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June 8, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-126
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Medvedev:
They were all warned—the green lice and their patrons.
Those who refuse to acknowledge the realities of war at the negotiating table will face new realities on the battleground.
Our Armed Forces have launched an offensive in the Dnepropetrovsk region.
The shagreen skin of the Banderite state continues to shrink.
The great delousing continues.
https://t.me/medvedev_telegramE/78
Somehow, I suspect that the Kiev leadership can expect a shorter than usual summer.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 8 2025 13:46 utc | 1
Britain sets the war narrative in proxy war against Russia … Western media follow obediently.
Behind the front, Russian drone pilots hunt their prey: civilians (medics) in Kherson | De Volkskrant |
https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/v/2025/oekraine-cherson-drones-oorlog~v1447008/
If too long, please delete. Shan’t mind – just a summary of what I’ve been repeating seemingly ad infinitum over the last three years.
Continuing a comment submitted to the previous open thread on the European politicians now seeing a new Cold War as their only way or avoiding the loss of credibility, and therefore of power, resulting from the loss of the Ukrainian war.
Also continuing a discussion on Andrei Martyanov’s site on the fossil fuel sanctions, in particular the resultant loss to Europe of cheap piped gas.
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There is also the loss of the Russian market to consider. This could extend to the loss of other markets if, as seems likely, the split results in two or more disconnected trading blocs.
I recollect writing to Germans on Dr North’s site in 2022 – the site had taken on an international character at that time – that in losing both markets and cheap piped gas Germany was shooting itself in the foot. In fact at that early stage the Germans were still taking cheap piped Russian gas on long term contracts via NS1 so were not in as poor a position as they are now.
This confirmed later by Borrell. He stated, correctly, that the twin pillars upon which the European economy rested were a supply of cheap fossil fuels and access to the world market. Now those were going. Add to that the slow deindustrialisation of Germany we’ve been seeing for decades now: the German economy, and thus the European economy, is scarcely in a healthy state. That economic decline includes us in the UK: some half our trade is done with Europe and we’re also placing at risk the international service sector of our economy.
We are also looking at the possible loss of a more or less captive resource base in Africa. Chirac pointed out some time ago, for example, that Francophone Africa was a vital factor in keeping the French economy solvent. If the new drive to decolonisation in Africa continues then cheap resources from Africa will no longer be at our disposal. One can only welcome on moral grounds the decolonisation of Africa, if it is successful, but one still has to recognise that that process has economic consequences for Europe that we are in no position to cope with.
To add to our woes we in Europe, and particularly in the UK, have an unbalanced economy and are in a parlous state even without the economic damage caused by the Ukrainian war. So long term it is accurate to regard that Ukrainian war as more of a dramatic accelerant of our economic decline rather that its cause.
All this is merely stating the obvious. It does, however, put into context the Ukrainian war. Not so much the military war – we could never have seriously expected to win that side of the conflict – but the sanctions war.
That sanctions war could only have been successful had it resulted in a quick kill. As we are seeing, the European economy was in no state for a long conflict. But a brief period of disruption, that disruption not as serious as it is now because the Germans still expected to have access to cheap piped gas through NS1, could have been weathered.
Statements made at that early time in the war both by Biden and by the Europeans show that that was what was expected. A quick kill of the Russian economy and during that quick kill no more than a minor economic effect on Europe. After that, trade with a more compliant Russia could be expected to resume and on more advantageous terms than previously.
A vicious enterprise, that sanctions war. Had it succeeded we would have thrown the Russians back to the ’90’s or even worse. A foolish gamble also – the blowback from a failed sanctions war inevitably serious.
The gamble failed. It was apparent it had failed quite soon in 2022 and all we have seen since is the politicians in Europe and America attempting one Hail Mary after another attempting to remedy or mitigate the failure. And falling out amongst themselves as they do so.
We are also experiencing another type of blowback. We only need survey the propaganda campaign, both from our politicians and our press, to recognise that we have experienced the most intense “information war” ever seen. The intensity was far in excess of, say, the information war that accompanied the Iraq war or the Libyan or Syrian enterprises.
That information war failed of success outside the West. It did not fail inside. As a result of the propaganda we have been subjected to we now most of us believe that Russia is, as stated before, a sinister and permanent enemy. I think it likely, therefore, that our politicians will indeed succeed in shepherding us into the new Cold War. It will not be a Cold War that will be beneficial to us. But we most of us shall engage in it willingly. That will be blowback from the information war indeed. Our most effective arm of war – the West is weak militarily and economically but a giant in propaganda – will be the instrument of our own defeat.
Towards the end of the Ukrainian war, when we were still pumping money and arms into the enterprise, Boris Johnson told us through the English popular press that the stakes were very high. Western hegemony itself, he stated, was at risk. The urgency of that message was reinforced in the States and also in Continental Europe.
So it was. Western Hegemony, five centuries of it, was at risk. It is now lost. I cannot regret that loss. It was an unnatural hegemony and the means we employed to maintain it morally repugnant. It’s possible, though only possible, that the Americans are now accepting and working with the new reality. We in Europe are not. Unless we do, we continue our precipitous decline. We shall become an embittered and inconsequential enclave in a world that has moved on. That is what is now at stake, as our politicians seek to shepherd us into the new Cold War they know is their only chance of retaining power.
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
Western media follow obediently.
Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2025 13:50 utc | 2
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Bloomberg’s “Weekend Interview”:
Ukraine’s Finance Minister: ‘War Is Like a Black Box’
Three years into Russia’s invasion, Sergii Marchenko is courting donors and reassuring investors to ensure his country can continue fighting.
By Mishal Husain
June 6, 2025 at 4:00 AM EDTMishal Husain is Editor at Large for Bloomberg Weekend. She joined Bloomberg from the BBC, where she presented its leading news program Today on BBC Radio 4 for over a decade.
I won’t post a link to the article as I usually do.
Just a note that Bloomberg is increasingly following a “British” line. In addition to their overt Zionism.
Posted by: too scents | Jun 8 2025 13:59 utc | 4
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
Excellent text! Very much thank you!
Posted by: Elber | Jun 8 2025 14:08 utc | 5
Making decisions based on lies and make believe has me questioning how long the west or anyone else who does the same thing survives?
Everyone has an equal opportunity to grow up yet so many fail.
I feel we are entering a period of consequences.
Posted by: PNW | Jun 8 2025 14:08 utc | 6
Posted by: too scents | Jun 8 2025 13:59 utc | 4
At this point, the black box is already
encoded; now it is a coffin, for those who ignore the defeat!
Posted by: Elber | Jun 8 2025 14:13 utc | 7
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
I think it likely, therefore, that our politicians will indeed succeed in shepherding us into the new Cold War. It will not be a Cold War that will be beneficial to us.
I agree with everything you write but I am afraid you are too timid here. After the desired option (sanctions quickly bring back Moscow in line) failed, preparations for Cold War 2 set in, just as you describe.
EUropean decisions (not just words!) from the last year tell me that an actual war may be in order. Yes, even a war of combined EUrope, with tacit USA support, against Russia is unwinnable. That’s okay. The point is that Western/finance capitalism is in need of an extreme disruption: “century crises” repeat, we’ve been through various extremist financial methods and wealth distribution is more lop-sided than before WW1. There won’t be a revolution in the West, so war it is. This is my interpretation of Western/EU policies since 2023. One can argue that the Covid measures were an attempt of extreme disruption, and while the disruption was major, it wasn’t enough.
