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June 19, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-135
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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H/T @ Jams O’Donnell for linking to this at the end of the previous thread, needs more visibility so reposting on the new thread: https://strategic-culture.su/news/2025/06/18/the-european-garden-on-the-brink-of-ruin/ Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 12:34 utc | 1 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 12:34 utc | 1 Posted by: jpc | Jun 19 2025 12:58 utc | 2 Is there a betting pool on Russia getting to the Dnipr? Like the internet pools for elections? Posted by: Jonny Law | Jun 19 2025 13:02 utc | 3 osted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 12:34 utc | 1 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 19 2025 13:16 utc | 4
Posted by: jpc | Jun 19 2025 12:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 13:25 utc | 5 @ Barrel Brown | Jun 19 2025 13:16 utc | 4
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2025/06/19/minuvshaya-noch-na-ukraine-vydalas-gromkoy-vzryvy-gremeli-vo-mnogih-oblastyah (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 13:41 utc | 6 Landmines are bad … excepted when you border Russia. Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 19 2025 13:56 utc | 7 Jeremy Rhymings-Lang@5…..grubby? No. Just the truth. The System Pigs. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 19 2025 14:09 utc | 8 Must read about the stupid European idea of a ‘deterrence force’ in Ukraine:
“…Instead of taking time to learn the lessons from Ukraine and improve its combat capability, NATO appears to assume that Russians don’t know how to fight. In the meantime both European training and equipment readiness rates are abysmal…” Posted by: juliania | Jun 19 2025 14:59 utc | 10 Posted by: b | Jun 19 2025 14:19 utc | 9 Posted by: Don Firineach | Jun 19 2025 15:11 utc | 11 Instead of taking time to learn the lessons from Ukraine and improve its combat capability, NATO appears to assume that Russians don’t know how to fight. In the meantime both European training and equipment readiness rates are abysmal. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 19 2025 15:13 utc | 12
Posted by: b | Jun 19 2025 14:19 utc | 9
Why, indeed? The continued pursuit of these delusions by the European so-called elites is unfathomable to me and I guess many barflies. What is the motivation, the desired outcome, driving this bizarre denial of reality? Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 15:27 utc | 13 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 13:25 utc | 5 Posted by: Naive | Jun 19 2025 15:47 utc | 14 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 12:34 utc | 1 Posted by: Naive | Jun 19 2025 15:52 utc | 15 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 15:27 utc | 13 Posted by: Naive | Jun 19 2025 16:04 utc | 16 Ursulla and the Commissar’s gang last one : take Russian assets at Euroclear on a more rewarding* investment plan and give the “benefits” to the banderist proxy. Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 19 2025 16:14 utc | 17 A yet to be observed loss of satellite intel and comms sent to help the genocide will impact. Posted by: paddy | Jun 19 2025 16:21 utc | 18 To maintain their salary and status they have to play along with the mass deception and delusion. Posted by: jpc | Jun 19 2025 16:38 utc | 19 @ juliania, §10: Posted by: John Marks | Jun 19 2025 20:44 utc | 20
remember how they all screemed that musk did the nazi salute? well, whats good for the goose.. here we have a fine example of the modern brit. a nazi. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 19 2025 20:48 utc | 21 ok. It’s been a couple months, so I feel safe to tell this story now. Posted by: UWDude | Jun 19 2025 22:26 utc | 22
CMIIW but the flares are released by the plane’s computer when it senses radar or IR, so the USA ship’s weapons locked on to the plane. Extremely risky by both sides. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 19 2025 22:36 utc | 23 Posted by: jpc | Jun 19 2025 12:58 utc | 2 Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 19 2025 23:28 utc | 24 I say “Yup, blue sky above yellow field is what it represents ” Posted by: Naive | Jun 19 2025 23:48 utc | 25 UAVs hit Kharkiv and Odessa (DD geopolitics) Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 0:59 utc | 26 NATO Exit ramp for Ukraine: Posted by: George | Jun 20 2025 1:31 utc | 27 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 13:41 utc | 6 Posted by: Barrel Brown | Jun 20 2025 1:35 utc | 28 Posted by: George | Jun 20 2025 1:31 utc | 27 Posted by: UWDude | Jun 20 2025 1:38 utc | 29 @ George | Jun 20 2025 1:31 utc | 27 Posted by: malenkov | Jun 20 2025 1:40 utc | 30 Or maybe it’s a step toward Europe’s embrace of its Nazi past. Posted by: George | Jun 20 2025 2:04 utc | 31 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 19 2025 12:34 utc | 1
Immediately after our mediocre elites started to speak about re-armament I commented here that was to the detriment of the European welfare state and also to the power of euro liberal elites. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 20 2025 6:36 utc | 32 Posted by: b | Jun 19 2025 14:19 utc | 9
Excellent thinking ahead. In my work, I often discover processes that are inside systems and that lead to the decline of the system’s output, in order to use those discoveries to achive my goals.
