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June 8, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-126

News & views related to the war in Ukraine …

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Posted by: Peeks | Jun 9 2025 10:58 utc | 197
“The English can say today it was APPROXIMATELY 30,000…
The Germans would have answered incorrectly, it was 31,456 (just an example).”
That’s true but mainly cultural difference. I lived in Switzerland for many years and saw the same Germanic side where accuracy and precision are also part of the culture. Accurate numbers are very important.
With the British it was never about accurate numbers, in fact the people back home were told glowing accounts of the key players in the Boer Wars, and they were treated like heroes including Kitchener; some were given extra financial rewards for their efforts. If you read the Wikipedia entry you’ll see there is still much effort going on to apologize for Kitchener et al for his wanton neglect. But the war would never have been started if gold and diamonds had not been found in Transvaal and Orange Free State which renewed British interest in the region. Of course the ordinary folk back home were never told of the deaths in these camps, nor even the camps themselves.

Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 11:40 utc | 201

@166 and others:
Why did I hate the Communists?
You seem to forget that people were shot trying to go over the Berlin Wall, or otherwise escape from Communism. People died trying to cross from Cuba to the US. May I suggest to you that a regime that forces its citizens to stay at the point of a gun is not one that a civilized person wants to be a part of? At any point, any Canadian or American could have emigrated to Russia or Cuba; it’s just that no one wanted the life of misery on offer.
You also seem to forget *The Gulag Archipelago* and other works like it. Are you suggesting that Russians did not have to queue for goods of uncertain quality in long lines? Are you denying that a ‘political officer’ had to accompany all sports teams and arts groups if they travelled abroad? Are you suggesting it was all a workers paradise?
To all of you: get bent. The USSR was an abomination, which is why its ‘unchallenged worldwide empire’ as Lewis Lapham put it in the 70s is now in the dustbin of history. I loathed anyone associated with it in any official capacity because of its stated goal to impose its idiotic ideology on the rest of the world, at the point of risking blowing it all up.
That ended in 1991. I gave Gorby and the Russian people full credit for throwing off the yoke of Communism; I mourn for the immediate aftermath, and have given credit for Russian resurgence. It’s a perfectly logical stance, given the change in circumstances.

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 202

Good points re the “goslow’” , but Russia may not have neutralised assets or key people ,as we would expect in this war scenario, because they were simply not allowed to ; either by China and/or Russo/Ukro oligarchs. Yes, China does still own a lot of infrastructure in the Ukraine , including I believe railways. Putin may be unwilling to destroy them because he is honestly being timid , or he is playing the long game. I still don’t know myself and likely never will.
Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 10:58 utc | 198
To the contrary, that is very much part of Putin. Russia ran an operation to save the former Ukraine president at the time of the US/UK coup and similar with Assad. Russia has not tried to use either as a ‘Government in exile’.
In the past, he has spoken about the killing of Tsar Nicholas and family and how he feels about that. Something along the lines of statesman or lawyer type mindset diplomatic courtesy. Something to do with the way Putin looks at things that I do not have a term for.
There is also another aspect. Putin has said that with the Americans, when they see a problem, they completely eliminate that problem but in doing so, many other problems arise. Putin believes in taking a problem down to the point it is manageable but not take it down to a point where other problems will arise.
Russia has prepared for the worst but at the same time tried for something better. Leaving the Ukraine leadership intact gave a chance of a negotiated ending to the conflict which would save the lives of many Ukrainians sent to the frontline, not to mention the Russian troop casualties.
Though a countering thought to that in my mind is that overall, Russia early on decided to turn the Ukraine bear trap into a Nato trap which would destroy Nato. This line of thought is due the Russia’s warning of use of Military technical means of securing its own security if US/Nato would not negotiate new mutual security agreements after having pulled out of all or most late cold war era mutual security agreements.
Casualty ratios are now off the charts as far as this type of conflict goes with Ukraine cannon fodder simply lambs for the slaughter.
The Ukraine telegram channels are now reporting a dire shortage of FPV drones on the frontlines. I had thought this may have been due to the US sanctioning itself out of Chinese drone parts, but it seems more likely that the Brits has diverted all western drone expenditure to the larger more expensive drones used for the recent large scale attacks into Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 203

Again! WTH is Russia doing?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/2066231/putin-russia-army-mig-31-destroyed-savasleyka/amp

Posted by: bored | Jun 9 2025 12:12 utc | 204

205
You: get bent. The U$$A is and has been an abomination, which is why its ‘unchallenged worldwide empire’ will be in the dustbin of history, if the abomination don’t blow up the world rather than surrender.
I ignore anyone associated with U$$A in any capacity because of its stated goal to impose its idiotic ideology of serfdom on the rest of the world, at the point of risking blowing it all up.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 9 2025 12:24 utc | 205

@202
What TACO trump, the latest puppet in the Oval Office, says and what the U$$A does are vastly different.
TACO don’t even know the strategy much less the plan.

Posted by: paddy | Jun 9 2025 12:28 utc | 206

@ Peter AU1
Would be interested in your comment if article is worthwhile.
Сценарии противостояния США и КНР: последствия для России
Also published on TACC … a Russian MoD briefing?

Posted by: Oui | Jun 9 2025 12:52 utc | 207

Hi everyone
While i feel sure that the recently resurrected PeterAu is not the the reborn peter (rather to calm) he does provide some useful information.
Happy to read him as his stuff is good BUT beware such a being. Who is he and why? So far so good but still everyone take care.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 208

Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 4:18 utc | 146
RE: Ukrainization in the U.S.
<< Interesting to hear of perceptions about Ukraine in Oz. Where the diaspora is large in the U.S., like in greater Chicago or the Brighton Beach area of Brooklyn, Ukrainization has occurred, by which I mean the civic embrace of the history of Ukraine practically devoid of Russian or Soviet influences, except in negative ways. So in these Ukranian enclaves where theoretically the average person is more invested in the conflict and therefore might come closer to various truths are they still stupid as fuck ? I would imagine that a good proportion of people in Ukraine now absolutely despise the government, surely that would translate a bit to the expat community.

Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 209

Obviously rabidly pro what he calls ‘ukraine’ – i.e. kiev ukraine currently set on destroying 10 million Donbas ukrainians – he nevertheless presents a lot of supposed information about severe strikes on the russian forces on the one hand and interesting insights into the kiev ukrainian forces on the other.
And overall, of course, manifests that universal feature of the kiev ukrainians who call themselves ‘the ukrainians’ : total, complete, utter and absolute disregard of the very existence of the 10 million donbass ukrainians upon whose land they stand.
I would be interested in anyone’s comments on any of the three topics. ‘don’s weekly’. If you don’t know of it, here it is, comes in four parts this week:
part 1
part 2
part 3
part 4

