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June 1, 2025
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Drones near Murmansk were launched from a truck towards Olenegorsk.
There’s no sign of saboteurs there. Starlink, automation, and control even from Kiev.
https://t.me/llordofwar/454991
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 1 2025 12:41 utc | 1
Bringig this from the previous thread
Russian deep strike capability is effectively crippled. 40 tupolev bombers up in flames in Russian airbase.
Posted by: Fit Rice | Jun 1 2025 11:43 utc | 298
They have between 50 and 60 Tu-22, nearly 50 Tu-95 and about 20 Tu-160.
If really 40 are destroyed or damaged beyond repair is to be seen. I wouldn‘t say „crippled“ but if these videos are not some kind of AI-shit it is a very serious attack.
Will be interesting to see how Russia reacts.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 1 2025 11:55 utc | 305
Time to force nato to say ukraine went rogue and is being dumped
Otherwise it’s a clear 18/19.c
18. The Russian Federation reserves the right to employ nuclear weapons in response to the employment of nuclear and (or) other types of weapons of mass destruction against itself and (or) its allies, as well as in the event of aggression against the Russian Federation and (or) the Republic of Belarus as participants in the Union State with the employment of conventional weapons, which creates a critical threat to their sovereignty and (or) territorial integrity.
19. The conditions that enable the possibility of nuclear weapons employment by the Russian Federation are as follows:
c) actions by an adversary affecting elements of critically important state or military infrastructure of the Russian Federation, the disablement of which would disrupt response actions by nuclear forces;
BTW the long-range aviation military base “Belaya,” located in the Irkutsk region, near the city of Usolye-Sibirskoye is as deep as it gets, it should have a more than 3.000 kms radius buffer
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 1 2025 12:47 utc | 3
I imagine a nuclear response is just what the bad guys would like – “we told you he was Hitler!”.
OTOH Russia needs better defence against attacks like these.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 12:54 utc | 4
🇷🇺⚔️🇺🇦 Ukrainian Media Reveal FPV Drones Used in Attacks on Russian Airbases — Operation “Spiderweb” Allegedly in Preparation for 1.5 Years
Ukrainian media have published photos of the FPV drones used in the recent attacks on Russian airbases.
According to Ukrainian military intelligence (GUR)-linked sources, the operation was codenamed “Spiderweb” and had been in preparation for approximately 1.5 years.
The enemy publishes photographs of containers from which drones were allegedly launched. He claims that the drones were hidden in the roof of the container under a false ceiling.
Accordingly, before launch, the roof is moved/removed and the drones are quietly launched, using mobile or satellite Internet for communication.
After the attack, the container was detonated remotely
Ukranians do not have satellites.
https://t.me/DDGeopolitics/149586
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 12:54 utc | 5
We’ll soon see from satellite what the damage is.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 12:55 utc | 6
‼️🇷🇺 The Tu-160M strategic nuclear weapons carriers are all intact. There was no damage.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/154299
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 12:59 utc | 7
ukraine also back to blowing up bridges… when trains pass, full terrorism mode, that’s quite the funky way to prepare “peace talks” tomorrow…
https://www.reuters.com/world/bridge-collapses-russias-bryansk-region-that-borders-ukraine-governor-says-2025-05-31/
Posted by: rototo | Jun 1 2025 13:01 utc | 8
Ukraine claims to have hit more than 40 Russian bombers, in what appears to be one of the most audacious attacks so far on Russian aviation.
According to a statement from Ukraine’s security service, the SBU, “enemy strategic bombers are burning en masse in Russia”.
It says Ukraine is conducting “a large scale special operation aimed at destroying enemy bomber aircraft.” It says more than 40 aircraft have been hit.
It has released dramatic video which it says shows a drone attack at the Belaya airbase in Irkutsk oblast, in Siberia. Bombers are under attack, with explosions visible and smoke rising.
Reports suggest other aircraft have been attacked at the Olenya airbase, near Murmansk. Russian media is reporting the attack in Murmansk but says air defences are working. The attack in Irkutsk is also being reported.
Meanwhile, the Ukrainian authorities say that 472 drones and seven ballistic and cruise missiles were involved in last night’s wave of attacks on Ukraine. This would appear to be one largest single Russian drone attacks so far. Ukraine says it neutralised 385 aerial targets.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cgrg7kelk45t
Posted by: Apollyon | Jun 1 2025 13:18 utc | 9
We ´ll see what the actual outcome of such remote attacks against strategic bombers is, but the attacks are both smart and highly dangerous :
– smart modus operandi, maybe some british input
– very dangerous as any attack on a nuclear weapon carrier may trigger unlimuted consequences
Together with the blind attacks on civilian infrastructures , it may well lead to strikes on entire ukrainian chain of command
Posted by: Dany | Jun 1 2025 13:19 utc | 10
Pointless attack. It will do ZERO to reduce Russia’s offensive capabilities. The damaged planes will be repaired or replace (Russia produce 100s of those bomber but only kept a few dozens in service, replace them will be no real problem).
The main thing we got here is that it just makes clear that this NATO puppet regime is something that must be obliterated, there is no other way.
Zelenskys himself does not even care anymore, standing with a full out fascists on that book exhition the 2.WW Nazi Wolfsangel big and proud on the cover.
Everyon in the west and especially that regime can just be glad that Russia is a peaceful state, run by smart and calm minds.
If this would have happened to NATO or alike, Kiev would burn tomorrow with hundredthousands of dead civilians.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 13:23 utc | 11
Ever since Avdiivka fell, 1.5 years ago, it is as if the ‘original’ combat line of contact matters little to Ukraine and its western curators.
Brain-power instead has been intensely directed to set-piece style jaunts, like the Kursk Incursion and the so-called “spiderweb” drone-swarm last week.
Spliced into these set-piece style jaunts are ATACMS hits directed toward Crimea or, in December 2024, into pre-2014 Russia.
Kiev’s Euro-curators have de-centered their attention from the LOC, where they are unlikely to achieve splashy headline-grabbing notice, in order to focus on targeting civic spaces—-could be apartment blocks, could be nursing homes, could be shopping malls.
The ruse or *cover* of a ‘conflict in Ukraine’ provides Kiev’s Euro-curators license to foment a wider Forever War, terroristic in nature.
After Avdiivka fell, the war in Ukraine was no longer about Ukraine winning a war, or even a single battle. It was about Russia losing.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 1 2025 13:27 utc | 12
This is terrible news.