One can wonder about who’s supposedly going to fight in that war on the EUropean side? But as you say, the information war was won squarely inside the West, and it just takes a few years to prepare the bodies and the brains. These are IMO the five or so years now thrown about all the time in Western media (of course, as the date when “Putin will attack our liberal democracies”).
Thanks for your posting!
Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 14:17 utc | 8
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/1929986289996312916
Pepe Escobar @RealPepeEscobar
MEDVEDEV REALLY UNPLUGGED
“Everything that needs to be blown up will be blown up, and those who must be eliminated will be.”
The Bear has done talkin’.
Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 8 2025 14:30 utc | 9
Catching some opera during the Stars of the White Nights festival in Saint Petersburg, I lucked into the Scarlet Sails festival, too, which commemorates the end of the school year each June. High school seniors are the guests of honor, and the whole city turns out for a day-long celebration.
The Mariinsky’s orchestra sets up in the cobbled promenade between the Hermitage and the Neva River to play its Scarlet Sails program, including Reinhold Gliere’s “Hymn to the Great City,” an anthem for Saint Petersburg.
Spacious Palace Square, in which stands the Alexander Column, becomes the venue for free concerts and nonstop entertainment—-the Blue Man Group, Cirque du Soleil, a raft of comedians and live bands.
All this culminates at 2 a.m. in a crescendo of symphonic music, fireworks and the Waltz of the Tugboats when a dark-masted frigate rigged in scarlet sails drifts along the Neva past the palace embankment. Backlit by jets of silver sparks shooting up from river barges loaded with fireworks, its sails glow like stained glass.
Based on fairy tale whimsy, the Scarlet Sails festival is a fanciful salute to the hard work the graduating high school seniors had invested in their studies. Its message, the same each year, encourages their dreams after matriculating: Russia—-Land of Opportunity.
The June of my White Nights/Scarlet Sails, I watched yachts angle across the Neva, plowing through the surf kicked up by passing hydrofoils. Looking on, I thought about the word “Russia.” I thought about the word “Opportunity.” I thought about how rarely Americans will see them together in a sentence.
Time has stood still for us in the States, the hands of the clock unable to advance beyond a sneering Hammer & Sickle-based concept of a repressive Russia. We don’t hear stories about events like the Scarlet Sails—-or everyday doings that normalize Russia, or make it seem routine and dear.
The kind of Russia where Scarlet Sails are enshrined is a Russia people in the U.S. are kept from seeing.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 14:36 utc | 10
Ukraine and World Affairs: Weekly Update, 6th June 2025: May be useful to some: https://robcampbell.substack.com/p/ukraine-and-world-affairs-weekly-4f1
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 8 2025 14:43 utc | 11
“we now most of us believe that Russia is, as stated before, a sinister and permanent enemy.
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Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc |
That statement is utter nonsense. There are 3 groups, (1) the Fascists and their tiny brownshirt followers, (2) the tired and weary who know that Western Governments LIE without restraint, e.g. Iraq WMD, etc, then (3) the third group who, if not the larger portion, they are the growing portion of Western populations who see Russia as a potential partner, even an eventual friend. They know that Western Governments and their Dark Room handlers are the real enemy.
Pity the majority of the Ukrainian people who were Lied into a War with Russia. Z-boy got into the Big Chair by running on a platform of Peace with Russia. Then, the Dirtbag Grubworms of Western (lack of) Intelligence, introduced their real agenda.
Trumps continuation of endless Deficits of $2 TRILLION per year for another 4 years guarantees the continuing and acceleration of American/Western decline. The US and the West does not have an extra $2 Trillion in Savings to borrow, so the money for Government has to crowd out the Private Sector or the Money needs to be printed/conjured, and more dollars to increase prices, yet producing nothing more for the economy, save feeding bloated Government/Military Private Profit Centers.
And never forget, ” ’twas only a soiled tissue and the tiniest of teaspoons.” They’re pissing down your throat and telling you it’s lemonade.
Posted by: kupkee | Jun 8 2025 14:43 utc | 12
In response to English Outsider@3,
The point that I wanted to emphasize may seem hopelessly optimistic now, after Konami’s take, but I just wanted to stress that, just like the information war, the cold war will be a unilateral enterprise. Russian, as well as alternative media characterized as being pro-Russian, has in most respects only sought to clear the haze, present a rational, reasonable and fact-based view of events, rather than actively vilifying their adversaries. The cold war, if it manages to stay cold, will no doubt follow the same pattern, with the Russians only responding to actions taken by the West out of practical necessity, with a view to a future where this conflict must inevitably end and normalization of relations can begin, just as reality inevitably will catch up to an artificially inflated information sphere. Their allies and friends, although fully behind them, will remain even more pragmatic. This doesn’t exclude an actual war or some other extreme disruption, as Konami has suggested, as some form of reset point, but only if initiated by Western elites themselves. As such, until and unless an obvious point of no return is passed, no matter how bad things get, there will be an ever-present off-ramp, up for grabs to political forces who want to guarantee a solid power base for themselves, by detaching at least their states from the sinking ship and boarding the life-rafts. I believe we’re seeing that process in action already, and expect it to accelerate, but I have no idea how comprehensive it will ultimately be and if it will be sufficient to avoid complete disaster.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 14:47 utc | 13
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 14:36 utc | 10
RE: a Russia we are not permitted to see
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There's a story Russia tells about itself, which we in the West are not allowed to hear.
The Regime Media refuses to report on Ukraine's failing to show up to receive the bodies of the fallen, for instance.
Not being permitted to know of such a skeevy event disallows a complete comprehension of Kiev's decision-makers.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 14:48 utc | 14
Somehow, I suspect that the Kiev leadership can expect a shorter than usual summer.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 8 2025 13:46 utc | 1
A source close to Alexander Mercouris claims that permission may soon be given for Putin to take out top people in Ukraine’s administration as he discusses at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/H4_THHgVkSw?t=3734
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 8 2025 14:53 utc | 15
@ English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
an excellent post! b is going to have to highlight your post.. it can’t be missed for all it says so clearly.. thanks!
Posted by: james | Jun 8 2025 14:55 utc | 16
The Busker: because you seem to linger a bit longer than just for dropping the link, the me say thank you for the weekly reports once more! I won’t register on substack, so I can only thank you here.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 15:04 utc | 17
Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 14:17 utc | 8
One can wonder about who’s supposedly going to fight in that war on the EUropean side?
100,000s of military age single male migrants floating around Europe right now, especially here in Ireland. Maybe that’s why they were brought into Europe in the first place. They don’t even need to give them a uniform, they all dress the same!! Many in Europe would be glad of a war with Russia if that was the case.
Posted by: Ogre | Jun 8 2025 15:17 utc | 19
🇺🇦🤡🤭The Junkie – declared that he will soon defeat Russia:
Frankly, we have come very close to the point where we can force Russia to stop the war – at least stop it. We are really close. We feel it. Our operation inside their territory – despite their fury, despite the fact that they are losing their temper – is producing results. They understand everything.
well, first of all, congratulations for zelenskiyyjiijyi. he is more delusional then uncle adolf was. but saying that the russians are “losing their temper” is really something special.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 15:18 utc | 20
Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 15:04 utc | 17
Much appreciated Konami. I also have a Telegram Channel which you are welcome to join. The address is advertised on the Substack.
