The problem the left has is, that the people demand it to be divine angels from heaven which come from the sky to solve all their problems – or else they will keep voting for the demons who eat their flesh and innards every day.
“Oh, the left dares to condemn war (as they condemn EVERY war) and not talk about Nazis (what would just cancel them instantly in the by Nazis dominated system in Europe), they are the same as the Nazis, then we can just keep voting for the Nazis, what of course doesn’t make us Nazis, we are just victims of this Nazi left, which forces us to do this by not being absolut perfect and invincible saviors who can do everything even with just a few percent of the votes!”
– even though they are against all wars, against all weapon deliveries, against NATO aggression, against all these sanctions which mainly hurt not only the Russian, but especially the European people, against all the neoliberalism which exploits all the people on the whole globe and all these things they are against at together not only being the main reason for our crushing debt in the west, but also the immigration crisis – AND the reason why Russia had to go to war in the first place, what Russia itself REALLY DIDN’T WANT TO DO. Russia DOES hate this war. Right wing extremist super fascistic NATO and its puppet state simply left them no choice.
But as long as NATO and its servant parties are in power, it’s pointless to talk about that in great detail. The few left wing parties in Europe do just that since ages – and guess what: the voter obviously didn’t like it, since the right wing MSM just told him, how evil this is to be against the holy defense alliance NATO, only an evil enemy would think and vote for that.
That’s why the left stopped to constantly talk about it, because it led nowhere and only hurt them.
And guess whose fault that is? The voter’s…
By the way the same with Palesina. Left wing parties in Europe also constantly talk about Israe’s crimes, including all the illegal settlers and how Palestinian’s must get their own state. What did this bring them? The right wing MSM, parties and their voters calling them antisemites. Over and over and over again and since all these votes stayed away from them and instead voted for the these fascistis pro Israel’ crimes (including constant weapon deliveries) parties, this is clearly not just some hear-say or whatever, that’s how the majority of people think.
The majority of people stand behind Israel. Stand behind NATO. Stand behind Nazis. Stay behind warmongering. Stay behind exploitation. Stay behind all the consequences. Because that is what they constantly vote for.
Why? Who the hell knows. Maybe they are all just endlessly stupid and brainwashed. Or they are just evil and really like it. Or… yeah, it’s already hard to find more reasons without just making up hopeful fairy tales.
It’s likely just “Milgram Experiment” all over. The majority of people got slave minds and just follow what you tell them to do, even when it is to torture someone – they can HEAR how he screams out in pain, for help and begs them to stop – to death.
That seems to be the sad truth.
One of the reason the scientist’s made up from the Milgram Experiment, why people do not stop, even though you could see that they realize what they are doing is wrong?
As long as you don’t admit it, you can keep on living in the delusion, that you just did nothing wrong.
“I just followed orders.” or more general “I just did what the media told me to do, what everyone did.”
So maybe it’s not as harsh and brutal as it seems. People are not braindead stupid nor demonic evil: they are just sheeps.
Too bad that this leads to the same outcome, since they follow the demonic evil guys, while baaing against those who warn them from that.
What would Hitler have been without all his sheeps?
Or NATO…

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 2:57 utc | 703

At this point you start to make be believe, that you are an anti-right troll, who just want to make them look like absolute morons.
“The terms “left” and “right” in politics originate from the French Revolution (1789) and from there have become established worldwide as political terms of direction. Origin: French National Assembly (1789)
The constituent National Assembly in France consisted of:
Left: Those who wanted far-reaching social changes – e.g. abolition of the monarchy, equality, democracy.
On the right: those who wanted to preserve the existing order or only reform it cautiously – i.e. supporters of royalty, the nobility and the church.
The seating arrangement determined the terms:
To the left of the presidential desk: radical revolutionaries, republicans, later Jacobins.
To the right of the lectern: royalists, conservatives.”
Everything else is nonsense like for example “the right is for more individual freedom” – what should this even mean? How can you actually have ‘individual freedom’ without equality? Without security given by a state and its laws? Without financial safety?
When right wingers talk about ‘freedom’ they mean THEIR freedom. Not yours. That’s also what thoses “liberals” talk about.
Freedom is one of the most abused words in the world. Freedom from what?
One of the harshest punishment in Europe once has been to be “vogelfrei” (vogel = bird, frei = free, so vogelfrei = free like a bird). It simply meant that the law did no see you as a subject anymore. Anyone could treat you like a bird = just do what they want, even kill you, it didn’t matter.
Freedom is a shared good. You want more of it? You have to steal it from others.
The most invidual freedom? In a dictatorship. No one got more individual freedom than that dictator, since he can also decide over the fate of all the others. Sooo much freedom.
What is more brutal against freedom meanwhile than laws?
Law against theft? I can’t just take what I want?
Law against slavery? What do you mean, I can’t exploit people I put in chains? What? That’s against the law, too?!
Law against hurting or killing other people? Really? I’m not even allowed to do that? Come one!
Laws about property? Wait a second, now you just say that only this little bit of ‘property’ is mine and everything else is not? Are you kidding me!?
My freedom! You took all of it!!
‘Ironically’ the people who love to steal the freedom from others talk the most about it and oh my, do they hate equality just as much…
So better ask yourself this, why all those who love to talk about freedom and sell it as the (equally) best for everyone hate so much to talk about that equality.
The answer to that was already given above. They talk about THEIR freedom – not yours.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 3:57 utc | 705