This is not a moment for hasty, from-the-hip responses.
No doubt the Security Forces of the Russian Federation will spend some time investigating and evaluating what has happened and its implications.
Then – At a time of their choosing, there will (I hope) be an appropriate devastating response.
I shall await that sweet moment.
Posted by: Engineer-John | Jun 1 2025 13:28 utc | 13
@15,
Ah, I see .. so basically you are saying that Russia lost the war in 2022 so nothing can be done right now because of the “leadership”. Nothing about the fact that Ukraine is basically a slave state where everyone who goes to against the state is eliminated or sent to the front, or about the fact that a lot of your local bloggers are spitting garbage left and right without any sort of informational hygiene that basically radicalize a significant part of your morons inside Russia to commit terrorist attacks.
I can understand why you want a police state, perhaps it would help considering the low iq state of some of your citizens that sell their state of a few bucks.
Maybe you are right, maybe you guys deserve to lose to see how your life will be after Ukraine wins this war. You will definitely have a new “leadership” more professional and capable of making your state better after.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 13:29 utc | 14
The destruction of the West is what you’re watching, in slow motion. Fasten your seat belts.
Whenever a propaganda event occurs this clown shows up. He disappeared after talking about how Kursk was such an ’embarassment’ to Russia. Remind me how that turned out again.
70,000 dead Ukranazis and mercs? Exactly as I said. Running from the Houthis is not embarrassing, though.
The outcome is not in doubt. Guess what, war is dynamic. Shadowbanned and his NAFO fellow traveller’s will be posting about this shit all day with chatGPT.
Too bad it won’t save Ukraine, or the dollar. What you’re smelling is Western desperation.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 13:30 utc | 15
(Russia produce 100s of those bomber but only kept a few dozens in service, replace them will be no real problem).
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Good job blowing up some bombers, I guess. Too bad Ukraine lost 10,000 or so men in the last 12 days. Sucks to be Volkssturm.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 13:34 utc | 16
Kiev Cope:
A national security official in Ukraine’s intel services accused Russia of mounting a False Flag operation against the railway bridges in Bryansk and Kursk “to discredit Ukraine ahead of peace talks in Istanbul on 2 June.”
Kiev is known to back partisan activity behind enemy lines, according to the Telegraph, but rarely orders strikes on civilian targets.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 1 2025 13:38 utc | 17
Again, this is doing NOTHING to reduce Russia striking capabilities in any way. While these old bombers can carry a bigger load of missiles, there is a massive amount of other planes AND ground vehicles AND ships which can fire these missiles, too. The main point is the range of these missiles, you simply don’t really NEED long range bomber anymore.
ICMB, the main threat of nuclear detterence got nothing to do with planes anyway, they are a) too big for any plane and b) just fly their on their own.
Most of the damage done will be repairable anyway, if they even want to, becaus that “those are super old, rare planes” is just that.
Why do you think they keep those old planes around? Because they are simply not very important anymore, there was no need to greatly modernize them and keep them up to date and whatever. They are doing a simple job as simply planes but nothing of great importance.
Russias missiles fly all that distance on their own. And their active bombing with shorter range missiles or bombs are not done by such bombers to begin with.
The whole thing is like sinking the Moskva. A big PR number but military wise utterly worthless, while it keeps a pointless NATO war running that uses Ukraine itself as fuel, so the very last one who should wish for it to continue IS Ukraine.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 13:39 utc | 18
Russian deep strike capability is effectively crippled. 40 tupolev bombers up in flames in Russian airbase.
Posted by: Fit Rice | Jun 1 2025 11:43 utc | 298
If this were true, Yahoo and NBC would be crying it to the skies. They aren’t. Make of that what you will.
Posted by: Neptune | Jun 1 2025 13:43 utc | 19
Saboteurs detonate IEDs as locomotives approach railway bridges in both Bryansk and Kursk Regions, while drones attack military bases in Murmansk and near Lake Baikal.
On the golf course, DJT says, “Hand me my 9-iron.”
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 1 2025 13:44 utc | 20
But if its a dozen or two this is a lot more serious and then it doesn‘t help if you cover your eyes an ears and start singing „la la la“.
I’m not in the Russian command. I analyze. My analysis is this means zero to the conflict and is about propaganda. Remind me what available launch vehicles exist for the nuclear deterrent. Seems to me the vast majority is missile forces. The command will no doubt assess and take appropriate actions.
But trying to pretend this is a game changer…well that’s stupid. Extremely stupid. This changes nothing fundamental. It’s the kind of thing the frat boys in MI6 cheer about but means little.
Wake me up when the retaliation comes. I’m going back to sleep.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 13:45 utc | 21
Dany@16….the Ukies have been asking for nuclear arms since before the SMO began, you think they give a damn about fallout…..proxy does as proxy is told, Limmy, Froggy and the Kruts don’t give a rats ass about Russia, and of course while little Ukie fodder become fertilizer, the Command and Control Centres still exist and they play by Britkrainian Rules….not silly imaginative bags of stale nut rules…..Hazelnuts, what a joke. Give the Russians credit, they do lot of translated talking to whom…..no one in the west listens or cares…..Russia does not have the means to end the SMO decisively outside of a nuclear flash.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 1 2025 13:45 utc | 22
There will come a time when BRICS nations will be obliged to establish a military framework.
Posted by: chunga | Jun 1 2025 13:46 utc | 23
Fascinating approach by NATO. They don’t care about military victory, they want to de-stabilize Russia.
Putin is a great stabilizing force.
They are trying to test his control and patience.
This is next level meta game. I am interested to see how Russia adapts. Everyone assumes the result must be kinetic. Truth is, whatever Putin does must bind the nation closer and tighter. It could be a national day of prayer or the public prosecution of NATO troops with execution.
It could be nothing overt.
It could be tax cuts or a year of free university. Something that only Putin can do and the West cannot stop.
As usual, NATO’s moves are asymmetric because they aren’t strong enough to attack directly.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 1 2025 13:47 utc | 24
Posted by: steve | Jun 1 2025 13:47 utc | 41
just like the bbc always has the latest scoop on ukraine/russia ready beforehand
Posted by: Justpassinby | Jun 1 2025 13:50 utc | 25
I remember you bigged up seevral other nothingburgers. The ‘ammo dump’ (that wasnt) strike, several previous claimed hits on Tupolevs, all of these were catastropic, remember? It goes on and on. When I told you Kursk was a suicide mission you went on about it being an embarassment for Russia. Aren’t you tired of being a whore for the losers of this war? Get a real job. I’d stay away from analysis though..its not your strong suit.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 13:50 utc | 26
Russian ships don’t NEED to go west of Crimea, for what? Their missile can reach everything in Ukraine from west of Crimea just as much as from the east of it or the east of the Black Sea.
