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June 5, 2025
Ukraine Open Thread 2025-123
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Trump Pulls Plug on NATO’s Proxy War in Ukraine The natives are getting more restless:
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/kiev/1749110110-u-kievi-mobilizovani-vlashtuvali-bunt-u-ttsk (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 5 2025 13:41 utc | 2 There are, however, some pertinent questions raised in today’s Glenn Diesen’s discussion with Bhadrakumar. Posted by: DyslexicFingers | Jun 5 2025 14:01 utc | 3 Tinkerbell-thinking—-that “we must keep Ukraine in the fight,” as mouthed by NATO chief Mark Rutte—-means that sending a brigade of Ukrainian soldiers to the frontline is less important than cobbling together expendable but nimble shock-teams to engage in terroristic acts of high-PR value against Russia. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 14:01 utc | 4 Americans who do not understand their country is a state sponsor of terrorism have no excuse for that. There are many of us who berate and browbeat “fake news” and at the same time cling to it. This is the national identity. Posted by: chunga | Jun 5 2025 14:02 utc | 5 From poster 53 to 218, there are several contradictory posters about Arestovich in the previous thread. Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 14:09 utc | 6 I guess European oligarchs still stinging from getting kicked out. Posted by: drifting | Jun 5 2025 14:10 utc | 7 Oui | Jun 5 2025 13:40 utc | 1 Posted by: Moonraker | Jun 5 2025 14:11 utc | 8 “Ukraine’s military intelligence, or HUR, has built covert ops into a weapon as deadly as Israel’s Mossad, its only international rival,” crowed Owen Matthews in his 4 June op-ed in the Telegraph. Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 14:16 utc | 9 VSG PDJT to Z….”Stop war with Russia because US support is ending”…Hal Turner Radio Show… no show head of DoD on fckg* NATO meeting….. Orban revealed the plans of EU leaders for a preemptive strike on Russia Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 14:40 utc | 11 Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 14:40 utc | 11 Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 14:45 utc | 12 FAB bombs. The building is completely gutted
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2025 14:50 utc | 13
Holds for many countries too. Perhaps the UK is a bit more extreme in this regard. I wondered the same but I also believe if the shit really hits the fan then the leadership will be quickly replaced by someone who can make ends meet with the winner (Russia). Posted by: Konami | Jun 5 2025 14:59 utc | 14 Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2025 13:40 utc | 1 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 14:59 utc | 15 America is not agreement capable because it is the Empire of Lies. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 15:06 utc | 16 Pentagon Redirects Missile Components From Kiev To Own Forces – WSJ Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 5 2025 15:13 utc | 17 steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 14:01 utc | 4 Posted by: Markw | Jun 5 2025 15:14 utc | 18 Perhaps Oreshniking the UK bases in Cyprus could be a retaliatory move not susceptible to cause too much escalation. I’m sure Cyprus would unofficially approve… Posted by: scc | Jun 5 2025 15:20 utc | 19 https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2025/06/02/at-least-13-russian-strategic-aircraft-completely-destroyed/ Posted by: saner | Jun 5 2025 15:26 utc | 20 More restlessness?