https://t.me/RVvoenkor/93088
Russia’s strongest multilateral strike on Ukraine is expected in the coming days — Reuters
▪️A full-fledged response from Russia is expected within a few days and is likely to include various types of aircraft, the newspaper notes.
▪️Military expert Michael Kofman suggested that one of the targets could be the SBU building.
“It [the response] will not be symmetrical – the attack will be massive, brutal and continuous,” the newspaper emphasizes.

Posted by: guest | Jun 8 2025 6:12 utc | 707

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 7 2025 20:06 utc | 708
Odd, then, hows he perpetually appeases or effectively collaborates so obligingly with their co-tribalists.

Nothing odd about it, unless you’re a Nazi that rejects Jews altogether.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 8 2025 6:34 utc | 709

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jun 7 2025 21:17 utc | 713
Read #627 Note 1 and Note 1.1 for an explanation.

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 8 2025 6:41 utc | 711

” they cater to a Leftist block of voters.”
That doesn’t make you left. Rightwingers constantly cater to leftists with all kind of lies.
If you are left or right depends solely on what you actually deliver. And the Green deliver hardcore right wing garbage since 1998.
Yes, of course they love to use left wing promises to get votes.
That’s like saying that a shady car salesmans who tries to sell junk is catering to “people who want a wonderful car for a good price”. Well, yes, he does, but that does not make him a salesman of “wonderful cars for a good price”, just a liar. He’s still the shady salesman who is selling junk. All his words or what he calls himself or what others call him does not change that.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 7:06 utc | 713

Human Rights and Labour Rights in the EEC
Great Britain joining the EU was a destructive force in Brussels … destroyed Labour Rights and in essence Social Democracy and the “Left” across Western Europe. The United States divided the EU in “Old” and “New” using EU expansion as a benefit for NATO expansion. Brussels as the fascist Trojan Horse.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2025 7:41 utc | 715

Re: Autonom #743
👍

Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2025 8:39 utc | 717

Rzsezow is crowded this morning
https://www.flightradar24.com/DUKE29/3ab334e1
US Army Cessna UC-35A Citation Ultra, 97-00105, looping round the airfield almost ISR-style
https://www.flightradar24.com/3ab32806
Antonov An-124-100 Ruslan arrived from Oslo, huge cargo plane

Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 8 2025 10:07 utc | 719

statesponsors of terrorism (uk/eu)-backed nazi kiev regime with the slow indoctrination of schoolchildren:

🇺🇦📚The Ukrainian Ministry of Education and Science recommended a new Ukrainian language textbook for 8th graders.
The authors of the textbook are philologist Anastasia Onatiy and military serviceman Taras Tkachuk.
The textbook for the 8th grade begins with the topic “Language – a marker of state border security”. This topic tells about the “Lingvocide” program – an interactive memorial that describes the bans on the Ukrainian language. As part of studying the topic, schoolchildren are asked to answer the questions: what motivates people to switch to the Ukrainian language, how to inspire a teenager to communicate in Ukrainian, and what inspiring stories of switching to the Ukrainian language have appeared after the start of a full-scale war.
Next, they are asked to analyze the text that “Russia created a myth about the infringement of the Russian-speaking population of Ukraine” and supplement it with specific examples. The names “Russian Federation” and “Russia” are written with in lowercase.
Another section provides the opinion of one of the journalists about the real popularizers of the Ukrainian language. In this list, Petro Poroshenko appears in 21st place. As he himself said in an old interview: “Until 1997, I was a Russian speaker.” Then he made the Ukrainian language part of his recognizable corporate image. And in 31st place is none other than Volodymyr Zelensky – “His command of the Ukrainian language has improved significantly since 2019. Many of his supporters look at him and copy his behavior.”