Posted by: pasta | Jun 9 2025 13:06 utc | 210

I’m with steel_porcupine on the whole assassinate-the-green-gimp thing. Zelenskiiyy is America’s problem, and as far as Russia is concerned the problem of Zelenskiiyy will solve itself as the conflict follows its natural course. The analysis by steel_porcupine of why the US cannot act on Zelenskiyiy is convincing, largely because with Trump at the helm (disconnected, like the steering wheel on a baby’s pram) a unified narrative from the Mockingbird mass media covering for the US is unlikely. Anyway, the gang that would be doing the assassinating are the CIA. They’re still rogue and enjoy nothing more than spiting Trump, even if it costs the Empire. The US taking out Zelenskyiyi before the next pres election is nil.
Now the Nazis, on the other hand… If the Ukraine continues wearing the big “L” like they are then the Nazis will do the deed themselves. And let’s face it, there is no conceivable way for the Ukraine to pull out of their 737MAX power dive into terrain.
I still maintain that the little green knob goblin’s best chance for a long life would be in the hands of the Russians. Even if he escapes to Miami or Tel Aviv before Kiev is liberated, he will only last until he falls out of the news cycle for a few months, maybe a year.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 13:09 utc | 211

The collapse of the front is accelerating so Volo will be in Haifa soon with his stolen millions, safely protected by the IDF war criminals……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 9 2025 13:12 utc | 212

Brutal take down of incompetent DEI-hire lady leading the charade called EU foreign policy:
https://asiatimes.com/2025/06/the-rise-of-antidiplomacy-in-a-powerless-europe/

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:19 utc | 213

Would be interested in your comment if article is worthwhile.
Сценарии противостояния США и КНР: последствия для России
Also published on TACC … a Russian MoD briefing?
Posted by: Oui | Jun 9 2025 12:52 utc | 210
I think it is great. Thank you. And a whole new source to look to.
Can someone explain to me the rationale for america’s unbridled hatred of any other country becoming a significant trader in the world?
That’s all it is, isn’t it? Looks to me that way. They just don’t want anyone trading without they themselves profit from it. Right?
i.e. the problem to them is that everyone might start buying Chinese goods. Is that right? But everyone does buy chinese goods. Walmart’s shelves, I’m told, are 80% chinese goods.
To cut to the chase: what terrible thing is going to happen to us if america does not get its way and china and the rest of the world are allowed to trade as they see fit?
And what great boons are we going to get if america does get its way and no one (in the whole world?) can do any trade without the permission of the americans?
Please. Anyone with real knowledge could they lay it out for me?

Posted by: pasta | Jun 9 2025 13:19 utc | 214

pasta @217: “Can someone explain to me the rationale for america’s unbridled hatred of any other country becoming a significant trader in the world?”
Any piece of the pie that someone else gets is a piece that the US doesn’t get. Zero-sum thinking.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 215

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 9 2025 13:12 utc | 215
The collapse of the front is accelerating so Volo will be in Haifa soon with his stolen millions, safely protected by the IDF war criminals……….

The Jewish comedian cann’t steal enough money to pay for his personal security even in Haifa.
He’s a dead man walking.
He knows it.
His wife knows it.
His 12 yr old boy and 20 yr old girl know it.
His parents know it.
He took the wrong turn in Albuquerque.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 216

Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 212
I think that is the other way around. Ukraine expats are the most rabid warmongers. They really wont to fight to the last Ukrainian (still in Ukraine) while they are comfortably sitting on their asses far away from the frontline and their rotting country.

Posted by: Mario | Jun 9 2025 13:43 utc | 217

“Sometimes I wonder if it could be as simple as a silver bullet to liberate us. This could be one. I think destroying the magic money printing machine is another, if there is such a thing.”
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 8 2025 23:34 utc | 96
Of course there is one take a bank note out of your pocket and read it. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s who is in charge of it that matters.
Why the very first thing your enemies do is take it from you.
Believing the tax payer money myth is by far more obtuse and ridiculous than actually believing the state creates money from thin air.
Regardless what your TV tells you.

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 9 2025 13:50 utc | 218

Politico: Russia has at least 40,000 more Ukrainian military bodies prepared to “attack the Ukrainian economy”. Just 6,000 Ukrainian soldiers waiting at the border will cost the Ukrainian economy more than $2 billion.
It was obvious that the Kiev regime was hiding its losses by profiting from the dead.

western values.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 9 2025 13:53 utc | 219

Oui | Jun 9 2025 12:52 utc | 210
Your link – pretty much the picture I am seeing. What was missing was the US change from using the term Asia Pacific to the term Indo Pacific. That change,along with the creation of AUKUS is aimed at interdicting Chinese shipping in the Indian ocean. These moves are likely due o the US considering it may be no longer able to contain China within the first island chain.
Both the Russia and China are seeing this and although commenced before the change in US terminology, the rail and pipe based belt and road initiatives were designed to counter this. Russia’s northern sea route which Russia are pushing through is also designed to counter US control of the southern seas. Even so, if US interdicts chinese shipping in the Indian ocean, that will effectivly cut them off from Africa. Interdict – just another term for US piracy.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 13:53 utc | 220

*** Can someone explain to me the rationale for america’s unbridled hatred of any other country becoming a significant trader in the world? ***
Posted by: pasta | Jun 9 2025 13:19 utc | 217
First, I’m not posting to claim the ground of someone who knows anything. I’m just a other Bozo on the bus.
I dont think news and media can be used to accurately attribute conscious motive to any unitary entity. It just doesn’t work that way. Rather, the incentives in place cause a series of unknowing individuals to act in their own self interest. When they do, it may look like hatred when none of them individually hate.
The forces with the highest stakes are able to express themselves at the level of government policy and in these strange days through media. An effective narrative, for example one that increases engagement by stoking “hate”, can be used to further an undisclosed interest to “get the deal done.” The general public never really knows what just happened. They are important because their reaction to a certain stimulus (narrative) is predictable.
So are the riots in LA because those poor Mexicans there don’t want their family members to be deported? I don’t thinks so – this is another form of color revolution. Nobody has no idea who is really trying to accomplish what – it is big maybe something like military spending. The only thing that can be guaratneed is incentives are changing and as unintended consequences present there will be new opportunities for profit.
This is just how I see it. I could be wrong.

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 13:57 utc | 221

take a bank note out of your pocket and read it

Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 9 2025 13:50 utc | 221
If I take a bank note out of my pocket it promises to pay me 10lbs of sterling silver, perhaps we could call it a promissory note…
Of course, I shouldn’t have any trouble collecting, as the state has the ability to create sterling silver out of thin air…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 14:01 utc | 222

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 7:51 utc | 165
RE: widely dispersed but shallow propaganda hand-delivered by the Ukrainian diaspora
<< Good points. Obviously a deeply ingrained Russophobia in the U.S. has turbo-charged the Russia-jettisoning diaspora which arrived from Ukraine. This phenomenon was mild, but present, *before* 2014, but got amplified once the SMO commenced. Greater Chicago received a major influx of new Ukrainian migrants, fleeing the war, as did Brooklyn, though both places already had a Ukrainian presence. A Ukrainian population inhabits the area of northern Virginia south of D.C., too, famously represented in Congress by Ret Col Vindman's twin brother. Community sympathy is strong for Ukrainians on account of "Russia's full-scale unprovoked brutal war of aggression"(TM), so there is especially a tendency to identify publicly which restaurants are Ukrainian-owned & operated: the Ukrainian cake shop; the Ukrainian street food truck, etc. It's interesting to note how the Ukrainian flag gets used on these businesses, as well as a blue-and-yellow color scheme. In 2018, when I returned from my first trip to Crimea, people who knew I'd been traveling quite a bit to Russia asked me what I thought. I spoke about the civil war which began on the heels of Euromaidan and mentioned that Russian is both a *language* of Ukrainian citizens and an *ethnicity*---and that my friends on the peninsula, former Ukrainian citizens who were now citizens of the Russian Federation as a result of the 2014 referendum had *returned* themselves to the Motherland in order to flee the violence & chaos of the government in Kiev. And the person to whom I said this told me, "That's not what Ukrainians in our town say." To which I responded, "Well, of course not. Ukraine is experiencing a civil war. But it's not as if Russian ethnics, caught up in the war, have no stance." I'll say, the person's perspective took me aback. This was 2018. A narrative had taken hold.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 14:01 utc | 223