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 8 2025 15:22 utc | 21
Re: Posted by: michaelj72 | Jun 8 2025 14:30 utc | 9
MEDVEDEV REALLY UNPLUGGED
“Everything that needs to be blown up will be blown up, and those who must be eliminated will be.”
The Bear has done talkin’.
Talk is cheap. Medvedev does a lot of talking.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Julian | Jun 8 2025 15:24 utc | 22
Zelensky openly admits on ABC news that Ukraine – with his knowledge and on his order – commits warcrimes by abusing unknowing civilians and their vehicles for attacks. Interesting enough, no one really talks about that, now even the “pro Russian” side.
Even more interesting, when the Washington Posts posts an article about a source telling them that the SBU plans to use cargo ships (again civilians) to also hide drowns to attack the Northern Fleet of Russia. Not only another war crime, especially because they will for sure not tell the ship crew and captain about that, but this would be even more unlikely to be possible without massive western support, since such an action is far more complexe than just ordern a civilian truck and truck driver closer to an airbase and clearly needs massive support by satellites, but they also say with that, that they want to put GIANT BOMBS (becaues you need WAY MORE explosives to damage a war ships than a plane) on random civilian cargo ships.
That’s pretty much international terrorism against the trade routes.
Pretty little reactions to that.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 15:32 utc | 23
Talk is cheap. Medvedev does a lot of talking.
I’ll believe it when I see it.
Posted by: Julian | Jun 8 2025 15:24 utc | 22
Wipe the prop off your aviators and you can see it right now.
Posted by: Kupkee | Jun 8 2025 15:34 utc | 24
Posted by: Ogre | Jun 8 2025 15:17 utc | 19
100,000s of military age single male migrants floating around Europe right now, especially here in Ireland. Maybe that’s why they were brought into Europe in the first place.
I’ve seen this argument and it looks plausible but will the immigrants be willing to go into the trenches? Some will do for the money, mercenary-style, as we’ve seen in Ukraine. But dying for the usual nonsense (nation, glory) — why should they? They came from another place to have a better life, not die in a war they don’t care about.
But you’re right: it’ll be interesting to see how EU governments try to play the immigrant soldier card.
Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 15:41 utc | 25
RE: UNPLUGGED
Medvedev Really Unplugged
That’s the role Putin ordered him to play after his quite stupid failure at the onset of the Libyan NATO intervention, for not to blocking the UNSC resolution R2P and regime change.
Ogre 19
Those male migrants understand war and it’s stupid politics. You will never herd them into war, but you might herd them into bed to replace your youth you herded into buggering eachother or worse unmentionables.
Posted by: Giyane | Jun 8 2025 15:48 utc | 27
In response to Konami@25,
Yeah, I’m skeptical about that take as well. In my experience, immigrants and especially war refugees are the most cynical, mistrustful of official dogma and non-receptive to war-propaganda. They will fight to survive, no doubt, but that also includes fighting against local authorities, whom few have little loyalty for, if the same authorities are seen as a threat. So if the carrot doesn’t work, and the stick is likely to backfire and cause an internal conflict, I’m not sure what a plausible third option would be to “outsource” warfighting to migrant pops.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 15:53 utc | 28
kupkee | Jun 8 2025 14:43 utc | 12
It’s not completely nonsense – a fair chunk of the UK population has forgotten, for example, that Russia is no longer a Communist state – you’ll still get commenters calling pro-Russian posters “comrade”, for example. And ever since 2014 there’s been a sustained MSM effort to vilify Putin as “the man who wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire”.
Every media report in the “free press” of the UK mentions Russia’s “full scale invasion”. Those journalists didn’t decide that usage in isolation.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 8 2025 15:54 utc | 29
I do take Nima of Military Summary with a grain of salt. However his reporting of the UKR not being willing to accept the 6000 dead bodies (in his view, payout of death benefits would destroy the remnants of the UKR economy) is huge. I suspect that RF has done DNA analysis of all for confirmation – vetting. And in his closing he sounded like he was stating that now was the true start of the collapse of the UKR frontline military.
Myself, I really would like good sources of the reputed ramp up of actions against RF shipping in the Baltic. That could get out of hand very easily.
Posted by: paxmark1 | Jun 8 2025 15:56 utc | 30
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 15:53 utc | 27
Yeah except that it has been done before. The Union army was packed with Irish and German migrants who were given the choice of sign up or we deport you and your family. The Brits and French had loads of people in the trenches from Africa and India during WW1 and they did not even offer citizenship. Lot harder to get away from a country that you are not a local than from your home country where your accent does not stick out and you have friends and family to help with the bribes. I am sure they will have some mutiny’s but it’s not like there are not enough psychopaths in the west to have blocking units.
Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 8 2025 16:06 utc | 31
@ paxmark1 | Jun 8 2025 15:56 utc | 29
Nima (Alkhorshid): Dialogue Works
Dima: Military Summary
Please don’t insult Nima.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 8 2025 16:13 utc | 32
🇺🇦 In frontline areas of the Sumy region, local men are refusing evacuation — not out of loyalty, but out of fear. They know that once they leave their homes, Ukraine’s draft offices (TCC) will seize the opportunity to send them to the front.
According to local official Olena Syma, even after visits from the police, so-called “White Angels,” and community officers, the men chose to stay behind. The reason? They don’t want to be forcibly mobilized.
they rather take the chance to die in the crossfire, then risk 100% “western values kidnapping” into the meatgrinder.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 16:26 utc | 33
@Badjoke #30
The Union Army was packed with Irish immigrants …
The American Civil War was a cornerstone event for the Irish in America. Their participation proved their duty to Union and Confederate causes, increased their acceptance in American society, and hastened assimilation.
“Ni neart go cur le cheile–Togetherness is Strength,” is the bond that made the Irish overcome discrimination, adversity and war, and succeed in postwar America.
Irish immigrants replaced some African slaves in the South because negroes had value in the trade.
At the beginning of the 17th Century, in the reign of James I of England, England faced a problem: what to do with the Irish. They had been practicing genocide against the Irish since the reign of Elizabeth, but they couldn’t kill them all. Some had been banished, and some had gone into voluntary exile, but there were still just too many of them. So James I encouraged the sale of the Irish as slaves to the New World colonies, not only America but Barbados, the West Indies, and South America.
[Source: The Irish Slaves: Slavery, Indenture, and Contract Labor Among Irish Immigrants]
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 15:32 utc | 23
RE: Zelensky boasts about dragooning unsuspecting civilians as unwitting instruments of attack
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We have spoken of this in MoA threads, terming this the *weaponization of normality.*
For instance, it's normal to pass a semi-truck pulled over on the side of an interstate and *not* expect that bomb-laden drones will jitter up out of the container's open roof.
Regime Media won't interrogate such things, the weaponization of normality, just as it mainly ignored the pager attack.
Naturally, the Regime Media is invested in only portraying the neo-Nazis of Kiev as innovative heroes.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 17:04 utc | 35
It amazes me that so few people can separate their hatred of the USSR – which I loathed for many different reasons – from Russia.
Just as I loathe the current crop of fascists masquerading as our elected leaders in the West. But I don’t hate the German or French or British people, and I don’t hate the Russian people. I did hate the Communists. I still remember the explosion of joy when Canada beat the USSR in the 72 hockey series; I stepped out of my high school, and saw cars stopped in the middle of the street, with people getting out and embracing complete strangers in celebration.