I can answer those questions. Euro liberal political elites are bluffing because they do not beleive there will be war with Russia, except that Russia will attack the Baltic statelets and that will not matter much (although the self-righteous noise will be very loud). Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 20 2025 7:15 utc | 33 Posted by: George | Jun 20 2025 1:31 utc | 27 Posted by: Savonarole | Jun 20 2025 8:30 utc | 34 Likewise, America need to consume now the EU to help it achieve its very much needed financial soft landing. Posted by: rk | Jun 20 2025 9:25 utc | 35 Simple @Slavyangrad explanation. Posted by: Tichy | Jun 20 2025 9:36 utc | 36
I agree with that. Like I said, Germany going into debt to re-arm will help America achieve its soft landing, just help, it’s part of the package. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 20 2025 10:21 utc | 38 Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 20th June 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-26e Posted by: The Busker | Jun 20 2025 11:15 utc | 39
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 12:00 utc | 40
shared western values. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 12:04 utc | 41 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 20 2025 7:15 utc | 33 Posted by: Emi | Jun 20 2025 12:07 utc | 42 Hi, from Poland. Who thinks that under any prez US would go to full nuclear war with Rus if places in EU nuked? I think any future EU-Rus war would finish after 2-3 big cities in the West becomes nuked. No need to do that to Poland, as it decides nothing in EU. From Rus Posted by: alexwdomu | Jun 20 2025 13:12 utc | 43
i hate to break it to you, but poland is a prime transit nation for weapon deliveries to the ukraine. if something big is about to happen with nukes involved, dont think that the russians will only involve us stupid germans and the vile brits. your territory is a staging ground and thus a valid target. rzeszow get daily flights in and out, ask your gov why they allow something like this to happen. why they let your country paint a big target on its back. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 14:01 utc | 44 So 21 km2, near 1.350 casualties Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 15:29 utc | 45
For a neighbor nation with a large and active fascist part more than willing to genocide a few Poles to make some Lebensraum for Banderistan, as they have done in the past. I mean, Poland as a political entity, though not yet as a nation, is now a more abject vassal of liberal Western elites than when they were vassals of the Soviet Union. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 20 2025 16:01 utc | 46
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 16:36 utc | 47 @ Justpassinby | Jun 20 2025 16:36 utc | 47 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 20 2025 18:55 utc | 48 The latest week’s Ukrainian casualties and other losses as reported by the Russian Military. I track these weekly numbers, and the trend in all armoured vehicles (tanks, IFV/AFV, APC, HMV/Light Armoured Vehicles) has really gone down, pointing to growing shortages of these in the Ukrainian military. Same goes for artillery, where losses are now one third of their peak during quite intense fighting. Even the human casualties are remaining under 10,000 a week during intense fighting, somewhat confirming the stories of significant Ukrainian troop shortages at the front. Perhaps the Ukrainians are on their last legs, with all of the Biden supply packages now exhausted and no new ones on the way. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 20 2025 19:01 utc | 49 @ Roger Boyd | Jun 20 2025 19:01 utc | 49 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 20 2025 19:21 utc | 50 I’m wondering at the effectiveness of Ukrainian forced conscripts being used in attacks across large areas. As soon as they get out of sight of their commander’s binoculars, and they hear gunfire, why wouldn’t they hug the ground, the mission be damned? Posted by: Babel-17 | Jun 20 2025 19:22 utc | 51 Moskovka, just 2 km north west of the main road intersection in Kupyansk taken. If the Russians continue south by 2km, they will cross the P07 main supply highway into Kupyansk. The north-south P79 is cut to the south at Kruhlyakivka and to the north at Rad’kivka so it cannot be used as a supply route. So the Russians are only 2km from an operational encirclement of Kupyansk. Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 20 2025 19:26 utc | 52
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/sumshchina/1750438473-nestabilna-bezpekova-situatsiya-sumskiy-teatr-skasovue-vistavi (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 20 2025 19:36 utc | 53 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/ukraine-has-a-problem-no-one-is-talking-about-young-women/ Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 20 2025 19:37 utc | 54 @Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 20 2025 19:21 utc | 50 Posted by: Roger Boyd | Jun 20 2025 19:47 utc | 55 Moskovka, just 2 km north west of the main road intersection in Kupyansk taken. If the Russians continue south by 2km, they will cross the P07 main supply highway into Kupyansk. The north-south P79 is cut to the south at Kruhlyakivka and to the north at Rad’kivka so it cannot be used as a supply route. So the Russians are only 2km from an operational encirclement of Kupyansk. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 19:58 utc | 56 Donald Trump warned those urging Kiev to continue the war to “watch their language.” Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 20:35 utc | 57 Posted by: Emi | Jun 20 2025 12:07 utc | 42 Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 21 2025 3:21 utc | 58 Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 21 2025 3:21 utc | 58 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 21 2025 6:10 utc | 59 Who thinks that under any prez US would go to full nuclear war with Rus if places in EU nuked? I think any future EU-Rus war would finish after 2-3 big cities in the West becomes nuked. Posted by: rk | Jun 21 2025 6:52 utc | 60 Immediate negotiations with Russia are Ukraine’s only chance — envoy to UN Posted by: Newbie | Jun 21 2025 8:25 utc | 61 Posted by: Newbie | Jun 20 2025 19:58 utc | 56 Posted by: Paco | Jun 21 2025 10:20 utc | 62 https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/close-natos-door-ukraine Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 21 2025 10:28 utc | 63 Posted by: Paco | Jun 21 2025 10:20 utc | 62 Posted by: Naive | Jun 21 2025 20:32 utc | 64 |
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