“You seem to forget that people were shot trying to go over the Berlin Wall, or otherwise escape from Communism. People died trying to cross from Cuba to the US. May I suggest to you that a regime that forces its citizens to stay at the point of a gun is not one that a civilized person wants to be a part of? At any point, any Canadian or American could have emigrated to Russia or Cuba; it’s just that no one wanted the life of misery on offer.”
Ah, yes, sure, Cuba, Berlin Wall, Russia, all products of communism the ideology of consequently living the general human rights by having no power hierarchy at all, just living toghether in peace as equal, like in a community.
None of these had anything to do with neighbors and other nations trying to slaughter them, over and over and over again.
The Berlin Wall as of ourse build over 15 years after the end of 2.WW to “imprison the germans fleeing all this ‘communistic suffering’ – not because the USA created NATO, started the Cold War to continue/repeat 2.WW with pretty much the same goal, put US nuclear weapons into western germany and the CIA recruiting eastern german citizens to spy for them in this war, that – when going hot – would have ended all of mankind, while also reading the post of western citizens of cause and brainwashing into believing in this war, in which they never anything more, no matter the outcome, than cannonfodder.
Oh no, got nothing to do with this for sure, it’s all the idea of some people who thought, that the wealth and especially the whole economy shouldn’t be controlled by some few people, what would of course automatically give them the control of all the people who need this economy to survive, to live and that instead this control should be in democratic control of ALL people, the whole SOCIety (= socialism) and from there it woul be a natural evolution that people understand, that living in contant fear from each other and in constant, pointless fight with each other, going up to genocidal wars, is stupid and it would be better to live together in peace, as equals (= communims).
It’s clear that a) these nations you mentioned reacht just that, that the leaders of these countries had this in mind and nothing else, but that this idea is to absurd, so stupid, bad, ill, crazy and just evil, that it alone lead to all the horrible problems – for sure not capitalism and its gready warmongers who try to murder and pillage them and the desperate fight against that…
Nah, it’s not that, can’t be. We all know that the rule of powerhungry and endless greedy oligarchs, especially when combined with making a magic cross on a piece of paper every 4-5 years, is the only thing that leads to freedom and prosperity. For sure the clear opposite of such sick communistic ideas, that humans are equal in worth and rights. Only a worthless, ill minded subhuman would say something like that.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 14:04 utc | 224

Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 205
You blame the Soviets for too much. So you think those long lines to buy nothing at the shops was solely due to the traits of Communism? You don’t blame the US-controlled and allied West for not trading with Russia via embargoes and other restrictions. You think China would have risen to its premier position without the US trading with them?
You didn’t notice the similar American-protected totalitarian govs and systems in Africa, Latin America or Asia during this time? What about Saudi Arabia even until now?You didn’t worry about those people there ?
In any case, I give you full credit for changing your mind. Too many people stubbornly stick to their opinions in the face of new and/or overwhelming evidence. Bravo.

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:15 utc | 225

Of course there is one take a bank note out of your pocket and read it. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s who is in charge of it that matters.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 9 2025 13:50 utc | 221
It’s hard to believe educated adults still think this way: if only Team Good Guys can win the election, then everything will be just fine. We just need the right gangsters in place.
How juvenile, shortsighted. This is the stupid game Americans have been playing for generations.And no matter which team wins this rigged game, misery ensues.
Those who don’t argue for far less centralized power are silly.

Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 9 2025 14:17 utc | 226

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 219
RE: he took the wrong turn in Albuquerque
<< there's a killer on the road his brain is twitching like a toad take a long holiday let your children play if you give this man a ride sweet family will die killer on the road

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 14:19 utc | 227

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 13:29 utc | 219
Does the Green Goblin still have his wife imprisoned and held hostage in the the Ukraine? You know she was arrested at the airport whilst leaving right?
A very pretty beard for him, if you ask me, but what does she get out of it? Hot stud on the side and louboutins probably make up for a lot , ha?

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:31 utc | 228

“The U$$A is and has been an abomination, which is why its ‘unchallenged worldwide empire’ will be in the dustbin of history, if the abomination don’t blow up the world rather than surrender. ”
US/western fascism (or whatever you want to call it, labels don’t matter in the end, especially when it comes to those of such evil, which changes it on purpose now and then*) will end the same way as all evil empires – rotting away destroyed by its own hubris and corruption, born from greed that eats up all sane thoughts, until it shatters against reality. Sadly this shattering happens rarely without many other victims.
That’s exactly what is already happening.
*reminds me of a song of a german musician, who also created musical stories for children, one with a child dragon on his adventure, discovering the world from that point of a child, for example to understand what “Love” is. The little dragon meets all kind of of beings, robots without motions, a lady of ice enchanging any visitor with her beauty just to eat up their heat to warm herself a little up, just runing them into ice and even death itself (a merry follow) and so on, but the most captivating part is, when HATE surprised him on his journey, ENVY in the form of a snake around his neck, singing this song “I am hate.”
(translated from german – just one parts):
I rob you of the light
Because I can’t shine on my own
But I’ll give you lies until your imagination shatters
I change my skin every day that’s why I’m so familiar to you”
Especially that last line stayed with me. It just adapts. It changes its skin, its names, the labels. That’s happening all the time.
When you look at human history, the evil, the hate, it did not change. Just the methods, the labels – the skin.
The short speech of the snake envy was also quite well done, really a good story for children with a lot to learn from:
‘I rarely come alone, very often in pairs. My friend [I bring along] is vanity.
I usually show a smiling face – never my real self.
I spur you on to great deeds and wait for you to fail
I… am envy.’ ending with “But what would I be without my master: hate.”
It’s just for children, but it hits quite deep and hard.
Sadly today we more throw superficial “power of friendship” nonsense and alike at our children (often used by pretty psychopathic protagonists) instead of lections of real moral. Gone the times, where even something like ‘He Man'(!) actually delivered a lesson with every episode.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 14:35 utc | 229

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 206
All valid points , which is why I don’t rightly know why Putin is acting as he is. We will see.
What I can tell you is I am sick and tired of the US , its vassals and Ukrainians-who-think-they-weren’t-originally-Russians. They all need a good hiding so that they run off with their tails between their legs. That way, we can all live in peace and hopefully with more goods and services ie health, education, housing ,work. Yes, I live in a vassal country.

Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:42 utc | 230

Welcome back Cotter. I mean Peter AU1. If that’s really you.
The Sweat hogs have missed you.
Carrying on with my nature theme I give you the following:
A riff on a BBC Nature doc. Featuring Sir David Attenborough and a bear. (Don’t go all rule 34 on this.)
Scene: As usual, the bear is sitting in the shade of a tall tree. He has the beehive in his lap and is gorging on the sweet honey, bees, wax and all.
Sir David Attenborough: “Oh dear Mr bear! I’m afraid you’ve eaten some British, Canadian and Swedish bees! That won’t do at all!”
Bear: Looks at Sir David for half a second, then goes back to licking honey, bees and wax from his six inch claws.
In that half second the bear had a thought. That thought went something like this:
“I wonder what you’d look like without any skin?”
Apologies for my poor bear translation. Ursines are difficult and clever.

Posted by: Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 14:44 utc | 231

Very good summary of what’s going on:
-RUAF control highlands south of Konstantinovka, bottling remaining AFU forces south of Konstantinovka to a low-land channel
-AFU have no natural defenses west, south-west or south of Konstantinovka, enabling RUAF to put it into pincers
-RUAF defeated the AFU grouping tasked defending between Pokrovsk and Konstantinovka, now separating the cities and groupings from each other (no synergy possible)
-RUAF, within a few months could take the last heights, west of Konstantinovka, leaving the town surrounded in the lowland
-RUAF progress in the fields south of Konstantinovka, Komar, another strongpoint of the AFU line is pinned and surrounded against the river and water reservoir
https://x.com/clement_molin/status/1926674066993250419

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 14:49 utc | 232

Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 14:44 utc | 234
Although not same, that made me think of the Russian childrens cartoon, Masha and the bear. Anther is Escobar’s “Mama bear and her baby bears” when it came to Russia and the donbass republics.
Closest though is what Putin said one or two months into the SMO. “You aint seen nothing yet”.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 14:51 utc | 233

re:6000 ukrop bodies
Something I do not understand: why are these 6000 such a problem for the Nazi regime? Somewhere between tens and hundreds of times that number have been killed, so why are these 6000 special?
All I can guess is that the possibly half million other ukropian troops that have been killed are denied by the Nazi regime so they don’t have to pay for them? These 6000 are documented and so the regime cannot pretend they are alive?

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 234

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 237
The stage of the game re. Ukraine is that the loss is inevitable (it’s just a matter of how long the western MSM and Ukro propaganda can keep up a smokescreen of not admitting it, tbh, they might not ever admit it). For Zelensky and gang, the main objective is to leach as much money as possible.
If 6000 dead Ukrainians require $1.8 billion in reparations for relatives and families, that’s directly out of Zelensky’s cash flow machine.
What do you think, would he give his money to some degenerate Ukrainians when the moment is now critical as money flow may go out at any moment, and he could use the money to buy more shares in Northam Platinum or some more villas in Italy or UAE?

Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 14:58 utc | 235

10 trillion in USD treasuries on the float this year. 30% of GDP. Should be ‘interesting’.

Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 9 2025 15:00 utc | 236

Mustee | Jun 9 2025 14:42 utc | 233
Russia in general has shown a very good understanding of western culture and mindset, but as Lavrov and I think Putin said, the level of insanity in the west surprised them, especially the EU willingness to destroy itself, destroy their own economies in the Attempt to take down Russia. Plus the long hidden very overt racism and Russophobia that suddenly surfaced across the board in the west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:00 utc | 237

frithguild | Jun 9 2025 13:57 utc | 224
Nobody has no idea who is really trying to accomplish what – it is big maybe something like military spending.

There are two types of people: psychopaths (aka leaders, rulers) and normies (followers, sheep). Normies just want to get along: do a days work, eat/drink, watch TV, get some action, wake up and do it all over again. Normies literally define the broad, low-mid range IQ, with the most damning proof demonstrated by the embrace of twin beliefs: their own personal sky god and governments exist to serve and benefit them.
However, around 1-2% of the population are restless, easily bored, usually highly intelligent, and in general, just want to fuck things up for their own amusement. The top echelon long ago acquired enough wealth to last many generation, with some still going strong after centuries. Each successive generation breeds yet another set of ambitious willing to do what it takes to get into the junior club, which some lable as the bourgeois.
As has oft been said, all wars are bankers’ wars; the reason being that fractional reserve lending (the domain of the legacy groups) periodically needs a reset in order to flush out bad debts. Thus the regular, periodic scheduling of significant, disruptive events aka war to provide sufficient political cover, with the added benefit of built in demand for yet another tranche of demand led lending activity.
This top level macro view describes how the world actually works, and has worked since the first clever bald ape figured out that if he convinced his troop to attack and conquer another, he’d solidify control by both focusing his own group’s attention while seizing the wealth of the other (slaves, land, food, etc). Now, if you can understand this, then you’re ready for the key test question:
What state of society, disruption or peace, benefits the pyschopath? You see, you don’t have to waste your time trying to drill down and unravel any specific action :: consequence relationship; rather, all you need to know is who is behind it, thus introducing the famous: cui bono?
In summary, what is happening in Ukraine, Palestine, the EU and USA are intentional, designed programs to ensure continuity of legacy rulers. Chaos is the rule, not the exception.

Posted by: markw | Jun 9 2025 15:01 utc | 238

William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 14:53 utc | 237
The 6000. Are they officers or a mix of ordinary soldiers and officers. One report, Russia used the word officers so I initially took it they were all officers. Ukraine/Nato lost 60 to 70,000 uniforms in Kursk. Generally the Ukraine dead are buried by Russia in mass graves on the battle fields.
If I work on one officer to every ten enlisted men, then 6000 is a pretty close figure for the number of dead officers. It made me think perhaps Russia had put the bodies of officers into cold storage for return to Ukraine while the ordinary soldiers mercs ect were buried on the battlefield.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 239

Very good summary of what’s going on:
-RUAF control highlands south of Konstantinovka, bottling remaining AFU forces south of Konstantinovka to a low-land channel
-AFU have no natural defenses west, south-west or south of Konstantinovka, enabling RUAF to put it into pincers
-RUAF defeated the AFU grouping tasked defending between Pokrovsk and Konstantinovka, now separating the cities and groupings from each other (no synergy possible)
-RUAF, within a few months could take the last heights, west of Konstantinovka, leaving the town surrounded in the lowland
-RUAF progress in the fields south of Konstantinovka, Komar, another strongpoint of the AFU line is pinned and surrounded against the river and water reservoir
https://x.com/clement_molin/status/1926674066993250419
Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 14:49 utc | 235
Every day it looks more and more like I’ve been saying for weeks, a longitude 37E wall being built

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 240

Leaving the Ukraine leadership intact gave a chance of a negotiated ending to the conflict which would save the lives of many Ukrainians sent to the frontline, not to mention the Russian troop casualties.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 12:01 utc | 206
At the beginning maybe, but since they cry every day that the leadership is not legitimate it means there must be other reasons, like Bubu-reasons, who has even sent more Patriots these days. I doubt the strategy of the smo has saved Russian troop casualties. If you send 5 to fight 5-10x more and when they die you send another 5, that isn’t high iq, it’s a very good plan to kill your own or suffer Kursk invasions. They’re so dumb they couldn’t give Kirillov an armored car and protection, the guy in charge of the only thing that matters, and that isn’t artillery duels on empty fields.
Mixed with the very slow speed which enables Nato to build new factories and send weapons by horse and still arrive in time.
The “retaliation” for airfield and bridges attacks has not happened yet, it’s the usual piss of a few drones and missiles for the internal public to remain quiet. They will be attacked again long before the committee decides what to do with the last attack.
“The Ukraine telegram channels are now reporting a dire shortage of FPV drones on the frontlines. “
You consider facts what Ukr TG channels write? They always say there is shortage of everything, what else can they say?