But in ’91, I thought that had all changed, and that Russia was now going to be a new partner in the West. Personally, I thought it was important to have another strong partner, to counter what looked like China’s growing strength. But we all saw what happened – the looters took advantage of alky Yeltsin, and Russia collapsed into corruption and anarchy. The West, for all their talk of “building democracy” did nothing but participate in the looting.
That Putin was able to come in, and completely transform Russian society over the last 25 years is an amazing feat. It’s easy enough to take a strong system and run it into the ground, as Trudeau pere et fils did in Canada. But it’s quite another to take a fractured country, and unify it. I’ll be dead before the history books are written, but any future records will certainly recognize his stunning accomplishment.
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 8 2025 17:08 utc | 36
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 8 2025 17:08 utc | 35
Why did you hate the communists?
Because the TV told you to?
The Queen?
Because they gave their plebs a better deal?
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 8 2025 17:12 utc | 37
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 8 2025 14:53 utc | 15
RE: Mercouris claims that permission may soon be given for Putin to take out top people in Ukraine’s administration
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Permission given by whom-?
France began providing security services for Bankhova after Collective Biden clocked out. If the U.S. wants Zelensky gone, shouldn't they manage it-?
Or "give permission" to Ukrainian resistance to do so-?
Why saddle Russia w/ assassinating a head of state-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 17:13 utc | 38
French Open intensity happening right now, just as the caffeine is kicking in.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 17:17 utc | 39
Posted by: Badjoke | Jun 8 2025 16:06 utc | 30
Yes, it has been done before and today the task of rounding them up is quite simple given that they are all holed up in vast migrant centres, contactable by phone and wholly dependant on a weekly handout of a few euros which can be withheld should they refuse to sign up for Ursula. Like I said, a palatable solution for old Europe, war to keep the bank happy and mass murder of the migrants to keep the peasants happy. We’ll have to wait and see.
Posted by: Ogre | Jun 8 2025 17:21 utc | 40
Aren’t Colombians the third most common mercenaries fighting in the Ukraine?
Did they come straight from Colombia? Or were they run through US military bases for training first?
One thing I noticed about the open borders of the Biden regime is that on the Mexican side, the highways were full of humans walking to the US, but as soon as they crossed the border they disappeared.
You never saw columns of people marching up the highways of the US. They had to have gone somewhere.
Since most of them were military aged men, I’m guessing a lot went to military bases. (And yeah, I know about the free hotels, but that doesn’t cover all of the millions who came over the border.)
Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 8 2025 17:36 utc | 41
That Putin was able to come in, and completely transform Russian society over the last 25 years is an amazing feat. It’s easy enough to take a strong system and run it into the ground, as Trudeau pere et fils did in Canada. But it’s quite another to take a fractured country, and unify it. I’ll be dead before the history books are written, but any future records will certainly recognize his stunning accomplishment.
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 8 2025 17:08 utc | 35
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Agree.
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‘From Vladimir Lenin to Vladimir Putin: Russia in Search of its Identity’ is an interesting new book by Vladimir Brovkin.
‘The new ruling class in the 1990s were criminals who obtained property not through hard work but through corrupt deals and privatization schemes.
The result was that the Russian people learned to identify poverty, lawlessness, corruption and the rule of the oligarchs as the rule of the Westernizers’
‘Russia as separate and different from the West, as a civilization that sought its roots in the merger of Turkic and Slavic core. For Dugin (which is very appealing to Putin) Russia blended Orthodoxy and Islam.’
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I see the US as similar to Russia in the 90s. It needs to bring its corrupt elites under control and focus on problems such as homelessness.
Posted by: financial matters | May 25 2025 12:52 utc | 152
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Karlof has an interesting recent Substack:
Russia’s New Reprivatization Law
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I see Putin as a modern day Trotsky. Fighting against the ‘White Guard’ while trying to put industry in the hands of and serving the populace.
Posted by: financial matters | May 16 2025 20:44 utc | 143
Posted by: financial matters | Jun 8 2025 17:38 utc | 42
Permission given by whom-?
France began providing security services for Bankhova after Collective Biden clocked out. If the U.S. wants Zelensky gone, shouldn’t they manage it-?
Or “give permission” to Ukrainian resistance to do so-?
Why saddle Russia w/ assassinating a head of state-?
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 17:13 utc | 37
If you watch the video porcupine – you will find out. Russian law does not allow assassinations. So if the question of assassination arises due to the fact that a terrorist regime continues to carry out terrorist attacks on Russia then the law allows for a Special Committee to be set up to discuss the matter and deliver their recommendations to Putin. I am not passing judgement on this: I’m merely reporting on it.
Posted by: The Busker | Jun 8 2025 17:47 utc | 43
US has given the go-ahead to remove Zelensky from power – former Ukrainian PM Azarov
Zelensky will resign and leave Ukraine, despite EU support, he believes
‘Head of Verkhovna Rada Stefanchuk will act as president, and shape a new political landscape’
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 8 2025 17:55 utc | 44
Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 8 2025 17:12 utc | 36
> Why did you hate the communists?
> Because the TV told you to? The Queen?
His grandpa.
Posted by: hopehely | Jun 8 2025 17:57 utc | 45
Tell-And-Consequences Is Not A War Game, Neither Is Turn The Other Cheek
https://johnhelmer.net/tell-and-consequences-is-not-a-war-game-neither-is-turn-the-other-cheek/
“…In the game which Trump and President Vladimir Putin are playing over negotiations to end the war in the Ukraine, the sequence and accumulation of words have begun to lose their meaning. This isn’t funny.
Putin has continued to say that Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt for the continuing negotiations in Istanbul, plus more time to demonstrate if he will stop supplying the Kiev regime with new Patriot missile batteries and other air defence weapons.
They were the priority of the mission to Washington last week (June 3-5) by Andrei Yermak and other Ukrainian officials. They were also asking for Trump’s agreement to start the Lindsey Graham sanctions against Moscow, Delhi and Beijing; and Trump’s agreement to meet Zelensky at the G7 summit in Canada on June 15-17.
Semi-official Russian reports in Moscow claim Yermak didn’t get what he were asking for.
In Moscow, sources say they had expected Putin’s turn-the-other-cheek tactic to allow Trump time to demonstrate the gains which the Kremlin believes can still be achieved with Trump – ‘several weeks, not months.’
‘Trump is distracted now, yes. It’s unclear from his changing remarks whether he did or did not condemn the Ukrainian airbase raid and the Russian retaliation. Let’s see what happens now that Ukrainians are walking away from the agreement on the dead and POWs. Let’s wait for the next few days.”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 8 2025 18:15 utc | 46
@ FrankDrakman, §35:
Well said.
Putin deserves his place in the history books.
He has looked after Mother Russia and seen her back to health – against all the odds.
Posted by: John Marks | Jun 8 2025 18:24 utc | 47
@ JohnGilberts | Jun 8 2025 18:15 utc | 45
thanks john… i don’t always catch when he updates his site..
Posted by: james | Jun 8 2025 18:24 utc | 48
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
I divide human civilisation roughly into two groups, productive cultures and predatory cultures. The former can justify their existence by themselves, the latter cannot.
Nevertheless, evolution, which also includes human behaviour, has ensured that the predators have gradually subjugated the productive. For the independent, the ability to use violence is wasted energy that is better used to create their own comforts instead of robbing.