https://regionews.ua/ukr/news/kiev/1749115739-u-kievi-vibuhnuv-smitteviy-bak-postrazhdali-dvoe-lyudey (via translation add-on.) Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 5 2025 15:30 utc | 21 Elber Posted by: Whereswally | Jun 5 2025 15:30 utc | 22 An hours or so ago a USN P-8 Intel, command aircraft was refueled over Rumania and turned off its beacon. The refueler is on its way back west to base in UK. Posted by: paddy | Jun 5 2025 15:31 utc | 23 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 14:01 utc | 4 Posted by: Paco | Jun 5 2025 15:36 utc | 24 Russian media has been consistent in describing this as a NATO war. Posted by: Exile | Jun 5 2025 15:40 utc | 25 Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 14:45 utc | 12 Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 15:51 utc | 26 Here’s the Bhadrakumar interview, he channels his inner Paul Craig Roberts, very heavy duty criticism of the Putin admin’s running of the war, constantly allowing red lines to be crossed: @37:28 “Putin shies away from taking tough decisions that’s why I said that I really don’t know whether these some of these people are compromised, it can happen history shows that such things happen weak leaderships bring about calamities on a nation”. Posted by: LightYearsFromHome | Jun 5 2025 16:14 utc | 27 Putin does not shies away from tough decisions, he’s just a sane and calm person and not a mass murderous psychopath. Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 5 2025 16:22 utc | 28 Posted by: Paco | Jun 5 2025 15:36 utc | 24 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 16:29 utc | 29 Eber @ 26 https://old.bitchute.com/video/dSarS03MWJRa/ Posted by: saner | Jun 5 2025 16:34 utc | 31 https://www.marineinsight.com/shipping-news/royal-navy-flagship-sails-into-indian-ocean-for-next-stage-of-global-mission/ Posted by: gdp | Jun 5 2025 16:40 utc | 32 I watched Scott Ritter with the Judge this morning and Scott says Russia is going to take a week and bring Ukraine down. Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 5 2025 16:44 utc | 33 Putin has refused to simply accept as true the fact the US, UK, and NATO are integral to the attacks on Russia to include civilians. Posted by: Jim C. | Jun 5 2025 16:46 utc | 34 @ Moonraker, §8: Posted by: John Marks | Jun 5 2025 16:48 utc | 35 Well, anyone who is currently following the Oval Office briefing between Trump and German Chancellor Merz (warmonger) must believe otherwise given the answers Trump gave the journalists regarding Ukraine… he’s suddenly backing Merz and the “willing” France and England… Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 5 2025 16:53 utc | 36 From 24 hours to… maybe. Low expectations are the key to success Posted by: Newbie | Jun 5 2025 16:56 utc | 37 Citing the Russian Ministry of Defense, Times of India has reported that elements of three Ukie brigades have surrendered in South Donetsk. I’ve long been awaiting such news. SAVE THOSE LIVES ! Posted by: aristodemos | Jun 5 2025 16:58 utc | 38 This critic of the Neo-Nazi dictator Zelensky had better watch out – the Neo-Nazi’s won’t think twice on finding him and killing him, afterall many Ukie Neo-Nazi’s are guns for hire – no doubt like Roger Waters – the guy will be on the Ukie assassination list called the Mirotvorets. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 5 2025 16:58 utc | 39
is he now playing good cop bad cop by himself? Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 5 2025 17:00 utc | 40 Fico stands his ground – cue another assassination attempt by EU bigwigs/USA/UK/Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 5 2025 17:10 utc | 41 re: #39. I have posted his tweets here before. Here’s more… Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 5 2025 17:11 utc | 42 @ Justpassinby | Jun 5 2025 17:00 utc | 40 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Jun 5 2025 17:11 utc | 43 Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 5 2025 16:53 utc | 36 Posted by: Elber | Jun 5 2025 17:13 utc | 44 Posted by: John Marks | Jun 5 2025 16:48 utc | 35 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 17:16 utc | 45 Meeting of NATO Ministers of Defence (& vids) Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 5 2025 17:18 utc | 46 Posted by: Clown Shoes | Jun 5 2025 17:11 utc | 43