Posted by: rk | Jun 9 2025 15:09 utc | 241

The 6000. Are they officers or a mix of ordinary soldiers and officers. One report, Russia used the word officers so I initially took it they were all officers. Ukraine/Nato lost 60 to 70,000 uniforms in Kursk. Generally the Ukraine dead are buried by Russia in mass graves on the battle fields.
If I work on one officer to every ten enlisted men, then 6000 is a pretty close figure for the number of dead officers. It made me think perhaps Russia had put the bodies of officers into cold storage for return to Ukraine while the ordinary soldiers mercs ect were buried on the battlefield.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 242
Typically, officers die 1.6(6) times as often as non-officers, Typically, officers represent 3-5% of total.
So expected KIA officers should be in the 5-8% range
If 70.000 was KIA (not total casualties), 6.000 would be just slightly above the upper range (8.5%)
But I remember reading “mostly from kursk” so maybe a dash of belgorod saboteurs?
But that would mean that even advancing or holding, AFU left behind all corpses (or numbers much higher than 70k)
my 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:24 utc | 242

oh wow…PBS America…documentary in two parts…A nation denied…Ukraine’s Battle for History history -1000 years of history starting from the vikings
anyoneto fact check the sources they used, date of prog…..
also been broadcasting re 1932-32 …

Posted by: Jp | Jun 9 2025 15:24 utc | 243

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 14:51 utc | 236
Thank you for staying alive. And a hearty “Fuck off troll” for those who remember.
I’m sticking to my Nature doc. thing.
USA : The eagle: Shits on everything from above. Used to be devastating but not so much today.
Russia: The bear: Poke the bear. See what happens.
China : The dragon: Oh fuck!

Posted by: Inevitabllity | Jun 9 2025 15:28 utc | 244

The 6000. Are they officers or a mix of ordinary soldiers and officers. One report, Russia used the word officers so I initially took it they were all officers. Ukraine/Nato lost 60 to 70,000 uniforms in Kursk. Generally the Ukraine dead are buried by Russia in mass graves on the battle fields.
If I work on one officer to every ten enlisted men, then 6000 is a pretty close figure for the number of dead officers. It made me think perhaps Russia had put the bodies of officers into cold storage for return to Ukraine while the ordinary soldiers mercs ect were buried on the battlefield.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 15:08 utc | 242
Typically, officers die 1.6(6) times as often as non-officers, Typically, officers represent 3-5% of total.
So expected KIA officers should be in the 5-8% range (in the mediazona nominally id’ed RF losses it’s 4.6%)
If 70.000 was KIA (not total casualties), 6.000 would be just slightly above the upper range (8.5%)
But not typical operation, and I remember reading “mostly from kursk” so maybe a dash of belgorod saboteurs?
But that would mean that even advancing or holding, AFU left behind all corpses (or numbers much higher than 70k)
my 2 cents

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 15:29 utc | 245

“Something I do not understand: why are these 6000 such a problem for the Nazi regime? Somewhere between tens and hundreds of times that number have been killed, so why are these 6000 special?”
Posted by: William Gruff
1. The Nazis arent’t willing to pay reparations to the families of the dead soldiers.
2. It would become obvious that the official figures of the Kyiv junta regarding killed Ukrainian soldiers are massively false and that the numbers are actually much higher.

Over 45,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed since start of war, Zelensky says
https://kyivindependent.com/over-45-000-ukrainian-soldiers-killed-since-start-of-war-zelensky-says/

Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 15:30 utc | 246

*** As has oft been said, all wars are bankers’ wars; ***
Posted by: markw | Jun 9 2025 15:01 utc | 241
Bankers adjust their ledgers. They are mechanics only.

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 15:31 utc | 247

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 11:31 utc | 203
————
Trouble is the British “elite” have pretty much disappeared up their own arses, decades ago.
So the current “Yoo Kay” is dysfunctional & decript sh*tshow, and that mitigates a lot of danger. Since they’ll soon be distracted 24/7 by trying to prop up their own rotten regime.

Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 9 2025 15:31 utc | 248

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 104
Indeed perhaps Serge is hinting that just as he argues that slow mobilization lost Germany the war on the USSR, so slow mobilization crippled Russia against UA. Russia waited too long to begin serious mobilization, and so UA was able to outnumber the small Russian invasion force and recapture large regions. If Russia had begun serious mobilization immediately as the invasion began, that setback may have never occurred, and Ukraine would have been denied major morale victories. Russia’s relative size should have enabled massive mobilization and recruitment that would have overblown Ukraine’s own if only it had been taken more seriously early on.
I am curious if Serge is still a believer (if he ever was) in the “attrition strategy” against UA. He wrote an article a while ago about how Germany’s WW1 “meatgrinder” strategy to win the war failed. To me (with only the same “osint” crap information as the rest of the general public) it still doesn’t appear that UA has been meaningfully attrited. I would not expect a weak and weakening force to be able and willing to maintain exposed toehold salients for months or years, as UA is still doing in Toresk and Bilorovka.
Various sources, Pro-RU and Pro-UA, have announced that the “Russian Summer Offensive” started a few days ago, though so far nobody can agree on *where* it has started, and there have not been any notable territorial shifts on the big map.

Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 15:34 utc | 249

Catdog @251:
Major difference between WWII and now is that back then the US and even UK were industrial powerhouses. They got shit done. Time was not on the side of anyone fighting them then because the US and UK could just steamroller their adversaries with industrial output. Here we are three years into the Ukraine war and Russia with its post-Soviet tiny economy is still trouncing the rest of the West for munitions production. Unless you can foresee some dramatic increase in industrial output in the West that hasn’t happened in the last three years, time is on Russia’s side and attrition war works for them.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 16:00 utc | 250

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 104
Indeed perhaps Serge is hinting that just as he argues that slow mobilization lost Germany the war on the USSR, so slow mobilization crippled Russia against UA. Russia waited too long to begin serious mobilization, and so UA was able to outnumber the small Russian invasion force and recapture large regions. If Russia had begun serious mobilization immediately as the invasion began, that setback may have never occurred, and Ukraine would have been denied major morale victories. Russia’s relative size should have enabled massive mobilization and recruitment that would have overblown Ukraine’s own if only it had been taken more seriously early on.
I am curious if Serge is still a believer (if he ever was) in the “attrition strategy” against UA. He wrote an article a while ago about how Germany’s WW1 “meatgrinder” strategy to win the war failed. To me (with only the same “osint” crap information as the rest of the general public) it still doesn’t appear that UA has been meaningfully attrited. I would not expect a weak and weakening force to be able and willing to maintain exposed toehold salients for months or years, as UA is still doing in Toresk and Bilorovka.
Various sources, Pro-RU and Pro-UA, have announced that the “Russian Summer Offensive” started a few days ago, though so far nobody can agree on *where* it has started, and there have not been any notable territorial shifts on the big map.
Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 15:34 utc | 251
on the contrary, I’d say that the way RF is about to (by years end) double total, and increase 10X free, bayonets (in spite of losses), and the massive increase of military production just short of crippling society and economy is a contrast to nato’s inability to muster enough forces to stop RF.
The “summer” movement already started, very significant (still difficult) areas were won, and a wall is currently being built for 37E (+ sumy straightening buffer). Clearly the attrition is not a problem because there are no critical resources in ukraine, RF does not have a tight timetable for taking any particular target.
For the choices taken I’ll quote Dmitry Medvedev
“I don’t want to live in a militarised country behind an iron curtain.
It’s boring. Been there and seen the movie. I’ve done that. ”