Of course, robbery systems also compete, enter into alliances and break them. From the Romans to today, but you were talking about the last 500 years. They were dominated by GB, JP, CHN, RU, DE, SP, FR, USA it, be, nl …
Today we see the remnants. Thanks to the October Revolution, the RF has created different social perspectives and does not need expansion to finance the ever-increasing costs of the state. The situation is different in the NATO countries. It is a conceptual problem for the states. And everyone still has access to the world market, including to raw materials. Germany pays world market prices. What is the problem for the British? Should some foreigners pay for the whole aristocracy circus?
Any Briton with an income from a real productive activity and a balanced budget will understand what I mean.
The American way of life was founded by European adventurers on the graves of the Indians and is a dead end.
If you cannot become productive on your own, your existence ends either in a failed robbery or after the last possible one.
Posted by: BlindSpot | Jun 8 2025 18:36 utc | 49
Reuters: In the coming days, Putin will hit the decision-making centers and the SBU
Russia’s missile strike on Lviv. Illustration: 24newnews.ru
Russian President Vladimir Putin’s threats of retaliatory measures against Ukraine in connection with the attack of Ukrainian drones last weekend have not yet been fully implemented. Most likely, a significant multilateral strike should be expected, write correspondents of the British Reuters Phil Stewart and Idris Ali.
Soirce:
https://eadaily.com/en/news/
Posted by: Elber | Jun 8 2025 19:01 utc | 50
Seems something is on the move. Multiple social media sources talk about a heavy drone and missile strike coming in and warnings are giving out, talking about that it will be a ‘larger strike than normal’.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 19:18 utc | 51
It’s possible, though only possible, that the Americans are now accepting and working with the new reality
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
A good post overall.
The Americans. They have divided into two factions, the globalists or loyalists that are UK European centric and the nationalists.
The nationalists in some ways recognize the new reality but are also fighting to maintain a certain degree of US power in the world. Gone is the full spectrum dominance doctrine but they are looking at what strategic parts of the world they caqn hold. China becoming the world economic and manufacturing center is a threat to them. Russia is not a threat to American financial hegemony.
China is the largest importer of oil and energy. The worlds economies run on energy so the Persian Gulf area is a strategic point to hold.
The nationalists are other than than focussed on their backyard – south America – ensuring full control of that, and the Asia pacific region facing China. Somewhere on utube can be found the vintage film of MacArthur pointing out the need to hold Taiwan as the main link in the first island chain back in the very early fifties.
Taiwan is now well groomed to be the Next Ukraine.
But Ukraine – more hundreds of thousands will now be slaughtered as british cannon fodder. Brit European moves to “Trump proof” the war against Russia now looks to have succeeded. The west is now so far behind Russia militarily that their proxies stand no chance.
The desperation of the British and European elite is rooted in their historical belief in anglo European (Kissinger Westphalia) culture over all other cultures and peoples.
Both the catholics and protestants of the west are part of What the treaties of Westphalia termed “The Holy Roman Empire”. We have a Greeco Roman culture that runs through the Church of Rome. Ukraine is the border of the Holy Roman Empire. It is the place where the Church of Rome in the west meets the Church of constantinople in the east. That comes through in the orthodox church burnings in Ukraine. It can also be seen in the levant where most of the ancient christian churches have been destroyed in the last decade. For the current elite, I think that is more an aspect of their inherited hatreds than actual religion, but many of these hatreds do I think, back in time begin with the difference between religions. That though is just one background aspect.
Prime aspect though is the belief of the culture of the Holy Roman Empire (the ‘west’ in todays terminology) supremacy over all other cultures.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 19:26 utc | 52
Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 19:26 utc | 51
Is that THE Peter AU1 ?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 8 2025 19:46 utc | 53
very much doubt it.. peter never posted long posts like this…
Posted by: james | Jun 8 2025 19:53 utc | 54
Prime aspect though is the belief of the culture of the Holy Roman Empire (the ‘west’ in todays terminology) supremacy over all other cultures.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 19:26 utc | 51
Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 19:26 utc | 51
Is that THE Peter AU1 ?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 8 2025 19:46 utc | 52
If Pete, please post link to your work o ukraine bio-labs
If troll stealing a respected handle… GO GET PETERED!
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 8 2025 19:55 utc | 55
It’s possible, though only possible, that the Americans are now accepting and working with the new reality
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc | 3
I think Trumps is about to be faced with a choice that will show his true allegiances: are they MEGA or international?
If Trump backs out of supporting Ukraine, Gaza and stands down and negotiates with all opposition, then his allegiances are likely MAGA if he engages the USA in or uses the USA to support wars anywhere then he is part of the International King of the Mountain Ideology and MEGA never was on the table. Americans want no part of a war with anyone but they have encountered great difficulty in picking politicians that will reflect that desire.
I predict Wall Street likely will be forced to reflect the adjustment in world affairs the USA is being forced to adopt to.. we will soon see, I think?
If only patent and copyright laws were negated wall street’s monopoly on international finance would fail and Americans would get their liberties back. It is essential to domesticate Wall Street if America is going to once again adopt capitalism, force its politicians to adhere to the constitution and re industrialize.
Things are changing everywhere, seemingly very fast.
Posted by: snake | Jun 8 2025 20:04 utc | 56
In response to
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Prime aspect though is the belief of the culture of the Holy Roman Empire (the ‘west’ in todays terminology) supremacy over all other cultures.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 19:26 utc | 51
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I agree.
It is a culture that is mythologized by Hollywood into something positive when, in fact, the opposite is the case.
I can only conjecture that your loyalist term is analogous to my private finance centered folk.
Are we about to try and put a fat man through the eye of a needle?
Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 8 2025 20:05 utc | 57
YetAnotherAnon | Jun 8 2025 19:46 utc | 52
Yeah. But that is something you will have to make your own judgement on. Somewhat difficult to show phot ID here.
I was quite ill for a time, could no longer eat and could no longer clear my digestive system. My sister flew over, and me being a sucker for punishment, decided to try and keep going. Didn’t eat for a few weeks until the gut finally cleared itself then starten on a protein based nutrient.
In animal husbandry/livestock, during a drought when available feed quality is very poor, balanced supplements containing all essential minerals and some vitamins are easily bought. For the gardner of farmer growing crops, complete fertilizers are easily bought.
There is no such thing for humans. I was able to purchase all essential minerals in powder form and mixed them in a balanced ratio according to recommended minimum intake and these I put in the protein nutrient. The balanced electrolytes I kept separate and used them as seasoning -table salt. The only electrolytes that can be bought it seems are for losses to sweat, yet the digestive electrolytes and losses are a quite different ratio to sweating.
I still need to try and obtain a balanced vitamin mix but have have that made up by a compounding pharmacist. But with the combination of the electrolytes and several vitamins B, K, D have regained digestive function after eighteen years.
Although I had picked up on magnesium early on, phosphorus turned out to be the main mineral/electrolyte I was deficient on.
75% of the bodies immune system is in the large intestine. Nearly any auto immune disease regardless of othe symptoms will strike the large intestine. The last half of the large intestine mainly re-absorbs digestive electrolytes. If that is not functioning correctly there is a large loss of electrolytes.
It also causes what doctors use to throw those they cannot diagnose into the medical trash basket. Chronic fatigue. All illness causes fatigue and chronic illness causes chronic fatigue.
