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June 8, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-126
News & views related to the war in Ukraine …
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Hey “Peter”, what’s your favorite word for the Chinese? Posted by: Suresh | Jun 8 2025 23:52 utc | 101 Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 23:21 utc | 93 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 23:52 utc | 102 In response to Skarnkai@94, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2025 0:04 utc | 103 Bad news about big serge’s article on ukraine Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 104 In response to steel_porcupine@101, Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2025 0:31 utc | 105 I hope his girl who almost got him send to the frontlines went herself and got killed. Posted by: Surferket | Jun 9 2025 0:34 utc | 106 @62 Posted by: addy | Jun 9 2025 0:36 utc | 107 If there was a good time to target central government institutions now is it, if only to positively demonstrate Kievs inability to defend itself. Might provoke a political crisis. It’s not like they have any popularity in ukraine to protect or any hope of avoiding negative reactions in anything they do. Posted by: Neofeudalfuture | Jun 9 2025 0:36 utc | 108 Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 0:09 utc | 103 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 0:37 utc | 109 “US has given the go-ahead to remove Zelensky from power – former Ukrainian PM Azarov” Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 0:40 utc | 111 Posted by: Skarnkai | Jun 8 2025 23:30 utc | 94 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 0:43 utc | 112 Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2025 0:31 utc | 104 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 0:51 utc | 113 @102 Skiffer I generally agree that the immigrant communities will not be as easily pressganged into fighting a war. Posted by: Skarnkai | Jun 9 2025 0:54 utc | 114 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 0:40 utc | 110 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 0:55 utc | 115 BTW: the NBA is fire tonight. SGA, the MVP, running away w/ it. The *stuff* is tight as they say. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 0:56 utc | 116 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 0:40 utc | 110 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 1:04 utc | 117 Why saddle Russia w/ assassinating a head of state-? Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 1:04 utc | 118 Skiffer- use paragraphs. I won’t, and nor will others, read a wall of text. Posted by: Merv Ritchie | Jun 9 2025 1:23 utc | 119 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 1:04 utc | 117 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 1:28 utc | 120 I actually listened to Alexander also. He didn’t say that Russia was asking the US for permission. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 1:50 utc | 121 And he didn’t actually name Zelensky. He said that they would go after the people responsible for the terrorism being used on Russia. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 1:56 utc | 122 @Don Firineach | Jun 9 2025 0:38 utc, who said “Fuck off Troll” to the PeterAU1 imposter. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Jun 9 2025 1:59 utc | 123
Politburo was the organ of the CPSU Central Committee. Posted by: Rutte | Jun 9 2025 1:59 utc | 124 Good to see and be reminded that not all Europeans support the western elites’ warparty… Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 2:02 utc | 125 Russia spends $200M sending missiles into Ukraine and burn a bunch of factories, and in the same period of time Ukraine spends $200k sending a cheap ass drones into Russia and burning the same amount of factories. Idk but it seems like the math just doesnt add up. If Russia was able to figure a way to stop those drones they would have done it by now, its been 3 years. These UA drones are still very rudimentary from a aeronautic standpoint, they haven’t even started to get better, sure their guidance system is second to none cause its made by Nato but still. Posted by: Clown Fatigue | Jun 9 2025 2:05 utc | 126 Ballistic missiles on the way to Kiev, cruise missiles in the air as well. Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:05 utc | 127 Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 9 2025 1:50 utc | 120 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 2:08 utc | 128 TNW: ‘Stop World War III Now!’ Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 2:14 utc | 129 really matters regarding the 21st Century proxy war in Ukraine between the U.S.-led NATO states and Russia. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 9 2025 2:15 utc | 130 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 2:08 utc | 127 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:21 utc | 131 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:05 utc | 126 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 2:25 utc | 132 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:21 utc | 130 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 2:38 utc | 133 Sorry Merv@118, I thought I was using paragraphs and writing concisely to the standard that I’m used to, 300-400 words. As I got responses from the people that I was in conversation with, while you or others were not really intended recipients, your threat of me being ignored over formatting is hollow, but I’ll keep your critique in mind and try my best. Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2025 2:41 utc | 134 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 2:25 utc | 131 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:46 utc | 135 It looks like Putin intends to allow Russia to burn down along with Ukraine. Posted by: IAIB | Jun 9 2025 2:54 utc | 136 Posted by: Jason | Jun 9 2025 2:33 utc | 132 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:55 utc | 137 Posted by: IAIB | Jun 9 2025 2:54 utc | 136 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:57 utc | 138 Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 9 2025 2:41 utc | 134 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 3:13 utc | 139 English Outsider 3 Posted by: fanto | Jun 9 2025 3:14 utc | 140 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 2:46 utc | 135 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 3:23 utc | 141 At this point this war is boring Putin are only making Russia look weak, allowing Ukraine toy with his country Posted by: Beta Josh | Jun 9 2025 3:36 utc | 142 @ skiffer – i certainly appreciate your posts and always have here at moa… cheers.. Posted by: james | Jun 9 2025 3:44 utc | 143 Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3 Posted by: juliania | Jun 9 2025 4:14 utc | 145 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 3:23 utc | 141 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 4:18 utc | 146 …March 2014 and the referendum, but they suffered plenty of familial strife for years after, even to the point of divorce, because their fellow Ukrainian civvies—family members—were on board w/ the Poroshenko govt. This was the essence of a civil war. Posted by: magarac | Jun 9 2025 4:23 utc | 147 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:26 utc | 57 Posted by: juliania | Jun 9 2025 4:30 utc | 148
And that right there is exactly the same logic that Israel is applying to their own near neighbours. Posted by: Tel | Jun 9 2025 4:42 utc | 149 Meanwhile 🇺🇦 is taking out 🇷🇺 industrial infrastructure bit by bit…. Posted by: Yalovenko | Jun 9 2025 4:53 utc | 150 Posted by: magarac | Jun 9 2025 4:23 utc | 147 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 5:01 utc | 151 Posted by: Yalovenko | Jun 9 2025 4:53 utc | 150 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 5:04 utc | 152 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 22:25 utc | 82 Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 9 2025 5:13 utc | 153 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 4:18 utc | 146 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 5:21 utc | 154 Prediction: Andrei Belousov will become the next president of the Russian Federation. This article in RT makes it evident why that is likely. Posted by: norecovery | Jun 9 2025 5:48 utc | 155
Sounds a bit like it could be a food allergy … you can have mild inflammation, especially in the gut, for decades and the symptoms are much like you described … never quite optimal digestion, tiredness, elevated immune response markers, electrolyte imbalance. There’s a cascade of effects … it can build up into a “leaky gut” which in turn triggers more inflammation, sometimes joint pain, similar to arthritis. Posted by: Tel | Jun 9 2025 6:13 utc | 156 Dubno Airbase in Rivne oblast was hit by 5 Kinzhals, 3 Kaliber missiles and a dozen Geran drones. Whatever the Russians wanted to hit there no longer exists. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 6:20 utc | 157 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 5:21 utc | 155 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 6:27 utc | 158
One of the US Patriot PAC-3 was also taken out in Kiev on the night of June 6th. Four launched interceptors missed the target after Iskander flew into the installation. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 6:27 utc | 159 @ unimperator | Jun 9 2025 6:27 utc | 160 and 158 with reports about the Russian CTO escalation….thanks. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 9 2025 6:36 utc | 160 Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 6:27 utc | 160 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 6:44 utc | 161 Somebody seems eager to report that what happens to them, can happen to others too, or at least to get people thinking about how these accidents happen: Posted by: Rubiconned | Jun 9 2025 7:23 utc | 162 Posted by: norecovery | Jun 9 2025 5:48 utc | 156 Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 7:42 utc | 163
That the false history gets absorbed without scrutiny or examination means that the penetration of this propaganda is very shallow, very superficial, easy to transform into the opposite. Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 9 2025 7:51 utc | 164 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 8 2025 17:12 utc | 36 Posted by: Gene Poole | Jun 9 2025 7:53 utc | 165 5 Kinzhal hypersonic ballistic missiles, 3 Kh-101 cruise missiles and over a dozen Geran-2 drones Posted by: Mi6 | Jun 9 2025 7:58 utc | 166 …I should add that what’s astounding is not how all-encompassing the conditioning was, but how successfully it has been resurrected and how little resistance we have to it today. Posted by: Gene Poole | Jun 9 2025 8:02 utc | 167 Ukraine compensation for military deaths – something doesn’t seem to add up: Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 8:09 utc | 168 “The main question that I think many have is: why are these degradations of UKR offensive capabilities being done in response to anything? Couldn’t, shouldn’t, they have been done ages ago, just as the normal progression of war (see von Clausewitz, you win a war by preventing your opponent from continuing it out, I guess cease and desist in modern terms)?” Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 8:12 utc | 169 “I was surprised to learn that Ukraine pays around $0.5M to the families of killed soldiers (in contrast, US pays $100k) and also hundreds of thousands for serious disability. Even if many are just considered missing, there are images of expanding cemeteries that suggest acknowledged causalities in the range of 100k or more. That would add up to more than $50B, but the whole Ukraine budget is in the range of $100B and foreign aid is also in that range. It doesn’t seem likely they would pay more than 10-20% of their budget as compensation, so I am not sure how these numbers make sense.” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 8:19 utc | 170 Tel | Jun 9 2025 6:13 utc | 157 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 8:27 utc | 171 Question . Posted by: Barsnack | Jun 9 2025 8:37 utc | 172 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 8:09 utc | 169 Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 8:52 utc | 173 steel_porcupine | Jun 9 2025 1:28 utc | 120 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 8:54 utc | 174 More on Dubno airfield.