And by the way: the main reason why the USA is mainly losing things to friendly fire is them bombing goat herders and rice farmers.
And even that would end much worse than already today than back then as we can see in the middle east… and that BEFORE Russia or China would openly pump hundreds of billions of dollar in equipment there.
And sorry to break your delusion, but you can be 100% certain that NATO was involved in that attack, too.
Russia and China can EASILY do the same without ANY problem. They are just not crazy maniacs as NATO is.
China alone could OBLITERATE our whole economy in pretty much a day, something NATO would LOVE to be able to and instantly abuse in any way if it could.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 13:53 utc | 27
Strange, isn’t it? For weeks and weeks there hasn’t been a squeak from @shadowbanned. Not a peep while the Ukrainian front in Kursk collapsed and became a Russian front in Sumy. Nothing at all about the increasing resistance inside Ukraine against the press-gangs, or the Kiev junta generally. No mention of the day and night pounding of Ukrainian factories, warehouses, military training camps and mustering-points by missiles and drones
Nope, not a word about any of that.
Weird how that works, huh?
Posted by: Jeremy Rhymings-Lang | Jun 1 2025 13:54 utc | 28
@34,
Sadly yes, by attacking nuclear based aircraft, based on the current doctrine, it should entail a nuclear response on Ukraine. The question is, what would happen after?
I’m still curious though how many planes were actually lost but the current image is not pretty at all. I don’t think it’s necessarily a problem that Russia sends a delegation tomorrow, it doesn’t mean anything yet.
I still believe that Russia doesn’t go full war and mobilization because indeed there are a lot of “waiters” inside Russia and this latest attacks shows exactly that. Like or not, it’s not possible to keep a high intensive war without a functional economy and so far Russia has managed to do wonders considering the circumstances.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 13:59 utc | 29
This has shades of the Hezbollah pager attack.
That didn’t destroy Lebanon, this won’t destroy Russia.
If Russia has lost any capacity from this, I expect them to release the next newest weapons system.
War never changes.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 1 2025 13:59 utc | 30
What’s Trump saying about it ?
Please stop bombing Russian airfields ?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 1 2025 14:01 utc | 31
Sadly yes, by attacking nuclear based aircraft, based on the current doctrine, it should entail a nuclear response on Ukraine.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 13:59 utc | 50
Not on Ukraine, on any or all coalition countries
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 1 2025 14:05 utc | 32
Right on cue, almost as if it were coordinated, the “Russia should nuke London” trolls are suddenly all back!
This war hasn’t changed one bit in YEARS. Here’s how it works: Russia grinds away NATO equipment and Ukrainian cannon fodder to dust at the front. Ukraine “counters” with big splashy media hyped attacks designed for media impact, not military impact. The trolls rush out of the woodwork in a desperate attempt to goad Russia into over reacting which will then give NATO justification for destroying it. Russia ignores it. Repeat.
Posted by: Moonraker | Jun 1 2025 14:06 utc | 33
I think Russia’s course following the multiple deadly train terrorist attacks (think SBU/MI6/CIA) as well as the NATO attack by proxy on its strategic deterrence will remain unmoved and at best maybe an increase of the mobilization to 2% which would include its use in Ukraine to create the much desired safety buffer.
Posted by: xor | Jun 1 2025 14:07 utc | 34
@ Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 13:45 utc | 36
As far as I‘m concerned nobody mentioned something about „a game changer“.
Maybe for you the word „serious“ has a different meaning?
I have to admit the video on Intelslava impressed me. The smoke from different spots at the russian airport didn‘t look like camp fires. And also the video from the burning Tu-95 and the other one who got hit.
But I would agree with you as long as we don‘t really now the real number of destroyed strategic bomber it is better to stay calm.
Posted by: NoName | Jun 1 2025 14:08 utc | 35
I can’t even side with Russia at this point. It’s their own fault this keeps escalating. Maybe they have a plan. Then the bombings and terrorist attacks are part of their plan. In that case you gotta cheer Ukraine for doing what Russia wants.
Posted by: Bob | Jun 1 2025 14:09 utc | 36
@42,
Aren’t MIG-31s also used for hypersonic missiles? Even recently there are some indications that they plan to use them on Su-34s also.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 14:09 utc | 37
A novel vector with a minimal result. My favorite video of the event is where the random 4 Russians climb on top of one container preventing more drones from launching. Is shadowbanned going to also tell us the terrorism against the train bridges also means Russia is finished and Putin personally is weak? Hahaha – they’ll be writing book about how Putin schooled the West for centuries. I’m afraid this is just a footnote in any account. Kursk will get a chapter, where we can reflect on the hubris and imbecility of NATO …in specific the strategic leadership. Utter clowns.
Posted by: Doctor Eleven | Jun 1 2025 14:14 utc | 38
Dima explains very well the stupidity and carelessness of the Russians.
The Russian logistics for the Sumi offensive have been seriously disrupted.
However, if what has been posted here about the burning planes is really true,
we should not be surprised.
Putin let millions of Ukrainians into the country at the beginning
of the SMO without any checks … The rats are now coming out of their holes.
Comrade Stalin would know what to do now.
Posted by: guest from franconia | Jun 1 2025 14:15 utc | 39
Seen one apparent actual video showing four aircraft, real or decoys on fire. Then spamming a bunch of old stuff and hope no-one notices. Fairly typical.
The claim of 40 seems to arise from the typical 10× ratios being applied.
Also apparently took about 18 months of prep work to attempt this.
If the Russian were massing bombers for a large strike. I suppose now would be the time with all remaining assets, if only to prove a point.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 1 2025 14:15 utc | 40
Its a Francis Gary Power before the talks Monday. The only question is where the Russians in on it this time.
Posted by: steve | Jun 1 2025 14:16 utc | 41
The Directive has not shifted an iota, even if talks about peace occur in Istanbul.
The Directive mandates crushing Russia, regime-changing Russia and dismembering Russia.
Although NATO’s proxy war in Ukraine did not *crush* Russia, it can indeed be used now as *cover* for conducting audacious terroristic attacks on Russia’s hinterland in order to drive matters to a head.