But auto immune disease strikes the large intestine and if that is not functioning correctly, then debilitating fatigue occurs. Due both to immune activity and various deficiencies. In nealy every blood test I have had in my life, my immune readings have been elevated. Every one of those fuckers told me I was just getting over the flu. So much for higher education. Scumbags.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:26 utc | 58
@51
I do not redognize you.
Too many words, some unclear syntax.
The desperation of GEUFUK is not racial superiority, they are hugely in debt, lacking in resources to turn around their economy and so their fake fear of Russian victory parades in Paris is to gut Russia to save their lifestyle.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 8 2025 20:30 utc | 59
“we now most of us believe that Russia is, as stated before, a sinister and permanent enemy.
”
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 8 2025 13:53 utc |
boggles my mind that most of you are that stupid, i suppose americans are no better but there is strongish current of disobedience in the US, unfortunately it’s easily misdirected, ie maga
Posted by: paquo | Jun 8 2025 20:35 utc | 60
psychohistorian | Jun 8 2025 20:05 utc | 56
Loyalist comes from Ehret at Strategic culture. I read a few of his articles but a bit too historical and abstract to hold my attention.
After the American revolution, some of the colonial aristocrats remained loyal to Britain. That has carried through for America’s short existence to a degree but is mixed with what I term the globalist – the networked elite throughout what Kissinger termed ‘The Holy Roman Empire’, more commonly referred to now as the west. Though in this globalist faction, the Brits and the City of London – the financial heart of empire are very much atthe top of the pyramid. Very much private finance as has been your belief.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:37 utc | 61
Posted by: FrankDrakman | Jun 8 2025 17:08 utc | 35
Yes, you could hate Russian communists. Reading the stuff than, and listening to TV.
Zbigniew Brzeziński didn’t write his books yet, or Goldwater, or Reinhard Gehlen (“In Service”). You could not possibly attend a lecture given by a scholar from the Irkutsk University about the reasons of the situation in Russia.
One point: Did they (CIA) tried to damage Russia All The Time from Outside? Yes, all the time. Mightly, sanctions, OUN, Gary Powers, all of that. Did Russia did as much to the Capitalist USA?
I myself learned much later about the circumstances. Also from Henry Kissinger. Russia was under siege, and than even cannibalism could happen. Maybe the Napoleon troops were at this too.
Posted by: LogosApplied | Jun 8 2025 20:41 utc | 62
Too many words, some unclear syntax.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 8 2025 20:30 utc | 58
Typical oirish.
Ireland had potato blight at one time. Caused a famine. Now they have brain blight.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:45 utc | 63
🇫🇷French Renault has decided to finally close the door on returning to Russia and plans to produce drones in Ukraine.
there was this announcement last week about a french car company going for drones. cant compete against chinese cars? no worries, produce terrorist drones to kill civilians.
is this going to be the future for european manufacturing? doing everything “for ukraine”?
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 20:55 utc | 64
Ummmmmnn
We have been told Peter has passed.
Please explain
Posted by: Watcher | Jun 8 2025 21:00 utc | 65
boggles my mind that most of you are that stupid,
Posted by: paquo | Jun 8 2025 20:35 utc | 59
I assume that”most of you” is not referring to English insider. In the entirety of the west, the peasants who watch tee vee and get their information from facebook are nothing more than ukroid cannon fodder. Britain and its colonies, the blck sheep of tyhe anglo family or the Europeans. All are fed the same shit and all are Ukroid cannon fodder class.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 21:01 utc | 66
Peter AU1
welcome home! i’ve followed you on smoothie’s & have been waiting for you to show up @ moa.
i’ve 2 long time friends that share a similar experience with digestive disorders. the journey is long, horrendous & essentially solitary. you have been in my thoughts & heart & in such times as these it’s wonder full to hear your voice once again. cheers.
Posted by: emersonreturn | Jun 8 2025 21:10 utc | 67
emersonreturn | Jun 8 2025 21:10 utc | 66
Thanks. Although I do not know your name, your few comments here – the mathematics aspect plus something else I guess – has always caused me to remember that user name. Usernames often have a great deal of meaning for the people that use them. Emerson. Would that be your husband that you and he went to mathematics meetings/conferences in the Soviet Union?
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 21:19 utc | 68
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 20:55 utc | 63
In six months time you will read, ‘Russia have finally decided to ‘close the door’ on the Renault factory producing drones in Ukraine’.
Posted by: Milites | Jun 8 2025 21:23 utc | 69
In line with no longer being able to comment here on the American firefox browser, my google android phone also ceased connecting for voice calls. I tried several. On one, I had to give google access to my photos to use the camera along with othe CIA crap. I binned that one.
Not much fun being crook and living in Orwell’s 1984.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 21:27 utc | 70
re Peter AU1 —
It sounds like Peter to me, and I hope it is.
@ Peter AU1:
have you been in touch with karlof1? That might help clear up matters.
Posted by: malenkov | Jun 8 2025 21:35 utc | 71
While Medvedev is ranting on social media, Ukrainian drones shutdown more Russian airports and blew up another oil refinery.
Posted by: bored | Jun 8 2025 21:44 utc | 72
malenkov | Jun 8 2025 21:35 utc | 70
No. My wife left when I was at my lowest, just a week or two after I canceled my life insurance policy. I was a dumb bastard thinking marriage was a partnership in life. She also took my email, my ebay account under which we ran the shop. Everything had been transferred to here.
With the loss of my emails, I also lost many email addresses. I could go to Karls substack to find his email but mine has changed. I started a Proton email for a bit but can no longer get into it. Will have to try that one again, but at the moment have been using a gmail account where the Americans can keep an eye on me. That seems to continue working.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 21:45 utc | 73
While Medvedev is ranting on social media, Ukrainian drones shutdown more Russian airports and blew up another oil refinery.
Posted by: bored | Jun 8 2025 21:44 utc | 71
Meanwhile, Ukraine airports have been shut for three years, and their energy system is devastated…. Dont forget that Mr Boredom!
Posted by: HERMIUS | Jun 8 2025 21:53 utc | 74
while zelenskijyi is begging on western tv, kiev is again getting some nice fireworks.
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 21:54 utc | 75
Karlofi
You are needed here.
I have assumed Peter died. Many offered commiserations – including me (I think I meant to but may have overlooked it). So either you were given false information or Peter has risen from the grave.
If this is a suspect scam it really takes identity theft to a new level of despicable.
Posted by: watcher | Jun 8 2025 22:01 utc | 76
@67
exactly so. dear Peter AU1, thank you for your incredible treasure trove of archives on the 404 biolabs. i bookmarked what i could when you initially posted them, but i know i didn’t get them all, not even close. i am not a techie, so please, when you are well & strong, or simply in need of diversion, i wonder if it might be conceivable to make your archive easily accessible & secure? possibly impossible in today’s world but perhaps, one of the many talented & proficient regulars on moa may have an avenue, an answer? it’s important & a tribute to why you are so valued & held in such high esteem.
cheers
Posted by: emersonreturn | Jun 8 2025 22:03 utc | 77
In response to Badjoke@30,
Maybe it has something to do with them being Irish/German? No offense. It’s a struggle to me to imagine semi-Westernized middle eastern pops, second or third gen balkan refugees, Somalians & Nigerians, or even German Turks allowing themselves to be conscripted for a march on Russia, or responding meekly to coercion and threats of deportation. Maybe if the West was in a strong position, where the inevitable victory was somehow a tangible presence, instead of the smell of desperation that Europe is saddled with — then sure.