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 251

Re the discussion on whether Ru or Ua attacks on each other’s industry is more effective. One might expect that with the Russians launching dozens or hundreds of large Geran drones almost every day, while the Ukranians on average are attacking with just a few small Chinese Quadra copters, that the Russian attacks would be more devastating. And even the Ukrainians no longer claim that they have shot down 110% of each drone and missile attack. What are the Geran attacks hitting? Ukraine always lets us know very loudly what they’ve hit, but for all we know most Gerans are disappearing into the void. I’m very curious. Is RU intelligence even able to provide quality targets for dozens-hundreds of gerans per day? Maybe… otherwise RU might actually try attacking Ukrainian bridges, which inexplicably remain mostly intact after years of war, even most of those close to the front line.

Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 16:14 utc | 252

I wonder how long the Russian population will stay quiet. Putin is clearly failing to keep Russia safe, while telling the world there are no red lines when it comes to attacks on Russia proper.

Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 253

I wonder how long the Russian population will stay quiet

Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 255
Longer than the US population.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:30 utc | 254

… certainly longer than the Ukrainian population.

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 9 2025 16:32 utc | 255

The Israeli ambassador to Kiev confirmed that Tel Aviv had transferred Patriot systems received from the United States to Ukraine.
Prior to this, in January 2025, a number of OSINT resources reported on the sending of a large batch of weapons to Kiev, including exactly 90 missiles for the Patriots. At the same time, the way this was covered suggested that this leak could have been nothing more than a “cover” for larger deliveries.
As for the systems themselves, they were allegedly used by the IDF back in the early 90s.
Before this, Netanyahu-controlled media diligently pretended that the most that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could get from Israel was auxiliary equipment, medicines, etc. That is, the model was maintained, in which it was always possible to “roll back” without burning bridges in relations with Moscow.
In reality, Israel has long been involved in a proxy war against Russia, and this statement only highlights the reality. And it would be very good to take it into account in the context of relations with Tehran. If something is holding Tel Aviv back from even more active support for Kiev, it is the unresolved “Iranian problem”. If Iran disappears from the geopolitical map (not necessarily as a country, but at least as a player), this will very quickly affect Israel’s actions in Ukraine.
@voenkorKotenok

Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 9 2025 16:42 utc | 256

“Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 9 2025 16:00 utc | 253”
I agree that the West’s small industrial capacity means Ukraine can’t win. And there is no way for the West to correct that deficiency, even if they had the will. However, the west still has ways to make Russia lose, which don’t rely on large-scale military production. The years-long attrition quagmire itself, the terrorist and drone attacks which can be maintained even after the war ends and blamed on Ukrainian nationalists, and the color revolution machine. The worst possible outcome would be a color revolution that has Belarus realign to the West.
“The “summer” movement already started, very significant (still difficult) areas were won,
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 254″
Where? I have seen hardly any movement on the map except a bit north of Sumy and in the southern Donbass.

Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 257

But auto immune disease strikes the large intestine and if that is not functioning correctly, then debilitating fatigue occurs. Due both to immune activity and various deficiencies. In nealy every blood test I have had in my life, my immune readings have been elevated. Every one of those fuckers told me I was just getting over the flu. So much for higher education. Scumbags.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:26 utc | 58
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Posted by: MiniMO | Jun 9 2025 16:48 utc | 258

OT: I find myself often looking at narratives and see significance in the time and place of their publication – with respect to Ukraine i find this an especially interesting excercise. Stylman resonates with me:

The most sophisticated manipulation doesn’t give you false information. It gives you real information filtered through a lens that makes you feel smart for seeing what others miss. It makes you feel special, part of the small group that truly understands. Your timeline feels true because it was designed to feel true to someone exactly like you.
We’re not living in an information war. We’re living in a perception war. And the battlefield is your mind.
The question isn’t which perspective is correct. The question is: who benefits from keeping us sorted into these predictable camps, arguing with each other instead of looking up at who’s pulling the strings?
You think you see the manipulation. But what if the manipulation is making you think you see the manipulation? What if your sophisticated analysis of the system is just another room in the maze?
Welcome to the hall of mirrors. The exit is marked “certainty.”
That’s how you know it’s a trap.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stylman/p/fractured-realities?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2zfp1k

Posted by: frithguild | Jun 9 2025 17:10 utc | 259

“The “summer” movement already started, very significant (still difficult) areas were won,
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 16:03 utc | 254″
Where? I have seen hardly any movement on the map except a bit north of Sumy and in the southern Donbass.
Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 16:44 utc | 259
you’re sounding more and more like a troll but I’ll indulge one last time
Just NE of pokrovsk a wide wall is rising. Further north scaffolds are being sent.
By summer’s end it can stretch from the oskil river to pokrovsk.
Then pushed east to make a first wall at 37E (36E if kiev is rude)

Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 17:13 utc | 260

https://t.me/adinadesouzy/8947
We love the world.
We love peace.
And thus all anti-russian trolls are fucked. Especially sob and his followers.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:46 utc | 261

Posted by: 8166 | Jun 9 2025 16:21 utc | 255
Fuck off anti-russian troll.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:52 utc | 262

Posted by: Catdog | Jun 9 2025 15:34 utc | 252
Fuck off anti-russian troll and liar.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 17:54 utc | 263