For the last nine years this has been most baffling to me. This fixation on the names of the puppets in the white house. No, there is no need to guess anything. There is no agency at all in any of them. There is only the continuity of the imperial agenda. This was the case in ancient Rome and even before, this was the case in the spanish, the french and the british empire. Until their power whithers away they all dominate by any means neccessary, they view the world through a supremecist and exceptionalist lense and they will never accept any rival until that rival has fought his way on the iron throne with brute force, claws and teeth. No one has ever stepped down from that throne out of the realisation that he no longer has anything to offer to the world. Posted by: Hamburger | Jun 5 2025 17:32 utc | 47 “This is a historic document, the first of its kind within the EU,” SNS leader Andrej Danko said. “It clearly states that sanctions against Russia harm Slovakia’s economy and the plenary session of the Slovak parliament has agreed.”” Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 5 2025 17:35 utc | 48 Men like Putin are few and far between and Russians are every fortunate. Posted by: chunga | Jun 5 2025 17:36 utc | 49 🇺🇸🇺🇦 Trump assures he is with Ukraine Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 5 2025 17:37 utc | 50 Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 5 2025 17:35 utc | 48 Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 5 2025 17:37 utc | 51 Man, I’m glad I did waste any hope in Trump 2.0. He’s just another Zelensky now. Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 5 2025 17:39 utc | 52 Edit: I’m glad I DID NOT WASTE ANY HOPE in Trump… Posted by: Genesis | Jun 5 2025 17:42 utc | 53 No one has ever stepped down from that throne out of the realisation that he no longer has anything to offer to the world. Posted by: malenkov | Jun 5 2025 17:42 utc | 54 I agree with Trump and this Merz that Russia can ONLY be forced to negotiate with weapons… which the West does not have. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 5 2025 17:43 utc | 55 Seriously if no serious transcript arrives, just watch it Posted by: Newbie | Jun 5 2025 17:47 utc | 56 That’s exactly how people in Germany are starting to think…after today’s Trump-Merz briefing…new hypocrisy.. Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 5 2025 17:47 utc | 57 “That’s exactly how people in Germany are starting to think…after today’s Trump-Merz briefing…new hypocrisy..” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 5 2025 17:49 utc | 58 WhoIs this fu*king moronic warmongering defense minister from Lithuana … “our intelligence tell us Russia will be capable to breach our border in 5 years’ time” … European NATO states have promised its citizens we are on a path to war with the Russian Federation .. in 2022 Russia was not ready for any major war or offensive … NATO expansion forced them to invest in its military … cause and effect, don’t bull$hit me lady.
They can think whatever the hell they like. Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 5 2025 17:55 utc | 60 Don’t act like it’s not the fault of the people in the west. THEY constantly elect that crap back into power. Again and again and again. Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 5 2025 18:01 utc | 61 is he now playing good cop bad cop by himself? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 18:10 utc | 62 Times of India has reported that elements of three Ukie brigades have surrendered in South Donetsk. Posted by: Exile | Jun 5 2025 18:10 utc | 63 Is there a select media who REFUSE to ask the tough questions? Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 5 2025 18:17 utc | 64 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 17:16 utc | 45 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 18:17 utc | 65 “Are you sure? You’re absolutely sure that the elections aren’t constantly a series of frauds perpetrated ON the people of the west?” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 5 2025 18:21 utc | 66 The only consequent party against all that NATO insanity and warmongering and racism (yeah, it’s still racism if its against China and Russia and alike) got NINE percent. Posted by: Cherrycoke | Jun 5 2025 18:36 utc | 67 “Hell, the USA does not even need that, the just got one party which prentends to be two parties and that’s absolutely enough, because the peopel still think that this are two completely different sides. Posted by: Not Ewe | Jun 5 2025 18:53 utc | 68 ■ Brennpunkt: Merz im Weißen Haus | ARD tagesschau |
D-Day June 6th moment for German Chancellor Merz in the White House