While it’s not entirely appropriate to generalize, the sense I get is that migrant pops are largely disenchanted with Western society, and mistrust its purported values and moral fortitude. If one side of the argument against having an open-door policy is that integration has failed, that Europe is building enclaves of foreign cultures and values within its own borders, parallel societies that risk eroding the core, then the same argument should hold true for trying to form a military force out of this human resource, as it would at best be a dysfunctional force, and at worst a Frankenstein’s monster that would quickly turn against its creator.
But, having said all that, I also expected more resistance from Ukrainian society to the brutal methods employed in forced conscription, if not preemptive then at least via front-line sabotage, well beyond the sporadic incidents that we have now. So, maybe it’s possible, and although I wouldn’t actually approve of such a development, a part of me would like to see them try and hopefully fail. To my mind it’s just such a twisted logic, that having let all these people in out of faux-humanitarian concerns and found them wanting as a work-replacement force, someone’s idea of a “cure” for this self-inflicted injury is to arm them to the teeth and feed them into a meat-grinder fighting for a cause that was lost at inception. Such a plan should be attempted, if it’s being contemplated, and backfire in the most spectacular way, if there is any justice in the world.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 22:11 utc | 78
Away from my legitimacy (my parents were married when I was conceived, not sure about marriage status vs conception of my elder sister though) Some video coming out of Ukraine of Russian strikes.
Some of the videos, it is difficult to tell if a strike has triggered a small fireball or if it is simply the missile warhead. Russian missiles do tend to carry bang for the buck. But two stand out, one in Kiev and one in Ternopil. Massive fireballs from the detonation of stored munitions. The oe in Ternopil, the videos only show it from long distance, the one in Kiev, many videos. It was in a civilian or residential area but even by Ukraine Ghost of Kiev reporting, civilian casualties exceptionally low.
The strikes are the Russian response to the terrorist attacks on the Russian trains. As yet, no response to the attack on Russian strategic nuclear aviation. Perhaps that is still to come, perhaps not.
It has now become clear that leaving the corrupt Kiev clowns intact servs a purpose. The mutual security proposal/ultimatum of late 21 must be kept in mind. The alternative was ‘military technical’ means for Russia to secure its own security.
Russia, in its move into Ukraine, has turned the bear trap that the anglo nato had set in Ukraine, into the Nato trap. Perhaps the American nationalists will extracte themselves sufficiently to die attacking China, perhaps not. But Ukraine, is essentially where the anglo empire has gone to die.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 22:12 utc | 79
to steel porcupine #10. I saw films of that Red Sails – I think on RT. It was gorgeous. Russia values and creates beauty which is civilization. Murika creates death destruction and toxic waste. I also recall that after Russia saved Palmyra (when the amazing Russia hero called an air strike on his own location to save the ancient city) Russia sent the Mariinsky to do a celebration/requiem in the ampitheatre. I don’t recall the soldier’s name, but if there is a heaven, he and Aaron Bushnell are there in brotherhood.
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 8 2025 22:15 utc | 80
From a few days ago:
Last night, in response to the terrorist actions of the Kiev regime, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation carried out a massive strike with long-range air, sea, and ground-based high-precision weapons, as well as with strike UAVs against design bureaus, enterprises producing and repairing weapons and military hardware of Ukraine, attack drone assembly workshops, flight training centres, and AFU weapons and military hardware depots.
The main question that I think many have is: why are these degradations of UKR offensive capabilities being done in response to anything? Couldn’t, shouldn’t, they have been done ages ago, just as the normal progression of war (see von Clausewitz, you win a war by preventing your opponent from continuing it out, I guess cease and desist in modern terms)?
Posted by: Call it what u will | Jun 8 2025 22:17 utc | 81
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 22:11 utc | 77
RE: expected more resistance from Ukrainians
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What part of *martial law* do you not understand-?
Neo-Nazi enforcers of the neo-Nazi regime in Kiev duct-taped people to lamp-posts in order to demonstrate public punishment of Russian-leaning Russian-ethnic citizens in Ukraine.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 22:18 utc | 82
malenkov | Jun 8 2025 21:35 utc | 70
My wife left just a couple of weeks after I ended my life insurance. I found afterwards, she had transferred everything to her name. For online stuff, sms security codes are important. She had transferred all that to her phone number. With that, I lost all online accounts including the email addy in my name I had for over twenty years.
Believing in family, I was played for a sucker after I became ill. Prior to that, I had transferred the house fully into here name so the bank could not sell it to recover any debts that were in my name.
Got played for an idiot when I was very ill.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 22:25 utc | 83
Posted by: Formerly Miss Lacy | Jun 8 2025 22:15 utc | 79
RE: an attempt to erase culture
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We rightly focus on the war itself in this thread, which is appropriate, but long before the hot war commenced the U.S.-led collective West was in fact quite specifically at war w/ Russia, simply in a 'soft power NGO-style level, not w/ exploding ordnance.
Saint Petersburg also has an annual celebration of dachsunds, whose name in Russian is Tacsi, so most of the little pets are dressed up as yellow taxis.
It is an adorable day-long festival that illustrates plenty about the authenticity of joy the imperial city feels toward their companion animals.
It is impressive and fun and full of the kind of good fellow feeling that nobody in the West wants you to know about Russia.
Coincidentally, some of my trips to SPB have intersected w/ these really cool home-grown celebrations, so I can bear witness to how ordinary such calendar events are, weekly practically, but nobody in the West would dare report such things.
It is a sad reinforcement of the propaganda saturation attendant to this fantastic place, this Land of Opportunity, Russia.
If you want to experience it, and I *do* recommend it, you have to go there. It hides nothing from you.
Brother, come to Moscow.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 22:30 utc | 84
There is too much rationalization or intellectual effort to explain current warmongering. Very, very, very few people are that deep as to ‘what happens next?’ So, Estonia, UK and Finland hate, hate, hate Russians. Have they solved their demographic issues? Cured cancer or aging? Support freedom and security for their people, really? People feel hate and find intellectual reasons to justify it. Russia will invade the Baltics? Or the EU? I can’t figure out what UK has to fear. Will Russia steal their herring? (gasp !)
People truly are dumber than you might think. If Americans weren’t, both parties would demand bipartisan elimination of every senile, demented, mentally unbalanced or terminally ill candidate. Not gonna happen.
Posted by: Eighthman | Jun 8 2025 22:33 utc | 85
steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 22:18 utc | 81
They did that, but mostly the ‘gypsies’ or Roma people. The Roma and the Jews were those subhumans slated for extermination in Nazi Europe. But the ethnic Russians living on German Lebensraum were by far the main ethnic group listed for extermination.