The ‘plausible deniability’ built into the attacks can always be, “Well, Ukraine has a right to defend itself.” Meanwhile, NATO’s Euro-curators are engineering & directing the attacks, and using *Ukraine* as a fig-leaf cover.
Recall that NATO *provoked* Russia into invading Ukraine in 2022, no doubt hoping for an overreaction. In fact, the invasion *itself* was marketed as an overreaction: “unprovoked brutal act of unchecked aggression,” etc(TM)
NATO is provoking once more—first w/ the Kursk Incursion, then w/ the ATACMS strikes inside pre-2014 Russia, next w/ the “spiderweb” drone-swarm and now w/ the bridge sabotage & the drone attacks on airfields. NATO, led by the U.S., is auguring for an overreaction.
More than anything, these acts now signal pursuit of The Directive: to crush Russia, regime-change Russia and dismember Russia.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 1 2025 14:16 utc | 42
Not a moment to nuke but as I said earlier, golden opportunity for the us to disavow Ukraine and explain that 18/19.c precludes article 5 of nato.
Are there coincidences ?
NEW YORK, June 1. /TASS/. US Special Envoy for Ukraine Keith Kellogg has acknowledged that Russian President Vladimir Putin is right that NATO is waging a proxy war with Russia.
“And he (the Russian leader – TASS) considers this a proxy war by NATO as well right now, and frankly, in a way, it is. I mean, you look at what European nations have done with support. I mean, it’s clearly Putin sees that,” Kellogg said in an interview with Fox News, commenting on Germany’s possible decision to begin supplying long-range Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine.
https://tass.com/world/1966517
Posted by: Newbie | Jun 1 2025 14:17 utc | 43
@ Night Tripper | Jun 1 2025 13:56 utc | 49
The strike was planned for over a year, allegedly. No wonder they were gone for so long.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 14:17 utc | 44
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/sumy-front-collapses-russians-pouring-in
According to Hal Turner Sumy front collapsing and follow on effect on the whole front. Ukraine desperate for a distraction.
I’m seeing reports that the aircraft losses are much smaller than 40.
40 is a great propaganda number because with an audacious attack, people will believe and inflate the number naturally.
The front lines are collapsing. This event, like Bucha, like the Moskva, like Kursk, like Darya Dugina, changes nothing.
If anything, these tactic increase Russian esprit de corps and morale. Enlistment keeps increasing.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 1 2025 14:18 utc | 46
https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/224040
At the moment, attacks have only been confirmed on the Olenya airbase in the Murmansk region and the Belaya airbase in the Irkutsk region.
Considering that the news had already died down, there were no other attacks, or they were repelled.
Based on the published videos, it can be assumed that up to 10 aircraft were lost – up to four Tu-95s, one An-12 cargo plane and up to five Tu-22M3s.
The Ukrainians really lied about “Aircraft 41”.
It didn’t make it any easier, though.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 14:20 utc | 47
Sixteen bridges are all that stand between Russia and realativly easy occupation of everything on the east side of the Danube. One dam goes and the entire Kiev area is underwater.
Why has this not happened already?
Posted by: steve | Jun 1 2025 14:20 utc | 48
Aren’t MIG-31s also used for hypersonic missiles? Even recently there are some indications that they plan to use them on Su-34s also.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 14:09 utc | 62
Su-30, Su-35 and Su-34 can all launch cruise missiles. Su-34 also Kinzhal. Mig-31 too, as you mentioned.
But they are all not part of the strategic bomber force (Tu-22, Tu-95 and Tu-160).
Posted by: NoName | Jun 1 2025 14:20 utc | 49
@63,
I disagree, again with “Putin should do this, Putin should do that”. There is an entire chain of command that needs to find solutions for the existing problems (hangars, the current sitters in RU, incompetence in some sectors of the army). This is not a “one man job”.
From what I have read in various RU posts, they started fixing some of the storage problems (hangars or other methods of storing aircraft) that the Airforce had during the previous years but it seems only in some parts of the country and probably only for smaller aircraft (SU-35/SU-34s). It’s shocking how those Tu-95s/Tu-22M were left parking in a open airfield. You would think that these airplanes are more valuable than others.
Hence the current sitters and incompetence problem.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 14:22 utc | 50
A good question would be, just like the attack on the Moskva, why attacking these and not all the smaller bomber and fighters, which are far more actively used to drops FABs and alike or go for such storages for example.
Again: the whole things is a PR number, likely even pushed by NATO to somehow force a response, an escalation it can than abuse to bring down Russia via international pressure without getting nuked – what will of course not work, because Russia is not NATO and does not react like this, like the USA, which got 9/11 and goes full mass murder about a whole nation that got nothing to do with it, making the whole region burn brightly (without care, because it’s on the other side of the planet and they are fascists who don’t care about anyone but themselves).
Maybe fourty, fifty years ago, such an attack would have led somewhere, but today?
The whole thing stinks like “what we can destroy, that looks big, but actually isn’t, so we got a big PR show without fear about retaliation.” What makes no sense for Ukraine to do. They will just get hit in the face for that again and what did they gain from it? Nothing. The western warmongers contiune to abuse them as cannonfodder and meatshield as long as they can anyway, they don’t need to convince those.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 14:22 utc | 51
https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/224038
Mykhailo Drapatiy, who was appointed to the position in January 25 , has resigned from the post of Commander-in-Chief of the Ukrainian Ground Forces.
The reason is said to be today’s Iskander strike on the VS-47s at the 239th training ground.
Was there a blow? They seem to be talking about it in too much detail, but there is still no footage from the drone.
https://t.me/The_Wrong_Side/23999
The OK footage shows a morning strike by an Iskander OTRK on a tent camp of the 158th separate mechanized brigade and the 33rd separate mechanized brigade of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at the Novomoskovsk training ground near the settlement of Gvardeyskoye in the Dnepropetrovsk region.
According to information from a 🥷🏻 source, preliminary:
– 5 tents with personnel were destroyed (enemy losses amounted to at least 75 people);
– A fire broke out in a tent where ammunition was stored.
The Ukrainian Armed Forces claim that no formations or mass gatherings of personnel were held. After the air raid siren was sounded, most personnel were in shelters.
