we’re going to be getting a deal done with Russia,” Trump responded.
Posted by: Jo | Jun 24 2025 15:45 utc | 125
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 23 2025 22:31 utc | 118
“can the Chinese with their allegedly conformist society be innovators like the individualist people from the west?”
Well, they’ve managed that for the last 5000 years or so, No reason why they can’t continue. See numerous volumes by Joseph Needham, and recently, ‘Deep Seek’
Posted by: Jams O’Donnell | Jun 24 2025 16:26 utc | 126
EU countries and Canada will supply Kiev with weapons worth €35 billion in 2025, NATO Secretary General Rutte said.
@ukr_leaks_eng
Posted by: Jo | Jun 24 2025 16:47 utc | 127
Posted by: George | Jun 24 2025 1:44 utc | 120
I think it’s also to do with how conflict, by its very nature, directly challenges the structures that support our ideologies (literally how we make sense of the world). It also involves, again by its nature, winners and losers, so wars confront how we cope with the world, whilst stripping away the comforting abstracts or theoreticals that we normally employ when debating and defending competing ideologies.
Faced with this direct assault is it any wonder people employ tactics which allow them to either avoid, or only address, it in the most tangential of terms. War isn’t just often existential for the combatants, the supporters are also faced with a crisis of existence, though they have the liberty to simply re-write, wilfully misinterpret or misrepresent facts, something combatants rarely have the luxury to do, unless it’s in their memoirs.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 24 2025 17:12 utc | 128
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 23 2025 22:31 utc | 118
Reaching, given the evidence, not organically.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 24 2025 17:14 utc | 129
EU Leaders Meet Zelensky as Trump Arrives Amid Tensions: NATO Summit in the Hague
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCOsoUhMcTk
“EU and Canadian partners ramping up support for Ukraine and putting more sanction pressure on Russia. You can count on us for the future…”
another circle jerk of denial
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 17:35 utc | 130
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 23 2025 18:31 utc | 110
Don’t forget functional v’s conflict. I’d argue it does have some relevance as drone technology will be hugely boosted by the conflict, as will the drive for functioning and practical direct energy weapons and active defence measures.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 24 2025 17:43 utc | 131
1.100 is a really low number
If it represents how stretched AFU forces are, then half density
https://tass.com/politics/1980293
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 17:48 utc | 132
@ Newbie | Jun 24 2025 17:48 utc | 132
It looks as if Russia has stepped up its attacks on troop accumulations before they reach the front line, just been reading a report about the third strike in 4 days at a training facility, plus there was a report a couple of days ago of the destruction of a Kiev university building that was housing soldiers and equipment.
Bound to exacerbate personnel shortages on the lines of contact.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 18:06 utc | 133
Maybe ukie exaggeration but I’ll quote as it’s in serial production
the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ukrainian Defence Ministry publicised an intelligence assessment on Russian industry’s production capacity estimating that the country would to be able to produce up to 25 Oreshnik missiles monthly, which equates to production of 300 missiles per year.
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/russia-oreshinik-ballistic-missile-serial-production-how-many
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 18:06 utc | 134
Brief update from Marat: https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-june-24-2025
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 18:16 utc | 135
Bound to exacerbate personnel shortages on the lines of contact.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 18:06 utc | 133
Likely, the main thing is the reduction to minimal levels.
You beat me to Marat, but did you see the Tass link is a full daily report? They’re back!!
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 18:21 utc | 136
@ Newbie | Jun 24 2025 18:21 utc | 136
I used to go to the English language edition of the Russian Defence Ministry but that hasn’t loaded for me for quite some time, so it’s good that TASS are back to publishing the full thing.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 18:27 utc | 137
@ Milites, §128:
Sums up the difference between dreamers (Plato, Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Kneeler, etc.) and realists (Karl Popper´s piecemeal social engineering).
Posted by: John Marks | Jun 24 2025 18:29 utc | 138
@ Newbie | Jun 24 2025 18:21 utc | 136
I used to go to the English language edition of the Russian Defence Ministry but that hasn’t loaded for me for quite some time, so it’s good that TASS are back to publishing the full thing.