The dumb Brits, by using Galician nazism, with german tanks again rolling across Ukraine, the suicidal Kursk adventure and German tanks rolling through Kursk – has very much awakened the bear re the Russian population.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 22:37 utc | 86
In response to steel_porcupine@81,
So imagine if 2/3 of every Ukrainian was duct-taped to a lamp-post at the start of 2022, what that would do for the conflict. Or, suppose internal security and the SBU literally shot people on the streets for a few months, with casualties in the tens of thousands — better than the million+ we’re up to these days. I mean, here’s what I don’t understand about martial law: When it’s being implemented in order to facilitate the corporeal disposal of a segment of the population, why would its implicit death penalty serve as a deterrent to those at risk for trying to resist such a development? We’re either criticizing Ukrainians for being meek and easily led to the slaughter, or praising the SBU for its monumental skill in suppressing a potential uprising. I can just about imagine a kerfuffle erupting in one of the many no-go areas for European police these days, and what taping some ethnic minorities to lamp-posts, shooting to kill amid a declaration of martial law, would do in terms of calming the situation down. In my imagination, such a response would escalate the internal conflict, never pacify it, even if the enclave subsequently ended up looking like Gaza. But, as I said before, perhaps I’m wrong, and these rowdy migrants might instead line up for voluntary termination, much like the Ukrainians have.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 22:40 utc | 87
And, adding to my last post @86, if public displays of cruelty and the echo of martial law is meant to excuse acting like a Sonderkommando, with your own life ultimately forfeit as part of that process, explain DNR & LNR. Explain the soldiers who defect to the Russian side at the first opportunity, play the part until they can steal a tank and make a run for it. They’re the norm — not obedience, nor wilful participation in the process. Ukraine is an aberration.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 22:54 utc | 88
When I first began traveling to Russia in 2012, friends in the States warned me of the dangers: dissidents thrown in jail, journalists poisoned. They mentioned Nemstov. They mentioned Navalny.
“There’s a lot more to Russia than current events,” I always said in response, but few seemed convinced.
My sister got it, though. She traveled to Moscow w/ me during a late-December snowpocalypse, a birthday gift from her husband. We did *winter* things. We ice skated on Patriarchs Ponds. We cross-country skied through the grounds of the Novodevichy Convent.
But in advance of our trip, in the weeks before we actually left the U.S., five different people told my sister on five different occasions that “women disappear in Russia.”
Naturally, we had to address this.
“Wherever there are women,” I said, “women disappear.”
I’m sorry to say that this is actually a global phenomenon, and of course it is not something any of us take lightly. But like I said to sis, “How is it worse that women *disappear* in Russia as opposed to other places?”
She and I had one of those unforgettable familial bonding experiences in Moscow which only siblings can truly share, so thank you, Joe (my brother-in-law.)
Spoiler alert: *she* did not disappear, but she never really returned to the States as the same woman who left.
The experience illustrates how deeply ingrained the propaganda saturation runs against any of us ever feeling comfortable in Russian spaces.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 22:54 utc | 89
Well well, US denying Patriots to Ukraine now so massive defeat is predicted. I guess the US finally realised they are not protected since they have run out of Patriots themselves and Hegseth has spilled the beans about the next war on China. Failed another war in Ukraine, but just so long as there is a new war, that is the most important thing.
Posted by: George | Jun 8 2025 22:57 utc | 90
Beatrice 23 – Remember that after 2014 the SBU was trained on terror tactics and plans by the CIA and MI6….any actions they take are fully the responsibility of the deep state intell outfits……..
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 8 2025 23:04 utc | 91
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 22:40 utc | 86
RE: why do Ukrainians not protest their neo-Nazi government more-?
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You are over-simplifying *from afar*--but I will not hold your tootsies to the fire for this. You are *where* you are, perceiving it as you *perceive* it.
Which is to say: imperfectly.
Ordinary 'safe' Ukrainians no doubt knew about the atrocities carried out against Donbass from 2014 forward, and they stayed on their side of the street, never mounting a protest, for instance.
I'll share that friends I've visited w/ on the peninsula, who voted in favor of the referendum to *return* Crimea to Russia of course knew about these goings-on, backwards & forwards. You have to go there and talk to people @ Ground Zero to comprehend that none of what we're witnessing was or is a mystery to those, like my friends, one-time Ukrainians, born in the Ukraine S.S.R., who voted to return to Russia.
Keep in mind that the U.S.-led NATO was already fortifying the *hard types*, the neo-Nazis, who were enacting those atrocities in Donbass.
What options, really, did Ukrainian citizens have-?
Not only were they dwelling under a dominant neo-Nazi government, empowered from Kiev, but also dealing with the obvious ways that the U.S.-led NATO was conducting a *gain-of-function* on that specific power (with weaponry, training, etc.)
Their country had been *pirated* beneath them.
That still is the case.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 8 2025 23:06 utc | 92
financial matters 43 – are you kidding me, VV is the new White Guard ! He loves the old faith and monarchy too. He has rebuilt 250 RO churches, and helped rebuild the Cathedral of St Sava in Belgrade!
Trotsky was a lunatic……..a Menshevik lunatic…..
Posted by: tobias cole | Jun 8 2025 23:19 utc | 93
In response to steel_porcupine@91,
What you’re telling me comes as no surprise to me, being myself an ethnic Russian with Ukrainian roots, and who has been to and interacted with people from the Donbas. Your argument that “ordinary” Ukrainian citizens had no options then, when the matter concerned the lives of others, and have no options now, when it is their own lives being spent, other than to aim the weapons they are issued in the direction of Russia, would provoke a negative emotional response in Eastern Ukraine. There are always options, some of them suicidal or heroic, but the one that was most readily available, and which tens of millions of Ukrainians have used as their primary mode of resisting a machine larger than themselves, is to just leave the country and refuse to participate. Fair enough that people didn’t see within themselves the strength, or lacked the organization, to uproot the Nazi infestation in Ukrainian security services and its political rehabilitation, but to say that they were forced to dwell under it, and that they now have to kill and die for it, deprives these people of even the most basic autonomy.
Posted by: Skiffer | Jun 8 2025 23:21 utc | 94
Most people especially in modernity are very much sheep. Psychopaths/Serial Killers will candidly admit that their greatest advantage is that their targets never even think that they might be killed until it is too late.
The majority believe it will happen to someone else because of protagonist/main character syndrome, and there is insufficient communal spirit for people to rise up and fight for other people.
Also protests only work if they are government approved protests. That is why ‘Summer of Love’ contrasted with J6 so much (plus our rulers hating and fearing the populace). The governments of the west promote the idea of protest because it’s a controlled outlet for anger, etc. Same with ‘free speech’ and whatever rights people supposedly have.
Posted by: Skarnkai | Jun 8 2025 23:30 utc | 95
If only patent and copyright laws were negated wall street’s monopoly on international finance would fail and Americans would get their liberties back.
Posted by: snake | Jun 8 2025 20:04 utc | 55
Sometimes I wonder if it could be as simple as a silver bullet to liberate us. This could be one. I think destroying the magic money printing machine is another, if there is such a thing.
Posted by: HB Brian | Jun 8 2025 23:34 utc | 96
Peter AU1…Cheers mate, good to have you back again.
Posted by: Honeyeater | Jun 8 2025 23:39 utc | 97
But auto immune disease strikes the large intestine and if that is not functioning correctly, then debilitating fatigue occurs. Due both to immune activity and various deficiencies. In nealy every blood test I have had in my life, my immune readings have been elevated. Every one of those fuckers told me I was just getting over the flu. So much for higher education. Scumbags.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2025 20:26 utc | 57
Will take it as a possible yes and just say welcome back
have you tried pig worms? First time I saw some good results even with crohn’s disease was almost 30 years ago
eggs can be bought they cannot breed in humans (self limitating)
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 8 2025 23:49 utc | 99
Peter:
So sorry to hear your difficulties. Yet, better to know the truth now than later.
You cannot turn the clock back but you can rewind it.
Look after yourself.
K
Posted by: kupkee | Jun 8 2025 23:50 utc | 100