Also, after the attack on the training ground, the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine M. Drapaty resigned.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 14:23 utc | 52
the damage caused by drones, if they have not caused the death of civilians, is just a useless provocation for the use and consumption of propaganda, clearly orchestrated by those who manage the satellites, what is more serious is the sabotage of the railways that have caused the death of women, men and children in addition to the wounding of many,
in a war this is what happens, and it happens especially when the head in command is a representative of the fifth column who wants the conflict to remain in the pen near his chicken coop, he cannot interrupt the lucrative business with his Western friends/enemies.
then, the well-known corruption and laxity of the Russian army does the rest
Posted by: Cagliostro | Jun 1 2025 14:23 utc | 53
All the nuclear powers are moving away from strategic bombers and have been for decades. This attack is modeled after the war gaming scenarios that drove that decision. Distributed resources are more robust in many possible first-strike scenarios.
Posted by: a stone | Jun 1 2025 14:25 utc | 54
According to all of the people who have visited Russia lately.. From the Duran and Judge Napolitano guests and who have talked directly with with those in important roles in Russian society.
Have said they are sick and tired of the go slow approach. That the mood in Russia is changing. They want more decisive action.
Well the ball is now firmly in Putin’s hands.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 1 2025 14:26 utc | 55
Also, after the attack on the training ground, the commander of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine M. Drapaty resigned.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 14:23 utc | 79
From his position he sees the writing on the wall better than anyone else.
Well the ball is now firmly in Putin’s hands.
Posted by: Sun Of Alabama | Jun 1 2025 14:26 utc | 82
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Stop posting.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 1 2025 14:29 utc | 57
How serious is Operation Spiderweb? What Scott Ritter thinks:
Operation Spiderweb, the largescale assault on critical Russian military infrastructure directly related to Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrence by unmanned drones, has demonstrably crossed Russia’s red lines when it comes to triggering a nuclear retaliation and/or pre-emptive nuclear strike to preclude follow-on attacks. The Ukrainian SBU, under the personal direction of its chief, Vasyl Malyuk, has taken responsibility for the attack.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 1 2025 14:40 utc | 58
The biggest fuss the Ukrainians are creating with such senseless actions…is in forums like this.
Even in the Western media, there’s barely a word about it…” “Train crashes, accidents…at least that’s what the German media say, and the alleged attack on airplanes hasn’t even been mentioned yet.
But even if they did, the average Western wage earner hears it, shakes their head, and forgets about it.
Here in bars like this, people talk heatedly, insult each other, are Putin sympathizers or Red Army objectors, BUT ALL of them are scoundrels under whose leadership the war would have ended long ago, without a nuclear strike, of course…just with the knowledge they’ve absorbed from Google and the like.
Have you ever listened to yourself…?
You’d kick every professor out of the university if they behaved the way some of you do here.
If Putin were to explain himself here, you’d find an analyst who knows the opposite for sure.
What does the saying “God, let it rain brains” say, and dispense wisdom with spoons?
Posted by: Leipziger | Jun 1 2025 14:48 utc | 59
Many years before the SMO commenced, something like a Cold Peace existed between the U.S.-led NATO and Russia. For instance, the economic sanctions imposed after the Magnitzsky Act of 2012 —including all the sanctions Obamas slapped on Russia after Crimea’s referendum in 2014—-were actually milder though ever-sharpening dagger points of The Directive.
Recall that The Directive mandates crushing Russia, regime-changing Russia and dismembering Russia.
Although a Cold Peace was in force and western businesses were still operating in Russia and *cheap Russian gas* was still flowing through the original NordStream pipeline to Germany, the dagger-points of The Directive were never static, but always poking/jabbing—-ever escalating their ability to pressure Russia, to thwart Russia, to contain Russia.
The neocon coterie in the U.S.-led NATO were promised a hot war w/ Russia, should Rodham win the election in 2016.
When Rodham lost to DJT, a new front opened: the political assassination of the new president w/ Russiagate.
Fast forward: the *provoked* SMO of 2022 delivered to the neocon coterie of NATO the much-anticipated opportunity to crush Russia, regime-change Russia and dismember Russia.
Except Russia defeated NATO and its proxy on the battlefield.
So a new strategy was necessary in order bring The Directive to fruition.
Thus the tactics we’re witnessing now.
NATO neocons can hide their terroristic acts behind the *fact* of an active hot war in Ukraine, because after all “Ukraine has a right to defend itself.”
The existence of the war is the pretext for a kind of terrorism that permits NATO neocons to carry out The Directive.
We have gone from pinprick economic sanctions in 2012 (Magnitzky Act) to the sabotage of passenger trains in 2025.
It’s like going from 0-90 in 15 seconds.
Posted by: steel_porcupine | Jun 1 2025 14:48 utc | 60
How serious is Operation Spiderweb? What Scott Ritter thinks:
Posted by: Aleph_Null | Jun 1 2025 14:40 utc | 86
Can gauge the seriousness of the attack by watching whether Russia pulls out of the peace talks or not.
Ukrainians have striked Northern fleet today. No visual confirmation of any hits, so far, but… They destroyed Black sea fleet, and now, they’re clearly planning to destroy the Northern Fleet. Right now, as we’re speaking, they’re striking nuclear aviation. So what’s next? The nuclear triad if Russia is now put to a question whether it even works or not. Because if not – bad news for Russia.
Posted by: denysko | Jun 1 2025 14:52 utc | 62
🇷🇺🇺🇦🇹🇷 A meeting of the delegations of Russia and Ukraine is planned for Monday at the Ciragan Palace in Istanbul at 13:00 Moscow time, a source in the Turkish Foreign Ministry told RIA Novosti.
❓I wonder what they will discuss
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/154315
🇷🇺 A seven-year-old boy, whose mother died as a result of a terrorist attack in the Bryansk region, was taken to the Roshal Moscow Clinic.
He has a traumatic brain injury and a closed shoulder fracture. The child arrived at the hospital accompanied by his father. Earlier, sanaviation brought the boy’s five-month-old brother there.
Their mother was a doctor and worked in a children’s hospice.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/154319
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 14:53 utc | 63
Tonight, or tomorrow, Russia will unleash a spectacular wound upon the fools. Something very, very consequential is imminent.
Posted by: Robert Hope | Jun 1 2025 14:54 utc | 64
Gee I wonder why all these strategic bombers are no longer made?
Posted by: a stone | Jun 1 2025 14:55 utc | 65
This is just such a weird situation, the Russian officials are truely asleep on the wheel, dozen of strategic bombers on an airfield with no electronic jamming at all, just a couple of thousants of these would have saved 10 billion worth of equipment. No hangers, no EW, no personel to try and shoot the drones down, nothing at all, only civilians and shit.