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 18:27 utc | 137
If you try trace route it ends in western countries. Can’t remember which (I showed when it first failed) it’s a new blocking technique at ip number level…
First time I saw this level of poisoning of ip routing
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 19:25 utc | 139
21 minutes ago.
“Russian drones have been launched from three separate air bases, heading towards Ukraine.”
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 24 2025 19:34 utc | 140
If you try trace route it ends in western countries. Can’t remember which (I showed when it first failed) it’s a new blocking technique at ip number level…
First time I saw this level of poisoning of ip routing
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 19:25 utc | 139
I remember you posting about that and it prompted me to try a similar exercise, and it ended up with a Netherlands-allocated address series, from memory.
I wonder which level they’re messing with? /8 ? /4 ? Dangerous stuff if that gets out into the wild…
Unless maybe there is some mad scheme to drive everybody to IPv6?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 19:42 utc | 141
Just Another Canadian Sellout For Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUFsn1FhRs
“Manitoba signs a memorandum of understanding with Ukraine.”
premier@manitoba.ca
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 19:43 utc | 142
Just Another Canadian Sellout For NATO-Nazi Ukraine (url corrected from above)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUrFsn1FhRs
Manitoba signs memorandum of understanding with Ukraine
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 24 2025 19:47 utc | 143
“A sign, a sign ”: https://t.me/hyevuy_dnepr/86193
Just before the NATO conference as well…
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 19:59 utc | 144
Posted by: John Marks | Jun 24 2025 18:29 utc | 138
Yes, everyone has an ideology, but not everyone is an ideologue.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 24 2025 20:48 utc | 145
I remember you posting about that and it prompted me to try a similar exercise, and it ended up with a Netherlands-allocated address series, from memory.
I wonder which level they’re messing with? /8 ? /4 ? Dangerous stuff if that gets out into the wild…
Unless maybe there is some mad scheme to drive everybody to IPv6?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 24 2025 19:42 utc | 141
That’s it! Netherlands and California !
Don’t know what they’re doing , but google ending in Rwanda and meta in Albania might be nice
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 24 2025 22:42 utc | 146
Meanwhile ….
Putin: Oreshnik Ballistic Missile Proven in Ukraine, Now in Mass Production | APT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5FggxAB_c [ 14 mins
Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 25 2025 0:15 utc | 147
Bet she thought he was brave and heroic when he signed up….
Mother of killed inexperienced British mercenary blames Ukrainian for her son’s death, Daily Mail reports
Colby Dolman had neither military experience nor training, since at one time he was not even able to get a job in the British army due to health reasons.
He believed that the war in Ukraine was easy.
He believed the propaganda.
The 20-year-old British Colby Dolman was sent to the Zaporizhia region, where Russians killed him.
Ukrainian military did not evacuate his body.
According to the mother, he was killed along with three other young men who were abandoned in the same place more than a month ago.
“Ukrainian commanders sent an inexperienced British fighter on a suicide mission and then left his body to rot in neutral territory”
— Tara Benford, the mother
“We have not received any help from the Ukrainian authorities. They were happy to help Colby when he signed up to train and fight with them…
But this is the gratitude he gets: he gets killed on a mission he shouldn’t have been sent on and is left there”
——-
Why is the Daily Mail publishing this?
Doesn’t fit the narrative of Ukraine winning … is the tide turning?
Posted by: Melaleuca | Jun 25 2025 1:38 utc | 148
@John Marks | Tue, 24 Jun 2025 18:29:00 GMT | 138
@ Milites, §128:
Sums up the difference between dreamers (Plato, Marx, Lenin, Hitler, Kneeler, etc.) and realists
The dreamers usually know about the primordial power of violence. Most of them say it’s a bad idea. Once this has been established as an argument and the systematical questions sorted, it remains a question of practical philosophy; whether you have one or not.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 25 2025 2:30 utc | 149
It’s fairly evident, Blue has no intention of ‘winning’ in Ukraine. It has no intention of retaking what Russia has seized. It’s primary objective is attriting Russia – if you take a moment to step outside what your preconceived notions of what is right or wrong, the logic is fairly sound.