https://x.com/distant_earth83/status/1931994765073023341 Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 8:57 utc | 175 @George | Jun 9 2025 6:44 utc | 162
The name “Golden Dome” gives it away. Its only design feature is provide the MIC with a golden dome, i.e. a dome that is showering gold onto them and which is pushed higher as needed by them. Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 9 2025 9:00 utc | 176 statesponsors of terrorism (uk/eu)-backed kiev nazi regime fired a himars at a civilian house in kursk, one dead 6 injured. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 9 2025 9:15 utc | 177 Welcome back Peter. Quite a resurrection. Glad that your health has improved to the extent that you can post here. Your contributions have been sorely missed. There’s something about Australian women, a very special and distinct breed. Cheers Posted by: ZimZum | Jun 9 2025 9:15 utc | 178 @Gene Poole | Jun 9 2025 8:02 utc | 168
It is not astounding when everybody overnight were made to carry their own Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 9 2025 9:15 utc | 179 @Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 8:12 utc | 170
Indeed, I agree. This is in my opinion an excellent short summary of the goals of the SMO. Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 9 2025 9:19 utc | 180 The European role in the Ukraine conflict is so irrational and defies every trace of common sense, or even survival instinct that it keeps me at a loss of words. Thus, every explanation someone comes up with should be appreciated and carefully scrutinized. Look at this transcript of Marc Sloboda as a guest in today’s Cross Talk:
Posted by: grunzt | Jun 9 2025 9:23 utc | 181 I haven’t read through all the comments but some observations/thoughts on what is occurring now. After the vaunted but failed southern offensive in 2023 when American investors did not get returns on their investment, the majority of the corporate America power structure swung to the nationalists who saw China as the main threat and wanted to concentrate all resources on bring China down.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 9:42 utc | 182
That’s exactly why the situation is so dangerous. Any idea of peace with Russia or Ukrainian surrender is not possible to grasp in the European mind. Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 9 2025 9:45 utc | 183 Sorry forgot to mention this was a commentary to grunzt | Jun 9 2025 9:23 utc | 182 Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 9 2025 9:47 utc | 184 Posted by: Avtonom | Jun 9 2025 9:45 utc | 184 Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 9 2025 9:49 utc | 185 “but now with germany beeing an occupied country, the mask of the british has slipped, and revealed that they are the true nazis.” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 9 2025 9:55 utc | 186 CrossTalk Bullhorns: ‘Operation Spider Web’ Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 10:19 utc | 187 “The name “Golden Dome” gives it away. Its only design feature is provide the MIC with a golden dome, i.e. a dome that is showering gold onto them and which is pushed higher as needed by them.” Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 10:19 utc | 188 .. and the others as “untermenschen” Dubno airfield:
@CyberSpecNews Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 10:28 utc | 190 I think European Nato is running out of air launched missiles very soon. They don’t have much production for SCALP or Taurus missiles, remnants from the Cold War stockpile. Posted by: unimperator | Jun 9 2025 10:33 utc | 191 Trump’s Golden Dome Turbo Charges The War Machine – And Carney Wants Us To Pay For It Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 9 2025 10:39 utc | 192 Rutte is visiting Starmer to day to convince UK to pay another 30b a year to latest NATO funding standards “requests” Posted by: Jo | Jun 9 2025 10:42 utc | 193 “death camps for the inferior and faulty human beings.” Posted by: George | Jun 9 2025 10:45 utc | 194 Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 9 2025 8:12 utc | 170 Posted by: Mustee | Jun 9 2025 10:58 utc | 195 Beatrice…Ukraine pays…..but any proof it actually does IE families get money into bank accounts….or deductions(eg burial/recovery costs, claims on lost or damaged military supplied equipment) made on the way…can any official government dept actually prove the accounts to be and my as we know Ukraine is rather clever with balance sheets.but people actually recieving Dosh, when more likely they owe money for huge costs of living …. Posted by: Jo | Jun 9 2025 11:02 utc | 196 Beatrice…Ukraine pays…..but any proof it actually does IE families get money into bank accounts….or deductions(eg burial/recovery costs, claims on lost or damaged military supplied equipment) made on the way…can any official government dept actually prove the accounts to be and my as we know Ukraine is rather clever with balance sheets.but people actually recieving Dosh, when more likely they owe money for huge costs of living …. Posted by: Jo | Jun 9 2025 11:03 utc | 197 speaking of civilian deaths, spanish newspaper el-pais:
source: el pais behind paywall. Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 9 2025 11:05 utc | 198 @ PeterAU1 Oui | Jun 9 2025 11:10 utc | 202 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 9 2025 11:31 utc | 200 |
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