Posted by: tntkrolw | Jun 1 2025 14:55 utc | 66
Ukraine gave Trump admin advance notice of attack on Russia — Axios citing Ukrainian official
https://t.me/rtnews/97600
May be fake message. Ukraine is desperate to sabotage meeting in Istanbul and draw in the US.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 14:56 utc | 67
This latest attack on the airfields and strategic bombers is huge.
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Jun 1 2025 14:55 utc | 97
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Look! A squirrel!
Posted by: too scents | Jun 1 2025 14:58 utc | 68
How To Negotiate Ceasefire When You Haven’t Destroyed The Enemy’s Capability To Escalate – Indian War Lessons For the Kremlin. [Includes Gunners Shot Podcast]
https://x.com/bears_with/status/1929167182866288974
‘A very interesting discussion between Dr John Helmer of Dances with Bears, Brig Arun Sahgal (ret.), and Lt Gen PR Shankar on how escalatory control and ceasefire dynamics have played out in the Russia-Ukraine war vis a vis Op Sindoor. The differences are many but there are lessons which can be learned from both.’
“The Indian GenStaff have learned the lessons which answer the Rus question – no ceasefire is possible to negotiate at the present stage…”
Posted by: JohnGilberts | Jun 1 2025 15:00 utc | 69
Look! A squirrel!
Posted by: too scents | Jun 1 2025 14:58 utc | 100
Not my words, perhaps you’ve missed me quoting the post by Oui who was quoting Bored.
Now if you want to have a good laugh:
Ukrainian conditions for peace at Istanbul meeting according to Reutres article:
▪️Complete ceasefire for 30 days
▪️Prisoner exchange “all for all”
▪️Meeting between Zelensky and Putin
▪️No restrictions for the Armed Forces of Ukraine
▪️Lack of international recognition of new Russian territories
▪️Payment of reparations by Russia
Posted by: 5thcolumn | Jun 1 2025 15:02 utc | 70
Beatrice@29…..have to disagree from a military pov about the sinking of the Moskov, a Russian Fleet flag ship is now a tourist attraction. That, if you have been following the SMO since the gitgo, was the turning point, when the Brits sunk the Moskov Ukie has been emboldened to sacrifice and escalate for Queen, King and the glory of the EU Colonies ever since.
Cheers M
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 1 2025 15:04 utc | 71
“Operation Spiderweb, the largescale assault on critical Russian military infrastructure directly related to Russia’s strategic nuclear deterrence by unmanned drones, has demonstrably crossed Russia’s red lines when it comes to triggering a nuclear retaliation and/or pre-emptive nuclear strike to preclude follow-on attacks. The Ukrainian SBU, under the personal direction of its chief, Vasyl Malyuk, has taken responsibility for the attack.”
Bombers got NOTHING to do with nuclear deterrenec since decades. While they got long range, they in the end are FAR too slow, even the super fast Black Swan and the missiles they can carry can have a good range but what is this in comparison to ICBMs? Nothing.
This is a provocation done by a coward (NATO) and Russia know this.
” They destroyed Black sea fleet.”
No, they did not. They pretty much did not even damage a single one of the actual main threat warships, which fire all these missiles. This again was a lot of nothing when it comes to actual strategically impact. And again this was all NATO, hiding behind their meatshield and it mainly worked, because Russia is so calm and chill.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 15:06 utc | 72
Meeting between Zelensky and Putin
The coke head is desperate for legitimacy. He thinks only Putin can provide it.
There is no chance he will get any.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 15:06 utc | 73
“.have to disagree from a military pov about the sinking of the Moskov, a Russian Fleet flag ship is now a tourist attraction. That, if you have been following the SMO since the gitgo, was the turning point, when the Brits sunk the Moskov Ukie has been emboldened to sacrifice and escalate for Queen, King and the glory of the EU Colonies ever since.”
So all those missile barrages fired from the Black Sea Fleet up to current imes were fired from “tourist attractions”.
Well, call it what you want, reality does not care at the end for PR words.
Posted by: Beatrice | Jun 1 2025 15:09 utc | 75
posted on previous thread
I imagine there’ll be a lot of stable door shutting.
https://t.me/mash/64538
“Personnel from the Irkutsk region-local heroes climbed the truck, from which the UAV flew out, and try to throw stones flying up.”
Assuming this isn’t a Ukrainian setup video, what do you do when a 30-foot trailer is launching drones? Big strong nets aren’t just lying around, and neither are grenades. Given the explosive payload, these are brave guys. And if the reports are anywhere near true, it’s a feat of arms.
I read somewhere that one of the truck drivers had been killed, if so seems highly counterproductive. You need them alive. Drivers surely had to be involved to take the roof off. Not like the Kerch bridge where the driver may have been an innocent patsy.
I might have guessed SB or his clone would have risen from the grave here.
Still, let’s wait and see the Russian response.
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 15:12 utc | 76
If the President of the USA has not signed off on these attacks, then Trump has lost control of the military and/or the allies.
Posted by: Passerby | Jun 1 2025 15:12 utc | 77
clearly an huge embarrassment for the Russian government, the “Ukrainians” have been launching drones from trucks for a while now so they should have moved the high value bomber jets into harden hangers long before now. The loss of these bombers is a significant loss of air to ground missile platforms for targeting Ukraine and some nuclear deterrence within Europe, However, it appears that people are forgetting that Russia has a vast number mobile, ground-based ICBM and intermediate missile launcher vehicles, so this is not going to significantly impact Russia’s ability to target Europe. More important is how Russia will respond to these provocations, recently both China and India indicated their support for Russia and implied that the US was responsible for this conflict (China went even further and bluntly stated it as fact). So I think the worm has finally turned and Russia now has been given permission to end the war however they feel and the US probably planned this as a last ditch effort to try to force the Russians to give them a ceasefire. like everything the US does, it will fail.
The Russians will probably still attend the peace talks but only after launch a large scale attack on Kiev, they might use the Oreshnik, but I’m not sure there are any harden targets in Kiev that are worth the use of a Oreshnik, so probably we’ll see a bombardment of 500 or so drones and hypersonic missiles aimed at government and military offices. If an Oreshnik is used, it will be used against a high value target (like a major command center or troop training location).
Posted by: Kadath | Jun 1 2025 15:17 utc | 78
I’m seeing reports that the aircraft losses are much smaller than 40.