Posted by: Oui | Jun 5 2025 17:51 utc | 59 Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 5 2025 18:58 utc | 70 In the sixties my USA high school years, one foreign language had to be chosen from the curriculum … Spanish or Russian .. was never a problem during the Cold War years. Much better to understand your presumed adversaries … VP Richard Nixon traveled as a “tourist” in the USSR. THIS. IS. GREAT. Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 19:05 utc | 72 “Die Linke? You must be kidding.” Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 5 2025 19:05 utc | 73 Mercouris does an examination of the Russian Istanbul memorandum – on the fly, too, since he seems to be busy in Tblisi – that covers it brilliantly:- Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 5 2025 19:06 utc | 74 About the Cold War … Glenn Diesen talked to M.K.Badrakumar (former indian diplomat). Posted by: WMG | Jun 5 2025 19:08 utc | 76 And now Musk wants to start a third party. Posted by: too scents | Jun 5 2025 19:10 utc | 77 Moar: too scents | Jun 5 2025 19:10 utc | 77
Let them fight! Posted by: too scents | Jun 5 2025 19:18 utc | 78 Elon just posted that Trump is in the Epstein files (most of us already knew that). This will create drama for weeks. What are they covering up? Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 19:19 utc | 79
Posted by: English Outsider | Jun 5 2025 19:06 utc | 74 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 5 2025 19:26 utc | 80 Trump Musk kayfabe. Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 5 2025 19:27 utc | 81 Posted by: Nooneuknow | Jun 5 2025 17:37 utc | 50 Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 5 2025 19:28 utc | 82 Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 5 2025 19:27 utc | 81 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 19:37 utc | 83 Recommendation – M. K. BHADRAKUMAR is interviewed on YouTube channel G Diesen. Finally back with his sharp eye and analysis. To dare to criticize Putin – after Minsk 1 & 2, Istanbul 1 & 2, in addition to all the broken red lines – requires integrity and clarity. Posted by: Kim Sejrskild | Jun 5 2025 19:37 utc | 84 The Official Story of the Trump admin is that he knew nothing, he saw nothing. Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 5 2025 19:38 utc | 85 Ah, year four of the Great Russian Adventure™, and what a spectacle it’s been. One might have thought that a nuclear power with delusions of empire could at least secure a few square miles without tripping over its own boots. But alas, here we are: Russia still floundering, objectives unmet, and its military doctrine revealed to be a charming museum piece—equal parts nostalgia and negligence. Posted by: Louis | Jun 5 2025 19:39 utc | 86 i havent been here as much, is Anonymous still posting sqkm gain reports? Posted by: UWDude | Jun 5 2025 19:41 utc | 87 Posted by: Kim Sejrskild | Jun 5 2025 19:37 utc | 84 Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 19:43 utc | 88 destabilised Russia, Posted by: UWDude | Jun 5 2025 19:43 utc | 89 @ LightYearsFromHome | Jun 5 2025 16:14 utc | 27 Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2025 19:44 utc | 90
You lost me here, Beatrice. Die Linke? With eminent figures like Bodo Ramelow (“Putin as bad as Hitler”), the party that voted *for* war money (Kriegskredite) and allowed Merz to become chancellor as quickly as possible, without any necessity? The party that helped sell communal flats large scale in Berlin? The party that is so far on the Sozialdemokratisierung that Heidi Reichinek is hyped throughout mainstream media? Posted by: Konami | Jun 5 2025 19:46 utc | 91
Indeed, and that is how the RF will measure the veracity of Trump’s claim. Posted by: ChatNPC | Jun 5 2025 19:47 utc | 92 The Grayzone Live: ‘I Think I’m A Drone Now’ Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 5 2025 19:47 utc | 93 The real terrorists are sitting in summit meetings, holding hands, and announcing partners, initiatives, endless weapon procurements. Posted by: Roxy | Jun 5 2025 19:47 utc | 94 Everyone is talking about how Trump is enabling Graham’s sedition. Posted by: Newbie | Jun 5 2025 19:48 utc | 95 My view on Colonel Lang’s old site: Posted by: wagelaborer | Jun 5 2025 19:50 utc | 96
Posted by: UWDude | Jun 5 2025 19:41 utc | 87 Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 5 2025 19:50 utc | 97 @LoveDonbass | Jun 5 2025 19:19 utc | 79
I suppose they are covering up that the whole western mafia with Trump, Macron, Starmer, Stoltenberg and many others are deeply compromised by Epstein-like stories. Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 5 2025 19:51 utc | 98
Conveniently, he dropped the ball *exactly* when the Russian army was picking up pace. Hasn’t been seen since. Posted by: Konami | Jun 5 2025 19:53 utc | 99 . Yet the Russians continue to disseminate a country that has little to no lead in its actions. Posted by: UWDude | Jun 5 2025 19:53 utc | 100 |
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