this lingvocide and “bans of the ukrainian language” is quite funny. russia is not banning “ukrainian”, while the statesponsors of terrorism (uk/eu)-backed kiev regime is doing a lingvocide on the russian language in “ukraine”.
western values.

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 10:25 utc | 721

speaking of “european”, heres statesponsor of terrorism uk:

🇬🇧 Sounds familiar: Britain plans to launch drones from civilian vans
The UK Ministry of Defence has launched a competition to urgently develop a new rapid drone launch system, called Project VOLLEY . The stated goal is quite specific: one mobile launcher should be able to launch five drones in less than four minutes. The system should be ready by October 2025.
Basic technical requirements:
▪️Deployment from vehicles such as the Ford Transit or Mercedes Sprinter
▪️Launch of a UAV weighing up to 125 kg at a speed of at least 200 km/h
▪️Minimal setup and manual control, ideally by one person.
▪️Operation in temperature range from -20 to +55°С
▪️Day/night functionality
▪️The weight of the entire system must not exceed 275 kg.
The British stress that the system must be “ reliable , easy to assemble and capable of launching numerous UAVs without frequent replacement of parts”, operating with “ minimal visibility (acoustic, thermal, visual)”.
Notably, the project requirements exclude “ standalone launchers ” and any solutions “ that will not be ready for field testing in October .” That is, everything is aimed at extremely tight production schedules and scalability : each production launcher must be priced at less than £300,000 and “ be capable of being produced at large scale .”
Two majors

Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 10:40 utc | 723

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 8 2025 6:40 utc | 737
If you read the actual summary of the British High Command, in response to the proposal, they didn’t think the Red Army was too strong, in fact the opposite, just strong enough to make the plan’s operational and political goals doubtful, leading to a long-sustained conflict, possibly in Russia, with all the attendant problems that bought.
Operation Pincher, in ‘46, revised the plan, but by then the window of opportunity had been lost but, given that window was theoretical at best, due to numerous factors, it remains an interesting what if. Most simulations would favour the Allies in any CRT, (troops, logistics, combined arms, naval support, nukes) but the real opponent would, as ever, be the time factor.
Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 8 2025 10:16 utc | 747
It’s funny, the Left attack the Conservatives for policies that clearly are not Conservative, whilst the Conservatives attack the Right for advocating Conservative policies, whilst attacking the Left for policies that aren’t Leftist. Guess we’re going to have to revisit the traditional model, as ours seems to be having an identity crisis, any suggestions for naming the new political categories?

Posted by: Milites | Jun 8 2025 11:18 utc | 725

Posted by: Johan Kaspar | Jun 8 2025 10:16 utc | 747
Hillary Clinton cannot be described as “left” by any stretch of the lexicon.

Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jun 8 2025 11:25 utc | 727

@Milites #752
.. an identity crisis ..
Always depends on culture, country and time period.
Today I would keep it simple: “Left” Fascists and “Right’ Fascists as ideologues … authoritative, less “democratic” … oligarchs rule … scrap any and all NWO’s. Elections are decided by social media fist fights … we’re all warmongers now.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2025 11:30 utc | 729

Cherrycoke @713: “The German Grüne are not a leftist party – unless you consider Russophobia, militarism and support for Ukrainian Nazis left-wing.”
Well, there was this other party in Germany that was militaristic, Russophobic, and supported Ukrainian Nazis that decorated itself with the label “socialist”, so hopefully you can see how some people who cannot tell the lipstick from the pig would get confused.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 8 2025 11:43 utc | 731