40 is a great propaganda number because with an audacious attack, people will believe and inflate the number naturally.
The front lines are collapsing. This event, like Bucha, like the Moskva, like Kursk, like Darya Dugina, changes nothing.
If anything, these tactic increase Russian esprit de corps and morale. Enlistment keeps increasing.
Posted by: LoveDonbass | Jun 1 2025 14:18 utc | 73
You forgot Crocus.
Posted by: Stark | Jun 1 2025 15:19 utc | 79
t.me/llordofwar/455035
One of the trucks with enemy drones burned down before reaching the airfield in the Amur region. The car burned down near the village of Seryshevo, where the Ukrainka airbase is located. In video #2, a man enters a container identical to the others, and an explosion occurs. They report that he died.
Mishap in setting up, or Russian hero killed by booby trap?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 15:19 utc | 80
https://t.me/warhistoryalconafter/224040
At the moment, attacks have only been confirmed on the Olenya airbase in the Murmansk region and the Belaya airbase in the Irkutsk region.
Considering that the news had already died down, there were no other attacks, or they were repelled.
Based on the published videos, it can be assumed that up to 10 aircraft were lost – up to four Tu-95s, one An-12 cargo plane and up to five Tu-22M3s.
The Ukrainians really lied about “Aircraft 41”.
It didn’t make it any easier, though.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 14:20 utc | 74
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People need to be careful about the word “lost” the devices involved were small and damaged isn’t the as destroyed.
The planes involved are fairly rugged designs after all.
Posted by: Urban Fox | Jun 1 2025 15:28 utc | 81
Out of attacks on 5 airfields, only 2 had success. Both according to published banderite objective control and Russian MOD.
NATO track record continues to be objectively shit. The only thing they’re good at is plain terrorism against civilians.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 15:29 utc | 82
Not even Tass reports on this “drone attack and launch from a truck!”
Well, maybe that’s not exactly what they want?
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My opinion:
Such a strategic airfield is 99.9% protected not only by conventional air defense but also by electronic means…if the attackers had manually guided these drones to their target (fiber optics, etc.), however…GPS would fail in any case…if all possible safeguards weren’t in place, it would be worthy of a firing squad. And the Russians are pretty merciless, even at the very top, if such a mistake occurred.
In 1986, we couldn’t enter the airspace within a radius of about 50 km by helicopter…without permission, and I was there four times.
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 1 2025 15:32 utc | 83
@ Urban Fox | Jun 1 2025 15:28 utc | 116
“Losses” is a common international military term separated from anyone’s subjective feelings.
Posted by: boneless | Jun 1 2025 15:34 utc | 84
@117,
Yes, it seems that the current data suggests only 8 planes damaged/destroyed. According to some TG channels, UKR GUR expected these planes to be fully loaded with missiles which would have destroyed the planes entirely and possible the entire airfield. From the videos from their side, I’m not sure if some of those planes were completely destroyed or what amount of damage was on all of them.
Nevertheless, It’s still very bad (no point in sugarcoating it) but indeed, the damage could’ve been much more extensive if those other 3 airfields would’ve also been hit.
Posted by: JamesBond | Jun 1 2025 15:36 utc | 85
Retract Tass is reporting it right now!
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TASS
TASS
❗️Due to terrorist attacks, several aircraft caught fire at military airfields in the Murmansk and Irkutsk regions. The fires have been extinguished, the Russian Defense Ministry announced.
❗️The key points from the Russian Defense Ministry’s statements:
▪️Today, Kyiv carried out a terrorist attack using FPV drones on airfields in the Murmansk, Irkutsk, Ivanovo, Ryazan, and Amur regions.
▪️There were no casualties among military personnel or civilians in the terrorist attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on airfields.
▪️Attacks on military airfields in the Ivanovo, Ryazan, and Amur regions were repelled;
▪️Some participants in the terrorist attacks on military airfields were detained.
▪️Fires following attacks on military airfields were extinguished;
▪️Due to terrorist attacks, several aircraft caught fire at military airfields in the Murmansk and Irkutsk regions.
Now, they won’t tell us everything about what’s true and what’s not…why should they?
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 1 2025 15:37 utc | 86
Oui,
Lindsey Graham is from South Carolina a southern US state that started its civil war tried to nullify tariffs and is subject to be described as “too big to be an asylum, too small to be a country “.
As tooBloomenthal, another democrat progressive for empire.
Posted by: paddy | Jun 1 2025 15:43 utc | 87
Ukraine already announced that all participants of this ingenious operation are back in Ukraine.
Whoever Russia detained (if any) are probably their own civilians.
Posted by: A mexicanum | Jun 1 2025 15:47 utc | 88
Mishap in setting up, or Russian hero killed by booby trap?
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 15:19 utc | 114
The truck is already burning and he decided to enter the cargo area?
Posted by: NoName | Jun 1 2025 15:48 utc | 89
There were probably more containers like this, see pictures.
https://t.me/dva_majors/72481?single
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https://t.me/dva_majors/72480?single
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 1 2025 15:48 utc | 90
My prediction that Russia will take Odessa at the end of this war is close to coming true. Because of this attack, Ukraine just lost more territory.
Posted by: Georgie | Jun 1 2025 15:49 utc | 91
Ukraine lied about 41 destroyed aircraft – Their channels and media reported that.
It can be said that 4 T – 95 planes, one transport plane and up to 5 Tu – 22m planes were hit.
It’s not pleasant, but it is what it is.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/129153
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 15:49 utc | 92
@Georgie | Jun 1 2025 15:49 utc | 126
The conditions for surrender will be tougher.
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 15:50 utc | 93
One need not be a nuclear scientist to see the near future …
Always concluded NATO, U.S. consecutive administrations Clinton-Bush-Obama-Biden goal was to leave behind a terror state …
How reunification of Europe has led to disaster … century old grievances and war mongering propaganda
NATO Summit of Bucharest 2008 was a declaration of war on Russia
Primed for Peace: Europe after the Cold War | By Stephen Van – 1991 |
Europe After the Cold War I since the Berlin Wall and the communist regimes of Eastern Europe came crashing down in the revolutions of 1989.
The euphoria first evoked by these events has been replaced by a more sober contemplation of the realities and challengesof the new Europe. For all its flaws, the postwar order that divided Europe into two rival blocs kept the peace for 45 years, a new European record.
