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June 8, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-126
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Posted by: Peeks | Jun 9 2025 10:58 utc | 197 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 11:40 utc | 201 @166 and others: Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 202 Good points re the “goslow’” , but Russia may not have neutralised assets or key people ,as we would expect in this war scenario, because they were simply not allowed to ; either by China and/or Russo/Ukro oligarchs. Yes, China does still own a lot of infrastructure in the Ukraine , including I believe railways. Putin may be unwilling to destroy them because he is honestly being timid , or he is playing the long game. I still don’t know myself and likely never will. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 203 Again! WTH is Russia doing? Posted by: bored | Jun 9 2025 12:12 utc | 204 205 Posted by: paddy | Jun 9 2025 12:24 utc | 205 @202 Posted by: paddy | Jun 9 2025 12:28 utc | 206 @ Peter AU1 Hi everyone Posted by: watcher | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 208 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 4:18 utc | 146 Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 209 Obviously rabidly pro what he calls ‘ukraine’ – i.e. kiev ukraine currently set on destroying 10 million Donbas ukrainians – he nevertheless presents a lot of supposed information about severe strikes on the russian forces on the one hand and interesting insights into the kiev ukrainian forces on the other. Posted by: pasta | Jun 9 2025 13:06 utc | 210 I’m with steel_porcupine on the whole assassinate-the-green-gimp thing. Zelenskiiyy is America’s problem, and as far as Russia is concerned the problem of Zelenskiiyy will solve itself as the conflict follows its natural course. The analysis by steel_porcupine of why the US cannot act on Zelenskiyiy is convincing, largely because with Trump at the helm (disconnected, like the steering wheel on a baby’s pram) a unified narrative from the Mockingbird mass media covering for the US is unlikely. Anyway, the gang that would be doing the assassinating are the CIA. They’re still rogue and enjoy nothing more than spiting Trump, even if it costs the Empire. The US taking out Zelenskyiyi before the next pres election is nil. Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 13:09 utc | 211 The collapse of the front is accelerating so Volo will be in Haifa soon with his stolen millions, safely protected by the IDF war criminals………. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 9 2025 13:12 utc | 212 Brutal take down of incompetent DEI-hire lady leading the charade called EU foreign policy: Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:19 utc | 213 Would be interested in your comment if article is worthwhile. Posted by: pasta | Jun 9 2025 13:19 utc | 214 pasta @217: “Can someone explain to me the rationale for america’s unbridled hatred of any other country becoming a significant trader in the world?” Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 215
The Jewish comedian cann’t steal enough money to pay for his personal security even in Haifa. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 216 Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 212 Posted by: Mario | Jun 9 2025 13:43 utc | 217 “Sometimes I wonder if it could be as simple as a silver bullet to liberate us. This could be one. I think destroying the magic money printing machine is another, if there is such a thing.” Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 9 2025 13:50 utc | 218
western values. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 9 2025 13:53 utc | 219 Oui | Jun 9 2025 12:52 utc | 210 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 13:53 utc | 220 *** Can someone explain to me the rationale for america’s unbridled hatred of any other country becoming a significant trader in the world? *** Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 13:57 utc | 221
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 9 2025 13:50 utc | 221 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 14:01 utc | 222 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 7:51 utc | 165 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 14:01 utc | 223 “You seem to forget that people were shot trying to go over the Berlin Wall, or otherwise escape from Communism. People died trying to cross from Cuba to the US. May I suggest to you that a regime that forces its citizens to stay at the point of a gun is not one that a civilized person wants to be a part of? At any point, any Canadian or American could have emigrated to Russia or Cuba; it’s just that no one wanted the life of misery on offer.” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 14:04 utc | 224 Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 205 Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:15 utc | 225 Of course there is one take a bank note out of your pocket and read it. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s who is in charge of it that matters. Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 9 2025 14:17 utc | 226 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 219 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 14:19 utc | 227 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 219 Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:31 utc | 228 “The U$$A is and has been an abomination, which is why its ‘unchallenged worldwide empire’ will be in the dustbin of history, if the abomination don’t blow up the world rather than surrender. ” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 14:35 utc | 229 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 206 Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:42 utc | 230 Welcome back Cotter. I mean Peter AU1. If that’s really you. Posted by: Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 14:44 utc | 231 Very good summary of what’s going on: Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 14:49 utc | 232 Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 14:44 utc | 234 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 14:51 utc | 233 re:6000 ukrop bodies Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 234 Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 237 Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 14:58 utc | 235 10 trillion in USD treasuries on the float this year. 30% of GDP. Should be ‘interesting’. Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 9 2025 15:00 utc | 236 Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:42 utc | 233 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:00 utc | 237 frithguild | Jun 9 2025 13:57 utc | 224 Posted by: markw | Jun 9 2025 15:01 utc | 238 William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 237 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 239 Very good summary of what’s going on: Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 240 Leaving the Ukraine leadership intact gave a chance of a negotiated ending to the conflict which would save the lives of many Ukrainians sent to the frontline, not to mention the Russian troop casualties. Posted by: rk | Jun 9 2025 15:09 utc | 241 The 6000. Are they officers or a mix of ordinary soldiers and officers. One report, Russia used the word officers so I initially took it they were all officers. Ukraine/Nato lost 60 to 70,000 uniforms in Kursk. Generally the Ukraine dead are buried by Russia in mass graves on the battle fields. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:24 utc | 242 oh wow…PBS America…documentary in two parts…A nation denied…Ukraine’s Battle for History history -1000 years of history starting from the vikings Posted by: Jp | Jun 9 2025 15:24 utc | 243 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 14:51 utc | 236 Posted by: Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 15:28 utc | 244 The 6000. Are they officers or a mix of ordinary soldiers and officers. One report, Russia used the word officers so I initially took it they were all officers. Ukraine/Nato lost 60 to 70,000 uniforms in Kursk. Generally the Ukraine dead are buried by Russia in mass graves on the battle fields. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:29 utc | 245 “Something I do not understand: why are these 6000 such a problem for the Nazi regime? Somewhere between tens and hundreds of times that number have been killed, so why are these 6000 special?”
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 15:30 utc | 246 *** As has oft been said, all wars are bankers’ wars; *** Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 15:31 utc | 247 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 11:31 utc | 203 Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 9 2025 15:31 utc | 248 Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 104 Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 15:34 utc | 249 Catdog @251: Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 16:00 utc | 250 Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 104 Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 251 Re the discussion on whether Ru or Ua attacks on each other’s industry is more effective. One might expect that with the Russians launching dozens or hundreds of large Geran drones almost every day, while the Ukranians on average are attacking with just a few small Chinese Quadra copters, that the Russian attacks would be more devastating. And even the Ukrainians no longer claim that they have shot down 110% of each drone and missile attack. What are the Geran attacks hitting? Ukraine always lets us know very loudly what they’ve hit, but for all we know most Gerans are disappearing into the void. I’m very curious. Is RU intelligence even able to provide quality targets for dozens-hundreds of gerans per day? Maybe… otherwise RU might actually try attacking Ukrainian bridges, which inexplicably remain mostly intact after years of war, even most of those close to the front line. Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 16:14 utc | 252 I wonder how long the Russian population will stay quiet. Putin is clearly failing to keep Russia safe, while telling the world there are no red lines when it comes to attacks on Russia proper. Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 253
Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 255 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:30 utc | 254 … certainly longer than the Ukrainian population. Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:32 utc | 255
Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 9 2025 16:42 utc | 256 “Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 16:00 utc | 253” Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 257 But auto immune disease strikes the large intestine and if that is not functioning correctly, then debilitating fatigue occurs. Due both to immune activity and various deficiencies. In nealy every blood test I have had in my life, my immune readings have been elevated. Every one of those fuckers told me I was just getting over the flu. So much for higher education. Scumbags. Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 9 2025 16:48 utc | 258 OT: I find myself often looking at narratives and see significance in the time and place of their publication – with respect to Ukraine i find this an especially interesting excercise. Stylman resonates with me: Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 17:10 utc | 259 “The “summer” movement already started, very significant (still difficult) areas were won, Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 17:13 utc | 260 https://t.me/adinadesouzy/8947 Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:46 utc | 261 Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 255 Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:52 utc | 262 Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 15:34 utc | 252 Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:54 utc | 263 I got the same propaganda that Frankie D. got, as did everyone else in the US, but I was able to experience cognitive dissonance when I ran into cracks in the narrative. Yeah, Markw, who thinks that intelligent people are psychopaths, not all of us are. Some use our brains to compare and contrast, and we are capable of changing our minds when blatant lies are exposed. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 19:55 utc | 264 Israeli Ambassador Admits Israel Sent Patriot Systems To Bolster Ukrainian Air Defences (& vid) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:03 utc | 265 Israel Amb Admits Israel Sent Patriot Systems To Ukraine (corrected from above) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:11 utc | 266 Try this instead..’Israel sent Patriot Systems to Ukraine’ – Amb Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:14 utc | 267 ‘Israel is a lie-machine.’ John Pilger Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 20:31 utc | 268 JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:14 utc | 269 Posted by: Cynic | Jun 9 2025 22:10 utc | 269 In response to james@144, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 10 2025 0:23 utc | 270 William Gruff 253 – the UK industrial capacity has by design nearly disappeared. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 1:09 utc | 271 The UK power grid is so fragile and non self sufficient that it could be easily taken down by the RF……..that is exactly what happens when you close your oil, coal and ng fueled power plants……. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 1:21 utc | 272 WATCH… Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 10 2025 5:42 utc | 273 Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 212 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:41 utc | 274 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:41 utc | 277 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:48 utc | 275 Posted by: Barsnack | Jun 9 2025 8:37 utc | 173 Posted by: juliania | Jun 10 2025 11:01 utc | 276 Peeks 196 – If the UAF is knocking down 10% of drones and cruise missiles they are doing very well considering the depleted state of the AAD missile inventory, and the fact that RF is targeting Patriot missile batteries. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 12:32 utc | 277 the wests cultural genocide against orthodoxy continues:
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 10 2025 12:49 utc | 278 George 195 – Yes, the POW camps from the US Civil War exhibited concentration camp like conditions. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 12:53 utc | 279 Justpassinby 281 – the Volo and Ukronazi war on the ROC/UOC has been ignored in the MSM which is just a media outlet of the Nazi regime in Kieve. Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 13:00 utc | 280 Public figures have belittled the connection between Palestine today and Ireland in the 17th and 18th centuries. ******************************************************************************************************”Having once entered Connaught, the Catholics were penned there like sheep; they were forbidden under pain of death to pass the borders.” “In his travels in Ireland in the 1770s, the English agricultural expert Arthur Young found that Protestants exercised at will the right to knock down, cane, or horsewhip any Catholic whose conduct appeared to them disrespectful.” [G.de B. (1839)] “Three million human beings were reported at this time to be subject periodically to “absolute destitution”. “The period from 1815 to 1826 was one of extreme agrarian distress in Ireland, actual famine –as distinct from chronic semistarvation– appearing in 1815.” [A Hist of Mod. Ire.] Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jun 10 2025 15:21 utc | 281 DH: Scott Ritter, Col Larry Wilkerson & Garland Nixon Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 10 2025 16:51 utc | 282 Ukraine and Russia are going to go through the shit even after the war, imagine all the PTSD on both sides and all the pardoned criminals on the loose in Russia. Posted by: Zonesy | Jun 10 2025 19:52 utc | 283 @ Zonesy | Jun 10 2025 19:52 utc | 286 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 10 2025 20:15 utc | 284 One of the key reasons why 90s are remembered as worst time in Russian history. Army men returned from Afghanistan and Chechnya, low employability, huge emotional luggage, but with guns and experience, some turned to work for the government, many turned to organized crime. Posted by: Comfortable Mud | Jun 11 2025 0:55 utc | 285 El Pais: Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 2:12 utc | 286 It’s Started… Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 2:33 utc | 287 Ukraine is everything NAFO regards think Russia is; it openly calls for genocide, is hell bent on an insane and delusional mission, and most importantly, it actually gets what it wants from trump Posted by: Resident Win | Jun 11 2025 15:11 utc | 288 Serious question about the current meme that the US has seriously depleted their own missile stores by giving them to Ukraine and by bombing the Houthis. Any chance this is misdirection, and US has plenty of missiles tucked away? How could the military let the stockpiles diminish drastically, orders or no orders? Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 11 2025 15:14 utc | 289 @15:21, posted on the wrong thread; ought to have been on the neither-nor thread. Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jun 11 2025 15:16 utc | 290 @ JohnGilberts, §290: Posted by: John Marks | Jun 11 2025 19:07 utc | 291 ive become more convinced now that Ukraine is going to wipe out Russian leadership and when the dust settles there will just be some sternly worded letter Posted by: decentralized | Jun 14 2025 4:58 utc | 292 |
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