“Hillary Clinton cannot be described as “left” by any stretch of the lexicon.”
Oh please, give an explanation for that, I want to have a laugh.
“Today I would keep it simple: “Left” Fascists and “Right’ Fascists as ideologues”
Fascism is by definition a radical (=strongly rooting in, radical comes from the greek word ‘radix’ = root) right wing ideology. ‘Left fascism’ makes no sense, since fascism in its core is always strongly hierarchic, what is the opposite of what political left is standing for by its definition, which is egalitarian = no power hierarchy at the very least, at best one for administrative reasons, though of course in the real world you can make SOME deductions for practical reasons, but the clear direction should always be to as little power hierarchy as possible.
An extreme – and utterly unrealistic – form of leftism would be to not accept any kind of order, no state, no laws, nothing, just the idea that everyone just lives in peace together in some magical, god given harmony for no other reason than what wonderful, peaceful, beings we are (as said utterly unrealistic).
Liberalism (the real one, not what people call liberal these days) can go in that direction, but also communism, if you put it to an extreme, where it wouldn’t even want to have any state at all (yes, communism has ZERO to do with a ‘strong state’, nor does leftism in general, that’s BS – it CAN allow a strong state, but it would have to be a very specific one and standing for those egalitarian views, so state = people, not state vs people). Well, and of course anarchism.
All got the same problem. People as they are now are simple not able to live like that, especially not with all the greedy guys around who would exploit the shit out of it and just easily enforce their own, likely very unequal system.

Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 8 2025 11:50 utc | 733

Posted by: Milites | Jun 8 2025 11:18 utc | 752
It’s funny, the Left attack the Conservatives for policies that clearly are not Conservative, whilst the Conservatives attack the Right for advocating Conservative policies, whilst attacking the Left for policies that aren’t Leftist. Guess we’re going to have to revisit the traditional model, as ours seems to be having an identity crisis, any suggestions for naming the new political categories?

What you observe is correct and, in my opinion, not happenstance. It’s not just “left”, “right” and “conservative” that have no meaning anymore (or if you prefer: many meanings), it extends to “liberal”, “socialist”, “Marxist” and so on.
I hope there will be either new concensus or new words some time soon but we can observe already now that the identity crisis you mention has a clear effect: it erects barriers that prevent people for cooperating against a dominating power faction, e.g. their government.
Examples abound: The systematic introduction of identity politics (you know the deal: LGBT, DEI, wokism, safe spaces, cancel culture, intersectionality) leads some from the former conversative spectrum to speak of “cultural Marxism”, and to call DEI-proponents as “left” regardless of anything else. This is how people like Clinton or Merkel are called “left” by people who seriously mean it. As someone who was radical left in the old system, this sounds like a joke. But it isn’t.
On the other hand, the former left has almost completely lost contact with workers (they would rather bite their tongue than say “working class” these days) and are therefore unable to understand that a man who has several low wage jobs and can’t feed his family disagrees with uncontrolled immigration. And is not a “nazi” (another word devoid of meaning today). They worry at length about the “glass ceiling” and the fraction of female/male CEOs but they don’t do anything practical for the single mother (single mom = biggest poverty risk in many countries, such as Germany).
This kind of confusion is helpful for anyone trying to keep up Western status quo.

Posted by: Konami | Jun 8 2025 12:16 utc | 735

Posted by: too scents | Jun 8 2025 11:50 utc | 759
Interesting concept, similar to freedom v’s control, trouble is who do you then consider to be the working class, given the original definition is increasingly moribund.

Posted by: Milites | Jun 8 2025 12:48 utc | 737

This Right vs Left talk is likely a waste of time, but I’ll add to it. Someone above pointed out the origin of the terms to the French assembly which is true. The Right is Throne & Altar, or a belief in natural and good hierarchy and order to the world. The left is the opposite.
As such the Right has been dead as a major force in Europe and the West since ww1, and everything since has been various flavors of Leftists pushing for ‘equality’ in various opposed fields and those in power seeking exceptions to Leftism to keep their gains. Dugin says this all the time, Liberalism, Fascism and Communism are all born of the same root, with the latter two dying over the course of the 20th century.

Posted by: Skarnkai | Jun 8 2025 12:57 utc | 739

Re: Paranaense | Jun 8 2025 12:43 utc | 763
Exactly 😊
Depends on culture, country and time period. For debate need some definitions.

Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2025 13:02 utc | 741

Justpassinby | Jun 8 2025 10:40 utc | 750
*** 🇬🇧 Sounds familiar: Britain plans to launch drones from civilian vans
The UK Ministry of Defence has launched a competition to urgently develop a new rapid drone launch system, called Project VOLLEY . The stated goal is quite specific: one mobile launcher should be able to launch five drones in less than four minutes. The system should be ready by October 2025.***
The existence of which can also then be used as an excuse by those who rule for inflicting even more surveillance and stop/search of the public in Britain.
All (as usual) for their own good, of course…

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 8 2025 13:33 utc | 743

Konami | Jun 8 2025 12:16 utc | 762
*** Examples abound: The systematic introduction of identity politics (you know the deal: LGBT, DEI, wokism, safe spaces, cancel culture, intersectionality) leads some from the former conversative spectrum to speak of “cultural Marxism”, and to call DEI-proponents as “left” regardless of anything else. This is how people like Clinton or Merkel are called “left” by people who seriously mean it. As someone who was radical left in the old system, this sounds like a joke. But it isn’t.
On the other hand, the former left has almost completely lost contact with workers (they would rather bite their tongue than say “working class” these days) and are therefore unable to understand that a man who has several low wage jobs and can’t feed his family disagrees with uncontrolled immigration. And is not a “nazi” (another word devoid of meaning today). They worry at length about the “glass ceiling” and the fraction of female/male CEOs but they don’t do anything practical for the single mother (single mom = biggest poverty risk in many countries, such as Germany).
This kind of confusion is helpful for anyone trying to keep up Western status quo.***
Well stated. I have always hated these wokist, ID-politics alleged “leftists” and their equally fake and hypocritical “free-market (which isn’t)” colleagues of corporate-owned Establishment Politics.
I can generally get on ok (which doesn’t necessarily mean agreeing or disagreeing) with Communists, Socialists, National Socialists, Anarchists, Nationalists and Conservatives … even some old-fashioned Greens — but thoroughly detest and despise scum such as the present day wokist pinko monopoly-capitalist liberals and other purveyors of modern day bankerite economic orthodoxy and ideology.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 8 2025 14:04 utc | 745

Milites | Jun 8 2025 12:48 utc | 764
*** Interesting concept, similar to freedom v’s control, trouble is who do you then consider to be the working class, given the original definition is increasingly moribund.***
Was always bemused by Trade Unions negotiating percentage pay-rises. Which despite any ideological protestations about “equality” time after time INCREASED disparities of income and wealth.
Likewise, going back to the failed (UK) 1984 Miners’ Strike, the fact that some of (State asset?) Scargill’s top activists declared themselves to be “the elite” of the labour movement …. well, so much for alleged worker ‘equality’.
As for definition of working class it overlaps lower middle class. Upper working class may well be wealthier than lower middle class. So nowadays, especially since the termination of labour-intensive industry it is more to do with a combination of education, individual frames of reference and culture (as in lifestyle).
The big divide is between these classes and the high-salaried bureaucrats, “professionals”, academics and executives. Those who rule try to keep the latter onside, which is not too difficult as they tend to be somewhat buyable and frequently drivel “wokism” as a self-delusion that they aren’t really prostitutes.
Above which are the stinking rich and speculators who really shouldn’t be allowed to exist at all. But that’s what comprises the so-called Upper Class and “aristocracy”.

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 8 2025 14:40 utc | 747

I think it is because this is the outcome desired by those who rule us.
Posted by: Waldorf | Jun 8 2025 14:44 utc | 775
—
The first rule of Fight Club is that you don’t discuss Fight Club.
The first rule of Capitalist Politics is that you don’t discuss Surplus Value.

Posted by: too scents | Jun 8 2025 14:52 utc | 749

Posted by: Cynic | Jun 8 2025 15:18 utc | 777
“As for devout Christians … well, leaving out the awful “evangelicals” there don’t seem to be a lot anyway, outwith the far northwest of Scotland — and these can be a bit biblical-fundamentalist.
Russian Orthodox are ok, though there aren’t many around.”
You’ve confused me now. What does the word devout mean to you? I’ve always understood it to mean someone who takes their faith seriously, whether evangelical, fundamentalist, Catholic, Orthodox or Muslim. Are you saying it means something else?

Posted by: Paranaense | Jun 8 2025 20:01 utc | 751

Russia can’t escalate. What do you want them to do? An other forced mobilization? A general mobilization? Use nuclear weapons? The first option is conceivable, but costly. The other two won’t happen.
And Russia can’t really escalate airstrikes either – they fire their production rate already. They could eat through stockpiles for a while, but that’s only temporary.

Posted by: A Dim Bulb | Jun 9 2025 1:56 utc | 753