If I want to attrite an enemy. I don’t do it by winning quickly. I do it by losing slowly.
Warfare as it stands heavily favours the defender. So what do I do? I make Russia fight an offensive war against an expendable proxy state, across a vast expanse of open terrain prepared with mines, drones, ditches and wire, retreating ahead of him and ceding territory I don’t give 2 fucks about, because it makes him cross it.
There’s a plan here alright. It hasn’t changed – it’s just one they wouldn’t dare tell you about because it’s founded on something that would mortify the public who’ve been conned into a ‘righteous cause’.
That Ukraine is expendable.
“Slava Ukraini”
Posted by: Jimieus | Jun 25 2025 4:03 utc | 150
Below is a quote from ZH that they made me dictate into my system to copy and share….I want to know if Mark Rutte swallows or spits
The head of NATO has formally congratulated the US president in a private text message which has been revealed as follows:
Mark Rutte
Mr. President, dear Donald, Congratulations and thank you for your decisive action in Iran, that was truly extraordinary and something no one else dared to do. It makes us all safer. You are flying into another big success in The Hague this evening. It was not easy, but we’ve got them all signed onto 5% Donald, you have driven us to a really, really important moment for America and Europe, and the world. You will achieve something NO American president in decades could get done. Europe is going to pay in a BIG way as they should and it will be your win. Safe travels and see you at His Majesty’s dinner! Mark Rutte.
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 25 2025 5:16 utc | 151
Le Monde reportage about the numerous presence of Neo Nazis in the AFU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VvsluffPuw
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 25 2025 12:15 utc | 152
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 25 2025 2:30 utc | 149
Hitler, Lenin, Marx thought the ‘primordial power of violence’ was a bad idea! Sorry, long day at work so struggling to work out your train of thought. Repeat please.
Everyone eventually appreciates the power of primordial violence should be the initial point, it’s how they respond to that truism, either by exploitation or careful utilisation that surely defines the difference. Hence the dreamers propensity for frustrated savagery, when the world refuses to align with ‘their reality’.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 25 2025 16:35 utc | 153
🇺🇦💥🤯 Wave of sabotage in Ukraine: Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers blown up in Kiev and Kharkov
– In Kiev, on June 21, they tried to blow up a militant of the Azov regiment through a fictitious date. A girl from social networks lured the neo-Nazi to her house and asked him to get the “keys” from her scooter. The militant suspected a trap and managed to move away – the moped exploded. The moment of the explosion was captured on video.
– In Kharkov, one Ukrainian serviceman died in the explosion of a “volunteer” scooter. According to the SBU, it was mined by a 19-year-old girl, allegedly recruited through Telegram.
– Ukrainian authorities admit that such acts of sabotage are becoming more and more widespread. Russians actively use social networks and messengers to recruit perpetrators.
i remember budanov or another nazi from the sbu claiming proudly about “we have more scooters” a while ago. did those morons ship them to the wrong country?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 25 2025 21:10 utc | 154
Putin has established countless red lines in this conflict that haven’t resulted in anything after being crossed. He is a weak leader. Remember when Russia would nuke the west if Ukraine struck within Russia’s borders? Funny how that turned out huh?🤔
Posted by: master of plaster | Jun 25 2025 21:29 utc | 155
Master of Plaster // 155
I’m not familiar with Putin’s “countless red lines” or their significance.
Could you list all of Putin’s “countless red lines.” If you have a link to Putin saying, “This is one of my countless red lines,” that would be much appreciated.
Finally, what are the differences between Putin’s “countless red lines” and Russia’s red lines. I mean, does Putin say something such as, “I refuse to allow anyone to play Slaughter to Prevail in my front entrance closet. That is now one of my countless red lines.”
I’d really like to know. Is playing Slaughter to Prevail in Putin’s front entrance closet one of his “countless red lines”?
Posted by: Nobody Special | Jun 25 2025 22:52 utc | 156
@Milites | Wed, 25 Jun 2025 16:35:00 GMT | 153 – Sorry for my insufficiently coherent train of thoughts; I’ll try again.
Everyone eventually appreciates the power of primordial violence should be the initial point
I don’t think so. Let me explain.