❗️🇷🇺 🇷🇺 The official statement of the Russian Ministry of Defense:
▪️Today, Kiev committed a terrorist attack with FPV drones against airfields in the Murmansk, Irkutsk, Ivanovo, Ryazan and Amur regions;
▪️There were no casualties among military personnel and civilian personnel in terrorist attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces against airfields;
▪️Attacks on military airfields in the Ivanovo, Ryazan and Amur regions were repelled;
▪️Some participants in terrorist attacks against military airfields were detained;
▪️́Fires after attacks on military airfields have been extinguished;
▪️A fire in several aircraft occurred at military airfields in the Murmansk and Irkutsk regions due to terrorist attacks.
https://t.me/ZandVchannel/154324
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 15:54 utc | 95
Some of the Ukr news turned out to be fantasies or highly exaggerated, at least at this moment it appears to be so. I expect the propaganda used the same formula they use for their daily powerpoint presentation of intercepted drones and missiles.
But when Nato published last week satellite photos of a base filled with planes and that base is attacked but has no defenses, doesn’t it smell like an inside job? It’s not the first time nuclear assets were hit and I’m sure it won’t be the last time even if Russia completely surrenders tomorrow in Turkey.
“Ukrainian troops attack industrial area in LPR’s Krasnodon with Storm Shadow missiles ” ( tass.com/emergencies/1966655 )
Posted by: rk | Jun 1 2025 15:54 utc | 96
Posted by: A mexicanum | Jun 1 2025 15:47 utc | 123
“Ukraine already announced that all participants of this ingenious operation are back in Ukraine. Whoever Russia detained (if any) are probably their own civilians.”
I’m sure Ukraine would never tell lies about something like that 😉
Posted by: YetAnotherAnon | Jun 1 2025 15:55 utc | 97
Trump admin DISTANCES itself from Ukraine
Says ‘was NOT aware’ of Zelensky’s TERROR attack on Russia — CBS
Posted by: Norwegian | Jun 1 2025 16:01 utc | 98
Well, it’s doubtful that the Kremlin is even taking Ukraine seriously anymore, especially after TODAY…
Because there will be a counterattack, since all of Russia is now demanding the use of aircraft, but especially after the railway attacks, meaning civilians…
Putin can no longer afford to show consideration for Ukrainian civilians…
Strangely, it was reported on Russian channels on Saturday that Russia is assembling over 60 heavy bombers to launch a major attack following the American example…to hit specific targets in Ukraine with workshops and supply lines from the West, that was the announcement or justification…as always, there’s no guarantee of truth…
But it’s strange that the attack on the aircraft was carried out shortly after the leaked report, probably…in the hope that the bombers were already fully loaded with rockets, bombs, etc.?
It would at least explain it.
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Whether the fairy tale written by Ukraine will even be read out in Istanbul is doubtful.
See attachment.
Start:
Reuters publishes the full text of the document that Ukraine will bring to Istanbul tomorrow.
I. Key Principles of the Agreement and the Negotiation Process
• A complete and unconditional ceasefire in the air, on land, and at sea as a necessary background and prerequisite for peace negotiations.
• Confidence-building measures – resolving humanitarian problems: unconditional return of all deported and illegally displaced persons, including Ukrainian children. Exchange of all prisoners (according to the “all for all” principle). Release of all civilian hostages by Russia.
• Prevention of a recurrence of aggression: The goal of the negotiations is to restore a lasting basis for peace and security and to ensure the prevention of renewed aggression.
• Security guarantees and involvement of the international community: Ukraine must receive reliable security guarantees. The parties will invite the international community to participate in the negotiations and provide guarantees to ensure the implementation of the agreements.
• Sovereignty: Ukraine will not be forced into neutrality. It can become part of the Euro-Atlantic community and work toward EU membership. Ukraine’s membership in NATO depends on consensus within the North Atlantic Alliance. No restrictions may be imposed on the number, deployment, or other parameters of Ukraine’s armed forces or on the deployment of troops of friendly foreign states on Ukrainian territory.
• Territorial issues: The territorial gains made by Russia since February 2014 are not recognized by the international community. The line of contact is the starting point for negotiations. Territorial issues will only be discussed after a complete and unconditional ceasefire.
• Sanctions: Some sanctions against Russia could be lifted, but only gradually and in stages, with a mechanism for reinstating sanctions if necessary (snapback). Frozen Russian state assets will be used for restoration or remain frozen until reparations are paid.
• Implementation: Agree on a clear, balanced, and actionable roadmap to implement and ensure compliance with the agreements.
II. The next step is to agree on a ceasefire regime and an agenda for the meeting of heads of state and government.
• After the meeting in Istanbul, the parties will continue negotiations, focusing on: (1) a complete and unconditional ceasefire – mechanisms and monitoring; (2) confidence-building measures; (3) preparing and agreeing on the agenda and structure of the negotiations between the future heads of state and government on key issues.
• Negotiations will be conducted with the participation of the US and Europe.
III. Ceasefire
• A complete and unconditional ceasefire in the air, on land, and at sea for at least 30 days (with the possibility of extension every 30 days) as a necessary background and prerequisite for peace negotiations.
• Monitoring of the ceasefire – led by the US and supported by third countries.
IV. Confidence-Building Measures
• Following the successful exchange of prisoners of war following the talks in Istanbul, the parties continue the process of exchanging all prisoners of war (according to the “all for all” principle).
• Agreement on the unconditional return of all deported and displaced Ukrainian children by the Russian Federation and on the release of all civilian prisoners
by Russia. These measures should apply to all categories of persons listed in the list starting in February 2014.
V. Meeting of Heads of State and Government
• The heads of state and government of Ukraine and Russia will meet to agree on the key aspects of a final peace settlement.
• Key points of the peace agreement that the heads of state and government must agree to:
1. Permanent and complete cessation of hostilities: conditions, monitoring, sanctions for violations
2. Security guarantees and non-repetition of aggression
3. Territorial issues
4. Economy, compensation, reconstruction
5. Penalties for violations
6. Conclusion of a final peace agreement
🤡🤡🤡
Posted by: Beobachter II | Jun 1 2025 16:02 utc | 99
It kind of looks like Russia has a bad habit of parking their planes right next to one another during war times. Fortunately, Russia has plenty of missiles to use instead of those big planes, but they were valuable when it came to patrolling the borders, and moving “materials” around. This isn’t the first time they lost planes parked right next to each other.
Posted by: GMC | Jun 1 2025 16:10 utc | 100