I got the same propaganda that Frankie D. got, as did everyone else in the US, but I was able to experience cognitive dissonance when I ran into cracks in the narrative. Yeah, Markw, who thinks that intelligent people are psychopaths, not all of us are. Some use our brains to compare and contrast, and we are capable of changing our minds when blatant lies are exposed.
Back in the 90s, after the USSR was destroyed, I read a news article saying that Russians now had to stand in line for basics. WTF? I was told my entire life that they had to stand in line for everything. But this articles causally said that, no, before the collapse they had to stand in line for luxuries, or unusual products, but not for basics.
That blew my mind. I had been lied to my entire life, and I had believed it. Maybe the “news” was not the impartial source of information they pretended to be. I no longer believe them when they tell me their stories.
And as for the Berlin Wall, put up 16 years after WW2 ended and the partition of the country was established, why did they do that? Just pure commie evil? Yes, Frankie D. still fervently believes what he was told when he was 10.
But William Blum tells a different story….
“First of all, before the wall went up thousands of East Germans had been commuting to the West for jobs each day and then returning to the East in the evening; many others went back and forth for shopping or other reasons. So they were clearly not being held in the East against their will……
The C.I.A. and other U.S. intelligence and military services recruited, equipped, trained and financed German activist groups and individuals, of West and East, to carry out actions which ran the spectrum from juvenile delinquency to terrorism; anything to make life difficult for the East German people and weaken their support of the government; anything to make the commies look bad.
It was a remarkable undertaking.
“The United States and its agents used explosives, arson, short circuiting, and other methods to damage power stations, shipyards, canals, docks, public buildings, gas stations, public transportation, bridges, etc; they derailed freight trains, seriously injuring workers; burned 12 cars of a freight train and destroyed air pressure hoses of others; used acids to damage vital factory machinery; put sand in the turbine of a factory, bringing it to a standstill; set fire to a tile-producing factory; promoted work slow-downs in factories; killed 7,000 cows of a co-operative dairy through poisoning; added soap to powdered milk destined for East German schools; were in possession, when arrested, of a large quantity of the poison cantharidin with which it was planned to produce poisoned cigarettes to kill leading East Germans; set off stink bombs to disrupt political meetings; attempted to disrupt the World Youth Festival in East Berlin by sending out forged invitations, false promises of free bed and board, false notices of cancellations, etc.; carried out attacks on participants with explosives, firebombs, and tire-puncturing equipment; forged and distributed large quantities of food ration cards to cause confusion, shortages and resentment; sent out forged tax notices and other government directives and documents to foster disorganization and inefficiency within industry and unions … all this and much more.” [See William Blum, Killing Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II, p.400, note 8, for a list of sources for the details of the sabotage and subversion. ]”
For the entire article, see Consortium News. https://consortiumnews.com/2022/11/09/the-other-side-of-the-berlin-wall-2/

Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 19:55 utc | 264

Israeli Ambassador Admits Israel Sent Patriot Systems To Bolster Ukrainian Air Defences (& vid)
https://RT_com/status/1932089031594004661
“Israeli Ambassador to Kiev Michael Brodsky ADMITS that Israel sent Patriot systems to bolster Ukrainian air defenses. ‘When they say Israel did not help militarily, that’s not true.’ For years, the Israeli government insisted they only sent ‘humanitarian aid’ to Ukraine.”
‘Mossad Knew About Ukraine’s Assassination Attempt on Putin’ (& vid)
https://x.com/GUnderground_TV/status/1932032191132848499
“Mossad is everywhere today. Mossad is all over Ukraine, and Ukraine, for that matter, is in Syria with Mossad connivance…” Col Lawrence Wilkerson (ret), former Chief of Staff, US State Dept.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:03 utc | 265

Israel Amb Admits Israel Sent Patriot Systems To Ukraine (corrected from above)
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1932032191132848499
“Israeli Ambassador to Kiev Michael Brodsky ADMITS that Israel sent Patriot systems to bolster Ukraine’s air defenses. ‘When they say Israel did not help militarily, that’s not true.’ For years the Israeli government insisted they only sent ‘humanitarian aid’ to Ukraine.”
‘Israel is a lie-machine.’ John Pilger

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:11 utc | 266

Try this instead..’Israel sent Patriot Systems to Ukraine’ – Amb
https://x.com/RT_com/status/1932089031594004661

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:14 utc | 267

‘Israel is a lie-machine.’ John Pilger
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:11 utc | 268

All western countries are lie-machines. Always have been since 5 centuries at least.

Posted by: Naive | Jun 9 2025 20:31 utc | 268

JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 20:14 utc | 269
*** ‘Israel sent Patriot Systems to Ukraine’ ***
Khazars trying to recapture Khazaria.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 9 2025 22:10 utc | 269

In response to james@144,
Cheers right back at you, my friend, and thanks.

Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 10 2025 0:23 utc | 270

William Gruff 253 – the UK industrial capacity has by design nearly disappeared.
UK only has one active steel plant (owned by the Chinese and recently assumed by the government), one more in mothballs, and no coke plants, no active coal mines in Wales (several in mothballs), and are completely dependent on green energy and a the huge extension cord from France, all its coal and oil fired power stations have been shuttered. The Harland and Wolff shipyards are mothballed.
The UK uniparty long ago threw heavy industrial production overboard overboard, they have really no capacity to ramp up defense production……….

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 1:09 utc | 271

The UK power grid is so fragile and non self sufficient that it could be easily taken down by the RF……..that is exactly what happens when you close your oil, coal and ng fueled power plants…….
Brits should think long and hard as they continue to poke the bear…..

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 1:21 utc | 272

WATCH…
https://x.com/RickSanchezTV/status/1932162457172156750
“In an exclusive interview with Rick Sanchez, Russia’s top negotiator Vladimir Medinsky says his Ukrainian counterparts, whom he likes, are too afraid to cut a deal for fear of being killed…

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 10 2025 5:42 utc | 273

Posted by: natrat | Jun 9 2025 13:03 utc | 212
RE: does loathing of the Kiev govt from citizens still living *within* Ukraine transfer to expats living in Ukrainian enclaves in the U.S.-?
<< Chicago literally has a long-standing neighborhood settled by immigrants of Slavic descent in the West Loop area called Ukrainian Village, a scenic & walkable cluster of city blocks w/ restaurants, taverns, shops, cathedrals and museums. Community events are often sponsored by a local group called Russian America for Democracy in Russia. The language which describes the upcoming events is congruent with the *official* Regime Media style-book: "On 23 February 2025 we will come together to mark a tragic anniversary---three years since Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine." Rallies include children draped in the blue-and-yellow flag holding signs that read "Russia Kills Ukrainian Children" T-shirts bear the words "Defend Ukraine/Free the Captives." Chicago's Ukrainian Daughters Foundation supports Ukraine in the fight for freedom and independence and stages monthly stand-up comedy shows, auctions, trivia nights and concerts. All proceeds are sent to Azov One, which is the Chicago-based non-profit supporting the Azov Brigade. It hosted a Bonfire Event, for instance, featuring an exhibit "Eyes of Mariupol," which showcased the efforts by The Defenders to save the city--$12,660 raised. I don't doubt that a complexity of viewpoints among Ukrainian expats, recent & new, exists about the civil war in Ukraine which preceded the hot war, and everything prior to those events, and I'm sure this gets debated privately---but the *public* stance of non-profit groups chimes with the Kiev government's view of matters, which chimes with the Regime Media's view. Social pressure alone might prevent a diversity of *truths* emerging about the war in Ukraine, since the impetus to maintain cohesion & unity is uppermost. We see this mirrored in Official Washington, for instance: it's difficult to probe or interrogate *truths* about Ukraine without being condemned. Relatedly, PBS this week is featuring a documentary in two parts by James Jones: "A Nation Denied...Ukraine's Battle for History." James Jones began documenting events in Ukraine w/ Euromaidan.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:41 utc | 274

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:41 utc | 277
RE: White Russians/Red Russians as an analogy
<< White Russians who fled the country in the aftermath of the Bolshevik Revolution experienced tension & conflict within expat communities that included Red Russians, whether in Paris or NYC. I'm surmising that Russian-ethnic/Russian-leaning Ukrainians who live in Brooklyn, Chicago and northern Virginia are going to clash massively with the predominantly Ukrainian-ethnic/EU-leaning Ukrainians there. They'll probably keep a low profile. Obviously it's tough to imagine *truths* emerging in a restrictive environment like that.

Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 10 2025 9:48 utc | 275

Posted by: Barsnack | Jun 9 2025 8:37 utc | 173
Thanks for chuckle, Barsnack.

Posted by: juliania | Jun 10 2025 11:01 utc | 276

Peeks 196 – If the UAF is knocking down 10% of drones and cruise missiles they are doing very well considering the depleted state of the AAD missile inventory, and the fact that RF is targeting Patriot missile batteries.
At this point RF has free rein over targets everywhere in Ukronaziland.
The huge uptick in RF air strikes is an indicator that the Big Arrow offensive, at some undisclosed part of the front, is about to begin……get your popcorn and legal beverages from the bar….the big show is about to start……

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 12:32 utc | 277

the wests cultural genocide against orthodoxy continues:

🇺🇦☦️The Zelensky regime found a new way to fight the canonical Orthodox Church – the clergy of the UOC simply were not included in the list of people exempt from mobilization.

‘This list includes many thousands of religious organizations (i.e. parishes, communities, monasteries, etc.) of practically all faiths, confessions, and jurisdictions. Except for one single one – the UOC. The communities of Jehovah’s Witnesses or the Society for Krishna Consciousness are now officially recognized as ‘critically important for the economy and life of the population of Ukraine’, but only the parishes of the UOC are not. Now if you are a priest of the UOC, you have to choose: either to the OCU, or to the front’ – UOC deacon Andrey Glushchenko.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 10 2025 12:49 utc | 278

George 195 – Yes, the POW camps from the US Civil War exhibited concentration camp like conditions.
Andersonville (Confederate) POW Camp in Georgia is often cited by the Unionist propaganda sources, but Elmira, better known as Hellmira (Union) in Upstate New York, south of Rochester, and Fort Douglas (Union) near Chicago were just as awful.

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 12:53 utc | 279

Justpassinby 281 – the Volo and Ukronazi war on the ROC/UOC has been ignored in the MSM which is just a media outlet of the Nazi regime in Kieve.
The destruction of parishes, seminaries – the arrests of priests and nuns, the seizure of cash assets, the imposition of sanctions against the faithful have garnered no exposure in the NYT, WPO, ABC, Guardian, BBC. NBC, CBS etc., etc., in fact Scott Pelley of CBS is virtually on Volo’s payroll (he rolls out weekly stories about the heroic Nazis in Kieve).

Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 10 2025 13:00 utc | 280

Public figures have belittled the connection between Palestine today and Ireland in the 17th and 18th centuries. ******************************************************************************************************”Having once entered Connaught, the Catholics were penned there like sheep; they were forbidden under pain of death to pass the borders.” “In his travels in Ireland in the 1770s, the English agricultural expert Arthur Young found that Protestants exercised at will the right to knock down, cane, or horsewhip any Catholic whose conduct appeared to them disrespectful.” [G.de B. (1839)] “Three million human beings were reported at this time to be subject periodically to “absolute destitution”. “The period from 1815 to 1826 was one of extreme agrarian distress in Ireland, actual famine –as distinct from chronic semistarvation– appearing in 1815.” [A Hist of Mod. Ire.]

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jun 10 2025 15:21 utc | 281

DH: Scott Ritter, Col Larry Wilkerson & Garland Nixon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6lM0C8qR5Y
“It’s started: Putin’s offensive breaks Ukraine.”
Daniel Davis & Col Doug Macregor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFYVJJlbQJw
“Russia’s win in Ukraine will never be stopped by NATO.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 10 2025 16:51 utc | 282

Ukraine and Russia are going to go through the shit even after the war, imagine all the PTSD on both sides and all the pardoned criminals on the loose in Russia.
Fucked. Fucked I say.

Posted by: Zonesy | Jun 10 2025 19:52 utc | 283

@ Zonesy | Jun 10 2025 19:52 utc | 286
Well, you look suspiciously like a single name use drive-by, but since this thread is more or less expired I’ll humour you.
I guarantee that Russia’s treatment of its combat veterans who exhibit PTSD symptoms will be a thousand times better than the the “treatment” the US gave its Vietnam veterans.
There you go, hope that settles your “concern”…

Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 10 2025 20:15 utc | 284

One of the key reasons why 90s are remembered as worst time in Russian history. Army men returned from Afghanistan and Chechnya, low employability, huge emotional luggage, but with guns and experience, some turned to work for the government, many turned to organized crime.
These pro-Russian western bloggers can’t even comprehend how fucked it will be after the war ends. Even if it magically get rid of autocracy, the sole post-war economy, demographic crisis consequences and PTSD discharged soldiers… no neo-liberal government can fix it in my lifetime.

Posted by: Comfortable Mud | Jun 11 2025 0:55 utc | 285

El Pais:
https://x.com/anatoliisharii/status/1932075717929431243
“The Ukrainian Armed Forces uses residential buildings to produce attack drones.
The project was presented to Zelensky back in February, the Spanish newspaper says.
The number of such objects is ‘growing like mushrooms,’ the article notes.
This is not a secret. This is old information.
When the Russians find out about such production, they ‘fly’ into civilian objects. Moreover, in Kyiv, air defense crews are located on some roofs.
This is completely illegal; in such cases, civilians must be notified and resettled. Of course, nobody does.
But the picture after strikes is wonderful!
Which is what Zelensky needs so hard.”

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 2:12 utc | 286

It’s Started…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6lM0C8qR5Y
DH:’Putin’s offensive breaks Ukraine’. Scott Ritter, Col Larry Wilkerson & Garland Nixon.

Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 11 2025 2:33 utc | 287

Ukraine is everything NAFO regards think Russia is; it openly calls for genocide, is hell bent on an insane and delusional mission, and most importantly, it actually gets what it wants from trump

Posted by: Resident Win | Jun 11 2025 15:11 utc | 288

Serious question about the current meme that the US has seriously depleted their own missile stores by giving them to Ukraine and by bombing the Houthis. Any chance this is misdirection, and US has plenty of missiles tucked away? How could the military let the stockpiles diminish drastically, orders or no orders?

Posted by: freedom fritos | Jun 11 2025 15:14 utc | 289

@15:21, posted on the wrong thread; ought to have been on the neither-nor thread.

Posted by: Ben Trovata | Jun 11 2025 15:16 utc | 290

@ JohnGilberts, §290:
Yes, it´s bizarre how England, France & Germany cling to the straw that the Ukraine might yet win.
The dusting up with Kiev this last week would, I guess, be payback for the two trains the Spiv of Kiev destroyed.
But I agree with Scott Ritter that the attack on the Russian nuclear triad, violating all the nuke treaties, is a different ball-game. And MI6 was confirmed by the Russians as accessories at least.
I would not be surprised if one of those hyper-ballistic missiles hit GCHQ or MI6 – with pin-point accuracy.
That would tell the lunatic English leaders all they´d need to know.

Posted by: John Marks | Jun 11 2025 19:07 utc | 291

ive become more convinced now that Ukraine is going to wipe out Russian leadership and when the dust settles there will just be some sternly worded letter

Posted by: decentralized | Jun 14 2025 4:58 utc | 292