The nature of violence is to remove someone from interacting in a social situation. This can be, on a spectrum,
1 – mild and benign, like showing a drunkard the door at 3am, or exploitative, like insurance fraud.
2 – forceful, by incarcerating an opponent, coerce him to silence, or knock him KO.
3 – terminal, i.e. killing them.
Then there is the case where violence is reactive, as in self-defense.
What all these cases have in common is that violence serves, if you so will, as “discussion by other means”. For, if you are peacefully minded and willing to cooperate, you’d probably assume others are willing to cooperate and compromise (“harmony”) as well. Either that, or just leave each other alone.
The nature of the compromise is actually well captured in the essence of democracy: you start from a point where everyone may have different interests, and you aim to resolve those differing interests by way of discussion and compromise (or “harmony” again). The point being that both unity and unresolved plurality are parts of the process, while solutions are fluid and temporary. Neither one can be attained completely by ousting the other, the respective political ideologies being fascism and anarchism – both clearly defective and, hence, utopian.
This process may or may not work out. If someone doesn’t play by the rules, e.g. robs people at knifepoint in the streets, than you are entering the (lower) plain of primordial violence. It may be necessary, but it is never ideal.
I therefore posit that primordial violence is not a feasible starting point for cooperation.On the other hand, feasible cooperation has to safeguard against potential disruptive primordial violence – si vis pacem, para bellum.
I hope this helps to clarify my position. Picking up on your term “dreamers” was probably not very helpful with that.
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 25 2025 23:13 utc | 157
The casualties will destroy both nations – they’ll just stagnate and then fall further and further behind.
Posted by: acur | Jun 26 2025 0:03 utc | 158
Speaking of casualties we’re back at regular 1.400 but DS still says 14km2+ but it’s zit-land again, lots of things can go pop soon.
fresh marat update
https://maratkhairullin.substack.com/p/brief-frontline-report-june-25-2025
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 13:10 utc | 159
Sorry. I am just trying to check the “connectivity” to this forum.
Thanks for understanding.
Posted by: Bor | Jun 26 2025 13:45 utc | 160
So far we have 250k dead Russians. By 5-10 years its going to be 500,000 dead Russians and probably 1 million wounded. If Putin wants to leave a legacy behind…. the amount of dead Russians he killed in Russia for what was supposed to be a 14 day operation is going to be his legacy.
Posted by: Any Progress | Jun 26 2025 15:19 utc | 161
Posted by: persiflo | Jun 25 2025 23:13 utc | 157
Thanks for restating the case. Less presentations today, so mind working a bit better. I agree with your line of reasoning but I did say ‘eventually’, Violence is an eternal, unchanging force in a world increasingly dictated by the concept of individual realities, with hierarchies of ‘lived experience’, however anecdotal. You might think you determine all aspects of life with this intellectual sleight of hand but sooner, or later the Tyson fist will arrive and the post-modern, relativist approach, exits pronto.
Communication, therefore in essence, stems from the shared realisation that failing to do so will mean you become the Smilodon’s next lunch, or your hard fought civilisation ends up a province of somebody else’s. A lesson perhaps Ukraine and certain other countries are having to relearn the hard way.
I think really we are just arguing over the placement or position which violence appears in the equation, I think it’s primary you possibly tertiary or in parenthesis, but we both agree that the feature appears in the equation of life. Too many people, I think, either ignore the V, redefine it or worse try to reduce its initial value, which inextricably leads to more people experiencing V at a higher frequency than if they hadn’t been tempted to adjust the original equation.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 26 2025 16:41 utc | 162
but sooner, or later the Tyson fist will arrive and the post-modern, relativist approach, exits pronto.
Communication, therefore in essence, stems from the shared realisation that failing to do so … or your hard fought civilisation ends up a province of somebody else’s. A lesson perhaps Ukraine and certain other countries are having to relearn the hard way.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 26 2025 16:41 utc | 162
battle not the 500 pound gorilla lest ye become gorilla punching bag.
post-modernists forget the wisdom of measuring the consequences of brashness…
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 26 2025 17:56 utc | 163